Skull Session: Purdue Hammered Ohio State, What Now?

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JTstan16's picture

There is no reason why Tate Martell shouldn’t, at the very least, have redzone packages. It worked with JT in 2015, who was slower and less elusive. Just look how effortlessly he fooled everyone & skipped in for the TD (idc if it was Tulane). You mean to tell me he couldn’t have done that a few times Saturday? Our redzone offense made freaking Purdue look like Alabama. Inexcusable. 

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

I REALLY hope this team does not stumble into the playoffs.  There are systemic issues with this team and I don’t want to see another prime time waxing.

#bringbackcoachday

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WezBuck28's picture

Right!?!? Unless they can get the run game and the defense figured out, they don't even need to sniff the playoffs..

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

#bringbackcoachday

He hasn't gone anywhere.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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lamplighter's picture

I see him on the sidelines with a clipboard calling plays. Unless that's a clone or an evil doppelganger (?)

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TigerSweat's picture

I get the feeling that he calls plays and Urban either green lights them or veto's them.

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cledaybuck's picture

Yeah.  We just aren't playing Oregon State and Rutgers anymore.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

TCU is not Rutgers.  Also, if you have not noticed an abrupt and decided change (for the worse) since Urban returned you are not watching the same games as the rest of us.

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cricejr's picture

If I may ask, why did you leave major details out of your comments?  Suck as we made TCU look great while they haven't looked good all year?  Or that Tulane and Oregon St also did well against this team?  Who coached those games?  Who coached the game against Penn St, was that Day?  Perhaps I'm not watching the same games as you though.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

TCU is not Penn State, IU, Minnesota or Purdue, either. They have a losing record and have yet to beat an FBS team with a winning record. You’re kidding yourself if you think that’s a quality win. 

I haven’t seen an abrupt change in anything since Urban returned, except that he has let the OCs call the game in a manner that Meyer never would. 72 passes in one game? That has Day and Wilson written all over it, not Urban Meyer. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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kmp10's picture

HAHAHAHAHA!! Oh, don't worry, Buckeyeat... this team has virtually no chance to get into a playoff. In its current form, this team CLEARLY does not belong among the elite, and that is not changing over a bye week, because you cannot make a marshmallow soft offensive line tough, or linebackers competent, or DBs physically aggressive, or a stubborn, obstinate, headstrong coaching staff flexible and broad-minded in a matter of two weeks. If, and I do mean IF Meyer decides to return next year, then SIGNIFICANT changes are in order... but they can't and won't be made over the bye week. 

Also, where in hell has Tate Martell been while Meyer and Day have been busy trying to jam the square peg that is Haskins into the round hole that is this bizarre amalgamation of an offense.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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LB U's picture

As much as me and you are hoping this team doesn't stumble to into the playoff, it's really not that far-fetched of a possibility.

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kmp10's picture

First, that's not my DV. Second, it is far-fetched, imo, LB U. I love Haskins... but using a pocket passing, pro-style quarterback to run a college based RPO scheme while your other QB, a guy tailor-made for the college RPO offense, sits the bench for weeks on end is nothing short of asinine. What's more, you allowed Joe Burrow, a player far better suited for the college RPO offense than Haskins, to transfer out. Of the three, Haskins, Burrow, and Martell, Dwayne Haskins is the worst choice to run THIS particular offense. Yes, 7 is THE bright spot this year, and I think he's a fantastic pro prospect, but he's also not even a tiny threat to run... EVER... so running this offense, where part of the concept is to hurt the opposition with quarterback runs, when there is absolutely ZERO threat of a run, is dumbfounding. There are many other issues... the softest o-line in forever at OSU, a non-existent ground game, and a defense that is an embarrassment to the Silver Bullet moniker, but forcing the square peg that is Haskins into the round hole that is an RPO offense is what they call a grave tactical error. All of this, from my perspective, makes the idea that Ohio State could find their way into the playoff extremely far-fetched... and I would LOVE to be wrong and come on here and say so, but I just don't see it. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Honest question, Kmp10. Is it possible that Meyer took the advice of Day and Wilson to start Haskins ahead of Burrow? 

It just seems to me that if Burrow was tailor made for Meyer’s preferred offense, and Meyer is the dictator that so many seem to think he is, wouldn’t it have made more sense for Meyer to play favorites (again as you and others repeatedly accuse him of) and name Burrow the starter? Why let Burrow go, unless maybe Meyer was going on the advice of his trusted advisors?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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kmp10's picture

Your post makes perfect sense to me, Navy. I can't tell you why he allowed Burrow to transfer, nor why he continues to allow Martell to sit on the bench and hide under a hood with a look on his face that says he's waiting for his anti-depressant to kick in. It makes no sense. To be clear, I did not say Burrow is 'tailor made' for Meyer's offense, I said Martell is. However, Burrow is a FAR better option as a college based RPO QB than Haskins is. Burrow can run, not like Martell can run, but he's a competent running threat. Haskins is the least mobile quarterback I've seen in a long time. Why they didn't build a pro style offense around Haskins and his big arm over the entire off season, and sprinkle some RPO's in like the NFL teams, especially with an NFL quarterback coach like Day at the helm, I have no clue. Why they continue to run RPO when there is zero threat of the R part of RPO, I also have no idea. 

I'm listening to 97.1 right now, and Dave Biddle says he sees Ohio State being favored Vs *ichigan and improving. What on earth would lead anyone to believe this team, in its current state, can even compete with TTUN, let alone be favored? I mean, they can't run from me to my kitchen, which is 15 feet from where I sit. They can't defend the pass, AT ALL, and they get gashed repeatedly by inferior teams. Their o-line is an embarrassment. They are the definition of soft run blockers. You're the glass half full guy, so please convince me how and/or why anyone would believe this team will be any different from what they've shown the entire season now? I'm willing to buy whatever you're selling there, but I need convinced. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I’m seeing the same things you’ve pointed out, so I’m struggling to be positive. And I saw that shot of Martell on the sidelines you mention. It had “I’m transferring in Jan” written all over it. 

Part of me wonders how much the suspension of Meyer actually hurt this team in August. The defense looks like four separate units completely unsynchronized. The offense barely resembles a Meyer offense, and it seemed Black Stripes were flying off twice as fast this summer than any previous year. It just smacked of a lack of scrutiny from above. 

Point is, I think they have the talent and enough good coaches to fix things this week. But Meyer needs to take charge and name one OC and one DC. This co-shit is not working.  He needs to go back to basics, and make this a run-first offense. 

They have the talent to beat Nebraska, MSU and Maryland without changing a whole lot. That leaves The Game. I think it’s entirely possible this team is 10-1 going into the rivalry. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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cledaybuck's picture

Why?  If they stumble into the playoffs, that means they won the rest of their games and a Big Ten Championship.  I am taking that in a heartbeat if offered to me right now.

