Stock Up/Down: The Rondale Moore Show, Ohio State's Red Zone Problems And Concerns With Offensive Line

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Nutinpa's picture

Ooh, this is going to be good.   You went easy on the staff, Colin.

Stock Down:   Ryan Day, Kevin Wilson, Urban Meyer.  The Offense has not only been figured out, but our leadership cannot put up a whimper. I'll see Beck, Warriner and Meyer and raise you one chip with the current 3 wisemen.  

Stock Down:   The Defensive coaching staff.  All of them.   That eerie quiet you (don't) hear is Schiano's agent's phone no longer ringing.

Stock Down:   The Big Ten East.....and it may get worse if Penn State loses to Iowa on Saturday night.   People south of the M-D line are laughing so hard, they need oxygen. 

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Dmac3212's picture

The coaching has been awful. It has been getting worse year after year. With that being said, I believe that narrative lets the players off the hook. Its their job to make plays on the football field. Somethings cant be teached such as having a nose for the football and taking proper angles. I miss players like lauranitis, AJ Hawk, and Mike Doss. They were not the highest recruits but were all gamers when they suited up. 

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Nutinpa's picture

Agree.  And with the exception of 2014, this team and program have not been the same since they left.   Add John Simon to that list. 

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McGrind's picture

Yes, lots of mistakes that have nothing to do with coaching...but in Grinder’s time we had a big hill behind the HS that helped you get clarity on the snap count. 

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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Sanantonefan's picture

True statement, but you need to put the players in a position to succeed. Laurinitis said that putting the LBs up on the line makes it almost impossible for them to be in the proper position to make a play. We have the talent--the staff needs to get them to play as a team.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Dmac3212's picture

I completely agree its the coaches job to put the players in the right position to make plays. I just think as coaches/recruiters we value stars/measurables more than heart and football instinct. This is hindsight and hypocritical of myself because I do follow recruiting and get excited when high rated players sign.

Crazy times when we lose to Purdue, cant run the football, and cant stop a nose bleed. 

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JMeadows's picture

I agree.  I think the position coaches are teaching "exotic" when they need to be using "meat and potatoes."  The old Urbanism "this is who we are" isn't.  This team is struggling with fractions and they're trying to get them to use abstract algebraic structures.  Simplify the damned schemes and focus on who your enemy is, not on who you want the team to be.  

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

"Somethings cant be teached"
I agree.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Pretty solid take here. The truth hurts.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

Penny stock:

Ohio State run game

Ohio State defense

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

The biggest difference between the 2014 and the 2018 team is toughness. After the VA Tech loss our o-line and linebackers got mad and went tout and lit opponents up all season culminating with beating Alabama physically. The 2018 team gets pushed around by 2-star Purdue and Minnesota players.

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PhillyNut's picture

^^^^^^^^

So much this, at least it seems from the cheap seats.  No one gets mad, no one seems to get emotional, no one is getting in teammates faces to get them fired up.  You can have quiet leaders if you know that when they speak everyone listens and responds.  None of that seems to be happening with this team.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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CptBuckeye24's picture

And I don't see Urban Meyer getting pissed off and fired up. If the HC isn't fired up, why should the players be? The lack of intensity and emotion on the team starts with the lack of intensity and emotion from Urban

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PhillyNut's picture

Pretty sad when you can't find anything on the Ohio State side to give a stock up.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Nutinpa's picture

So true.   Geez, not even a kicker or a punter! 

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Huskerbuck's picture

The punt and punt coverage team has often done well . . . but how does that help when the "D" continues to give up 90+ yard drives not to mention an excessive amount of big to huge plays? 

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TMac's picture

Fro the Bill Davis Wiki page:

 In 2018, Davis's linebackers at Ohio State consistently guess what hole to attack before they even read the play, get blocked and are unable to shed the block resulting in huge plays. This has lead to widespread criticisms by Ohio State fans.

ONE Not Done!

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osubuck57's picture

Wiki must have confused Bill Davis with Luke Fickell

SCOTTC.

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Huskerbuck's picture

IMHO a double stock down goes to the coaching staff.  Eight weeks in and little to no improvement, mostly none, is areas of weakness that were revealed in our very first game. . . LBs and DBs, excessive undisciplined penalties, not to mention the  continued downward trend of the "O" line and running game. 

