No. His best chance was 2015. He seems to lose a game yearly he should not lose. I don't feel like he heart is in it right now. No fire. No energy. Just going through the motions. Feel the events of the summer have broken his spirits.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
2015 was a heartbreaker. That team had everything going for it.
Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0
is it possible we’re still hung over?
Yet another coaching debacle that cost them a title.
Since many a NC is won by a team that has one loss, losing a game you should not lose (aka an upset) is fairly common and not an indicator of ineligibility for an NC.
On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.
An ordinary upset shouldn't be disqualifying for the playoff, but Ohio State didn't suffer an ordinary loss.
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That's weird because I see plenty of energy from Urban. But it's the bad kind: nervous, anxious, unfocused.
They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.
Ya he looks lost. The off season took its toll mentally. He doesnt need this shit really. He needs to evaluate if he wants to be here anymore. Winning cures everything though.
His body language shows a coach that is supremely confident in his players to make costly mistakes and for calls/plays to not go their way. His demeanor used to oooozzzzzeeeee confidence in his players and their ability to execute, smash their opponents and win. It is my belief that what he sees all week in practice comes out in his behavior on Saturday. He wears his emotions on his sleave in-game.
When are we wearing alternate uniforms?
At this point in time I'd say no for a myriad of reasons most of which is self inflicted..
If he gets this program back to the basics. Get back to having teams that play with an attitidude and with fire.
He also needs to tweak the offensive system.
I'd take a focus on the basics like blocking and tackling and not cartwheeling into the punter. But if I'm being realistic I would admit that undisciplined play has been a hallmark of Urban's teams at OSU and I don't expect that to change.
That was quite the cartwheel, too. Big man with the cartwheel face kick. We got talent for sure, we're just deploying it in the strangest of ways.
Yeah I gave that cartwheel a 2/10. It lacked brains
As someone who rushed punts...can someone tell me why a 310 pounder is barreling towards the kicker?
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
Right, and the problem is, once you get those 18 wheels rolling, it's hard to stop! ;)
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
nope and unless things change, recruiting is going to start suffering.
Agree. Pretty soon the national attraction will wear off.
i don’t think Urban is a sustainer, like someone else said, he can rebuild but gets results quick and not lasting. That’s not to say we won’t win 10 games a yr most years and 11 in some years but I don’t think we will go toe to toe with Bama, Clemson, Ga unless there are enormous improvements in culture and attitudes
As long as he's flooding the draft with Buckeyes every April, recruiting isn't going to suffer.
Bottom line, the program is about recruiting future NFL players and getting them into the league as soon as possible. The upshot is you build insanely talented teams. The downshot is guys have their eyes elsewhere as soon as they start to pop up in mock drafts. I absolutely believe that's why we've seen a lack of passion and fight from the team.
Not that I want to, but I think I have to give Coach Urban a mulligan here for this season. It's easy to see how he lost control and focus of this team and the lingering effects that the suspension is having.
I'd wait until next season to see if the fire is rekindled (for Ohio State or elsewhere) or is a permanent mind set and/or he has been in effect broken by these events and the passion is just not there anymore.
I think we as fans underestimate how much of the team's destiny or chemistry is predetermined in the off-season.
It would be unwise to underestimate him. He's on a very short list pantheon of coaches with 3 Natty's and still relatively young.
This is a very fair take.
Can definitely see a difference in his persona since returning. Any and all solutions are correct if they end with “and fire Drake”.
I wonder what Gene has said to him on how this team is performing this season?
The more you act like a lady the more likely he’ll act like a gentleman.
Agree 100. The guy has to measure everything he says and does, and I don't blame him under the circumstances. Everyone is very emotional right now, hell I am too.. But seriously? Who the hell is out there that you'd be willing to give the keys too? Gus Malzahn (SP)?? Gene Chizic (SP)? Brohm? Fleck?? Or even Fickell or Vrabel?? Everyone needs to calm down. All the goals ae still possible.. We don't want to or need to go down the primrose path of replacing coaches.. Now give it a year and I may change my mind..
Pigskins & Porkrinds
Pretty sure Campbell from ISU gets a call before any of the ones you listed with the possible exception of Fickell.
Brohm is the only other one I'd be interested in on that list. Day should get an interview.
But I'd still rather Urban than any of those guys.
Agreed. Also, this team is young in terms of on-field experience. (Haskins, the secondary, some of the LBs)
This is a good take. Would I cry if Meyer threw a hissy fit and quit after the season-no. Has the team/program deteriorated to the point where firing him is a necessity-like w/ Matta-no. Your point about a team's destiny being forged in the pre-season is well taken-and said destiny usually can't be changed mid-season, despite the desires of interwebz howlers.
I have to say no as well. I don't want to allow what happened right before the season this year to be an excuse but it just seems like he has aged so much in a very little amount of time. Obviously we are only fans and aren't around the guy on a daily basis but it seems like every time we see the guy he needs a nap. The problem is the guy can recruit out of this world and it gets us so close but so far because of his faults. I hate to be that fan that wants to see him gone after a loss even though he won a title but I just don't see another nc with him here.
Not with Bill Davis coaching the LBs
Bill Davis logged on to downvote you. I'll give you a plus 1 only because I can't give plus 2...
I gave him one for u. It’s all I got
Not sure about that. I think Bill Davis would have tried to have someone log on for him but that person got beat in coverage, missed a tackled, and then chased a guy 50 yards downfield and forgot to downvote. Methinks it was someone else.
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I think the wind is out of the sails of this staff. I would love to see Urban retire at season's end and for us to go after a younger staff. Matt Campbell comes to mind. I think that Urban is the type of coach whose message wears thin after a while.
I have thought this before. Like maybe Meyer burns too hot to sustain something beyond year six. His career path suggests there's something to this.
