Alabama 2018 = Miami 2002?

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

I don't think Bama has near the talent the 2002 Miami squad had on it.

JMO though.

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stuckupnorth's picture

I agree. I think the title is Alabama’s to lose on paper. However that Miami team was super stacked everywhere.That was one of the more talented squads in college football history. Then they played a team with  comparable talent and the rest is history.

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osu_killernuts's picture

Comparable talent? No offense, but Miami had a lot more talent. Ohio State played better as a team and handled pressure/adversity much better.

No such thing as a bad win

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JCam061588's picture

I’m not so sure about that. Yes, Miami’s team was more talented, but that Buckeye roster had a lot of NFL  guys on it. It’s really not a reach to say they were comparable. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Calgarybuck's picture

The 2002 Miami team had over 10 first rounders combined in the 03/04 draft Ohio State had 3...

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CC's picture

Ohio State had 19 guys drafted in the next 2 years, Miami had 17.  Yes more number ones but basically an entire nfl team played for both schools.

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cdub4's picture

Miami had more elite, game changing talent than OSU IMO. Those Canes teams were ridiculous.

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Calgarybuck's picture

Of those 19 guys how many made pro bowl's? Because you could name any Miami position group that played in that game and they'd have more than the Ohio State draftee's minus the D-line

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Calgarybuck's picture

We were talented no doubt, we won the game that's what matters but Miami's team was once in a generation type of talent at multiple positions! They dominated with a terrible HC.

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Kangarooman's picture

They got Tresselballed. The Vest was the kryptonite for the U. He bored them into submission.

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah; agreed.  The Miami squad that year -- and the year before -- was insane. 

Also, this whole "Alabama is unbeatable" thing is getting tired.  They're very good.  So are a few other teams. 

Nobody's unbeatable.  Nobody.  You'd think past years' 'Bamas, USCs, Miamis, etc. would teach everyone a lesson.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

You’re dead right, Cincy.  And frankly, the more that narrative grows, the better, IMHO. 

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RK84's picture

They have no experience in close games, because they don't play anyone and their conference is top heavy.

I don't think they are Miami 02 good, hell I don't think they are OSU 02 good, I think they are the best team in an overrated conference, that will either implode in the playoffs or win it. Same as they do every year.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Weave77's picture

hell I don't think they are OSU 02 good

The 2002 team certainly had a better defense, but I don't think they had nearly as good an offense as this Bama team.

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RK84's picture

Good point, I probably took that a touch too far, but every once in awhile I like to put my scarlet glasses on and serve up a hot take.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Elks' comb over's picture

Still a little early to determine how good Bama is or can be at the end of the year. They will have some tougher matchups. Georgia being their most difficult but there is no telling how good Georgia even really is at this point. I believe their passing game isn’t up to par.

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NOLABuckeye's picture

I thought Georgia looked pretty meh against Vandy.

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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Elks' comb over's picture

Yes but Vandy is an SEC team so wherever they rank amongst the rest of college football you automatically have to give them a plus 50 bump to know where they actually rank.

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milhouse4588's picture

Bama has done exactly what they should do as the #1 team in the nation. Their schedules sucks but they have steamrolled everyone as they should.

But no, they don't have the same talent as the '02 Hurricanes. That team was unfair on paper.

Hold the comparisons until they play a real teal and if they continue the 40 point beatings then sure, start comparing.

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Coach Harry's picture

2002 Miami was simply the best NCAA football team of all time and we knocked them down ... No other W will ever match this one ... What a season we had ... WOW ! Great memories with also my fav. play of all time, you all surely remember the Holy Buckeyes play ?

2018 Bama is not as good ... Never !!!

MACTE VIRTUTE !!! In Tress I will always trust !!!

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

I remember being in Vegas in the Keno lounge at the MGM Grand watching us go to OT with Illinois and jumping up and down when we won. People probably thought I bet my mortgage payment on that game. Tons of nail-biters that year, and that was the crucible that molded us into champions.

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Coach Harry's picture

Yep !!! LOL !!!  Adversity can have a huge impact in sports !!! I agree with you !!! What a season !!!

