I'm with you. It is beyond time for a serious change. I really dont think Urban can fix this and there's 4 years of evidence to prove it.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
But he had 75 attempts??? Were you not entertained?
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
The #truth is flowing out of the bay area tonight
I agree with you, but the loss tonight wasn't on Wayne.. He had a great game all things considered. Like Herbie said "who gives a F how many records he set tonight.." The problem lies in the total lack of a running game, a piss poor D, and a shaky O line that cannot run block. When you go to the red zone 4 times and have to pass for it because you cannot run the ball, you will lose. The D, well those boys looked like they flat out gave up.. (they probably didn't, but it looked that bad) They are always out of position, commit penalties that extend the opponents drives.. etc.. I can understand being out manned, but being consistently out of position is coaching.. The other thing I see is the coaching staff seems incapable of making adjustments on the fly..
Pigskins & Porkrinds
Well, there was no D tonight, so Wayne may be correct.
(they probably didn't, but it looked that bad)
You don't have to be polite, pig. Yes..the D.....quit tonight. They are a microcosm of the team formerly led by a captain like Nick Bosa.
Herbstriet was trying to mince his words tonight, but couldn't contain himself. He strongly implied this team has no leadership and no heart. He might as well have shouted it and he would've been right.
But, hey, I thought Meyer was the self-appointed CEO of Leadership?
Personally, I wish he'd cut the leadership crap and start identifying guys who can play, and really want to play (and won't quite on the team) and then coach them up (that is, after he's hired coaches who really want to coach, which, BTW, is where Meyer's own leadership should start.
As for Nicki Bosa, good for him making bucks despite being a starter for only 2 1/2 games at Ohio State then exiting, but frankly, I could care less about NFL players and their paychecks.
As far as I'm concerned, Bosa's the perfect poster boy for this team--lots of fanfare and then a quick exist--a big-talker who, like it or not, will hit the record books with a record as a quitter--one who's first priority is making bucks vs. winning games for the Bucks.
I mention this because the coaching staff seems to have a similar profile. We read all about their big salaries, and I'm genuinely happy for them, but that's not the first priority of fans, is it?
Again, good for them--honestly--but it doesn't do anything for anybody as a Buckeye fan, so I say, to Hell with anybody involved with this program who's chirping about their big paydays but has bigger priorities than earning it by delivering wins for Ohio State.
In case they forgot, that's their meal ticket, and for far too long it seems like Buckeye coaches and players have been staring at their paychecks and their press clippings.
Sorry boys, but I've got news for you--Buckeyes fans are happy to see you cashing checks, but guess what our first priority is--in fact, guess what is THE main reason we watch you in the first place--and what we want in return?
Or for Crissakes, short of that, can you at least be competitive? Can we at least have coaches and players who are vested in winning as THEIR FIRST priority vs. quitting the team in the middle of the season or quitting a game in the middle of the 4th quarter?
Bottom line: Know your audience.
New flash: Your audience is not amused, plus, it doesn't get to share any of your big paychecks (in fact, it FUNDS all of your big paydays... but not for losing, much less, losing like a bunch of quitters.
You speak a lot of truth, Thank you for that.
Dude you sound like a manchild.
Totally agree. I knew we were not going to win the National Championship this year just based on how we had struggled and how good Bama is, but I never expected us to get humiliated by a 3 and 3 Purdue. I am waking up this morning still in shock as to what happened. I was hoping it was all a bad dream. Losing is one thing, I could handle a loss to Bama or LSU or Clemson, but not to a mediocre Purdue. And not just a loss to Purdue but a complete beat down and an embarrassment. This gives so much ammunition to the Ohio State haters. We are going to be hearing about this for weeks, possibly even months. I am embarrassed as a buckeye fan.
Yeah, Walter, and you're probably understating the case per "ammunition', unless you had a nuclear bomb in mind. That's just about what this amounts to. Unless the Buckeyes run the table and have a better record than anybody with an equal record, the Playoff Committee would likely see this loss as a nuclear bomb that blows up any Buckeye playoff chances, just like last year with the Iowa loss.