This isn't a strong hunch. It is actually self-professed. As you know, o e of Urban's mentors is Lou Holtz, who he quoted as saying nothing good comes after year 7 - alludingto his own tenure at ND, and Urban took that to heart....so I don't see us winning another unless he changes his philosophy to one that is similar to Saban's (ie, win at all costs, loyalties be damned).
"I don't apologize for anything. When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes
If Cam Newton didn't get caught cheating at Florida, and thus being forced to transfer out to a JuCo, I see Urban Meyer's tenure at Florida lasting a few seasons longer than it did.
As it stands, I think he'll retire in a season or two from Ohio State.
I’m not firing him, but I’m expecting him to make necessary adjustments on his staff. Davis, Wilson, Schiano, maybe even Stud need to find their next positions.
Read my entire screen name....
I agree. He needs to do it now.He won’t. I bet 4/5 of the staff back next year
Agree with Stud. This line is under performing, undisciplined, and seem lost at times.
Davis is obvious.
I was at the fiasco which was Saturday night. I had seats 4 rows from the end zone. We got there early and I saw the team come out for warm ups in their shorts and spandex shirts. I was amazed at how few looked like football players without their pads on. I met many of the team in the early 80s most of them you would guess were football players based on physique. The only ones I saw on this team, who impressed me as physical "football" specimens were Dobbins, Weber, built like little tanks, and the D linemen, they looked like they bench pressed cars. O linemen were just tall lanky guys, LB i saw looked small also. They were in shape, but did not, to me, look like they played football. Maybe our O line is too tall and losing leverage as a result. Just my 2 cents.
"You're not going to be recognized for too much success. We've had 11-1 and 10-1 football teams that lost to Michigan and they're not even mentioned in the second breath."
-- coach Earle Bruce on what losing to Michigan meant to Ohio State
I agree about the comment regarding the oline's height. Maybe why they can't run the ball.
I don't know. No one does, obviously, so all we can do is guess. I think this season, relative to the recruited talent, has been an abject failure. This has to be one of the worst 7-1 college football teams of the modern era. They cannot run the ball, they cannot play defense, they're physically soft, and mentally weak... and Meyer handpicked the recruits and built them into the apathetic disaster that they currently are. He seems to have lost his edge, and in his past coaching lifetime, when he lost his edge and his team was floundering, he quit, and came back, and then quit again. As I sit here right now, I'll say no to the question posed, mostly because I believe it's 50/50 that Meyer coaches Ohio State beyond this season. If he's going to win titles again, he'll have to redefine what he considers important in his assistants and in the players he recruits, and make significant changes in the way he manages the program.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
No, it’s obvious even before this year tha5 he lost the internal fire needed to win it all. 10 win seasons maybe but he is not committed to excellence as he once was.
If only you knew the POWER of the Dark Side
10-2 or 11-1will be homage to Bruce who could not get past 8-4
You talkin' about old 9-3 Earle?
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
"The recipient of Oyster's ONLY down vote".
Not a hell of a lot of difference in a 9-3 Earle, and a 10-2 Urban.
You’ve crossed the line from just stupid to subhuman intelligence levels. You’re comparing one of the winningest coaches in history, with three NCs at 2 different schools; whose floor is two losses. To a coach who, once he used up Woody’s players couldn’t break through the 3 loss ceiling? Man, go find another sport to watch. I’d recommend U-6 tee ball. Apparently it’s more your level. You can yell at little Shirley for running to third instead of first.
No, it’s obvious even before this year tha5 he lost the internal fire needed to win it all.
Because you watched him coach this team in the preseason.....oh wait. Never mind
Because you’re in attendance at practice and are shadowing him with recruits, so that’s how you know this?
Quit pulling shit out of your ass. It stinks.
Your unnecessarily combative tone is probably what you're smelling. Just say that you disagree with someone's take like an adult and stop being a jerk. There are plenty of reasonable people conversing as such in this thread.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
I'm tired of the crap that gets spewed as knowledge here. take some pride and put some thought into your post instead of just venting like a 13 year old girl.
No. I’ve always felt he was a great builder of a program but not a great sustainer of a program.
So he can start over and build from this. He has a bye week to do it!
He is capable of doing so, but I think he needs to make some adjustments. Starting with being more meritocratic and less nepotistic, including willing to fire staff and replace starters.
Agreed. The loyalty card is maxed out. The future has to be totally fucking ruthless, I think.
EDIT: I thought totally fucking ruthless was what we'd get this year after that offseason.
I thought so too. I also think he had to just jump into the fire with game planning and everything else. If he is our coach next year and he doesn't adjust this upcoming offseason then I think we can the project that totally fucking ruthless ain't gonna happen.
This, we need ruthless, cut-throat "juiced up" Urban back. Not this soft-ass, everyone play patty-cake to not hurt feelings crap.
He's seen what being loyal to shitty coaches gets you. But also, I think we are seeing the effects of the massive amount of DBs we've put in the league in the last 3-4 years. The LBs, well, I don't think Borland or Werner should be in there. I'd rather have athletically gifted players making mistakes than terrible guys just getting destroyed.
I do think alot of the offenses problems come from a stubborn-ness on Urban's part. It's very obvious that he has some control of play-calling, simply by looking at how fast we were going at the beginning of the year compared to now. Also the fact that we have like 3 running plays that are very telegraphed. I'm ready for a Tate package in the RZ and on short yardage.
This was a word vomit post and I apologize, lots of frustration the last few weeks.
That was th narrative, at least. Lots of narrative going around.
He could with the right assistant coaches, just like he has 3 times before, throw in an undefeated season, big 10 titles, bowl victories,
And UNDEFEATED vs ttun.
National championship aside, do we really want to risk losing to the wolverqueens on a regular basis because we lost 1 or 2 games we shouldn't have?
