Urban Meyer is Underachieving

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

11W mods will delete this because they are still sad about the game and can’t stand coaching criticism but you’re 100% right.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

You are 100% wrong. We would delete it because the site wishes to maintain a handle on the number of random threads on game days.

But, have at it. Melt down folks. 

Cancer sucks! 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

No problem. 

Just asking all not to personally attack coaches or players. Criticism is in bounds, but personal attacks are not. 

It's been a rough night, but it was a football game. Let's be better than those we mock on other websites. 

Go Bucks. 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

did you ban the posters for calling players Pussies in the game thread?

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They all got timeouts. 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

thank you, hopefully long time outs.

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That's not up to me, but they've been referred to the magistrate. 

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DaiTheFlu's picture

YOU DON'T SAY

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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kpgobucks's picture

I have said it before. Urban Meyer must go! He has become the Bob Stoops of Ohio State Football. 

Kpgobucks

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I can’t agree with this. A bit to soon and I feel like Urban has faired better in a better conference. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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LCT's picture

I have thought this for a long time. He's an all-time great but his best years are behind him.

Frankly, I'm ready for what's next for this program. Too much bullshit.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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TheBadOwl's picture

He's overly loyal to bad assistants, horrible at in-game situational management and coaches like he's afraid. This isn't the pissed-off football team Urban talked about in 2014. Since that title, they've lacked that fire. 

Urban won at Utah, Bowling Green and Florida because his scheme was so far ahead of everyone else. Tom Herman's adjustments led to that 2014 title (less QB running, jet action/counters with Zeke, etc) and Urban's tried to settle into that CEO sort of role since.

The problems with the run game are definitely an o-line problem, but beyond that, there are always unblocked guys stuffing cutback lanes or overwhelming and confusing the line. Urban's offensive scheme has been solved. 

The linebackers are never in position – likely a schematic issue with the Schiano/Grinch defense – but routinely fail to cover or make tackles or proper reads, which is on Billy Davis. 

The only assistants who are worth their pay right now are Ryan Day (who will leave this offseason to be a head coach somewhere), Brian Hartline and Larry Johnson.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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UnbiasedBuckeyeFan's picture

Who would you rather have Nick Saban? He ain’t comin! Maybe Tressel back? Oh wait then we can complain about getting embarrassed by elite teams. It amazes me fans want to fire a 3x NATIONAL CHAMPION head coach. You realize he is the only reason we get the players who help win championships like the one in 2015. Look back at recruiting rankings not a lot of top 50 players were sprinting to come to Colombus, OH. We lost a game. Badly, yes but it happens. Every team besides Alabama (the greatest dynasty in modern college football) disappoints at sometime. That doesn’t mean you fire one of the top 10 greatest college football coaches of all time.

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buckeyenut74's picture

Im not saying fire Meyer. I am tired of hearing we are improving, and we have to get it fixed, but it’s more than last night. They are not improving, it’s Meyer’s job to get rid of bad coaches, and we have a few. And at some point, if he refuses to get rid of bad coaches, it falls back to him. That’s the way the real world works. 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Eh, id rather have the Purdue guys who were fighting for the extra yards last night. Im as big a recruitnik as anyone and we do DICK with 4-5 star players.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Woody trolling the SEC.

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UnbiasedBuckeyeFan's picture

You’re lying but that’s fine haha. Don’t pretend like those guys aren’t 4-3.

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TheBadOwl's picture

Who would you rather have Nick Saban? He ain’t comin! 

That's why the athletic department should try to identify and hire the next Nick Saban. 

It's clear that the program has plateaued under Urban. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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UnbiasedBuckeyeFan's picture

Yes, because winning 90% of your games says that. Get real. There’s a reason there’s less than 5 active coaches with National Championships and only 2 with multiple. It’s damn hard to win! Period! You people on here sound like high school football parents who think they’re all smarter than the coach. Watch the game and if one loss makes you feel like it’s the end of the world I feel sorry for you.

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Honestly, who is better than us and our urban built Buckeyes. I’ll give you a hint. The list is very very short. Saban and Dabo are the only two who have performed better in his time here. Is he perfect? No, but let’s not pretend like he is some bumbling idiot of a coach.

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stxbuck's picture

Agree-coaches have a shelf life. Way of the world. Thad Matta had a great run, but ran out of gas. Larry Bird has said in print that NBA teams should only keep their coaches for 3 years-and resigned as a coach himself to back his point, despite having success! Coop ran out of gas. Woody ran out of gas. Les Miles ran out of gas. This doesn't detract from these coaches careers, but nostalgia doesn't get teams out of a rut.

I'm not going to call for Urban's head or anything like that, but throughout his career, he has shown himself as unable to bounce back from a rough patch in his tenure. BG and Utah-upward trajectory all the way. UF-when going got got tough, Urban got away.

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BeatMeechigun's picture

You guys would have wanted Woody fired after his first three years!  He went 1-2 vs. M and lost 3 games each year.

Woody won a whopping 3 Big Ten titles in his first 17 years.  He finished by winning 9 in his last 11.

