Ohio State's Coordinators Stayed in Columbus on Monday, Instead of Hitting the Road to Recruit, to Work on Improving the Buckeyes' Schemes

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RK84's picture

Its all fun and games until your Dad gets home.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Would have loved for someone to ask him about running the RPO with Haskins at QB and how that’s impacting the run game.

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Yoda888's picture

Or when your AD and university cuts off your left nut sack.  That's exactly what happened to the HC.  his biggest strength, as agreed by many, is recruiting.  Well, the ZS disaster just kinda neutered that.  No surprise then that there's some rumbling of tensions between the HC and the AD.  what do you think most mothers will ask first when they meet the HC going forward?  That's a significant disadvantage against your competitors.

Don't get me wrong, he's responsible.  This is the second nut sack being sawed off.....nepotism and favoritism.  how many mothers want their sons to under the tutelage of a man who plays favorites?  mothers think of the worse scenarios when it comes to their kids.  

Yoda888

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scarletgray's picture

how many nut sacks does the dude have?

JDK

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Butch_Driveshaft's picture

how many nut sacks does the dude have?

This deserves more upvotes

He owes me 260 bucks vacation pay, and he won't fuckin' pay that, so I figured a handful of chips wasn't too much to ask.

 

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Beaver's picture

Why did it take a loss for the coaching staff to realize what we have been seeing since the beginning of the season. Evidently Urban was letting all of them try their little dream schemes and now he is saying get back to the basics. Alabama would be the only team that could compete with us if Urban had done this prior to his suspension ( or maybe the coordinators and coaches suck as bad as we think).

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raki's picture

I don’t know why they realize now, that they have problem, the problem has been there since the Opening game. Giving up big plays, not able to run the ball, the back seven on defense has been bad since game one with no improvements, special team issue. I can go on and on.

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BrutusB's picture

The staff never likes to change until they actually lose.

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Lighteyes's picture

I think it's "...and it worked" excuse. As long as you're succeeding, you can overlook all sorts of major structural deficiencies under the guise of "well, the results are fine". You see the same sort of behavior in businesses all the time.

Things are generally fine, so the staff doesn't take issues quite as seriously. It's not that they completely ignore the concerns, but they use the overall results to talk themselves into it not being too critical. You take some actions to fix issues, but with a little less urgency, a little less focus, a little less willingness to shake things up and try something new.

The problem is that this "results matter and the results say we're fine" style thinking does work well...right up until the point it fails. And when it fails, it tends to fail spectacularly.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

Good points.  The collapse just happens faster in sports, especially football, but issues of successful business organizations will be very similar to management issues in a college football program.  Both are large, hierarchical organizations.  And success covers up in different ways, the glaring weaknesses until the collapse occurs.  Managers can ignore the problems because, as you point out, "well just look at the positive results we keep getting."  Then they blame the worker bees or players who aren't "executing" the strategy.  There's never any true de-briefing and what there is ultimately becomes everyone believing there's and everyone else's bullshit.  You need the collapse of the product line or a blow out loss on the road to force change.  My big question is why does the product line fail once a year for tOSU football?  In the business world, the CEO, regardless of how successful he or she once was, would be given his or her golden parachute.  

I'm not saying I want Urban fired.  I don't.  

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

According to Meyer, “there are some things we do well, such as hire our friends into lucrative positions. There are some things we don’t do well such as properly utilize our elite talent and make first half adjustments”

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AzBuckeye45's picture

BrutusB, you mean, "This staff?"

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Woody Hayes-1968

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TkeBuck's picture

well...they've lost.                                                       ok. so we'll see what happens nov 3. 

klusewski

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Arsenal7's picture

Every coach has an achilles heel, and this is Urban's. He will never fix anything until it's far too late.

- Even ignoring the legal/marital issues, Zach Smith was a horrible coach and Urban kept him around until the situation was untenable.

- The offense under Beck/Warriner was anemic from the start, but he kept them on staff for 2 years until it rotted and festered and turned into the 31-0 embarrassment.

- Urban's health at Florida was a massive issue for just about his whole tenure there, but he waited to change anything until he started having heart palpitations and had to go to the hospital, resulting in him leaving his job.

