Big Ten Teleconference Recap: Urban Meyer Discusses “Glaringly Obvious” Weaknesses, Losing Austin Mack And Fixing Problems With Coordinators

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I thought their linebackers were good players, but they were up at the line of scrimmage quite a bit. If you could get past that first level, there was a bigger level in between them and the safeties because they play up so far."

Literally everyone but our coaching staff sees this 

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TJG32's picture

Bongo 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Not to mention his comment about “leaders on the field”. We shall see...

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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andyb's picture

well hopefully they are taking note. Urban mentioned its something they are looking into.  I am really hopeful that its really just a schematic thing and not that they are just an average team. 

We'll see in two weeks.

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PhillyNut's picture

Well, they met for 12 hours yesterday and he said they spent 12 hours on the running game issues with Haskins as the qb. By my math that means there was no time spent on the defense. Oh, joy.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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fishleehooker's picture

I bet the D coaches were meeting together though.  All Meyer would have to do is give them stuff to do, then check and see that they are going in the right direction. I mean realistically, what more can Meyer add to the D stuff, other than have them diagram out the changes and approve or disapprove of them. 

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fishleehooker's picture

This has become blatant. Probably the biggest thing that needs changed and will make massive improvements. 

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IsJoeFlaccoElite's picture

I have absolutely no trust in Urban to make any meaningful changes. 

He's too damn stubborn and set in his ways. 

Sorry not sorry. 

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TigerSweat's picture

Oh, he'll finally make some changes because his ego fears another upset loss and he can't have that. Not much can be done for the O line at this point outside of running more quick hitting power concepts and I think, provided the backs don't quit at first contact, that will have a positive effect on the run game. The defense needs a schematic overhaul with more zone looks and the LB's not standing at the LOS when the fucking ball is snapped. They should also keep Werner on the sideline unless it's an obvious passing situation. That should have been obvious off the rip this season.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Yoda888's picture

that's a good point on the RBs....one gets the sense by watching them play the last couple of games that there seems to be resignation that the OL won't be creating any holes, thus the extra effort hasn't and may not be there going forward.  Unless something drastic occurs in the next 12 days to fix this issue.  

The QB can throw 0-5 yard passes.  This is pretty well-established.  Pls stop doing this so damn often.  it hinders both the passing and running game.  you're negating your running play while not really lighting the world on fire with such passing.  

I seem to recall one of the announcers mentioning something about Haskins not putting in the hours in the weight room and was a bit "chubby" when he showed up to camp.....maybe that's why his mobility is zero?  like one of those fat, 350-lb pitchers....you look at them and you're like, ok, you got a cannon of an arm, but luckily you just stay on the mount.  But for a QB.....?

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Turfgrad's picture

Three years in a row!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Sanantonefan's picture

Although Urban did say they were looking at that. Hopefully they do something about it.

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Stymie's picture

Bam

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Hmmm. I’m no Lt. Joe Kenda, but that sure sounds like quite a bit of Coach-speak. 

Also wondering if the Marotti comment is just tied to Austin rehabbing or of its deeper....

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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LCT's picture

I might need to just check out for a while. When I read the "glaringly obvious" part I said to myself "then fucking do something about it, Urban."

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Alhan's picture

Just a

Little

Cooldown

Time?

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Learning

Chill

Techniques

Noon games suck

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TJG32's picture

Lying 

Clueless

Tactician

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Turfgrad's picture

Keep up the volume my friend!

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stxbuck's picture

Urban admitted he wasn't worrying about recruiting for one day-for him that is an 'all hands on deck" comment. Also, he mentioned that wholesale scheme changes in the middle of the season weren't something that are easily accomplished, a fact that most pissed off fans simply can't bring themselves to acknowledge.

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Knite's picture

I call BS on that, I have played football, though during a game it may be hard to change scheme, but between them it isn't. It doesn't have to be some rocket science shit that needs a few weeks to implant. The ""Basic"" defense isn't that hard to do. Just Dumbass DC cant seem to get it through his thick skulled head. And for the love of Pete, GET RID OF DAVIS...………..

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Silver Sniper's picture

Agreed knite, one of the most valuable abilities is adaptability. Those that dont have it, don’t succeed. 

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bucks4nuts's picture

interesting comments.. Show me tho.. 

