Just Like Iowa Last Year, Ohio State's Nagging Problems Result In Upset Loss To Purdue

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Crumb's picture

We gotta stew over this for two weeks too. Everything about this just sucks. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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coachlehew's picture

The sun will come up in the morning I promise!!!!!!! GO BUCKEYES!!!!!!

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OhioStGoon's picture

I called the upset in an earlier post this week 48 - 45 Purdue, I hated to have to do it but I called it nonetheless.

GO BUCKS

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Crumb's picture

A lot of us did, my friend. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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Dillon G's picture

You called a shoot out, for a loss. Did you call the defense quitting and giving up 28 in the 4th?

#walkaway

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chris's picture

your standards for prediction are really high.

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TigerSweat's picture

They did quit with the game still in reach... Disgusted by that

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script-ohio's picture

Why are so many people so eager to pat themselves on the back for predicting a loss here?  Great I'm thrilled for you

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cdub4's picture

People like to pay themselves on the back.whrn they get predictions right.

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jbirmmd's picture

All good points and observations.

What does it say about our coaching staff and these players that something like this would be possible just a year after the Iowa debacle?

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Crumb's picture

Very good question that I'd love to have the answer to. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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jamesrbrown322's picture

I found a pretty good answer here.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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johngobuck's picture

That article is complete @#@#%^.    If this is all it takes to get Buckeye nation to call for people's heads then honestly I hope Urban leaves.   Then Ohio State can go back to the days of Earl Bruce and Cooper and lose to Michigan every freaking year and not even be in the playoff conversation at all. 

It is obviously time for fans to be reminded what Ohio State was for most of the last 30 years.   

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southbuc's picture

Most of the last 30 is 17 under Tressel and Urban and #winning.  

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Aristotle's picture

So what's the problem? We get a top 3 recruiting class every year. We've had problems that don't get fixed every year for the last several years. I'm not calling for Urban's head but it's on the coaching staff to fix these things and they don't get fixed

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worldbeTHE's picture

Urban should just slink off. He will not make changes and its obvious he doesn't give a shit.

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Bukirob's picture

If you can't see that there are recurring issues that point to changes that need to be made (namely coaches that need to explore new opportunities.)  Then  I have to wonder what you're watching!  Oline has not been good ever since Warriner left.  Linebacker play has been pitiful since Fickle Left  Safties are horrendously bad. Outside of Johnson, Hartline & Day there isn't a coach on this staff Id keep!

You WIN with people.

 

 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Not calling for Urban’s head, but makes sense to want Stud, Schiano, and Davis gone. I hate vindicating Tennessee fans, but I agree. Hell, Ash looks like he’ll be available this offseason, and that would be an upgrade. 

I think the crux of the article is this - the position coaching, by and large is really poor. Meyer too often hires close friends as replacement when coaches leave for opportunity, and has shown that he’s far more committed to those friends and his system than he is the overall success of the program. If you don’t believe that - Zach. Smith.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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AZVO's picture

"The Buckeyes haven’t punched in a red-zone touchdown in two weeks."... Weak OL play, predictable play calling (Thanks Kevin Wilson), and no run imperative .  I want to  scream about the play calling on most plays....    One dimensional is really .01 dimensional with this approach.

Of Course Its Hard.  It;s Supposed to be Hard.  If it was easy everyone would do it.

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mb5599's picture

not sure what else the staff could do at this point in the season.  this team is fatally flawed.  the back 7 and the oline suck.  not going to get that fixed in 2 weeks.  we are going to lose 2 more games this season (sparty and michigan) and will have issues with nebraska and maryland.  we are playing for a good bowl game this year.  also, not sure why prince gave the speech in the locker room after the game.  he is part of the problem.  he is a penalty machine who gets beat often.  i would have thought that mclaurin or someone else could have gave that speech.

Big B

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TigerSweat's picture

Prince is mentally weak.

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Buckloving's picture

I said earlier this year we're not as good as we think we are. And I wasn't alone. We got hammered pretty good for it too lol

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cmented36's picture

Not as mentally weak as the multiple coaches that keep agreeing to put him out there every week.

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Buck 1961's picture

I thought the embarrassing ass whoopins wasn’t supposed to happen again after the Clemson debacle!!

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The Buck Guy's picture

It's hubris, plain and simple.  During pressers this season when asked about the O-line not being able to block for the run, Meyer dismissed it and/or bemoaned the lack of a dual-threat QB (instead of deciding a change needs to be made away from zone blocking, and using a pro run style and maybe two back sets). He also dismissed the penalties issues (and no, it's not caused by effort and aggression as he contends; it's lack of discipline). He completely ignores the horrible play by Safeties, CBs, and LBs (out of position, bad angles, missed tackles, not looking for the ball to breakup passes, etc.).

Any one of these issues continuing for eight games, unaddressed, is a problem if you expect to contend for a championship. Having ALL of those problems together for eight games, unaddressed, is baffling. How can Coach not see these things and be surprised by the loss at Purdue because of them? It's because he ignored and dismissed them until now.

~ The Buck Guy
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wyatt's picture

One thing stood out to me. Saban replaced his QB at halftime of a national championship game. Where was Martell? He gives us the option of throwing or running. Haskins is one dimensional. If it's broken, fix it. 

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Gobucks2112's picture

I agree, and I think Haskins is the better QB but he is predictable, which has been fine normally because of how good he is, but having a cannon armed QB inside the 10 is pointless. I would do something similar to what OSU did for a while in 15 where Barrett was QB inside the 25 and Jones was QB outside the 25. In addition to that, I basically knew the game was doomed when we were inside the 5 and failed to score on 4 tries. Literally we should have ran up the middle 4 times. The fact that we ran it once, then tried to go sideways the other 3 times speaks volumes to the trust in the run game and the scheme. If you really are afraid that you can not run up the middle on Purdue, then losing the game is the least of your worries here. 

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AZbucks77's picture

I don't know, but I think even if we win out and win the BIG championship game we are out of the playoffs.  Penn State and TCU have proven to be frauds.  MSU will be unranked when we play them, so if we can beat Michigan that gives us one signature win on the season.  The Big Ten west is also a fraud so whomever we were to beat in the championship game isn't going to help much.  I'm sorry but in my opinion I just don't see the playoffs happening this year, and that is probably a good thing. 

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ChazBuckeye's picture

Losing the way OSU did (very reminiscent of Iowa) means they don't belong in the CFP. I'm not sure why you even brought that up. TB1G is overrrated. Period. OSU would get clobbered in the playoffs. If they can't beat Purdue or Iowa, then you don't belong in the play offs. This wasn't VA Tech....this was an abortion.

It is time!!!!!

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TigerSweat's picture

I understand where you are coming from but you have to keep in mind that nearly all top teams (outside of Alabama this season) have struggled with weaker opponents at times and many of those weaker teams weren't nearly as good as Purdue

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

Yes, but OSU didn't struggle last night. Struggle means you win, but have to work much harder than expected to win much less convincingly than expected. OSU was embarrassed and a game like that will give pause to anyone seeding teams into a playoff hoping for exciting competitive games. 

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mr.green's picture

Why does ANYONE think playoffs after that. Who cares. I just want to see OSU fix things. Run the ball. Get a score in the red zone (or three). Play penalty-free.

this failure to see problems and fix them is on the coaching and captains. . 

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JMeadows's picture

A lot of the people who post here have a belief that OSU must be better than Alabama to be successful.  I'm not sure if they care whether or not the team improves because they think it's too late for that and they'll tell you straight up that anything less than a national championship is unacceptable.  I suppose that I'm in the minority along with you, this season is salvageable if the Buckeyes straighten out their problems and start playing to their potential.