- Everyone knew the locker room at Florida had issues, but Urban never really fixed those because it didn't stop them from winning.

- This defense, and the linebackers in particular, has been absolutely horrific since the start of last year in the Oklahoma game. They got exposed against Iowa (55 points against one of the least efficient offenses in the country), but Urban did not fix it and still has not fixed it. These issues have been present for years and have not been fixed and that has directly lead to getting beaten by 29 by Purdue.

Urban refuses to learn from his mistakes and it is worrying.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Even before the Okie game last year, the LBs were exposed against Indiana. We just so happened to overpower them and win it in the end. 

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Chewbucca's picture

I think that the staff may need to get their wristbands renewed. I seem to remember something about E+R=O.  Urban needs to take it to heart.  We are seeing either no response, or the wrong response to events across the board.  As a result, the Purdue outcome.

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Trebor40's picture

RED Zone Offense

Running the ball when you NEED to run it

Damn Big Plays

THESE are the points Urban brought up - That first one includes passing by the way and TWO of those are offensive issues (though I firmly believe addressing one will ease the other) 

We constantly harp on the back seven yet we are now being schemed against as much on offense as on defense! 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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buckeyeboy68's picture

We've been down this road before... meetings, changes being made, adjustments, etc.

Wake me up for the Nebraska game & we'll decide then.  

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Texbuckbear's picture

Yes.  I'm still wearing black and it's not because it's a blackout game.

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InfantryBuckeye5150's picture

Just fire Bill Davis and get a real LB coach. 

Well, Columbus wasn't looking for America, my man, but that turned out to be pretty okay for everyone.

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PhillyNut's picture

I am sure there are issues there on an individual improvement level but the linebackers being so close to the line is part of the DC scheme.  Even if Davis thinks it needs to be different if Schiano believes that is where they should be then that is where they will be.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Exactly...that's on Schiano, not Davis. Player development yes...that's on Davis.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Frimmel's picture

Maybe they have the LBs pushed up close because they can't do what would be asked of them further back off the line? But if Coach Davis is saying you're not using my guys to their talents and Coach Schiano is saying "tough cookies..." I'd think there would be some tension there in both cases. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Buckeyes17's picture

Idk.. them staying home and trying to fix it gives me hope. 

"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."

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Hateblue's picture

Absolutely. People doubting this will change anything kill me. To not go out on necessary recruiting trips tells me that Urban has told them things have to change. I’m incredibly optimistic that we will see a better team in two weeks. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Me too.  Look at his overall record.  Look at how the team responded after Iowa last year.  Honestly, I tune out the Chicken Littles.  There are problems and they will be addressed. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Charlotte_Buckeye's picture

I agree.  UFM also realizes he has the most talented team in 4 of 5 power conferences. On paper this team should be a juggernaut; it isn’t. But there’s potential plenty. Now the season takes on a different sense. It’s no longer “don’t lose” but instead “ we must win”. 

Now the only thing that matters to me is making Xichigan our bitchigan....

Christopher Smith

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45has2's picture

If it was fixed after the Iowa game last year why are the same problems obvious this season and the same type of loss incurred?

Censores irrumasti.

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Hateblue's picture

Its a completely different team..you are comparing apples to oranges. This game was way closer than Iowa until 8 minutes left when the defense gave up. When we scored in the 4th, I actually thought we could pull it out. 

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Das Hufeisen's picture

I like his priorities. I mean, who needs 5 star recruits when the schemes on offense and defense produce 1-star results?

AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built

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dwcbuckeye's picture

Dude is the stubbornness coach in America. Rather lose than admit he was wrong. Probably hold a stock like Enron to zero.

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Hateblue's picture

He makes a good point about not being able to adjust much during the season. I coached a year at a community college and trying to make significant changes with 2-3 practices is unrealistic. You can’t overhaul a scheme with that little time because it doesn’t give you enough time to work it and learn it. Then by the third practice and it doesn’t work, you haven’t spent any time on the old stuff that guys are used to. I’m very optimistic with them staying back..they have 10 days to get adjustments to the scheme made. 

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Neilwoodgables's picture

Well to be fair...he is right most of the time so in a common sense realm (which most of live in) he rolls the dice with what got him there....his decision making like 100% of the rest of us do.....every day.

