Report: “Friction” Between Urban, Athletic Department

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

I knew we weren't going to win Bye Week.

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TheVictoryBell's picture

Fire Gene Smith. He has hurt so many aspects of Ohio State football from the game day atmosphere to the uniforms. 

The BOT needs to step in and fire him. 

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Not to mention the #@$@%& Gator Bowl fiasco in 2011.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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TheVictoryBell's picture

Have you seen our non conference schedule next season? Not one Power 5 team. That’s all on Gene Smith, I don’t want to hear any excuses. The guy is a joke. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Yea...it was genes fault that TCU backed out of the home and home.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Bucks2TheNatty's picture

Dude TCU chickened out and wouldn’t come to Columbus. 

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TheVictoryBell's picture

That’s still on Gene. Other programs don’t have this problem. He should’ve gotten a firm commitment from TCU that they weren’t going to back out. 

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bucks4nuts's picture

here we go... Ppl who have gone to games this season have seen a different UM..

"To The House"

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Theres pretty clearly something wrong. Its apparent even just seeing his body language on the sideline and after games. The product on the field is simply a manifestation of whatever is occurring behind the scenes.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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Urbanologist's picture

Reminds me of the 5-7 Florida team the year urban has his yeast infection and had to quit. I expect the same here. After UM whips our asses in a epic, epic fashion, Urban will retire due to a scheduled hysterectomy. 

Theire is only one truth...

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CincyOSU's picture

Reminds me of the 5-7 Florida team the year urban has his yeast infection and had to quit. I expect the same here. After UM whips our asses in a epic, epic fashion, Urban will retire due to a scheduled hysterectomy.

So happy this epic douche of a post got downvoted into oblivion. Maybe change your name, since you clearly hate the man so much.

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CincyOSU's picture

Reminds me of the 5-7 Florida team the year urban has his yeast infection and had to quit. I expect the same here. After UM whips our asses in a epic, epic fashion, Urban will retire due to a scheduled hysterectomy. 

Seriously, change your name.

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faux_maestro's picture

I've watched Urban. He looks the same to me as hw has since 2015. He's always fidgety and anxious. I really don't get where people are getting this that he looks different.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Well, I've seen and heard many folks agree with me. Remember 2014 "Ohio vs. The world" Urban? Double fist pump against Michigan and Oregon Urban? He hasnt been around since he uttered the words "The chase is complete" in January of 2015. He looks noticeably more nervous and agitated and occasionally frazzled on the sidelines than he has ever before at Ohio State, at least to me.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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Kangarooman's picture

Idk. I would say he's keeled over ever other play instead of every 5th play.

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

Does anyone remember when he turned around and chucked his headset into the benches during... I think the Alabama game? That was awesome. We need that guy back. At least I knew there was life.

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OSUBias's picture

It was so awesome to see in person and the stadium erupted in cheers from our fans. So awesome. 

Braving the long dark of the offseason

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minnbuck's picture

His mileage reimbursement is a month behind.  Come on, Payroll, get it together.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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steve-OH's picture

That was my first thought. 

Anyone can imagine there is friction this season just by watching what's playing out on the field and watching Urban....but the article literally only mentions their names and nothing else - no incidents, no specific disagreements, nothing.

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HowSheGoneEat's picture

I agree. If someone inside the department is talking about frustrations to Football Scoop though, that would be a first, and notable

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Wouldn't be surprised if there was, given the circumstances. Don't see this as any reason for the team to be lacking in so many areas, which is pretty much the only thing on my mind when it comes to OSU football. I haven't read the report yet, but I already don't trust it based on the outlet lol.  

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TeddyKGB's picture

sometimes reputable, sometimes not

99.99% of the time not reputable.

"industry sources" = shit I just made up.

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HowSheGoneEat's picture

Should've put "sometimes reputable, usually not"

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TheVictoryBell's picture

Urban should have friction with Gene Smith. Gene Smith is a complete moron who let Urban take the fall for him in the ZS situation. Not to mention what he’s done to the classic Ohio State uniform. 

Fire Gene Smith Fire Michael Drake. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Not surprising when OSU leadership prioritizes appeasing the mob over loyalty to their own.

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2morrow's picture

Said the same thing when the suspension was announced. If I am UFM, I would be totally pi$$ed, and not forgiving - they trashed his reputation without any real evidence - and that apparently came directly from the President of the university - Drake. There even actually appeared to be evidence that Gene Smith mishandled things. UFM should have been reinstated immediately. If I'm him, the only reason I stay is to collect my $30M now. Make them fire me. But I think UFM is better than I would be. Drake is pc president and needs to go asap. Told the university to start calling me again for donations after drake is fired. Mishandled the Tressel, the band, and wrestling. I see a pc pattern at OSU and am sick of it.

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

and your claim has no evidence either. i still cant find any actual concrete evidence that drake wanted him fired. and yeah, guess what, urban was suspended for keeping a moron on staff who was skipping recruiting events and going to strip clubs. you honestly cant be that stupid.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

No way he should have been suspended for that

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knoxvilleBuckeye's picture

I agree.  The university is being run like a corporation where the football program is just a part of the overall program. Thus, Urban and others were correct when they said that the University is bigger than football.  Now, it is what is best for the Corporation.  At Alabama, the football program remains paramount and is not just part of an overall corporation.

RPeters

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NorthBerg's picture

I agree that the University organization is corporate in nature. The question then becomes who controls that corporation's mission or brand?  The good folks who haunt  11W's servers  are fanatical Ohio State gridiron followers. I would think that most of us would agree that the University's mission is not to win football championships but rather to act as an educational and research institution that benefits the citizens of the State of Ohio. 

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

#firedrake

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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bbb's picture

People call it a mob when they disagree with it, otherwise it's people voicing opinions. If you say "mob" I'm just going to immediately write you off 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Call it whatever you want, its still a group of people publicly lynching Urban Meyer based on false media narratives.  When you cater to idiots like that, you encourage that stupid behavior.

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Arsenal7's picture

It's not a false media narrative lmao. And lynching is probably not the word you want to use here because:

1. He's still alive.

2. He's employed and makes $7.5 million

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

It's not a false media narrative lmao.

So all the media figures freaking out that Meyer enabled and covered up domestic abuse are correct in your opinion?

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bbb's picture

LMFAO this is not remotely a lynching. People who got lynched are no longer alive. And sure as hell no white man is getting lynched anytime soon. Please read some basic history, my friend

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bbb's picture

Downvoters haven't read anything about US history apparently. 

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aj99's picture

It's also an unfortunate figure of speech that is offensive to many.  I don't think the he meant it literally as you did, but rather as it is commonly used today.