But the bigger issue is the pitiful coaching and playing that detonates said nuclear bomb. Thing is, as long as the chain reaction of incompetence and regression continues, would we really want to see the Buckeyes facing Clemson or Alabama in the playoffs, and thereby taking the program to a new level of progressive humiliation?
Unfortunately, this coaching staff and its players seem utterly incapable of disarming opponents, and more damingly, preventing themselves from self-destructing.
Oh no way, I don’t want to see them in the playoffs they would just get embarrassed again like they did against Clemson. I would be happy if they just manage to beat Michigan this year. That to me would be a successful season at this point. That performance last night was a complete and total embarrassment.
Yeah, never want to lose to Michigan, although, unfortunately, there comes a cost with winning, which is that the Buckeyes might have to play either Iowa or Purdue again, and I can just imagine the cascade of mockery that falls on Ohio State's program if they got slaughtered for a second straight time by either Iowa or Purdue, who, in turn, would undoubtedly get pummeled by Alabama or Clemson.
Sadly, this tells us where the program is right now--fans aren't eagerly anticipating the chance to play great teams and beat them for championships--they now rightly fear whomever they play and sheepishly hope for the best possible loss while avoiding huge embarrassments, which Meyer doesn't seem capable of avoiding.
In fact, as pathetic as it sounds, tell me who doesn't rightfully anticipate that each and every year, they can count on the Buckeyes getting destroyed by a great team, humiliated by a bad or mediocre team, but maybe delivering a miracle or two where they win by the skin of their teeth and manufacture false hopes?
Trouble is, as we know, college football is littered with really, really bad teams, so it's no big deal to pile on wins with a roster that is as full of 4 and 5 star talent as anybody. The failure to add any value beyond that is unacceptable. Fireable.
For the money the university spends on coaching, and the fans they pull in, they can do better. I've been among those making excuses for Meyer, but not without criticism. But now, here in 2018, unless he turns things around and seriously challenges and genuinely competes for a National Championship or wins one, again, in 2018, I'm not only fine with him retiring or being fired and taking chances on a better coach, I sure hope that's what happens.
In short, I've seen enough, and it's not as if Meyer has earned any extra credit for his behavior off the field.
Oh, and while we're at it, I hope he takes his pathetic, God-awful assistant coaches with him, that is, if anybody at Ohio State is strong enough to carry their mega-money bags off the campus.
No heart whatsoever. It was so apparent, I honestly didn't even care about this game.
Maybe I am crazy, but I'd rather get away from 5* recruits from other states and get some more focus on Ohio guys who give a fuck about the program.
Agreed.. They still need to recruit on a national level but too many under rated guys are leaving Ohio.. That is indicative of a recruiting system that is looking for home runs vs base hits.. Home runs are nice but base hits win games.. (sorry for the baseball analogy)
I should get the guys names right.. Common curtesy.. Although last night I was feeling far from courteous..
I too am very concerned with the coaching and the “game plans”. As you duly noted, the staff’s apparent inability to adjust on the fly is very troubling.
Urban’s body language during the game is also troubling and I’m not sure if it’s all related to the whole Zach Smith affair or whether there is more to it than just that. I can only hope that Urban gets his fire back and uses the bye week to finally address all the issues that have become very obvious to our opponents who have been exploiting those weaknesses. In addition, the undisciplined rash of penalties has only served to exacerbate an already problematic situation.
Haskins is a pussy. Oh he’s so cool and calm...no he’s just a bitch who won’t do what it takes to win and has ZERO urgency about him and ZERO leadership. Crazy that our staff chose him over the guy who could throw AND run in Meyer’s rpo offense
RPOs are run pass not zone read run pass.
Tom Brady runs RPOs.
Haskins and the WRs have carried an AVERAGE team to 7-1 this year.
Yes I know what an rpo is, my point is that he will not run it, like ever. So that kills the whole philosophy. The coaching staff should have gone with the guy who could pass(first) AND run(serviceably). Not the one dimensional dude. Should’ve either gone with Burrow or changed to a pro-style or true spread offense
So, it has nothing to do with an Oline who can’t block? This is all Haskins fault? Guy who puts up video game stats. Breaks records. But he’s the downfall of the team?