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okiebuck's picture

That ain't happening; it's going to be Iowa and *ichigan in the B1G championship game; book it.

The only hard day was yesterday

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cricejr's picture

Are you willing to be cash money on that?  I mean you said book it like you would, cause I'll take that bet.  Or were you just doing that thing where you say something then pretend you didn't say it when you're wrong? 

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CincyBuck's picture

Or were you just doing that thing where you say something then pretend you didn't say it when you're wrong?

^ This.  There have been several terrible fan takes on 11W the last few days.  Here are just a few:

Take No. 1: OSU is going to get waxed multiple times this season.  The Purdue game was ugly -- though, I'll admit, I only saw bits and pieces -- but it was just one game.  A similar debacle occurred in Iowa City last year.  This isn't unique to OSU; very good/elite teams lose games that they shouldn't every year.  The next game last year, we beat MSU by about a million.  Time will tell how this team rebounds.

Take No. 2: OSU has no chance to get in the Playoffs.  Why?  They have one loss.  If OSU wins out, there's a very good chance they get in as a 1-loss conference champion.  Very good.

Take No. 3: OSU has "no business" in the Playoffs (or some variant).  Purdue was one game.  One game doesn't define a team or its season.  When OSU played 'Bama a few years ago, I would've bet 'Bama by at least 10.  That didn't happen.  Point being it's tough to predict what's going to happen once everyone gets there.  A chance is always something worth taking.

Take No. 4: Fire Urban because [insert overreaction].  Goodness gracious.  Lookup Urban's record and tell me why he's not a good coach.  If you have to refer to impossible-to-define criteria like him "losing his edge," your argument probably sucks.

Take No. 5: this never happens to other "elite teams."  BS.  Clemson lost to 'Cuse last year (and almost again this year).  'Bama has dropped their share of games against overmatched opponents.  Were these losses by multiple scores?  Sometimes.  Does it matter?  Not really, IMO.

Take No. 6: so-and-so assistant coach(es) should be fired!  Well, okay.  This might not be a bad one.  Bill Davis should probably be shown the door sooner than later.

In short, yeah, the team has problems.  We need to run the ball better.  And the defense is kind of a shit show right now.  But some of this can be fixed, I think.  Many of our defensive players seem not to be able to do things as simple as hold gap responsibility on run plays -- like, all 3 linebackers will fill the same hole, then, shockingly, the cutback lane is wide open. 

No idea why this stuff hasn't been fixed yet.  But maybe a swift kick in the nuts at the hands of a perennial doormat (yes, Purdue is better than most think this year, but let's not pretend this wasn't a big upset) is what was needed to make some major alterations.

I guess we'll see who is ready to play in a couple of weeks against Nebraska...

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BbBnD's picture

I agree with most of what you said, but losing to Syracuse by 3 isn’t the same as getting blown out by Purdue and Iowa. A 4 or more touchdowns loss isn’t comparable to a field goal loss. Alabama doesn’t get blown out by anyone and, except for Ole Miss when they were paying 5 star kids to come, they only lose to top teams. The current Alabama dynasty would never lose to Tenn by 28 or 31 points. Since Saban became head coach, their biggest losses have been by 14 and they always been to ranked teams. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

Good post Cincy, I'm still pretty upset about the game, and the way this team has played this last month. But I'm seeing a lot of takes that are way over board. Does this team have some major issues? Absolutely. Has Urban earned a heavy dose of criticism? Definitely. But Urbans teams drop a game they shouldn't every single year, and they have always bounced back. We have a bye week and Nebraska to get right. If they come out and we don't see any improvement then maybe we should start to look at some major changes, but at least let this thing play out. As frustrating as the last month has been, Urban has at least earned the right to try and fix it.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I’m bookmarking it. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Nutinpa's picture

Based on what we are seeing, you can sleep well and not worry about this team making or backing into the playoffs.  It's as simple as that. 

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BullRusher's picture

I agree with you. I don't want us to stumble/fall in to the playoffs. It's great to have goals, but those goals need to be realistic and it's not realistic to think this is a championship caliber team. It would just be another embarrassing playoff loss (looking at you Clemson). This team DOES have serious systemic issues to deal with before it can get back on track. To think this loss will finally "wake them up" is ridiculous. It's almost November for goodness sake. If they aren't "awake" now, then .... well, you get the point.

Personally, I'll be happy with a conference title and bowl, then dream about better days ahead.

A good general always makes you search for his weaknesses. - Woody Hayes

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JMeadows's picture

Can we get a "waiting on number" ticket dispenser for all the people Buckeye fans want to throw under the bus?

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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jjones64's picture

Don't worry - this team WILL NOT sniff the playoffs this year.  TTUN is going to slaughter this terrible-ass team with it's terrible assistants, lack of discipline, and HC who appears to have forgotten how to run his team.

Because I couldn't go for 3!

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Earle's picture

Was that Urban actually smiling?

Axe leukemia!
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BullRusher's picture

While I agree with your premise, I also would like to see Lil Man Tate play, it would just be a gimmick play IMO that covers up or hides more serious issues. The O-line play HAS to get fixed NOW or it wouldn't matter who you have in there to be honest. Having Tate in there may work a couple of times, but teams would focus on him as soon as he stepped on the field. Everyone in the stadium would know he's getting the ball.

He should have been on the field occasionally weeks ago, if not anything but to show the look and make DC's plan for him. 

As far as RZ play the other night, I couldn't understand why we threw the fade to the left corner in 3 consecutive trips. Why not the slant across the middle to a TE or WR or RB?

A good general always makes you search for his weaknesses. - Woody Hayes

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Passes over the middle, in all parts of the field, have been getting fewer as the season has gone on and I'm not sure why. There was very little I saw from our passing attack Saturday that would have seemed unusual if it had been JT at quarterback.

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JMeadows's picture

I guess you've missed the fact that although Tate is no Haskins he does have some passing skills.  Right now the Buckeyes are in a mode in which they are throwing the ball 73 times a game and mostly on RPO's.  Not sure why we're running RPO's.  We're not fooling anybody.  Haskins is a 70/30 guy and putting a 50/50 guy in from time to time breaks tendencies.  We're not making the other teams' DCs think.  The odds are we're going to pass and we're going to complete 70% of our passes and so if they focus on the receivers they want in play they can shut down the downfield threat.  Over and over we throw the screen- to- five- yard stuff and unlike us, the other team has their zone defenders ready to limit the damage.  OSU is too predictable.  It's like the way it was with Tressel ball, when the DCs knew that first down would almost never be a passing down.  I'm not saying this team's schemes are not smart, but they're sure as hell not clever. "It's who we are" is like music to the other teams' ears.

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BullRusher's picture

I didn't miss it. I just don't put much stock in it until I see him throw in something other than garbage time and the spring game. If you put him in on special occasions, it's a gimmick.