It. Is. Time.
people need to stop talking about "attitude and fire"
schemes win games, not "attitude and fire"
we've been outcoached almost every game this season, just our talent was the difference. He has NOT adjusted to having a throwing qb in a spread offense. That falls on urban and day. they are acting like we still have JT barrett in the shotgun every snap. it's really obnoxious. the difference is, teams are stacking the box, they just know not to key in on haskins as a runner.
people need to stop talking about "attitude and fire"
schemes win games, not "attitude and fire"
I think you're Flat. Out. Wrong. A combination of the two wins games. You can scheme until you pass out... when apathy pervades the team you're not going to win, and you can have Tom Landry and Bill Walsh as your coordinators, but it won't matter when no one cares.
He's also flat out wrong in that they haven't adjusted the scheme.
I’m going to have to wait and see, as I remember saying he had lost his fire after the VaTech game in 2014 and we all know how that year turned out. I’m not saying the team is going to turnaround and win the Natty this year, but I don’t think it is fair to count him out just yet. Only time will tell I guess.....
One of the biggest predictors of future national titles by a coach is past national titles by a coach. There are two active coaches who have won multiple national titles, and we have one of them. I mean Urban has as many national championships at Knute Rockne and Barry Switzer. He's clearly an elite coach, regardless of what's happening right now.
Can he win another? Yes.
Do I think he will? I actually don't know.
And that's the thing---if we were to can him/part ways, who do we get? Because that person will be unproven and as we've seen recently, canning a successful coach has not resulted--typically--in success for that program. Miami has never won a national title since canning Coker. Texas hasn't won anything since Mack Brown. Tennessee is going on 20 years now. Auburn hasn't returned to their 2010 success since firing Chizik. We risk becoming the moronic program that fired its winningest coach for someone likely unproven.
This is a roundabout way of saying...I don't know. I don't know if Meyer will win another, and I certainly have absolutely no idea if the person who would replace him will.
Random Edit: I've never done this before so I feel like it's my chance:
Larry Coker? Wow.
He made amazing hires when he first came in on his staff. He failed initially to replace Herman and it cost them the 2015 championship. He has failed to replace Fickell. He failed in replacing Combs to this point. He has failed to replace Warriner as OL coach even if that situation wasn’t his fault.
Johnson, Day and Hartline are the only assistants I have confidence in on the staff at this point. I don’t know what Schiano’s deal is with having the linebackers at the line of scrimmage. It’s new this year and obviously incredibly ineffective
When I think of Ohio State, I think of: smash mouth play (great lines), great defenses (silver bullets) and great running backs. Every National Championship team OSU has fielded had these three elements. Right now the Buckeyes are missing two of the three.
I feel like this team as currently structured and coached is closer to going 8-4 next season than it is to winning another national title.
Something needs to change.
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
Agreed. I think Tate will need to be Manziel 2.0 (sober version) for us to avoid an 8-4 season.
My step mom went to Nebraska, so I had the opportunity to make them my no2 or 3 since I was a kid and I did and do dig the huskers. So anyway, back in the late 80s half the Nebraska fanbase wanted Osborne gone. I was on the fence as a kid. He seemed to be stuck in the mud. Then something happened and Nebraska went on that Tommy Frazier Lawrence Philips Scott Frost run. As a Browns fan around the same time, grown adults wanted Bellicheck fired. These guys often find themselves when you least expect it. I want to see what happens
Lets rally around the family, with a pocketful of shells. Or at least Buckeyes.
Go Bucks. Still love us even if wounded.
Thanks man! I really do hope we see this man get this turned around for him as well as all of us.
+1 for the Rage Against the Machine reference.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
really good points about Osborne. I don't think Nebraska won a NC until like his 22nd year as the coach.
Woody won 4 Big Ten titles in his first 17 years. He won 9 in his last 11 years.
Anyone else get nauseated during the obligatory talk with president Drake during halftime?
I hate to say this because I love the great state of Ohio and the university, but there arent a whole lot of things about Ohio State that make me feel GOOD at this point in time.
No. I believe the best days are behind him. He so stuck in not doing anything that it has become easy to hang with OSU. Yes I said easy. Going back a few years. Teams that had no business of playing with them have stuck around late into games. It is a product of knowing exactly what they were going to do. That is one of the reasons the offense stalls and is slow. Only when talent takes over do they move the ball. Teams take away an aspect and it kills the offense. Yet they continue to try and do it. My wife and non OSU friends always ask me for a couple years why do they run JT up the middle every play. My 9 year old used to say JT up the middle. He is so predictable on offense that you don’t have to spend much time planning. My friends watched OSU MSU JT second year. He was laughy(MSU fan) said I’ve never seen anything like that same thing over and over. Watched another MSU game said that’s the same thing OSU did last me nothing changed. He was calling the plays.Also why keep Prince in the game. That guy gets beat and false starts. Here comes excuses
He will not. Don't think he'll ever have another opportunity like 2015, or 2017 for that matter. I know NCs are hard to come by, but 1 in 7 years is disappointing, ESPECIALLY when you also consider the absence of B1G titles in addition. Urban hasnt adapted his scheme and he is relying on stale, easy to defeat concepts and refuses to change. When teams like Iowa and Purdue curbstomp you in consecutive seasons, you know there's a problem. This is the equivalent of Vandy and Mizzou beating Bama by 30 in back to back years. It just wouldn't happen.
but 1 in 7 years is disappointing
This attitude is laughable. In the BCS era, only 13 schools have won a NC and only 5 have won more than 1. Urban is 1 of only 2 coaches to win more than 2. And you want tOSU to win MORE than 1 in 7 years. This is a total fanboy take that if you said it out loud to a player would get you laughed out of the room. And you want us to take your opinion seriously?????
Wait, I'm not allowed to Express disappointment? How am I supposed to take YOU seriously with ridiculous statements like that? I'm far from the only person who feels that way, champ.