Have you seen him run? Because I don't want him to run, like ever. Between Mike Weber and JK Dobbins, I don't want to see Haskins run, he's freaking terrible at it. Throw the ball, or hand off to someone who moves better than a scarecrow.
Same bullshit offense lead by JT who overachieved his entire career in stats, and not in wins.
JT was what...38-6 as a starter?
There's no points for second place, gentlemen.
Oh yeah, that's awesome.
What was his postseason record?
2-1, and I should point out that Haskins is 0-0.
that's good, especially since none of those wins included the playoffs
JT goes down, Cardale takes us to championship
JT plays, we lose in season or get blown out in playoffs. This is Ohio State. If you can't win playoff games and/or championships as a 5th year senior, you're a disappointment. I'm sure Penn State or TTUN would have been very happy with JT's results. Not here. Sorry not sorry.
You asked for his postseason record, then you switch it to the playoffs. Ask yourself, would Haskins win this team a playoff game? I love the guy but the answer is hell and no. Take your JT hate elsewhere.
your post said nothing about post season, just wins.
Yep, that equates to about two losses a year and not making the playoffs despite being surrounded by four and five star talent. Look, anybody can jump into a high performance car and get it to run over 100 miles an hour. That's how I see J.T., who not only never won a playoff game, but was embarrassed in it. But that's not how I see Haskins.
He's exceptional at what he does, but the line is simply horrible at run blocking. I'm not even sure they're all that good at pass blocking except for the fact that they're huge and take up a lot of space. Right now, Pridgeon, Jordan, and Knox are abysmal. I'm thinking that maybe it's time to bring in Davis, Meyer, Bowen, and maybe move Jordan over (or put him on the bench) while ending the Munford experiment.
Maybe Price should sit out, too, and let Petit-Frere play and then maybe come back after a few sessions with a therapist.
I know, I know--I'll here all of the BUT, BUT, BUT about what great players these guys have been. Well, when you get results like these, it's time to put aside the press clippings in put in backups. You know, like Nick Saban does. He doesn't give a crap about their feelings.
I mean, geez, he benched a QB with an almost flawless record and put in a backup freshman QB after halftime of a National Championship game because the starter was underperforming. And yet, we're supposed to believe that anybody on our offensive line or in our secondary or line backing corps is supposed to be untouchable?
Nonsense. If they can't handle their jobs, they don't belong. Enough talk. Prove it on the field.
My last 4 years at Ohio State
1985 - 9-3 #14 in the polls
1986 - 10-3 #7 in the polls
1987 - 6-4-1 not ranked
1988 - 4-6-1 not ranked
dont get too greedy - mediocrity could be right around the corner
you don't got to be Stonewall Jackson to know you don't want to fight in a basement
The 90's have been getting fuzzy in the rear view for a while. Change can come swiftly.
this is the exact same mentality that breeds mediocrity. Perhaps the players and coaches are looking at it the same way.
"it could be worse, so why does it have to be better?"
Harsh but good take. I hear a lot of "We're not Alabama or Clemson." And I say why not? No, why not be BETTER than them!
The only good thing about The Game is winning it - Urban Meyer
Yeah I was there 1987 to 1992..Ahhhh...well. we have to start this thing again. Time to hit rock bottom and come back up.
May take some time.
T bh is team hasn't shown in improvement over the last month; some problems another week
There are a lot of issues but lackluster passing game? That’s ridiculous. The fact is that we can pass protect but not run block and the defense routinely gives up 30 plus yard plays. We make average qbs look like fricking Drew Brees
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth~Mike Tyson
you're right. 6 points through the third quarter with numerous times in the redzone and we can't get it into the end zone screams offensive prowess. We were embarrassing running the game with two of the best RBs in the country, and our passing couldn't put points up.
So yes, lackluster.
Those playcalls in the redzone man.. wtf esp on that 4th down. Even if it was a clean snap and throw, that wasn't going to work. And the run game, there's always an OL who whiffs or let's his man penetrate and stuff the play at the line or for a loss and same goes for some of the WRs blocking. Lots of times our RBs have a lot of room on the edge if the receiver could just block his man.. but nope. A potential big gainer ends up being 2-3 yards or a 4 yard loss.