Rough patch?!  We are the defending Big Ten champions, won a bowl against USC for the first time in forever, and are 7-1 this year.  Finishing tied for or alone for 1st in our division every damn year is not a "rough patch".  The 80s were a rough patch.  1999-2001 was a rough patch.  2011 was a rough patch.  We have been utterly spoiled since 2002.  The fans who are upset simply cannot handle that we are not Alabama right now.  Simple as that.  I'm not suggesting the 2018 teams doesn't have gaping flaws.  But I'm also not ok with 4 straight top 6 finishes being called a "rough patch".  The ONLY other time that has happened in our program history was 1973-1976 (and we didn't win a NC during that stretch).

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RocknRollover's picture

Blown out three years in a row.  Unacceptable at Ohio State.  Time to make big changes

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bucks4nuts's picture

Bama never blown out .. to be bama u blow team out

"To The House"

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ponder10's picture

At Bama Saban had never lost by more than 14 points.

(Clemson, Iowa, Purdue)

“In the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught.” ~ Baba Dioum

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ponder10's picture

Since 2008 the total points Saban teams have lost by is 105 (14 losses).

In the past 3 years (5 losses) Urban's teams have lost by a total of 109 points.

These two are not even close.

“In the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught.” ~ Baba Dioum

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UnbiasedBuckeyeFan's picture

We’re not Bama, get over it. We won’t see another dynasty like Bama’s for 50 years. If that is your expectation then go be a Bama fan. Nick Sabans don’t grow on trees! 

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Outraged Brush's picture

Stop making excuses for this piss poor team. You must be happy with the team losing by 29 to Purdue

YOU SIT THERE AND YOU THUMP YOUR BIBLE AND YOU SAY YOUR PRAYERS AND IT DIDN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE!!! TALK ABOUT YOUR PSALMS TALK ABOUT JOHN 3:16.... AUSTIN 3:16 SAYS I JUST WHIPPED YOUR ASS!!!!!

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UnbiasedBuckeyeFan's picture

It was one game. We’re not 2 year olds here. Every disappointment moment doesn’t deserve a “the sky is falling” reaction. We’re a team that lost 3 first rounders and dealt with a major off the field scandal all off season. If you thought we were going undefeated I have some beachfront property I can sell you in North Dakota.

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Outraged Brush's picture

So you must like OSU not winning national championships, and I know you’ll respond with “BUT HE WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP IN 2014!!” Yeah it was 5 fucking seasons ago, and since then it’s been nothing but disappointments and blow-outs. If you’re content with OSU going to a meaningless bowl game every year that’s fine, but don’t criticize other fans for wanting more of out of the program.

YOU SIT THERE AND YOU THUMP YOUR BIBLE AND YOU SAY YOUR PRAYERS AND IT DIDN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE!!! TALK ABOUT YOUR PSALMS TALK ABOUT JOHN 3:16.... AUSTIN 3:16 SAYS I JUST WHIPPED YOUR ASS!!!!!

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BeatMeechigun's picture

Can we criticize fans who are too blind to recognize that finishing in the top 6 for 4 consecutive years is the greatest stretch in the history of this program (only other time we achieved that was 1973-1976 and we DIDN'T win a NC during that stretch).

2014 may have been 5 seasons ago, but 2002 was 12 before that and 1968 was 34 years prior to that one.

Too many illusionists who think what is happening at Alabama is replicable and that we can switch a button and accomplish what is happening there. 

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Outraged Brush's picture

Fair point we probably won’t be on the same level as Alabama, but that doesn’t excuse losing by 29 to Purdue and by 31 to Iowa last year. We’re better than that. Far better

YOU SIT THERE AND YOU THUMP YOUR BIBLE AND YOU SAY YOUR PRAYERS AND IT DIDN'T GET YOU ANYWHERE!!! TALK ABOUT YOUR PSALMS TALK ABOUT JOHN 3:16.... AUSTIN 3:16 SAYS I JUST WHIPPED YOUR ASS!!!!!

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Knarcisi's picture

What’s happening at Alabama is an illusion?  Looks like reality to me. The way we recruit, our endless tradition and resources, no excuses.  

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UnbiasedBuckeyeFan's picture

We play a significantly harder schedule than Alabama. A lot of people look at the big matchups and say “Oh that’s a tough schedule.” When you schedule an FCS team right in between these big matchups, you are effectively giving yourself an additional by week. It’s not that the platform isn’t their to be Bama, but there’s also factors out of a coaches control that come into play. Bama is win at all cost. While we do place a high emphasis on winning as well, we are in a conference that cares about things off the field as well.

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BeatMeechigun's picture

Alabama places themselves as one of the top teams in college football year after year and deserves due credit.

Alabama also wins when they get the opportunity for the most part and deserves credit.

That said, Ohio State also puts themselves right there year after year.  The reason that what Alabama is doing is not replicable is because of the following:

2011 - Bama catches a break and gets a rematch for the BCS.  An unprecedented move and one in which there were certainly arguably other deserving teams.

2012 - Bama gets ND, but had OSU not been ineligible, Bama would not have been in the NC.

2017 - Bama loses their last game of the season, only meaningful game, misses the  CCG, and still winds up in the playoffs.

Alabama is great, there is no disputing that.  But here's OSU's luck.

2012 - Undefeated but not bowl eligible.

2014 - Catches a break and wins it all.

2015 - No different than 2017 Alabama aside from the OSU loss being to a playoff team.  OSU not only misses the playoffs but misses the Rose Bowl as well in favor of Iowa.

