ESPN's "Bottom 10 Power 5 Football Programs" 3 of Them Are Big Ten Teams

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bucksfan92's picture

I don't ever read anything at espn because it's not really worth the time and effort, but Purdue and Nebraska aren't worse than Kansas or Oregon State. Or Cal, Wake, UNC and probably K-State.

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CincyOSU's picture

Have you watched Nebraska play this year? They're bad, real bad.

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infantrybuck's picture

I actually had no idea that Nebraska has something like 30 plus players leave/graduate and that they have 38 Freshman. Maybe we should have expected it.  They still have Morgan, Spielman, and Lindsey at WR, so I thought they would at least have a functioning offense, but apparently not.

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BuckeyeInNE's picture

Lindsey hasn’t done anything at Nebraska. My buddies absolutely hate him so far. Lots of drops and one bad muffed punt last week. 

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- Woody Hayes

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OSUBias's picture

He drops punts? No wonder he was so high on our board. 

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Dstacify's picture

Wasn't he a guy that OSU heavily recruited and lost to Nebraska years ago? I wonder how he'd be doing here amongst this receiving group now. This is a deep group of receivers no doubt but they had a lot of question marks over the last couple of years.

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NewPhilaFan's picture

I believe that he committed to the Buckeyes then something happened between Lindsay and his HS teammate Martell and he decommitted.

Let's Go Bucks

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Dstacify's picture

Frost was a hotshot young coach coming in who had just led UCF to an unbeaten season last year. Their belief was that his presence alone would trump the talent deficiencies they had and he would Gary Patterson his way to a respectable record anyways. Since that hasn't happened now unfortunately a lot of their fans are panicking and already jumping ship on Frost only 4 games into his tenure. The guy is a solid coach who is clearly in over his head right now (not entirely unlike Ash). The difference is Nebraska has the winning brand to come back from this eventually, it's just going to take some time. Rutgers doesn't have a winning brand at all and any coach there is always going to face an extreme uphill battle in recruiting with that program.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Feels pretty early to jump ship on a coach with a huge mountain to climb in front of him. For their sake, I hope they don't chase out a good coach too soon. 

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Dstacify's picture

Look at what FSU fans have been doing to Taggart this season. Granted 'Nole fans aren't exactly the most reasonable bunch but after 3 games into his tenure they wanted him gone. Granted I think Frost is a better coach than Taggart but they are similar situations. Nebraska is a proud program with a strong history of winning (though they haven't been nationally relevant for quite some time). Their fans are going to get impatient with the way things are going right now and Frost is an easy target.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

It's always different when you're on the inside. Still, from an outsider perspective, it's premature. You can waste a year and try to get another coach, but what are you gonna do when his first year isn't great either? Try again? It doesn't work like that. Can't recruit if the kids don't even know who they're going to play for. Lincoln is a hard enough place to get kids to go spend their college years.

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah...  they just lost by about 100.  And while they showed for a quarter or two against Colorado, that game went south.

No sane person can defend Rutgers.  If you told me they were the worst team in FBS, I'd say "yeah...  sounds about right."  I have no idea how they are that bad in year, what, three of Ash's tenure?

Purdue is probably debatable.  I think they're better than their record -- or, at least, more dangerous. 

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bigbadbuck's picture

A win over a top 25 club in Boston College and 3 losses by a total of 8 points .I realize they are 1-3, Boston College was a debatable top 25 program and narrow losses to Northwestern and Missouri I believe don't make them a bottom 10 football program.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

No sane person, who has actually watched any cfb games this year, puts Purdue in the Bottom 10. I realize they were trying to be cute with this edition of the Bottom 10, but cute doesn't have to be stupid. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Purdue will have the last laugh in this one. They're not a bad football team and will continue to improve this year. By year's end, I suspect they'll beat another ranked team. 

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Cal is 3-0 and ranked #24. Not sure why you're listing them with the likes of Purdue. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I was actually gonna say this. Someone obviously doesn’t get out much. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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bucksfan92's picture

For some reason I thought they got hammered by a G5 and hadn't won a game. I got all my P12 teams mixed up, should have said UCLA.

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PhillyNut's picture

He says it is an all Power 5 Bottom 10 then puts UTEP in at 10. Of course it is also the same guy who wrote the Urban story.

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dwcbuckeye's picture

Despite their record so far, I think Purdue is not a bad team.  Seems to have a heck of a QB

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CincyOSU's picture

Yea, I don't get that pick either. I almost think he picked teams based on how "funny" he could make the name sound.

