Eww. I hope Sparty knocks them down a few pegs and back for where they belong.
Fields of Dreams
Versus Michigan State in East Lansing will be the real test. If Michigan wins that game, I will definitely be concerned. Especially if our Buckeyes continue to exhibit the same problems that have plagued them all year.
"Because I couldn't go for 3."
"Versus Michigan State in East Lansing will be the real test"
That's what most of us said about the Wisconsin game. Color me concerned.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
wisconsin also lost, AT HOME, to BYU.
Michigan has been much better playing at home under Harbaugh. They have been much worse playing on the road.
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
I get it. But Michigan has never been able to win the big game on the road. If they do win in East Lansing..... yikes
They played great at home against a Badger team that ain't what people thought they were.
Not underestimating, but not calling them world-beaters yet either.
Go win in EL, and then when Penn State comes to town (11/3), then let's talk.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
_ichigan has been gawd-awful on the road this year (Northwestern, anyone?). And consecutive home losses ain't gonna sit well with PSU. The Fighting Franklin's will roll into A² with a healthy dose of bad intention.
"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."
Just call a spade a spade. No one will believe Michigan is a threat until after it wins The Game. All anyone is doing at this point is kicking the can down the road. First UW, then MSU, then PSU... what then? Rutger? It always has been, and always will be, OSU.
I think they whup Sparty and lose to the Fighting Franklins.
"You're welcome for the house I built."
A 3rd loss in the East alone surely wouldn't sit well with McSorley, I'm sure.
There's no way they'll whoop Sparty. If they win, it'll be in a nail-biter.
Don Brown must've attended night school, because he got owned by Day.
Could it be possible that Wisky is a good team but scum is just better?
not from what i've seen
No. Not possible. They're terrible- super terrible- in the secondary. Their O is a one trick pony. When the pony protectors got tired they collapsed.
Not this time. UW is lucky to have 2 losses.
The Ohio State University
University of Minnesota
While another team may put scUM in their 'proper' place, I suspect that they are becoming a legit football power and potential threat come November. Earlier in the year, I would of assumed the Silver Bullets would totally throttle their anemic offense; not so, now. I also would have assumed our 1-2 run/pass punch would keep their excellent defense at bay; they now have a year of tape on Haskins and the offense, and we haven't shown a threat in the run game for some time. If we don't improve between now and then, we will have our hands full with that bunch up north. I'm just sayin'.
My biggest takeaway from them is that they are improving as the season goes on. I’m sure we have too, I just can’t really pinpoint a major improvement.
Dwayne is getting better each week. There's more and more tape on him, yet he keeps piling up huge numbers.
Only problem is that the erstwhile Mr. Haskins is not a two way player. Down vote away, but at this stage of the season, *ichigan is playing better as a "team" than the Buckeyes, and the Wolverine's threat level to our beloved Scarlet and Gray is indeed high. A golden arm cannot win championships by itself.
Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72
the erstwhile Mr. Haskins
Wait, did Dwayne change his name?
so, you don't think it's possible that haskins has the TALENT to beat michigan? DH hasn't shown me anything that says he won't be able to play well against michigan in columbus.
We know Simba has the talent to beat Michigan -- hell, we saw him do it last year. The issue (for me, at least) is whether the O line and the D secondary have the talent to beat Michigan.
I'm tempted to believe that this is Michigan's best shot to beat us since Harbaugh arrived. Nothing about our team tells me we are better than them. If our offensive line and running game can't overcome a team like Minnesota, it is going to be a nightmare against the Michigan defense.
Luckily for us, THE GAME is at home, and TTUN hasn't played well on the road
That's a Buckeye touchdown!
Still think 2016 was their best chance. They whooped Penn State and their only loss was a last second FG in Kinnick stadium. If they beat Sparty & Penn State those two might be comparable, but I don't see McSorely & Franklin rolling over and taking a third big ten east loss.
They are (GASP) improving. We are not. They are pretty much healthy. We are not. Not concerned yet, but us not being to effectively stop the tight end or the running game doesn't make me feel good.
Long way to go and hopefully we have Bosa back along with the other guys that are gimpy.
