Harrison is an absolute beast - he needs to pull the trigger and bring all of our anxiety levels down a notch or five.
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
I despise everything about TTUN (hatred has grown deeper in my adult years due to the arrogance of the alumni). That said, (typing through gritted teeth) their defense is pretty spectacular and seemingly continues to improve with each passing week. I would imagine the disparity in the development between our guys and theirs is pretty apparent while he's watching from the sidelines. I hope he picks the right guys, but the decision has to be extremely difficult.
Michigan hasnt beat anybody. Wisconsin can only run the ball and honestly was overrated at the beginning on the season. Zach will make his decision when he is ready. I'm still thinking Ohio state. If not then we are still set with Young and co. All back next year.
I am still unsure whether Michigan has beat anybody. That is to say, I don't know how good Wisconsin is. We will know a lot more this Saturday. MSU ALWAYS is up for this game, and has had Michigan's number since Dantonio has been their coach. If Michigan smashes MSU, and then does the same against PSU in a couple weeks, they will be 10 - 1 when they face TOSU. So far, I have consistently said Harrison eventually pulls the trigger for TOSU. Now, I am less sure. If Michigan actually beats TOSU in Columbus (extremely unlikely) that could be the nail in the coffin, and solidify Harrison's commitment.
But seriously, I think Keegan is more important to Michigan, and I think he is more likely to commit to the Wolverines.
Harrison could go to TTUN and become another Rashan Gary. By the way...is anyone really talking that much about him anymore???
Gary is pretty good - I think he was hurt last game, but he's definitely causing havoc and hasn't disappeared like a kareem walker.
Gary is clearly injured. It affected him last year, and this year, he has not played for a couple games. It appears to be a nagging injury that you can play through, but not at 100%. I think he is going to be held out until he is fully healthy. I also am wondering if he might come back next year, or if he just goes to the NFL. For Bosa, it was a no-brainer, because he is slated to go first in the draft, or at worst, in the top 3. For Gary, if his draft stock has fallen significantly, it could make sense to return. And if that is the case, I'm sure they would tell him to rest completely until he is better.
When Gary was playing, he would get double and triple teamed, freeing up Winovich. He is clearly missed. His problems were injury related and nothing else.
Fair enough. I am glad we dont play UM this week. Long way to go before the game.
I personally don't think Harrison's decision will have anything to do with the game this year, who wins or loses, etc. It will come down to many of the same factors he's been weighing, does he want to get out of the area, where is he more comfortable, will his family influence his decision, etc. He knows both teams give him a great chance to compete at the highest level. For the record, my instincts say he prefers and ultimately goes to Michigan(I hope I'm wrong), but again, I don't think the game will make a difference either way.
I disagree when it comes to developing talent, particularly at his position. In the last three drafts, all of our starting DEs that have declared have been drafted, including the 3rd overall pick and now Nick is projected to go in the top 3 as well and Chase Young is a projected Top 10 pick next year. Can't really develop them better than that.
You've got barbecue back there?
I'll take our draft classes over their draft classes too. We've developed and produced. Hopefully that is what Zach sees... rather that what his eyes tell him this year.
Look at Gary's lack of production at DE for them....Winovich is balling but Gary has very much underwhelmed for them IMHO. Why you might ask? Their scheme is to blitz linebackers and the Viper, occasionally a safety. What DE would want to play in their system when they will never be a feature nor a key component of the defense. I think Harrison pick OSU. He'll likely be in attendance for the UM game and, likely another Buckeye win over the Wolverines.
Get dumped then
Both Bosa's and the Clowney's and Other DE stidy of the past have all.olayed injured and double and triple teamed and still produced All-American numbers. Not trying to be argumentative by any means. Live in AA, your points are ones I often here, yet a of these guys still produced despite extra attention, nagging injuries, and the like.
ButNutChicago, I have no idea where you came to that conclusion. No doubt Michigan looks like the superior defense, but to imply they are developing players and OSU isn't? Give me a break. First off, the OSU D-line has been far from their issue in recent memory. Second, the results of OSU players being developed and blossoming in the NFL is unmistakable. Now Harrison may look at the Michigan defense right now and prefer their scheme, or see they are playing at a higher level at the moment as a whole, but to say he will be developed better than at OSU under LJ is absurd IMO.
Losing Harrison is not crippling by any means, but losing an elite recruit from literally your own backyard to your rival is going to sting.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
signed Charles Woodson and Curtis (the @#$%!) Enis...
16-2 is SWEET!
Seconded - Ki-Jana Carter
It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.
Enis and Woodson were both from NW Ohio...a lot of UM fans up there. Losing someone like Harrison would sting a lot more, imo.
Ann Arbor is closer to Toledo than Columbus
Enis was due west of Columbus. Right at Indiana border on route 70.