I Hate Michigan.

 

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milhouse4588's picture

Problem is he is meeting with the same coaches who have not made a single change all season.

Show me a confident team against Nebraska and MSU and I'll start to believe this isn't all talk.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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Ohio1111's picture

This meeting is 9 weeks too late 

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GoNutz27's picture

Urban wasn't able to meet with the coaches 9 weeks ago.  His first time having any hands on impact was right after the Oregon State game and as he mentioned, it's tough to change a whole lot of schematics when players only practice 3 days a week during game weeks.  Urban not being around during the fall camp has probably played a bigger impact than anyone is talking much about.

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shiloh's picture

This meeting is 9 weeks too late

Attended a Management Skills seminar in the early '90s and the one thing worth remembering ~ Meetings can be a real waste of time!

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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GIBS_STI's picture

Yea I’d hide too if I got my ass whipped like that. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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CowCat's picture

Something tells me certain coaches will get after school suspension.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Frimmel's picture

Someone asked the other day if there was a problem of competing philosophies or too many philosophies or something on those lines. I'd think that would very much be a source of just day-to-day working with someone sorts of things he'd like to pass it off as. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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CSnowRun25's picture

You’re right Frimmel. I mentioned that Davis is a 3-4 defensive scheme believer (he helped to reinvigorate that scheme in the NFL in the early 2000’s, and that was his scheme with every NFL stop) and Schiano is a 4-3 guy. Differing philosophies tend to create “tension”

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KINGBUCKEYE419's picture

That might explain why the LB's are so close to the line O.S. I think in a 3-4 defense linebacker have dual roles as linebackers and D Linemen because there are fewer down lineman the 4th guy can come from anywhere. I'm probably wrong but if so it kind of makes sense why they play so close to the line.

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29Bucks's picture

On both sides of the ball we have a ton of talented athletes on the roster.  I think we are often putting them in places where they cannot use their athleticism to the fullest advantage.   On offense, I'd love to see Dobbins in as an H back, along with Teague and Weber in the back field. Let's try and run the ball from something other than a single back set.  With Mack out, I think Dobbins would be a great possession receiver.  Here''s hoping there are positive changes coming for the Nebraska game and the others that remain on the schedule.

I also think there's a hangover effect from the whole Zach Smith issue.  Urban looks anything but confident on the sidelines. 

The recruiting situation is way off from that of past several years.  Nothing a couple good "booms" wouldn't fix, but we need some momentum in next year's class and soon.  

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Jay_sizzle's picture

Im happy your not a coach ..... cause this aint it bro

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Berg2004's picture

Same crap, different day.  

I'm going to try that excuse at work the next time my boss asks me why I didn't change to improve something: "Well, boss, I haven't had my bye week yet, so I just keep doing the same thing even though it's wrong."

I see a promotion in my future...

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NHBuckeye's picture

a-tension coaches, fix the schemes.  

Signed, everyone.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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Tulsinator's picture

We are talking about scheme and development. What position groups would we say have played up to expectations, or close to, at this point of the season?

QB, WR, and for most part Dline as injuries have hampered that unit. Day has been coaching Haskins. Hartline has been what most would say an obvious improvement over Zach Smith. Larry Johnson needs no introduction.

Oline, LB, and Safeties have Ben glaring spots of weakness, with CB playing average to above average. We lost Combs, Fickel, and Warriner who were all excellent developers of talent. We also lost Chris Ash who brought an excellent scheme for said talent.

Safe to say the losses of those coaches have hurt us as much as the loss of some players.

UNDISPUTED

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tcm1968's picture

For whatever reason ( health issues, mental health, stress, hangover from the suspension) Urban has decided to put his footprint on everything this season and it's a mess. He's the one dictating that Dobbins and Weber switch every other series which is just foolish on so many different levels. Urban is the one calling the red zone plays and it's been a total train wreck. It got so bad at Purdue it sure seemed like he had no idea what players were on the field. Urban's the one who won't let the QB under center for a simple QB sneak. Urban's the one who decided to shake up the offensive line. Urban's the one who determines the roster and which Freshman can see the field and with all the struggles on defense won't give the coaches access to some Freshman. Etc Etc Etc..

