Skull Session: K.J. Hill and Dre'Mont Jones Lead the Big Ten, Dwanye Haskins Draft Stock, and Gareon Conley Gives Back

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

1 more year! 1 more year! 1 more year! 

Then I remembered Haskins is a redshirt sophomore and I got greedy 

2 more years! 2 more years! 2 more years!

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Buctor's picture

Let's enjoy this year first.  Just like one game at a time, this should be one year at a time.  And while I understand the issues relative to the other young qbs, I am more of a bird in the hand kind of guy.

And like pretty much all decisions, deciding to stay will be influence by a large number of factors.  Let's hope it works out for the best of all involved.

And RER, we only have issues with other folks greed. Besides I am not sure it's greed to want what's best for all!

At least, not if we support whatever decision he ultimately makes!!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Well obviously if his trajectory continues with the rocket that it currently has strapped to it, you can't blame him for forgoing his eligibility and heading to the pros. I'll for sure support that decision...

If he stays? That's having our cake and also eating it.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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brutus0717's picture

That Pete Thamel is one smart dude! Haskins is NOWHERE near ready to go pro!! He needs AT LEAST one more year to hone his skills!!! /S

Class move by Gareon for sure. 

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Extramedium's picture

All kidding aside, it's true.  We're so excited to finally have a QB who's able to take advantage of all our offensive talent and it seems to us like he's ready to start in the NFL.  If he was a running back putting up these kinds of numbers, I'd agree he's ready and should go.  But being an NFL quarterback is an entirely different thing and I don't think anyone is ready after one season as a starter regardless of pure talent. 

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brutus0717's picture

Yeah I was kidding. He is doing a phenomenal job this year, but I'm in the camp that says he would greatly benefit from another year in college.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

I was just wondering if that cat w the Bud Light has any eligibility....put him on the D line. 

"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody

 

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MN Buckeye's picture

No apparent mobility issues there.

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WC Buckeye's picture

Tendency to hold will be a problem, though.

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The Braden's picture

There may be some availability issues as well.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Isn’t that Warren Sapp?

He’d probably still play well.

Memento mori

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Dillon G's picture

Dwayne Haskins makes good decisions.

#walkaway

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ckutasy's picture

*SPOILER ALERT*

Dwayne Haskins is 100% ready for the NFL. He can absolutely throw into tight windows and in the brightest spots (TTUN game last year). Only thing holding him back is the fact that he's only started 7 games, but when you know a kid's got it, you just know. He's got it. 

"Because I couldn't go for three." -- Woody Hayes

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Meek's picture

Right, what film are they watching if they think he can't throw into windows?

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

I was thinking "this scout isn't very good at his job"

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SLVRBLLTS's picture

Must have been a scout for the Buccaneers.

"Because we couldn't go for three"

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Or the Browns prior to the 2018 Draft.

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Buckloving's picture

Watch the Penn State game again

bobbyd

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fear_the_nut70's picture

He isn’t ready, and anyone with a discernible eye can see it.  The biggest knock on him is how he handles pressure- his mechanics break down, and that will kill him at the next level.  My guess is you are another guy that is mesmerized by his strong arm and that is blinding you to the point you can’t see this.  Don’t get me wrong, QB’s are drafted these days on potential, so if he leaves he easily is a first round pick, but mark my words, he leaves after this year, he struggles a lot, at least initially at the next level where regular pressure can be expected

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TigerSweat's picture

He handles pressure just fine as long as there aren't multiple drops to go along with that pressure... Those awful drops were what led to him being rattled that night. Watch it again.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Incorrect.  Rewatch both the TCU game and PSU game and watch specifically for this.  It is obvious (btw: recorded and watched both twice).  It really sticks out. BTW, I am not the only one saying this.  Finally, I said nothing about him being rattled.  I said his mechanics break down when pressured (throwing off back foot the biggest problem).  It is you that needs to watch again.