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Buckfrombirth's picture

That ‘01 Miami team was really good too, like historically good.  ‘18 Bama may be that good, but no one knows for sure yet.  Perhaps a better question is, are this year’s Buckeyes comparable with the ‘02 squad?  If they’re that tough, then good times may be ahead.  

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infantrybuck's picture

02 Miami was Good. I think we put them on a pedestal because of the way we beat them, but the 01 Hurricanes were better.  They lost Andre Johnson, Clinton Portas, Matt Walters, Philip Buchanan, Jeremy Shockey, And Ed Reid all to the draft after 01.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Andre Johnson was on the 02 team.  I can replay Keith Jackson's call of the final play in my head on demand, it starts "Andre Johnson and Roscoe Parrish lined up wide......".

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cdub4's picture

Frank Gore was a backup to Portis in 01. I think most fans expected him to start in 02, but he got hurt and missed the season, so Miami had to go with their 3rd string back from the previous year, McGahee.

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bd2999's picture

I will wait to see how they do against a couple better defenses but 2002 Miami was pretty stacked overall with talent. OSU beat them and not even because of the PI. Nobody expected it to be a game and OSU controlled the game outside of a few no calls in it. The defense was just great in that.

I think their QB was sacked more in that game than he was all season.

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Spartan13's picture

I do see the comparison where the media treats this team like it is the greatest sports team to ever walk the Earth. Their best win is a top 35ish A&M squad and the rest is a joke. Their secondary is bad and their skill players are ok for a great team. Front 7 is really good but it isn't anything scary. QB and Oline are elite and they have players sprinkled in on D but overall their D is a solid top 10 defense probably not as good as Michigan's. They haven't played a good team yet or played in a hostile environment against even an average team so it's so hard to tell how good they are. I would rather be the proven team that is young and improving than the older team that hasn't played anybody being told how great they are all season

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rkylet83's picture

Seriously, they’ve played nobody so far.  If they dominate the back half of their schedule...maybe.  They’re really good but they need to pump the brakes.  

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Jabba the Hoke's picture

No, Bama is unstoppable and cannot be beat. I hope Saban reads this.

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KBonay's picture

This Bama team doesn’t have quite as many strippers as the 02 Miami team had. 

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Cmon, now! The NCAA determined that all those stripper boats were also available to the rest of the student body at Coral Gables.  It was totally clean.

/heavy, heavy sarcasm intended

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MichiBuck12's picture

Also like 2002 Miami, they haven't played anyone. They have played one of the worst schedules in college football and will have played two FCS teams by the end of the year. They only play 8 conference games, and their best non conference game was Louisville. They better hope LSU, and Auburn both win out the rest of the way except for the games against Bama.

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infantrybuck's picture

02 Miami played Tennessee, Florida, and Florida State out of conference. That is pretty freaking insane by modern standards.

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MichiBuck12's picture

True, but each of those teams lost 5 games that year.

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linepilot15's picture

LSU and Auburn could lose every game the rest of the year and it wouldn't matter. Bama wins out and they are in... period.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I think the 02 Miami team actually lived up to the hype for the most part. They were tested several times throughout the year, and they were the best team in the country up until they got to Ohio State and the vest.

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Browns88's picture

Both teams very good.  But I don't think Nick Saban will let it get to the players heads.  Miami fed on it.   When the Buckeyes beat Bama in 2014 National Championship run, Saban commented several times about letting players think to ahead to their draft selection status versus beating Ohio State. 

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bd2999's picture

He did, but they also had Herman come in and go over the play calling and some other stuff too. Motivation may have been a factor but I think one has to be careful not to take too much away from OSU in that game.

To be honest, OSU was basically moving the ball at will against Alabama through most of that game. They were not scoring TDs early but that was the main flaw. The Alabama punter bailed them out with some great punts to pin OSU deep on multiple drives in the third and fourth quarters.

So, while that may have been a factor, it was not the only factor. If the players were also not up for the game than that is also on the coaches.

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Browns88's picture

Agree...we are also fortunate Lane Kitten abandoned the run play calling in that game.  Regardless it was a great game.

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2morrow's picture

Rewatching that game, except for a couple of mid yardage runs, we had them bottled up most of the night. They couldn't sustain a drive with the run until late in the game.

