Except if Urban wanted to retire he could have negotiated something during the Zach Smith drama and received a large chunk of the $38 million he was owed. He would have made a ton of money AND the university would have had better PR.
IF he were to just retire after the season he is owed nothing. I can't see the logic in doing it then vs in July.
He could have not wanted to retire because it then would have looked like he just wanted to dodge all the problems and not answer, making him look even more guilty of what he was being accused of.
Yea but having that scandal, then a sub-par year (by his standards) and THEN retiring isn't exactly like he stuck it out and put it all behind him.
And while I think he cares about his reputation, he's not giving up $20+ million just to try to protect his image.
Plus, Urban has always been about winning and losing. Yes, negotiating for a large buyout would have been a win, but I believe he truly thought he was getting out of that mess with a slap on the wrist. And what's money to him anyway. He has plenty. I'm not saying I agree with the OP, but I've heard some rumblings of something similar to this (I'm not saying I agree with the rumblings either).
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
If this were true, I think his reasons for not leaving prior to the season could involve a lot more than money. Maybe he didnt want to turn his back on the players. In his mind, by staying, he gives them a good example as to how to handle a bad situation. He also might just want to create as smooth of a transition as possible for day/outside hire. Also, I never fully understood why Day was made the interm when Schiano is far more qualified. I doubt the crap tenn fans brought up could have influenced the decision whether to make a guy an intem for three games or not. It could also explain how much recruiting has cooled off. I dont know what the recruiting experts on 11w are saying but maybe Meyer isn’t as involved in it as recruits might expect a HC to be. We could speculate for weeks but we’ll know at the end of the year.
If the hypothesis is reasonably accurate then he may have also agreed to stay to not disrupt recruiting during the season.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
If he retires, he'll get a golden parachute.
Dude. This is a lot of speculating and to use your words, wondering and theorizing.
Well I guess since I'm posting on an internet forum, and not an insider or reporter, that's exactly what it is.
Wow. You nailed it Sherlock.
Thank you, Watson. No need to get all defensive, OP. Oh wait, unless you can suit up at linebacker or free safety. We could use it.
Sherlock Holmes would make an excellent field safety.
If John Watson understands gap responsibility maybe he deserves a look at lb.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
Bring in Watson for a look. Wish I were kidding.
Just can not see this.
What I saw from the offense the HC in waiting may not be the way to go.
Unless it was the current HC that was influencing the game plan on offense. Cannot recall a single RPO when Day was HC that Haskins actually ran. That has certainly changed since Meyer returned.
This this this. Been saying it everywhere, but to me, it is very obvious that Urban still has the final say in play calling.
Yeah Urban's first game back suddenly Parris Campbell blows up and we start hearing about "a concerted effort" to get so-and-so the ball.
They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.
Not sure if this is sarcasm so don't know how to respond. But I mean we do still have uber talented athletes so of course SOMEONE could go off
Not not not. People act like the coaches have 2 1/2 minutes between each play to discuss options. There's only 40 seconds. Maybe he influences prior to games, but, but the way he goes on and on about Ryan Day leads me to believe otherwise. What, he gave Tom Herman (from Iowa State) all of the leeway in the world, but doesn't trust an NFL guy in Ryan Day? I dont buy that at all.
We've been running RPOs all season.... it's not "ROP" (read option pass).
He did run the one for a TD when he saw TCU was crashing down.
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
Had this been the case, Urban would have negotiated an end in July amid the Smith drama. I believe he not only desired to continue in this role, but passionately expressed his desire to do so amid that mess.
Does Urban look more stressed? Yes. But that's a given if you compare a celebratory image of him from 2014 to seeing him frustrated and distraught at underperformance in 2018.
I too have a haunting suspicion Urban may walk away after this season. Just getting the vibe that he is miserable out there. In years past when a unit was under performing he had that anger and fire in him. This year I'm seeing a lot of running his hand through his hair and thousand yard stares. That's totally just my opinion though; and I could be way off base.