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Buckloving's picture

Not sure why you don't think we should be happy with anything less than a Nat'l Championship JM with all the talent we have. I sat through 69 to 02 and was happy with a lot of the teams we had that didn't win it all. Because that's all the talent we had at the time. That's not the case now. Exactly where do you see us "straightening out our problems"...…...Have you been watching at all?

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mr.green's picture

Wanting one is fine. Thinking we can still get there (or should) after watching THAT is dreaming. 

I wanna get better.  If that leads to beating Nebraska with some new twists then i will be delighted. After that I’ll talk about how we might do against Sparty. 

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

This where I differ from that line of thinking.  People are constantly talking about how much talent OSU has, but with respect to Bill Parcells "you are what your (record) results say you are. That OSU has more talent than most college football teams goes without saying.  That is proven by their results every season.  The idea that they have so much talent that a national championship is a foregone conclusion is a delusion. OSU has for all practical purposes had more talent then the vast majority of college football teams throughout my 50 years of following college football, but they have only won NC's in a handful of seasons. Talent is proven on the field not on fan oriented recruiting sites.  The talent pool that OSU currently has along the offensive line and in the back seven on defense is not significantly better than any other better than average college football team regardless of what the people who like to assign stars to HS football players thought.  That is why I root for B10 championships and wins over Michigan.  Those are realistic goals. If a NC is in the cards that's great, but if you make that the only criteria for a successful or disappointing season you will be disappointed most of the time.  What good is that.

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The Buck Guy's picture

You're 100% correct here Trotwoodbuck.  I've said this to fellow Alumns for years and years.  NCs are few and far between for any team other than a dynasty.  And you don't have a dynasty until after those magical seasons occur back to back, with no way of knowing beforehand; so to EXPECT that, every season, is just asinine.  To really appreciate and enjoy our team we have to embrace who they are, cheer them on to beat ttun (every season), and hope to win the conference title.  THAT is what matters more than anything else to me.

~ The Buck Guy
Go Bucks!!!!

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script-ohio's picture

NCs are hard but when you take yourself out of the picture in shameful, blowout fashion against teams who on paper have worse talent at probably every position group on the field, it's different than just losing a game against a good team or even getting upset in a normal, hard-fought game.  Ohio State shouldn't get beat by 30 to Iowa one year, then Purdue the next year in the manner in which we did, period. Losses happen, upsets happen, they're part of football, but Iowa and Purdue are something more than that.

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AZVO's picture

Heck, I just want to see a team that plays with passion, excitement and discipline.  Playing smart, aggressive and with a lack of predictability adds an edge that helps that excitement convert into winning on every play.  Somehow all of those dimensions seem to be missing right now.  Can they recover?  Perhaps.  Is this a wasted season? Not yet.  But it will be unless the players and coaches can overcome the malaise that seems to have set in.  Lets get back to it and get some passion in our game.  Go Bucks.  We have the talent, now turn on the burners and get it done.

Of Course Its Hard.  It;s Supposed to be Hard.  If it was easy everyone would do it.

Hard is what makes it Great.

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Yoda888's picture

Hubris.  Maybe the culture perpetuate this idea that if you're more talented (i.e. 4-5 star recruits), you show up and automatically win.  entitlement. practice?! heart?! passion?!  what are these?  I show up, play 1-2 seasons (if that), then off to the NFL for the big bucks.  JT, Darron Lee, Evan Spencer....those guys had heart, passion, and stayed.  As a fan, these are the guys that fans root for. Because they had heart, passion.  

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JMeadows's picture

What I saw was a team that was in the game through midway of the 4th quarter.  Should they have been up by twenty at that point?  Yes, they should have.  No argument there.  But what happened?  They started losing control of everything, including their desire to fight their way through adversity.  Great!  only a national championship is good enough for you and, frankly, I'm surprised at why you are slumming on an Ohio State fan site if that is the way you truly feel. To me, and maybe I'm just old fashioned, but the will to give it everything you've got when you have "fatal" flaws is worth watching.  There have been a lot of low points in this team's history.  They had a losing record as recently as 2011. But what the hell, it's okay for fans to give up on them.  No actually it's not.  Fans don't give up.  Of course to the die-soft, those of us who hang in there are not really fans, they are homers.  But to be honest I'd just as soon 'fans' who believe that would follow Alabama or Clemson or the Patriots or Golden State Warriors and stop whining about how bad the Buckeyes are going to play next game and about how embarrassed they are.  The players do the work and it's the coaches jobs to make the players better and shame on the players for not doing enough work and on the coaches for not doing a better job of making them play better, but especially, shame on the "fans" for crying about how the team ruined their day.  This kind of game is not uncommon at the pro level where a team can lose by thirty one game and still make the playoffs.  It happens almost every year. That's where I see the capacity to straighten out the problems.  Down vote to your heart's content.

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Thoroughly embarrassed by virtually every aspect of this program right now. Wish I felt like we had any chance of righting the ship, but weve simply heard the same old story year after year, game after game. Just disgusted.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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mr.green's picture

Then give up and fold your tent. I want fixes but i am not embarrassed to pull for a 7-1 team that has talent and three weeks before we travel to Sparty. 

Let’s work hard, earn back some national respect and try some new stuff against Nebraska at home. All is not lost. 

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JMeadows's picture

That's life in the vicarious big-leagues.  

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

How Ohio State lost this game is a much bigger problem than the loss itself.

If, and that's a big if, they play themselves into that final debate, three straight seasons with losses by 31, 31, and 29 is going to be a depth unrivaled by whomever they're squared up against in that debate. 

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LCT's picture

Yep^

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Kangarooman's picture

Werent you just lecturing about how everything is fine and fans' think they should have a say but they don't?

Guess what, ALL of the "entitled fans" criticisms were fully exposed by Purdue.

And yes, im holding you accountable for that comment. Because accountability is the biggest problem for the "everything is fine" crowd.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

UV + 10.  Some of us have been pointing out obvious issues and the scarlet glassses folks have been chastising every comment. I got DVed for saying Studrawa was awful.  Has the scarlet glasses crew seen enough or was this just another example of teams playing up to OSU’s level?

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I own my opinions, so I'm fine with this. But, one thing about this that slays me is how we've become so all-or-nothing. If you highlight a positive it doesn't mean your head is buried in the sand, it can just mean you're trying to find something to be more hopeful about. 

I was trying to stay positive and hoped things actually got fixed. Ultimately, that's because I have no control over anything in this entire situation other than my frame of mind. 

So, yes, I've tried to highlight the positive things the team had going for it, and hope they still have some of those things left. 

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Guts's picture

I know it doesn't mean much coming from me, but props for owning the earlier comment. +1

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CharlotteBux's picture

We lost to a team that the worst team in the SEC beat lol. Coach Meyer has to be ashamed 

Proud Graduate of The Ohio State University-2014

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TheVictoryBell's picture

Hopefully it’s this loss that finally gets this coaching staff to make some adjustments! This offense needs to be tweaked! Add some new plays during the bye week. Put in more power run schemes. 

Defensively find 11 guys that want to play like their hair is on fire. 

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johngobuck's picture

lolololo.....    Other than a lack of a running game this is easily the best offense Ohio State has had in probably 20 years.   The play calling was fine.   

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Agreed, other than the Oline. This is the worst Oline I have ever seen... on any team.

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mr.green's picture

Other than a lack of a running game? That’s half of an offense. 5 red zone trips and 6 points is not “play calling is fine”.

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Nutinpa's picture

Other than that pesky iceberg, the trip on the Titanic was fine too.  But believe what you want to believe, I guess.  