We were embarrassing running the game with two of the best RBs in the country
Sorry, these two may not even be top 10 any longer, I'm afraid their abilities have regressed or they are injured or gained weight or something but they aren't all that any longer.
It would help if they had a good OL to run behind. EZE had 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder with a solid C and RT to run behind and last year those 2 had the best C in CFB to go along with a solid LT and LG. Right side has been a weakness though the past two seasons.
great players don't lose abilities. They are either not developed or badly coached......or the rest of the team sucks around them. Our o line is probably the worst I've seen in years.
their abilities haven't changed, just the opportunities to show them.
Let's be realistic, neither gets around the edge or to the 2nd level too often. I know the O-Line has some accountability there, but when the do get the edge or in the 2ndary the are always brought down by a shoe string or arm tackle. Just not seeing the fire Webber had 2 seasons ago and Dobbins last year. Am I wrong?
I was literally speechless during the game. Just couldn’t come up with the words to explain what I was witnessing. Let’s say Meyer does get fired, who do we hire to replace him?
Meyer won't get fired lol. We're 80-9 since he became HC. But if he steps down, I bet Day would get the nod.
Day has coached three games. He looked fine, but if he has anything to do with the offense we're seeing--and I'm pretty sure he does--then he totally lacks an ability to find creative ways to conduct a run game. Frankly, I'm shocked that Wilson odesn't know better, because he has a history of strength in this area, but I'm guessing that 1) he's being overruled, and 2) even he couldn't do anything with this offensive line, except, oh, yeah...
Start playing other guys!!!
Ya' know, like Saban did after halftime of the National Championship! In other words, if one of the most successful QBs in the history of college football (i.e, Jalen Hurts) can be replaced by a freshman QB without flinching, why are the almighty Munford, Jordan, Pridgeon, Price, Knox, Pryor, Borland, Werner, Harrison, Fuller, etc. all untouchable?
Oh, I see--it's because once you've been made as starter, then you must be better than the backups despite whatever happens on the field because, well, you're the starter! (I believe the logicians call that a tautology, which is another way of saying, it's self-fulfilling stupidity).
It's time to shake things up, because Lord knows all of the players I just mentioned aren't capable of shaking up opponents, that is. other than getting them to lick their chops at the thought of feasting on Ohio State in big, nationally televised games.
Dumb take my dude. We couldn't score in the red zone because we're too one dimensional and cant run. That's a big no no in the red zone especially. Dwayne didn't play his best game last night, there's no doubt about that. But blaming the passing game, the one thing that was not clearly burning in the dumpster fire that was our team last night is just dumb.
J.T was a true Buckeye but last years team has a great chance of winning the National Championship if Dwayne Haskins is the QB.
The offensive system should’ve been tweaked a while ago. Defenses are all over it. Seems like we’ve been running the same handful of plays since 2015.
J.T was a true Buckeye but last years team has a great chance of winning the National Championship if Dwayne Haskins is the QB.
Eh....after tonight....based on ....what? Purdue shook this Offense and Haskins to its core. What the hell do you think Alabama, LSU or Clemson would do ?
The book on Haskins is yet to be written. As of now, he is just a stat padder and nothing else, his impressive 4th quarter against Penn State duly noted. Now...what, again?
Stat padder? Gee, maybe, but then, given that nobody else on the offense seems capable of padding a single positive stat, we might just want to take what we can get.
but last years team has a great chance of winning the National Championship if Dwayne Haskins is the QB.
Sorry, but after last night, you can’t convince me that this team would’ve beaten Iowa last year with Drew Brees as it’s QB.
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Urban's offense is stale and had been figured out a while ago. He needs to be a CEO type coach, just recruit and manage the program. Turn over the playcalling to Day and let him run his offense. Fire his buddies Studrawa, Schiano, and Davis and get the best coaches here.
Seriously Eph97 you should simply be banned from these forums. Dumbest comment I've heard in years. This offense is a lot different than the Read Zone run QB heavy offenses that have been run the previous years.
But Urban can’t figure out how to run the ball, even with a guy that can stretch the field like Haskins.