But I also don't think that there was any talk of this back during the summer-nonsense. It wouldn't shock me if the administration had some conversations about what to do if Urban was fired or quit during the chaos; but I don't think there was any one year plan with a transition.
If Urban knew statue Haskins as his QB would have made him this "miserable", he would never have recruited him.
Although I'm completely neutral on this topic (not believing one way or the other) I would say recruiting would have a considerable impact on the timing of any of these scenarios.
From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I shall not put.
Stevie, you wanna bet $1000 on your "theory"? ALSO, the QB in waiting's play calling isn't standing up against above average opponents.
That would be Urban's playcalling, which to me, is pretty obvious that he is still in control. Obviously, I have no insider knowledge but this looks exactly like the playcalling from the JT years just with a QB who isn't and shouldn't be running. I know there's a system in place and complete overhaul isn't expected, but I seriously doubt that Day truly has full play-calling duties. Just look at how much slower they get plays in and line up compared to the first three games when the only thing Day ever talked about was playing faster and faster.
Look to see who on the sideline is holding all of the play calling cheat sheets and who doesn't. Day has fist fulls, Urban doesn't. Obviously Day is doing the play calling.
Day may have the cards but urban has the ear
If Urban is in control of play-calling OSU doesn’t throw the ball 70 times over 3 games, let alone in 1 game. To me, the defense is a far greater concern, and my theory is Schiano has some saltiness from not getting his HC job this past offseason which is leading to him “just trying to get through the season”. But what do I know?
Oooooh. The anonymous forum poster internet bet challenge. Sounds tempting.
"Toitrt Paper"....I disagree. Ever since Urbs came back the offense has "looked" different. Don't think for a second that he doesn't influence or call plays. We had more QB draws in the Purdue game then first 3 games combined....and we all know where that call comes from. Urbs is trying to make DH a mobile QB which he is not.
Steve - OH may not be right, but if you don't think Urbs looks different and is acting different, then you are just looking the other way. Oh and this about the timeframe he got "tired and unhealthy" at Florida and bailed. Not it's worth a $1000 bet...but I would not be shocked if he retired
Those who stir the shit pot should have to lick the spoon.
Urban is still clearly in on the game plan/play calling, and I agree - he's looked off all season.
There is a difference between QB draws and QB must try to run up the middle due to protection breaking down. With that said, NOTHING was working in the run game, why not try a "trick" play? Purdue, nor any opponent is expecting a statue of a QB to run the ball.
We had more QB draws in the Purdue game then first 3 games combined....and we all know where that call comes from. Urbs is trying to make DH a mobile QB which he is not
Haskins only had 5 carries the entire game, which includes sacks (it seems Purdue had one) and scrambles. I only remember one called run for Haskins.
Yes, Urban is such a shitty head coach (and a complete idiot) that he's trying to make Haskins a runner. Good theory.
I think coach stays. Haskins goes pro and the offense returns to the JT looking offense. Schiano moves on. The Grinch takes defense back to silver bullet level.
That's what actually might keep UM here. If DH goes pro, then he has Martell as his QB and he will get to get right back to the RPO offense
The qb's of the future on paper look all pro style other than Martell.
EXCEPT, they are not statue QBs like the current.
I don’t care if dude a statue. He is a heisman finalist, leads the nccaa in TD passes shows up every game not just cupcakes and the rest of the nation is scared of the offense. It sure beats 200 total yards of offense and 20 runs up the middle.
I agree with everything right up until "the rest of the nation is scared of the offense". No one is scared of a team that put up 20 points on Purdue.
Well stated, let me edit that. If Meyer can get away from his red zone issues which have plagued him since he’s been . Teams will fear.
They have to get a respectable running game as well as fix red zone issues before teams will truly fear this offense. To do that, the oline has to improve tremendously. Thats a tough one to see happening at this point in the season without personnel changes.