Herbie called him "anguished" and "erratic".. others have said he doesn't seem himself. Others has speculated maybe there's a health issue that for different reasons has led him to put a stranglehold on every aspect of the team..

Bottom line imo there's something off with our head coach and it's affecting the whole team. I'm worried about him.

Go Bucks!

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Yeah, August is what happened. Not too many people would fare too well after enduring pure character assassination.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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cledaybuck's picture

How do you know this? Because it seems he is less involved this year from my perspective.

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tcm1968's picture

Because both things can't be right. For example the running back by committee is not working. If it's not working you fix it. They aren't the same runner and we keep pretending like it's just plug and play without any regard for how tough that can be on an offensive line. Not to mention it's just human nature. Some game days one guys just going to be in a better mindset, have a better groove and basically be demanding the rock. So if we aren't deviating from that every other series you think that's Alford? or Day? Nope, that's Urban. That's his call. That's just really tough on a team and a running back. No matter how much you grind this drive you are on the bench the next drive.. He's trying to keep everyone happy to the detriment to the team.

Same thing with the defensive scheme. The ONLY way you start and end with a bad scheme at Purdue is if it's the head coaches decision. Otherwise when it wasn't working ( if Urban was less involved as you suggested ) he would have fixed it.. right? it never got fixed or changed.. 

You want friction between coaches... there it is.. When the whole world is saying you have to put your best defensive player on Moore and you don't do it that's on the head coach... period.. It's either Urban's fault for not fixing it or Urban's fault for not allowing Schiano to fix it or even start with it...

Urban has always called the red zone plays and controlled which players can and can't be used from the Freshman class. That hasn't changed.. What has changed is JT isn't under center. That becomes totally obvious in the red zone. Last year you get in the red zone and Urban calls a run to the right and they break the huddle and JT surveys the line and says/// "that's not working" and tucks and runs around the end. This year whatever Urban calls is being run. There's no on the field general who can pick and choose what running play is going to work or not work based on the pre-snap scheme...  there was a play in the redzone where we had them off balance. The call into the huddle was a pitch to the wide side to Dobbins. Purdue got into a bad scheme and only had 5 guys in the box. We had a tight end in there as well. JT would have called off the pitch to dobbins and blasted it up the middle because he knew we had numbers.... Haskins just can't do that right now. So we pitched out to where they actually had the field covered for no gain.. Heck it got so bad in the redzone Urban seemed to forget he was calling plays that had Hill and Mack ( before he got injured) on the sideline... it was just a total mess... several folks have said things like chaos.. lots of eye rolling... 

Go Bucks!

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BuckinRRtexas's picture

I'm sorry but did you have a headset on and listening to all the calls?  Maybe you shouldn't be sharing the inner workings "if" you are inclined.  Being on a sideline of any level of sport and seeing your post alarms me.  I could be way off base but that is how I read your post.

Darkness!

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Trebor40's picture

You know this to be a factual account of the play calling? If so we are in desperate trouble and I hope Urban sits down and is evaluated, because you are talking about one of the premier coaches in all of football history being unable to effectively communicate plays for his team during the 6th game he has been back one the sidelines and the 8th game since his return to coaching on some level! 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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flabucknut1's picture

His body language and his facial expressions have been strange since he has returned from his suspension! Something is awry and I do not think that what ever it is is good for him or the team and everyone who follows this team religiously. Strange things have happened since his return to the team full time. He just seems like he’s confused. His reaction to everything is like he is not seeing what’s in front of him. IMHO. 

JR

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

I've been saying it all year, run a zone until they can prove they can handle man to man. Why is this so hard? There's absolutely nothing wrong with a good zone defense, the problem is that egos must be checked. All these kids want to do is jaw jack and prove to NFL scouts they're the next big thing. Well, there's a time and a place for that, and it ain't now. As for the running game, I have absolutely no fucking idea what's going on there. I don't know if we're still zone blocking or whatever, but good Lord. With the size of our line, we could line up in the I formation every down for the first half and grind the opposing defensed into oblivion, and then throw the ball. I don't know. I've literally never seen a worse run game situation where you have two 1,000 yard rushers/NFL talent RB's, and you can't move the ball on the ground. God help us if DH ever attempts 73 mother fucking pass attempts ever. Woody is spinning in his grave! 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Bucks19's picture

Explain the zone scheme you are suggesting. 