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dwcbuckeye's picture

Doesn't handle pressure is a extremely weak argument.  He handles pressure as well as any QB given the amount of pressures he has faced.  In HS?  Likely no.  AT OSU, mostly never and probably came up at TCU and PSU.  It is a learning curve and he seems to be better at it now then before which is normal.

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Extramedium's picture

The point is, he needs to learn how to handle pressure before he gets to the NFL.  No one is saying he'll never learn, we're saying he's not there after one season as a starter in college, and hardly anyone ever is.

The track record of first year college starters in the NFL is not good, and it's not because they don't have raw talent or arm strength.  It's because they don't have the experience necessary, and that only comes with reps. 

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Casimir Pulaski's picture

Putting aside the condescension of this post, the argument that his mechanics are not flawless when he has 300-pound guys in his face is rather common, no? You can point out many instances where he has adjusted his "mechanics" to deliver throws in these situations, which requires arm strength. So, it might be that people are not "blinded" by his strong arm, but have seen it be a complete counter-point to yours. And, yes, QB's are drafted on potential. All players are drafted on potential? 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I am assuming the condescension remark was directed at me.  Reread his post above that told me to go watch the game again (not knowing of course that I already have).  Gloves are off at that point.  Not sure how I am supposed to be able to conclusively determine that his being rattled was because receivers dropped the ball (instead of the obvious pass rush in his face).  Just glad that wasn't my "argument."

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Casimir Pulaski's picture

Yes, it was, because you were. 

The larger problem is that you presented such an ambiguous argument that getting to a conclusive end was impossible. What "mechanics" are breaking down? (Is it his throwing motion? Positioning in the pocket? Setting his feet before throwing?) And what result did these breakdowns have that make him unfit for being a top prospect for the NFL? (too many sack? too many INTs? too many errant throws?). I don't think you can back any one of those things up with any substance, as even his results in the PSU game line up almost exactly with some of Sam Darnold's last year. So I disagree with you. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I see what happened, I clarified in the second post that the problem was throwing off the back foot (which was available before you posted this post).  Let me be more specific: rather than planting with his back foot, transferring weight and driving through throws when pressured, he is just throwing it off his back foot.  I have seen this 6 times that I noted in the PSU & TCU games when there was fairly heavy pressure, and it is a concern because it leads to bad habits.

As for it affecting him being a top prospect, you clearly didn't read what I wrote.  The following appears in my original post: 

"Don’t get me wrong, QB’s are drafted these days on potential, so if he leaves he easily is a first round pick."  You are confusing draft potential and where he is selected with how he will perform at the next level (it is the latter which is why I believe he isn't ready).  It is possible I would have a different opinion by season's end after I see more film.

Finally, I find it curious you point out my condescension (telling him to go back and watch the games) when it was the exact comment lobbed at me.  A little consistency would be nice.

Hope that clears up confusion, thanks for the discussion.

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stpetebuck's picture

Every pro qb who is s pocket passer is worse with pressure. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is true.  It isn't that he is "worse," it's that his mechanics break down.  That is the problem.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Casimir Pulaski's picture

But that's the point, it's cause and effect. Pressure causes all QB's mechanics to break down. If those breakdowns result in turnovers and an abundance of missed opportunities, it's a problem -- otherwise it's just what happens. I think you would be hard pressed to provide evidence that he is overly prone to turnovers or bad decisions when under pressure, which when you have a giant arm, is the difference between being ready or not.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

That absolutely isn't true, the best QB's have the same mechanics when pressured.  Only time the good ones alter their mechanics is when there isn't room to follow through.  Watch film on Brady or Rodgers and you will see what I am talking about.  I know these are the best of the best, but it is simply easier to see it with them because of their level of consistency.

I never said anything about being prone to turnovers or bad decisions, seems like you are just writing the response you want to write and not addressing my point.  It is leading to more inaccurate passes when he is pressured.  So we are clear, it IS common for QB's to be more inaccurate when pressured because everything is rushed, but the good ones don't resort to throwing it off their back foot. 