A good general always makes you search for his weaknesses. - Woody Hayes

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BraxtonPryor5's picture

I try to find solace in the fact that we still beat 3 ranked teams after Iowa last year. MSU, Wisconsin, and USC. We also beat Michigan on the road. 

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Geraffi's picture

This year feels different to me. I don’t have confidence that this coaching staff can make the necessary changes.  If Minnesota’s and Purdue’s defenses can hold us under 100 yards rushing, and not or less shit us down, what will MSU and TTUN do?

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Geraffi's picture

*more or less shut us down”

damn autocorrect.

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MercyTex's picture

You were still correct. +1.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

No, autocorrect was right on-point this time.  

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BullRusher's picture

Both were accurate. +1

A good general always makes you search for his weaknesses. - Woody Hayes

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Huskerbuck's picture

Not to mention that 0-6 Nebraska had three 100+ yard rushers against the Gophers the very next week!

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

And scored almost twice as many points against them (OK, 77% more.)

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Baroclinicity's picture

I don't care about the playoff, and never really have since our flaws really started emerging.  Michigan smells blood, and we have every reason to think this could be the year we look back at saying "that's when it all changed"  -- all it takes is a thumping from them and the narrative changes.

Man, do we have a lot of holes to be plugged.  First time we've felt vulnerable since 2011.

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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TigerSweat's picture

And it's the year that we're fielding the best passer in school history... The defense is straight up embarrassing and the line is soft as puddin'.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I’m torn right now between which is worse: The terrible D or the laughable O-line?  And “puddin’” is being charitable to the O-line, sadly.  Hell, I’d settle for Jell-O on both sides right now.  

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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GIBS_STI's picture

At least we cleaned the locker room the right way.

Fortune favors the bold.

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Earle's picture

Now time to start with our own backyard.

Axe leukemia!
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brutus0717's picture

Well, they finally did it. I've been professor positive all year long, continually thinking/hoping that the issues would get fixed. I'm not sure if it's for my sanity's self-preservation or just facing cold, hard reality, but they've sucked the positivity right out of me, and frankly that's no small feat. Here's hoping that the Buckeyes can get themselves unfucked in the next 12 days so we don't have to watch 4 more performances like that one. I'm not sure that I'll be holding my breath, though.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Chark's picture

Not only have the glaring issues not been fixed, but they have actually gotten worse as the season has gone on. We. Keep. Jamming. That. Square. Peg. Into. The. Round. Hole.

Methinks some tough coaching changes are in order. Not sure if Urban can do it.

Offensive Line / DB-Safeties / Linebacker / Running backs / Quarterbacks / Defensive Coordinator

I'll give Hartline the benefit of the doubt as e'staking over for Smith and there has been improvement. Day and Wilson are money, when not hampered by Urban's conservatism and stubbornness. Larry Johnson is the best.

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brutus0717's picture

Coaching shakeups is a very popular sentiment lately, and I'm not saying it's not warranted, but the problems on this team run much deeper than that. I'm sure LJSr isn't teaching his DEs to run right past every single running play, and I'm sure he hasn't forgotten how to teach the DTs to shed blocks. I'm also sure that the entire defensive staff hasn't told their players that tackling isn't important. Coach Stud did well to coach up his group last year, and I dont think he's forgotten how to do that.
And aside from the Xs and Os, you can't teach heart, or teach your team to play with desperation. Refusing to lose is not something you can instill in a player, and this group doesn't have any of these qualities. Maybe the staff was outcoached, but I watched a Buckeye team get run up and down the field by supposedly(!) inferior talent from start to finish. And if that continues, we might lose all of the remaining games on the schedule. Nebraska and Maryland, and of course the mitten state schools, are no longer worried about playing the Buckeyes.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

OMG.  You have apparently forgotten or are otherwise oblivious to the most central theme of these boards.  OSU's failures on the field are entirely the fault of the coaches and the players are NEVER responsible.  The players are all gods whose abilities and future NFL Hall of Fame status were ordained by any number of websites dedicated to anointing the HS players destined to be forever superior to all other HS football players. 

Seriously though I agree that the failings of this team are not entirely the fault of coaching.  OSU has some very good players, some of whom are going to play in the NFL, but they also have some clear misses who are not better then their counterparts on other P5 college teams.  Projections of HS players do not account for the fact that great athletes who dominate HS football fields do not all successfully transition to the next level where it takes more then just athletic ability to stay on top.  Not to mention that men grow and develop at different rates.  The best HS players are often the guys who were early developers and don't get much better then they were at 17.  I remember reading an interview with a MLB scout who said the most difficult aspect of his job was the inability to look at two top HS prospects and predict which one was as good at 18 as he was ever going be and which one was going to see his skills continue to improve until he was 30.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Who recruited these players? Who built the relationships and got to know the kid and determined they were a good fit? Look, these coaches are making way too much money to refuse to fix any problems. I honestly think Meyer feels like the school quit on him b/c of the suspension and he looks like a guy who has given up on the season. Hope I’m wrong, but that’s how it looks to me.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Nutinpa's picture

LJ is the best.   But his D line does not get a free pass either.   Other than the 2nd half of the TCU game (rallied after Bosa injury) and their 4th quarter heroics against Penn State, our vaunted D line has been average.   Against Minny....they were blown off the ball 3 yards at a time.  So...let's not get carried away here, injuries nothwithstanding. 

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mb5599's picture

i honestly could care less about the next 3 games, but hope they get it fixed by The Game.  if that is the only game they win the rest of the year i will be happy. 

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TigerSweat's picture

A nice 4 loss season may be good for urban honestly... Force some change. I just don't want to lose to fucking Michigan. Oh, and it hasn't helped that the players are apparently being handed participation trophies after soft performances... How many times have the LB's graded out as champions when we CLEARLY saw that they played awful games but happened to fall into a few tackles.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

After his 2007 four loss season at Florida he came out the next year and won a title.

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JMeadows's picture

I've wondered about the Champion ratings myself.  I would imagine they are nominated by position coaches and that gives them a chance to say, hey look my guys did better than the score would dictate.  If you notice Urban's grades on special teams are week in and week out not very high and with the Davon Hamilton roughing the kicker penalty and falling for the fake kick he's bound to point to his own crew for special blame.  I agree these are participation trophies and I'm not sure anyone should rate captain or offensive and defensive players of the game this week.  

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Buckfrombirth's picture

For you to use the terms “professor positive” and “unfucked” in the same post is sadly hilarious.  Thanks for making me smile a bit on a Monday, even if you didn’t mean to be funny.  

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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sonofbuck's picture

There's some weird voodoo at Purdue over the years

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Homey1970's picture

With all due respect, this past weekend had little to do with Purdon’t and everything to do with the Buckeyes.  Just the last three games, does anybody think the Buckeyes could have easily lost all three if those games against IU and Minny were on the road?  