"To The House"

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Of course Franklin thought it was exciting that we lost. He's got to find his happiness in the suffering of Ohio State... puke.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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ChicagoBuckeye10's picture

 I know they can do it. I wouldn't want to play them again."

Who knows, Jeff. It could happen early December...evil laugh*

*more of a concerned chuckle 

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ClarkGrswld4's picture

I can't believe i'm even about to talk about to say the word playoff with how we looked but our best hope of getting there is probably for us and Purdue to win out and get a rematch in the B1G title game

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ChicagoBuckeye10's picture

Yeah not enough people are talking about the head-to-head factor, probably because not a lot of people see OSU or Indy making it out of their respective divisions. But in a complete hypothetical where the team that loses by 29 on the road defeats that same opponent in a CCG (59-0 wouldn't hurt).. that smells like the committee bias that will drive us in like 2014. 

This is 110% hypothetical. Too much important football left.

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flying-banana's picture

I feel like I've seen these comments from Meyer and Co. before... Am I having deja Vu? Is there a glitch in the matrix?

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LCT's picture

Talktalktalktalktalktalkta...........

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kmp10's picture

That's because you have seen/heard them before. It's like a script in Meyer's head... blah blah blah, never start blaming... blah blah blah, obvious problems... blah blah blah, there are some things that need corrected... blah blah blah, we do some things well, and other things we need to work on. 

This is what concerns me the most... this situation SEEMS like it's starting to mirror the end of Meyer's time in Florida. Program problems? Check. Player problems? Check. Meyer experiencing physical/psychological problems? Check. 

I know it feels like people are piling on Meyer, but that comes with the 8 million dollar paycheck, and so do the insane expectations. We'll see what happens in two weeks, but if major changes aren't made then it just seems logical that multiple losses are on the horizon... which would complete the UF-like scenario and could be the impetus for change that I hope doesn't happen. 

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Aristotle's picture

don't forget, blah, blah, we're gonna get these things fixed

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

It has been glaring to casual fans for weeks now

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The Rill Dill's picture

It’s pretty damn sad when other coaches have to coach our coaches. 

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Barfolomew's picture

PAUL CHRYST, WISCONSIN

He does not get any questions.

I don't know why but this cracked me up. Also this:

 There was no explanation as to why Jim Harbaugh was not on the teleconference.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Hairball...tinfoil hat Tuesday?

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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aabucks1996's picture

Because most people, media included I believe, would rather listen to Ben Stein read an insurance policy that listen to Paul Chryst.

You win with people

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kmp10's picture

Paul Chryst... the human sleeping pill.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Harbaugh is currently producing another "who's got it better than us" video so they can fall on their faces again.

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bucks4nuts's picture

That Michigan train is running fast down hill and the coach and team is getting very cocky.. we will see how this ends...

"To The House"

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Buck-n-A's picture

Not that losing a game is fun but it is motivating to be the underdog sometimes.  I hope they continue this cockiness so that the Buckeyes have the opportunity to put them in their place.  For much of the last 20 years, we have gone into the Michigan game favored to heavily favored.  Lets see how they do with the pressure.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I started to laugh, and feel a bit embarrassed for Paul Chryst... damn, no questions from anybody about Wisconsin football!  Damn, that says a lot!!!

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Ahh, see he denied “tension,” not friction! I’d say this sums everything up pretty well -

One explanation - that they don’t have good coaches.

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bucks4nuts's picture

no words....

"To The House"

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Recovering_Buckeye's picture

Kirk - "Says the first thing he congratulated the team on Saturday was being bowl eligible."

Only crappy teams that don't usually make a bowl game do this....Nice Work Kirk

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Madmanbuck's picture

Does this mean the Lb's didn't grade as champions this week? Wow now that's suprising

It's time to see what the man is made of when someone smacks him in the mouth

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saintstephen11's picture

everyone gets a participation trophy.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Did they really participate though?

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I am Kirok's picture

Purdue graded them out as Champions, said the OSU LB core were the best players on their team.

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Buckeye7's picture

And God help us all then..

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buckeyepastor's picture

Statements on changing things I sort of expected.  I think it’s “Coach-speak.”  If the answer is too immediate and clear, then the follow up becomes “then why the frick did it take this long to see it?   Why does it take a bye week to watch film for a day and see where our scheme is crap?”  Taking the “wait and see” approach gets him out of having to specifically target individuals.  