Had 2012 and 2015 gone differently, Bama very well could have 2 less titles and OSU could have 2 more.

Being a great team is absolutely a prerequisite and Bama is just that.  That said, to achieve what Alabama has since 2009 takes a ton of luck as well.  They've had both pieces of the puzzle. 

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Turban Meyer's picture

Yeah, they get to play 8 conference games. One game vs. FCS opponent and they don't travel. They play neutral site games that are always in the South.  I think the last time they hit the road was at Penn State in 2011.  Their non-conference opponents this year are Lousiville, Louisiana-Lafayette, Arkansas State, and Citadel. Sure, TCU looks like shit now, but we played in Dallas, which is basically their backyard. And gutless Patterson canceled coming to The Shoe next season. 

That said, Alabama are the elite program in college football,but they never go out of their way to make their mission harder. 

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kmp10's picture

This is the worst Ohio State offensive line in a generation, the worst defense of the Meyer era, BY FAR, despite the condescending super geniuses on here citing their nerd stats and telling us the D is really good and we're just too stupid to know it, and the weakest group mentally, from the head coach down to the walk-ons, since the end of the Cooper era. Captain Nick Bosa leaving like a thief in the middle of the night not only speaks VOLUMES about Bosa's character, but about this 'team's' brotherhood, and the real culture inside the WHAC. I know everyone has a down year here and there... but this team is EMBARRASSINGLY SOFT, and Meyer allowed it all to crumble when Zach Smith was permitted to run roughshod over the rules and the program while Meyer continued to pay homage to a 9-3 monument to mediocrity named Earle Bruce. If Meyer doesn't quit (again) in the middle of the night like his handpicked captain did, and Greg Studrawa and Bill Davis still have jobs next season, we'll know that Meyer learned NOTHING whatsoever from the Smith debacle.

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The Rill Dill's picture

Keep preachin my brotha!!!! FUCK Urban Meyer

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Eph97's picture

I've been watching OSU football since 1983. I remember the Bruce years all too well. To this day, I never understood why this coach is remembered so fondly. 9-3 is a horrible record for a place like Ohio State with all the recruiting and resource advantages it enjoys. OSU was never in the national title hunt other than his first year with Woody's players. He as 5-4 vs. Michigan, hardly a world beater.

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High St Heismans's picture

Kmp10 10 HOURS AGO 

If Meyer doesn't quit (again) in the middle of the night like his handpicked captain did, and Greg Studrawa and Bill Davis still have jobs next season, we'll know that Meyer learned NOTHING whatsoever from the Smith debacle.

Good Post this harkens back to the 31-0 Clemson pansing.UFM promised there would be wholesale changes.Yet after 3 series in the spring game he hands the keys right back to the guy who was one of the problems - JTB.How can a guy make Urbans money and ignore the problems like Zach Smith or underperforming players like JTB?Loyalty?BullCrap - you owe the program and what's best for it.sadly I have not seen this.Honestly does anyone think this program is better because of those ignorant oversites.Recruits use to come knocking but this off season how do you sell the program in light of Zach Smith fiasco and a pedestrian like performance on the field

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BuckeyeDevil's picture

I am disgusted with this program and I feel that this is the end of Ohio State as the preeminent team in the B1G and as a perennial CFP contender. But I think the mods should close the site to comments and give us all a period to cool down.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Are you serious? Man we ain’t kids. The last thing we need is more Mod intervention. We don’t need to cool down it’s a game. We aren’t negotiating with foreign leaders.

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faux_maestro's picture

We're not mgo.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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xbuceye's picture

I'm guessing you haven't been reading the posts for the past 4 hours.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Sad, but true. 

Cancer sucks! 

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faux_maestro's picture

I'm referring to shutting the site down and allowing no comments. That's the stuff mgo does. That and the owner of the site attacking readers of the site on twitter.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I'm tracking. Just commenting on the pivot to the less desirable things we do have in common. 

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stxbuck's picture

What-you are going full chicken little-I have news for you-tOSU football ain't anywhere near done as the B10's big dog-regardless of what staff/culture changes may be necessary in the future.

Also, don't cry for the mods-we are all adults here-it's not like a crazy troll is running wild-people are actually discussing the state of the team.

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

Lincoln Riley fires his dc midway through the season. Nick Saban fires people before a national title game. Urban Meyer will make excuses and say how much better they are going to be. The amount of talent we have should never lose to Purdue

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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bucks4nuts's picture

God damn u speak it.. “all this talent “

"To The House"

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The Rill Dill's picture

Wonder who will be graded as champions?

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TigerSweat's picture

Werner for sure. The champion grading is a damn glorified participation trophy.

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Mosely's picture

You’ve become one of my favorite reads here Dill.

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ponder10's picture

Urban can't fire people mid season because the one that needs to go was in his wedding.

DON'T HIRE FRIENDS!

“In the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught.” ~ Baba Dioum

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Mosely's picture

This is exactly why I don’t have friends

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MightyMac63's picture

After seeing "Iowa Part 2" here..it's time for some of the positional coaches to be looked at and sent packing. 

"Just remember one thing. I can do your job, but you can't do mine." - Woody Hayes to an OSU professor

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

They should have been sent packing last year. Bill Davis for sure should have been gone. Should be after tonight, tavern Johnson sucks, should be gone. Schiano has a terrible defensive philosophy.