If UFM won’t change his offensive scheme, I hope Haskins declares after this year and Tate takes over next year.

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TigerSweat's picture

Scheme doesn't matter when the O line is soft as butter. Had Tate been starting for the Purdue game they would have struggled to break 150 yards.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

I agree. I had to drive through West Lafayette yesterday on my way home from Chicago, and doing so gave me the bad feels. Like being owned. I didn't like that feeling.

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Buctor's picture

It definitely does not look good at this time for beating the first place B1G East leader.

Having said that, boorish behavior is still a trademark of that team!  That hen scratching says it all.  Then their coach blaming it on MSU is also typical.

But in spite of this behavior, it does not look promising for the last game of the regular season.  At least not unless there are many, many improvements.  

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Crumb's picture

This rivalry had gotten so one sided I almost began to feel compassion for their fans who've only witnessed a Wolverine win over Ohio State once in 15 years, but if this is a sneak peak at what it's like when they have a pulse, I'm praying the Bucks cremate them in November so there ain't even a body to resurrect.

At the end of the day (or in this case the beginning of one) we all know what is the most important thing about being Buckeyes.

SCREW BLUE!

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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mr.green's picture

Fuck all of their fans. My friends and i helped push cars out of the mud after a loss in 1985 in AA. Not one m*chigan fan said thank you. Not one. We kept doing it to see if one would. We pushed 8 cars of blue fans. They won The Game but they were entitled to our help. Fuck them. And they are all fat asses too with ugly cars and homely children. 

I want them to cry every year. Go Buckeyes! 

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TigerSweat's picture

They're all super nerds. Take a look at the crowd shots during Michigan home games. Look at the guy who runs the MGoBlow site.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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dr green's picture

I love the sentiments, but you guys are a little early for Hate Week. Let's try to make it there without another L.

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mr.green's picture

I don’t stop at one week. Fuck them. 

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Yoda888's picture

What a horrible weekend....flashbacks of the Cooper era frustrations, bitterness, and anger all crawled out of the dark hole that was meant to bury them with the 2002 and 2014 championships....but alas, darkness creeps its head...

Frustration, bitterness, and anger...simply because the same problems appear every week and there seems to be no willingness or ability from the coaching staff to fix them.  Losing is part of sports.  getting beat by Clemson 38-0 was humiliating, but a pill that, at least, was abled to be stomached.  Losing to Alabama 49-20 would be another bitter pill that can be swallowed.  Losing to Purdue 49-20 while committing the same mistakes, errors, etc...is like a bitter pill stuck in your throat, while tasting all that bitterness and feeling like you're going to be suffocated and gagging on your own bitterness that you've created for yourself.  

Fck Bosa for quitting on the team.  As a god-damn fan of the team for the last 32 years, I've earned the right to say that.  

Nebraska, MSU, Shitigan, and the BIG Championship....Lord, is it too much to pray for "some adjustments" starting with the next game?

GO BUCKS.

Yoda888

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Geraffi's picture

Rears it’s head, darkness does. 

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FunZone's picture

You could be a fan for 100 years and Nick Bosa still wouldn't owe you shit.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Correct. However, it is completely legitimate for an outside observer to opine about the selfishness of Bosa’s decision.  He obviously does not owe the fans, or his former teammates anything. He made that quite clear.

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mr.green's picture

Seems to me that the decision may have been hanging over this team for the past couple weeks. Some of the players probably knew it was coming for a while. Others dealt with it and the media glare last week. The coaches were likely in a funk too. 

I think it impacted the heads of many players, coaches and fans. That has nothing to do with the decision and Nick’s circumstance but hating that a captain left this team in a time of need is legit. 

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TigerSweat's picture

Michigan fans have used that "38-0" figure when talking about our loss to Clemson but I swear that I remember a 31-0 loss. Not that it makes much difference but there's that

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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mr.green's picture

This is a fan base that counts the spring game as a win. 

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HOLYbucknut's picture

Fck Bosa for quitting on the team.  As a god-damn fan of the team for the last 32 years, I've earned the right to say that.  

Re: entitled fan. I won’t give you the reply that I want to give you for the sake of the look of our fan base, but get off the keyboard dude. Hint hint: no one gives a damn if you’ve been a fan for 2 or 80 years, you still look like a whiny entitled little douche when you say stuff like this.

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Dillon G's picture

If Ohio State has to bring in Martell in a red zone package, then the scheme is a bad idea.

as the Big Ten is now guaranteed to have a conference champion with at least one loss -- and so are the Big 12 and Pac-12.

Alabama will not lose before the playoff. That means LSU/Georgia collect their second loss. Notre Dame will be undefeated and they took care of Michigan's front 7. They belong. And the defense was good. They quit on the defense coaches, which is a fireable offense for the coaches. 

#walkaway

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TigerSweat's picture

They absolutely quit. I watched it (nearly) live on TV

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Dillon G's picture

They did. I have never seen a team with so much talent look so bad. The buck stops with the HC, whom I do not want fired. 

#walkaway

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TigerSweat's picture

If he can't find the balls to make necessary changes with Coach and/or player personnel, he may need to go. It's his job to make the tough decisions and close on top recruits... If he starts losing his biggest targets and continues to keep forcing a brilliant pocket passer into read options, he may need to step down. The scheme he has ran over the last decade or two was intended for a QB who was a decent runner but not a decent passer. It's a work around for when you don't have a talented thrower. He has possibly the most talented passer in the country and he's still running an offense that is designed for a running back playing QB.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

Yup, and can you blame the players for quitting on their coach who continues to trot them out to lose? The scheme sucks butt. Screw the Havoc defense when you don't have a D-Line that can't dominate a haystack. The defensive players are despondent because of that stubbornness. The same stubbornness that got Schiano's canned from Tampa. What works for Rutgers doesn't translate to every team in America and least of all to a proud program with a rich tradition of tough defense

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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buckeyearchie76's picture

Third straight game that UFM sang the same song in his news conference after the game.  That being--we have to fix some things.  After watching Indiana gash us, my feeling was that IU always plays us tough.  After watching Minnesota play pitch and catch the first half, I began to feel something was seriously wrong---plus our backs were doing nothing as well.  Then, during the Purdue game, I felt reality finally was setting in and we were are are in serious trouble in many, many areas.  But, damn UFM said the same thing after the game again---we have things to fix.  Really Coach?  You could have fooled us!   GO BUCKS!

Louis Haynes

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TigerSweat's picture

The line isn't blocking anybody but the backs, at times, appear to go down at first contact.