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Extramedium's picture

People are acting like it's a knock on Haskins to say he's not ready for the NFL after 7 starts.  Or might not be after one season.  That's absolutely normal even for the best college QBs of all time, one of which he may be by the end of it.

Even Cam Newton had the benefit of starting two seasons, even though one was at a junior college, it was still an extra season of reps and experience.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I said I thought Haskins would have a great year and he has exceeded my expectations--he might be having the best season of any QB still in the title hunt.

 But the people you are talking about are the ones I call the Haskin's truthers.  They say things like "he is already the greatest Ohio State QB" after 7 games (that really has been said on here).  They have written their own narrative that is only partially rooted in reality in that selective perception doesn't allow for a fair and balanced evaluation.

You are exactly correct about the 1 year starters generally not faring all that well in the NFL.  It would be interesting for these people to come up with a list of those guys that have had good to great careers (minimum 5 year NFL career would be reasonable).  It isn't a huge list.  In fairness, more and more QB's are now only now starting to play this early in college, and so there may not be this huge body of data out there.  But it is common sense that more reps at the next highest level better prepares one for the NFL, and those fighting this so vigorously are assessing with blinders on IMHO.

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steve-OH's picture

Then you remember that Mitch Tribuisky went 2nd in the draft, with only a year as starter. Lol. Dwayne Haskins makes Mitch look like Jimmy Clausen.

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Extramedium's picture

And I'm sure Dwayne would like a better showing in the NFL for his actual career as a quarterback.  Thinking purely about draft pick is extremely short sighted.   And according to more than a few scouts, his draft stock would likey rise after another year as well.

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MN Buckeye's picture

Gareon Conley is a high-character guy, giving back to his community in tangible, sustainable ways. He is a great role model for us all. 

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TMac's picture

Is he wearing a "Best In America" hoodie?

ONE Not Done!

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WC Buckeye's picture

Coined word of the day: fatberg. Eww.

GO BUCKS. BEAT PURDON’T.

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Meek's picture

Dive through 90 feet to take care of that, no thanks. Dig a new tunnel or invent a giant drain snake.

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sawesome's picture

Worst part was that they had to remove the clog with their bare hands.

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MOBUCKK91's picture

I'm in the insurance world for municipalities - the term "fatberg" has been around for a few years (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatberg) as London and other larger cities have had tremendous sewer issues over the years.  It is extremely gross what people do or don't do through their personal sewers.

You don't know what you have until it's gone .... for example, toilet paper.

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WC Buckeye's picture

I have read plenty of stories like this one where listings of all manner of the bizarre items people flush were made. It was several years ago, likely before the term was in broad use, but it sure fits. Thanks for the additional illumination. 

Glad it's someone else's job and not mine. 

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WezBuck28's picture

"Look, if they don't think he's ready, I'll gladly keep him for one more year."

Might as well kiss Tate goodbye cause he ain't sticking around if he ain't starring IMO..

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Won’t he quite possibly sit, even if he transfers.

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allinosu's picture

I agree 28. There was a lot of promises and statements reported on here about Tate too good not to see the field. As I recall there was going to be packages in certain situations. We have heard these things before. It appears the same is happening here even though we struggle in short yardage situations and are looking for answers. Like I said before, It's not hard to imagine that Tate is unhappy about just watching. Whether he sits here or out a year would make no difference.

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erniefurgler's picture

Although i agree, to be fair, a couple game have been closer than we'd like & i don't think Meyer was expecting 72+% completion from Haskins.  The O isn't struggling because of QB play.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Any reported promises seemed to be stated by Martell, which you’d expect, but then it seems some took it and ran with the narrative.  (Most) likely any Coaches’ statements were coachspeak.