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bbb's picture

It's not commonly used to mean anything but what its definition is.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

If Urban leaves I hope Gene is dismissed too.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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BuckWylde's picture

Why . . . 

All progress has resulted from people who took unpopular positions. -Adlai Stevenson, governor, US ambassador

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NashBuckeye's picture

Not a huge Gene Smith fan but he absolutely nailed the BB Coach hire with Holtmann and brought Urban Meyer here. That is assuming he makes the final call on those decisions but I have no reason to think otherwise 

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TheVictoryBell's picture

I could’ve made the Chris Holtmann hire. Any casual watcher of CBB knew he was an up and coming coach. 

Gene Smith almost missed on him and tried to hire Creighton’s coach. Good thing he turned it down. 

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SaltyD0gg's picture

We don't need any more stories that include the words "friction" and "Zach Smith".

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/68ace889-1eb1-4758-a8ec-64d7b730597f 

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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Texbuckbear's picture

Oh, well.  Buckeyes get trounced, The Fighting Fickells go down, the Bengals are the Bengals, and Baker Mayfield finds out what it's like to be a Brownie.

At least there's some good news.

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ponder10's picture

And the Blue Jackets, Crew, and Cavaliers lose too.

“In the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught.” ~ Baba Dioum

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Texbuckbear's picture

In further good news, FC Cincinnati gives the city of Cincinnati it's first playoff win in anything professional since 1995.  I think they're a lacrosse team or something.  

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Even as a Steelers fan, I wanted the Browns to win that one.  But on a 59-yarder?  You’re getting into curse territory with that one. 

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Texbuckbear's picture

Ha!  Yep, a 59-yarder.  Priceless, though, to see this.

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CptBuckeye24's picture

Of course there is friction and still dealing with the fallout of the Smith Scandal. But Herbie's comments and issues amongst the staff are bigger problems. If Urban isn't physically or mentally there, then there's definitely a loss in his leadership and edge. When tension arises when things aren't going well, you need Urban's leadership to resolve the problems.

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Bigmarty's picture

BINGO!!!!!!  And when he is not there to SEE the Problems in THEE formative 5 weeks of the season what should people with common sense and football coaching knowledge and Division 1 coaching experience tell you is going to happen????  His leadership and expertise was missing.  Can't say it is irreparable....but what a mountain to climb..

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chris's picture

What Herbie comments are being referred to here?

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dwcbuckeye's picture

Good, good.  Need of a thorough house cleansing

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Yeah you'll be regretting those words when we're 8-4, 7-5 under Urban's successor. Be careful what you wish for.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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cricejr's picture

Dude I wish I could give you infinity upvotes.  I just cannot fathom the...um, questionable thought process of some people (I'm trying to be more diplomatic and not confrontational). 

I bleed scarlet...literally

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BuckWylde's picture

I'm not being diplomatic at all in saying that I heard the same replies that I see on here when Senator Tress resigned, because I had been calling for change at the top for at least 2 seasons before "Tat Gate". The days of the 28 year tenure are over as 7 and 8 figure salaries have upped the pressure on coaches which has resulted in much quicker burnout than in the Woody days.

Urban shows all the signs of a man whose job is no longer fun (Zach Smith or not). His once potent offense has become passe and predictable and his demand for excellence from players and coaches rings hollow in the ears of 4 & 5 star diva recruits who lend a mere portion of their considerable talents to OSU's turnstile to NFL riches; but the main problem I perceive is what occurs when coaches become stars  whose shine (and the need to maintain it) eclipses that of the programs they oversee, which adds even more pressure to perform, but not necessarily to coach their team as best they can.

 There's a method to the madness of guys like Saban and Belichek who come across as curmudgeons on interviews while keeping on their game faces, so that their players don't ever think they've satisfied 'em. If I was in Meyer's shoes I'd ban my players from wearing earrings until they began to play like men.

All progress has resulted from people who took unpopular positions. -Adlai Stevenson, governor, US ambassador

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BuckWylde sees all and knows all. 

Thats Wylde

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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BuckWylde's picture

I'm not being diplomatic at all in saying that I heard the same replies that I see on here when Senator Tress resigned, because I had been calling for change at the top for at least 2 seasons before "Tat Gate". The days of the 28 year tenure are over as 7 and 8 figure salaries have upped the pressure on coaches which has resulted in much quicker burnout than in the Woody days.

Urban shows all the signs of a man whose job is no longer fun (Zach Smith or not). His once potent offense has become passe and predictable and his demand for excellence from players and coaches rings hollow in the ears of 4 & 5 star diva recruits who lend a mere portion of their considerable talents to OSU's turnstile to NFL riches; but the main problem I perceive is what occurs when coaches become stars  whose shine (and the need to maintain it) eclipses that of the programs they oversee, which adds even more pressure to perform, but not necessarily to coach their team as best they can.

 There's a method to the madness of guys like Saban and Belichek who come across as curmudgeons on interviews while keeping on their game faces, so that their players don't ever think they've satisfied 'em. If I was in Meyer's shoes I'd ban my players from wearing earrings until they began to play like men.

All progress has resulted from people who took unpopular positions. -Adlai Stevenson, governor, US ambassador

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

X2 just to make sure his proficy is heard!

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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Nutinpa's picture
  1.  I had been calling for change at the top for at least 2 seasons before "Tat Gate".

I guess you missed the fact that in 2010, the only team standing between OSU and a NC victory over Auburn, was Wisconsin.....a team which featured a backfield that was bigger than our LB unit and practically bigger than our D line.  It was bigger than our LB unit, cuz Tress (the guy you thought was washed up) was recruiting smaller, quicker LBs like B Rolle.....who stopped everyone that year, except a beast like John Clay.  I will go to my grave believing we would've trucked a Cam Newton-led Auburn team....but alas, we'll never know.   

But as for the rest of your post and theme......have to say......I agree with you. 

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cecsix's picture

People are probably anticipating that we are trending towards 8-4 or 7-5 if Urban stays, as his teams at Florida did as his tenure wore on. It wasn’t a lack of talent there, and it wouldn’t be here. The SEC figured Urban out, he had great assistants leave and failed to replace them with equal leaders, and he let it affect him to the point that he jumped ship.  Throw in the shit show that was the Zach Smith scandal, and now we know that Urban is capable of making dumb hires and refusing to move on from them. That is what is going on here, IMO. There’s “friction” because the staff knows there are weak links, and Urban doesn’t have the balls to fire anybody until there’s no other option. 