Nothing wrong with ridiculously high expectations. So long as it is realized that they are extremely high expectations. We have won 2 NCs since 1968. Two. And yet we've been inarguably one of the best programs during that run. It's just not easy to win it all. Michigan has 1/2. No other Big Ten team has even 1 in that time. Texas has 2. OU has 4 but just 2 since 1975. FSU has 3. Clemson has 2. ND has 3. LSU has 2. Florida has 2. Auburn has 1. Tennessee has 1. UGA has 1. PSU has 2 and none since the mid-80s. Nebraska has 5 but has had a pulse in years. Miami has 5 and has hardly had a pulse in years. Those are the other 13 of the top 15 programs of all-time not named Alabama.
As for the Big Ten titles, while your statement is 100% true, but I think it's also 100% fair to acknowledge that by pre-CCG standards, Urban would have won a Big Ten title each and every year he has been at the helm at OSU (which would be 6-straight and counting).
One in seven years is an outright fireable offense. Considering that the team after the "1" was probably the most talented team in college football in the last 20 to 30 years.
I just don't know anymore. Looking at it from wins and losses, sure they're not out of it this year. But, there's just something wrong. I try not to focus on it, but I just don't see improvements which is what baffles me. It just feels like going through the motions ever since 2015. I don't know what to even think. Hell, I was even wrong on my liquor pick for the day.
It does just seem like something is wrong. It's such a vague criticism but they look so disjointed at times. It's hard to put your finger on it.
You're right, man. And I think that's the worst part is if you can't put a finger on the problem, it's hard to solve the problem.
Next year he has his preferred type of QB. Tate is a duel threat guy and it seems like that is what Urban needs. Not saying that will make it better, just that Urban will be back in his comfort zone.
"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes
THE Ohio State University
Im a huge Haskins fan but this is the only argument for why Tate could help us. Meyer looks like a fish out of water with a pro style quarterback.
....this is why I wanted Burrow to start (not starting that debate at all)..simply from a state of Urban being more comfortable with a qb that has some running ability and can throw vs a QB with no threat with his legs at all....I just felt like he is way out of his comfort zone (for better or worse is debatable). This is just one reason of many of why this team just looks lost.
"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM
If this is the case then its a serious indictment on Urban.
It is the case. The same thing happened when he had to play the #1 pocket passing QB (Driskel) coming out of high school at Florida when Tebow left. He bailed, saw Braxton Miller, #1 Dual Threat in the same high school class coincidentally, in person during a broadcast and was lured to Columbus. The facts tell the story!
I tend to agree. It is just amazing to me that a coach cant adapt to the personnel of their team. I'm from Massachusetts and the difference between watching Bill coach and game plan on Sundays compared to urban is mind numbing. I know it's not a fair comparison but urban just seems to struggle scheming up game plans and making changes based on who is on the field.
no cfp team has ever, ever been shellacked like this team 2 straight years. if he gets his fire back, ohio state may contend again, but seriously his body language says "this man has spit the bit". i'm afraid the fucking summer chaos broke him.
If you get a chance read the article by Doug Lesmires @ Cleveland.com as he writes about this very subject - I happen to agree with many of the thoughts he has to write.
One of the points he makes is that he operates with the safety net of prior relationships with his staff. He also points out that when we won the Natty in 2014 - none of the coaches on staff - with the exception of Smith - he had prior relationships with.
"To have a great life simply follow this rule: Do not bring undo conflict into your life..."
Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986
I don’t want Coach Meyer gone. I will question his judgment if he doesn’t pull another 2013/14 defensive coaching change. It’s a foregone conclusion that this is the last year for Schiano anyhow. Let’s see what happens and continue to support the coach. My hopes are that we eliminate the co-coordinator status or designate a hierarchy. Hoping to do away with Schiano and Sturdawa after this year if they are proven complicit in our failings.
If you would’ve told me in 2014 after the VT game that we would beat Wisconsin, Bama and Oregon with Cardizzle Jones at QB I wouldn’t have bought it. There’s one similarity between these 2 teams, our coach. Like Urbs, I’m loyal to a fault- so HELL YES he will!
I will say yes, he will, because that's what I'd like and what the hell does my opinion matter anyway
I can agree that there seems to be some sort of psychological turnaround that Urban Meyer needs to experience in order to give the program a championship hunger that for whatever reason hasn't been apparent recently. But, given his accomplishments, I think there is a much better probability that Urban Meyer leads another championship team at OSU than there is that OSU finds an available HC candidate that has the chops to do so in the near future.
~nothing cleanses the soul like getting the hell kicked out of you
How many soul cleanses do we need? I feel like most of our losses have been beatdowns.
They’re becoming a tradition
Hey, but when that next championship comes, Ohio State will have the purest souls of any winner ever
So there's that
In my opinion, Yes, only after replacing Davis, Studrawa, Grinch and possibly Wilson. Go back to 2013 when Urban replaced Withers and also brought Chris Ash to be DC - A 2014 Natty, Yes I realize that all 4 of these men are replacements but in my opinion not the right fit. Choosing the right personnel is the key here and unfortunately it’s pretty much a crap shoot to get just the right combo. The only thing I worry about is if the ZS BS has destroyed his health and will to remain coaching after this year.
Obviously have no way of knowing this but what are the chances Grinch was brought in and doesn't buy into Schianos way of thinking? Not impressed with the hire at this point but maybe if Schiano were gone and Grinch was given more leeway we would/could see improvement from the secondary..Maybe time will tell...Davis and the LBers is another story altogether
Don't know but I would lean towards yes due to the fact he has done it before. I'm guessing he hasn't forgot how to win a Natty. How many coaches can actually say that not to mention multiple ones at that?
Unless he cleans it up this year because I see him gone after this season.
I don't know. I do think that Schiano has got to go if this team is to get better. I want to see how recruiting goes the rest of the year if you are going to compete against the best you have to get your share of the best players. I don't think this is going to be a quick fix myself. I don't think I would be buying any playoff tickets for next year either.
