Bosa, tons more evidence he'll succeed in the NFL.
Haskins sample size is still too small for me to risk my job and $30 million on him. He looks good but still only has 7 career starts. I'd take Bosa.
Bosa, if the team is terrible then the O-line probably sucks. If the O-line is good, then Haskins could be great, but I don't see Haskins being a great scrambling QB.
I don't think Haskins' footwork in the pocket is nearly good enough at this point to be picked that high.
Bosa. And in my opinion it's not particularly close.
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I love Joey Bosa, and I like Nick Bosa too... but at a 30 million dollar investment their injury history gives me pause. I'd go quarterback, especially with Herbert available. He's unique.
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I'm thinking about doing an an experiment where instead of posting something somewhat insightful, my response will just be Richard Lagow for everything.
I think I will get more upvotes.
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I feel like “Dick Lagow” should be worth 2 upvotes each time you did it. Richard needs to go ahead and start going by that name now as it’s inevitabe.
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He doesn’t have to be drafted first 94, just collecting a paycheck.
You have to trade for his rights, of course.
Trade down to 2 and grab Bosa so someone else can take Haskins
Use the extra #1 I acquired in 2020 to move up and take Chase Young.
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I'd take Ed Oliver in all seriousness.
But if I'm forced to stay at #1, I'll take Bosa
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Me too. But because of injury concerns. Bosa has higher ceiling.
Wait what how does injury concerns give bosa a higher ceiling than Oliver?
He's saying Bosa has a higher ceiling if healthy, but because of injury concerns, he'd take Oliver. The injury concerns don't give Bosa a higher ceiling; it makes him riskier and because of that he would give up some upside to go with a possibly safer pick in Oliver.
Dominant interior linemen aren’t as common as edge pass rushers. Oliver is the better talent regardless of injury.
The only knock on Oliver is that he wanted to stay home so we don’t get the same exposure to him as we would from p5 school regarding highlights.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Loga, I live in The Woodlands which is just north of houston and I have watched him play in first 4 games this season. He didn't have a single sack, FF, FR, and only 5 tackles for loss. Granted he is a DT and he does have a good motor, but there were a bunch of plays that he got owned by some very average linemen. He is probably the best DT in the country but after comparing their games this season Bosa is head and shoulders talentwise over Ed.
in 3 halves of football Bosa was what... 4 sacks, 3 FF 2 fumble recoveries 6 tackles for loss and one touchdown in basically one and a half games. The mediocre stats I showed for Oliver were through 4 full games and now he is through 6 games he has 2 sacks and 1 FF.
That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
I'd hire Sashi Brown then trade down for a bunch of 3rd round picks and a first round pick for next year
Isn't this question a lot like Garrett vs. Trubisky?
Will that first round pick next year become Denzel Ward? Can I pick someone other than Peppers? Will one of those third rounders become Larry Ogunjobi? Can I have Brown make the trades and Dorsey pick the players?
You couldn't go wrong with Peppers in that pick.
How can you pass up a DB with 1 whole career INT.
On a tipped ball the nonetheless
To be fair, it was in the very last game he played, so he was really trending up.
Taking people no one else would touch with a ten foot pole with their first round pick. Some call it bold....I call it Browns.
With Haskins, he's going to need a very solid run through the combine and post season/pre-draft stuff to see how he measures against the other QBs available.
Bosa, to me, is much more of a sure bet right away, but I think Haskins as a QB has the most long-term upside.
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Cleveland didn't get any better after Myles Garret did they? How about after Baker Mayfield? I'm taking Haskins. On top of that, I do have some minor concerns about Bosa's durability, as far as the #1 pick with so many other great DL this year. I'd either Haskins at 1 or trade down to 3-5 and get Bosa, basically.
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second. QB is the corner stone of great franchises. I'd take Haskins.
Bosa. This shouldn't even be a consideration because Haskins isn't on the same level as Bosa.
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That's true. Haskins doesn't even have a single sack or TFL this year so far. He should really think about staying another year.
I agree. Until he can prove that he can consistently get into the backfield and blow up plays, he will simply never be in the same conversation as Nick Bosa.
It isn’t that simple. The Raiders have Carr. The Cardinals just drafted Rosen. The 49ers spent a fortune on Garoppolo, the Browns drafted Mayfield, the Bills drafted Allen. The only team with a chance at the top pick that has a glaring need at QB is the Giants and in all honesty I think Herbert will be the first QB off the board.