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swainpm's picture

Johngobuck this offense is not good. It is one dimensional, tOSU should never have a finesse pass attack offense ala TexasTech. I have personally complained about each of the last 3 games to my brother...because nobody is improving. The running game continues to get worse and the coaches are happy to accept it. I'm in favor of calling running plays disproportionately to remind these OL what their job is at tOSU. Either step up and do it - or lose, bc you will to any good team with a D. Stopping a one dimensional team is not hard for a good D. And as good as Haskins is under pass rush pressure he becomes subpar. He is a great thrower, one of the best, but does not handle a rush very well, watch PSU. The offense as it currently sits is in disrepair. Run the damn ball.

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script-ohio's picture

"other than the lack of a running game" and "best offense in 20 years" do not go together.  And boy was that proven last night.

And IF the running game truly is a lost cause, we need more diversity in the passing game.  If those WR screens are an "extension of our running game" because we can't run for shit, then don't use them as our main weapon in the passing game, too.  Get those slants and intermediate routes and other crap in there too.  Now maybe we do run those routes all day long and Haskins never throws to them and just hits the shallow crosses all day long instead, I dont know, but whether our passing game lacks variety in the playcall or whatever the reason, it still needs more variety if it's going to be the only thing we rely on to score points. 

You can't just screen and shallow cross with a few deep shots sprinkled in and call it an offense.  

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JMeadows's picture

They are playing like their hair is on fire.  This was a panic loss all the way.

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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chris's picture

no, because of your hair is on fire, you would be moving urgently and with purpose.

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JMeadows's picture

Sorry I forgot to use italics for sarcasm.

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NYC Buckeye's picture

Honestly this wasn’t as surprising as Iowa.  Two teams going in opposite directions, as we seemed to be playing worse each week, Purdue better.  Random nationally televised night game against an up and coming good coach in Brohm who had his team prepared.

Ive been watching Ohio State football religiously for 21 years now, I can’t think of a season where we couldn’t run the football, at all.  Also, we all know our LBs are highly recruited and talented athletes, they aren’t being coached properly.

Hopefully, like last season we will come off the loss playing better.  As you mention, B1G championship and playoff spot are still available if we win out.

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johngobuck's picture

Honestly linebacker recruiting hasn't been all that great for several years now.  Not really a big surprise here.

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Mosely's picture

Nah they’ve recruited real well my guy. Look em up on 247

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Kangarooman's picture

Yep, it's coaching plain and simple.

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TigerSweat's picture

Werener has no business starting at LB. He's been a huge liability all season long.

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Kangarooman's picture

Werner is a monument to the coaching staff's arrogance. He has shown he isnt ready all year and criticism towards him has been completely brushed off and dismissed.

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CharlotteBux's picture

This should and will end any playoff inspirations. Doubt it’ll matter but the worst team in the SEC handled Purdue. Guys, this is not a good team that beat us. We’re jusy not good. 

Proud Graduate of The Ohio State University-2014

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ChazBuckeye's picture

Thank you. Gotta love optimism, but OSU doesn't belong in the CFP. It's facts...not an opinion. Bama, Clemson, and dare I say it, ND and OU are probably better, at this point. OSU isn't there yet from a whole team aspect (special teams, defensively and now, offensively too...sad to be honest).

It is time!!!!!

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MDBuckeyes's picture

What's that chance of getting a rematch with Purdue in the B1G championship game? Can Purdue win the west?

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Their only B1G loss is to NW, so provided NW drops two games in conference Purdue would control their own destiny for the West. 

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mb5599's picture

dont think we have to worry about this.  michigan is going to beat us like a drum.

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script-ohio's picture

If we played today they'd beat us by 21+.  Thankfully we do have a lot of time between then and now and stranger things have happened than turning a team around that, despite looking like dog poo last night, has some talent.  I still think we'll lose, I think Michigan is just straight up better, but it's far from a foregone conclusion.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Wrong question. Can OSU win the East? Answer: they absolutely can not. This team is completely out of sorts.

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fishleehooker's picture

To me the silver lining in this is that Dwayne looked good, but also looked like another season could help him make more money before going pro.  

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jamesrbrown322's picture

He’s one and done. If the team continues it’s current trend, I’d expect the Michigan game to be his last in a Buckeye uniform.

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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mittenst8buck's picture

Exactly...being expected the be the one week after week to carry your team is a lot for anyone. He and the WR's are the team team this year. If he is a first round draft pick why come back? He has seen these types of game become the norm on an annual basis.

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fishleehooker's picture

If so, I don't expect a long or productive pro career. The pass rush will eat him alive, and they don't work on that stuff in the pros.  He'll get a shot, then they will move on. His leadership and feet need some work. If he leaves this year he will go from 15-45. Next year he is in the top 15 with improvement.  So there is still a chance. But I could also see the rats flee this sinking ship(I hope not)too

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

College football doesn't teach players how to play in the NFL.  NFL coaches do that. All you have to do is look at all the podunk colleges that highly successful NFL football players attended to understand that. Talent matters not college experience.  If he has the talent and drive to be a successful NFL QB he will do so without staying another year.

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southbuc's picture

Having a QB with cement feet has the offensive minds out of sorts. 

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jamesrbrown322's picture

Not to play up too much a post on another site, but I just read a pretty good argument for why this is essentially all Meyer’s fault. If you look at the weakest links on the staff, they’re Meyer’s buddies who had a track record of failure before he hired them. I don’t typically call for folks to lose their jobs, but it’s clear that at least two position coaches and a coordinator need to go.

But will Meyer, once again, be too stubborn?

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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Knarcisi's picture

This the the truth. And I’m sorry if people are too blind to see it. 

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fishleehooker's picture

Fickell and Coombs kinda blindsided him though. He has had to spend way too much time grooming coaches as they leave all the time and then do crap like Herman pulled.  

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mr.green's picture

He wanted Fickell out. There was tension there. He has had 3 years to fix the Davis problem and refuses to do so. 

But again, the biggest concern here is the offense. The red zone. The running game. 

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Kangarooman's picture

.."a culmination of years of elite talent masking growing problems"

Ouch. Truer words have never been spoken.

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jmagersobregon's picture

He usually is.

Because I couldn’t go for three

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BMOC_57's picture

At least the Blue Jackets won...oh, wait

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DFWBuckeye14's picture

I am so absolutely disgusted I don’t even know which way to turn. Sorry for the lengthy rant that’s about to ensue but I’ll admit to y’all (I’m quite a few scotch’s deep.) 

Where the eff to even start:

1) According to Urban, we’re supposedly an offensive line driven program. Well if that’s the case, we should be a less than .500 program cuz our offensive line sucks something awful. Nothing personal against any of the O linemen, but I weigh 190lbs and I’m pretty sure I could destroy them the way they’re playing.

2) As long as we’re talking about the offense, am I the only one who has noticed a significant drop off in the aggression our play calling has seen since Urban returned. To be straight to the point, all we do is throw 2 yards past the LOS to “attack the flats” effectively creating our offense of the past 3 years V1.1 where defenses can scheme us easily and we never threaten teams 15-20 yards down the middle of the field. It’s like Urban thinks that’s an illegal area to throw to. In all seriousness, someone needs to cut Urb’s mic when we have the ball bc he has been the single biggest detriment to our offense since he’s returned.

3) Does Greg Schiano have a brain in his head?

How many times do we have to witness the LBs stand at the line acting like they’re going to blitz, only to see a 543778327743 yard hole emerge in the middle of the defense where our linebackers should have been? Seriously, pay me 800k a year to make sure defenders are out of position on every single snap from scrimmage and I guarantee I’ll call a better defense than we’ve seen this year.

In summation, we’re a horribly overrated team that will once again win out and bitch about how we deserve to be in the playoff. When in reality, if we really deserve to be in the playoff, we wouldn’t resemble Rutgers at least one game every fucking year

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The Buck Guy's picture

I agree with much of what you said here.

1).  The O-linemen don't "suck".  What sucks is that the Coach continues using zone blocking schemes when they aren't running option.  They need to go back to assignment blocking (pro style) and use lead blockers (a 2nd RB or TE, or pulling guard).  It's like Urban doesn't know anything about how it's done.

