Are We Seeing the Effects of Urban Missing Fall Camp?

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NOLABuckeye's picture

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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osu992's picture

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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NOLABuckeye's picture

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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Defiance's picture

 Wise words from an excellent coach and superior human being.

Love UFM, miss me some Senator for sure!!

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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seyekcuB's picture

Only guy that could have an hour presser and say nothing lol

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Silverbull3ts's picture

Say what you want about this man but he got fired for pure bullshit. Let’s no pretend that college football isn’t a business. The kids should be allowed to sell autographs and their property without getting in trouble.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

<sigh>  I'll say it again for the 322nd time.  Tressel was fired for lying to the NCAA.  He signed an affadavit that all coaches are required to sign prior to fall camp that says  I have not, nor am I aware of any NCAA violations having been committed within my program.  He may not have been aware of what he was signing, (Think Radar O'Reilly in MASH...."What am I signing Radar?")  But non the less.  Once it became known that he HAD signed that paper, he was no longer viable as a coach.  Otherwise the University would've been exposed to a "Failure to Control" and thanks to the previous basketball scandal, been exposed to the death penalty.

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fishleehooker's picture

Sigh THe NCAA lies all the time. And the NCAA surely doesn't give the players the info they need.  Crooks they are the NCAA

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

But they aren’t his words...

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Defiance's picture

#QuietTime

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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216ToThe614's picture

Oops. I’m here to turn myself in; take me away to repeat-thread jail, Mods. I deserve my punishment

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
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Defiance's picture

I’m here to turn myself in; take me away to repeat-thread jail

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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NOLABuckeye's picture

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

I've been thinking this all season... I also think it "explains" his apparent disconnect on the sidelines. It's like this isn't his team, because he wasn't there grinding with them at the beginning. 

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The Rill Dill's picture

He’s had since the last play of the Cotton Bowl to get the offense adapted to a passing quarterback’s strengths. 

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Defiance's picture

Thanks for the post 216T614!

I would have to agree that as far as tOSU Buckeyes football squad, 2018 has not been a banner year thus far.

I'd also agree that UFM being away from the program is definitely having an effect on their performance.

I wouldn't use that as an excuse or even go so far as to say I'd call it a reason but it has most definitely affected the teams performance, all nine units!

I also think that the events of the off season and most glaringly during the month of August has been one of the reasons the Buckeyes don't really look like The Ohio State Buckeyes so far this year.

Is there time to correct it, absolutely but I'm not certain you can put things back where they were before the loss @ Purdue.

8-0>7-1 and always will be. I think the Buckeyes are ranked right about where they should be, at 10ish based on their play so far this season but I also think it may right where they need to be if they want to correct the issues and run the tables on the B1G and the CFP.

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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aboynamedtracy's picture

We are seeing the effects of Urban hiring pals as opposed to the most qualified person. We are seeing the effects of Urban playing his guys instead of the best player. And we've seen all of this before, and it's caught up to him.

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The Rill Dill's picture

The best thing about being 7-1, the opportunity to get smashed by an unranked 3-3 team that lost to Eastern Michigan.

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NHBuckeye's picture

This most definitely played a role in what's going on this season.  It's like our team has no identity.  Feels like they are just going through the motions.

Fields of Dreams

 

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BrutusB's picture

That theory would hold more water if this was actually some once in a lifetime thing.  Did he also miss camp before Iowa last year?  Did he miss the bowl practices before Clemson in 2016?

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JTstan16's picture

That & also the effects of a non-mobile QB running the offense. 

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elitesmithie's picture

I hate this argument, I get why people bring it up but they make it seem like no NFL teams, or other CFB teams have been successful running a normal offense that doesn't require your QB to be either Tebow or risk getting killed each year. Schools like Alabama, LSU, Clemson, Wisconsin and other(Stanford) have been successful controlling the game and line of scrimmage in the last ten years without a traditional "mobile" QB. Yea Watson would run some but they were running him 20 plus times a game like we did with JT. Maybe this summer they need to go to Wisconsin and learn how to run block.

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Exactly.  I have always liked the spread option and I was pulling for Burrow bc he could run the option, but this oline can't run block.   Not having an option QB is not the reason the run game is this bad

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

How about it?  These are the same people who credit cardale with Zekes 2014 postseason run.  Can’t have it both ways.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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ChazBuckeye's picture

It's not just Haskins being less mobile than JT. Moreover it's the fact that the big run fake isn't working if you can't run the ball. There's a great amount of truth that the offense seems to try a flair of ROP, when you really can't do that without a running Qb. For instance, Martell. He can properly run a heavy ROP offense. Where this offense looks great throwing with Haskins, they look confused when attempting to run the football.
PPl were tough on Stud....but he's right. That's where the confusion is starting for the offense and running the ball bc of passing so much. That's a large part of OSU's problem running the football. It's not a myth...not sure why PPl think that.
Haskins can't run a RPO offense...hence why he was a pro style coming out of HS. Urban, Day and Wilson should have created a strong running game to help Haskins throw. Not the other way around....