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hetuck's picture

Don't mark off Northwestern. They have a former five-star Clemson transfer redshirting this year behind Thorsen. I well remember the last time OSU played there. Bet on it being another road night game. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Nutinpa's picture

Maybe.  But if even so, add NW to a list of teams that Alabama and Clemson would beat by 30 regardless of where -- and at what time the game was played. 

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CptBuckeye24's picture

But I also feel like conference games are much different. For conference games, teams are seeing film of their opponents playing recently played opponents. There is a stronger level of familiarity amongst coaches and makes conference games even closer.

I think we would blow out a few SEC teams whIle they would keep the games closer against conference opponents

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CptBuckeye24's picture

Agreed. I wouldn't cross them off either. Fitzgerald gets his teams up for the big games. Ask Sparty and TTUN this year. 2016 and 2013 for us.

Northwestern has had good qb play recently and Johnson is a 5 star talent. They might be a good team.

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Lighteyes's picture

Was coming to say the same thing. The last four trips to Evanston were two blowouts (2006, 2008), one very close win (2013)*, and one upset loss (2004). Northwestern will be an underdog, but they're not nearly at the 'lol Rutgers, no chance there' level.

*The final 40-30 score was not representative of the game - Ohio State was losing in the fourth quarter and put up a padding touchdown on a desperation hook and lateral at the end of the game. 

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cledaybuck's picture

Brent Musberger presents: Great moments in gambling history.

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SpaceCoast's picture

I'm so disappointed it's hard to even comment on the specifics.  We went from the "Buckeyes against the world" mentality in the first three games to where we are now in a very short stretch.  Hard to believe.

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tampatom's picture

Stock down for me is team captains, there are none. No one on that sideline was in players faces about mistakes or missed assignments to try and fire the team up. No one is upset or shows any emotion. The time for n+1 captains is over. Players are just going thru the motions without any emotion, but that also seems to be what Meyer is doing..at least in past certain players would take over the locker room and this year there are none. I know everyone thought Bosa should be called out because he quit the team as a captain, but in reality he did not feel that way because being a captain means nothing..there are 8 more captains so how I am quitting the team??!!

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McGrind's picture

Purdue O strategy: let’s get our best players and exploit the opponent’s weakness

Buckeye O strategy: let’s spread the ball around so everyone get their touches 

And oh receivers that can’t catch the ball in their hands should not be getting red zone throws. High point the throw and snag it in the hands...or cover punts. 

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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Brutus_Bully's picture

So Urban Meyer is basically good friends with every single assistant coach on the roster. That's bad because half of them are are seriously underperforming, it's no wonder Urban looks like a panic attack waiting to happen.

I do not at all have the mind of a bully... in my mind bullies are intolerant of contrary opinion, domineering and rather cowardly.

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

Just read a national media article claiming sources describing friction within the football program and athletic department at all levels at OSU.  The piece also mentioned Meyer's unusual behavior on the sidelines which I must admit was fairly striking.  His demeanor is that of a fan in the stands, not a coach on the sidelines actively involved in the course of the game.  I have interpreted that as him basically turning over all in game decisions to his assistant coaches which in itself seems unusual to me.   I guess we will see if this is a bump or an earthquake.  One thing does seem likely.  Meyer may be a better football coach and recruiter then he is a CEO of the football program.  His tenures at Bowling Green and Utah my have been too brief to expose that failing but it may be what caught up with him at Florida and it may be catching up with him now in Columbus.

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GladBCSisOver's picture

He looked beaten at the post game press conference.   His basically said we felt prepared but Purdue was too much for us.

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?

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Chicago Connection's picture

Stock up--Fickell, Coombs, Johnson, and Herman. I think we're seeing that these guys were great assistants and they key to winning a National Championship. Unfortunately, they've been replaced by guys with big reputations and much fatter wallets.