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skinnytrees's picture

If he has 3 titles instead of 1 I wouldnt care

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joejoe04's picture

When the Buckeyes hired Meyer, it made me think the days of being blown out by teams like Florida, LSU, and USC were over. We wouldn't always win, but at least we'd recruit the kind of talent that would always make us competitive. But now, apparently, we're under-utilizing that talent to such a degree that we have to worry about being blown out by mediocre B1G teams.

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Ca114fire's picture

Talent underutilized means bad coaching. I appreciate UFM and what's hes done for the program. But I agree with the guy in this thread. His best years are behind him.

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Diplomat's picture

I love my Buckeyes BUT i'm glad they got their asses beat. This is worse than Iowa last year.

When you replace Coombs and Varbel and Wariner and Herman and Ash and Fickle with scrub coaches this eventually happens. Saban doesn't hire or keep coaches based on loyalty. Some turnover on the coaching staff is a must this off season, I'm not saying it needs to be with Meyer stepping down but something needs to change just to send the message that this mediocre preparation cannot continue #GoBucks

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TigerSweat's picture

It's not only the coaches. We've lost a ton of our best players early to the draft and that was bound to bite us. The bonehaded penalties were a killer and the defense appeared to give up late in the game. The line can't run block to save their lives and the backs go down at the first hint of contact.

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The Rill Dill's picture

The players DO NOT GIVE TWO SHITS about Ohio State. This is nothing but an NFL factiry to them. 

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BuckeyeFanInBoulder's picture

The video of Haskins as a boy would be one contrarian example, but in general I don't disagree for this specific team. D Lee, Cardale, Braxton; those were Ohio kids... there are million examples further back; Ginn, Hawk, etc.

Also, warning, UK basketball comment or link to thread incoming.

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Mosely's picture

The two huge eff ups where osu would’ve gotten the ball back but instead lead to Purdue touchdowns——-done by Ohio guys

good passion though amirite 

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wlb8451's picture

Great article in the recent Wall Street Journal about Bosa. Gave up on the NFL years ago because of it being a big money game. Now college football is becoming the same. I agree with Tebo that he could have at least TRIED for the potential of a national championship.

I think Meyer has lost it ever since he didn't fire Beck after the MSU rain fiasco. He let it fester another year to produce the Clemson fiasco.

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TigerSweat's picture

The LB's (especially Werner) are among the worst I've seen in several years and the penalties and missed red zone opportunities are killing them.

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Ca114fire's picture

Werner looks about 20lbs to small to be a LB. I know hes around 220, but he looks thinner than a cornstalk. Which would be fine if they didnt look lost constantly. Im not disrespecting the young man. Lot of them play their heart out. I just think it comes down to bad coaching.

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TigerSweat's picture

He's definitely too small or too weak. I've kept and eye on him all year and he constantly gets blown out of plays if he's not getting lost due to poor instincts. I don't mean to down him but he shouldn't be starting (or really even playing other than the occasional third down) at OSU

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Urban Meyer will never win another meaningful game at Ohio State. I'll take my DVs, I don't care. He has quit and I'm sick of watching fumble along the sidelines and let mediocre coaches like Schiano, Smith and Davis embarrass this university. An absolute pathetic showing.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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LCT's picture

Here's another thing. There will be calls for firing Studrawa & Davis aplenty this week.

You know what? Fire Meyer. He's the boss. Stop scapegoating the underlings.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Mosely's picture

That’s a really good idea. I think ur on to something

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LCT's picture

U prolly spent the week using your other account to call people "spoiled" and remind everyone we were 7-0

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Mosely's picture

I was joking. I would not fire urban Meyer if that was a decision I got to make

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

my post went in the wrong spot... merp. Not unlike our LBs at times. So i have redacted my comment. Hate on friends.

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martin anderson's picture

Urban is the GM, GE, and Sears Roebuck of coaching . His best days are behind him. He continues to surround himself with less than the best assistants and he's too stubborn to change

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USMC11917's picture

Thank you players for sacrificing your bodies tonight. We are all disappointed and I have nothing else positive to say other than that. You need our support more now than ever.

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RollRedRoll's picture

This is the correct take brother. 

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TigerSweat's picture

May be time to elevate Day to HC. The LB's are embarrassing and the penalties are a clown show

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Eph97's picture

But Urban thinks Pete Werner is doing great. lololol

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TigerSweat's picture

That is one of the main problems... What is he watching to come away with those opinions? It's fucking bizarre

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Cuz you know more than him.  You know the defensive calls and whether he did his assignment or not.  You know whether there was supposed to be inside help on the slants where he was beaten to the middle.

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AZbucks77's picture

Underachieving for sure.  Almost as underachieving as the 11W servers, lol.  

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teddyballgame's picture

Urban is a hypocrite.  He talks about "9 strong" on the field but he allows shit assistant coaches to hang around for years.

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

The real irony here - Joe Burrow could get into the playoffs with LSU and we could be out. 
Extremely disappointed in our coaching staff.  

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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TigerSweat's picture

But make no mistake - Haskins is the superior QB and was the correct choice. He was the lone bright spot on the team tonight. A JT or Burrow led offense would have struggled to breach mid field tonight.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Correct. The problem is not the personnel on the field. It’s the personnel on the sidelines

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buckeyeguy0615's picture

Was at the game. There were also about 4 or 5 dropped passes by Purdue’s defense. He was getting lucky with those drops.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

He was flirting with interceptions all game long, that's for sure. Still, an "off" game for Haskins still didn't lose us the game. 