They aren’t exactly healthy, Rashan Gary hasn’t played in 2 weeks, Abury Soloman (starting DT) hasn’t played since Notre Dame, and Tarik Black the best WR hasn’t played a down of football all season.
Definitely not healthy. Rashan Gary has been out, top WR Black has been out the entire season (expect a return for PSU),starting DT Solomon has been out the season so far (expected return soon), Evans has been out a few games but started to get worked back in against Wisconsin. I would say those are the main injuries lingering for Michigan right now. With Gary being the highest and not sure on his return. When he does return it sounds like he will just have to play through the pain.
Solomon and Dwumfour both played against Wisconsin. Michigan looks like a completely different team on the road(not in a good way). MSU was able to keep Mcsorley relatively at bay as far as running around making plays. If they keep Patterson in the pocket, Shea has to prove he can stand in there and deliver accurate passes without bailing out early. I said UM would lose to Sparty before the Wisky game and I still think they will.
Michigan's good. They're going to beat MSU, and they're a legit threat to knock off the Buckeyes in Columbus. All they needed to do so last year was a QB, and now they have a serviceable one.
All they needed to do so last year was a QB AND A MUCH BETTER OLINE.
It wasn't just a lack of quality QB play last year. It was their lines, on both sides of the ball, getting beat by the OSU linemen.
They ran on OSU with little problem. The running game last year was plenty, if only they had a QB.
Ummm, let's see.... nope. They had 100 yds rushing on 36 carries. That's a 2.8 yd/carry average. Their Oline got manhandled in the run game AND the pass game (5 sacks, held to 195 yds). Under 300 yds total offense.
Nice job factoring in John O'Korn's -35 yards!
When you don't play games with stats, my point stands. Higdon and Evans ran 22 times for 122 yards, almost 6 yards a pop. If you want to factor in their short-yardage situations with Ben Mason and Khalid Hill, it's still 28 for 135 for 4.5 yards. When they wanted to run on OSU, they ran on OSU.
Playing games with stats? There's a reason that sacks count against your rushing total. 100 yds rushing in a game (or 122 or 135) is not going to be winning football in The Game. BTW, O'Korn is listed as having 8 carries for -35 yds. Some of his carries were read/option or designed runs.
Let's give you the critical comparison that you so desperately need:
OSU ran for 226 yds on 48 carries for a 4.7 yd/carry average. That number INCLUDES the 3 sacks that TTUN got. THAT is how you beat your rival.
If they were to play this weekend, I would not be optimistic. At all. Hell, I'm rather concerned about this weekend. That bye week can't come soon enough.
That was all I could think after I read the article and headed on down to the comment section. You said it for me!
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Nothing that comes easy is worth a dime.
A non sequitur, but I don't think ND was nor is impressive this year. This Buckeye team in better health is fully capable of a sudden astrohop up from where it currently labors. As for thee rivalry, it's The Game after all.
In a way this feels a little like some 90's games. 1993 ring a bell? "We're so talented, no way we lose this game" type of bullshit was bullshit.
For the millennials, Michigan absorbed a loss against a terrible Purdue team. They combined for 3 or 4 field goals. It has been a while. My memory could be hazy. And the dumped our Buckeyes anyway.
That's how I've felt this week - and I haven't had that feeling since 2002. (In 2003 I felt we were evenly matched; In 2004 I felt M was the better team and was happily proven wrong; and since then it's just felt like ownership of The Game). But 2002 was the last year I remember that awful 90's feeling of "We're the better team. We should win. BUT I don't like the fact that Michigan seems just good enough and just hungry enough to make me nervous as hell and could potentially get it done."
We are better than Michigan. Period. Ohio State is not perfect, nor close, but Ohio State is better than Michigan.
What I don't like is that M seems serviceable this year. Not good enough to compete in the playoffs or anything crazy - just good enough to lose 2-3 games and compete with anyone on their schedule. What I especially don't like is that animal has to be becoming more and more hungry for a W. Hairball knows what a 1-2 loss year and a W in Columbus would mean and if the idea of a W in Columbus against an OSU team competing for a conference title and potential NC is not the top prize on his list, then he really is destined to be a failure up there.