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Sanantonefan's picture

A bird in the hand...especially a 3x national champion, is much better than potential winner.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Wyandot Buckeye Fan's picture

Now how do you know OSU would have that number as their record?

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Doesn't surprise me.  Urban has given his life these past years to making Ohio State great.  Then, Drake shit on him.  Urban told the BoT that Smith knew everything and that he didn't deserve a suspension.  So maybe there is bad blood now.  

Take this to the bank. The program is under stress and its 100% caused by that jack ass Drake.  He's an idiot. 

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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LCT's picture

"100% caused by that jack ass Drake"

Scapegoats everywhere, as far as the eye can see.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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McGrind's picture

Blaming the bureaucracy for being a bureaucracy...huh? 

For those who are not clear...Rule #1 of the institution is to protect the institution. Rule #2 is to eradicate anyone who doesn’t abide by Rule #1. (Headphones and bonesaw..ONLY as last resort please.) 

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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cricejr's picture

I don't get why this is so hard to understand.  This is a university; maybe those who have not actually attended get confused, but Drake's responsibility is not to protect the football team.  Maybe some of you folks should root for Baylor, I hear the football team has carte blanche.

I bleed scarlet...literally

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

 Maybe some of you folks should root for Baylor, I hear the football team has carte blanche.

Interesting comparison given there were many victims of the actions of the Baylor Football program, who were the victims Drake was looking out for during his little crusade?

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Of course it isn't. Nor is it his job to institute a jarringly harsh penalty when Meyer followed all the rules.  Drake was more concerned with how the situation would be viewed from the outside than actually admitting Meyer did nothing which should warrant the suspension. 

Maybe some of you should root for cliches and not hit hard on factual matters. 

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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PhillyNut's picture

There is the right way to protect the university and the wrong way.  Throwing people under the bus just to appease the mob is not the right way.  Hindsight being 20/20 there are clearly things Meyer should not have done starting with not hiring Smith to Ohio State.  But when your AD is the one telling you that there is an issue and was informed by the internal AD compliance person how does that become the responsibility of the head coach to then report it to the university's compliance person?  The only reason as the head coach I would have thought it was my responsibility given how I became aware of the situation is if the AD told me that "we do not need the university compliance person sniffing around so lets keep this within the department".  Then I am telling the AD, "sorry but the university person needs to know".  Otherwise I believe the AD and his compliance person has this taken care of.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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kmp10's picture

I don't get why this is so hard to understand.  This is a university; maybe those who have not actually attended get confused, but Drake's responsibility is not to protect the football team.

I attended, and I earned a degree in marketing, but that doesn't mean I have a better understanding of a university president's obligations than someone who didn't attend. As long as we're handing out condescending advice, maybe you shouldn't look down your nose at the people on here who didn't go to OSU in particular, or to college in general. Drake's responsibility is not to protect the football team, you're right about that, but he should feel obligated to go to bat for university employees who are being unfairly persecuted by the national press for things over which the employee has no control, i.e., Courtney Smith's psychotic behavior and the marital problems of an assistant coach. Meyer should have been, and was, called out for keeping Smith on staff long after he should have been jettisoned, but he wasn't admonished for that, he was publicly castigated for allegedly being a monster who looked the other way while his staff member supposedly went home every night and beat his dutiful, meek, innocent wife. That was bullshit, and everybody... the BoT, Drake, Gene Smith, Meyer... knew it, but Drake stood by silently, out of deference to the #movements and the media, while the press terrorized Meyer. In short, Drake is a pussy who's infinitely more concerned with public perception than he is with defending a university employee who's being unfairly abused by a shitty, agenda-driven media. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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2morrow's picture

What he said!!! Upvote 1Mxs

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ARMYBUCK's picture

Kmp 10 for the win!  Spot on, including calling out the ridiculously condescending remark that screams arrogance.

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hetuk2002's picture

A fricking men

Football > Soap Operas

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

Kmp10 - I wish I could upvote you about ten thousand times ten thousand times. 
Right on the Money! 

 

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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Nutinpa's picture

That's a piss poor comparison.    Really piss poor.    There is an 'edit' capability on posts, you know.  smh.......

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I don't get why this is so hard to understand. This is a university; maybe those who have not actually attended get confused, but Drake's responsibility is not to protect the football team. Maybe some of you folks should root for Baylor, I hear the football team has carte blanche.

You serious Clark?

This has got to be one the most asinine, condescending comments I've ever read on here, and I've sparred with MMan over Title IX.

What does attending The Ohio State University have to do with anything? 

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stxbuck's picture

The fact that the football team is an extension of the institution I attended, and NOT the other way around-to the chagrin and butthurt of obsessed non-alums.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

The fact that the football team is an extension of the institution I attended, and NOT the other way around-to the chagrin and butthurt of obsessed non-alums.

For an "alum" you sure do make that anonymous claim a lot; and while assuming you know the backgrounds of random posters?  That doesn't seem very educated.

If I were you, I'd make sure you're not telling any tall tales.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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stxbuck's picture

What claim do I make?  A-That non-alum fans are the sources of many of the dumbest hottakes regarding the football program, and B-there are plenty of alums/employees that have an investment in the institution that has nothing whatsoever to do w/ the state of the Buckeye OL or WR coaching (kudos to an, Hartline in that regard). 

I see plenty of posters on here enraged that their favorite football is having some performance issues-that's fine. To drag those football issues into criticism of an academic institution, or act like OL coaching is the reason for existence of The Ohio State University, is just dumb-and a take I see constantly on 11W. The Browns are a professional football team-that's it. The Reds are a professional baseball team-that's it. The Ohio State University is a world class educational institution that happens to have a very successful football program affiliated with it. Don't expect the tail to wag the dog.

FWIW, your response makes zero logical sense whatsoever, other than the fact that my response hit a nerve regarding some individuals sense of tOSU football's importance in the overall scheme of the university.

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CincyOSU's picture

What claim do I make?  A-That non-alum fans are the sources of many of the dumbest hottakes regarding the football program, and B-there are plenty of alums/employees that have an investment in the institution that has nothing whatsoever to do w/ the state of the Buckeye OL or WR coaching

The claim you make is the ASININE take that "non-alums" are the ones who say stupid shit and only alums truly understand what it's like to be a Buckeye(aside from sports). I have the tell you, the "only alums are true fans" argument is probably the DUMBEST opinion I've heard in all my years of talking sports. The absolute DUMBEST.