Personally I’m enjoying the Haskins led QB play too much to fret over Martell sitting and/or his angst about sitting.  In reality, he’s sat less than Haskins and/or Burrow.  I don’t recall those guys getting any play on with the first team early in the first half as Martell has done, and/or playing early second half in blowouts.

Seems Martell needs to keep grinding and trust the process as others have done! 

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Bucktown 5.7x28's picture

Does Martell see the field in the last four games of the season? Or does he not fit that redshirt category? Honestly don’t know his status and pressed for time, and couldn’t google. Thanks 

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BbBnD's picture

He redshirted last year 

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erniefurgler's picture

And you wanted to minimize the potential for both Qb's getting hurt.  Don't think we're gonna catch lightning in a bottle twice with a 3rd string QB

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allinosu's picture

To be clear I'm not saying he be given drives like he did early on but there are situations like 3rd or 4th and short and along with inside the 10 where his talent can be utilized. He throws well enough to be a threat and his quickness keeps defenses from over playing our RBs.

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Yoda888's picture

Here's hoping that Haskins doesn't NEED and/or isn't made to feel that he needs to get that big NFL contract....in the very short term.  he's a pocket passer, as long as there's decent protection, his risk of injuries is slightly less than other skill positions.

No one's going to ever question who's got more skills and more naturally gifted, Robert Griffin III or Tom Brady...Brady's been in the NFL for over 15 years and is a first-ballot hall of famer, if not the GOAT at his position.  RGIII?  well, we all know what happened....longevity and letting your linemen do their job and protect you is the open secret, isn't it?.

What's the point of running for a few extra hundred (or thousand) yards when it puts your entire career and long-term health at risk?  That's why there are RBs and WRs, specialists who do their thing....so a QB can do his, which is to throw the ball.  If you're going to be graded and drafted as a dual-threat QB, you should demand 1.5x - 2.0x the salary of a normal QB.  Because you are certainly taking at least that much more risks to your health and career...this is another open secret that no one really talks about.  why is that?s  I mean, by definition, doesn't "dual" threat means you bring "two" types of weapons and capabilities to the table?  so why are you getting paid like a "normal" QB?

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MichiBuck12's picture

I don't see any scenario where Haskins stays for another year. I would love it if he did. But I just don't see it happening. Quarterback draft stock is affected by pro days and pre draft workouts more than any other position. He will not be the 4th best prospect by the time the draft roles around. He has all the measurables the NFL looks for, plus a big arm, quick release, and can read coverages. Mitch Trubisky only started for one year in college, and it wasn't even for a good team and he still went number 2 overall. In my opinion, Haskins leaves and is one of the first two quarterbacks off the board.

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mtrotb's picture

Plus very weak QB class this year as far as draft eligible.  

mtrotb

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Also depends on who’s picking at the top of the draft and/or who has the assets to move up.  It’s not like 4 or 5 QBs taken in the top 10 is out of the question.  

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blueblazer22's picture

I was listening to on either of the Sirius shows yesterday and they were talking about his this looks to be one of the weakest qb classes in ages, considering the upperclassmen. When you look and play as Haskins does, and there are few other prospects at the position, I don't see why he wouldn't go. If this was the class of 1983 maybe he has reasons to stay, but 2019 will not be much at signal caller so keep up the good work and take your shot. 

As for Trubisky, I still don't get why he went #2. I watch him here in Chicago and he has some skills, but I don't see an all time great out there. It is early, but we shall see. I would take Haskins over Mitchell right now methinks. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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MichiBuck12's picture

I'm in a group text with some guys in my fantasy football league and one of them is a die hard Bears fan. Watching him lose his shit that night was hilarious. Mostly because draft day is usually a day the group chat is dedicated to making fun of me, the lone Browns fan. I got a free pass that year. I agree with you, I think Trubisky is a good QB, but I don't think he's great. I definitely think taking him at 2 was way too high.