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

I agree with ya, Tiger.   100 percent. 

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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kmp10's picture

I think Haskins is clearly the better passer, TS, but I don't know that he was definitely the better choice between himself and Burrow, at least for Meyer. Watching Haskins even attempt to run is painful. If it wasn't so frustrating it would almost be funny. The guy is the most awkward runner at quarterback I've seen in a long time. Burrow, who clearly isn't comparable to DH as a passer, is exponentially better athletically/as a runner. You're right, Haskins was the only bright spot, literally, within the program last night, but Meyer and his staff haven't been able to build a complete offense around him. That isn't 7s fault, but I've wondered for the past month whether or not Burrow, because he's CLEARLY the more athletic quarterback of the two, would have been the better choice specifically for Urban Meyer. I don't think the passing offense would have been nearly as good with Burrow, but I also don't believe the overall offense would be nearly as bad. Burrow is more in Meyer's wheelhouse and Meyer's philosophy wouldn't have had to make such a dramatic change with JB under center. I don't know... it's clearly beyond anyone's ability to figure out, including Meyer himself.

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stxbuck's picture

Uh, if the OL is playing like shit, it doesn't matter if the QB is mobile. Barrett got stuffed plenty on short plays. Haskins was the only thing keeping the game from from being 56-3 instead of 49-20.

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Ca114fire's picture

There is little hope of CFP. That that was arguably worse than the iowa game.

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Geraffi's picture

We’re not a playoff caliber team. At least not now. We have the talent to be one, but coaching and execution are a significant problem. 

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Ca114fire's picture

That could change if we win out in convincing fashion. But I dont think UFM has what it takes to fix it. Because that means firing people.

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BuckeyeinSF's picture

Maybe he should stop hiring his friends where he can’t fire them as soon as they need to be.

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DuckBuck's picture

I've fought against all the parallels between the end of Meyers time at UF and where we are at today, but one of the issues was losing the team. I don't see many leaders amongst the sea of captains, and in a room filled with ego's this could do damage (true in many settings). Something, maybe many things, need to change. This must be fixed now or else we may see a downward spiral.

And yes, I get we are spoiled, have had a great run, and its only 1 loss, yada yada yada....but the last couple of losses have been ridiculous and there is no reason we shouldnt be as dominate as Alabama with the players we get. End rant. Love the Buckeyes, and my fellow fans.

 
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LCT's picture

We're not "spoiled." We should expect a top flight contender. It's Ohio State.

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TigerSweat's picture

I'm with ya. I'll add that the defense is embarrassing and the offensive line is soft as pudding.

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stxbuck's picture

there is no reason we shouldnt be as dominate as Alabama with the players we get.

This is a false assumption. I'm certainly not going to claim that our OL would be awesome if only they played in Tuscaloosa, or Isaiah Pryor would be the 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott if he played for a team w/ an elephant mascot. Saban is a defensive coach, w/ a defensive vision-and he recruits for it. Urban doesn't. I'm not happy w/ the d this year, but maybe you should stop assuming that every incoming player is automatically going to be all B10 b/c the starhanderouters tell you so.

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bucks4nuts's picture

Yes 

Stubborn .. 

"To The House"

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ohiopanda's picture

He’s underachieved for (probably) the fourth straight year. 2015: insanely talented team but MSU 2015 was a crapfest. 2016: Destroyed by Clemson. 2017: Bad against a good Oklahoma, but destroyed by Iowa. 2018: Very poor play since Urban came back, and finally a blowout. 

Why can’t we lose gracefully? When we lose, we freakin explode. I’d rather lose by 10 than 29. The committee can’t forgive that bad of a loss

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TigerSweat's picture

The severity of the loss won't matter if they win out. Many points were scored in garbage time after our mediocre defense had decided to check out.

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I am Kirok's picture

Teams that get blown out have zero heart. tOSU does t come up against superior talent. They don't have the heart, that's how they get blow out.

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BeatMeechigun's picture

The last 4 years we have finished in the top 6.  The ONLY other time that happened in program history was 1973-1976 (and we didn't win a NC those years).

You have an odd definition of "underachievement" when the results suggest that is arguably the best 4 year run in program history.

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ohiopanda's picture

Ohio State has top 6 resources and talent, finishing top 6 shouldn’t be surprising.

Going on a fourth straight year without a competitive showing in the playoffs - that’s underachieving for an OSU level program and a top-paid head coach

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BeatMeechigun's picture

Ohio State has always had top 6 resources.  So does Florida, FSU, ND, Texas, and USC.  Why is Alabama the only comparison people are willing to make?

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CreekBuck's picture

Well one thing, when urban losed he doesnt half ass it. Blow out after blow out.

You win with people.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

LOL - thanks for the timely chuckle. You're right, he doesn't F around, he goes all in on that shit! 

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CreekBuck's picture

At least we wont be embarrassed by Alabama

You win with people.

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CreekBuck's picture

2 things left to play for scUM and big ten title.

You win with people.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

If Michigan keeps winning, which they should, the Buckeyes aren't even out of the CFP. I know getting pasted will hurt in a comparison to another one loss conference champ, but they're in it.