Line up and shove it down their throat? Have you not been watching our OL blocking?

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Why not mix it up? Why does the defense have to be a constant?

Every down it seemed like the LBs were crowding the LOS and we were blitzing SO MUCH!

What happened to running a traditional 4-3 and letting your athletes beat theirs?

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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The Rill Dill's picture

And they keep running the same old tired ass loop stunt. So predictable/slow.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I just feel like with that level of talent, you can't let things get stagnant. You have to scheme for who you're playing, even with 5* talent you have to put them in the right places and not just rely on their athleticism.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Texbuckbear's picture

Suspended for three weeks.  For being a top college coach, I would have thought he'd have had a pretty darn good scheme for the season when came back.  I mean, just how long can you watch The View and Kathie Lee and Hoda?

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Bukirob's picture

He was suspended for all of fall camp and then an additional 3 games.  Total suspension was more like 8 weeks, not 3 

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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Huskerbuck's picture

Urban said "obviously, there are some things that need to be corrected."  Got that right. Glad he finally sees it. They have needed correction since they first appeared in game one. 

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JMeadows's picture

Scheme changes are surely more difficult than they seem, but when they involve moving linebackers three yards back to a place where they can see or having your quarterback move, period, and not just stick within a foot or two of where he receives the snap or going with a wildcat under center or Martell under center on 3rd or 4th and one for a sneak or covering a zone in the defensive secondary instead of trying to figure out if your man is for real or a decoy, isn't this the kind of fundamental football these guys have been playing since sixth grade?  Here's the alternative, take a chance on something or a few somethings that may be a little clumsy at first or stick with something that you know isn't working.  I can't figure out if this is about fixing the problems or protecting the egos of the coaches who created them.

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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The Rill Dill's picture

I’ll go with the ego answer.

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OnPoint's picture

Maybe I setting myself up for disappointment, but I have a feeling we will run for 200+ yards against Nebraska.

Nut on top

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OnPoint's picture

Yes, it did happen :)

Nut on top

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Hovenaut's picture

I'M IN, COACH.

Let's work the problem now, in season, and assess what (who) needs to be in the offseason.

Go Buckeyes.

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Buckeye30's picture

I think keeping the coaches at home shows the staff has finally awakened. Change the defensive scheme and make personnel changes at LB and DB. I see the former before the latter-the same guys who are backups at best will be starting again in 2 weeks. The coaches will never admit they have been playing the wrong guys all year long. If Werner and Borland grade out as Champions again I will lose my mind!!

Buckeye30

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seyekcuB's picture

The team was better with Coach Day.

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buckeyepastor's picture

I agree with Meyer that dramatic changes mid-season with limited practice time is unrealistic.  But we're not talking about a defense needing to go from a 4-3 to a 3-4, a switching from man-press coverage to all zone.  We're talking about moving the defensive line to absorb the blockers on run plays and moving the LBs away from the line to at least give them a better chance.   We're talking about taking extra time with the LBs and safeties to study and find where the ball is going on a given play, and to recognize formations and watch for guys releasing over the middle and knowing the proper depth.  I know there's a lot these kids have to think about, but dropping to proper coverage depth and recognizing receivers coming into your area is not difficult.  

Backing them off the line will help, though given that Schiano may be stubborn and wrong but isn't a moron I'm sure he had some very solid reasons for moving him up there.  And there have been plenty of plays this year when they've played back off the LOS and still managed to get completely lost in the wash and fail to make a play.  

Ugh.  Coach Davis has to be gone after this year.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Scooter's picture

Urban worked his tail off to save ZS's job. I think we're seeing the same for BD.

Scooter

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Buckfrombirth's picture

"...it's the damn big plays." THERE'S some fire! Haven't seen that yet this year. Here's to maybe getting some crap fixed, one way or another.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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NYWoodyFan's picture

This team has nothing to lose by implementing wholesale changes, cause if they don’t, it’s a four loss season. I’ve honestly never seen a more poorly coached team since Jerry Faust, who squandered talent at equal levels of incompetence to this staff. 