I wonder how much of an effect it had on the OL/ running game in the Summer when Urban was suspended. I feel like we focused the most on the passing game under Day, whereas if Meyer was around them last few weeks he could've made more of an emphasis on the run game and blocking. Maybe. I don't know. It could just be the ones on the OL aren't very good. Hell, Prince is still making the same mistakes and getting beat after all these years. I'm not sure who's worse in terms of penalties now, him or Shugarts.
Sorry, I have to jump in here. Haskins has NOT been stretching the field. The vast majority of passes are short/mid range completions with run after catch getting the majority of the yards.
We have not been stretching the field as everyone expected this year. Tough to do with no run game.
I'm talking not just about today when I say "figured out". It stretches back to Clemson. What a great offense, putting up the goose egg. Was not that Meyer's prime time, zone read offense with a running qb?
Nepotism has taken over. This will continue to happen as long as Urban has any say in the coaching staff
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
Nepotism and playing favorites destroyed Meyer in Florida and between his love for J.T., Zach Smith, Billy Davis, Greg Schiano, and failed schemes, it's killing him at Ohio State, despite having the most talented roster in the U.S.
Either way we're still winning at an incredible rate it just so happens the best dynasty in college football history happens to be still thriving so it makes it hard to get excited about all the winning with only 1 title... but it could be worse. Could only have a 1/2 national title that wasn't even earned on the field in the last 70 years like some teams...
Yes, we need to maintain perspective. We're in one of the golden ages of Ohio State football. We are spoiled by the success. Yes, things could conceivably be better, but they could also be a heck of a lot worse. That said, we do have issues that need to be worked on. But the idea of firing Meyer or Schiano is absurd. They are two of the very best coaches at their positions in college football.
It sounds good in theory, Kareem, or even in practice, but personally, I'm starting to see a lower and lower ceiling to what Meyer can achieve, so that I'm suspect he doesn't have another National Championship in him--not unless he has yet another fresh start elsewhere, which is what he seems to need to create distance between himself and the mess he cause with nepotism and other foolish and/or stubborn decisions.
At the end of his run in Florida, Meyer's indulgence ran the program into the ground and saw him losng 5 games on his way to seeing that happen year after did (which it did, albeit after he left). I'm guessing that 2018 will wind up being his first three-loss season (maybe worse), and it could sink lower in 2019. To that end, it's worth noting that the recruiting class is following suit for the first time.
I certainly hope I'm wrong about all of the above. I'd sincerely love noting more than to see the Buckeyes totally change course and suddenly go on a tear like they did at the end of 2014, however, I just don't think we're looking at the same situation. The program looks like it's in a serious downturn to me, and that starts with the boss.
To that end, while I hate to bring up bad memories, I believe it was just this past August that Meyer lead the program down a very unwelcome path, one that doesn't speak well of any leader, and one that doesn't bode well for where this program is headed. But... I hope I'm wrong.
Losing is one thing. Sometimes a team just stands on its head and plays a great game and also gets all the bounces to win a close one. But that's not what happened. This was a non competitive game where they were completely outplayed and out coached from beginning to end.
Keep hearing about having more talent. Frankly I don't see it unless you mean number of stars. Do we really believe our DBs and Lbs are more talented than Purdue's? I haven't seen any evidence of that in terms of actual play this year.
Coaches have seen same issues we have for past several games. Obviously haven't done anything about it in terms of either scheme or personnel and this was end result. Beyond that, though, there is also something lacking in terms of attitude. This does not seem like a team hungry to prove themselves "good enough". And that starts with the coaches and extends to the players. The ranking was unearned and maybe caused team to lose a sense of reality. The coaches and players comments about getting better were magical thinking.
I love the people blaming JT for our offensive issues when its clear its deeper than that. play calling and scheme were a bigger issue. Plus I was one of the few who stuck up for JT. Feels good being right seeing our offense tonight against Purdue btw.
BatArea Buckeye is a fucking idiot!!! Go jump on someone else bandwagon....
Hey, we get blown out by 30 once a year now. That’s cool.
I do think the team has underachieved, but the past years have still been great. About as good as anyone in the country.
If i could change my username, i would
BatAreaBuckeye..... you should cheer for another team if these accomplishments are not enough for you. You should become an Alabama fan cause maybe then you can be happy.