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blueblazer22's picture

I am one of only two non-Bears fans in my league, so it is like shooting fish in a barrel for me to make fun of them.  Trubisky is better than they have had in awhile, so that alone may be enough for Bears fans to get excited about. Packer fans like me have been spoiled to have Brett and Aaron for the past two decades while the Bears go through as many qb's as the Browns with little more success. Not a shot at Cleveland-my wife is a Browns fan who still wears her Tim Couch jersey. (Full disclosure-I really thought he was going to be a good one). 

A good Trubisky is much better than having a bunch of other guys who are currently pretending to be NFL qb's these days, but I would still take Haskins over Mitch (and plenty of others as well). If he comes back wonderful, but if not then he is destined to move on and I will wish Dwayne well. He will have to battle Joe Burreaux on Sundays then

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Bucktown 5.7x28's picture

Tim Couch was cursed with a horrible O-line, a substandard receiving corps and no running game. He had moments of very good football, and he was more mobile than people gave him credit for. But he was doomed in a shitty organization. Think about this- 20 years later and the Br0wns finally get a decent draft grade. That’s beyond reprehensible for a professional sports franchise. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I agreed with everything you said till you said he can read coverages.  I am not so sure—seen him lock onto one guy to many times this year.  Not saying he can’t do it (and will admit there is only so much you can see on tv), just saying I am not so sure how many times he has really worked through his progressions.  Agree with everything else you said 

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hetuck's picture

1. Hoping Ryan Day and Brian Hartline become inveterate OSU coaches. 

2. I remember when Chis Carter was let go for "only catching touchdowns." I hope Conley gets a similar second chance. Saints, are you listening?

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I’d never heard that said about Carter, Hetuck.  Did that really happen and which Team made that decision and admitted it.

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dan_isaacs's picture

Buddy Ryan said it when Cris played for the Iggles.

(but the real reason was his drug and alcohol abuse)

Dan Isaacs

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hetuck's picture

Thanks for the assist. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

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Hovenaut's picture

Without making light of the death of the 16 yo boy, today's wmd lineup has to be one of the weirdest I can recall.

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blueblazer22's picture

Yeah, I just finished the South African one. The fellas were teaching the kid a lesson by tossing him out of a moving vehicle? For stealing the heads off of sunflowers? Man that is a tough area it seems. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Speaking of odd WMDs, did anyone else read the one about the grandparent's ashes baked into the cookies and not wonder if it was an English assignment gone awry?

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swainpm's picture

I honestly agree with the scouts. My current feeling is that Haskins is not ready, although he still may become ready IMO over the next several games. Physically everything is there, I just don't trust that he is ready to mentally play when under pressure in the pocket. The game against PSU made him look a bit frozen and checked out at times bc he had to make quick decisions or get dumped. Yes, he ended up hitting a few screen passes that ultimately won the game, but one or two of those passes looked awfully lucky to me (and his eyes told a similar story). Not to mention, he dissapeared for most of that game. He needs to play a few more games against teams that pressure him in the pocket to convince me he is truly there (I would want to see that if investing millions). Sure he will get drafted if he goes pro, but my current thought is he could be a NFL great with one more year of experience against premier competition. I hope he proves me wrong and looks great against MSU & Michigan - but right now I'd be worried to play Clemson/Bama bc of pass rushers.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I’ve read elsewhere that the potential NFL Lockout might be a consideration for Haskins in making a decision, considering no one knows what the next CBA will look like.  An angle some might not have considered.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

How were the screen passes against PSU lucky? The two screens to Dobbins were very well delivered. On the game winning screen to K.J. Hill, it looked like Haskins had to throw it a bit side-handed to barely get it around the defender that rushed the lane, but that wasn’t luck!

Maybr you are referring to the throw to Victor? That was fortunate.

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TheBadOwl's picture

Screen pass accuracy is not (and shouldn't be) a difference-making criteria for NFL scouts evaluating quarterbacks in college.