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puddy's picture

Yes, it is too late to fix the scheme issues. That is part of what bothers me ,especially offensively. The coaching staff should have known that using " zone read option " principles was NOT going to be effective without a legitimate threat at QB. It just show either their stubbornness or lack of creativity. Plenty of team run the ball efficiently without a QB who is a runner. BTW , did anyone notice what Purdue did on their first TD of the 3rd qrt ? They are a mostly shotgun formation team, but they lined up in I formation, QB under center ( is that allowed ?)  and a lead blocker in front of the Tailback. I'm fairly certain Dobbins and Webber would be happy to receive the handoff while moving " towards " the line of scrimmage with a big blocker in front occasionally

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MichiBuck12's picture

For my own sanity I stayed away from here since saturday night. And it hasn't helped me feel any better about what we saw on saturday. The most frustrating thing for me is that none of the issues we saw on saturday were new. Its the same shit we've been seeing all year. How is it that our coach with 3 national titles gets so consistently out coached? How do we watch the linebackers line up at the line and then get gashed for big yards for 2 months and not change anything? How do we see our run game production drop significantly and not change the scheme? Why does an Urban Meyer coached team have to shit the bed once a year before they wake the fuck up? 

Also why is Michigan's program and fanbase so incredibly insufferable when they have a decent team? Vantaze Burfict Devin Bush is an absolute clown. So is Chase Winovich. For a fanbase that talks so much about class, they sure don't have any. Fuck Michigan.

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Geraffi's picture

Misery loves company. Welcome back. 

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blueblazer22's picture

For a long time, Mike Hart has been my least liked ttun man ever. Chase Winovich may have blown past him with his idiotic Hart-like comments, and Bush has no class at all. Bucks better wax the floor with those clowns

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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MichiBuck12's picture

Winovich is like a hippy version of Harbaugh. They interview him a lot after games and he is just bizarre sometimes. Half the stuff he says makes no sense and all, the stuff that does make sense is dumb as hell. When your program is 3 for the last 11, maybe its time to retire the little brother shit. Better yet, maybe its time to learn a little humility. That arrogance is a big reason they lost 8 of the last 11 to Sparty and they just don't get it. As much as I hate Trace McSorley and his dumb baseball celebration, I hope he gets to do it at least 5 times in Ann Arbor in 2 weeks.

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TigerSweat's picture

PSU will be up for that game.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

You’re saying much the same as I’ve been thinking since the IU game.  The coaching overall has been been marginal, at best.  But, I’m getting a sense that many of these players aren’t as great as their recruiting rankings either.  And, there also appear to be huge leadership voids outside of maybe Paris Campbell.  

The best analogy I can come up with is that this team looks like the last 2-3 years of Matta and Cooper, where high-level recruits were all over the roster, but the team suffered from lousy attitudes, no leadership, zero growth, and confused, haphazard coaching.  Maybe it’s just me being a pessimist, but I’ve got a bad feeling for more than just the end of this season. 

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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OHinTN's picture

It appears that the coaching staff doesn't even gameplan for opponents.  They are going to run their system and say here it is, stop it if you can.  Well, other teams are stopping it and they have no answers.

The lack of discipline from this team is so frustrating.  If they don't commit the roughing the kicker and roughing the passer penalties, they get the ball back and probably score and win.

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PhillyBuckeye27's picture

Brutal weekend for Ohio sports teams. We all know what happened to our Bucks so no need to rehash that hot mess. But the Bungles embarrassed themselves on natl tv - AGAIN!  Browns showed life but ultimately lost. CBJ played 2 good periods Saturday night - unfortunately hockey is 3 periods. And the Crew and Cavs also lost. 

At least the Ohio State hockey team split their series with UMASS. 

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Zimmy07's picture

Two weeks of weltschmerz on tap.

With Blough not really a threat to run we had 7 guys to cover their 5.  We could have doubled Moore and still had an extra guy.  I suspect our defensive calls for the secondary are not coordinated with the calls for the linebackers are not coordinated with the calls for the DLine and we’re just leaving guys wide open before we can get to the QB.

Maybe we stick with Base?

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TigerSweat's picture

I was astonished to watch a LB trot out to cover Moore! Wtf is schiano thinking?

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Earle's picture

He's not dumb enough to contrive a scheme where a LB covers Moore.  Give credit to the other guys, who saw what defense he was running, and put Moore in a spot where he was on a linebacker in man coverage.  Therein lies the problem with being married to a scheme when you don't have the horses or experience to run it.

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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mtrotb's picture

That is nice Tuf visits cancer patients and I'm sure he helps grandmas cross the street and that he is a nice boy, but what we need at linebacker is a tat skinhead half crazy person like little animal who painted his face on gameday and was half out of his mind and scary for opponents,  This persona along with his skillset led to him being a 3 time 1st team All-American.  Meanwhile we have Tuf the boy scout.

mtrotb

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TigerSweat's picture

You got DV blasted but I'll agree with you. There isn't enough tenacity, especially with the LB's

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JMeadows's picture

Hard to buy into the idea that it's too late to change schemes.  Pro teams do it every week and Alabama changed their offense in the middle of a championship game.  I guess the thought is that there's going to be stumbles- maybe a dropped snap if the QB moves out of the shotgun.  Stumbles?  Are we really talking about not doing something because change is hard and might create finesse problems?  In the next two weeks there is plenty of time to take a hard look at all the problems the team seems to have: if man to man is leaving too many opportunities for long plays, let's do more zone; if Haskins can't do a keeper, let's try Martell or Weber in an under-center wildcat; if lateral blocking leaves holes, let's go man-up.  It's complete bullshit to worry about change being too hard when lack of change obviously is as well.  This is not switching from arithmetic to algebra..  

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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mr.green's picture

Thank you. Three weeks until MSU. That’s a lot of time. Nebraska at home after week 2 is the perfect time to try some new stuff out.  Get coaching! 

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Hovenaut's picture

New week, bye week. 

Moving forward. Hopeful Ohio State can regroup and rebound...staying optimistic, even if the reality of what this team at present is clear (talented...yet flawed, unbalanced). 

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

I’m going to stay optimistic this week.  I really don’t think we will see the LBs get pushed around, DBs completely lost, and Oline looking soft this week.  This will probably be the best week of OSU football we see for the remainder of the season.

#bringbackcoachday

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mb5599's picture

not sure our defense can stop anyone during the bye week.  might have to put up some points.

Big B

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JMeadows's picture

I'm looking forward to Grinch having his best week at OSU.

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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Findog5's picture

Can we dump the “Get Dumped Then” Saturday Skull Session Headline?

The more you act like a lady the more likely he’ll act like a gentleman. 

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TigerSweat's picture

I'm all for it. Been saying it for 3 years

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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BucksHave7's picture

Let’s get it figured out.  Get to Indy and make the playoff!!!! Oh btw, we still have a Heisman trophy candidate.   That TTUN game would be the ultimate showcase gameZ 

BucksHave7

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FitzBuck's picture

Bartender is secretly the world's greatest Tetris player...

OSU wasn’t the only upset this weekend.  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/article/world-champion-of-tetris.amp

Hoo boy.