Obvious answers require a lynch mob and national embarrassment before they are even considered. Tate Martell in a short yardage package does not require a genius to implement, and represents the easy first grade answer to our glaring  problem—yet he remains rotting on the bench, awaiting transfer. Stubbornness? Stupidity? Mental collapse? WTF?

I’ve never seen linebackers more poorly deployed. Glaringly obvious. Minnesota laughed at the scheme. Adjustments? Nope. Have to get called out on National television, and embarrassed week after week! Where did this bad notion of how to use linebackers come from suddenly? Grinch? Schiano? I don’t remember it last year.

Rondell Moore. How does their best player beat you like a drum when you know it’s coming. Maybe Arnette’s absence was key to being short-handed, but man was that hard to watch

Watching the coaching since 2015 has made me apoplectic. What is the problem here? Where is 2006 Urban Meyer, who once was the best coach in college football? Overemphasis on recruiting and absence of coaching will lead to failure both on the field and on the trail.

Matt

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McGrind's picture

NYWF...you missed the obvious. In 2006 the spread was relatively new (guys like RichRod were geniuses) now even pee wee teams run the spread. Hell when my HS first put in the spread around 2011 we played cass tech and they had just a CB and Safety on the wide side of the field with 3 receivers...made the coach and QB look pretty smart. 

Urb ‘borrowed’ the spread...he was never the idea/schematic guy. Used a system others developed and then out recruited them. 

If you watch him on the side line...no surprise, he is out of ideas. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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El Guapo's picture

Why not bring Little Animal in to coach the LB’s? You have a well known alum with NFL experience. 

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tussey's picture

Being a good analyst and player doesn't mean he would be a good coach.  

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Isn’t Urb’s son in law a GA now? Yeah, I’m sure he’s qualified. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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The Rill Dill's picture

Nor does the title ex-NFL coach.

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El Guapo's picture

 Tussey I agree with you there. I just thought since we have interim Brian Hartline coaching the receivers with little coaching experience James would be a breath of fresh air. Yes he is an analyst and that doesn’t make you a good coach but he has played the game recently unlike Davis. I think it wouldn’t hurt just to hear him out and see how he would or wouldn’t fit in as a coach. He has said he has had aspirations to coach so the itch is there.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

The NCAA has rules regarding external coaches. I don't have the current rules and numbers , the following was published online in 2010 by the Ann Arbor News. 

11.7.2 Football Bowl Subdivision - There shall be a limit of one head coach, nine assistant coaches and two graduate assistant coaches who may be employed by an institution in bowl subdivision football.

11.7.2.1 Exceptions to Number Limits FBS - No individual other than coaches designated to fill the coaching categories set forth in Bylaw 11.7.2 may participate in any manner in the coaching of the intercollegiate team of a member institution during any football game, practice or other organized activity, with the following exceptions:

11.7.2.1.1 Weight or Strength Coach FBS - A weight (strength and conditioning) coach may conduct flexibility, warm-up and physical conditioning activities prior to any game and prior to or during any practice or other organized activities without being included in the limitations on number of coaches.

11.7.2.1.2 Undergraduate Coach FBS - The limits on the number of coaches in this section do not apply to undergraduate coaches.

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Sanantonefan's picture

I hope they really do develop a sense of urgency. No more sleepwalking.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Turfgrad's picture

That makes sense.  If you can't use the recruits that you have properly, why do need more recruits? 

Don't you need to recruit new coaches?

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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KINGBUCKEYE419's picture

in 2013 we had the DB's playing too far back. 2018 we have the linebackers playing too close up.

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thedewman10's picture

So...if we fired coaches after every loss or bad game, nobody we ever heard of would now be coaching. Everybody needs to understand this is going to happen because it happens everywhere. I don’t believe coaches just sit back and don’t see it.