Wisconsin - OSU blocked field goal kept OSU undefeated...with the tie with Whisky. Until they went north and lost 28-0. Remember it well. Big Daddy Dan Wilkerson and all. Difference this year is seems like OSU is much more in a slide. Um in upswing this year but they were in no upswing in 93. I do recall getting riled up by Keith Jackson in ‘93 when he said “The Buckeyes are ripe!” Just prior to UM game. And, dang...he was right.
7-0.........#2 in the country........yep, the buckeyes are in real decline. SMH
The second paragraph was 1996. I forgot to mention it. Michigan was awful, and Ohio State already secured the Rose Bowl that Cooper would win.
1995 Tim Biakabutuka still gives me nightmares.
What a freakin nightmare
It's going to be Michigan vs. Ohio State for the right to go to the B1G title game this year.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
Their O Line has shown massive improvement because Ed Warriner is coaching them. I cannot same the same for ours. I'm a little worried he knows our personnel and will have a small ax to grind against us. A win vs TSUN is by no means guaranteed this year.
Yes, I don't think our OL has been as good since Warriner was shown the door after he couldn't handle the promotion to OC. He's a really good OL coach, and I think we miss him. The loss of Kerry Coombs seems to hurt as well. Coaching does matter.
"It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer." - Albert Einstein
Mostly agree, but the OL was damn good last year.
Their O Line has shown massive improvement because Ed Warriner is coaching them.
This. 1,000x, this. I am very, very happy Warinner is at Michigan coaching the OL. This has been the achilles heel of the team for at least a dozen years. It finally is turning around. I hope that Warinner is happy, and is paid a boatload of money, and stays at Michigan for a long time. I don't think we can do better than Warinner, and I am extremely happy with almost all the coaches.
I applaud your objectivity for once. I can’t stand TTUN. It is not hard to see they look pretty good. It’s like we’ve flipped defensively.A little worried? Yeah.
Without Bosa a lot worried.
I love this new series, whoever came up with it is a genuis...
Still, michigan has the best defense, and osu's, according to many of the fans on here, have the worst. Yet, somehow, OSU has given up 26 more points on the season than UM. 26 points, yes, again, 26 more points.
"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra
Meh. Is under 4 pts a game a big deal?
I believe that's the original point.
OSU has had success with the bend don’t break defense. 4 points yes but I would look at avg yards per play being Michigan at 3.93 and OSU at 5.67 and giving up almost 1,000 more yards this year. Unlike you, I think that is why some of the posts on here are concerned with the defense.
Michigan now ahead of OSU on a neutral site in S&P+.
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
Of course they would be... you can't generate hype over a game when we've kicked their asses this many times in a row and are yet again favored this year. Screw Blue!!!
BigBuckeye says Go Bucks
I'm not intimately familiar with the formulae that go into S&P+, but I'm pretty sure "hype factor" is not a part of it.
Hype generates money and money drives the business... it's all about the build up to the game as over the recent past seasons the game hasn't lived up to the stigma as the best rivalry in America
ohio state is 14-1 over last 15 against michigan on ANY FIELD. i'll take actual results over S&P projections any day.
As with investments, past performance is not indicative of future results.
That's understandable, but one of these teams has consistently under-performed against statistical expectations and the other has over-performed. Seeing the ratings switch week to week as preseason expectations have been removed from the formula has not been has not been ideal.
I agree Michigan is a significant threat. But isn't S&P+ the same folks who had Hornibrook as the best quarterback in the B1G?
No, that was Pro Football Focus.
Michigan is for sure showing their nuts right now... they look pretty stout at the moment
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
"Gangsta-ass ni**as don't flex nuts, cuz real gangsta-ass ni**as know they got 'em."
Their next 2 games will go a long way toward telling the tale. At the moment, I'm only mildly impressed.
I think given my expectations for them this year, I'm fairly impressed. Like you said, this upcoming stretch will tell us more about them, but the threat level at the moment is pretty accurate.
Agree 100% with this. I'm definitely more impressed than I thought I'd be, but nowhere near 'Holy Shit!' level.
Probably speaks more to how awful I thought they'd be.
Eat shit and die meatchicken
I wish I could up vote more than once because you deserve it with that comment
Wisconsin is pretty much a dream matchup for Michigan. Can’t throw down field and 100% dependent on running the ball between the tackles. MSU will be similar but a bit more unpredictable. Penn State will be the real test because they matchup well with Michigan.
It was shocking how bad Penn State looked against Sparty especially after a bye week... I guess they didn't become an "elite" program while on their bye. Franklin is a douche bag
Its really the same problem year in and out with Penn State. They simply can’t put teams away. If you don’t put MSU away they are going to get you.
Muck Fichigan all day, every day!!! Zero respect for that school and especially that coach... you suck Hairball!!!
Am I the only one that thinks that calling him ‘Hairball’ and them ‘meatchicken’ is extremely childish and immature? Damn.
MSU has had Michigan's number for a long time. I believe that is about to change. Two of the last three years have been a nightmare for Michigan, 3 years ago with the punt debacle and last year with the monsoon, coupled with the terrible OL and 2nd string QB. The one thing I'll say is that there is NO WAY Michigan will ever look past MSU again.
I don't think you guys understand how much Michigan players want revenge against MSU at this point. The difference is that the offense is serviceable now, finally, finally, finally. The defense is great, but they can't win games alone. As many of you have noted, the defense can't stay on the field forever. By the 4th quarter, they were gassed. Now the offense stays on the field, and the other defense is being taxed. And Finally, in Harbaugh's 4th year, there is real depth. Guys can come in on the DL and secondary and LB group and there isn't a huge step down in talent. In fact, Rashan Gary can afford to sit for a full month to heal up for PSU. We couldn't have done that in previous years without a huge, huge fall off in talent.
The other thing with the OL improvement under Warinner is that until TOSU, I don't think we are going to face another killer DL. The OL has 5 weeks to play 4 more games. And the last two games will be practice for TOSU. What they show, what they do, both on the OL and throughout the team, will be there for TOSU to see, and will be hidden from TOSU's eyes as needed.
The fact that Michigan has crapped the bed against MSU and PSU and TOSU falls right into the coaches hands: they have everything they need to motivate the team to play with a high level of intelligence and energy and enthusiasm.
We match up good against that defense because they have ben hurt in the air down field. BYU exposed Wisconsin in Madison as a pretender. I think Sparty has a few surprises for them.
The other thing with the OL improvement under Warinner is that until TOSU, I don't think we are going to face another killer DL.
There, fixed it for you fluffer.
I see all of the above comments stating "MSU will be the real test" and "PSU will be the real test". That's what the VAST majority were saying exactly one week ago about Wisconsin. As much as I hate to admit it, it appears that ttun has at least gotten to average levels on the 2 things they needed to fix the most, QB and OL. I'm nervous as hell.
TTUN OL looked good vs WI and so did Patterson. OSU's D is looking better, and really good in second halves. If the OSU running game does not improve, the game could be very tough. If OSU's running game gets to its normal level, then OSU can win by a comfortable margin.
We need to be talking about them now. They have become the second best team in the entire BIG. Anyone who knows football should realize they are the new threat. They punished Wisconsin!!
So did BYU.
No. BYU won by 3. Wisconsin had more rushing yards, passing yards, and total yards than BYU.
Michigan DOMINATED this game.
Exactly Avail!!! You get it. Some don’t.
Big difference playing in Madison.
Wisconsin is more fraudulent than normal, and Hornibrook is just a guy. Congrats to UM on doing what needed to be done - and looking good while doing it. I'll let Leo sum up for my thoughts...
First, conference match ups are tough. Just ask the 9 top 25 that got upset last Saturday. So upsets happen But it helps to have survived some real dogfights and really both osu and ttun have.
But osu has already proven it doesn’t need to run to win. Period. And that’s a good thing because it ain’t gonna change this season. Furthermore. Ufm said today that they ran a dozen rpo’s that, after a good qb read, resulted(successfully) in passes. So in essence a hundred + yards of the last couple games were in fact rpo’s
Both sides of the ball have consistently made adjustments and shown the stamina and depth to close strong at home or away. Not accidental either.
And now the defense is creating turnovers and d backs are keeping plays in front of them. All positive signs. Yes the defense needs significant improvement still, but they do keep the score low.
Heres hoping for health and continued winning.
I didn't think that game Saturday night would show us that the winner was a contender but show us that the loser was a pretender, which is exactly what happened.
That being said, it concerns me a lot that, ttun is seemingly strong in all the spots we are weak. They have a strong defense lead by a power line and they run the ball well, two things which have seemed to be our biggest weak points this year.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
I came here to say pretty much this exact thing. They concern me because what they do well is all the things we are not good at. We give up big chunk yards on the ground, and they run the ball well. We let short pass plays turn into big pass plays. And the strength of their defense is the line getting pressure on the quarterback and our offensive line is pretty weak. Based on what we've seen, I have no reason to believe we will run the ball against them. And if they get pressure on Haskins, they will be able to slow the pass game. I think if we get Bosa back, it will make a big difference, but this is the highest I have considered their threat level in a really long time.
I think they just went up a level with today's announcement.
broken record time
never underestimate those people
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I think I underestimated them a bit but I also might have overestimated Wisconsin. MSU also played better against PSU than I thought they would given their performance to this point in the year. Michigan is still the better team, it seems, but they very well could lose on the road to MSU, I think PSU is their most likely loss other than OSU but still.
OSU has got to get better on defense. That said, Michigan the last few years has done a good job exploiting OSU's scheme regardless of the QB. That is always a game. It will just depend on how OSU's offense adjusts to things the defense does. It will be strength on strength in that game for sure.
Expanding their international fanbase...
Anxiety Meter pegged. I'm going to The Game for the 1st time this year for my 50th Birthday. I'll be a miserable SOB if scUM gets tOSU.
Effing Ed Warnnier, traitor, making the line better no doubt. Defense LEGIT, Don Brown is a master D Coord with studs at his disposal.
We got Simba and the pride of WRs, hopefully Bosa returns, Chase, Mr. Jones, we get healthy and improve in LBs and secondary play. Oline awakes from slumber and we get giddy up boys galloping through scUM.
You win with people.
Is the picture borrowed from Big Trouble in Little China????
I’m taking the unpopular position that as of right now, they’re playing better football than the Buckeyes. Interested to see what happens the one day a year I root for PSU in a few weeks.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
And Nick Bosa is done....MOTHERFCKR!
Michigan has played one good team, ND---and lost. Wisconsin is a turd, not one of their better teams. U of M wins vs.: Nebraska (0-7) Western Michigan, & SMU (2-5)--- Some of the worst teams in college football.
If Michigan played Wisky first game of the season would they have dominated them 38-13 though? My point is Michigan's OL since ND has gotten better, and Patterson has looked more comfortable with his recievers etc....But you are right, it is hard to tell how MUCH better they have gotten because the majority of the teams they've played are bad.
While it's fair to look at Michigans schedule it's ridiculous to say Wisconsin isn't good because Michigan beat them. Not as good as in past years? sure but still worthy of a top 25 ranking.
Secondly Michigans only loss is looking better than any of OSU wins so far. TOSU best win is who? Penn State that just lost back to back games at home? or TCU whose been unranked for going on 3 weeks and is 1-2 since they played on a "neutral" field?
Anyone else here wish Warinner was still coaching Ohio State's O-Line?
Michigan's game against East Lansing will require Michigan to lean on Patterson to win them the game. If you watched MSU vs. PSU, it was evident that the best way for PSU to win that game was on McSorely's shoulders. He played a really poor game. Given a stout front seven for MSU (who has the top rush defense in the country), it forces teams to rely on their QB to win the game.
Don't think Michigan's had to lean on Patterson quite like they'll have to on Saturday. He's a good QB, but decision making has been questionable in the past couple games and he hasn't looked completely comfortable. If he steps up and is making good decisions, I think Michigan rolls. If he doesn't get comfortable, game could come down to turnovers.
I think Michigan is a better team than MSU, but MSU is a tough match-up for Michigan's strengths.
Step on throat. Refuse to remove foot forever
We're in trouble...
"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland
TTUN beating Wisconsin was somewhat impressive, but Wisconsin isn't as great as people thought. I think BYU pretty much exposed that. As far as TTUN goes...they have looked pretty good in the Big House. But they've played two games away from home, and they haven't looked good in either one of them.
Class of 2010.