If you're keen for more high-speed Tetris wizardry, here's the full final, starting around the 10-minute mark. The commentary is A+.

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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Tyvis'sGrandpa's picture

OSU doesn't have a championship culture and Urban has gotten complacent. Oklahoma fired DC after a shit show performance/continued regression on defense, Saban has axed countless coaches when they can't perform, too. I don't think its necessary to call for blood after any loss, but I do think real programs make big changes when coaches continue to have lackluster performances: Billy "Best Man" Davis needs fired, Greg Schiano probably does too. 

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WezBuck28's picture

Unfortunately, our coaches aren't going anywhere..did you watch the post game interview where Urban stated "we have great coaches, and we have great players"...if he can't see that shits not working then maybe he is part of the issue as well?!? But look.."we are 7-1 with a change to go 8-1", what ain't working?? /s

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blueblazer22's picture

The song lawsuit is an interesting one. I wonder why when the guy initially went after everyone, he ended up only suing one guy. Looks like his lawyers made the right decision as he got himself a ton of cash however, so well done and Marino should get credit it seems. 

Saturday was the perfect storm of what OSU struggles with are the exact things Purdue does well. Add in a night game and Tyler Trent and all the makings were there for something bad. And bad it was no doubt. I see a lot of doom and gloom here, and maybe that is all true, but I still have to think that this team has plenty of talent both on the sidelines and between the lines to get back to winning. Let's see what happens after the bye and go from there. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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MercyTex's picture

First, don't lose the bye week.  I hope to see some changes in scheme on both sides of the ball.  This is not a league championship team but can we win at least 2 more games?  Last Saturday's team could not.  Go Bucks.

Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.

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NorthBerg's picture

At least OSU fans get a week to go through the stages of grief and possibly see fandom from the other side as underdogs in two of the last four games. That might be more than agonizing over winning without passing the eyeball test.

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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BuckeyeInOrlando's picture

"Funny" thing is, if the Buckeyes don't commit the roughing the kicker penalty (or the roughing the passer), they probably end up winning this game even though they never deserved to... shows how one or two plays can literally change the game.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Two unbelievably dumb and easily avoidable penalties. Absolutely infuriating watching this team make those mental mistakes week in and week out. And these stupid, undisciplined mistakes have been an issue for two years now.

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

I rewatched the game last night. The 2 glaring penalties you mention absolutely turned the game. But, mental mistakes--more than just penalties--cost us the game. Most were committed by the offense in the first half: off sides, not knowing the formations/lining up wrong, holding while run blocking, wide receivers whiffing on run blocks that directly caused Weber good gains. We still moved up and down the field.

Our defense only gave up the one TD drive in first half until the mental mistake of allowing the holder to run for a first down on the fake field goal--someone lost contain on that play. Defensive mental breakdowns became more glaring in the 2nd half (allowing an uncovered receiver, linebackers and safeties losing sight of a running back up the middle, roughing passer on 3rd down). 

This mental stuff can be fixed.

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mr.green's picture

Good observations. The penalties and missed assignments coupled with red zone play calling/schemes lost this game. We need to coach the mistakes out and figure out how to move this offense in the red zone. Three weeks until MSU. Fix it. 

Six points on 5 red zone trips? The O left 29 points off the board. That’s a game changer. 

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griffin045's picture

Who coaches Special Teams?  Yes URBAN..aweful.  Now, look up what our ranking is among penalties in the NCAA, its close to the bottom.  Look at what it was for the Tressel years, close to the top. Urbs says the penalties are ok if its from aggressive play, really? I can only hope Urbs has a "heart" episode and retires at the end of the year.  He has been a failure in his hiring assistant coaches the past few years.  I suggest reading https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2018/9/16/17865270/ohio-state-football... . I am damn tired of our head coach hiring his BOYS to keep them employed when no one else would have them.  Tressel was able to adjust his offense and defense to the players he had.  Damn, Troy Smith won a Hiesman passing the ball! Urban is trying to force his read option offense on a drop back passer and it is failing miserably.  Oh sure Haskins will rewrte the passing record books, but we can run the ball at all.  We can't get 1 f'ing yard to keep a drive alive. Urbean must go because he has proven that he won't change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because I couldn't go for three.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

You forgot the "but but but look what I did with Alex Smith at Utah!!!" The game is passing him by and honestly I don't he gives a crap. He has a formula for getting programs to certain level but not a built-in philosophy on how to manage one to repeat success at a high level like Saban. It just isn't him. So we may as well accept that we are a 1980s Ferrari that will get smoked by current Ferraris. It is what it is...

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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griffin045's picture

Great analogy except we are a 1980's Ferarri getting smoked by a 2018 Nissan Maxima!!!!!!

Because I couldn't go for three.

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

See, even I have been duped by the Urban philosophy!

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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rkylet83's picture

This rivalry had gotten so one sided I almost began to feel compassion for their fans who've only witnessed a Wolverine win over Ohio State once in 15 years, but if this is a sneak peak at what it's like when they have a pulse, I'm praying the Bucks cremate them in November so there ain't even a body to resurrect.

Its nowhere near what it’ll be like if they beat us as well.  This is what all of us have been saying to those fans that think Michigan needs to beat us to make the rivalry relevant again.  Get ready for them to do this in The Shoe as well.  

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73buckeye's picture

Ditto. I've heard people on this site beg for a competent Michigan team for years. None of you 20 or 30 somethings know the pain of losing regularly to that band of blowhards. Get ready. You're in for an unpleasant surprise you'll never forget. 

ernie

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hetuck's picture

1. Weltschmerz descended on Buckeye Nation Saturday night. 

2. I never thought walk and chew gum would have companion analogies of "run RPO and conventional plays" or "take a snap and move forward as well as take a knee." 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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NOBLUE's picture

anybody who even mentions OSU and the BIG championship or the CFP in the same sentence must be delusional ...oh i just did ...haha

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Two weeks ago I was thinking about playoff seeding and the post season. Now all I can focus on is getting the W over Michigan 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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mb5599's picture

beating them would salvage the season. dont really care if we lose the next 3, but beat michigan and destroy their hopes just like they did to us all of those years.

Big B

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ToTheHouse's picture

Before the B1GC this W used to be our Crown-ing regardless of getting to the Rose Bowl.

Realistically right now think the woose-skunks are smelling blood.

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Jdadams01's picture

Our coaching staff has been consistently out-coached since the start of the 2015 season. Oregon was the last time I can legitimately remember thinking that OSU's coaches out-thought the opponent.

In the same theme, Harbaugh has out-coached Meyer the last two years, but OSU's superior talent won out. What does that mean for the game this year when they finally have a competent QB and their defense is miles better than Purdue, Minnesota, and Indiana?