It is time!!!!!

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

A successful running game does NOT require a mobile quarterback. What it does require is an offensive line that is mean and willing to steamroll whoever has the misfortune of lining up across from them. All you have to do is look to the NFL to see this being played out ever single Sunday, there are numerous teams with a less than mobile quarterback that have no problem running the ball.

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longstb's picture

The thing that concerns me most about that game is the Defense appearing to QUIT midway through the Fourth Quarter.  

Getting beat is one thing.  Quitting is completely another.

BL

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JTstan16's picture

We all know the defense has flaws, but the score was only 14-3 at the half. They gave up the routine big plays but we lost this game because the offense waited till the 4th quarter to show up. Simple as that. 

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longstb's picture

When we went down 28-6 with 11 minutes to go the defense shut down.  They gave up two more TD’s on long runs with poor tackling and little effort.  Both 40+ yard runs, one on a short pass. They showed no heart at that point.

BL

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logamaniac's picture

What you saw in the 4th was them go into panic mode realizing they needed to force turnovers to have a shot at pulling out a win.  

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longstb's picture

You might be right there my man. But poor tackling is poor tackling.  These guys looked like they did not want to be out there on the field at that point.

BL

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Hovenaut's picture

Life is hard enough, let alone the weight of a fanbase rests on your shoulders.

Yes.

Axe cancer. 

Hello you have reached the winter of my discontent...leave a message.

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buckeye81's picture

I think what you're seeing, and this is pretty dire, is some players losing faith in their coaching staff. I think they sense futility and it's starting to show. Especially the guys who were around for the Iowa disaster. There is something really wrong in the coach's room. I think there are guys eyeing the exits for career reasons and there may be a sense that UFM is spent. If that takes hold in the attitude of our players, well, Purdue wasn't that good. We still have games against Meechy and Meechy State. UFM looks as miserable as a human being can look on a sideline. Even when he is getting interviewed at games he seems distracted and lacking in confidence. I'm betting this summer took a chunk out of him that can't be put back. He always was wrapped prettty tight.

JTatumCCS

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Based on what?  Some assumptions about what is happening in the locker room that you are privy to?  No?  How the Heck do you know what the players are thinking?  

Better yet, did you ever play competitive football?  Did you really think about the quality of your coaches compared to the other teams in your conference and then feel sorry for yourself?    You are projecting things that you have less than NO concept about.

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buckeye81's picture

Remember, where you once had Kerry Coombs, Chris Ash and Luke Fickell you have Grinch, Schiano (waiting for that HC job) and some guy named Bill Davis. You go to Ohio State as a 4 or 5 star you're thinking "these guys are going to turn me into the next Ryan Shazier, the next Michael Jenkins". You're not thinking, "these guys are going to get me a toehold in the CFL!". 

Fire. Bill. Davis.

JTatumCCS

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KBonay's picture

No, that means we would have started shitty and gotten better when he returned.  That's just not the case. 

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550I Buckeye's picture

More like UM hiring his non-qualified friends...

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Buck up, me hearties.

Anybody remember 2014? Buckeye fans were calling for Tom Herman's head on a pike. TOSU was ranked as low as #22 in late September, and were still #13 when they played Sparty Nov. 8.

I think UFM has this team exactly where it needs to be. Humiliated, hungry, and eager to change the narrative.

Go Bucks. Win November 2018. You can do it.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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lamplighter's picture

OMG - a voice of reason.  Thank you GTH

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elitesmithie's picture

VA Tech was in September and was also the 2nd start of an unplanned start due to Braxtons injury and was also essentially a 1 possession game(late pick 6). This was week 8 and a blow out. Not exactly comparable. 

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TomD's picture

I'd love to share your optimism, but this year feels different, much different than any comparison to 2014.  First, last year's loss at Iowa was completely unexpected, and should have been a wake-up call that something significant needed to change.  Then this year's loss to Purdue, which, I was worried about after the 3rd or 4th game of the season.  Saw it coming and the decline in the teams performance from Penn State to Indiana to Minnesota made me more concerned, not less.

I'll not turn into a pessimist, but the situation feels different now.  Can it be fixed? Sure.  Will it be fixed?  Don't know, but I'd like to be optimistic about it.  At least they have the bye week to try and refashion the situation to begin the improvement process in this team's play.  I suspect, no matter what, that there will be significant changes, most notably in the coaching staff, after the season is completed. To me, the situation is 75-80% coaching and only 20-25% the players.  But that's just my opinion.

"I love football.  I think it is the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose."  WOODY HAYES

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fishleehooker's picture

Just like VTech in 2014. I have never seen so many friends storm out of the house as that one .Even Iowa and Purdue. 