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2morrow's picture

Exactly, and if not for some really stupid clock management, and horrible safety play at the end of the game, we win at least 42-28 if not worse. It was criminal that they even had a shot with a hail mary on the last play of the game. We outplayed them all game long - except for as you stated - the punter kept that score as close as it was.

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bucks15's picture

Bama has the 49th rush defense and 39th pass defense against previously noted mediocre competition.  Plus, they keep getting thinner in the secondary.

They’re great, but beatable. 

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Browns88's picture

Talk about mediocre.   I went to the Bama / Mercer game last year in a 75% full stadium.  When Bama plays the level of competition where I have to Google "Where is Mercer College" it truly justifies chicken shit Saturday before the Iron Bowl.   Now they play The Citadel.   I bet majority of 11 warriors have to Google where that is.   

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Rollin'85South's picture

I hate Bama just as much as the next guy but those numbers are skewed considering most all of the starters haven’t seen a down in the second half of every game so far this year. Their 2nd and 3rd string guys are getting tons of reps. 

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Hovenaut's picture

While I've seen very little of Bama so far this season, I get it - the aura of invincibility, the expected stroll straight to the title game, title defense etc.

Also agree, with the exception of QB, that 2002 Miami was a better team. They had flat out playmakers everywhere (offense and defense), where Bama seemingly has just with Tua.

I like the discussion, and it'd be great to see an undefeated Ohio State team seemingly beat the odds and take down the defending champs.
 

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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logamaniac's picture

I would say they're more comparable to the 2001 team than the 2002.  If they run the table this year and manage to keep most of their guys on board then next year will probably be pretty comparable to 2002.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

I would say they're more comparable to the 2001 team

That 2001 team had Najeh Davenport, Clinton Portis, Jeremy Shockey, Andre Johnson, Bryant McKinney, DJ Williams, Jonathan Vilma, Ed Reed, Phillip Buchanon. Sean Taylor, Kellen Winslow, Vince Wilfork and Antrel Rolle on it.  I don't see that level of talent on Bama's current roster (or any roster since 2001 honestly).

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I count a couple of NFLers on that team...s/

Wow. BTW, if you happen to catch any of Vilma’s halftime analyses when he’s in the studio (Fox, I think), he’s pretty high on OSU. It surprised me, frankly. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

I've noticed that too with Vilma, and he hates Ohio State. He has not been shy about that over the years, and hes very openly still bitter about that title game.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I’ve always respected Vilma for the way he played the game, personally.  To me, the only thing about that call they have to be truly angry about was how long it took for that flag to come out, but it was still a good call.  

If Miami really wants to be pissed about something, they should look in the mirror.  They weren’t prepared for that defense at all, and it showed from their first offensive snap. 

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logamaniac's picture

To be fair there are 5 players currently mocked to go in the first round this year from this bama team and that’s before including future talent like Moses. 

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Yeah, I just don't get how people make that assessment on the basis of 6 games with barely a challenge. Their toughest game was what, maybe the equivalent of @Indiana? (either @Ole Miss or home vs TAMU)

Their QB situation seems very similar to OSU's, except if you replaced Martell with a two year starter who got them to the NC game. So yeah, when they put in Hurts for Tua their offense continues to chew up inferior defenses. Shocking. And, with Tua on the field they run the clock, so the opposing offense doesn't get much time with the ball - hence the lopsided scores.

We won't really know anything about Bama until @LSU on Nov. 3. We'll see how their offense does then.

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RedQueenRace's picture

Alabama appears to be a cut above everyone else in a year where the other top teams have enough flaws to make it totally muddy after the Tide.  But this is not the same situation as 2002 Miami.

That is, the Tide looks to be better than everyone else not because they are invincible, but because of everyone else's weaknesses.

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buckeyes763's picture

Every year we go through this, how Alabama is leaps and bounds better than everyone. Then we get to the playoffs and the games are close or they lose. Bama is a top 3 team every year, but they are never in a class of their own in any given year. Never. But I hope they drink all this cool aid and their LBs get fat like in 2014, and they can be reduced to spectators when it comes down to the final two teams.

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infantrybuck's picture

They have never had a passing attack like this in the 5 previous championship teams.  I think that's why there's all the extra hype

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buckeyes763's picture

There isn’t extra hype, this happens every year. 