In the NFL, all quarterbacks (even Nathan Peterman) can throw screens accurately. The talent advantage that has led to Ohio State getting huge YAC on those screens will be negated in the NFL.

Haskins has a long way to go in terms of dealing with pressure and making pre-snap adjustments/reads. I think he's going into the draft regardless, but his best situation would be somewhere that will let him sit for a year (say, New Orleans or New England) and then give him the reins. His mechanics break down when he's under pressure and he's not great at improvising when plays break down. Look at Aaron Rodgers – he's got a ridiculous arm and is fairly mobile, but what really sets him apart is his pre-snap reads and his ability to improvise when plays break down. It's not all about arm talent anymore. 

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osu78's picture

“America has only three cities,” Tennessee Williams purportedly said. “New York, San Francisco, and New Orleans. Everywhere else is Cleveland.”

with better football teams...

TTUN fans are inveterate believers in September Heismans and "this is our year..."

I think Haskins will remove any doubt about his ability to play in the NFL as the season progresses and the overall team play improves. I can't see him deciding to stay.

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Zimmy07's picture

Is Gruden gone yet?

http://isgrudengoneyet.com/

5 cases of beer = 90 lbs.  I wonder if he put that down on his workout app?

Craig, what you doing stealin boxes?  You trying to build a clubhouse or something?

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Anyone else see that picture of the beer theif and think he looks like warren sapp?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Exactly! That was my very first reaction. He’s Sapp’s Dilly Dally doppelgänger!

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Tater_Schroeder's picture

Someone really doesn't like Gruden.

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FatChaddie's picture

They ain't got me on tape!

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Hondo's picture

My real time text to a buddy of mine during Minny game:

“Buckeyes got lucky as hell there. Weber was short of the first down. The mark was a gift.”

The Browns are the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Haskins and Bosa going to be drafted 1st and 2nd this year.

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TMac's picture

Because this was a fantastic play from and OSU/MSU perspective. 3 years ago yesterday, hopefully more fun like this on Saturday in thier noon banger. 

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cledaybuck's picture

Woah, he has trouble with the snap.

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mrspray's picture

While I certainly enjoy watching that, I'm reminded that if MSU doesn't win that and the rest of the games in the B1G play out like they did, that 2015 OSU team goes to the B1G championship and probably the playoffs... 

In case you're curious, it's Mr. Spray

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

This is true Mrspray.  I remember the hooting and down right jubilation over Michigan’s loss, ONLY for it to come back and bite OSU in the ass with the MSU lost.

I’m sorry, I’ve always found that to be comedically ironic.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I cant eat breakfast now after reading about the fatberg.

"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Woody trolling the SEC.

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NHBuckeye's picture

I knew that would be gross so I chose not to read it.  I'll be enjoying a nice breakfast momentarily.  

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SantaBarbaraBuck's picture

Good ol’ Dwanye West...

"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
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iowabuckeyes's picture

Right: who’s DWANYE HASKINS?

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JTstan16's picture

Haskins staying would clog up the QB room. We get it, he can pass. Now go break all the records, win the heisman & get paid. Tate brings a level of excitement I haven’t felt since the Braxton days. It’ll be his job in ‘19 & hopefully ‘20. #MakeOhioState’sQBFunAgain 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Man, you are a JT fan to a literal T, aren’t you? I love the guy, too, but not to the point of disparaging his successor, even when you try to do it subtly. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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JTstan16's picture

This is college football. Nothing screams fun about standing in the pocket all day and making throws TO ME. Especially when we don’t have a run game & cant block upfront. 

Just look at Patrick Mahomes, that’s the type of QB that’s tailor made for this offense. There is nothing personal I have against Dwayne like A LOT of y’all do with JT. I wouldn’t wish bad on our starting QB, y’all did. Next.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

1) Easy, killer. I’m not one of “y’all” so go light with the broad strokes. I never have and I never will apologize for what JT did.