If he is able to get a couple of good assistants on the defensive side and figures out what they are going to do on offense I think he can win another but it will take time. I'm not a big Schiano fan...I believe he set this program back. Almost any Defensive coordinator could take the players on this team and at least be respectable. He has turned this defense into a joke.
Yes, I believe it's possible. There's an old saying that "The president gets too much credit when things go well and too much blame when things go bad" and I think it's the same for Urban.
Most programs don't have 10 first round NFL draft choices over the last three years (Ward, Price, Lattimore, Hooker, Conley, Bosa, Elliot, Apple, Decker, and Lee). And, add to that other high quality guys leaving like Bell, Thomas, Vannett, Perry, Samuel, McMillan, Elflein, and Hubbard — not to mention a leader like JT and eventually this attrition has to catch up to you.
There has to be someone who can "coach up" all the 4-stars and five-stars that are our OLs and LBs. If we can get that straightened out, I believe an FBS Championship is possible — but we'll seemingly always have to go through Alabama and Clemson.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
This is his last rodeo with OSU. Something will happen and he won't be back in the fall. He once said the hardest thing is "maintaining." He has difficulty maintaining because he lacks the creativity to make the process interesting and it simply doesn't fit the man. He likes to take something that's broken and fix it. Once he's fixed it, he'd like to move on. But then he gets sucked into the maintenance phase and looses interest, gets bored, etc. He will retire, take a year off, and return for one more run somewhere that needs a rebuild, like FL St, Auburn, USC. He will win at least one there and his signature will be winning a NC at 3 different school.
That guy who came in 2012 and said he wanted a pissed off team and called out the wr unit as a clown show is long gone. Looks like a shell of that guy on the sideline now. If his heart isn't in it anymore, I hope he steps down and they do a national search for the next head coach and not just hand the reigns to Day. If Day is the best guy so be it, but I would hope they would look into guys like Brohm.
I think everybody is overreacting to a horrible loss. If we played them first week of the season when we had Bosa, we would have won. Caught them at the wrong time.
Urban can get this team back to the top. He always has been, and continues to be, the right man for this job.
Bucks fans in Mass
At the Purdue presser he wasn’t pissed. He should have been. My guess is he knows he will be retiring due to his health and ride off into the sunset. He brought us a National Championship. He loves his family and will spend his retirement with his kids and grandkids. He has the financial means to enjoy life. And I think he does just that at the end of this season. The ZS debacle and lack of support from Drake has taken its toll. I wish him the best as he is a great man, husband, father and grandfather. His legacy will always be one of the best in OSU history.
This thread probably shows better than most what a shitty fan base we actually have. A season that looks bad and a loss brings out all the idiots. Some know what coaches NEED to be fired right now. Others know precisely what plays aren't being called that should be. Players are ridiculed by people who have no idea what it is like to be up before dawn to do the work that these guys do. Seems a lot of you are just butt hurt that OSU isn't Alabama. And you garner all this "knowledge" from a few hours in front of your fucking TV once a week. Don't give Urban any credit for knowing a bit more about the program and the game than any of us do.
Scarlett & Gray > Blue and Gold
Another year, another 30 point blowout. This time against......Purdue. Last time.........Iowa.
You're probably right though. We're all "idiots."
Coach Meyer is a great coach, but he hasn't been a developer of coaches yet. He inspires players and can come up with schemes, but he doesn't seem to be leading his peers. He attracts them, but doesn't necessarily develop them into better coaches. Super-driven coaches like Herman and Ash see tOSU as a stepping stone and washed up coaches see tOSU as a half way house. Urban has approached his assistants from the wrong perspective. If I'm Gene Smith, then this is an easy problem to fix. I tell Meyer that he replaces 50% of the staff. I help Meyer learn to invest/develop the coaches on the staff and I help him evaluate the coaches. This is an obvious problem of Meyer not being gifted at personnel development. He does awesome stuff with the players- he's probably the best in the nation at working with the players. He just needs to do some of that type of stuff with the coaches. Bring in some new coaches and change the philosophy of their development. Easy problem to fix if he wants to do it.
Urban will not win another title, not here, not anywhere.
I actually have been losing sleep over the future of our great program. On the one hand, Coach Meyer is a role model for me. He has it all, as he has proven multiple times with multiple teams. Also, losing a game you shouldn't happens to a lot of great teams, even Alabama.
Still, having said that, this season feels like the end of an era to me. We have a defense and OL stuffed with 4 and 5 star talent. I am not sure I have seen a Meyer team at OSU actually get worse as the season progresses. This is what it looks like to me at the moment. And the coaching staff does not seem to have any answers.
I think Coach Meyer has earned the benefit of the doubt, but I would be lying if I said I was unconcerned.
"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."
Losing a game to whom you shouldn't too? Ohio St twice now in back to back years got bomb. It's one thing to lose in a close game, but their getting destroyed. Without looking at Alabama's scores I would bet since Nick Saben has been coach he hasn't gotten bomb like that at Tuscaloosa since he's been able to build that program, and his 1st 2 years don't count. Alabama was a mess before he showed up.
"actually have been losing sleep over the future of our great program"
It's football. Take a break.
It sure seems highly unlikely Urban will, unless he holds other coaches accountable and gets back that drive and passion that Nick Saben has.
He is a great recruiter until you need a center....an actual center.
Urban Meyer is a great coach. But all coaches, even great ones, have expiration dates. I hate when people compare Meyer to Osborne saying "look, Osborne got it going again in the 90's, Urban can too!" All coaches and programs are different. This isn't the 90's and Urban isn't Osborne. Urban will go down as one of the greats all time, but we've been saying for four seasons (!) that he is too loyal and too stubborn to adapt. With the combo of the Smith situation and what seems to be health obstacles, I don't have a lot of optimism. Urban is younger than Saban, but man he doesn't look or act it. He looks 54 going on 65. Unfortunately, I think the only way he regains the drive is if he has a change of scenery. He needed one when he left Florida and we gained from it.