 I remember 1999-2001 when we were 21-15 combined, then in 04 and 11 we were 8-4 and 6-7...Teams recruit better against us also now days also. 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Well I’d say managers should or could let go of staff that’s underachieving. Losing is a product of that but they’ve won plenty while not playing to potential. It’s not like it hasn’t been an issue. The Purdue game was simply a culmination of many things, much to do w poor job performances by the coaching staff. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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Dougsixxx's picture

Here we are.   3rd year in a row that we have underperformed. Top tier talent and piss it away.  I’m hoping that this gets fixed like last year but at the same time we shouldn’t be losing games to Iowa and Purdue  let alone by 29 points.  Coaching needs to change otherwise we will see a decline in recruiting and Michigan and penn state will gain more ground on us. 

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Turfgrad's picture

Don't fire anybody.  Cut their pay checks proportionate to the losses.  Gets their attention very fast. 

Coming from a successful self-employed OSU grad of 35 years.

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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AZBuck LHC's picture

Yes, schemes are a big part of the problem on both sides of the ball, but a lack of player development and attitude are also factors. Unfortunately, at this stage in the season the Coaches will be limited on what they can do to fix the problems. Adjust schemes and simplify the playbook, and bench ANY player why doesn't play with passion and aggression. Coaches need to be willing to do ANYTHING that helps the Team succeed....including sitting starters that are not getting it done.

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bbb's picture

Time to admit that Urban is a great recruiter but his head's up his arse about priorities

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Since64's picture

Is it just me or does Kirk Herbstreit seem to be a traitor? The news of friction came from him and to be honest dude is just NOT a homer. Look at other "analysts" and the love for their school is obvious and nope I don't blame them at all trust me I would too.....but there's just something about this guy i can't put my finger on but ??? Anyone else feeling this vibe?

NONE are more hopelessly Enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free!

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Jonesy's picture

Recruit 4 and 5 stars all you want.  If there's an another Iowa or Purdue in 2019 what's the point?

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550I Buckeye's picture

"4 and 5 stars just don't forgot how to play football once they reach college."  Concerning OSU...it's coaching!   Stop hiring your friends UM!

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550I Buckeye's picture

It's truly sad when an 1-6 Nebraska team is chopping at the bit to play tOSU (At Home)!

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Greenbriar's picture

After a few days, I think there are grounds for optimism. Every team--except Alabama--occasionally gets humbled. OSU when humbled comes back.  

The coaches are not idiots. Playing LBs close to the line makes sense some times (like if you have Nick Bosa and Denzel Ward). Passing the ball is a good thing (remember our complaints last year about the team not being able to pass). The coaches will be idiots if they don't adjust, but there is reason to think that they will adjust. 

I will leave this post with the words of Coach Eric Taylor: “We are all vulnerable, and we will all, at some point in our lives… fall. We will all fall. We must carry this in our hearts… that what we have is special. That it can be taken from us, and when it is taken from us, we will be tested. We will be tested to our very souls. We will now all be tested. It is these times, it is this pain, that allows us to look inside ourselves.”

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thedewman10's picture

Alabama was humbled by the Buckeyes

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Urbanologist's picture

Humbled is being ranked #2 and losing a tight game... that is not what has happened....what OSU got was not humbled, they got exposed, exposed as frauds who have nothing in the tool box. It will happen again against UM.

Theire is only one truth...

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

This is a no brainer for the staff. 

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coachlehew's picture

IF we do have more talent than other teams than just play simple football like ever kid on the team has played since 4th grade let talent take over !!!! Simple as that really!!!!

Coachthl68

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Boom777's picture

Don’t want to end up like Mark Richt at Georgia...coaching your 5 stars down to 3

Wherever you are, there you be!

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Urbanologist's picture

The 5 stars are mostly on the bench, so no worries about that.

Theire is only one truth...

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Ishi's picture

We are 7-1.  B1G Championship is still in our sights.  We have two weeks to make adjustments and heal.  It feels good to be a Buckeye!  Give'm Hell Urban!  Hit Nebraska hard and shut the Finebaum up!

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Urbanologist's picture

One of the things they dont do well is coaching, one of the things they do well is show it.

Theire is only one truth...

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RMLogic's picture

First of all it is way past time to bench the lousy players. Schemes and systems dont matter if you have bad players on the field that are too slow, not physical and cant think.

Bench Prince, Borland, Werner , Pryor and Berry. Thats 5 players that are by far the worst on the field.