I'm a lttle confused. Curtis Enis and Ki-Jana Carter both went to Penn State and yet this exchange seems to be about Michigan's shistory of luring Ohioans to Ann Arbor.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Yep, and two years in a row the #1 player in Ohio going elsewhere. It is not a good trend. Michigan is on the rise I fear and may very soon be the big dog in the East
Once is an accident. Twice is a coincidence. Three times is a pattern.
Even if Harrison goes elsewhere, we've already got a commitment for 2020's #1 Ohio recruit: Paris Johnson, Jr., which means you can rest easy.
Well that article was not very encouraging.
This is one of those times when you look at the editorial calendar and say, "Maybe we should wait."
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Losing Bosa is going to make losing Harrison even worse.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Bosa was already gone after this year, they were never going to suit up together.
Wasnt talking about that. Was more talking about the sting of it all.
Yea this article kind of bummed me out but i have faith in UFM to get some key pieces on board.
Not real confident in Harrison picking Ohio State. If I were a betting man I would say he heads North.
Harrison wearing that *ichigan swag makes me want to puke!
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
I'll second that notion MH!!
"Defiance in Silence"
It’s gonna suck losing Harrison. However, the kid has been a class act during the process and I hope OSU fans remember that.
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Unfortunately (regardless of the decision) Twitter will blow up with angry/hostile tweets.
Not exactly overflowing with optimism BUT if you're here @ 11W then you know that recruiting is all about momentum.
tOSU is slowly picking up steam after a long and treacherous off-season and none of these prospects have signed anywhere at this point so it's just a check of where things are currently. In no way is this an indication of where things will end so let's put our minds on the game at Purdue this Saturday evening and know that UFM and his staff are working tirelessly to secure commitments from the commits that will be the best fit in Columbus.
Like the format of the article specifically the "Outlook" part. It is a little concerning that 6 players are featured and maybe 3 have the Outlook of being Buckeyes. Putting that into context and needing 8 to 10 players to fill the class, what big talent remains. And I realize the sky is not falling.
I agree and also appreciate Andrew's hard work and truthful insight. I'd rather know the truth at the onset than have someone blow smoke up my butt. Thanks Andrew, great work and also great layout.
I would agree there are some concerns right now. Recruiting is in a weird place and honestly I can't pinpoint exactly what the reason is. Harrison is just a different type of kid so maybe we can chalk that one up to him more so than OSU. Besides that I'm not sure what the deal is for the 2019 class.
Hey, if it happens, I look at it as a tradeoff for Jordan. He's from about 15 miles from Ann Arbor.
Not sure what is up with this year. Is this class going to finish around 20 at the most right now?
I'll be shocked if Harrison goes to OSU. Recruiting is about relationships and his seem to be with Michigan's class.
ReAllY dOeSn'T mAttER siNcE he MaiLEd it in aGainSt WeSteRviLle cEntrAl.
Get to the CFP and things will be more clear for the recruits.
I admit we haven't looked at all like a championship team but hoping that changes and soon
Not sure why OHIO STATE seems likely to 'take' Wandale Robinson? Great stats and all, but we already have that player (DeMario McCall), and 3 years in he has barely made a dent. Just sayin'...
Losing Harrison to anyone, esp. tsun would suck, but OHIO STATE would survive. Meyer always seems to have a backup plan...
Give me Bell and Milton Wright at WR; Keegan and D. Wright at OT; Elam at CB; and Cain at RB...
I think McCall's problem is he has issues holding onto the ball (as we saw earlier in the season at returning punts). I think Ryan Day may envision Robinson as another Rondale Moore/Curtis Samuel hybrid.
I like the Curtis Samuel comparison, but Robinson is probably 15-20# lighter than Samuels...
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have him, but...
He'll add weight once he's in the dojo.
Are there are any other top targets Ohio State is looking towards offering and/or building a bigger relationship? The article says there is room for about 8-10 more guys, but only a couple of OSU's top targets are actually favored to pick the Buckeyes. Will they have to settle with lower touted guys at the end of the year, or are there some NPF surprises we should expect?
This is definitely where I parked my car.
always expect surprises... we have UFM on our side.
So... we're only taking 17-18 this round lol?
I wish the real world would just stop hassling me...
I hope Battle stays.. geesh. Harrison is still trying to decide, have always thought he comes here in the end but am now thinking this week its truly 50/50. He was just on campus not long ago.
The class most likely will fill up with lower ranked players. This will most likely be a low rated class. Got to think the Zach Smith headache is affecting recruiting as a whole. I have mentioned here before that recruiting may take a hit. But all I hear is a faithful confidence in Urban. At some point the shine wears off. I'm losing faith in Urban with his coaching hires. This has got to be the worst coaching staff in quite some time. His loyalty hasn't lead to well coached teams. His stubbornness to make big changes doesn't help making this team a top notch team.