This thread is forkin ridiculous. Sorry 11W has turned into every other "buckeyes fan" board on the net. Success has good and bad consequences. The state of this site and it's inhabitants is one of the bad. DV all you want (like any grown man gives a shit about that anyway). Might as well go over to bucknuts or some shit. Laughable. And in the words of one famous person: sad! bad! ... and my flavor: ferkin retarded!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgiM_ypFsRQ <--- scum tears
Why is it ridiculous? Elucidate, friend. Three years in a row now we've lost a game by more than 4 touchdowns. Did you ever think you'd see that from an Urban Meyer-led Ohio State Buckeyes football squad? I didn't.
Shit happens. Get over it (not you, specifically, in general). Has no bearing on the future and to even attempt to predict whether Meyer will win another NC here is stupid and pointless. Hell it could happen this year. You just never know with this sport. The insinuation of Meyer on the hot seat or even a slightly warm one, by our fans is sad. Like... penn state level fans sad. Even scum fans are better than that.... even scum fans.
This would have been a good take post-Clemson and maybe post-Iowa but post-Purdue I think it's pretty out of touch as a response to the team's trajectory & outlook.
Someone posted yesterday that Saban's worst loss at Alabama was by 14 and it only happened once. We compete with them for titles, right?
My advice for them is if they want to be an Alabama fan, I'm sure whatever forum hosts those deranged mouth-breathers is open for registration. To expect perfection from something which you have given zero effort to produce is well, let's just say, a poor mentality to maintain through life. It almost seems kind of like being an entitled little ...... You want a football team that never lets you down, go become a coach and then be perfect. I for one, am damn glad to be a Buckeye fan, 30 point losses to purdue and all. I've gotten to enjoy 2 NC's since 2002. How many teams can say that? And I've gotten to enjoy win after win after win, after win after win, after win, after winnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Are we so delusional as a fan base to always and forever expect Bama dynasty dominance? I don't know man, I just enjoy what is and take the good with the very little tiny amount of bad, which is much, much less than 99% of fans out there have to endure.
These fans can come around with their bullshit when we're sitting at 8-4 for 5 seasons straight.
When a coach is making 7 million a year and in back to back years getting ran of the field with far less superior talented teams, it makes people wander well how can Ohio St. beat the Alabama's of the world?
Earl Bruce coached teams were along time ago.
UV for you, homie.
While I don’t necessarily share your approach, I share your sentiment
I wasn’t old enough to have any awareness of public opinion when Tressel was in charge, but his tenure seems to have withstood some pretty humiliating losses. I expect Urban’s will do the same
I think he gives us the best chance to do so. I do think he needs to shake up the staff a bit this offseason. He needs some more up and comers with new ideas and fire in their bellies. I'd like the O-line to play nasty and the linebackers to play ferocious once again. I think the Grinch and Day hires will pay dividends down the road.
The controversy at the beginning of the year was costly emotionally and stress-wise. I think people forget how hard it is to win a national championship (except for Saban lately). So many great coaches NEVER win one, much less three. I think the future is still bright for OSU football--even with a Boilermaker hangover.
I do NOT think Urban is washed up.
Don't be a prick to people who don't agree with you.
Isn't it a shame you have to even say this?
How about this--"never be a prick."
I agree strongly with both of your statements.
Not with the "Urban friends and family" program coaching the Oline and Linebackers. His hand was forced to get rid of one "friends and family" member and the WRs immediately became a strength of the team. Coincidence? All coaches do it, and I'm not saying it's bad to give someone a chance, but when they don't perform it's time to go ... Tressel had a couple; Meyer has too many.
Your exactly right. There is a fine line between being a friend and being somebody's boss.
No. And he was lucky as hell to win the one in 2014.
He would have zero NC here if Barrett didn't get hurt. Every year since has seen an obvious coaching debacle go unfixed and lead to ever increasing failures so I am very doubtful. 30 point losses annually and each year to increasingly worse opponents....didn't Meyer say after Clemson we should "not get used to this and not accept this" or something of that nature? Next year it will be Cincy that beats us by 30 at this rate.
Right now, Urban is Maverick after he lost Goose. Won't engage and scared.
Historically, a loss has brought Urban back to being Maverick
To suffer early season losses to Oklahoma or even Virginia Tech is one thing. To get blown out in the Fiesta Bowl to Clemson is one thing. Those "nothing was going to go right" nights happen. But the Iowas and Purdues should never happen. Have they ever happened before? They have now happened two years in a row, including the fake field goals and awfully timed opponent drive extending/touchdowns penalties by team leaders and seniors and captains. It just isn't "he always inexplicably loses one game each year" anymore. Iowa and Purdue are different but exactly the same. There's a rot in Columbus.
I supported Urban during the August and September turmoil. The character assassination engaged in by the national sports media made me sick. But the Zach Smith stuff laid everything bare. The failures at Iowa and Purdue and Zach Smith are all inter-related. It goes well beyond misplaced senses of loyalty, family, and friendship. It goes to the core. It's arrogance covering for favor, incompetence, mismanagement, and lack of accountability. And that is a bad place for a program to be in and there is only one person who is responsible.
“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman
Winning a National Championship is somewhat of a crap shoot, bad question. The question posed should have been, can an Urban team get to the Four Team Playoff again. Once there, anything can happen. See his Championship in 2014, when Ohio State was the 4 seed and peaked at the right time. ALSO, your poorly worded query assumes Urban will be head coach at another University. Which is silly at best.
As for getting to another Four Team Playoff? YES!! All that's required is very simple. Figure out how and why his team gets upset once a season by a lesser team, that keeps them from getting to the Playoff. Win the follow games when favored, gets Ohio State to 4 playoffs in a row.
2015 - 14-17 loss to a lower ranked MSU at Ohio State
2016 - 21-24 loss at unranked Penn State
2017 - The Debacle at unranked Iowa.