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stxbuck's picture

I'm not saying non-alums aren't true Buckeye football fans or don't cheer as hard. I will say that they distort the importance of the football program's place in the scheme of all things relating to The Ohio State University, given as that football Saturdays are the only interest they have in the place if they don't have a kid there or whatnot. I didn't go to UC or Xavier or Wright State-but I'll watch/root for the  sports teams from both schools. I would certainly hope that an alum of said schools would have more of an interest/concern for the schools reputation beyond the gridiron/hoops court than I, as a non-alum would.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

What claim do I make? 

If we're being straightforward, and not trying to spin our own words, you have claimed (anonymously) many times to be an OSU alum, correct?

FWIW, your response makes zero logical sense whatsoever, other than the fact that my response hit a nerve...

You're attacking people for not being OSU alums, without knowing who is an OSU alum, and then preaching about logical sense??  Look at how long your response is.  It's pretty obvious whose nerves were hit.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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stxbuck's picture

I'm attacking people for having dumbass hottakes. If they are an alum, their hottake is even MORE idiotic-I'm giving my fellow alums the benefit of the doubt for understanding how things work at tOSU outside the gridiron/WHAC. Perhaps I am too generous in doing so.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

So what defines a "dumbass hottake?"  And who anointed you as decider of dumbass hottakes?

 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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stxbuck's picture

My own common sense anoints me. Everyone wants to bleat their opinion-but they get mad when others ask them to justify it.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

to the chagrin and butthurt of obsessed non-alums.

Sanctimonious much? 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Sanctimonious much? 

That's kind of his M.O.

Shandy is not beer

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stxbuck's picture

I roll like that sometimes. I see dumbass hottakes, I'll call them out.

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CincyOSU's picture

I see dumbass hottakes

Kind of like your whole "non alums are responsible for most dumb hot takes" line?

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stxbuck's picture

Sorry if you can't realize that being some people's favorite sports franchise is the only lens through which they view The Ohio State University.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

A real true fact is not a scapegoat.  

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

The program is under stress and its 100% caused by that jack ass Drake.  He's an idiot. 

1000% correct!!

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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ohiopanda's picture

Urban is a top paid football coach, nothing more and nothing less. Zach Smith is the jackass that put the program under stress, and Urban knowingly kept that jackass on staff. Did he or Gene Smith deserve a suspension? Maybe, maybe not, but it’s over and who cares. But if he can’t get over a three game suspension, take care of himself, and competently perform his job, then Urban should leave. As much as I dislike Drake, he wasn’t the reason for Urban’s suspension and isn’t the reason the program is supposedly having problems

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Why would Meyer get a punishment for keeping Zach Smith on staff?  What law did he break?  What rule did he break?  You, like all the other complainers, needed some flesh off of Meyer but you really can't say why.  

Drake is the SOLE reason the staff is having friction.  Drake is the SOLE reason for Urban's suspension, when it was not warranted.  Urban's suspension is why he is salty.  

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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faux_maestro's picture

Urban broke no laws but you're delusional to think that he did nothing wrong. He knew Zach Smith was a knuckle head. Urban's boss told him to get rid of Zach Smith years ago and Urban didn't. Urban/Gene Smith/Drake have a responsibility to the university and the state of Ohio and every alumnus to protect the reputation of the university. Urban didn't uphold his end of that bargain by keeping that moron on his staff. And don't give me that shit about law, you don't have to break any law to get fired. Be a jackass at your job, don't show up for work reportedly, be an out of control addict and see what happens at your job.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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ohiopanda's picture

You apparently need some flesh off of Drake for not having a "football first mentality" at a school. You're a fool if you think Drake was the only one with a vote interested in suspending Urban. Zach Smith is definitely not someone I would want representing Ohio State football and coaching players on/off the field, whether or not he's a criminal. Surprising when people think a 3 week suspension to a guy they pay 7+ million a year is harsh when he hires and keeps a moron like that on a college staff.

And again, it's been a month or so since the suspension ended - get over it and stop sulking along the sideline. Instead, he's dragging the circus along. As Urban used to say, E+R=O. O could've been much better, before or after the suspension based on his personal R.

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SEQUOIA473's picture

Chic'sGhost,

I'm just wondering when Drake is going to reimburse the State of Ohio 500k for wasting money on an investigation when he already had his mind made up. The ONLY thing Meyer is guilty of is a bad hire. Drake needs to go back to California and take Teflon Gene with him. They both threw their employee under the bus and I cannot blame Meyer for potentially wanting to get out of town. 

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2morrow's picture

Wrong - Drake was the MAIN reason UFM was suspended.  F Drake.

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ohiopanda's picture

Got it - the board is controlled by Drake, not vice versa. Makes sense. And Urban shouldn't be held accountable for his own mistakes that reflect poorly on and damage the program and university. 

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TeddyKGB's picture

I think the friction comment is bullshit.

To me, Urban doesn't seem different on the sideline.  What does seem different?

Very little player leadership.  No sense of urgency from players. Urban clearly missing having a running QB to use as his safety net.

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bucks4nuts's picture

Shouldnt have to miss a running QB...

"To The House"

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Should adjust the offense for not having a running QB.

Class of 2010.

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OSUFlash's picture

^^^^^ THIS what Teddy said.

osuflash

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BuckAlum09's picture

If only we had 2 separate 1,000 yard rushers to re-create said safety net... Or an OLine averaging 6'5" 300lbs... Or a pass first QB very willing to simply hand the ball off instead of having to decide whether or not he should...

*Siiggghh*

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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Crumb's picture

Preach BuckAlum09! 

There is nothing wrong with handing the ball off immediately out of the shotgun/spread. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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PhillyNut's picture

I think McMurphy is at it again. He is the source.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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oztintacius's picture

Because Smith was a $#@!ty coach kept on solely because of nepotism.

Urban looks like a guilty man walking to me... no joy on that sideline.

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smith288's picture

I have no idea who the leader(s) of this team is on the field.  I would assume it's Haskins or maybe Weber but I don't think so based on their presence.  Very little fire when on the field.  That's a huge problem. 

The down vote is a mighty tool. Use it on idiots, not differing opinions.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Honestly, I think it was #97.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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smith288's picture

I dont want to bust Nick's balls and I totally agree with his decision but I don't think an on the field leader would leave. I never thought of him as the leader.  

The down vote is a mighty tool. Use it on idiots, not differing opinions.