2).  You're exactly right about the pass plays.  During Days time at the helm early on, he was attacking down-field, which forced opponents to back out of the box.  Since Urban returned, it has steadily regressed back to throwing behind or at the LOS; which, imo, is a large part of the problem when trying to run the ball.  Teams aren't "loading the box" against our run; they are playing up to defend the short passes behind or at the LOS.  How Coach isn't able to recognize that is a head-scratcher.

3).  No.  Schiano benefited from great assistant coaches in the past.  Without Coombs to coach the DBs, or Fickell to coach the LBs, his house of cards has fallen.  Davis and Grinch are NOT B1G league caliber assistants, and Schiano is unable to lead them or make corrections.  Taver Johnson has shown in the past that he can be successful, but he isn't getting the CBs to play like Coombs was able to while using the same exact technique.  Bottom line: Schiano owns this broken defense.

I also agree that this team has been over-rated. To me, that became clear when I saw how horrible TCU really is but that they played so well against the Buckeyes; and each game since against inferior teams proved that more and more.

I think this team has the talent among the players to get things turned around. It's a shame that Coach hasn't recognized or addressed them over the past few months; but this finally grabbed his attention I think.  But he must change the blocking scheme away from zone so they will be able to run the ball.  He also needs to crack the whip to instill discipline in the players to play within their roles, avoid stupid penalties, stay in position, and win their individual matchups.  And finally, he needs to let Day run the offense like he was doing before he came back.  No excuse for passing behind and at the LOS every damned time.

~ The Buck Guy
Go Bucks!!!!

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CooperRuinedMyChildhood's picture

Something about Urban's teams always needing a loss to turn the season around. Even at Florida. We all remember Tebow's now immortalized speech after the 2008 Florida Gators lost at home to Ole Miss. Florida pretty much slaughtered everyone else remaining on their schedule through the BCS Championship.

In Urban We Trust.

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mb5599's picture

not happening this year.  too many major issues ( oline and back 7).  be lucky to win 3 out of the next 4.  

Big B

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

We don't have a Tebo. We are lacking an on the field leader. We need a player to say this performance was unacceptable and we all have to play better. Our effort was bad and I blame it on a lack of player leadership.

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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The Buck Guy's picture

You're right.  It is also clear that Urban hasn't learned from his past either.  Remember how horrible his 2010 team was?  That team was chock-full of 5-star recruits after repeated top classes; just like this team.  Also, just like this team, he didn't have a dual-threat QB either but stupidly continued using zone blocking schemes without any option threat so that they couldn't run the ball.  The only difference is that 2010 team didn't have Haskins or the WRs this team has to put up video game type passing stats.

~ The Buck Guy
Go Bucks!!!!

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Cuser17's picture

I honestly thought we would come out tonight and not completely dominate, but take control early and never let Purdue get a chance to be in it in the 4th quarter. I thought a night game would have the team focused more than if it were a noon kick and I even thought Purdue would score in the twenties or thirties, but they couldn’t stop us. Man, I couldn’t have been more wrong. This is worse than Iowa, IMO, but maybe it needed to happen. All staff jobs and starting jobs need to be re-evaluated during the off week. Winning the B1G is still an attainable goal and even though we may not want to make the playoff of fear of another ass kicking, that goal is still alive too. But if nothing changes, 9-3 is a very real possibility. 

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BuckNut_1974's picture

TTUN and sparty games are looking very questionable. Hell, Maryland could be a problem if things don't improve.

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mb5599's picture

not sure very questionable is right.  TTUN is going to beat this team like a drum and sparty will give us everything we can handle.  there are no easy games left on this schedule.  lucky to go 3 out of 4 in this stretch.  

Big B

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AZbucks77's picture

I didn't really look at the first picture too closely before reading, but after taking another glance what do you know!  It's an Ohio State safety getting beat.......again!  lol.

Edit:  And in the article posted below this one on the front page, another safety getting their ass handed to them.  smh.

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BtownBuckeye's picture

I’ve never seen such a talented team get so routinely out coached, it is the most frustrating thing to watch as a fan. 

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Knarcisi's picture

This team is outcoached week in, week out, and this is not a new problem. 

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winbug79's picture

This team was better coached when Day was running the show

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RedQueenRace's picture

That's a common opinion.  But Day coached the first 3 games and a lot of what you are seeing are teams taking advantage of what they see on film that wasn't available early in the season.  Even so, the cracks started showing against TCU.

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Buck 1961's picture

But if you call the play from A to B in 4 to 6 seconds, all will be fine right........

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SouthernTip's picture

Underrated comment here and something that I believe deserves conversation. What's the ratio of Love your brother/4-6 A-B to ACTUAL TECHNIQUE/Xs and Os? I'm beginning to wonder.

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Buck 1961's picture

One part Love your brother and One part 4-6 A-B and no part Technique Xs and Os since their is no requirement for this, all you do is love running with your brother  from A-B in 4-6. + 1 SouthernTip and Go Bucks!

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BtownBuckeye's picture

I’m not talking about just this game or this season either. We never beat anyone with discipline or a good game plan. We’ve out athleted people for the better part of 2-3 years

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infantrybuck's picture

Losses are easy to take when you know the other team has more talent and better players. They are not easy to take and provide vitriolic anger when your out coached, out schemed, out prepared, and the other team’s players clearly play with more effort and want it more.  the ladder is where Ohio State is as a program now, and it is beyond sad

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BuckNut_1974's picture

Are we becoming the new Clemson????

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Knarcisi's picture

I wish. Clemson for the most part plays to their talent level. 

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MercyTex's picture

No, we are LSU.  We fill the NFL with players but do not have the cohesive team to win championships like a Bama or Clemson. The  2014 team had grit and played as a team, but it took Cardale Jones to shake up the offense to win it all.

Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.

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TigerSweat's picture

True. That title run never happens if JT doesn't get injured in The Game.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

What I keep hearing is that most folks were worried about this game. So was I. It felt exactly like Iowa. But lets stop the wrist slitting. Its one game that will hopefully result in this team finally playing up to its potential, and the players forming a bond. We’re not just some NFL prep team. And I don’t want to dip into the Bosa well, but I think his announcement so early that he wouldn’t return was pathetic from a team/family concept. Yeah, get that money and all, but announce that in another month or so, and nobody would blame you. It obviously had an impact in the locker room even if nobody wants to admit it. And lastly, and I’m sure it may come off bad, but I’m disgusted at the way ESPN exploited that kid with cancer. Cancer is SO MUCH BIGGER than football at any level. To single out one kid, regardless of how much he means to the home team, and go wall to wall with him was disgusting. I promise you there are plenty of Buckeyes with cancer in the same exact boat. Nothing against him or anything, and wishing him the best, but my God thay was extreme. I feel bad even mentioning it, but it was way too much. And you know I’m right. And a final note, what worries me the most about this edition of the Buckeyes is that WE CANNOT FREAKING RUN THE BALL!! I’ve never see anything like it. And we’ve clearly given up on the run. Why we don’t line up in the I formation and just run downhill against a scrub team like that I will never know. End of rant. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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johngobuck's picture

In all honesty the kid making it to the game probably did help Purdue play lights out.    That said I got the feeling the kids just wanted to watch the game and I'm not sure he was comfortable with all the camera attention.   For his sake I'm glad Purdue won the game.  I'm sure it will always be a special memory for his family.

As for all the negative comments.   I don't believe it is a coaching issue as much as it is a combination of injuries, perhaps a lack of talent in a few positions, and to the greatest extent it was a lack of experience on defense.   

Prince getting called for false starts is not a surprise.  He is very close to false start on almost every single play.  But so far OSU obviously doesn't have anyone better.   