Just asking does anyone watch him in his pressers rather than listen to him? Repeating myself again whats with the squinting and rubbing his temples??? Then him dropping to a knee on the sidelines. I feel he is not well and maybe another Florida situation and stepping down after this year. Another question for another time but I would want Schiano over Day?
Schiano over Day? Absolutely not. If Day were hired, I suspect he would let Schiano and Davis go and get another DC and LB coach.
You don't know what you have until it's gone .... for example, toilet paper.
Hopefully be would pick defensive coaches better than his mentor Chip Kelly...otherwise Davis would probably stay.
I want someone in between...good arm but can scramble when needed
So any middle of the road Big 12 team's QB? Haha I kid, just that description fits like every one of their QBs not named Kyler...Ehlinger at Texas, Robinson at TCU, every single QB at Iowa State
We had two of those. Now we have one. One's riding the pine. The other has led his team to victory against 4 ranked opponents.
I want to disagree, but... I've pretty much been wrong about everything this season, so... Cheers...
In the case of an emergency, break open the next bottle
As well as Day did in the interm, I was looking back at the three teams OSU beat. Oregon St. is 1-6, Rutgers is 1-7, and TCU is now 3-4.
Rutgers is one of the worst Power 5 programs. Oregon St is right there with Rutgers in incompetent and they moved the ball all over the place. TCU was faster than OSU and had Dre'Mont not made the incredible pick six I'm not sure OSU pulls that one out.
Only difference I can see with Day at the helm over Urban is OSU has moved away from the running game.
I can agree with the 1st two teams being trash, but TCU...I think partly they are broken because of losing to Ohio State and also they've had a super tough schedule...I think OSU, UT, and OU were all in the top 10.
Another difference I see is the speed at which we run the offense. Some might say we slowed down because the defense is so bad, but I think it's because Urban is back to being in control.
I've done a 180 on Day.....which is why I urged restraint back in the "good old days" of September. Based on what I have seen, if he stays, he'll turn Ohio State into a Big 12 Offense....and take this team down the drain. Yes, I liked everthing about him when he was in charge, but in a 'what have you done for me lately' -- and at the risk of being totally unfair to him......I can't say I like what I have seen. I'll pass....no shitty pun intended.
I'm strongly on the Day Train still and think they should be doing everything in their power to get him to stay (which I don't think will happen unless Urban leaves, which I'm not sure I want either).
I don't think he has complete control of this offense and that's because of Urban's stubborn nature to be involved.
Also, I enjoy the shitty pun haha.
I understand. Mine is an opinion that is certainly up for debate. One thing is for sure...the closed door meetings inside the WHAC this week will sure as hell be interesting!
The offense against Purdue was best when there was tempo and it worked great. However, the moment a pass was incomplete or a run went for little to no gain, OSU moved away from it.
Urban has been pushing up temp offense since Herman was here. Since Herman left the O-coordinators have fought the concept, a "control" thing.
If urban wants them to run up tempo than he is the boss. The offensive coordinator don’t trump him. If he says hike with 17 seconds then you do it. The offensive coordinator don’t get to say no. There is no way on this green earth that there is gonna be a point when Meyer is gonna have a control issue with an assistant (leave z Smith out of this ) over play style. That is bizarre. The offense tempo has looked the same since Meyer has been here. It’s hurry up and get a delay of game.
Disagree, I believe we were running faster with Day at the helm. I think since Urban has come back it has slowed down ALOT. And has been mentioned before, it might simply be that they are waiting for too many people to give their input. It could go something like...Day makes the call, Wilson communicates what he sees from the booth, Day changes plays, Urban gives the final OK
I think it's the opposite actually.
My understanding was that Herman had to convince Meyer to run up tempo since meyer liked QB leadership in the huddle. I know Wilson is all about up tempo from his oklahoma offenses and I cant imagine a Chip Kelley disciple isn’t all about the tempo.
I agree he would/could retire after this year but I also believe Urban wouldn't stay retired and he'd wind up somewhere like USC where there's pressure to win but not Ohio St. pressure. Frankly I'm beginning to think the aforementioned maybe best for both parties.