I know they may be on life support at the moment, and maybe they just can't get it right, but IF they do, this loss shouldn't hold them back. 

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TigerSweat's picture

Honestly I'm a little apathetic about this loss. They had it coming and a good embarrassment was probably needed to wake the coaches and players up. Also, the cartwheel into the kicked was one of the most cringey penalties that I've ever seen. The game was still close at that point. Ridiculous

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

This season has felt like we’ve been playing on borrowed time all year. 

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CreekBuck's picture

Why do they need to get their asses kicked to wake up? Denying the truth even in a win is delusion. Maybe thats why Saban is such a sour SOB. Always sees the bad side of everything.

You win with people.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I didn't see something so lopsided, but figured a loss was coming. I can see us improving from here on out (to a degree) as Meyer usually requires an ass-kicking to make adjustments. A better coaching staff makes adjustments even while winning. 

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bucks4nuts's picture

Tomorrow the Meyer family will post “ the sun came up”

"To The House"

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LCT's picture

Yep, that too.

Football isn't that important generally, but it's important enough that Urban makes $7M a year. That shit's tonedeaf in context.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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stxbuck's picture

Someone should ask Spinner what the on-field standard should be for $7 million per......................

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CowCat's picture

I appreciate what Urban has done for us, but he does seem like a changed man now. He looks depressed. He doesn't look fired up talking into the microphone. He doesn't yell at anyone, refs or players. He constantly shrugs his head or puts his hands on his knees and looks at the turf (he used to have his head up in that stance).

I'd be happy to keep him, but only if he's fired up and competitive. We were clearly out-coached and out-played in every phase today, and that falls squarely on the shoulders of the head coach.

This was the SuperBowl for Purdue. Everyone knew it. Why can't we take our opponents as seriously as they take us? Purdue had a brilliant game plan. But we were predictable. Purdue knew exactly what we were going to do. We didn't have an answer for their game plan, even after half time.

I want to get back to an attitude where we calculate and destroy each team for what they are each and every week. The "we have more talent" argument doesn't mean sh*t. Prepare and play every game like it's a title game, because every opponent will be doing that.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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youra6's picture

I'm sick of this Superbowl analogy. Alabama and Clemson is everyone else's Superbowl and they kick the shit out of their opponents regardless.

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CowCat's picture

... which proves my original point. Alabama and Clemson just destroy anyone in their path. They know they have to be 100% prepared every week, no matter who the opponent is.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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youra6's picture

Sorry I didn't mean to say you were wrong, I'm basically trying to agree with you.

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Geraffi's picture

That’s his point. We know it’s coming yet we don’t game plan for it. 

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Geraffi's picture

Why can't we take our opponents as seriously as they take us? Purdue had a brilliant game plan. But we were predictable. Purdue knew exactly what we were going to do. We didn't have an answer for their game plan, even after half time.

Very well stated. I agree with you 100%.every damn week. So frustrating. 

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

This team is soft.  No true leaders. The offensive line is soft. The LBs are the worst I’ve seen since I started seriously watching OSU football in 2000. Gone are the days when Ohio State could get a first and goal at the 5 and cram the ball down people’s throats. This team lacks an edge, and I think that it starts at the top. Meyer is who he is. He isn’t ruthless like Saban, or Riley appears to be. A zebra doesn’t change its stripes. 

OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!

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oztintacius's picture

I'll just leave this here: https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite/

Per 247 composite, OSU has the best roster in football. If losses to Purdue and Iowa the past two years are acceptable, then I guess we carry on with the Zach Smith enabler.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Good comment ruined by a personal attack. 

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stxbuck's picture

Maybe coaches know more about real talent than the 24/7 composite.............................

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Buckster's picture

Nick Saban would never let anything like this happen.

You have to recruit rough, tough football players like all the felons Urban had at Florida.  Urban is now recruiting real academic oriented student/football players and you become soft Northwestern. 

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Dillon G's picture

Correct. They had this heading their way, and the inability to run gets worse as teams notice, just have 7 against their 5.

#walkaway

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Eph97's picture

He earns $7.5 mill a year for putting out this lousy product? He needs to look at himself in the mirror and ask if he wants to continue coaching and if so pretty much fire all the coaches other than LJ and Hartline. He also needs to turn over playcalling duties forever as his stale RPO has been figured out a long time ago. We don't win in 2014 with JT running it.

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TigerSweat's picture

I know that taller corners are all the rage lately but we're really suffering from not having a quick twitch DB who can cover guys like Moore. Our DB's look like fools trying to cover the quicker receivers.

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stxbuck's picture

Uh, there is no such thing as a 'quick twitch DB' who can consistently cover guys like Rondale Moore or Tyreek Hill one on one. If there is, please give an example.

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stxbuck's picture

If he was that good, he would be starting. He's not, and, as I said before, DBs THAT good don't actually exist.

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Dillon G's picture

The overwhelming analysis is wrong. Brohm just admitted he "didn't know the secret formula" on why their defense seemed good tonight, when it sucks. Reason wise, Purdue didn't win, Ohio State lost. It's Meyer's scheme.

#walkaway

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blu.fan's picture

The team clearly has problems. But is it Meyer's fault? When he was forced to sit out three games plus pre-season? You can talk about things being the same, but I think his presence and direction was sorely missed. As you see now.