Exactly what accomplishments has Ohio State had since our national championship in 2014? We've embarrassed ourselves repeatedly. I have plenty to say about Alabama (namely that they never play anybody out of conference) but OSU's embarrassments have come against inferior Big Ten opponents in bad ways with the exception of the Clemson loss (31-0 in the playoffs when many questioned whether or not we should've been there to begin with; that was a great look by us). Does Bama get blown out by conference opponents that finish 7-5? This has nothing to do with whether or not a fan should change the team he roots for. This has to do with the fact that every season since 2014 our team has underachieved and messed up-miserably-and fans are getting sick of it.
There is Alabama on one level then Clemson a step below then tOSU about 1/2 step down then there is Oklahoma, Georgia, Washington, and ND another step down. It is kinda hard to complain about being the 3rd best team over the last 5 years.
It's not hard at all. This team is under-performing at a HISTORIC level. Urban is supposed to be this great motivator who's getting paid millions upon millions of dollars to lead a team, and I'm not seeing much leadership from him.
A coach the perceived level of Urban Meyer should be able to instill a culture, and he's failed to do that for 4 years now. Players have no accountability for their mistakes, and they make those same mistakes week in and week out until it eventually ends up in an embarrassing loss
I got news for you...... we are not a half step above Georgia! They will replace Bama soon as the SEC juggernaut
They have always recruited well, look at NFL rosters closely, they just needed the right coach and I think they got him.......... from Saban
Urban has always been a little overrated I think. He is Woody or Tressel from the shotgun. He is an amazing recruiter and he has been able to out talent most people but he is stubborn on his offensive approach and is NOT innovative and creative as he was sometimes believed to be. I’ve loved his time here , this season being an exception, and will forever be grateful to see the 2014 run but I think his magic is done
I hate feeling this way cuz I didn’t think it would end without another good shot at Natty but I just don’t see him restoring what he had
reading skills. over the last 5 years we are the 3rd best team in the country. didn't say today or the last 18 months.
OP taking some Ls on this post
The OP could use a statistics class.
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
Overall, the results of the team over the last 4 years have been pretty good when one looks at the team's record.
2015 - 12-1
2016 - 11-2
2017 - 12-2
2018 - 7-1
But the overall crux of the forum post is spot on - we've lost to teams we had no business losing to (Michigan State, Iowa, Purdue) and were non-competitive against a team that should have been our equal (Clemson). Here are some of the reasons why I think this continues to happen.
1) First and foremost, I think there is something going on with Urban, be it health issues or a loss of passion for coaching. Given how his last years at Florida played out, I think this should be a legitimate concern.
2) Too many chiefs on the coaching staff. While I think Schiano and Wilson are very talented coaches in their own right, brining on 2 former head coaches could be causing issues with team leadership and chemistry, particularly if it appears Urban is not completely in control.
3) I don't think Urban's offensive philosophy is a good mesh with Kevin Wilson's or that Kevin Wilson's is a good fit for Ohio State. First, Urban has always run a zone-read, run oriented offensive scheme while Wilson has historically run a pass oriented spread offense. I'm not disputing the talents of Wilson, but it just seems like these two offensive philosophies wouldn't mesh well together. Second, Wilson's pass first offense is not a good fit for the talents of Ohio State. When Ohio State is at its best offensively, it is able to pound the run and wear out an opposing defense. Under Wilson, the team seems to have lost this ability.
4) Urban has focused too much attention on recruiting top recruits nationally instead of getting the best from Ohio. I know, most of the folks on this site will bemoan the traditionalist idea of recruiting Ohio kids first, but I do think it makes a difference in the team's identity. My feeling is that the team should consist of a minimum of 60% of Ohio kids and then fill the rest of the roster with the best from the rest of the country. Ohio is a top 5 producing state for football players, so we should have no problem meeting that target. As it stands now, we are only pulling in 25% of Ohio kids with the past 2 recruiting classes. I think a focus away from Ohio kids causes the team to lose its identity and you have a situation where players come to Ohio State primarily as a stepping stone to the NFL.
"In America, anyone can become president. That's the problem." George Carlin
Well, at least we can have some fun with BOOM gifs for recruits who never reach their full potential due to coaching!
I dont mean a couple weeks either.