2) I was also firmly rooted in Joe Burrow’s corner simply because I wanted him to have a fair chance to win the job and because an open competition would have been in the best interests of the team. I never once said anything derogatory about Haskins but once Burrow announced he was leaving, I said Haskins is my quarterback and I haven’t wavered. I’d be willing to bet you’ve never said that.

3) Would I like to see Tate play? Hell, yeah. Who wouldn’t besides apparently Urban Meyer? Because for one thing, if Haskins does leave, game experience will be invaluable. And his skill set brings a great change of pace to keep defenses off guard.

4) Pick your poison: Haskins is a better passer than Martell, who’s a better runner. Neither is perfect but the simple fact is we’re 7-0 and there’s no guarantee we would be if Tate was the starter. If you were an Alabama fan you’d probably be one of the few grousing that Hurts should start over Tua. Why can’t you just enjoy the ride?

5) BTW, if you haven’t seen it, there’s a 2019 thread in the forum—it's the perfect place for your #hottates.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Triv's picture

I'm a bit confused here... is this sarcasm? Are you actually complaining that Haskins is TOO GOOD of a passer and makes college football not fun for you? I loved JT Barrett, but to deny that this offense is not more explosive than it was with Barrett at the helm is a hell of a hot take.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Personally I love this offense right now; the Run game may be lacking, but I’m hopeful the Run game will come around when needed.

Even if Haskins is around just this year, and it’s an aberration with this style of QB play, I’ve definitely sat through enough QB runs in previous years, that THIS year with Haskins has been just delightful.

All throws are possible, are live as the WRs would say!

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MichiBuck12's picture

There is nothing personal I have against Dwayne like A LOT of y’all do with JT.

This is called a straw man. Literally nobody on this site had any personal disdain for JT Barrett. You have spent this entire season so far arguing a point that nobody made. You argued all summer that Haskins wasn't going to be as good as expected, and you have been proven laughably wrong. Now you're just a troll.

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Sanantonefan's picture

I didn't realize it was about viewers having fun. I thought it was about the team winning games. The coaching staff thinks Haskins gives us the best shot to do that--albeit in a different way than we are used to.

The run game and blocking up front are issues the coaching staff has to deal with. I'd love to see Martell get in, if it gives us the best chance to win. Do you think he will solve the run game/blocking issues? Possibly he will by giving that extra threat, but I will have fun watching this team play no matter who is QB.

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Apparently the rule is no team in college football can run the ball unless the QB is a great running threat.  No team has ever been able to run the ball with a pass-first QB, no team can do it, and no team will ever be able to it.

I didn't know that was a fact until I started reading 2018 Ohio State blog articles but apparently it's as true a fact as that the sky is blue.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Damn, that salt watching possibly the most elite passing season ever by an OSU QB. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

Its sad isn't it? He would rather be right than watch greatness.

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TigerSweat's picture

He's trying to make us believe that he would rather see the Q run 30 times per game over what Haskins is doing. I guess it's possible but it's sad.

Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0

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aboynamedtracy's picture

The QB room was very recently 'clogged' for a long time by someone less talented, but by all means wish away the guy with the goods.

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Tater_Schroeder's picture

I haven't paid much attention to what the 11W commentariat thinks of PJ Fleck but I like the guy. Not sure yet what kind of ball coach he'll be in the long term, but he's the type of guy I wouldn't mind having a drink with. That's how I measure a man, most often.

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TigerSweat's picture

Well, yeah! Who wouldn't want to have a drink with Lou from Hot Tub Time Machine?

Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0

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TheBadOwl's picture

He's corny as hell but in a likable way.

This will sound blasphemous but to me he is an exact cross between Kerry Coombs and Jim Harbaugh. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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c11058's picture

Agree on PJ Fleck.  He's one of those coaches who's worked his way up to the big leagues and players buy into his system.  

Regarding the league apology to him for the questionable spot; As a head coach, he has the right to call a time out and demand a measurement.  PJ didn't do that and Minny shouldn't be pinning all of the blame on the officials.