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IH8UOFM's picture

Been expecting a report like this....kinda shocked it took until Monday afternoon

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kmp10's picture

Meyer's entire history has been that he has one foot out the door wherever he's been. In addition, when things started to get tough at Florida, Meyer's exit was VERY odd and drawn-out. Things are tougher at Ohio State right now than they've been at any point in Meyer's tenure, and by a wide margin. From the outside looking in, he seems to be lost, unmotivated, and dumbfounded that his solutions so far aren't the answers they need, and his team appears to be an apathetic mess. There are two reactions Meyer could have regarding the season to this point... pissed off and determined to fix what's wrong, OR sad, withdrawn, and saying what he needs to say in order to get to the end. Again, from the outside looking in, it appears that Meyer has chosen the latter. This team's problems go FAR beyond the problems any Ohio State team under Meyer has experienced, and it isn't even remotely close. His heart, for lack of a better word, doesn't appear to be in it anymore, and that's a bad sign if you want Meyer to stay on, as most of us do. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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BeatMeechigun's picture

I think 2012 was far tougher.  He took a team with a losing record and transformed them into a 12-0 winner with nearly EVERY game being a stressful battle with a weak defense.

2018 brought about the Smith mess, but otherwise EVERY goal is still in reach.  Somewhere our fans got it in their heads that 2018 was "run the table, beat Alabama and win it all or BUST" season.  Say all you want about sky-high expectations being reasonable, but OSU has had the same expectation of winning a NC damn near every year since 1968 and only accomplished that 2x since that '68 season.  It is amazingly difficult to win a NC and even for the most elite program in CFB history (Alabama 2009-2017) it takes a ton of luck most years (2011, 2012, and 2017 all fall into that category for the Tide).

It has been almost a decade since the Tide have run the table.  For some reason that gets lost on so many of our fans and we set expectations that are higher than even what the Tide have achieved the last decade.

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kmp10's picture

I think 2012 was far tougher. 

This is all opinion, so I'm certainly not saying you're wrong, but I strongly disagree. 2018, so far, has included Meyer, his program, and the university being lambasted in the national press for a month, Meyer facing a potential termination, a captain and THE team leader calling it a career, which is fine, but then completely divorcing himself from the program in the middle of a difficult season and washing his hands of his teammates, an o-line that is as apathetic and soft as any in recent OSU history, an offense that is as one dimensional as any in college football, a defense that is regularly gashed by the opposition, can't tackle, won't fill gaps, and won't physically challenge receivers, and no one inside the WHAC seems to have the answers. There was no pressure in 2012 relative to the pressure and expectations that exist now. They were banned from a bowl game before the first kickoff, they were coming off a six win season, and Meyer was in year one of building his program... if there was ever going to be a season where he would be given a longer leash it was 2012. What's more, if you want to make Alabama comparisons and talk about how long it's been since they've gone undefeated, then we should also talk about how long it's been since Saban's team has had its doors blown off by anyone, because never is a long time. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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hetuk2002's picture

And it was a small miracle we beat Purdue that year too. Listen to Kenny G's Songbird and the last minute of that game and watch the magic of Kenny G with less than a minute to operate a field, it's the closest thing to listening to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon and Wizard of Oz after the third lion's roar in the MGM intro.

Football > Soap Operas

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sanbuckeye's picture

Funny thing is I'll take that weak 2012 defense over 2018 every day of the week. Zach Boren was forced into MLB duties because of all the injuries that year and played better than any of our current MLBs. Come to think of it, wouldn't mind seeing him at fullback showing these guys how to actually block for a running play.

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stxbuck's picture

Good post, agree w/ your take regarding Meyer's psyche.

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Keze's picture

When you lack talent up the middle on both sides of the ball  it is hard to win.

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Maka's picture

Typically 4 & 5 stars are more talented than 2 & 3 stars. Cant blame talent. 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Meyer has seemed disinterested in this season from the moment he returned. I don't know for sure what is going on behind the scenes, but I'm not expecting him to be there beyond this season, and would be absolutely shocked if he's there in 2020.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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OSUFlash's picture

Meyer will not bail unless it's for health reasons. He wants another Championship just as bad as we do and I predict it'll happen very soon.

osuflash

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McGrind's picture

Right and where would he go to get one? SEC no, BIG West no, ACC no, TX and Okie good thxs, ND back. USC better fit for Day or other QB passing guru. 

OSU still easiest path to CFP. 

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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aj99's picture

Pac 12.  Great weather.  Weak teams.

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BrutusB's picture

Part of me wants him to go to a random ass school like Arizona State just to see how much impact a coach can have on changing a program.  Just like how I want Saban to ease into retirement at his alma mater (Kent State).

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Wyandot Buckeye Fan's picture

Really! Well then he better get with it and hold people accountable for shitty coaching including him. And I don't want to see anymore 55 - 24 and 49 - 20 scores against BFE teams.

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JarheadBuck's picture

Well, shit..why didn't you say so before.  Coaches and team didn't want to have 2 blowout losses in back-to-back years, but UM thought "I guess if that's what Wyandot wants...okay."

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I guarantee he will not win one with Studrawa and Davis still on staff. 

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Nutinpa's picture

Eh....I hate to be a dick.....but when, exactly?  

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Buckeyes17's picture

I just want to know if he had his normal press conference today and what was said there...

"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I'd say after the Purdue game there's starting to be friction between Meyer and some of the fanbase. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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hetuk2002's picture

There were about 16 meltdowns during the Tressel year's too and after 10 years some people got their wish. If the last 17 years have indicated anything is that we are really poor in accepting defeat. Sometimes changes in personnel are not good, Miami, Nebraska, Michigan, Tennessee and many others would trade for our recent success in a heartbeat. I do hope schematics are worked out, because that seems to be the biggest area of concern outside of injuries

Football > Soap Operas

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Turban Meyer's picture

I can't fathom why Gene Smith is still employed. Oversaw the Tressel debacle, and now this shizzshow.  

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aj99's picture

Now there's a great question.  And perhaps that question lies at the heart of said "tension".  

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Maka's picture

Multiple national titles from multiple sports. Generating millions and millions of $$. Thats why he is still employed.

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Probably because Football isn't the only sport in the athletic department.  And if you view the athletic department as a business (which is a fair take), then his resume is incredibly strong.  If you view it as an athletic program and not a business, then his resume is also incredibly strong.  If you view it only as a football program, then, even pointing to Tatgate and the Zach Smith situation, then all you need to look at is Michigan's last decade to know that his resume is also incredibly strong.

That's why Gene Smith hasn't been fired.

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Maka's picture

I gonna get downvoted by Im still gonna get this out. There is zero team leadership and that starts with coaches. I know the players publicly supported Nick. Publicly many people "do and say the right thing", its politics 101. But dont think for 1 second that many on this team did not feel let down. No one wants to get hurt. And now we have an entire team playing not to get hurt. Started seeing signs of it weeks ago....as if they already knew Nick threw in the towel. Coaches need to stop making NFL players a priority and start focusing on week to week games. As great as Haskins is, he needs to find emotion and grit so the other players can build off of it. I cant stand Urbans body language the past few years. And lately he simply sounds like a puppet when he opens his mouth. "I dont know but we gotta fix it" week after week after week. 