The rumors of Gene Smith retiring this year had me thinking that Urban would replace him as AD and then the Zach Smith stuff happened. That probably isnt an option any more, but I thought it had a chance.
Oh well, who knows.
Is it just me or is anyone else concerned about Ryan Day's lack of experience? He was "head coach" 3 games. I use "head coach" in quotations because UFM was the head coach during those 3 weeks. Just wasn't on the field on game day, that's it. Coach Day is an unknown quantity as far as I'm concerned, at least as a head honcho at a major university.
Without a doubt Day is calling the plays but Meyer is listening in just as the head coach should be doing. I have seen no difference in play calling from week 1 to week 8. It's all Day.
I still say Tressel for President. The Drake shoulders much of this implosion blame.............such a weasel.
Just what we needed after the worst loss since Iowa...
“Friction” at Ohio State https://t.co/QmhJD2bLNm— FootballScoop Staff (@FootballScoop) October 22, 2018
I wouldn't doubt this is happening, however it makes me laugh that the scoop cites "friction among the leadership and coaches" but doesn't really cite anything specific, just names Gene and Urban.
Eh....we'd be naive to think otherwise. I am guessing, "friction" is putting it mildly.
My guess is that one of the two will be gone, that being Smith. I also feel that UM will make some house cleaning decisions, some will be voluntary some won't. As long as we're all speculating!!!
Ohio State will be fine, either way. Go Bucks! Beat Nebraska
If Urban steps away I want Matt Campbell at Iowa State
I hate even contemplating replacing Urban, but my list of wants is very short, and most if not all are completely impratical. I would take Saban. I would try and talk Bob Stoops out of retirement. I might take Vrabel. I might even take a flyer on Pete Carroll. Other than that, no one excites me. BIG difference between taking a crummy team and making it good (think Glen Mason) and taking a perennial top 10 team and keeping it there.
I know he’s not real popular with a lot of folls but I wouldnt mind PJ Fleck. Has solid experience and seems to have a lot of fire. Has done pretty respectable things with way less talent than is in Columbus.
I like Fleck and respect what he has done, but I think for now he falls into my "can make a bad team good" category. Will be interesting to see where he goes from Minn.
If there was an agreement to bring Day in as HC after this year, I would hope they revisit that decision given the regression of the offense in B1G play. Seemed like a great idea when we were running up numbers against Tulane, but I really don't want a team that has no idea how to run the ball. Especially in this conference. In November.
I don't know, as soon as those reports came out.. didn't take long for Gene to come out and say Meyer is still going to be the HC for years to come. Makes me believe Urban was like, wtf Gene?! But with Meyers health and considering his views on loyalty and not feeling like President Drake and others had his back during the whole Z Smith fiasco, I could see him stepping away. We shall see.
Well, just saw an article from footballscoop.com that there's a lot of friction within the program.. not over the Purdue game but with all the Z Smith shit... so who knows. Crazy to think a man who has a chance to win 90 out of his first 100 games at tOSU is wanted out by some fans.
I want Urban to stay. I hope he stays. To me its simple. Get pissed, get angry and go 4 to 6, A to B from here on out. I know we have the talent to do it. I see it like this. We need a little bit of help with top teams losing, but if we go on another 7 game winning streak, we will be Undisputed National Champs again. How many Buckeye teams and Urban coached teams have won 7 straight? Nebraska, Michigan State, Maryland, TTUN, B10 Champ, CFP Semi, CFP Championship! This team can do it! It wont be easy, but lets go 1-0 every week and see what happens! As much as the loss sucks it HAD to happen and better now than a late season loss to anyone else. Lets go! Get healthy, get pissed and game by game be the team we all know we can be.
Beat That Ass!!
Maybe it's just me, but this is too high profile a program and Day is too raw as a head coach to just blindly go with him as coach in waiting. I'd hope they target an up and comer with experience like Campbell or even Brohm, though I'd love if they just open up the checkbook and take Lincoln Riley out of Norman.