For those complaining about play calling all I'm going to say is that nothing will every make you happy then.  Because almost every play called worked.  Haskins had open players all over the field.  It is obvious the offensive line has trouble blocking on the runs.   But this isn't entirely new either.   The offensive line has been in a slow decline since the national championship.    It is more of just how talent develops sometimes.   It isn't a coaching issue.   The decline started the very next year after the national championship.   

The defense just needs more experience and I suspect they need the defense to be more simplified.  Play quarters again for every play and let them get their hands on the receivers every play at the line.    And the defensive line needs to stop going for the hero plays and set the edge and eat up blocks on the interior so that the linebackers have a chance.  More importantly OSU doesn't have a Darron Lee type of linebacker who can legit cover receivers 1v1.    

Again it isn't the coaching.   But when the best talent leaves after one or two years of starting time it eventually leads to the type of drop off we are seeing this year.   This was always going to be a rebuilding year.   Anyone who thought otherwise is kidding themselves.   

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dsbgobux's picture

I must slightly disagree that it is not coaching. The coaching staff has not made any attempt to change the scheme from week one. We keep trying the tired old routine, Especially on defense. Everyone knows we are playing man and not changing it. The failure to adapt is on the coaches, not the players.

Buckeye in PA purgatory

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4thandinches's picture

In what world does OSU not have the players to line up against Purdue? Purdue! Having 4-5 stars getting outplayed by 2-3 stars boils down to coaching. 

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Kangarooman's picture

Literally, everything in this post is wrong.

We have the simplest defense in college football, and opposing coaches continue to just expose and embarrass it.

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sickness's picture

Using Bosa as a excuse is nothing but a crutch..Did Bosa not being on the sideline make Prince forget the snap count? Did his absence make Hamilton plow the punter or Jones go brain dead and hit the QB? The bottom line is this team is poorly prepared and terribly coached on all fronts...Name a coach not named Meyer who on 4th and goal from the 2 yard  line would throw a pass that does not reach the end zone. He will tell tell you he didn't see this coming..hes the only one..Pushed around by Indiana and Minnesota 2 weeks straight and he didn't see it coming..Coaches need to do some soul searching..Go recruit some more 4 and 5 stars we can bring in to get abused by 2 and 3 stars.

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mmp15f's picture

So is everyone going to keep pretending Urban Meyer isn't at least somewhat part of the problem? I'm sorry but the team has looked worse since he's been back on the sidelines. I'm sick of it; every year we have a loss that should have NEVER happened. The offense hasn't looked as smooth since he's been back and I can't help but believe that his whole claim about supposedly letting Wilson and Day handle the calling of the plays has proven to be untrue. There is no reason that a team who consistently gets recruiting classes with two-three 5* players and 12+ 4* players should be losing these games, let alone getting blown out. This defense is terrible, too. Since losing McMillan, Ohio State hasn't had a remotely decent Mike Linebacker. Something is obviously wrong with this team and it's tough to figure out exactly where it starts but, since our 2014 championship season, I feel as if Ohio State football has slowly fallen off. It's a real shame that the season we get the best true quarterback we've had in a very long time the offensive line and the defense are awful. I'm just over dealing with these embarrassing losses every season that should never happen based on talent and the supposed "great coaching" that we have. Bill Davis was the best man at Urban Meyer's wedding and I am convinced that is the only reason he hasn't been fired. Schiano is trying to run defensive schemes that don't work with the players we have. These terrible losses affect our playoff chances, and hurt recruiting. Though many may hate to realize this, TTUN is getting better while Ohio State has looked worse. The last few games have been an absolute disaster and, if we aren't dominating our next few opponents leading up to the TTUN game, I won't be convinced that this is a playoff worthy team. 

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dsbgobux's picture

Urban is the main problem with this team. He gets paid extremely well, more than most of us will ever see, to make this machine run. He has not learned anything this year. A competent manager would send one or two coaches out the door this week. His loalty and bad judgement cost him the beginning of the year, and it cost the team this game and season. I have sadly never seen a coach and staff do less with more talent. 

Buckeye in PA purgatory

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mmp15f's picture

I couldn't agree more. There's no reason Bill Davis and Greg Studrawa should still have jobs

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Canukbuck's picture

I really had to laugh, when I heard that Isaiah Prince stepped up AFTER the game to address the team, much like Billy Price did after the Iowa game last year.  The big difference here is that when Billy spoke, he had credibility on his side.  He played the game with relentless intensity and was just a mean son-of-a-bitch to go up against.  Players and coaches respected him.  I'm afraid that Prince has done nothing, this season, to earn the respect or credibility that Billy had and frankly, should only have addressed the team to step down from being a captain.

Isaiah is neither the tough, intense individual that earns respect from teammates, especially after last week's game against Minnesota, when he went to pieces after giving up back-to-back sacks.  I thought he was about to cry that night.  Some people can handle the job of being a captain, but it comes with the weight of responsibility and Prince is not the type of player that is able to shoulder that weight. So, having him address the team last night was almost shameful.

I like Isaiah and was excited to see his progression last season, hoping he would continue to progress this year.  It hasn't happened.  I'm sure he's a fine young man and a stand up guy.  But, make no mistake, as a captain and offensive lineman, he's no Billy Price and to be honest, hasn't earned the right to address the team.

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4thandinches's picture

I agree completely. Dude is a head case. Anytime something slightly goes wrong his head gets out-of-whack and he starts to play really, really undisciplined. 

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JMeadows's picture

I could go on like everyone else and blame people, but I've noticed one thing this year about Meyer and it has nothing to do with strategy, coaching ability, assistants, o-lines or back seven. He needs to develop a game face.  All you need to do is look at Urban's face and you'll know what the score is.  Nothing says panic like a worried face.  If the pressure is too much for him, he either needs to hide behind his play list or coach from the booth.  

Never place a bet on anything that can talk.

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

The old Cooper panic-face, I remember it all too well.

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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nm_buck's picture

agree 100% meyer's body language is absolutely horrible

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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NOBLUE's picture

the way this team is playing ..they will have a couple more losses..

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HighStreetMafia's picture

Love the Buckeyes. But these guys play like self entitled athletes with no hunger at all. They literally look like a flag football team. The o-line is very suspect and this is the worst defense I’ve witnessed from Ohio State as a fan. I’ve said this before, I think Urban Meyer should go with his “good ole boy” mentality. Give Ryan Day the keys and Larry Johnson the official and only “assistant” head coach title while he has a few years left. Urban. Muirfield is your backyard. Go play.

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TLB's picture

Anyone else think Urban looks like he's done?

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Buckibry's picture

Yep!

I'll work for helmet stickers!

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Ceegar's picture

You betcha.  Been seeing this for awhile now.  At least Gene doesn't have far to look for his replacement.

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Kangarooman's picture

Yep, Brohm was at the game...

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mr.green's picture

If it comes to that, then this! 

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Jdadams01's picture

Truly, I do not want this team in the playoff. They are not beating Bama, Georgia, Clemson, ND, etc. They'd get blown out, again, and set the program back for years.

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HighStreetMafia's picture

Agreed. Quite honestly they would lose to Iowa right now. I think the ceiling is the Rose Bowl.

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45has2's picture

“We’re 7-1.” “We’re 7-1.” “We’re 7-1.” Uh yeah coach and so is the Natti which is also not going to the CFP.   Getting upset is one thing but getting blown out by an inferior team for the second time in as many seasons does not improve your credibility with the people selecting the playoff teams. 

Censores irrumasti.

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Buckibry's picture

Purdue will lose next week against MSU!

I'll work for helmet stickers!

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lax20's picture

I agree.  Iowa beat the dog out of them last year and then lost 2 straight.