You cannot have 2 MAC level slow LBs playing at OSU. Watching the replay again today it was comical watching Werner play. He either: runs straight into a blocker, was too slow pursuing and dived at the runners feet, or ran into the pile and watched the runner go by him downfield.

And if Weber and Dobbins cant break tackles start using Teague. Both were pathetic getting extra yards.

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buckeyewalt's picture

Looked like Weber and Dobbins were competing for Dancing With The Stars as much as they danced around instead of plowing into the tacklers or busting into a hole.

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BuckeyeBLaub's picture

Why...? Nothing wrong with the scheme. They have great coaches, and they just failed to execute. /s 

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IloveSaturdays's picture

He does motivate the team when he bends over and holds his head. That’s moving. Can’t expect emotions and excitement from the team, when their coach is a Debby downer, emotional wreck. Reverse psychology?  Go Bucks 

#bendoverandpout 

7-1 chance to go 8-1

I have to return some videotapes

-Pat Bateman

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Turban Meyer's picture

The question is, who is the person who can tell Urban his body language sucks.  Shelley? Is she the only one? 

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WestPalmBucknut's picture

This is my opinion and mean no ill will, just my opinion. 

Since that meeting after UM took the fall for, well fill in the blank. He sat in that meeting and looked like a beaten down man who took the blame because he was told to. Since then, it just might be me, but I just don't see the fire in his eye. He sleepwalks through interviews, refuses to make coaching or personnel changes even though we are just going through the motions week after week. Don't know if anyone else heard this, but Dan Patrick insisted he talked to a high level coach, whom he refused to name, that many prospective players expected to enter the draft are dogging it just to get through the season. According to this source moral is very low and players have very little confidence in the staff to give them game plans that give them a chance to win.

August buulshit set all this up.

i love Um, but he looks lost, uninterested and to be honest just can't wait for season to end so he can move on.

As more than a few have stated, he's a genius at getting things rolling, sustaining success is not a proven with him. Think about head coaches who can sustain high level success long term, Saben, Belicheck, Hayes,  um not many.? The vast majority who are successful coaches can't sustain over 5-7 years. I get it, it's so demanding, mentally, physically and most of all dealing with constant pressure to win. In football, the list of long term elite coaches is very short, especially in the modern era 

After how the Smith thing played out, it's my opinion he's done, just my opinion.

i love my Buckeyes probably more than most, I to have a block O tattoo on my arm.

Not looking to make anyone mad, force my opinion on anyone or try to change the way anyone thinks, simply how I feel now, which isn't very good. 

Die a Buckeye

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

The best thing would have been Bill Davis going away and taking his bad schemes with him.

Mark May is a mental midget

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Davis doesnt call the defense plays. He's not the DC.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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oztintacius's picture

Move Michael Jordan back to LG and let him play the position he is elite at playing.. they've outsmarted themselves there.

If OSU doesn't have a competent center ready to go otherwise, this staff has completely failed with as much time the previous centers gave them to develop one.

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BuckZealot's picture

Try some Taterball in short yardage, in the red zone, whatever.  Could it be any worse than what we've seen the last 3 weeks??

Don't get me wrong.  Dwayne Haskins is a rare talent, but in those situations, on this team, he's limited.

Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....

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RufusVonDufus's picture

Yes, I think the coaching staff sucks as much or more than we think.    No discipline at all.   Constantly playing out of their positions.    Total failure to make tackles.   Bumping, grabbing, pushing instead of hitting.    Where did these creampuffs come from?     Four and five star puffs?    There is no heart on display or very little.   O line horrendous.   D backs not capable of covering or tackling their grandmothers.  Linebackers hardly ever in the thick of the play.    Who the hell is coaching these kids?    Maybe Urban has had enough and needs to leave.

Bucksnnuts

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BAS's picture

I applaud them staying back to address the situations, but it's sad that they even had to do so instead of recruiting.  This is a week that they need to be out on the road trying to beef up a relatively weak 2019 class and cement some relationships for 2020.  Taking them off the road is what needed to be done, but it's a shame that it needed to be done.

BAS

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woodrow130's picture

I think they should've started recruiting saturday night. Looking for 3&4 star kids who want to play with pride for OSU. You can have to many 5* prima donns on a team

Woodrow130

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