Mugs not like they’ve never had a QB before. In 2012 McCarron threw for almost 3000 yards and 30/3 TD/INT. Tua’s numbers will likely ease up at least a little bit once they play a defense.

He averaged 30 yards per completion last Saturday. That’s not the quarterback being great, that’s the defense being absolutely dreadful. I’m not saying he isn’t great, but his numbers have to be inflated playing against defenses like that. 

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Just a guess, but does the your fat linebacker comment refer to Trey DePriest?  Just asking for a friend. 

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infantrybuck's picture

I personally never get cought up the whole "this is the greatest team of all time" talk with any college football team in any year.  I remember during the 2004 season, people were saying Oklahoma was the possibly the greatest team ever when they were blitzkrieging all their opponents by like 8 touchdowns a game.  They got absolutely smoked by K State and LSU in their last two games and I told myself I would never listen to a single person ever again that uttered that phrase mid-season. 

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Clearly this year’s Michigan team is one of the greatest of all time.  Does that absurdity help?

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bd2999's picture

Yeah, honestly it is easier to tell those things when you are out of the moment. And even then, it is hard to tell who was the best. It is easier to make a group that contains the best title teams or the best teams to not win or whatever.

One of the hardest things in college football is figuring out how good a team is. Many teams are not challenged until mid season or later. Some are earlier but most will steam roll through early. At least the teams with the most talent and expectation. So it is really hard to figure things out before those games happen.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Way more talent at QB is about the only edge Bama has. That entire roster back ups included had 1st rounders everywhere.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Way too early in the season to determine anything like that. Alabama has half a season left with some challenges ahead. We shall see. As of right now, I am in the camp that they are not in 2002 Miami's league.

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OVBuckeye's picture

I don't think you can put Alabama anywhere near the 2002 Miami team. Alabama will have a chance to prove whether they are truly an elite team or if they just beat up on scrub teams. The problem for Alabama is, that by the time they get to play LSU and Auburn, the shine might be off those games too. When Alabama plays a team on the road that has a decent defense and can score some points, then we will learn something about them.

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Gmac44135's picture

Tua is a much better qb than Ken Dorsey, and the coaches are not even close to being comparable.  They have not versed a great team yet though, so the pundits already crowning them should slow down the hype.

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

But Miamis defense was an entire tier above alabamas. even before losing their best secondary, bamas back 7 hasn't looked good this year much like ours. Alabama's offense looks good but at home at A&M i saw them have a couple of 3 and outs. Let's see them on the road vs a decent opponent. their schedule so far has been laughably easy and i have no doubt OSU wouldve mopped their current schedule.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Discuss talent all you want, but you cannot include Nick Saban and Larry Coker in the same conversation without a really good sense of humor. If that 2002 Miami team was perhaps the most talented, it was definitely the most-undercoached. The only parallel I can think of is how Phi Slamma Jamma with Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon, et al lost the NCG in basketball to NC State. 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Only if Saban had left Bama this past offseason and his replacement was coaching would that scenario be possible (see Larry Coker). When Butch Davis left The U that essentially killed the football program until Richt took over. Saban's still at Bama unfortunately.

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

If it means they'll be beaten in the title game by the Buckeyes, then I'm all for it.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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BoomerangBuckeye's picture

A couple interesting facts, based on NCAA stats

Alabama's six opponents averages: 77th in Scoring offense and  91st in scoring defense (average score 56-16)

Ohio State's six opponents average  70th in scoring offense and 76th in scoring defense (average score 49-20)

They are good, but I want to reserve judgement - by the end of the season, Alabama will play 3 top 20 scoring defenses.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I believe Alabama is the 10th ranked rushing defense in the SEC as well. They are no unbeatable. Not unbeatable by any stretch. 

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

Semi-unrelated, but any time we have this conversation, I can't help but be angered all over again that the 2015 OSU team didn't play up to its potential--when we look back in 5-10 years, that may end up being the most talented college roster ever assembled.

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

as much as i like urban that season is on him. he tried to get way too cute. run the ball with elliott, zone read option with JT and play action passes off of that. terribly coached season.

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BuckIDave's picture

Nobody is a lock for a national championship when it is just 1 game, and not a series. Ohio State proved that in 2002 as a 13 point underdog.