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Geraffi's picture

Fair question. In response I say, yes, it is Meyers fault ultimately. We’ve underperformed agains less talented teams every year under Meyer. Exhibit A: Iowa 2017. Exhibit B: Indiana nearly every season. 

It starts with Meyer, but this coaching staff in general is doing a terrible job with a few exceptions, LJ, Hartline, Day, maybe Wilson. 

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JarheadBuck's picture

I find a lot of the opinions in this thread amusing.

1) This isn't an Urban team.  This year he's CEO based on the Admin-induced preseason fiasco.  This is Day's offense and Schiano's defense.  You can tell he hates the idea of a pass-first (and second) offense...and he should.

2) Let's assume he is underachieving.  So...what is it you propose?  Do we give up the elite recruiting in favor of somebody who is an Xs and Os guy?  That may take us back into the Tressel-era of "good, but not elite, recruiting" paired with good execution and conservative offense in hope of grinding out Ws.  That was always pretty good, not exactly optimal either since it resulted in 1-3 losses per year.

Bottom line is, I can't think of who out there in the coaching world I'd rather have run the program. 

That said, Coaches Studrawa, Grinch, Davis and Johnson got some real splaining to do as to why they should be around next year.  Maybe they have good explanations...but the results aren't showing what they should.

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martin anderson's picture

Studrawa and Davis should never have been hired to begin with. Les Miles told Studrawa to seek other "opportunities " when he was let go at LSU and Davis wasn't any good in the NFL. Larry Johnson is not as good as hyped

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JarheadBuck's picture

Larry Johnson is not as good as hyped

Since you were replying to me...wrong Johnson.  As near as I can tell, Larry is the class of his profession (DL coaches).  Taver, on the other hand, hasn't gotten it done at OSU so far.

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Geraffi's picture

My purpose is to call out an underperforming coaching staff. I do t think Urbam should be fired...yet, but I do expect.as others have said, that he take a long hard look at himself and his staff. Year after year the team underperforms, yet nothing changes in how they prepare for these games. This loss should be unacceptable, and Urban should make that know publicly. But he won’t  he’ll grade some champions, and say we’ve got to get better.  

You said this perfectly.

“That said, Coaches Studrawa, Grinch, Davis and Johnson got some real splaining to do as to why they should be around next year.  Maybe they have good explanations...but the results aren't showing what they should.” 

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JarheadBuck's picture

I do t think Urbam should be fired...yet,

That's nice...but let's say you change your mind in a few games.  Who the hell do you think we can get who will lose less than 9 games in 7 years, including being 6-0 against TTUN and 6-1 against PSU and 4-2 versus Sparty?

For my money, that list has MAYBE one name...Nick Saban.  And I'm not sure he can do what he's done down South in C-bus given the weather, demographics and lower level of support he'd get in Columbus vs Tuscaloosa.  (Plus I think it's likely harder to get kids admitted and through OSU than Bama.)

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Das Hufeisen's picture

I sense a real lack of leadership, both from the coaches and among the players. There are so many mistakes, mental errors, penalties, and schematic head-scratchers that fall at the feet of the coaches. That and I don't see any emotional leaders anywhere.

AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built

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Geraffi's picture

Like when Purdue had 4th and 1 and you expected QB sneak and there was a hole in the D-line, pre-snap, big enough to drive a tank through. And that’s exactly where Blough went. Out played, out coached, and out schemed

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aledyard's picture

Don't get me wrong, I think Urban is one of the top football coaches of all time, but something is missing.  I don't know if it's issues with his health or just that he has lost his passion for coaching, but something is off.  I would not be surprised at all if he hangs it up after the end of the season.  

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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buckeyenut74's picture

We have plenty of things “we have to get fixed” Nothing has gotten fixed. In his words, “ this team is a clown show,”

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bobsegersilverbulletband's picture

For all the highly ranked recruiting classes of the past 3 years, this team is lacking something. Other than Haskins and the passing game nothing seems to be working. I think that has to be attributed to poor coaching including the misuse or non-use of highly regarded recruits. Where have you gone Haskell Garret? Wyatt Davis? Jeremy Ruckert? Nicholas Petit-Frere? Josh Meyer? Tate Martell?

Injuries have definitely played a part with Bosa being the most obvious but Bowen and Taylor's absence hurting the O-line.

Barring a miracle turnaround I see a loss to Michigan and a possible loss to MSU in the Bucks future.

Add in what appears to be a small recruiting class and its easy not to be real optimistic this Sunday morn.

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OSU56's picture

The world is falling apart- one loss and everyone is like we have lost every game. Spoiled and unrealistic. You have a coach that has won and won games that many wish they can.

You have 100 young players that the staff tries to have ready for every game. Kids think differently. Every team has a Bullseye on the bucks  and will throw the book at them, every week.

The night was really for a young man who is battling cancer and is a Purdue fan. That game will mean more to him than anyone of us or anyone else.

Buckeyes will be fine- they still control their own destiny-the young mans is controlled by a horrible disease.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Dude, every team has fans, young and old, who are dying. I'm not trying to make light of the situation, but there's probably an entire wing at Nationwide Children's right now of young Ohio State fans battling deadly illness.

I realize the point of your post is to show perspective, but last night isn't a unique situation in life being larger than football. Of course there's shit more important than football, and there always will be. I'm sorry, that's not an excuse for our team consistently underperforming.