Would love to hear more from him about coaches talking to this roster differently than in years past.  Is it to do with lack of leadership.  He says there is maturity, but is there the requisite mindset and character?  

8 weeks into the season, after four weeks of solid decline in the run game,they have a cram session about “life after JT Barrett” in the run game.  Yikes!  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Again..Schiano makes 1.5 mill a year and he is either too blind to see his scheme sucks or his too stubborn to change. Either is inexcusable. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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buckeyepastor's picture

Opposing coach literally singles out the scheme in his press conference.  Sports media confounded at how ill fitting a scheme it is.  Why does it take them so long.  

That said, even with LBs backed off the line, they were often managing to allow themselves easily taken out of play.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

That said, even with LBs backed off the line, they were often managing to allow themselves easily taken out of play.  

If i'm remembering correctly (there may have even been a Film Study on it), the whole LB at the LOS scheme was a halftime adjustment in the TCU game precisely because the LBs were not able to properly diagnose run plays.  I don't recall TCU getting chunk run plays in the second half, but they got chunk pass plays and probably weren't ready/able to adjust to take advantage of that space.

Tulane wasn't equipped to take advantage; IU was, but not consistently, ditto Minnesota (if the QB hit a few more of those slants, god help us); Purdue came in and worked OSU.

Worst part is, it's an evolution of the same basic gameplan that Oklahoma, then Iowa, worked OSU with last year (they did it with TEs and FBs, if that worked, this is what happens when they put somebody fast in there to catch the ball).

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FLBuckeyeRick's picture

Just remember next year that we've been watching this year after year.

Someone needs to take a hard look at what's gone wrong and make the right changes.

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pjs2692's picture

Just hoping we get everything fixed and get to see Purdue again in Indianapolis December 1st. We got way better and learned to power run the ball after the Iowa disaster last year.

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Buckibry's picture

OSU wont see Purdue again, because they will lose to MSU this Saturday.
TCU 3-4
PSU 5-2
Both lost the following week after playing the Bucks .

I'll work for helmet stickers!

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Ethos's picture

Add Minnesota to that list.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

There is a ton to play for. And honestly I don't even care about the playoffs. I want to beat Michigan go to the Rose Bowl. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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avail31678's picture

Yep.  Let's just win out, do everything including late nights planning to beat our Rival, and play a great bowl matchup.

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DeacBuck's picture

I wouldn't want to play them again

Why? That would mean Purdue would be in the B1G Championship Game. He'd rather play Michigan's defense vs one they've already dropped 49 on?

Lotta nice coachspeak from Brohm. Maybe he's campaigning a bit for a job...

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

the first step in fixing a problem is admitting you have one

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Turfgrad's picture

Right.  Not even a half-time adjustment for #1 & #4 of Purdue.

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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Romanovich54's picture

Déjà vu all over again.. last years Iowa game. linebackers were horrendous. next game, Michigan State we saw a scheme change. linebackers went back to sitting were they belong and look how bad the silver bullets destroyed em. holding the 7-2 spartans to 3 points.. hopefully this years scheme change wont be too late. 

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OSUFlash's picture

Take care of what's in front of you and whatever happens happens. I absolutely trust these coaches and players are 100% vested into this season win, lose or draw. I never get hung up on the playoffs. The goal is beating TTUN and winning the BIG 10 Championship. If playoffs is part of that success then so be it. It's a 4 game season for all the marbles.
 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

You and I think alike  All I heard after Iowa last year was that we would lose multiple games down the road. Instead, we never lost again.  I hope this is a wake up call for both the players and the coaches, and we repeat last year.  Playoff Guy can obsess about the playoffs.  Me, beat TTUN, win the conference, go to a good bowl game, and this is a successful season.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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sullie's picture

I know that sniveling James Franklin is over there yuking up tOSU's loss but his almost but not quite elite football program damn near got taken out by IU this weekend. . . wondering how exciting that would have been to him?

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I think James Franklin needs to worry about Iowa and not a team that has already beaten him

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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BucksHave7's picture

I do plan to enjoy watching Kirk Firentz out coach James Franklin on Saturday.  