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ZeroDimension's picture

Since the browns are tieing and sometimes winning, they can’t break out the standard X college team would

beat the browns. Lunacy.   

I think this bama team is better than 02 Miami,   02 miami was over hyped, and some football insiders said it before the game .  

The 01 miami team was legit, would like to see them versus 95 Nebraska.   2 of the best teams I’ve seen in my life time.  

Bama is no where near 01 miami, unless that secondary magically gets a lot better.  

But to be fair,  this osu team is not 02 Osu.  It is more like 05 OSU with a worse defense (at this point).   Every starter on 02 defense played in pros and some reserves.   I’d take that defense against anyone with Dantonio coaching it, including 95 Nebraska, and 01 miami.   That 02 defense created 5 turnovers against Miami.  our crappy offense and bad officiating made it closer than it ever should have been. 

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

02 miami was overhyped yes but they were still dominant and on a 36 win streak. Alabama has yet to play a good opponent especially on the road. Also, i spend some time on their sbnation and they're talking about how it might be the worst defense of the saban era. We need to wait for a few more games to be played until we make judgements.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I don't think a single person said Miami was overhyped in 2002. If one or two did, they were just trying to be different. That was one of the great teams in the history of CFB and they proved it in the NFL. 

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Buckeye_Since_1997's picture

I don't think Bama wins the NC this year. Saban had the preseason No. 1 team in 2010, 2013, and 2016 and didn't win. I might be wrong and they just bulldoze everyone in their path but this has been a trend. It's odd, Saban has won 2 NC's in seasons he didn't win his division and has fallen short when everyone thinks they'll roll right through.

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Il_Padrino's picture

They lose to LSU or Auburn and perhaps to both. 

They've played NO ONE.  NO ONE. 

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buckskin's picture

Saban >>>>>>> Coker. As much as I hate to say it.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

The difference is, Coker isn't coaching this Alabama team. Difference is, Craig Krenzel isn't quarterbacking this Ohio State team. Ohio State would have much more of a chance against this years Alabama team than that 2002 Miami team (going into the game). 

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aledyard's picture

Alabama may be the equivalent of Miami in 2002, but this version of Ohio State is no where near the caliber of the '02 squad, particularly on the defensive side of the ball (the back 7).  If we are lucky enough to make it to the playoff and play Alabama, we will get smoked. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

If we are lucky enough to make it to the playoff and play Alabama, we will get smoked. 

This sounds very 2002-esque........

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aledyard's picture

Agreed, but I had a lot of confidence in the '02 team throughout the season and going in to the game against Miami--I don't have that this year, not at all.  The defense on that '02 team might be the best we've ever had at OSU.  The defense this year, outside of the d-line, is soft and very beatable. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

This years Ohio State team probably beats that years Ohio State team by 17-24. Remember what happened the last time Urban Meyer and Jim Tressel faced off? 

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aledyard's picture

I disagree.  This year's team has struggled to move the ball against the two decent teams it's faced - Penn State and TCU.  The '02 defense of OSU was way better than either of those defenses and would be able to shut down the run and put pressure on Haskins--similar to what both Penn State and TCU did.  The OSU defense this year is not that good and I'm confident Clarett would have been able to carve them up for big numbers, while Krenzel would provide just enough in the passing game/QB runs. 

Meyer at Florida in '06 is a whole different animal than Meyer this year with Ohio State.  Meyer was hungry and actively involved in running the offense of the team with the read option, jump pass, etc.  Meyer is more of a game manager at this point.  There isn't anything on the offense this year that would resemble an Urban Meyer offense.  Outside of bringing in top recruits, I really don't see Meyer being as actively involved with the team this year, certainly not like he was in '06 or in his first years at Ohio State.  I think the same could be said for Tressel at the beginning of his career at Ohio State.  I guess my point is that the more apt comparison between Tressel and Meyer would be the '02 Tressel with the '06 Meyer --both were at the beginning of their careers and both were hungry.  If I had to pick a winner between '02 Tressel (OSU) and '06 Meyer (Florida), I would probably pick Meyer, but it would be close, not the 41-14 nightmare. 

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Calgarybuck's picture

Meyer is only a game manager when his headset is not on his head.

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