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buckeyenut74's picture

I’m not disagreeing with you about the young man that is battling cancer, yeah compared to that this game means nothing.  However, back to football, they have not improved throughout the year, they are getting worse. You either get better or get worse. They are getting worse. Nothing has been corrected, nothing. It’s the same crap week in and week out. 

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Geraffi's picture

Wish I could give you more than 1 upvote. 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Urban seems disinterested this year. I don't know a better word to explain it, but yeah. He looks checked out and the fact that the team has only regressed over 8 weeks rather than improve is enough to show me that that is the case. 

I feel like he should just hand over the game week preparation to Day and just serve in some sort of advisory role and just see if that helps.The team is starting to look just as disinterested as he is.

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Johnny Utah's picture

Stunning fact I read in The Athletic this morning: Zach Smith is the only assistant coach that Urban Meyer has ever fired. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

And, look at what that took. Urban Meyer isn't firing anyone. 

Sadly. 

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High St Heismans's picture

Glad the OP said it UFM started this last season by continually putting a guy under center that doesn't have an arena league offer.Then keeps a drunken frat boy on the staff long past what prudence would demand.The Head Coach makes bad decisions and does it at 7 million per

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

We're probably still going to go 11-1 and beat Michigan, but I'm sick of this routine with Meyer and his coaches. Why does it always take an embarrassing, chastening loss for changes to be made? 

If Nick Saban's team even struggles a little in a midseason SEC game you know someone's head is going to roll. Why do we have to get embarrassed on national television for Meyer to wake up? Every. Fucking. Season. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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LCT's picture

This week I've seen BN94 & MiamiBuck drop F bombs in the forums, usually each is very level-headed & even-keeled.

I think pissedoffitude has reached a new level in the fandom......

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buckbornbred's picture

Meyer has completely lost the fire; he needs to retire.
 

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tampatom's picture

The timing of the Bosa announcement tells me there were problems in the locker room. That was a distraction in a week of a trap game when he could have waited until the bye week. The team looks and plays like Meyer looks on sidelines, worried and passive....the team just isn't the same since his return. I also don't want to pile on all the coaches as there may be players like warner and borland that meyer has told coaches have to play because of their leadership. If better players feel they are not getting their shot, then you get problems in locker room. The reason for lack of leadership is because you have n+1 captains so being a captain doesn't mean much. Lastly with all the bad assistant coaches, Meyer refuses to take interim tag off Hartline, which should have been done as soon as he returned

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High St Heismans's picture

IMO Bosa made the announcement because of the extent of the injury.Why risk rehabbing so late in the season and re-injuring again before the draft.Can't blame him there

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napbuck's picture

Why can’t Bosa wait one more week to make this announcement why do it during a game week when there is a bye next week, the reason cause they wanted it to be about them instead of the team just like him leaving in the middle of the season he was never there for the team just himself and to get to the NFL

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wlb8451's picture

It looks like we will have another repeat performance of the Beck fiasco. Meyer keeps Beck for another year after the MSU rain fiasco at Ohio Stadium to produce the Clemson fiasco a year later. He needs to fire underperforming coaches mid season!

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stxbuck's picture

Firing assistant coaches in the middle of the season does absolutely no good. It might give fans someone to blame for a mili-second, but that's it.

Urban is a below average game manager, and has a disastrous OL situation this year. He is the type of coach who will fall on his sword for upperclassmen playing, even if the greater success of the team would demand otherwise.

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Bigmarty's picture

Can you see and hear the Nebraska game now???  All the BOOOOOING from OSU "fans".  Won't go because of that even though prices will be down.   Media got what they wanted and some here will happy to play a part in it.

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AnddJohn's picture

All true buckeye fans knew this time was flawed. It was only a matter if time before those flaws resulted in the team losing a game. I for one am tired of hearing "we have to get that fixed" only to see the same issues week in and week out. Our defense plays soft and without passion. Our offense is sadly one dimensional best. They need to open up the playbook, I am tired of seeing 3 yard passes, take more shots down the field and maybe we can win a shootout. Sadly the blue print to beating this team is out. I don't see it getting much better this year unless drastic changes are made.

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DonTurner's picture

Losing two games in two years, and most of the posts sound like nagging unsatisified wives.     It's not the end of the world.   The sun rose this morning as it always does.    Look forward to the next  game.     

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buckitom45's picture

I was at the game last week and it was pretty obvious that this years team was struggling in many areas.  They were 7-0 and still had not played 4 quarters of solid football.  In my opinion, there are too many inexperienced players in the secondary and at linebacker.  They need seasoning and a few need to mature physically.  Next year will be a much better year if the core players stick around.  I would not be surprised if we lose a couple more while the team is learning how to play consistently.  Keep the faith, Urban will develop the team like he always does.  Go Bucks!

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buckitom45's picture

I was at the game last week and it was pretty obvious that this years team was struggling in many areas.  They were 7-0 and still had not played 4 quarters of solid football.  In my opinion, there are too many inexperienced players in the secondary and at linebacker.  They need seasoning and a few need to mature physically.  Next year will be a much better year if the core players stick around.  I would not be surprised if we lose a couple more while the team is learning how to play consistently.  Keep the faith, Urban will develop the team like he always does.  Go Bucks!

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