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aledyard's picture

I wish I was as optimistic as you.  To me, this team doesn't resemble the 2014 version at all.  We had a solid O-line and run game and our offense was clicking.  Our defense was stout and had a Bosa anchoring the D-line.  We also had much better assistants in 2014, starting with Herman.  We had Ash and Fickell running the defense and Ed Warinner coaching the O-line.  

I do think this team will bounce back against Nebraska and its 1-6 record, but I think we lose to Michigan and possibly Michigan State.  You are kidding yourself if you think this team has what it takes to win the B1G and make the playoff.  

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

 You are kidding yourself if you think this team has what it takes to win the B1G and make the playoff. 

Playoff? Perhaps unrealistic. Yet winning the B1G and going to a decent post-season bowl game is doable.

Right now, I'd rather light a candle than grope in the dark. If that's kidding myself, then so be it, fellow Buckeye.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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aledyard's picture

I certainly hope you are right.  I would love to see this team turn things around and finish strong.  

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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ChazBuckeye's picture

Yes...but this is week 9. He's been around long enough. It's just stubbornness to wait until after a loss to try a change or tweak something. However, this looks like way more than a tweak is necessary to fix this shit!

It is time!!!!!

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AgriBuck's picture

With the Head Coach as CEO model that seems to be associated with Meyer, his absence shouldn't hurt the team much because the assistant coaches are the ones who have the most contact (and influence) with their units.

This reminded me of this article that was published earlier this year:

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/02/09/nick-saban-scott-cochran-...

What we're seeing is that it is tough to keep good assistant coaches, and that finding quality replacements might be more difficult.

That being said, someone has to be responsible, and the buck stops with Meyer.  If he recommends hiring mediocre assistants, and if they flop, it's on him. 

To me, that makes a good argument for not hiring friends and family.  It's not easy to fire friends and family for incompetence.

Defensive linemen, you move that line of scrimmage from your hand to their feet . . .

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AgriBuck's picture

Why bother what?

Defensive linemen, you move that line of scrimmage from your hand to their feet . . .

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BuckeyeCity's picture

What we are seeing is the aftermath of a fall out between a head coach and the school's administration. Would you be capable of investing yourself emotionally and unconditionally for a institution (or members of it) that threw you under the bus to save its image? That appointed your successor despite you? Aware of your deteriorating health none the less? 

behold the silver bullets

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ohiopanda's picture

If he’s not capable of doing his job, then he shouldn’t have his job. I get he didn’t do much wrong and I don’t blame him for being upset over his punishment, but that ended a month or two ago. Move on, there’s 90+ kids on the team looking up to him and willing to play for him, and so far his attitude has been completely sad/confused and beaten - whether it’s intentional or not. 

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Eph97's picture

Deteriorating health? You make it sound like he's dying. You know who has deteriorating health? That kid with cancer at Purdue. Please, Meyer is getting paid $7.5 million to coach college football. If he just wants to go thru the motions, I hope he hangs it up at the end of the year. 

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stantmann's picture

Yes! You get it, and I've been saying this for weeks! Ryan Day should have never been put in charge. I'm guessing Schiano and Wilson would have been met with resistance from the powers that be, but choosing a guy who was only a QB coach for kaepernick, and bradford each for 1 year hardly qualifies for an interim head coaching position at the biggest university in the US. With his recent head coaching experience, Wilson clearly should have been the guy to lead the bucks through camp.

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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jeroe's picture

There will be many on here who disagree.  The problem with Ohio State is culture.  The culture is, I am leaving the team to prepare for MY CAREER in the NFL!  Weather that means mid-season, before the bowl game, or even if I am not going to be drafted.  And we will get more of that same mentality as that is how we recruit.  We have no leadership on this team, and Bosa is a perfect example of what is wrong with OSU!  You do not see this at Alabama!  These players have the right to make these decisions, but I  am the priority doesn't get it done in team sports!  

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Qb Spy's picture

I think it's a perfect storm of poo. At the beginning of the 'scandal', I recall seeing even coach's wife in potential trouble. When you're accused of something by an authority, it can be intimidating. I assume Urban intends to stay on until retirement. Never the less, the knives were out. I never knew the Buckeyes were so hated. You lose JT Barrett, one of our best players ever. A coach gets fired. The suspension. A lack of clarity at halfback. Bosa goes down. The Big Ten East remains so dangerous. The Boilermakers play us with confidence. I'm sure there's more. All in all, this is still a good season, so far.

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bd2999's picture

There is so much speculation about Urban anymore by some posters.

Anyway, to a point it makes a difference but the position coaches and coordinators are largely in charge of their groups. Meyer would talk to the coordinators about scheme and would look in on each group and give input. Not having him matters but I just do not see it being the end all be all.

The same problems largely existed last year too.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Yes

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Woody trolling the SEC.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I don't think so. Urban Meyer not fixing obvious glaring problems with his team until after they lose (often in embarrassing fashion) has been the theme of the last three years. The scandal and media circus and suspension may have made it worse, but Urban is Urban--he doesn't like making changes until he can't deny they're necessary, and it takes an L to do that. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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