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puddy's picture

When Haskins was named starting QB, we all should have predicted this trouble with the running game. Using " zone read option " principles with a QB who is not a runner is the essence of ridiculousness. Many many teams run the ball effectively without a running QB . Wisky has done it forever. Bama is doing it now. Purdue is a " shotgun " offense, but did you see their first TD of the 3rd qrt ? QB under center, I formation, lead blocker in front of the tailback. Wow ! What a novel idea. Webber and Dobbins would love getting ball as they moved " towards " the line of scrimmage with a horse like BB Landers or Tommy Togia ( or other ) in front. Urban has has stubbornly refused to incorporate QB under center in the past. Maybe now is the time he swallows that arrogance considering Haskins inability to run. More likely, Urban will use Martell in short yardage, which is too predictable, handcuffs the offense and will backfire. Sorry for the length here, just sooooo frustrated

puddy

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steveoz49's picture

Top to bottom.... there needs to be some accountability.  There's no sense of urgency.... there's no adjustments and for a  team with all these "head coaches in waiting" on the staff, seems like we get out-coached/schemed a little too often in recent years.

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Kangarooman's picture

Accountability is the number 1 issue and it's culture wide. Hell. Look at how we're the only team with "co-offensive and co-defensive coordinators."

It's a system designed to spread out the blame so ultimately no one gets blamed. Then we carry on masking our problems with talented players.

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buckeyedude's picture

I've adjusted my expectations to "just beat Michigan."

It seems to me there were bad omens even before the season started, with the Smith firing, and then losing #1 draft pick for the season to injury.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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buckeyedude's picture

On 9/8/2018, Purdue lost to Eastern Michigan, 20-19.

NOT the team from Ann Arbor. NOT the team East Lansing. The team from Ypsilanti, Michigan.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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lax20's picture

Two years in a row the Buckeyes were taken to the woodshed by a mediocre team.  Urban's better days are behind him.  The worst defense I have seen from a Buckeye team since I have been watching 50 years of Buckeye football.  I know they have injuries, but this team has no depth with all these 4 and 5 star players.  The offensive line has been abysmal.  This team has sucked since Urban Meyer came back.  Holiday Bowl here we come.  In the past 3 games with no run game, Urban has Tate Martell sitting on the bench and no thought to insert him to change things up.  Harbaugh will exact his revenge on this team and hang 70 if he can.

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lax20's picture

We miss Luke Fickell and Kerry Coombs so much.  The back 7 are the worst in college football.

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NOBLUE's picture

bunch of spoiled entitled prima donnas who believe they're own hype .....they're regressing each game ..MSU and UM will also take them to the woodshed...

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Yes, Ohio State is not good right now. Let's not eliminate the possibility of a wake up call here. This can be a life lesson that leads to maturity on and off the field. I'm hoping for these men to mature here. Then I'm hoping for team to improve.

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jbirmmd's picture

Not to be rude, but how in the hell could they need two wake up calls like this in less than 12 months??

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Tommyboy's picture

Lot's of issues. Why don't we see Martell in the red zone? O line is soft. Lbs are poor tackling. Bad angles everywhere. Urban looks spent. I think he spends this off-season really thinking about moving on. I hope not, but it seems the last few months have really beat him up.

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BuckeyeArmyPilot's picture

If we are an elite program and get 4 and 5 star athletes year in and year out how does this happen? I know some 4 and 5 star kids just don’t always work out but most do. Our recruiting has been on par with Alabama and Clemson but they don’t have any losses anywhere close to what this program has had in the last 3 years. The bottom line is it’s on coaching and indiscipline( and  indiscipline is on coaching).

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Nutinpa's picture

Because a lot of those four and five stars that we love so much, especially if they are out of state, see TOSU as merely a farm system or apprenticeship for their goal of playing in the NFL.  It’s slways been that way at Ohio state, but Meyer took it it a new level.  He’s reaping what he sowed.  He created a culture where a captain walks away from the team and his teammates rush to Twitter to congratulate him

you guys can blame coaching, scheme, or whatever you like.   But the culture on this team and program is rotten to its core. 

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BuckeyeArmyPilot's picture

Isn’t culture set by coaching?

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Nutinpa's picture

Yes it is.  Fair point. 

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coachlehew's picture

If Urban is really coming back he will fire a few coaches and make much needed changes !!!! If he doesn`t he is leaving ,something is really wrong within the football structure! If it was me i would get rid of Drake and Gene also to prove Urban is in charge and make this team more like Alabama!!! 

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Coachthl68

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subUrbanBuck22's picture

2 weeks to figure it out. I hope they can but I am just not sure if this team can bounce back like last year’s, time to see if this team has any fight 

Go Bucks!

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cmented36's picture

People who didn't see this coming need to start being more realistic with how they view the Buckeyes I will say having accepted they were very likely to lose made it much easier to accept...

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mr.green's picture

Get better Buckeyes. We need second half (of the season) adjustments.

I saw the problems and was hoping we could limp through Purdue and get a bad win and then fix the issues. That was pie in the sky. This makes it more urgent. That could be a good thing. 

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mmit's picture

The "NFL Factory" guiding philosophy has gone way too far and clearly affected chemistry and performance.  There is really no other explanation.  When an actual TEAM CAPTAIN says, in so many words, "best of luck guys", i'm on to the NFL and it's too risky to heal up, even try,  for the sake of my wallet, that is an AWFUL message sent to the rest of the team, ultimately promoting a 'me first' mentality (why not?  a team captain set the tone).  There are 1 or 2 L's left in the tank for this group, for certain.  I understand it's probably a real slippery slope, but it needs to be brought back towards being a college team, first and foremost.

O-H

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Groza'sToe's picture

Woody wept. 4 ex head coaches, several with NFL experience, a roster with talent, a generational player at QB... and for weeks we get whipped in the first half and have to make adjustments just for a chance to win??? And nobody can figure out how to run the ball??? With 2 stud RB's? There is something rotten inside the WHAC, something that needs fixed ASAP.

GO BUCKS!

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cbusbornwrldwiderazed's picture

I really wonder if there is a slight division right now amongst the players and coaches as a result of the ZS drama. That being coupled with an odd defensive scheme and lackluster o-line play. Oh well, I'm a 43 year old who has lived through darker times watching this program. On to the next one, Go Bucks!

"Old minds are like old horses; you must exercise them if you wish to keep them in working order."
John Adams

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Groza'sToe's picture

I'm 50 and I have many of the same thoughts. Urban wasn't really a part of the team/ chemistry building during his investigation and subsequent discipline. Chemistry matters, think of the 2002 team. It matters, and it feels as though this version of the Buckeyes has very little.

GO BUCKS!

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73buckeye's picture

What would Saban do if his team sustained a loss like this? What would Saban do if he had coaches performing like this? What would Saban do if he had players making mental mistakes like this? If you want to play at Alabama's level, you need to do the things they would do. Does anyone really expect that to happen here? When Urban was hired, he said Alabama was the gold standard. He said OSU was going to do the things Saban did to make them the best and in time, OSU was going to compete with them as equals. The only person that can make that happen is Urban Meyer himself and he has failed to do what he promised. 2014 was obviously an aberration, a 3rd string QB led miracle. Expecting miracles year after year is insane. If Meyer wants it bad enough, it's there if he's tough enough to grab it, but he's no Nick Saban. 

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BuckCrazy94's picture

My 3 offseason changes

1. Urban Retires: Ever since the joke of an investigation he seems disinterested, and it is clearly rubbing off on the team.

2. Who Replaces Urban: Bring back Luke Fickell. Our defense has not been the same since he left, and he always could find those diamonds in the rough.

3. More players from Ohio: Talent be damned. Give me more kids who truly take pride in putting on that Scarlet and Gray uniform. Talent means nothing without the heart to go along. Look back at that 2014 team. Yes some of our best players were from outside of Ohio, but the core of our team from was from the great state of Ohio.

