The Dichotomy of Urban's Loyalty

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WrightBuckeye's picture

Very well said. I also think the coaching turnover plays a role in the teams poor performance. If I remember correctly Urban only asks for 2 years out of his coaches at which point they can leave.  Does Saban do the same at Alabama? It seems like his coordinators end up staying longer, although it seems to be changing in be last few years. 

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raiderred's picture

Saban I’d say has even more turmoil than meyer over the past couple of years. He’s had like 4 offensive coordinators (kiffin, sarkisian, daboll, and locksley) in the past two years.

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KINGBUCKEYE419's picture

Everett Withers had to go in 2013. He did we won. Tom Should have run Zeek more in 2015 but he is a good coach. Changes need to be made on the staff but you make some good points.

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

If you're referring to Herman, he was in Houston in 2015.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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Hateblue's picture

Tom wasn’t the offensive coordinator in 2015..King Beck and Warriner were running the show because Tom had gone to Houston. 

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KINGBUCKEYE419's picture

My mistake. Yeah wasn't sold on Beck but Warriner is a great O-Line coach. They should have run Zeek more in 2015.

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Hateblue's picture

The issue I have with the loyalty he displays isn’t the fact he hangs by his coaches, it’s that he ignores their shortcomings. You can be loyal to a guy while still taking him behind closed doors and telling him to get his sh*t together. I feel that’s what’s needed for Davis and Studrawa. Urban is loyal to his coaches, but are they loyal to him? I would argue that the majority are not. 

I feel like there is no development of our assistants. They either work out like Herman, Coombs, and Drayton, or they go find “other opportunities”. Why doesn’t Urban break down what he wants to see from HIS team and guide the assistants? Maybe he does, but it doesn’t seem like that’s going on. 

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faux_maestro's picture

I think you are overselling the sentiment about Braxton vs. Kenny. But that loyalty to Braxton contributed to a loss vs. Clemson in the Orange Bowl when everyone it the world but Urban could see Braxton's shoulder was hanging on by a thread. Maybe we win that game with a little more loyalty to winning.

Who else was Urban putting in other than Taylor Decker? We were still thin on the line from the end of the Tressel/Walrus era.

When we had 2 scholarship quarterbacks, would you jettison one of them? That wasn't loyalty to Cardale.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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youra6's picture

Good point everyone forgets about the first Clemson game. Guiton would have easily won the game for us. Braxton barely had an arm to throw on and Kenny had been clutch for his entire career.

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

Guiton had something like 14 touchdowns in those 3 games. I may have overstated it, but I think it was a tougher decision than you're making it out to be.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I feel like on the balance his loyalty has been more often than not detrimental. 

Sure there are examples of Meyer not giving up on players and allowing them to flourish. Terry McLaurin was basically a traffic cone for a while, but he's become a great receiver because Meyer believed in his potential. Until the last few games I might have also included Isaiah Prince in this discussion. 

But then there are so many more examples of how Meyer drops the ball because he trusts or likes someone even though they're not the best person for the job. Zach Smith, Tim Beck come to mind. JT Barrett is a weird case because he came in clutch more often than he floundered, but when he floundered it was painful, and Meyer seemed the only one who didn't see it. In no shape or form should Meyer have played a hobbled JT Barrett against Wisconsin when he had a healthy Dwayne Haskins. Nick Saban benches JT after Iowa, or possibly even after Oklahoma, and I'd guess Saban probably would have been proven right if he had--he usually is, as much as I don't like the man. 

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TeddyKGB's picture

"a no name linebacker from Buffalo"

That's some wild ass revision  

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OSUAeroEng's picture

Yeah, I clearly remember the announcers raving about him as being a guy to look out for during the game.

But the truth is, the world is so much stranger than that. So much darker. And so much madder. And so much better.  -Dr. Who, "Love and Monsters"

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CharlieBuckeye's picture

Said it on another thread - go to Cleveland Plain Dealer and read an article by Doug Lesmires who writes a great article about Urban Myers loyalty to coaches - 

1) He is following same pattern while at Florida

2) when he won the Natty in 2014 - the majority of the coaches on his staff he did not have prior relationships with

Very interesting read. I would embed but am having trouble getting the link to embed.

GO BUCKEYES!!!!

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Chicago Connection's picture

There are some exceptions to Meyer's stubborn affections, as the original poster duly notes, but on the whole, personally, I christen the aforementioned "dichotomy" as... "MEYER'S INVERSE LAW!"

It's a simple theory (as follows): 

The more loyal you are to unworthy people, the more they will betray you, and the more you will EVENTUALLY suffer for it. The axiom further posits that you will have betrayed yourself through your own misguided fidelity. 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

From what I understand, the book on Meyer is that he’s one of the GOATs when it comes to assembling his initial coaching staff at a school, but mediocre at finding equal or better replacements when the ironical hires move on to other opportunities, Withers notwithstanding. 

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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kpgobucks's picture

There is a difference between giving young players time to improve and learn from their mistakes vs. giving overmatched coaches too much time and they end up wasting talent. The last 3 years we have absolutely wasted loaded teams because Urban is not decisive and also not keeping up with the times. The downfall of all great coaches was they were stuck to the past and loyal to their assistants e.g. Bob Stoops (Kept Mike Stoops on staff too long), Joe Pa (Kept Jay P around), Bobby bowden etc etc The list keeps going. Unfortunately it looks like Urban Meyer is the next name on that list

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