BTW, Nick Saban is the only coach in history to win more National Championship games than Urban.
He has as good a chance as anyone else out there with perhaps the obvious exception. This team is not NC Material, sorry it took till week 7 for most of us to realize that. Still though we have much to play for and i plan to watch.
This team is national championship material. The coaches aren't.
It feels awful saying this, but I think Meyer's best years are behind him, and I think the 2014 NC was his peak. 2015 was probably his last best chance to cement his legacy as one of the best coaches ever (as well as put him above Woody and Tress as the best ever Ohio State coach), but then MSU happened.
Agree with all of this. Meyer is no longer elite until he proves he can fix the issues that have plagued this team since 2015. While Urban earned respect with 3 titles, we also have 3.5 years straight of deteriorating results. Iowa last year was an anomaly but now, two years in a row? That's a trend and it remains to be seen whether meyer can fix it.
No additional national championship for Urban Meyer at Ohio State.
My speculation is that the Zach Smith saga and subsequent suspension has broken Meyer's football soul and trust in his employer and this has trickled down through out the staff and players. I would not be surprised with a Meyer resignation at season's end even with mega dollars being left on the table.
Too throw out a question, does anyone see or feel that there is also a struggle in the background between Academics (Drake) and Athletics (Smith,Meyer) over control of the university's brand? Will 8-4 and 7-5 seasons be acceptable in the future by the powers that be?
Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72
This is a great question. I haven't considered it but I think you're on to something.
Drake is an academic. If he had the power to do it he'd axe the football program.
Seriously??? Urban isn't one of the best coaches?? Saban is the only coach in history to play in more Championship Games and win more of them than Urban has.
Completely throw out your question about Drake. If it is as you assume and Drake has the power over football you purport. THEN as long as he's at Ohio State every coach will have to be hired from Ivy League schools. ONLY then will Ohio Sate have 8-4 and 7-5 records every year.
FYI your lacking theory means that all of the 8-4 and 7-5 records in the past were due to the President of the University hurting the football team due to an OVER emphasis on academics. LOL
No. His MO is to get a few games into the season and instill his walking on eggshells stress of trying to not lose a game into the team. They tighten up, play everything conservative, and lose all of their fire. Generally, once they get slapped with a loss, they wake up and respond. See the 48-3 thrashing of MSU last year and pummeling TTUN after the loss a few years ago. This is what he does. He looks absolutely miserable and consumed with nervousness on the sidelines. It is not inspirational. I’m hopeful they circle the wagons and rack up some wins from here, but I don’t think he has the magic he came in with. He let Zach Smith cripple the WR group with bad coaching. His best man Billy seems to be doing the same to our LB’s. Poor coaching at multiple areas and he cannot do anything with it.
I think he’s an all time great, but I liked the fire the team had in the 2nd half against TCU. Urban’s Relationship with the president is damaged and I don’t see them as well as Gene Smith all coexisting in the future. Urban can ride into the sunset at the end of the season, leaving us to decide if Day is the answer. Whom ever gets the nod needs to settle on a single DC instead of a hodge podge of ideas from 2 guys. It’s not working.
I'd fire him. We've had at least one of these unexplainable losses to a team that we are vastly more talented than in every season since 2014, and arguably 2013 too against MSU. Our whole team just looks lost and entirely outcoached. 2014 (Virginia Tech), 2015 (MSU), 2016 (Clemson), 2017 (Iowa), 2018 (Purdue). Ok - Clemson was on an equal or higher talent level than us but we looked terrible out there. An embarrassing loss that the national landscape still gives us shit about. Most, if not all of, these losses would not have happened under a competent head coach that knows how to make both scheme and personnel adjustments on BOTH sides of the ball. In my opinion, Urban has proved time and time again that he is not a good in-game coach but rather just a great recruiter. I'm sick of hearing people say we've lost seven games in however many seasons, Urban has 3 national championships, we should be grateful to have him as coaches at his level are hard to come by, etc. Urban has achieved all of this with INCREDIBLE amounts of talent on his teams. We've had dozens of guys that will go on, and have already started, having very successful and lengthy NFL careers on our roster every single year. Most people who know half a shit about the advanced concepts of football and game management could go out and coach these ridiculously talented Ohio State teams and achieve similar results. With the amount of talent we have, Ohio State should be in the playoffs every single year. And we're not. Why? Because we continue to get outcoached by inferior teams, blemishing our record every single year without fail and ruining our chances to compete for a title. I've seen enough, and I think the people saying to give him another chance, see what happens next year, etc. are misguided. As I said above, this has been going on since 2014. He's already had the chance to fix his mistakes and approach year after year, and he hasn't. Another thing that kills me about Urban is his attitude on the sidelines. Anytime something begins to go wrong in a game, he looks completely disjointed, upset, and sometimes nervous as hell. I think this really kills the energy of the whole team when they see their coach like that. Personally I haven't seen guys like Dabo or Saban looking like that on their sidelines often, if at all.
Keeping Urban as the head coach is the safe move, but it's not the right move. He has a high floor, but a low ceiling given our talent level. He'll give us 10-11 wins a season, but the playoff appearances and national title chances will be lower than they should be. And with that, recruiting will inevitably slow down a bit. Personally, I think Day is the best candidate. We looked sharp with him as the head coach at the start of the year. He looked very composed on the sideline. Offensive playcalling was great and I loved the tempo we were playing at. He's also a fantastic recruiter and I think he could step in for Meyer and do just as good of a job on that front. The defensive side of the ball could be concerning, but I think Schiano just needs to go and we need to overhaul a lot of the assistants. Urban has been missing on assistant hires for years now as our key guys have been leaving. Day seems to be held in high regard by coaches and media around the country, I think he has enough clout to bring in an excellent assistant staff if he did get hired. I also think he won't be faulted by nepotism and blind loyalty like Urban has. People like to bring up Campbell, but I haven't been as impressed by him. Sure, he's gone out and beat a few good teams every year - but the consistency hasn't been there. He's also never recruited for a school on Ohio State's level. I don't care that he's from Ohio.