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lax20's picture

I could not agree more.  Nothing like homegrown talent.  This state has some of the best in the country.  Remember, Ohio St is Ohio.  Let's bring it back.

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bucks_4_life's picture

Is it too late to drive a brinks truck to Nashville and bring Kerry Coombs back home?

The juice is worth the squeeze

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TkeBuck's picture

if coach didnt see this coming, with ALL the obvious problems on both sides of the ball, then he is sadly in denial and probably beyond any ability to make coaching staff changes. time for intervention on a higher level. 

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Condor's picture

Players need to forget about the CFP and just worry about getting better, tougher and more disciplined.

"Do not fear me gypsy, all I want is your tears."

 -- Borat Sagdiyev

 

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cbusbornwrldwiderazed's picture

Exactly

"Old minds are like old horses; you must exercise them if you wish to keep them in working order."
John Adams

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GoBucks23's picture

This loss was different than most past Buckeye upsets for me. We deserved it, we needed it, and I’m surprisingly not mad. The lack of running game and defense is astonishing for a second ranked team in the country. As people have mentioned above, we have major weaknesses and flat out got exposed last night in primetime with the whole country watching. Maybe this is what our coaches and players needed to instill some accountability and leadership. Wish it didn’t have to come to these type of embarrassments in order to do that. Bama is the team I often ask myself if we can hang with, and I think as Buckeye fans we all prefer to not see them with this team. I hope we can change - we’ll see. Up to the coaching staff and captains. Go Bucks. 

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Canukbuck's picture

I've coached offensive line for almost 35 years and trust me, it's neither the play calling, or running backs that are to blame for the poor showing in our running game.  It starts up front (and I'm definitely including our TE's in this post, since Berry is as much a part of the clown show, as the rest of the Slobs (not sure they've even earned the right to be called, Slobs).

The key word here is "inconsistency".  On virtually every play, there is a complete, not partial, screw up or breakdown by one or more of the linemen up front.  Much of the inconsistencies are the result of flat out LAZINESS.  I'm 100% confident that these players are shown the proper techniques during practice (Studs is not a complete buffoon), but after watching game after game (I focus, out of habit, on the offensive line play), I'm watching linemen lunging at defenders while attempting to run block and ending up on their faces.  I'm seeing them do the same thing in pass protection (you NEVER lunge at a defender in pass protection).  Our offensive line has done a reasonable job, one on one, in pass protection (until they stop moving their feet and then they become a turnstile).  The problem is, pass protection is a passive form of blocking.  Run blocking is aggressive and is the opportunity for an offensive lineman to dish out some pain, instead of absorbing it in pass pro.

 As the season has gone on, our linemen are focus on pass protection, because we can now throw the ball down field with success.  On linemen, being lazy and inconsistent, have no idea how to be aggressive in their run blocking assignments.  Have a look after any running play and you'll see 3 - 4 of our offensive linemen standing around without a defender near them.  Each one of them should be locked up with an opponent until a whistle blows.  There are a lot of 6' 7", 300+ lb spectators on the field right now.  It has to change - not in what they do, but how they do it.

First of all, they have to commit to playing each down, every down, as if it's the last time they'll put on pads.  Secondly, they have to come to play with the mindset that it's going to be a very long day for the man across from them.  That man is going to be punished and frustrated before the game is done.  Finally, they need to focus on the job at hand - stop the drive halting false starts and holding calls, as these are lazy, lack of focus calls.

Our backs have already stopped running hard, because they have no confidence that our offensive line is going to do their job.  When I saw Dobbins turn his back and try to back pedal down a side line, instead of lowering a shoulder and make a defender pay, it seems the RB's have made up their minds that the run game is over, before it has a chance to flourish.  Mind you, throwing in a few more counter plays, which have always worked well, would certainly force teams to play us straight up, instead of always cheating to our motion.

The run game is strictly on the shoulders of the offensive line and until somebody beats the meanness into them, don't expect the running backs or their opponents, to respect them.  It could be a very long day in The Shoe, when TTUN comes to town, if this doesn't get fixed.

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BuckinRRtexas's picture

Canukbuck I had to log in and thank you on identifying the real problem of why the tOSU has a nonexistent running game.  I have read post after post on this site and what it has shown me that we have some of the most irrational fans I have seen here.  You have actually identified a real problem with the offense.  I have coached offensive line as well and you are on point with your assessment.  In addition It really looks like the line has not decided to take it personal and hold each other accountable for not being able to run the ball. 

Darkness!

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BuckeyeJason'sNation's picture

We can’t run the ball but who cares we won?

Back 7 can’t coveer but who cares we we won?

LBs can’t stop the run, tackle or cover but who cares we won?

We commit too many dumb penalties but who cares we won?

Coaches are not making adjustments to the above but who cares we won?

We just got our A$$ kicked because of the above reasons and nobody caring or fixing it.

BuckeyeJason

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Turban Meyer's picture

Do we run any halfback counter plays? It seems all of the blocking is straight ahead, and the RB has to find a hole in there somewhere or bounce plays outside.

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Kneelblender's picture

I said it earlier and I got lambasted, but I would prefer Burrows over Haskins.   Haskins is a tremendous passer...but he cannot run.  He cannot run at all.   He cannot even slide.   Cardale Jones was a great passer, but he could run a little bit.

The defense NEVER follows Haskins on read option.  They 100% commit to the RB and they (our RBs) have no chance.   We look like how MICHIGAN has looked for the last 20 years.....and a BIG reason why we owned them.   Defensive players are too fast and strong to not have a QB that can at least run to some degree.  

We have big defensive issues - I get it!  Our LBS are the worst in 20 years and our safeties take the wrong angles a majority of the time,,,,but, we should be able to overwhelm teams offensively.  

Imagine you are a D coordinator preparing for OSU...just key in on backs and don't let receivers behind you.   Put pressure on Haskins.   We need a QB that has SOME mobility...

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Turban Meyer's picture

The problem isn't Haskins. It's the scheme built around him. 

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Dmac3212's picture

Its coaching and offensive line play. This is the second week in a row where the Bucks played a shotgun team without a mobile QB. They had no problem running the ball.

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James Varney's picture

Fury is understandable, given what happened last night and that it happened because of things the whole world has bee pointing out about Ohio State all year (and some last year, too). But I do think we need to stay balanced in our thinking. 

For example, if it's true there are too many elite athletes at OSU treating it as a way station to the NFL (and I don't think that is true), then why is the same mindset not prevalent at places like Alabama, Clemson, Okla., LSU (this year), etc.? You think only Ohio State recruits and lands 5* who want the NFL? It's coaching that allows a bad culture, if bad culture we have.

Burrow over Haskins. Really? Where on earth does this come from? It's frankly absurd. I love Joe Burrow (I'm in Louisiana, used to cover LSU football, my daughter goes there), but Haskins is maybe the best QB Ohio State has ever had and certainly the best since Troy Smith. He's fabulous.

Defensively. Did anyone else see a play Purdue ran deep in its territory and ABC had the camera at field level as if we were an OSU linebacker? Chase Young spend the whole play running from the left side over to the right side after the snap. It was the most preposterous stunt I've ever seen. Who designs something like that? It was simply bizarre. There were plays when a Purdue guy would catch the ball and on my 50+ inch TV screen it was just the Purdue receiver and grass. A huge, green background. No white jersey even on the screen. You can't tell me that's a talent issue or lack of discipline issue or whatever. That's a profound schematic flaw.

Ohio State should sit some players who are playing badly and rid itself of Bill Davis and Greg Studrawa. I believe the players and the program are great and I will never stop watching or loving Ohio State. Go Bucks!

Beat Michigan!