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MichiBuck12's picture

I've heard before, and I think it applies to Urban more than most. A lot of high profile/powerful people would rather fail doing it their way than succeed doing it someone elses way. Thats the only way I can think to describe Urban. He is one of the best coaches in college football. But like everyone he has his strengths and weaknesses. We all know what those weaknesses are, yet he absolutely refuses to change.

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ToTheHouse's picture

Pride goes before a fall.

We're falling Harder every week.

Will even a bye wk change him ?

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

I have way too many friends from Purdue - it has been an awful weekend. We lost to a 3-3 team that is rarely even bowl eligible. I’m not recovered. 

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jinx's picture

Question for the really educated football people on this thread...we have a problem(s), so we need a solution(s).  If you were coach, what do you change or tweak to get us through the rest of the season?  I'm curious, thanks! 

jinx

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buckeyepastor's picture

It’s not just scheme and fundamentals.  I fear it is also to do with mindset and leadership.  Previous years we have had these games and emerged more focused and finished looking a lot more determined and consistent, but unlike previous years, I don’t know who the leaders are on this team who lead that re-set.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Buckeyepastor, you are absolutely correct! In fact, it looks as if coaching leadership could be included in this as well.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Head of nail, meet Buckeyepastor’s hammer.  

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

In the real world you would ask the 8 million dollar man what the solutions are. Next the million dollar DC and OC. inefficient because nobody has the guts to ask serious hard questions and expect accountability. Self inflicted wounds and incompetence. Until changes are made - everything stays the same. Behind many other teams is where we sit today. Maybe, hopefully, if.....
Stop it.
Coach Day was calling the plays and we looked much better. Now the 2018 version of disappointment.

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buckeye_chick's picture

Absolutely. We are a collection of talented athletes...not a team.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

And yet...in just a few short weeks, OSU will return to the field and look like the champions we expect them to be. Guaranteed. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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rkylet83's picture

I wish I shared your optimism.  This team is what it is and its shown it every game this year.  The difference is coaches are learning how to game plan for Haskins better.  

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Just trust me on this. Channel the feeling after PSU. Remember that feeling? Yeah, thats it. We’re that team, and we will fix these issues. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Did any issues get fixed after IU?  After Minnesota?  Hell, even after Tulane? NO.  The issues were clear as day even if we squeezed out the W.  It has been the same issue week after week after week.

And every week Urban says “ we need to get better” or  “we need to work on that.” Urban is as lost as the DBs.

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mb5599's picture

OldTownBucknut would like to have a word with you, you fucking fair weather fan......................

Big B

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Johnny Depth's picture

Not sure who it was but I do remember before the season started that some of the staff said Purdue was the trap game this year

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JMeadows's picture

Purdue has been the trap game since the mid eighties at least.  The lesson that no one seems to learn is that amazing things can happen if you've got the right motivation and they have it against the Buckeyes.  Hell, every sports fan in the world loves the movie Hoosiers because it makes everyone, even Buckeye fans, know the glory of winning as an underdog.  If I were head coach at OSU I'd make sure the team saw this movie at least once a year at the start of the Big conference games and make it clear to them that this is what they're going to be up against once or twice every year.  

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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Scott62's picture

I’m resigned to only hoping for a win over TSUN.  Their antics before and after MSU are great example of how they and their fan base really are after a meaningful win.  Everyone forgets how they act because it’s been so long since they’ve had a meaningful win.

Was in BW’s when their game was on and bunch of TSUN fans were in there.  Talk about obnoxious.  Then they acted like they won they Super Bowl.  It was awful.  I can’t stand when people say they want TSUN to win every game but us.  This is the crap we get.  It’s worse now as they don’t know how to win and act like they’ve won before.  Screw them and their little fan base too.  Find a way to beat TSUN and everything else will take care of itself.

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Woody5Natty's's picture

I don't see how you completely forgot how to run block or keep your gap integrity in 9 months.  We have major problem's that need to be addressed.  We get 4-5 star recruits every year, we are one of the few teams that reload not rebuild.  And that my friends lies upon coaches to do their job.  If it wasn't for Haskins we would be 4-4 at best, I love the player til we get to the 10 yard line, then it's time to put Martel in to finish the drive.... We need a little of that Miller or Barrett swag in short down and goal line distance....

Taterhead1

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I believe we’re all probably in agreement that the coaching has been bad.  But I also wonder if OSU has “reloaded” with blanks in some positions.  

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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ToTheHouse's picture

That be the empty case(pun intended) refill with another 4-5 star, the stables as we know are loaded. Their not all blanks.

But it most likely won't happen. Shoot there's a very live tool waiting in the URB holster (aka Tebow jr.)

Based on everything we've seen...coach gonna dry fire..."fix it"...NOT.

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zurdo248's picture

Saturday you sounded like you would be surprised if the Buckeyes but today you say you aren't surprised? Is it time to ditch the sill Get dumped then...?

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Those who want Tator on 3rd and short and goalline stuff remember that the same line that blocks for our backs will be the same line blocking for him.

Noon games suck

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buckeyepastor's picture

True.  But the thing with a read option when you have a mobile QB is that a lineman or LB or end getting through is not a problem, so long as we read where they commit to and move the ball elsewhere.  

Maybe theproblem is sort of in that design.  The read option game we have used for years allows for the run game to succeed even if a guy gets through.   Almost depends on a guy getting through, so the read can occur.  But conventional handoffs as we are reduced to now, it’s not feasible for guys to get through.  But then again, Coach Studrawa has had since Spring to prepare these guys to block of a more conventional run game.  He has failed to coach them up.  Others have failed in not drawing up the blocking assignments and utilizing traps, pulling lead linemen, extra tight end, whatever to make it work.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Our O line is unquestionably big. Are they not strong ? Purdue has lesser talent dancing after a huge upset victory. Maybe a blanket endorsement shouldn't go to our strength and conditioning coach. We can't run against most weaker teams. WHY ?

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ToTheHouse's picture

BP nailed it.

"...failed to coach them up."

But, but Coach Part 2: refill the blank.

Ain't gonna happen.

Please, please prove us arm chairs all wrong.

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

Tupicall teams learn and get better as the year goes on. Not here....hmmm wonder why?

Mark May is a mental midget

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Shockersmad's picture

They knew coming into the season that Haskins couldn't run the ball like Jt. They should have install the power I back into the fold. I dont know what UFM has against the Qb under center. Put in Tuf at fullback and even have playaction available as a tool. I personally don't think Tate will solve the problem. Jt was bigger and a bruiser in short yardage. Is they going to trust Tate to throw in crucial moments against State and ScUm. I don't know they didnt let Braxton and he was the starting Qb unless Braxton was still hurt. On defense they should give Hooker a chance at safety or move Sheffield to safety. Sit Arnett let Wade and Okudah start at Cb and coach them up. If we lose another game like this everyone job should be up for grabs including coaches.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

"Never in my life have I had to deal with with the Wolverines as a legitimate threat and engage with Michigan Men that aren't just beaten into submission. I ain't about to start this year."