BucksHave7

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Never count on Iowa doing what you want them to do, especially on the road

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aabucks1996's picture

Penn state will have 4 losses after next saturday, nov 3.

You win with people

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BucksHave7's picture

........And will finish in 4th place in the B10 EAST DIVISION.  

BucksHave7

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I know that sniveling James Franklin is over there yuking up tOSU's loss

Couldn't care less about what non-rival coaches are doing/thinking

Shandy is not beer

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Buck 1961's picture

Nice touch with the non-rival part QCB +1.

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tylerdru's picture

For some odd reason I am going to have faith that some of this gets fixed in two weeks. I know history is not on my side. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

History is on your side.  All you have to do is go all the way back to 2017 and what happened after the Iowa loss.  You are welcome.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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blu.fan's picture

Yeah, any reasons to have faith things will change is very odd. Because so many of your problems are with the OL, which you can't change in two weeks. And the balance of your problems are with the coaching staff, and good luck with Meyer changing that.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Luckily we have a head coach who wins about 85% of the time and has 3 titles.  I fully expect TTUN fans to be mouthy at this point, because, well, your fan base never learns (we know, your are back, take number 212).

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Throughout Urban Meyer’s tenure at Ohio State, has had always bebounded strong after a loss. I expect nothing less this year. Fix some things in the next two weeks and come out ready to play against a vastly improve Nebraska squad! Should be a great measuring stick

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Throughout Urban Meyer’s tenure at Ohio State, has had always bebounded strong after a loss.

2013 notwithstanding

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Major H's picture

"The one thing you want to do is never start blaming."

I sure don't blame the players, but I think the coaches need to rethink their schemes.   

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Silver Sniper's picture

I also don’t blame the players.

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traveling buckeye's picture

Urban - On whether linebackers play too close to the line: "We are looking into that."

Jeff Brohm - I thought their linebackers were good players, but they were up at the line of scrimmage quite a bit. If you could get past that first level, there was a bigger level in between them and the safeties because they play up so far."

Kirk Herbstreit - "The linebackers are out of position and many times walked up to the line of scrimmage pre-snap and almost taking themselves out of the play because they can't scrape left to right against the run," Herbstreit said. "The safeties, then, are taking a lot of poor angles in run support. Instead of a gain or 8 or 10 yards where the safeties are out of position, it's a 50-yard touchdown.

James Laurinaitis - When you consistently put your linebackers up at the line of scrimmage you limit there ability to react to plays. Every single time.

Look into it, But i think the consensus is in favor of linebackers too close to the line, work on it now or we can ask Scott Frost in a few weeks what he thinks about the linebackers positions.

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TJG32's picture

^^^^^^    THIS 100%!!!!!!

TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.

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BUCKfutter's picture

Says Michigan was hampered with penalties in the opening game, and the team has adjusted its style to fit with how officials call the game.

fancy that

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Says "in some way" coaches have to deal with players differently than they did in the past.

Interpretation: We cannot rip a player for shitty play anymore because they cannot handle the criticism and go pout and quit the team.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Hey Jeff, can you get on the phone and coach our coaches?

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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aabucks1996's picture

OSU assistant coach of the year - Jeff Brohm

You win with people

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TurboNut's picture

He already schooled our coaches. 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Hopefully yesterday's 12 hours results in much more red zone efficiency. So how long was left to spend on the defensive schemes needing attention? Must have been quite a long day!

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aabucks1996's picture

There is a real chance PSU could go 7-5 this year with the remaining schedule they have.  Wonder how fun that would be for the used car salesman?

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PeruBuckeye1133's picture

None of Meyers previous championship teams have been undefeated..let's take a deep breath and trust that things will get fixed..maybe this loss needed to happen to get coaches and players refocused and regrouped.  A loss was coming we could all see it by the way we were playing...rather lose to Purdue than ttun. Win out and we are in the Big ten Championship and right in it for the playoffs. Let's all Relax and Go Bucks! 

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Hmrivera76's picture

Trust?  come on guy!!!  What makes you think any of these issues will be fixed?  All of them must be fixed to compete with the better teams.  Take those rise colored glasses off.  It's this type of thinking is why things have gone in for so long.   Playoffs!!!  OMG seriously?