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NOBLUE's picture

my other favorite team this weekend..GO MICHIGAN STATE !!

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kmp10's picture

Good for Conley. And he should be happy that he's fallen out of favor with that screwball, Jon Gruden. That guy... I never could understand what the NFL saw in him and his mediocre career. In addition, he's just freaking weird... a caricature of a football coach. Like Mack, I hope Conley goes elsewhere and kills it, making Gruden look even dumber than he is. He trades the best pass rusher in football in Khalil Mack and then he complains, after another loss, that they need more pressure on the quarterback. Holy cow, what an idiot. Run away while you have the chance, Gareon 

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Buckeyeball043's picture

Broncos Peyton Manning's mobility

ouch.

"I am El Guapo...the handsome one."

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aboynamedtracy's picture

I think he's Leftwich-esque in mobility.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Which is soothed by the Colts’ Manning bank account!

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cledaybuck's picture

Better than Bernie Kosar mobility.

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IGotAWoody's picture

I loved on the most recent Roast on Comedy Central - they roasted Rob Lowe - there was a comedian that killed it. Here's her bit on Peyton...

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Seattle Linga's picture

Mike Conley still impressive as ever

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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Bucktown 5.7x28's picture

Which Conley had more impact on Buckeye nation... Mike or Gareon? 

You can judge a civilization or lack thereof, by the way mankind treats the wildlife Ghandi

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fishleehooker's picture

That guy stealing 5 cases looks unblockable. Get him a scholly!

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Enjoy Haskins while we can, he be gone at the end of this season.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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Dstacify's picture

I feel bad for Gareon. He deserves better than the Raiders at this point. He's far from the only player on that team that Gruden has shit on this season. Gruden just doesn't view the current Raiders as "his" team tbh since most of them were drafted by Reggie McKenzie and Conley falls into that category.

11 Strong.

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CowCat's picture

All that effort for five cases of ... Bud Light?

C'mon man, steal the good stuff if you're willing to risk imprisonment.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Sanantonefan's picture

Exactly--I logged on to say the same thing. Bud Light is not worth it. HAHA

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TigerSweat's picture

I agree. Original Budweiser would have been a far better choice. Light is just terrible. Most craft beer is only offered in bottles and that would have added too much bulk to carry, so Bud it is (I supposed he could have went with SN Pale Ale as it is offered in cases of cans)

Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0

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BiznessTime's picture

“He’s got a ways to go,” one scout told Yahoo Sports. “Throwing into tight windows and ball placement. He’s not there yet.”

Huh? How can you possibly come to this conclusion after watching him this year? He's excelled in both areas. Sure he has stuff to work on, but those two things are like a solid A right now. Hearing some of the scouts makes it easy to see why there are so many evaluation miscues in the draft...

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MichiBuck12's picture

Thats also why the quarterback rankings change a ton between the end of the season and the draft. Scouts are telling coaches right now that he needs work on throwing into tight windows and ball placement. Then the season will end and he will work out live for the actual coaches who are going to see that he actually excels in those areas and he will shoot up draft boards. 

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mrspray's picture

I don't feel too terrible for the response Minnesota got for the refs not measuring, considering it was the same response they gave Urban last year when Denzel Ward was EJECTED from the game...

In case you're curious, it's Mr. Spray

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BiggHoww's picture

Dilly Dilly!

The ugly truth is often downvoted

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Cybjulie's picture

Aren’t several of the receivers leaving this year, Campbell, Hill, Dixon, etc... Will that play into Dwayne’s decision to leave or stay?? I love watching those long touchdown passes, thrilling to be in the stadium watching those play out. 

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Cybjulie's picture

Aren’t several of the receivers leaving this year, Campbell, Hill, Dixon, etc... Will that play into Dwayne’s decision to leave or stay?? I love watching those long touchdown passes, thrilling to be in the stadium watching those play out. 

Cybjulie

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