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JTstan16's picture

After Dwayne threw that pick-6, he was on the bench with his head down. That pretty much summarized everything. We lack leaders.

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PhillyNut's picture

Other than Mayfield having the shocked look on his face as that winning field goal went through the uprights he was fired up the whole game exhorting the Browns to push on. On that final td drive you could read his lips saying "one more time, one more time". Right now this team needs someone like that. Haskins has that opportunity now to be the rallying point. Hope he is up to it because I don't see anyone else who can do it.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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I am Kirok's picture

To be fair that made it 49-20, I don't think going all "rah-rah" at that point was going to help.

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VFA83Buckeye's picture

I still think this team can win the big games ahead in ttun & the B1G Championship. Coming off a loss into a bye week may give the staff and team more time to stay out of the media, as well as get coached up in our glaring weaknesses.

I just wonder if we have enough time to replace our LBs Coach & replace him with someone who is capable of coaching up a LB Unit. Schiano has to take some blame too...

Wins & time will cure a lot, but recruiting is taking a hit this year that is for sure! Go Bucks!!

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OhioStGoon's picture

Well OSU is for damm sure playing like it's "friction" inside and just outside the program and that ain't something that's going to get fixed anytime soon especially with the stubborn people supposedly involved...

GO BUCKS

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

Some of the team's current struggles may be the result of Urban missing the entirety of fall camp and the first three games.  It is now too late to fix the problems, resulting in what we all saw at Purdue on Saturday.  This probably kills Urban, and because the nonsense suspension was Drake's fault, I could picture Urban having a lot of contempt towards him.  So yeah, I could totally believe there is "friction".

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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faux_maestro's picture

Ok, what's the excuse for many of the same issues especially on defense popping up the previous 2 years?

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

Good point.  That's why I said "some" of the issues and not "all".

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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bd2999's picture

There is next to nothing in that article. Herbbie is making comments but has no inside sources. I will say that Meyer has looked better but I am not willing to run out on a limb and make any sort of comments. 

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Brutus_Bully's picture

Urban just looks tired to me.

I do not at all have the mind of a bully... in my mind bullies are intolerant of contrary opinion, domineering and rather cowardly.

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libera's picture

Were there not weeks ago rumblings that Meyer felt that he was not backed by either the Athletic Department or the University Administration? Urban stated repeatedly that during all his dealings with the Smiths, he did what was required of his position and that  was verified by the independent investigation. Maybe I missed it but I never heard any support for Meyer from either Gene or the University President. Is it not safe to say that Meyer took 95% of all the undeserved negativity. I do not know if this report of friction is true, but it would not surprise me if there is some truth to it.  

libera

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hetuck's picture

Guess we'll know when 11W FOIA's next year's performance appraisal. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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andretolstoy's picture

Well. I'm just going to fly into Columbus and pull a Jimmy Chitwood. "If coach goes, then I go." "If I stay, coach stays" 

That'll fix everything lickity split 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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andretolstoy's picture

Seriously. I think it'd be nice if Tress became AD. 

I'm a bad boy. The first thoughts that came to my head when Meyer started talking about headaches was that he was building his case to leave again. That would stink if that's the case. That and I think this is Marvin Lewis's last year as well..

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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TkeBuck's picture

oh my god...,:i hope you're not insinuating you want marvin lewis at ohio state if he leaves the bengals. the apocalypse for sure!

jt

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bdbrown66's picture

Maybe there's friction because Gene has been watching the games, too.

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pall bearer's picture

it's about time for urban to have another heart attack isn't it? Maybe quit coaching for a year  work for  espn and then notre dame will have had about enough of brian kellley's  under performing seasons and urban will step into his real dream job.

tackle dummy

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Hovenaut's picture

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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mittenst8buck's picture

Is Notre Dame undefeated and right in the playoff hunt or did I miss something?

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Crumb's picture

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Oh shit, MAYBE Zach Smith was pulling the puppet strings the whole damn time?????

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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BeaverOhioBuckeye's picture

This story is picking up steam. Shit is about to hit the fan.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Is it being reported somewhere else?

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Herbstreit's comments are notable after Meyer collapsed on the sideline during an Oct. 6 victory over Indiana, per Steve Helwagen of 247Sports. The head coach pointed to a headache he suffered during the game as the cause.

 I would put no stock in this.

As I recall, Urban said he collided with someone on the sideline and they banged heads.

Even if what he's saying is true, the part where he misrepresents Urban going down as a "collapse", speaks to a desired narrative.

Plus, Bleacher Report...

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Bleacher Report is the National Enquirer of sports sites.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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RMLogic's picture

It is obvious that Meyer's health now is in question. That should be the priority not the supposed friction between the ahole President or clown AD. 

I hope his family demands he give up coaching and get his health right. His millions is not worth ruining his life. Bob Stoops knows this. In this day and age of spoiled prima donna football players and scum bag media jerks and fan bases like OSU that spew hatred over a loss in a sport that will be outlawed in the future Meyer should make priorities to his family, grandkids and enjoy his retirement.

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Eph97's picture

He's getting paid $7.5 million a year. That's more than Belichick makes. A LOT of people would take on the "stress" of coaching football for that chunk of change.

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

I would enjoy it if you retired your asinine opinions from 11W.

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buckeyenut74's picture

How many times can teflon Gene survive?

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SEQUOIA473's picture

Exactly. Meyer has now worked for two AD's who IMO are great at deflecting blame and not taking responsibility. Look at Jeremy Foley's time at UF. I can't stand Muschamp but that fiasco wasn't all on Meyer or Muschamp. Foley skated free and clear of all of it just like Smith. 

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DonTurner's picture

I wonder why the press never attacks other successful coaches ?   Kinda getting tired of this chit.

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Nutinpa's picture

To be fair....they have. 

The media has skewered Jim Harbaugh.   They have had Brian Kelly fired at ND at least 3 times.  Who else?

Hugh Freeze hired hookers.  Nice.   Rick Pitino is gone at Louisville. 

What are they going to say about Dabo Swinney?  That they are tired of his Mayberry RFD schtick?  Who is that offending?

Nick Saban?  What is the medai going to say?  "Hey, Nick: stop being a dick!"    Yeah, that'll work.