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PeruBuckeye1133's picture

You could be right they might not be fixed but I'm not going to sit here after one loss when everything is still on the table and act like we are Rutgers. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Why must it be one extreme or the other? An honest, calm, realistic and rational assessment says this is not a playoff caliber team, but they sure as hell aren't Rutgers either.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is exactly what I said to friends after it.  This is the wake up call team needed.  I think that happened against Va Tech in 2014 and Iowa last year (I thought Oklahoma was simply the better team).  I think sometimes players hear others say things like "only Ohio State can play with Bama" and they start believing it.  Not any more.  If this team has the mettle, this is a wake up call. 

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UGotBBQBackThere's picture

The problem is all this talk about evaluating and fixing things “yesterday” instead of before the game when it was glaringly obvious. These weren’t new problems that arose against Purdue. Wondering why it is we have to lose a game before exploring solutions to the problems seen week after week. I would be much less frustrated if we lost, yet actually made adjustments in some fundamental areas (giving up in the fourth quarter didn’t help either though).

Surely beating a dead horse here, but we’ll stop when it’s actually dead. 

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EffMarkMay's picture

I never played football, but I cannot imagine that it's easy to implement a full scheme change in a week, especially with NCAA rules around practice time.

Certainly not an excuse, and you would hope that there could be small changes implemented during the practice week - like LBs not playing at the LOS, but nothing major like moving away from the Man coverage principals on defense and the Zone/Read and RPOs on offense.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Would it require a schematic change to pull the LBs back off the LOS?

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traveling buckeye's picture

Great point! It wouldn't require a major change. They have shown that they can play cover 4, various zone schemes, and man to man. The trick would be to mix it up, so that the pre-snap reads weren't so easy for opposing QBs. In addition to pulling the linebackers off the line would be a good start. Next, since the middle of the field is the weak spot, bump the receivers at the line of scrimmage, but bump them to the outside. the field gets a lot smaller and the sideline is an extra man. This not only give the D-line more time to get to the QB, but it allows Linebackers and safeties to react better the run or pass. It may not stop teams from completely moving the ball, but i'll bet those chunk plays go away.

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UGotBBQBackThere's picture

Right, and I’m not talking about a complete revamping of the playbook. But to your point (and many others’), moving LBs off the line should be a game time adjustment at least. When I say fundamentals I’m referring to tackling (mind boggling how we even need help there), mental mistakes that cost us penalties, you name it. With the resources in this football program, the collective experience and expertise of coaches, and the talent of the players on the field, they have apparently sat on some fixable issues that were not discussed until “yesterday.”

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OSUFlash's picture

^^^^^ AMEN Peru!

We need a little more support and optimism on this board. The world is not ending. Losing sucks I get it but in the words of Craig Krenzel, "football is only a game."

osuflash

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Aristotle's picture

You're right, what I can't figure out is why do we pay the coaches so much money.? Why didn't we elevate Fickell to head coach when Tressel got canned?

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Please bring in James Laurinaitis and Chris Spielman as consultants - they would be the perfect group to shore up a bruised and battered defense!  I'm guessing after a few weeks, we'd see a great improvement in morale and tackling skills! 

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Once again, it takes a loss to make adjustments to things that aren't working.  Not sure why they need to lose games to make changes.  Why can't they treat less than satisfactory wins like losses, and make appropriate changes before an actual loss happens?

Class of 2010.

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TurboNut's picture

It makes me wonder if our coaches spend too much time on the recruiting trail and not enough on developing the talent they have and on game scheming. I know it's important to recruit well and get the talented players to come play for us, but when you have outstanding recruits coming in and under-performing, it makes you wonder if they aren't getting the coaching attention they need and deserve. Urban and the assistants have made numerous comments on how they "don't have enough time to change schemes during the week" and it makes you wonder why? They can make adjustments at halftime that make a difference in the game then why can't they make larger changes during the week? I'm not saying completely change the plays but it looked like they did nothing from Minnesota to Purdue... Hell, I'm not even sure if they scouted them from the looks of the game. 

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Huskerbuck's picture

Urban, it has been"glaringly obvious" since game one and we are approaching game nine.  Time to stop talking about it and get it fixed.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Right? I’m glad we can agree on that now let’s get to fixing!

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Hmrivera76's picture

And not a single one of these issues were there before the purdue game!  