This is not meant as a slight to either player but i trade the pick.
Only 5 players drafted #1 overall since 1992 have won a super bowl and 2 of them are the Manning brothers and the other is Orlando Pace and only 1 of those is in the last 20 years, Eli who was drafted in 2004 .
in 2 cases the win was not with the team that drafted them or they were a back up, Keyshawn Johnson was drafted by the Jets but won his Super Bowl with the Buccaneers 6 years later and Drew Beldsoe who was behind Brady and didnt really contribute.
In other words the #1 overall pick is generally not worth the cost
Going all the way back to 1975, there have been 44 players have been drafted #1 and only 9 of them have won a super bowl
Seems to be more of an indictment of the teams who get the #1 pick rather than the players selected.
All that says is that a single person cannot single handedly win the SuperBowl. A team that is picking 1st in the draft will most likely have more than 1 issue to fix. Fitting the pieces together is a slow and tedious process that requires many seasons of good drafting and off season trades.
Regardless, SOMEONE still has to be drafted first. Might as well be Bosa or Haskins.
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And hence why i trade the pick, i need more than a QB or DE to make me a team competitive of playing at elite level, trade it away from 1 later first and maybe a 2nd and get 2 very good players to fill needs rather than 1 good one who will tie up so much cap room that it is hard to get better
If you have narrowed it down to Haskins and Bosa because you think they are both that good and worthy of being the #1 pick, you take the QB. If you just have Haskins up there because you need a QB and he seems to be the best one, take Bosa. Don't reach.
Nick Bosa is the best player in the draft regardless of position and it’s not even close. Joey Bosa was also the best player in the draft and he went 3rd. Bottom line if you need a QB, you have to take a QB. The book is still too short to say if Haskins is that type of guy, but if we are projecting forward I would take Haskins at 1 over Bosa.
As big a fan as I am of what the bosa brothers did for OSU I’m taking Oliver first.
Oliver is a disruptive force from the middle that prevent guys like Brady and Haskins from operating at their peaks.
Bosa is a physical freak that won’t need a learning curve when he gets to the next level. Bosa has the technical aspects of playing the position that Oliver is going to have to learn once he gets to the next level. Bosa is as plug and play ready as any player to ever get drafted in the NFL.
Bosa. Because the only thing more in demand than a QB is a guy who can stop a QB.
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Ed Oliver. Because elite D-tackles are harder to find than elite edge rushers.
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This. Also with out the injury history. I don't think you could go wrong with either. I just think Ed will be there every week.
Haskins is not sniffing the top 10 unless something changes. I love Dwayne, but I've yet to see a scout grade him even top 15 and he has been completely left out of more than half of the early 1 round mocks I have seen. Scouts can be off, but rarely are they SUPER off. If I had to bet I would say a late 1st for a team that makes a move, or early 2nd at this point. Now if we go on a playoff run and he beats the brakes off the likes of Michigan, Alabama, etc that could obviously change things for him.
I don't think most mocks consider RS sophomores at this point (until they actually declare).
But I agree he's not likely in the top 10. Herbert and Lock are the first 2 QBs I've seen most people taking.
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I wish I could take credit for that.
Just claim it, man.
But it wasn't all good....he did refer to the "Ohio University Buckeyes" when he did it.
Haskins is getting left out of most mock drafts right now because most like Kiper and McShay don’t have him on the list of potential entrants into the draft. The guy is a for sure a first round pick if he leaves after this year. That’s not a question and Kiper and McShay have said as much.
Sidenote: What's up with the random comments in old forum topics right now? (Not this one obviously)
When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.
Some dude trying to get up to 100 helmet stickers to be able to forum post? Downvoters assemble!
Some dude keeps posting random analysis on the pac-12 in these threads
Herbert is a Top 5-ish QB talent, but Haskins is better,imo-and show some damn loyalty to your program!
Haskins - he takes care of the ball and has incredible accuracy. In the NFL he will not need to run. Bosa is great as well but a good QB will have a greater impact on a team in need than a good DE. QB is the most important position on the team just by virtue of handling the ball on every offensive snap.
I can see compelling arguments for both sides. On the one hand Bosa is more of a proven quantity than Haskins, and there's greater bust potential with QBs than there is for DEs.