This is what I and other's who have been around the "rivalry" for decades have tried to tell you all. You have no idea obviously what these insufferable Pr(*&s are like. Their elitism attitude is not reserved just for the team rivalries, it's taught to them from the time they are born and reinforced when they get on campus, and it is directed at everyone and everything that isn't "Michigan".

You all might not have been as aware as those of us who live here are of the absolute visceral dislike of MSU by Michigan alum. The Nasser situation this summer brought it to a boil . There were no less than half a dozen threads at any time on Mgo summer and early fall on not just the Nasser verdict , MSUs response administratively to it,etc. but to the installment of Engler(former gov) as interim president(naturally, Mich fans believe he's there to cover up something, since he's an MSU alum), and the absolute conviction of Mich fans that anyone who would choose to go to MSU is stupid, a sexual deviant, that the campus has daily rapes in broad daylight, that rampant grade fixing goes on , Dantonio and Izzo are aware that most of their players are rapists but cover it up with the help of campus police, Lansing law enforcement and the county prosecutors office. That the entire university is filled with idiotic students who are there to party and a degree from there is worthless because no one with a brain teaches there.

The behavior of Harbaugh's team, for which I believe the Big Ten should sanction in some form, is an expression of that. I seem to remember Harbaugh being fined by the league very early in his tenure there for something derogatory he said about a game's officiating staff. How about fining him for the "bush league " comments and his players coming out and wiping their feet on Sparty pre game, and interfering with the band?

The arrogant , elitism was on display full force here Saturday night, when Blu Fan showed up on one of the post game threads with a bullet point list of each deficiency he observed in the Buckeye's Saturday night, complete with each point followed by a detailed description of what could be done to fix it. One of the mods politely told him to get out and go celebrate on one of his teams boards. His post was a perfect example of a Michigan fan pretending to be "above it all" while giving you a backhanded, insulting lecture about why you are never going to rise to the Michigan level.

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MichiBuck12's picture

As a fellow Michigan resident, all I can say to this is PREACH IT BROTHER! The arrogance up here is unbelievable. Its amazing the high horse they ride on when they have absolutely zero class from the coach to the players to the fans. They are pathetic and I hope they lose every game from now to eternity. Being sore losers is one thing, but being sore winners is just sad.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

I'm posting in the wrong thread. Is there any way to actually delete a post?

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

M I the only one tired of watching teams.of 2 star recruits push around our offense and defense? Where's the fight? Where's the toughness?

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Poco Loco's picture

Something to consider. Purdue's three losses were by a total of 7 points. They have been improving and may be the best team in the West.

a hard rock miner from Butte, Montana

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d gordon a's picture

Martell has done nothing wrong to not get the chance to run the RPO offense Meyer loves.  With a fake from 7 to 25 or 2 there is no option other than pass.  Meyer is stubborn and will loose Martell because of it.  What a shame!

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WezBuck28's picture

^^^Bingo!!

We all know Haskins is a stud, you can take him out for a few series..it certainly can't make things worse, especially in the red zone..

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JoshieD's picture

Had to login just to comment on this.

Last year we got beat at home by OU and blown out on the road at Iowa...then finished the year by CRUSHING MSU, beating TTUN on the road with a backup QB who never saw meaningful minutes until that moment, won the B1G Championship against an UNDEFEATED Wisky team, and beat a good USC team in the cotton bowl.

It was the second-most successful season of the Urban Meyer era (only 2014 was better).
 
Please...save us all the concern-trolling and just have fun watching the Buckeyes grow, get better, and win another conference title.

vicariously living through tOSU since 1987...

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Too bad for Markus Bailey, the best linebacker on the field Saturday by a humungous margin. If he had only played his high school ball in the South instead of in Hilliard, the Buckeyes might have known who he was

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whalewars's picture

When will be getting a write up about our extra special,  special teams? We did the little things that game, missed field goal, gave up a fake field goal conversion, running into the kicker. That stuff is fine, but we have seen it a million times (since our $7M coach coaches them,) but what about the really special, special teams play we saw Saturday night? I mean, has anyone ever seen a kickoff return to our own one inch line? I don’t think that that has ever been done, 1st and 99.99! However fun as that was to watch, it doesn’t hold a candle to #53 attempting the greatest punt block ever attempted. Now, you have to remember that this happened after our weekly “running into the kicker” penalty — and you have to assume that our $7M special teams coach said something like, “Hey guy, do not RUN into the kicker!” So, #53 had to get imaginative.  What if I hand spring and somersault through the air like an Olympic gymnast? No way I could possibly “run” into the kicker! My guess is that there were quite a few bets on the Ohio State sideline as to whether or not he would actually attempt it. 

Well, in our $7M coaches head, #53 (Purdue will never expect this move out of a stout lineman rather than someone a little more “fit”) was supposed to block the punt with his feet up in air, continue forward flip, landing on his feet into a forward roll picking ball up off ground and run it back for touchdown — which would have turned the game around. The $7M Coach had the right play call on. Not his fault That  #53 didn't do it as instructed. Actually this is the old "somersault-over-your-own-man-block-the-punt-with-your-feet-play" variation. 

It would have easily been the play of the year had it worked.

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I read an interesting theory this morning. The hypothesis goes that Urban Meyer and all of the other coaches are pushing the “we are way too banged up to succeed” narrative in order to excuse themselves from any type of coaching changes in the off-season. In short, if Urban is back (I’m not so convinced that he is) so is the entire coaching staff, excepting Day leaving for an HC opportunity.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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BullRusher's picture

That's scary

A good general always makes you search for his weaknesses. - Woody Hayes

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

I'm enough of a longtime Browns fan to recognize "we're ravaged by injuries" as the lame excuse it usually is. 

It's fair to expect a dropoff of the pass rush due to the loss of Bosa. But the offense has if anything been unusually healthy all season, and not having Bosa certainly doesn't explain our issues on that side of the ball.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

The bye week couldn't of came at a more perfect time. On to the next one, #GoBucks #BeatNebraska 

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Buckfrombirth's picture

A case could be made that it came a week too late, but your point is well taken. 

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

You are absolutely correct. We are going to learn a lot about what kind of leadership this team has from top down with how they come out against Nebraska. Nebraska is a team that is getting better every week and can put up some points. It's going to be a wild ride the rest of the way, don't count the Bucks out yet. I fully expect The Game to be for the B1G East championship, and the winner of that game in my opinion will be one win away from a spot in the CFB playoffs. 

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NoFancyUserName's picture

CAN SOMEONE TEACH HASKINS HOW TO PROPERLY SLIDE PLEASE?! THAT ATTEMPT LOOKED PAINFUL.

You're either at the table, or on the menu!!

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