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BigBuckFan25's picture

Schiano is the defensive architect. I can't believe the 4 and 5 stars that Luke Fickle had in his defense are that much better than ones Schiano has today. It's all about the scheme and coaching. Schiano's high risk/ no reward scheme isn't working with this personnel group and he's unwilling to change. Create a scheme that best utilizes and enhances your personnel's strength but he just keeps trying to jam a square peg into a round hole. Schiano needs to go.

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James Varney's picture

One other thing, in addition to Chase Young spending a play simply running along the line of scrimmage (and, turned out, away from where the ball went but he couldn't have known that at the snap), and the astonishing open space our defense provides every opponent: on the roughing the kicker. I'm not 100% sure that was a 15-year penalty, but who was that guy? #53 or something? He looked like the kind of player who's near the center on a punt or XP or FG. That's who Ohio State put coming off the edge rushing a punter? A guy who looks like a nose tackle? How is that fathomable? Who drew up something like that - *even if he never gets to the kicker to run into him, why is that guy in that position??!!*

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James Varney's picture

A question for the 11W staff or anyone who knows: Hinton grabbed Jeremy Ruckert coming off the field after the 4thQ pick? Why are we burning Ruckert's red shirt this season and never throwing him the ball? What is the purpose of that? 

Beat Michigan!

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Trenches's picture

Why hasn't anyone been going after Taver Johnson? WE NEED YOU BACK, KERRY COOMBS!!

Where games are won or lost.

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james allen's picture

The same rule applies for me to Urban Meyer as Thad Matta.  If you are the beneficiary of a multi-million dollar yearly salary in an absurdly inflated coaches market, then you'd better produce the results to justify that salary.  Urban Meyer once did.  But a new pattern has been established:  blowout losses to Clemson, Iowa, and now Purdue.  These debacles, and erased text messages, don't justify being the second highest paid coach in college football.

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bigbadbuck's picture

Nagging problems? More Like glaring problems

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, its a war room

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buckeyeinWI's picture

to quote CBS Sports 'The Buckeyes got stomped by Purdue'.

enough said..

and just like like year, it's time for this team to pick up the pieces and move forward.  

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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Buckeye7's picture

Undisciplined poor run blocking and piss poor defenses don’t win championships. Like the title goes,things all year we have failed to do. I’m not giving in,but a lot of things would have to change in next month for me to believe we are even playoff caliber team. Unfortunately!

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ohiopanda's picture

Tired of Urban saying they have good coaches and good players, and that they have to work to do and will get it fixed. There are coaches that suck (that you’ve hired as friends) and there’s some players that probably shouldn’t be on the field - take some freakin responsibility and at least act like you care Urban. Sure we’re 7-1, but it’s a pretty damn crummy 7-1 where we’ve rarely looked decent

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buckeyemike 45's picture

I have been following buckeye football from 1954 till now. I have never till now saw a qb that cannot run. Did you see him try to slide he about killed himself doing it, he did a 360 nose dive and about hurt himself. when you need a yard for a touchdown put the qb under center two running backs either qb sneak or hand off to the back with a lead blocker in front of him. or do like woody use to fake it to the fullback and give it to the wing back running a reverse. to all our fair weather fans no hopping back on the bus after you threw everybody under it. we will rise again...

 Haskins needs to learn how to run with some power he is a big man, if not put in martell inside the red zone and turn him loose..

he who lives by the pass only dies by the pass.  over 70 passes in a game I don't think Washington state throws the ball that much. wow. go bucks...

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gobucks1966's picture

5-0 we need to evaluate and get it fixed. 6-0 we need to look at things and get it fixed. 7-0 the same and now 7-1 the same old same old and nothing fixed. Tired of this answer and why does it even get asked. Now we have a bye week and we will evaluate and get things fixed lol.

Denny

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Zone's picture

I am upset that we lost, but more frustrated with how Urbs teams lose. They are always ugly, and there is a point in the year we all feel is inevitable. We are not Alabama. Saban doesn't lose against inferior opponents, let alone get destroyed once a year during the season. Urban has a history of tough losses and bounces back.

The offense will be fine and the run game will open up. The run game is largely due to a lack of execution from the o-line,  tightends, and WR missing their blocks. O-line do not get to the second level in their assignments, terrible at pulling and can not lock on their man, do not sustain their blocks. The O-line in run block look flat out lazy, unathletic, with no desire to impose their will. This is not scheme related. 

Defensively, they are done this year, period. Do not expect any shut outs or dominate performances moving forward. The d-line looked great with Bosa and now our strongest unit on this side of the ball is mediocre which had a trickle down effect. With that said, their mediocrity is sill much better than the other units. They're close to the bottle of college football bad and that doesn't change with a bye week. This is a lack of experience, depth, and personnel not fitting the proper scheme. Poor game planning and adjusting during game. 

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Kernfan's picture

This was worse than last year.  Last year OSU was 2 in terms of team talent based on HS rankings, and Iowa was 49.  This year Purdue is 71 in terms of talent, OSU is 1.  Last year the Iowa game was right after a hard fought narrow win over PSU, this year its 3 weeks after that narrow win over PSU.  

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Zimmy07's picture

Worst defensive efforts in Ohio St history:

Year coach Vs Points
1902 Hale Michigan 86
1890 Lilley Wooster 64
1994 Cooper Penn St 63
1946 Bixler Michigan 58
2017 Meyer Iowa 55
1890 Lilley Dayton 50
1891 Lilley Adelbert 50
1892 Ryder Oberline 50
1898 Ryder Western Reserve 49
2012 Meyer Indiana 49
2018 Meyer Purdue 49
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Guts's picture

While I feel like nothing I've said about JT Barrett in the past has been inaccurate, I would like to eat crow just a little bit. I was of the opinion that most of our offensive woes could be solved with an offseason of practice and a true blue QB leading the offense. I was wrong. This is more of the same and it's on the coaches. The ineptitude on defense I did not expect all (in the off season). But, if you didn't expect this before this game, I don't know what to tell you.

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Greenbriar's picture

E+R=0. The E has happened. Now we have to watch Urban's R. And that will lead to the O. I fear, however, the R will not work.  Urban looks as freaked out as the most outraged commentator on this message board. He seems to be destroying himself. I really hope he gets himself together and gets the team together. He needs to go back and read his book "Above the Line" and behave accordingly. If this season goes south, it is on Urban, no one else. His job is to make his team resilient. 

I do not buy that a whole team, made up a large number of individuals all magically got lazy or entitled and are not listening to the coaching staff.  I do buy that the coaches are not doing a good job of telling the kids what to do and the kids therefore are getting a bit disillusioned. 

So the bottom line is the team needs a bowling night for bonding and the coaches need to try something new.

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Yoda888's picture

Think that Bosa deciding to quit the team, leave school and preparing for the NFL has no impact?  Here's guessing that it does.  He was a captain after all.  If it still means anything these days.  I'm of the camp that it does. and it should.

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Yoda888's picture

the play-calling and scheme is just mind-boggling.  You have 2 good RBs and now a very pocket-passing QB and a bunch of seasoned receivers. WHY THESE BEHING THE LOS AND LATERAL PASSES?! you're negating all of your weapons.  use your QB and receivers and go deep.  keep the defense honest and leverage your RBs.  The OL has all kinds of issues.  Get this fixed (put in new players, they can't be any worse) and everything else should get fixed as well.

Yoda888

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jwm552002's picture

This coaching staff is terrible.  Fire the o-line coach and the defense coordinator and the linebacker coach who players seem lost. Seems like Purdue o-line knows how to block for the run on a pass heavy team, why can't we?  OSU is way more talented. Looks like Ryan Day stock is going down the tube and Urban needs to take some of the blame. They can win out but no way do they deserve to be in the playoffs.

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HighStreetMafia's picture

Please go Urban. I’ll will be here at the YMCA on Woodland and at the new MLK library. You’ve done nothing or contributed to CBus. Play golf in your backyard.

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