The press attacked Urban Meyer and Ohio State cuz he gave them a reason to, and the institution he represents, left him out to hang. 

That's why.  

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coachlehew's picture

Talk is cheap show me improvement ! If Urban isn't coaching offense or defense maybe he could act like he is involved in and cares about the game ?????? Or stay in press box !!!!! 

Coachthl68

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Not sure why anyone would be surprised by this. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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osu992's picture

Finally got around to actually clicking on the link. I see why this looks like a link and run. These comments have better analysis and sourcing than the "article."

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Rascall's picture

This is a thread full of speculation fueled by he said, he looks and so on. Certainly some of this speculation will pan out but none here really knows what's going on behind the scenes.
Take a deep breath and step back, all will eventuality be brought to the surface in time.
This thread has worn me out!!!

From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.

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lamplighter's picture

This is a forum post from a site member. It does not represent the views of Lamplighter LLC unless otherwise noted.

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Osu1997rk's picture

A loss is terrible but happens. What worries me is what's wrong with UM?  He went down to a knee with a headache that is not normal.  I hope he takes care of himself and makes the position coach changes if needed.  

One man that has a mind and knows it can always beat ten men who haven't and don't.

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Kujo247's picture

I do believe he looks different on the sideline this season but I think it's just massive frustration.  I don't believe he feels he should have been suspended (he's frustrated).  I don't think he likes the offensive product he sees on the field (way too much passing, an immobile QB, no running attack due to no run blocking) and he's frustrated.  I don't think he likes the defensive back seven's growth/performance and that means he can't be happy with his wedding best man or his friend who's the defensive coordinator.

In my prior job I hired a guy who was probably my best friend to be my assistant director.  It was EXTREMELY difficult to kick him in the ass when I needed to get him going because of the friendship "thing."  I think UFM is there with Davis, Schiano, and Wilson.

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bucksandsurfing's picture

If Urban's feelings are hurt from Drake and the Zach Smith investigation, would rather see him resign than be a shell of himself going forward.  Something is going on when an ex-player (Laurintas) has to point out obvious flaws of this defensive scheme.  Why didn't Urban notice the flaws and address the problem with defensive coaches?   Really, an ex-player who's not on the payroll needs to point it out?  

Something is seriously wrong with this coaching staff.  Not sure what's going on.        

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BME_Buckeye's picture

Can we calculate the coefficient of kinetic friction? What is the normal force opposed the athletic program? How much of a push in the right direction does the program need to overcome it. Sounds like a physics problem to me.

Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.

 

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

I think he just knows he fucked up hiring some of the guys he has on his staff. Stud, Davis need to go. Schiano stayed a year to long. Grinch has brought nothing to that secondary except poor angles. His loyalty will be his demise if he don't clean house this winter.

22 Saturdays till kickoff

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FTWinfrey08's picture

Stud was great in the eyes of fans just a year ago(few weeks actually). I remember a time when fans wanted Luke Fickell, Coombs and Herman gone. It’s really becoming a joke around these parts. 

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

I never thought he was great, linemen that were freshman and sophomores under the previous regime carried his ass now we are just about out of them. Same thing gos at linebacker ran out of fickle guys now we look like complete trash.

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Texbuckbear's picture

Too bad UFM will wait that long to clean house, if he does at all.  Nothing will change much without a major shake-up, especially on defense.  Without a shake-up, I'm not sure they can even get past The Fighting Fickells next year and it'll be Northwestern 42 OSU 17 at Evanston.

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buckeyewalt's picture

I think that he knows that he has coaches that aren't doing the job. That said with him beings friends with them, he's having a hard timeto think of way to gat rid of them. Davis only has a 1 year contract, so I see him leaving. Schiano will leave, and probably Wilson. The Grinch experiment is not working out well so far however UM has 800,000 reasons to talk to him and give him 1 more year. Stud will also be encouraged to leave (BG coaching job?) or what else but encouraged to leave. UM knows that he has to make changes and is struggling to figure out how is that best way to do it. I think that the loss actually help him define what is wrong with the team.

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GIBS_STI's picture

The friction being he wants to leave coaching.

Fortune favors the bold.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

My assumption is that both Urban and Gene are pros and if there is bad feelings, hopefully it's not getting in the way of their jobs.

I just wish the focus was back on the team. Let's get ready for Nebraska.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Hiring Marcus Freeman as linebackers coach would be a good first step with the defense. Schiano must be fired or pushed out. He cannot be here anymore. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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UpIrons's picture

First thing that comes to mind for me is that report where a fellow member of the AD team kind of threw Urban under the bus for asking about how to change his iphone settings to delete old texts. The fact that that made it into the OSU report and, of course, into the media, probably showed Urban that he cannot trust those around him. If anything leads to friction, that would be it for me. 

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deflection's picture

Let's not forget that when Gene Smith was asked if he was knew about Z Smiths arrest in FL when he hired he said no. Not telling Gene about Zach Smiths past up front is sketchy to me.

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Trout dog's picture

This story about friction has to be complete bull. There were no sources and no specifics. Think about it, what would be driving any friction between Urban and Gene? Is Gene suggesting defensive adjustments? My guess is that these two barely have a need to communicate with each other just like any other time in their relationship.

Trout Dog

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neo's picture

Guys, we just lost by 29. If there WASN'T friction I'd be concerned. Get fucking pissed, Urban. Get pissed, admin. If they were just "business as usual" I'd be thoroughly disappointed. I hope they're angry. I hope they're yelling at each other. I hope they're hashing out this bullshit so we can make necessary changes.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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LCT's picture

God damn right. It's time to break shit & set it on fire. Complacency is a killer.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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neo's picture

I'm not sure who downvoted you, Laments Complacency Tolerance. Obviously something needs to be adjusted with this team. I love 'em and I don't mind having problems for a few games as we figure out the scheme that best fits this team - and I don't even mind a loss if it inspires growth - but I'd hope they are angry AF, and I'd hope they are using that anger to make some changes, even if they're unpopular changes.

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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northernchild's picture

I’m not sure why so many people are freaking out about Urban’s “health”. He has an arachnoid cyst that’s been well documented. Cysts are extremely common and basically the worst out come is a headache (usually brought on by stress) which is what he deals with. He can probably have another procedure to drain it in the offseason if needed.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

"There's friction"...what kind of friction?  What is it?  Details!  These goofy websites will run any type of vague bullshit to get views.  They sound like wrestling dirt sheets suggesting certain rumors, and then they're not specific or it's an opinion that they have that they think something can or will happen.