Bit of a rant, but I felt like airing out my thoughts.
No. As long as his staff is a landing place for the coaching detritus buddy system that he has saddled Buckeye Nation with. We pay for, and deserve a coach and staff made up of the best talent available. Then, that staff should be managed and motivated and held to account. No more of Zach Smith, and who knows who else, noshowing at practice or not going on assigned recruiting trips. Are you fricking kidding me!
Urban has not won one game at Ohio State through out coaching a superior opponent. He can only out talent. Recruiting has been his saving grace. Recruiting IS Urban’s coaching. Even that is starting to slip as prospects look at his lack of management and the now annual catastrophic collapses that keep his Uber talented teams from the playoffs. Do you really think we will get Zach Harrison from our own backyard. Nick Saban would have canned the lot of them, or, never hired them to begin with!
i mostly agree but we definitely out schemed the shit out of alabama , wisconsin , msu, oregon. it was easily the best stretch of urbans coaching tenure.
If you asked me before this season started, I would have said yes. But this entire season, he's looked very dejected. I'm not sure if it's his health, if it's the stress from the Zach Smith thing, or whatever, but he doesn't seem like he's got the will to win a national championship. Maybe I'm wrong - I really hope I am - but I seeing the regression year to year is concerning and his almost apathetic appearance.
I'll definitely change my tune if we finish the season strong.
No chance. And get ready, because next season is going to be brutal, especially if Haskins declares.
Absolutely, with no doubt- if given the chance....
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
Unfortunately I think this could be Urban's last year. He appears to be having health issues and the Zack Smith saga appears to just drain him of his passion. I see him stepping away.
Too much entitlement flowing through the program.
Don't forget, in 2014 the senior class had suffered through a 6-7 season and had taken every step on the climb up the ladder. We had senior leaders like Bennett and Evan Spencer and they were backed up by a crazy talented class featuring Zeke / Michael Thomas / Bosa among plenty of others.
Not one player on this current roster has tasted any sort of suffering. It's simply a bunch of future NFL picks biding their time until they get paid. A certain kind of prospect picks Alabama and a certain kind of prospect picks Ohio State. One raises crystal football after crystal football, one seems to have an annual game where they give up and get blown out. Some of the schemes aren't helping right now, but the fire isn't there to begin with.
Yes I think the drama settles over the next year or 2 then he makes some noise. I would like to see Saban retire as I think with the way the college football landscape is set up Alabama will be a real stone wall in recruiting and on the field for the Buckeyes to overcome.
Sure, given the quality of players that he is bringing in. If they had a defense they would be there for sure. I know folks are giving him a hard time but they overlook how hard it is to be as good as he has been in general.
I will admit that this year was rough in terms of things not getting fixed at all. And last year had two losses that were not good.
Given the talent level, this team should rarely lose, and they do rarely lose. They should be better for sure. His best chance may have been 2015 but I am not doom or gloom about it. I think he competes for at least one more along the way. Assuming his health and everything are good.
If he's still here next season and beyond, yes, I still think he can do it. I'm not 100% sure that'll be the case, though. I don't know if it's health issues he may be having (stress, headaches...more likely why he'd leave) or whatever friction with his bosses (over the Zach Smith BS/suspension...less likely to leave over that, but not impossible), but...I'm not at a point where I can guarantee that he'll be here beyond this year. I think it's probably 90% that he will be here, but I see little things like his body language and the headache he had on the sideline...makes me wonder. First time that I believe it's anything less than 100%.
Lot of "sky is falling" attitude around here. Let's see what this team does out of the bye week. Everything is still available. Win out and OSU is going to be in the playoffs. It always seems like with Urban that they play not to lose...until they lose and then they get snapped into reality and play with a chip on their shoulders. This time, the team has TWO weeks to stew on the loss. I believe it's very possible that this team comes out and plays November with the necessary fire. History shows that Urban's OSU teams look very different, in a good way, after a loss (excluding season ending losses, talking mid-season losses). There isn't a team in this league that OSU can't beat (they've already beaten better teams than Purdue). Playoffs may be a different story, but you never know. They said OSU couldn't beat Alabama once before.
Really wish, though, that it didn't have to take a loss to get the team to adjust and play harder. At this point, OSU might as well just lose their season opener every year, and go from there.
Class of 2010.
Osu will definitely get another championship. We are threatening almost every year.
chances to compete for a National Championship are very fleeting and Ohio State has blown chances recently to be in the finals.
The man has done a lot for the program, has given it 7 years of his life, mentors assistants, develops players, wins championships....and imo got hosed into oblivion for doing what he was hired to do.
Nobody wins championships every year, not even Belichick.
But man, the climate in these threads....I feel sorry for the dude if he loses to Michigan next month. Some of you will want his head on a pike.
He don't fire people in mid season, nor will he quit on his team. If he were going to, he would have walked week 1.
Im afraid we're riding the horses we started with to the finish line, so brace yourselves- might get bumpy.
He can win another NC at Ohio State, but will he be here long enough to do it?
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He's got the players, I think he just needs better coaches at key positions.
If I'm being honest, the way the defense is being called and the lack of improvement almost makes me feel like Schiano is looking ahead past this season to when he has a shot at becoming a HC.
Davis obviously isn't fulfilling his duties as the LBs coach, Grinch so far has been underwhelming, but time will ultimately tell what we have in him, LJ continues to do his thing, no complaints there, Hartline seems to be handling his business, and Day can't be faulted for any of the issues the offense is having because Haskins is still in the midst of a record setting year.
The coaching staff needs to be looked at hard in the off-season.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Only if he gets the right QB for his offense...Tebow/Newton type.