Nobody except Urban knows how much strain on his body has been the result of everything that has happened. I can think of 30 million reasons why he comes back. I also honestly believe that as great as Haskins has been., Urban would be more comfortable with Martell at quarterback. He is more of the Miller/Barrett quarterback that Urban is comfortable with. So, in my opinion, I think Urban will suggest to Haskins at some point in time that the NFL is waiting for him next year. But, really Haskins has one major flaw that would piss off most NFL teams. He can not escape a pass rush. He is totally clueless about that. Let's get this damn season back under our control. GO BUCKS!
It could very well be friction at Ohio State between the football staff and UM, not Gene Smith. Maybe, just maybe UM is calling his buddies and there is some friction. That I wouldn't doubt.
What do tou mean by “UM is calling his buddies?”
Maybe “calling out his buddies”? That would make more sense in context.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
Ah yes gotcha. Thanks
This may very well be true, and Ohio State may very well pay him a buyout to save money,in the long run. But, Bill Davis isn't getting fired no matter what, because he's on a one-year deal. So, he's just out at season's end.
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As long as Davis is out, I don’t care how it happens.
I hire people in my day job, and I have friends in my profession that I wouldn't hire, because zero is the number of times "being my friend" was on the list of desired qualifications.
Yes. No way I would hire a friend. Or my friend's kid. Or my son-in-law for more than a year. Or the friend of the friend I just hired. All of those things have happened. All bad ideas by Urban. But it was sheer stupidity by Smith to sign off on all that crap.
I don't know about any of this, true or untrue, and I won't really speculate... I just hope Urban is focused on the task at hand. I still trust and respect him.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
When things arent going well in a room of dominant personalities there is ALWAYS drama. You see it in the NFL every damned week. How is this any different? The only thing that fixes it is winning...or firing the entire staff and starting over.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
First, let me say that I want UFM as our coach, period. But, to me, there’s a lot of smoke surrounding Urban’s health, and if he worked for me, I’d be concerned about making sure he’s okay, just like I do every day for my employees. Something just doesn’t seem right. It could be the effects of the ZS mess; it could be the defense (WTF is up with THAT?!?!); it could be an offensive strategy that is now WAY outside of his preferred approach; or it could be that he’s just...tired. His minute-to-minute command of the game isn’t there, and we’ve all seen it. For a coach of his level, that’s concerning.
Given his history and his relationship with his family, it wouldn’t surprise me to see him hand it over in the next year or so. It would be a serious blow to the program, but I just wouldn’t be shocked. And if he did it for his health, I’d be happy for him.
If it is going to happen - let it happen now - while the talent is still here. Day needs an elite perception on the recruiting trail.
behold the silver bullets
Gene Smith already said this wasn't true. Personally, I believe OSU deserves a proven Head Coach, not an unproven coach. Hiring Day after the season is something that will never happen, especially seeing how this team is severly lacking in fundamental football knowledge.
Ryan Day was in charge of the entire team in camp since Meyer was suspended. Against 2 of the worst teams in college football, plus a so so TCU team, it was easy to get by. Urbans first game back was against Tulane, and was clearly the best game for the OSU starters (42-0 playing only 2 quarters) this year, but again, playing a very bad team. By this point, the fundamental errors were starting to become glaring problems.
What you need to remember, all the college fundamentals are taught in camp. Urban wasn't there. Ryan Day, in his first shot at Head Coach fwas in charge. He failed miserably as evidenced by this being the worst tackling, the most penalized, the worst run blocking, the worst running, and the most out of position OSU team I have ever witnessed.
No, it is not only still not true, but people in general need to quit propping up Ryan Day. He was a QB coach one year at SF, and one year at Philadeplphia and neither offense was very good. His Qb's were rated 29th (Kaepernick) and 15th (Bradford).
Urban is going to fix this, and I'm sure there are a lot of hurt feelings from the assistants this week, as Urban is no doubt chewing their butts.
"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra