theyve been saying for 7 weeks they need to be better, then running out the same personnel and the same scheme. Make changes or accept this is who you are defense, but im sick of the same rhetoric every week
Agree, no more excuses with the talent we have. Make changes and get better or make bigger changes...
"I will pound you and pound you until you quit." - Woody Hayes
I hope someone didn’t realize they down voted this^! I have been at the past two games and am very frustrated. I like to think of myself as a “grounded” fan. I can’t figure some things out though. Why do we play man up and not bump. Why are our LB’s getting muttled in the traffic and not reading well. I hope we take an honest self evaluation or I’m afraid of the future.
Upvote to offset the downvotes from people that apparently can't handle the truth
Class of 2005
Amen. If the fundamental problem is gap integrity and maintaining the gap yet the problem is constantly reoccurring. Is it a personnel problem on the field or is it a coaching problem in terms of teaching the defense?
Either way, something has to change. The truth is our defense has some significant problems that will lead to loses, if not corrected.
Lets call a spade a spade. Werner isn't wrong about gap integrity but failed to mention when they do keep gap integrity they can't tackle. I agree CB24, something has to change, if not scheme, then accountability.
Amen! I think some people tailgate too hard and then down vote everything in sight.
Agreed. Excuses excuses excuses. This defense looks completely lossy at nearly every position. I know Saban, Dabo, and Riley wouldn’t allow these horrible performances week after week.
I completely agree with this statement the reason those coaches are so successful is they're not hiring their best man from their wedding Urban Meyer as much as I love him has an atmosphere of nepotism and unfortunately accepts subpar coaches in his program when he could get the best there's no reason this team shouldn't be as good as a Saban-coached team but Meyer favors friends over talented coaches. This is his Achilles heel.
2012 Beat Michigan Tail gate: UFM: "Let’s beat the sh*t out of Michigan, have a good night."
If that's the case, the athletic director needs to do his damn job! Urban is acting like a position coach is more important than the damn program. Which we clearly saw with Zach Smith. Urban needs to start holding coaches and players accountable. We see this bull crap every week, because no one is being held accountable. You don't have to be at practice to see this. Is obvious with the scheme and play on Saturdays. We keep seeing the same bull every damn week. Urban do something, this is your damn team. It's okay to change what's not working. We play more players out of position than I've ever seen. Hilliard is a true inside linebacker, yet we play him at outside linebacker. Prince has been sorry since he stepped on campus, but he keeps getting the nod to start. We see other top flight coaches make changes all the time, but Urban just keep doing the same stuff all year. You think other coaches would've waited until the end of 2015 to fire beck? The same thing is happening on the defensive side of the ball. Leaders who are afraid to lead/adjust says something. How many times do you all need to see another failed season because of our stubborn coaching staff. Wake up!
Schiano and Davis to Rutgers for Chris Ash...
Without Nick, they aren't getting enough pressure on the QB. So they blitz a LB or two and that makes them vulnerable for that little slant route. Good thing their QB missed a couple throws.
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
I completely disagree... While missing Nick is a huge loss that is not the problem.... Teams have had enough film on OSU from the season to realize the defense keeps making the same mistakes.... The LB's are horrible.. They RPO us to death. Getting the ball out of the QB's hands fast enough to not let the DL get to the QB because our DB's play way off the ball and the LB's are always out of position and frankly look lost 75% of the time.... This will continue until the coaching staff corrects those mistakes...
There might have been a few RPOs, but what I'm referring to are the 3 step drops and throw to the slot receiver doing a quick slant. There was no play action or RPO on those quick hitters.
That slant route killed us...yet we made NO adjustment. Line up our DB right in the WRs face and jam him at the LOS. At least get him off a free run on that 10-12 yard slant. Put him on his ass at the LOS.
Losing Bosa was a big blow but I keep going back to the first game of the year. We had all the starters then and still gave up like 400 yds to one of the worst teams in CFB.
Yep. A little less conversation, a lot more action.
Read my entire screen name....
And after 7 weeks, no matter the personnel (5 starters out this week), the same problems persist. To me that says its coaching/scheme, not personnel. The players look to lack confidence in the scheme and that is why they are constantly out of position. They are trying to do too much.
More often than not, our LBs run themselves out of the play... And then are out of position to make a play...
Had this game need played in Minneapolis, the result may have been different. I was fearing the TTUN game... now I’m concerned about this weekend.
This is the same thing urban does for every problem another words, nothing.
Theire is only one truth...
We should move players from offense to defense
Hey, DVers, that was a joke. Good Lord, get some reading comprehension lessons or get the hell out of here. You're turning 11W into Twitter. Stop it.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
Agree! I’m getting close to done here.
"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes
We are definitely a second half team..if we can get the first half figured out we might be ok..oh, and the big play, and stopping the run, and the penalties..
So was Georgia until today. If they continue this they will fill the right hand column.
The ugly truth is often downvoted
Georgia lost to a better team. LSU had no business losing to Florida. It was a surprise to me.
If they had no business losing to Florida, why did they lose? That's what happens when you sleep walk during every game you play, eventually you will lose.
Kids play over their head, then lose next week to bad teams. Like Florida did.
LSU man handled Georgia.
Florida had their way with LSU.
Using bad internet logic, Florida will handle Georgia, right? Bet the mortgage the other way.
Sure but not at a championship level.
Yes and they have obvious flaws that need addressed
where the hell is dante booker??? i just can't imagine him being any worse of an option compared to who we're currently putting out there.
if linebacker play doesn't improve we're in trouble...i like that hilliard at least got a shot today.
lastly, i guess we did shut them out in the second half right?
tOSU via LINY
Booker, if you can believe it, is probably even more clueless at the snap than the starters.
We don’t need the DL playing ‘pin their ears back’ pass rush to the QB on every play. More stunting. More eating blockers. More teaching so the front seven can anticipate and make quality reads.
I miss quality coaching.
We need to play different defensive tackles. We start recruiting man eating DT's and of course we barely play them and we don't play the style of defense that tailors to them. Makes no sense. Our coaching staff is clueless. Schiano, this isn't early 2000's. We play press man, but don't touch the receivers. How does that even make sense?
I’ve been saying/thinking the same about Keandre. Hilliard did break up a couple passes, but he also had his back to the play more than I’d care to see and then there’s 20 getting trucked at the goal line...
"Three things can happen when you pass the ball, and two of them are bad." - Woody
Grinch is not living up to the standard at this time. It’s beyond half way point. They aren’t young anymore. Not letting Schiano off the hook here either. I understand we have some injuries, but 4 and 5 star depth that aren’t lined up right is disturbing. Billy Davis, you were an NFL coach? Really? Joke’s on us.
It’s a little scary to think he may be taking over the entire Defense next season.
Fields of Dreams
Not as scary as Schiano (and Davis) returning for a third year of this).
“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman
Replace Davis. No more wedding participants or relatives of friends. This is football, not a fraternity.
I think Schiano so over rated it ain’t funny. He gets more slack cut for him
I would go a little easy at this point on Coach Grinch. This is Coach Schiano's defense. One would assume that Coach Schiano consults all the defensive position coaches throughout the week, but, in the end, this is most likely Coach Schiano's defense.
"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes
Penn State goes down!. This is upset weekend. Go Mizzou!
Damn it! Our sos keeps taking hits.
The browns suck and always will. Baker is a huge douche too. May a drunken mod edit this signature because it hurts his butt
Who cares about SOS?? Just win!!
Georgia went down also, ND almost lost to Pitt. what a day.....
Werner is too small and weak. He has good instincts (usually) but he ends up getting blown out of the play or ran over. That's not going to magically change this season either. He will need to add 20 pounds or so before he can really be an effective LB
Right again. Werner looks like a HS junior out there and Tuf looks very slow. Our back 7 just don't look very athletic.
I like Werner. But, he is small as a college lb. looks more like a safety.
Let's trade Schiano and Davis for Luke Fickell. Schiano's defensive scheme isn't working and he won't change. Linebacker play under Fickell was also much better.
Bring back Chris Ash while you're at it
He should be available soon.
Sadly...I wanted Chris to succeed, but RU is a dumpster fire.
Again, who the hell down votes this^^??? Our D was firing with him
Haskins had 9 rushing attempts in this game...that's a problem
None of them were designed. Nonetheless, still a problem.
I will cut the secondary some slack since they lost yet another 1st round pick in Ward this year. But the linebackers have been trash. They're past learning.
It's over halfway through the season. Purdue is up, having murdered Illinois and with some actual playmakers. Something has to change. Coaches or players.
I actually think the DBs are playing better. I just think they’re comprised at times by our non-exsistent LB play.
Corners are playing better. Safety play is still lacking, at times.
I just notice there is one position groups coach that does not get to these interviews.
With Grinch I'm actually seeing improvement from Pryor compared to earlier this year.
Have heard from Larry Johnson who's young guys like Smith ,Togiai ,and Friday look very promising as freshman.
Have heard from Taver and Schiono.
Why nothing from Davis? You watch Browning,Werner, Borland, Hilliard and Jones tape from high school to now. They were better in high school. Terrible linebacker coaching. Yet have not seen an interview from him.
Don't remember seeing any interviews with Coach Studs ...... with an offensive line performance like today, he was probably hiding in a shower stall ...... Absolutely no drive from the linemen at the point of attack when we run the ball ..... I'll say it again - lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy .......
One thing I did notice, watching Prince, was his tendency to bend at the waist and lean when he tries to run block (he missed his man and fell flat on his face) ..... that stuff is taught at Pop Warner .... lack of focus and laziness ....
Losing Fickle has really hurt...Davis is not a good coach...only reason he got the job is his friendship with Meyer
It has become a bit old listening to the coaches say "this is not acceptable," "we'll get it fixed," etc. when the same problems have continued since week one. "D" having up big plays, the running game has actually taken a step backward each week . . . Oh, we did have fewer accepted penalties today.
A valuable employee at a key company has to identify the problems and then correct them. Nothing is getting fixed. Accountability is the word of the day. Too many excuses and empty clueless coach speak. Loyalty gonna bite you in the ass again coach ?
“Those little mistakes will give up big plays,” Werner said. “I got to watch the film on that. But I just know we got to stay in our gaps.”
You’ve had seven weeks to go over film and it’s the same thing every week. Seriously when is this going to stop?
We get it. You are disappointed. We get it you got to get better. You are gonna work on it...........Cool story bro
The team is what it is. It’ll live and die in Haskins arm. Defense will continue to be porous and the running game won’t be dominating, though both will have their moments here and there. OSU’s best chance is that the Big 10is weak year and they win everything until the playoffs. In the playoffs they won’t likely be consistent but they may get lucky at the right times.
I just feel badly for Weber. He stayed to play and now he's not getting the yards because the O line can't block a mild breeze.
"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland
Haskins keeps shining while most of the time I'm wondering what happened to this OSU team. Top talent that keeps looking like a mediocre high school team, especially in the first half. I was almost hoping at halftime that the Gophers would pull the upset so I could send them a thank you note for just getting it over with and chalking up the inevitable first loss of the season for the Buckeyes.
Too many players missing assignments and out of position. It has to get better. The season is over half done, so experience should not be an issue.
Gap, gap, missed the gap, didn't play our gaps, blah, blah, blah. About time they learn their gaps or sit down
The score was flattering towards are D...thank goodness for 3 turnovers deep in our half and 2 missed FGs by Minny. Obviously there was a lot of concern about the secondary going into today but first things first, we gotta stop the run. 2nd half was a bit better but not sure how it came to be this bad
It got this bad because we have a head coach who doesn't hold people accountable. That's why things don't get fixed. We keep the same under performing coaches on the staff and refuse to bench players who's not performing. Makes no sense. Leaders who don't hold people accountable are cowards. Zach Smith staying hear all those years, did it for me. Some of our fans can be flat out blind. When you tolerate childish behavior from your coaches, you don't have a spine. Meyer doesn't have the spine to hold people accountable. We're winning because of talent. This is The Ohio State, and we'll always have talent. If your happy with 10 & 11 win seasons, then welcome to mediocrity. As far as I'm concerned, it's championship or bust at this point in Meyers tenure.
Who else worry’s about playing Purdue? And who thinks this team can beat Michigan or Wisconsin? Saban would have fired half this staff already. Something has to change or expect this every year. We can compete with bama Clemson as Georgia we just can’t keep playing to the level of our competition
You obviously didn’t watch Wisconsin tonight. Very obvious!!
The defense is still atrocious! While Hilliard had his ups and downs, it was his first start. He looked better than some of those guys who have somehow earned starts all season. Why are Borland and Werner still in there? And why is Browning regressing each week? Now I'm afraid the OL needs an overhaul. Purdue worries me!
Anybody else notice that Billy Davis, despite his impressive NFL resume, has never really been able to keep a job?
Just felt like looking this up...
Ohio State Assistant Coaching Staff Salaries and Increases for 2018
Greg Schiano – $700,000 in 2017 to $1,500,000 in 2018: $800,000 increase
Ryan Day – $400,000 in 2017 to $1,000,000 in 2018: $600,000 increase
Kevin Wilson – $650,000 in 2017 to $800,000 in 2018: $150,000 increase
Alex Grinch – $800,000 in 2018
Larry Johnson – $575,225 in 2017 to $750,000 in 2018; $174,775 increase
Tony Alford – $450,000 in 2017 to $525,000 in 2018; $75,000 increase
Bill Davis – $500,000 in 2017; $500,000 in 2018
Greg Studrawa – $410,000 in 2017 to $500,000 in 2018; $90,000 increase
Taver Johnson – $345,000 in 2018
What’s ur point?
We are vulnerable and inconsistent. Period
Was able to watch a good bit of LSU v UGA. Just sat down for late Q3 of ttun v Wisky. LSU has a good D and a good DC. Something Danielson said during the broadcast was interesting - LSU was my gettingnpass rush so Aranda decided to just rush 4 (or even 3) and drop everyone into coverage, occasionally would mix it up with blitz/pressure. Not Schiano. Same scheme. Beat one’s head against the wall. Watching ttun. Brown is also a good DC of a good D. He also likes an aggressive, man-to-man scheme, but he’s got his LBs 3-4 yards off the LOS. Allows them to see more and keep the play in front of them and he can still easily bring added pressure with a blitz. Our LBs still too easily get fooled by play action or RPOs, but they are also stressed by either getting caught up in the wash or dropping into coverage.
Bad coaching + Bad scheme = Bad defense.
I guess Schiano and Davis being NFL guys expect NFL execution and reads from 18-21 year olds, but watch some NFL tomorrow and you won’t see the Schiano scheme being run. NFL offenses have been borrowing a lot of the spread and RPO concepts from college and IMO NFL DCs have figured out the 1990s aggressive press man-to-man and bringing LBs up to the LOS has become old school.
Not just this, but this is college where coaching should adjust to players. We’ve had poor execution, but at point what do we look at our coaches? There are minimal signs of adjustment or improvement. The good news is that we won’t win the conference playing like this. Something will give.
Problem is simple - we just need a turnover gimmick. Maybe an oversized buckeye necklace or spiked shoulder pads?
I’m actually afraid my sarcastic answer is a better solution than anything Schiano has come up with so far. Given what I’ve seen so far I’m positive it is.
I think this teams just ready for the bye week
teams are dropping and struggling all over the country. Glad they’re 7-0 with a chance to go 8-0
over rated , pure and simple
I HATE writing this. I just finished watching the damn skunk weasels take the Badgers to the woodshed, I am now officially seriously worried about the Threat Level presented by TTUN.
Plainly stated - they look like a real, deal team. If we play them like we played our last few opponents, we will lose. We will need bring a full 60 minutes of game play in all phases and all units or they will (finally) take us down.
Love my Buckeyes, but we are the worst Top 3 team I have ever seen, at least on D and the O line.
Praying, hoping we get it all together. Keep working, boys!
The problem is Meyer delegates personnel decisions and schemes to his assistants and it is obvious they are failing. The LBs are the worst in 30 years yet they keep playing the same lousy guys. The schemes are the same and they are failing. Players are getting worse ( Prince, Werner, Borland, Pryor, Wint, Browning) and there is a lack of toughness everywhere.
Turning out that the marquee wins (PSU and TCU) aren’t overly impressive... Indiana just got taken to the woodshed... Minnesota, Rutgers, and Oregon State???
This team has top talent, but it hasn’t translated to the field... that equation spells coaching, particularly OL, LB and secondary... they are overrated and better get it fixed before next Saturday night...
Watching OSUs defense and then LSUs should be a shock to fans and this coaching staff. Pursuit, tackling, hard hitting, speed- LSU showed that every series. OSU did not showed any all game long.
Other than Young, Jones and Fuller none of OSUs guys would play for LSU. This is the worst defense in the Meyer/ Tressel era. Not sure sure if any of Cooper's defense was this bad ( his 1st year was really bad).
At some point Michigan is going to win The Game. Would not surprise any knowledgable fan if it happens this year.
If anyone gets the time watch OSU vs.Minn in 40 on youtube and watch our LB’s on every play. Then watch Bama against Mizzu and watch Bamas backers. It is a shocking example of how terrible our LB corp is playing.
Agree. This is on the players. My only problem with the coaching is that the current scheme does not work with players making mistakes on virtually every play. Change the scheme or change the players. I assume the guys starting are the best option. The problem is they would likely make similar mistakes with a different scheme too.
I kept telling people all this falls on Meyer and Gene Smith. Billy Davis was hired because of.... Strudwa was hired because of.... Schiano was hired because of... Smith was hired because of.... Beck was hired because of.... Withers was hired because of.... Urban is a great recruiter, period. Our best coaches have left for better jobs. Meyer couldn't get along with Mike Vrabel and ran him out of town. You telling me we couldn't have paid Coombs more money? But yet you add Taver, Grinch, and keep Davis. You y'all can keep falling for the smoke and mirrors if you want too...
7 - 0, with a chance to be 8 - 0!!!
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
And will move up to #2 in the rankings, he said, while shaking his head and chuckling.
Which is pretty close to meaningless at this point in the season. They're not playing well, plain and simple. Yes, they are undefeated. They were also undefeated in 2015, with basically the entire team back after winning the national title. Yet, it was easy to see they weren't playing well. And then it finally bit us, against MSU. Those of us who can see that we are not playing great right now are hoping that we avoid that same fate this year.
Prince was used when thrust in as a freshman, so he got a pass. Since then he’s shown some promising signs, but that’s been about it. This feels like Meyer sticking with the upperclassman rather than the best option. Prince was constantly getting beaten against Minnesota. xichigan and anyone we face in the playoffs will be licking their chops.
Corners and safeties are most vulnerable on slant and crossing plays. EXTREMELY difficult to not allow receiver to get a step on those. The problem is that when the receiver catches the ball in the middle he is supposed to be met by LBs who are God knows where on many of those plays.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Defense is not mentally tough. Can we bring Saban in for this speech? The team needs to hear this:
I don’t understand the depth positioning of our linebackers. That obviously opens up the slant.
But it also commits the linebackers to gaps that the offense can see before the snap.
Running backs head toward b gap, juke outside, and crease us consistently.
This team needs to stop thinking they can win every man to man matchup, telegraph the defensive call, and defy the offense to do the obvious.
When we got THE stop against Penn State, we had a creative defensive call.
Our LB's are the worst group I've seen in 25 years... They are constantly out of position scheme wise. which is coaching but they are also getting sucked into the wrong gaps as well on RPO's which if anyone has noticed teams are doing to us at will. That's situational awareness which it seems they lack. The DB's need to bump/press at the line more too to throw WR's off their pattern.... The opponents game plan every week seems to be short slant passes getting the ball out of the QB's hands early which leaves little or no time for the Pass rush to get to the QB.. which is our strength right now on defense... Coaches need to re-evaluate how they attack the offense.
I hate to say this but if things do not change, either scheme or personnel wise, we will drop at least 1 or 2 games by this season. I love my Buckeyes but I see this coming very soon. I watched Sparty beat Penn State and I have flashbacks of games where Dantonio has bested us. I see Purdue coming up and have flashbacks of Virginia Tech. Heck, even Meat Chicken is playing better so Hairball is getting some momentum.
It is not difficult to see where our weaknesses are and that teams are exploiting that. It is only a matter of time when we see another bear front and Haskins isn't given the time and all the sudden our passing game is nothing until that is figured out. My point being, if things are not changed than we will drop a game or two and we will be left wondering why Urban did not do this or that. I cannot go another year seeing Bama hoist another trophy in the Title game.
Tired of Werner saying we have to learn from this. Time to shit or get off the field.
I haven't watched my DVR just yet. Too many things yesterday....I did see on The Final Drive on BTN, Werner get run over at the goal line. He should not be in that position. In a 4-2-5, with the sometimes called "star position" as a hybrid safety/linebacker who can help in run support, sure. He is fast. He also seems to have good instincts. But there is a night and day difference between him and others before him like McMillian, Hawk, Lauranitius....in the ability to tackle hard runners.
Watched really closely yesterday to see what the linebackers were doing. It seemed they were just running into and engaging minnesotas oline, completely taking themselves out of the play unless they got lucky and went to the right gap. Its overaggressiveness and/or bad coaching. Be patient and read things and i think theyll be fine. DBs were much better and the d line will be fine when close to healthy
I thought the DBs as a whole are playing better as well. Even when Arnette was out there in the first quarter he showed he has gotten better made a heck of an open field tackle. Sheffield and Okudah are starting to not only look for the ball but actually are starting to know the routes the receivers are running. Will they still get beat from time to time ? Yeah. But it will be a contested play.
Not playoff ready yet. Sad
"That said, slow starts have been a recurring problem for Ohio State’s defense – the Buckeyes have trailed in the second quarter or later in four of their last five games "
That's because they don't make adjustments during the flow of the game in the 1st half.....They always seem to wait until halftime. Eventually that's going to get you beat.
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
We need a vocal, in your face leader on D! Someone to be that "a-hole-ish" kinda guy to rant and rave a bit....get things stirred up. I see very little emotion on this team. Be Gerry Bertier.
It could be worst.......I remember several weekends of hold your breath games during the Buckeye 2002 National Championship run. Cincy 23-19, N'Western 27-16, Wisconsin 19-14, Penn State 13-7, Purdon't 10-6, Illinois 23-16 OT, Ichigan 14-9, Then of course the championship game #1 Miami 31-24 dbl OT as a 300 point underdog. That was a not so fun year to be a Buckeyes fan that turned into a great year to be one. I'm feeling the same way about this team. One can only hope the end results are similar :) Tighten up defense.