It's looking more and more like most of the assistant coaches have outlived their shelf-life, or what we used to call "has beens." They're being paid for what they did years ago rather than what they're doing now.

chicagobuckeye

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crackthewhip's picture

I will always love and support the Buckeyes through thick and thin, but I am seeing a downward spiral that is reminiscent of the 2010 Florida Gators. There is no longer any fight in this dog and Urban is hellbent to not rock the boat and light a fire in his coaches and players. Our defense is just horrible, our offensive line can't run-block my dead grandmother, and so many undisciplined and ill-timed penalties. There seems to be no urgency to change anything, including the employment of our underperforming assistant coaches. Schiano's defensive scheme just does not work, our offensive line play has regressed each week with Studrawa, and our linebackers with Davis are just sh*t. And I will not let the players off the hook either, as our team captains have not stepped up and shown any real leadership qualities. This team has more talent and potential than all of the teams they will play this season and this sinking ship can still be righted, but Urban needs to get his sh*t together and start making some tough decisions that befits his 7M salary, friendships and loyalties be damned! 

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Huskerbuck's picture

It is time for a shake-up in the coaching staff.  Hopefully Urban will see it, put friendship aside and do what is right for the program. Changes at the OL, LB and even DB positions would be helpful.  Still missing Combs!  Any way to pay him well and get him back? 

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D Mac 24's picture

I heard from a friend of mine with some insider scoop that there are much bigger problems than scheme, coaching, experience, etc. the locker room is a mess and not connected with Meyer at all. Lots of motivational tactics are imploding and it sounds like it’s a very negative culture. Not sure what to make if it, but I think we’re in for a very long end to the season. The issues have layers to them that are deeper than we’ll ever know.

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

If you look at Florida and what appears to be happening now with the team and add in the Smith situation it is beginning to look like Meyer for all his coaching and recruiting chops may not have the personality characteristics to successfully maintain a major college football program long term.  I have no doubt it is a difficult job to run a program like OSU's and the make or break issues a HC faces are likely related to personnel decisions and management not X's and O's.  It is easy to say things need to be fixed when the wheels start to fall off, but you have to ask how did we get into the position of having the wheels fall off in the first place.  If you could easily fix it you probably wouldn't have let it happen in the first place.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

At my house.... If the dogs ass stinks, you wash it. Identify the problem and then solve it. In C'bus - look around, suggest you're gonna address it, laugh because you know you're not. Stare with a blank look.......

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Butch_Driveshaft's picture

Well said, and a great analogy

He owes me 260 bucks vacation pay, and he won't fuckin' pay that, so I figured a handful of chips wasn't too much to ask.

 

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GladBCSisOver's picture

OSU had no fight in them.   Purdue had OSU intimidated from before the kickoff.     Purdue lost to Eastern Michigan, 2 and 6 Eastern Michigan.    OSU was outplayed and pushed around by a team that lost to bad MAC team.  

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?

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GladBCSisOver's picture

OSU quit around midway of the forth quarter

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?

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DaiTheFlu's picture

It appeared to me that they quit long before then. Almost as if they just expected to win due to being more talented, but it never happened.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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Bukirob's picture

We're in a VERY dangerous position.  Unlike Iowa last year this group is struggling greatly on BOTH sides of the ball.  This Nebraska game scares me.  We could EASILY end up going 8-4

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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Huskerbuck's picture

Nebraska has had a number of 500+ yard games this year and far better balance than us so we better be ready. Defensive struggles have held them back just like the Bucks.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I'd say you could have shortened the Stock Down to :  Ohio State Football Team and Staff!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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ibuck's picture

IMO, the Quality Control coaches stock is down, or they are being ignored.

Aren't the QC coaches supposed to tell Urban & staff about things that our opponents scouts are seeing? Like when OSU runs the ball player A changes his stance pre-snap, drops his head, etc.

The QC guys should also be telling our guys such things about our opponents. Are they doing so? Is Urban heeding their advice?

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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NOBLUE's picture

i thought i would never see OSU become just an average team in my lifetime...i guess i was wrong...

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RedQueenRace's picture

The Winovich quote was pure Michigan Man.

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buckeyeinWI's picture

Stock up:  Purdue, Eastern *ichigan (they beat Purdue!), LSU, Washington State, Oklahoma, Iowa, Nebraska, MSU-tsun rivalry;

Stock down: every related to OHIO STATE football besides the WR's, and Dwayne Haskins; MSU, TCU; 

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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