I can believe in friction between Urban and the higher ups over the Courtney Smith saga.  Yes, that is all done and over with, and nobody's really even talking about it anymore.  Still, could be some hard feelings if Urban feels like he didn't deserve the 3 game suspension he had to serve.  Maybe it did throw things off with this team more than we may have anticipated.  It's easy to not notice various issues (on and off the field) until you eat a loss.  

Class of 2010.

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stxbuck's picture

Urban doesn't play well w/ others above him/institutional culture of universities. He has a very Cartmanesque attitude towards any attempts at influencing from outside the walls of the WHAC, namely "Don't question my authoritah"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

The grapevine says UFM has one coach that he doesn't even speak to.......Didn't name names however.....

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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IH8UOFM's picture

My mind is going a million miles a minute thinking about this one...

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osu992's picture

It'll be the one he hugs when hoisting the B1G Championship Trophy

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

The grapevine says UFM has one coach that he doesn't even speak to.......Didn't name names however.....

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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buckbornbred's picture

How would you feel if you paid him that much money and get got blown out by unranked teams two years in a row? It's not a good investment, and it's not a good look.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

This is laughable from a laughable writer. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

laughable from a laughable writer

Thats exactly how this whole mess started over the summer too.

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Buctor's picture

Good lord!

Just heard it said that Drake has gone to the board and announced his intention to move Coach Meyer to admin in the Athletic Department and take over the head coaching position.  This statement comes from a person with an extremely high opinion of his own opinions.

Also heard Coach Meyer will be at ND next year?

And something about Saban coming to Ohio State too.  Misses the Big Ten!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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longstb's picture

It’s one loss.  Albeit a very bad one.  Let’s pump the brakes for a few minutes and see how this team adjusts during a well needed break.  Urban is not headed to the trash heap anytime soon.  He’s a great coach with a ton of pride and love for the university.  

He won’t do anything to hurt his reputation or the reputation of Ohio State.  A place we all claim to love.

I think we would all agree that changes need to be made...scheme and probably personnel.  I’d bet money that happens.  I don’t think the game has passed him by; he’s in his mid 50’s for crying out loud.  

Does loyalty cloud his judgement at times -yes - but is he one hell of a football coach and a proven winner?  YES That’s not even a debate.

We could do a hell of a lot worse than having Urban Meyer as our coach. I see the same things and have the same frustrations that everyone is complaining about. Is he a fraud like Finebaum claims - HELL NO.

My prediction is that our staff gets things turned around and we win the games that we need to so that the game with TTUN at the end of November is an epic!  We have too much talent to piss this season away.

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elitesmithie's picture

So I have been thinking about it the last few weeks and outside of the whole Smith situation this summer I think the real issue is Saban won another title. For most of his career Urban has been the best at what he does and he has always been able to achieve most active titles. However now that Saban has distanced himself I think it caused a but of panic on how he will catch up. Just my opinion. 

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Big 'Ole Buck's picture

Dude... use the sarcasm font thing.... You are gonna give someone a heart attack with your wonderments.   

Be pissed off as you want at Drake, Gene and the BOT but in the end, it's the dudes calling the shots in practice every day that have made this team into what it is today.  As someone said earlier, Bosa flat-out bolting away from the program should have been a huge red flag to most of us that things were bad.  

Haskins doesn't seem to have the "leader" mentality that so many are expecting from him.  He's quiet, and at times seems to be a loner.  He needed picked up after the pick 6, and there wasn't a whole lot of guys willing to do that for him.  See....that's a problem right there because I get the sense that there is a mentality on this team of "well, I didn't fuck this up, so it ain't my fault..." and "Nick went to get his, and I'm going to go get mine, and that ain't gonna happen by going full bore for some broke-dick team that ain't going nowhere..." 

Ahhh the age-old argument ensues:  Recruit top level talent from all over the Country to Columbus in hope of winning National Titles to further lift Urban Meyer up towards the pinnacle of College football coaching legend but risk a mentality similar to that of UK hoops (yes, it IS a good analogy) where growing pains are real, and there is a lack of team pride because in the end, everybody wants to get paid and going to OSU helps to make that happen.....OR.......try to do more with less in regard to talent (forcing fundamental development in the early years) and enduring 8-4/9-3/10-2 seasons with the occasional (once per 15 years) run for a title but yet have teams that are welded together as brothers because they've earned every win or loss with the sweat off their balls because deep down they just aren't as talented as other recruits....

I'll take the latter.  Y'all been duped.  UFM did to OSU what he also did to BGSU and UF.  BGSU football has been a dumpster fire (with one or two years as exceptions) since Meyer left for Utah.  Florida?  LOLOLOLOL....yeah, right.  They are done FOREVER.  The lone exception is Utah, but even they had to pull themselves up out of the dirt for a few years once he left, and have now returned to relative anonymity on the national scale.  

I've read this book, seen the movie, and have watched the fall out.  The only thing we are missing at OSU is for players to be involved in off the field BS.  Think that won't take long to happen?  The product on the field on Saturdays isn't focused.  What do you think is happening OFF the field these days?  Tick tock....waiting for the other shoe to drop.  

It's time to move on.  One way or the other.  Health, stress, or future employment option...whatever.  It's time for UFM to be gone.  He should have lost his job this summer.  Being allowed to return to his job was probably the absolute worst thing that could have happened for OSU football.  

Y'all can be pissed at Drake.  Gene Smith.  BOE.  Media.  You know who pisses me off?  UFM.   

Go Bucks!

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CincyOSU's picture

OM fuggin G. Are you seriously comparing Urban Meyer to John Callipari? Are you SERIOUSLY saying your would be OK with being an 8-4 team most year IF, IF we maybe had a chance for an NC every 15 years?

Some of you need your heads examined. You are the EXACT kind of fan from other teams we make fun of when they go in full meltdown mode after a loss.

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bd2999's picture

Bingo. I think too many think that you trade out any coach and you do as well as OSU has been doing. Meyer is a good coach. Just the talent alone ensures a bad year for this team is two losses but most years are a loss.

Not saying the team is beyond fault this year or last but perspective would be nice. We see teams like Michigan struggle for years before starting to find their way. Same with Texas and so on. Being a big name school does not promise success, it is just one part of the puzzle. At least to make sure you are a power year to year .

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Big 'Ole Buck's picture

LOL...am I wrong?  Tell me again how there isn't a "me first" mentality on these OSU teams?  Exactly like what Calipari fosters at UK.  Nobody is making fun of those who can see the forest for the trees.  The gig is up bro....

Go Bucks!

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buckeyewalt's picture

Like WW would always preach, APATHY, avoid it like a plague. It even existed when he was a coach.

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