On the other hand, based on recent history there's only 1 or 2 actual NFL-quality QBs per draft, and someone like Haskins doesn't come along every year, whereas as good as Bosa is I think there will be a DE at or near his level every year.
If I'm playing it safe, Bosa. If I'm willing to gamble, Haskins.
Defense wins championships and all that, but a defensive end doesn't let you do what Tom Brady let the Patriots do in 2016 against the Falcons.
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If you are a terrible team embarking on a multi-year rebuild, then the best choice is to take Nick Bosa.
1. He is the better player, just look at what his brother his doing in San Diego.
2. You will still suck next year and get to draft a QB (probably Tua) then
You want your team to be ready to help your rookie QB not get destroyed, drafting the QB first is a dumb move in situations like this one.
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I probably would err on taking Bosa. If the team is bad at all positions than taking a talented young QB and getting him killed would crush his confidence outright. If there is a talented WR group but a suspect line maybe I edge towards Haskins...
most of the time it will be Bosa though. Coming off the injury may be the biggest knock but you know he is going to be good at the next level and can be a game changer on the defensive side of the ball.
If I were building than the QB position would be important but getting the defense together and building up the offensive line with some of the skill points would be point one. Then would be getting the QB, the RB could come at either time but there are generally good ones throughout the draft.
Haskins. Hey, my Buckeyes have not fielded Dan Marino passing talent in my lifetime, so I'm biased.
Take Bosa 1, and trade to move up for Burrow?
I'd take Haskins. If you have the #1 pick, you almost certainly need a franchise QB-and Haskins has the best accuracy/arm skills of any QB in quite a while-he is a "safe" QB pick, barring injury,imo. I hope Dwayne enjoys playing for the New York Football Giants!
In the NFL, your team will never be Browns-awful if you have a franchise QB. Not good for a year or two, quite possibly-but quick-fixable. Look at the Falcons or Packers or Steelers-lots of ups and downs, but always in the conversation if the GM does a good job of patching other holes
Beastly DL are great-but they are easier to get than QBs w/ arm skills like Haskins.
I’m going Shea Patterson lol
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If I need a QB more than a DE, I'm taking Haskins. If I already have an established QB, and need a DE, I'm taking Bosa. Need has to come first. Taking a QB is a more risky pick, but a player with a history of injury could possibly be a red flag also. Since Bosa will not play any more college football, he won't be getting any more game reps at top speed to see if he has recovered sufficiently from his injury. That might give scouts, coaches, and GM's something to consider before drafting him.
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If going at 1, most likely has a bad OL. If no Joe Thomas or Orlando Pace available, trade down and take the best lineman
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Half the sacks Bosa gets will probably be personal fouls in today's NFL.
Bosa. Defense wins championships.
Round 1, Pick 1: Nick Bosa
Trade next year’s 1st and 3rd and next year’s 3rd for a mid-1st round pick this year, plus an extra 6th and 7th this year.
Middle of Round 1 (pick just acquired): Dre’Mont Jones
Round 2, Pick 1: Dwayne Haskins
Round 3: Traded away as part of the Jones pick
Round 4, Pick 1: Parris Campbell
Round 5, Pick 1: Mike Weber
Round 6, Pick 1: Isaiah Prince
Middle of Round 6: Demetrius Knox
Round 7, Pick 1: Terry McLaurin
Middle of Round 7: Malcolm Pridgeon
Not Bosa. I would be uncertain of his future with an injury that caused him to abandon his team and his brothers and then used as an excuse to skip the combine.
I have a feeling Nick is not going to be as valuable as Joey in the NFL. In my eyes Nick lacks commitment & has a me first attitude, which can go into other attributes to have a long successful career. Huge fan of Nick, but I would go with Herbert or Haskins or maybe even Oliver. I would want to draft someone I knew would be willing to go all in for his team. Hard to find those kind of guys at the NFL Level, but if you can find leaders like that on the field & off they are invaluable to a GM in building a lasting team of accomplishment.
I think it would depend on two things: How does Haskins finish this year and what team is on the clock. Several teams have learned the hard way that you have to draft a QB when given the chance as there are guarantees as to when you will have the opportunity again. Most teams would go with Bosa as you can never get enough quality pass-rushers (and Bosa is really an every down back which is a bonus).