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Urban’s headache is not helping either. May be adding doubt with some recruits.
wow, the pessimism is growing. Still 7 weeks or so before the first signing. However, there may be two reasons for doubt among the recruits: negative recruiting first on what transpired before the season started and second the talk of which assistants will be gone taking head coaching positions elsewhere. Good lord, we have three maybe four assistants who could be gone before the playoffs even begin. There is always firing and hiring that takes place in mid December. Got a feeling this year many recruits may wait till the Feb signing period.
Of the coaching staff, who do you think goes to a head coaching position elsewhere, and who gets a "firm handshake" goodbye?
I do not think any coach will be let go, but at least four: Day, Wilson, Schiano and Studwara could be seeing some interest from other schools for HC positions. All have put in their two year commitment.
Sorry, but not a very optimistic story.
I believe Harrison is gone to Michigan and just wants to wait to eliminate as much backlash as he can which I don’t blame him for. Just seems to me that we don’t have the relationships this year or the relationships we might have had at one time have been tarnished. I’m not very optimistic at the way this class finishes either, hope im wrong though.
This class Pre Z. Smith was very promising. Now if you have followed closely lot of offers going out and not sure they are back up plans like we get told on these sites. Just a hunch but I feel something is going on we don't know about. The recruits have been fed something from the likes of other coach's I feel. One or two drifting away is one thing but it seems they all are moving on. Still say Urban has a health issue and maybe his last year.
Just a hunch but I feel something is going on we don't know about. The recruits have been fed something from the likes of other coach's I feel.
I'd love to hear more about your "hunch." From what several recruits have said, neither Meyer nor Harbaugh do negative recruiting. They don't need to.
One or two drifting away is one thing but it seems they all are moving on.
So far, TOSU has only lost two guys, and one of those, the RB from IN, chose to stay close to home. Can't ever blame a player for that.
Still, you can't have a top 5 class year in and year out. I do think the Zach Smith thing has hurt you guys a bit.
BLU it's a feeling I get when I read the boards. I never said anything about what players are saying but something isn't right in my eyes between recruiting and the way this team is playing. Alabama has a top class every year so yes you can. I have been following recruiting since 1961 or so no internet back then but other rags they had back in the day and news letters.
According to Kurelic, Noah Cain is in daily contact with Alford and Meyer and is working on setting up a visit. His mid-season highlights are posted on the article. I couldn't help but be struck by the size of his OL so I looked them up on the roster posted on MaxPreps. As befits a program with mercenary talent, half of them aren't listed, but of those that are, one of them, 5-star senior Evan Neal, is 6-8/363. According to Rivals, they have 21 seniors with offers to P5 teams, including three 5-stars and eight 4-stars. With that kind of talent, IMG's senior class would probably be a Top 5 recruiting class all by itself.
Harrison is only one player. OSU will survive.........
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Loss of Harrison will hurt. We can’t and don’t always get all the top players out of Ohio, but most of what we have missed on it was at a position where we had another target just as highly regarded. Or it was someone who grew up without much contact with OSU football. Harrison lives 20 minutes from campus and I don’t think we have another target at his position near as good. It would be a big loss.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Where did Harrison grow up? How long has he lived in Columbus? I completely get that for kids who grew up in Columbus their whole lives, and kids who are legacy recruits, with Dad playing for TOSU, they are strongly "encouraged" to go to TOSU. (I think I recall a few guys saying their sons could go anywhere . . . except UofM!!)
Regardless, I don't get the feel that Harrison has that life long love of the Buckeyes. Personally, I found it fascinating that he thought the programs were pretty similar . . . facilities were both good, academics both good, head coaches both good, defensive coordinators both good, position coaches both good. I think there are more similarities than differences, although obviously you can find a difference if you want to.
But yes, loss of Harrison to Michigan (or to PSU for that matter) would hurt TOSU. And would be a real coup for the other program.
Honestly, don't put all the eggs in Harrison's basket. He could turn out to be another Carman. It's not that Harrison wants to look around, take the trips, but SCUM. How can an Ohio boy, a sure fire starter at TOSU, not jump at that opportunity. I don't understand that, and obviously Harrison doesn't GET IT if he's considering SCUM. That attitude worries me. So I say keep looking. Put the offers out there and first come first serve. SCUM has a verbal from 5* SDE Hinton, go back after him hard. And Zack Pickens is another 5* SDE with a verbal to SC. He's a SC kid, but that team is going nowhere and might jump at an offer from TOSU. We need a DE so I would explore all options and if Harrison commits to the good guys, that's one more DE we have.