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Smooth Lee's picture

Seven games to figure out how to correct "weaknesses"; they GOT WORSE. Here's my "figure out": The coaches don't know what they're doing. Schiano has proved he's not up to task. And, neither is Meyer for keeping staff like Schiano.   

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Sanantonefan's picture

On report of tension between coaching staff: "There are some things that need to be fixed. I wouldn't call it tension. I'd call it day-to-day going to work and working on your weaknesses and getting them fixed. So no, there is no tension. Urgency, I'd call it."

I like this--hopefully it means Urban is ripping some coaches new ones so they get their act together. A sense of urgency has been sorely missing.

Go Bucks!

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Turfgrad's picture

Tension? 

Pay checks should reflect performance. 

Try that for a year!

Cash for wins!

Tension for losses.

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Smooth Lee's picture

Cash incentives (or disincentives) ain't gonna improve intelligence or talent if those characteristics are qualitatively poor. 

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Turfgrad's picture

That must be my problem!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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550I Buckeye's picture

More like Urbs putting his pals in "time-out" for a few hours then back to the status-quo.

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NOBLUE's picture

i see we still have some crazy M--Fer's that are still using those words.......BIG Championship and CFP...haha get effing real you people who won't face reality

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Buck61's picture

the Marotti comment may have been in regards to Bosa leaving Columbus and going to California
 

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bairjo's picture

the locker room was "strong" following the loss.

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Zone's picture

I am not a coach of any sport, played some college football, watched every OSU football game since I was 7, now 33. I go back every week watching OSU games to a fault, addicted, and if you asked my wife she'd say similar.

To me, and others who passionately follow this team saw glaring issues defensively, prior to Purdue. Do we know the scheme for the played called, players true evaluation, player assignment, roles and responsibilities for a given play or within the scheme, the answer is simply no.

None of us know matter-of-factly or have a team to prepare for against this OSU defense, like Jeff Brohm, PJ Fleck, Tom Allen had, HOWEVER, it does not tak a college football coach to see the glaring issues with this defense, and that there lays the problem. Passionate fans may not know how to attack this defense or the personnel matchups offensively, but the fans see a defensive group that lacks heart, attitude, discipline, toughness. The unfortunate part, they lack leadership, heart , toughness, tenacity which cannot be coached and is a systemic problem that is very tough to overcome. Coaches can talk about brotherhood and develop culture but the players have yet to buy in and are not playing for each other, and for this to happen in week 8 is not a good look.

Jeff Brohm essentially said this defensive line was really good with Nick Bosa, they're just MEH now. Linebackers were never taken seriously all the while put into bad positions and taken advantage of... (why was Malik on Moore again? As if that should happen, ever.) Slotted into a poor scheme, and although our backend it's not the greatest thet are left to hang out and dry.

Purdue attacked us the way Minnesota attacked, Minnesota attacked simlar to Indiana. To me it is not rocket science, and clearly Greg Schiano is not adjusting accordingly.

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Canukbuck's picture

If we do indeed have 4 and 5 star players at LB, then you don't need to gamble to make plays by having them on the LOS, since in most cases, your skill levels are better than most of the teams you'll face.  The odd blitz is fine, but when you go blitz happy, you leave yourself so wide open for big plays, it's just plain stupid and how the DC's can't see it, is not stupidity, but ego-stroking ("I know better than anyone, because I coached in the NFL and was a head coach before").  Lane Kiffen is a perfect example of an ego--maniac coach, because he'd rather empty the playbook on another team, just to show the other coaches how many plays he's got up his sleeve.  Forget the fact that he's run two dive plays for 60 yards each - he'll never run them again.

Schiano gives me that impression.  He needs to park his ego at the door, stop trying to do the impossible and call the game with some sense.  Defend the offensive alignment first, play the down and distance second ..... basic shit .... Stop throwing in blitzes, just because he wants to show the other team all the defensive plays he can run ...

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Yoda888's picture

EGO.  That's a very valid point if you look at everything that's happened.  

1. Schiano and the Tennessee Fiasco.  everyone's a bit wounded, pride/ego-wise, and maybe he's out to "prove" Tennessee or those people wrong....to the detriment of his current and immediate tasks, which is to have a good, basic, workable game plan;

2. Meyer and the ZS disaster.  Same thing.  His credibility took a HUGE dent.  kinda decapitated his biggest strength, recruiting.  I'm sure a lot of mothers has and will be giving him a slightly different reception.  the gloss/shine/aura is a bit faded.  This is hard to take and it does have a big impact on effectiveness;

3. Bosa quitting the team.  This has a massive impact on the team.  For those who have played organized team sports know that this does have a significant impact mentally, on team morale, and ultimately performance.  It's a lot harder to give that extra bit of effort when you just saw the best player on the team QUIT.  I'm sure that coaches or teammates don't yell out "Mikey, come on!  That's how you make the big bucks!  Push harder, that's a top 5 draft pick right there!  Defend your territory, that's worth an extra USD5million!!!"  It's darn near impossible for coaches and teammates to be convincing now when they tell you about "the brotherhood".  I'm fairly certain that most of the kids "don't blame" Bosa for his decision, but it does have an impact on them mentally and their effort and performance.

Yoda888

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James Varney's picture

The comments here and on other 11W posts make me think 2 things for sure:

1. All this "we've got multiple losses coming, just you watch!" negativity. Please. Ohio State's got a terrific collection of football players. We're not going to lose "multiple games." Would not be a bit surprised if we beat Nebraska badly in The Shoe, just as we did MSU after Iowa last year. Most important of all (every year): Beat Michigan!!!

2. The reason the coaches keep saying they need to "fix the problem" and yet prove incapable of doing so is because *they* are the problem! They need to fix themselves, so to speak, and that can be very hard to do even if they admit the truth. Go Bucks!

Beat Michigan!

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JNRBUCKEYE's picture

Shit .. thisTeam is Full of TOP Recruits who were the Best on their high school teams.. but now they've FORGOTTEN HOW TO TACKLE ON DEFENSE AFTER ONE SEASON.. strange Peculiar Garbage that D coaches cant get Tacklers on that D Especially since that is THE BASIC FUNDAMENTAL ELEMENT OF TACKLE FOOTBALL and Buckeyes Cannot Tackle on D

This Team is a damned Joke

GO BUCKEYES!!!

JNRBUCKEYE

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Texbuckbear's picture

JAMES FRANKLIN, PENN STATE

Says it's "exciting" in a conference where things can change week to week, as seen by Michigan winning and Ohio State losing.

Ha!  Thanks for that amazing observation, Mrs. Franklin.

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buckeyewalt's picture

On whether linebackers play too close to the line: "We are looking into that."

Says the team will work on the red zone for the next three days in a row.

Says the red zone offense, run game and defense giving up big plays are "glaringly obvious" weaknesses.

Things will get corrected and changes will be made in the off season.

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Buck-n-A's picture

Honest questions:  I hear the announcers discuss that we always play man-to-man.  Is that the case?  Do we ever play zone?  Would that help in stopping the big plays?  Seems like our guys have their backs turned in coverage and don't see the big play happening behind them.

Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.

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yantubos's picture

Being constantly unprepared for the opponent is a coaching / scheme problem, and it has been going on for years. Urban needs to clean house - get rid of everyone except maybe Mariotti and a few others. The message needs to be sent that this is unacceptable. Losing BIG to unranked teams is not a normal course of action and this is multiple years in a row that the team looks like garbage in this situation.

It's not like OSU can't get new, hungry coaches that want to win.

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OhioStGoon's picture

I predicted the loss by OSU to Purdue and was off on what Purdue would eventually score by 1... This osu team is soft and has little to no heart and is easily intimidated and it starts at the top with Urban. The Zach Smith controversy spooked Urban to his core and it has trickled down to the team since he's comeback. I don't see the aforementioned being fixed atleast until after the season but by then there will be loss or 2 by that time as well..

GO BUCKS

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WoodyTressMeyer's picture

"On getting the run game to work with a quarterback like Dwayne Haskins instead of J.T. Barrett: "I'd have to say we spent at least 12 hours on that yesterday." 

I have been begging for 12 months to see Dobbins and Weber in the backfield at the same time!!!!!!

PLease try this to help with the run game!

Ohio is the cradle of football!

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

M. Marotti gets much love and respect 'round here. When I watch our O line struggling, the absolute last thing I am thinking is our guys sure are strongly dominate. Accountability.

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