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I’ve read the bottom ten since I was in college. It’s more about being funny than it is about being a true bottom ten. I have had some good laughs at it over the years. The “5” spot is always devoted to a team (or conference) that isn’t a bottom ten team, but one that has done something dumb. For example, last year when we lost to Iowa, we would have had canadacy for the 5th spot. I’m sure Florida got the spot when it lost to Kentucky for the first time in 35 years (or whatever it was).

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CptBuckeye24's picture

They just beat a ranked team in somewhat of a blow out.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

What should be more concerning is that two of those teams are already counted in OSU's stats, a third is coming in at the end of Oct, and a fourth arrives the first weekend in Nov.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Yep. Outside of Penn State, TCU, and (maybe) the Michigan teams our schedule is soft as butter

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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bd2999's picture

Yeah, but not something you can control. It is possible that Maryland and Minnesota will be better than expected but not world beaters or anything.

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Knarcisi's picture

There's really no one with a stellar schedule.  Schedule TCU, play Sparty, PSU, and scUM in division, and win the conference championship game is all we need to, and should need to do.  Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, ND and anyone contending for the CFP can't claim at all to a better schedule than us.  Maybe LSU or Auburn.  

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analyticalguy's picture

Can't argue with the 3 Big Ten teams being included (I just don't understand how Rutgers isn't THE worst), but don't follow all of college football so as to have an opinion about the other 7.

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westy81585's picture

I would contest Purdue being on that list.  

I know they're 1-3, but the three losses are by a combined 8 points and they've looked improved.  Not saying they're world beaters, but bottom 10 is an exaggeration IMO. 

Nebraska gets the 1st year rebuild excuse. 

Rutgers though... yah they're all kinds of bad.   

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JarheadBuck's picture

I agree.  Rutgers clearly belongs on the list.  Neb. can be on the list just because they are a traditional power, but didn't look too bad against Col. and not terrible versus Troy (considering they played a walk-on QB).  However, there are a bunch of teams that should make the list before Purdue.  For example:

UCONN
UTEP
New Mex St
San Jose St
Texas St
Georgia St
Tulsa
Western Ky
Middle Tn
UTSA
Old Dom
Louis-Laf
Southern Al
Northern Ill
Central Mi
Charlotte
Rice
Miami OH
Bowling Green
Kent St.
FAU
UCLA
Col St
Oregon St
Ark

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Have you seen the HUGE numbers being given up by UCONN? It’s crazy. They have given up miles, not yards. Opponents are averaging over ten yards a play. 

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Buckeyes01752's picture

My uncle and cousin went to UConn so my whole family likes them. I love that they suck. 

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Turban Meyer's picture

The whole idea of the column was to put together a list of Power 5 Bottom 10, so a lot of your teams would not make the cut on that criteria. 

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

One thing I like about this article is that the author is big enough to (rightfully) roast himself for saying Chad Morris was a great hire for Arkansas before the season started

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Elks' comb over's picture

Did ESPN hate on OSU in the article?

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

They implied it, by including our opponents on the list.

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milhouse4588's picture

Rutgers and Nebraska are awful. I haven't watched enough of Purdue to really know.

We can't help our schedule strength and how bad these teams are. As long as we win it doesn't matter.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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infantrybuck's picture

Are any of you surprised that Rutgers is this bad in Ash's year 3.  I am for sure. NJ has talent and I though he was changing the culture but it appears nothing has changed.  They are Baaaaaaadddd.

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bd2999's picture

I think they have gotten worse. Did they get their QB back? I do not pay much attention, other than them getting blown out every week.

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westy81585's picture

I wasn't expecting them to be competing for the East or anything, but I am stunned they're not even in 6-6 territory.  

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Jdadams01's picture

Something on that team broke in the Kansas game. They came out and beat TX State and obviously accepted getting pounded by OSU, but in the Kansas game they seemed into it initially. Then they basically quit in the 2nd quarter. It was strange to watch, the team seemed like they just quit the season in the second quarter of game three. Which is definitely on Ash and the staff, the players checking out means they've lost faith.

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bd2999's picture

Purdue is a stretch to me. The other two should be down there.

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SackMan's picture

Purdue just DESTROYED a ranked team and their other 3 losses are from a combined 8 points. They have had a pretty tough schedule so far. They are no where near a bottom 10 team. The other two however, I will not defend. Rutgers and Nebraska have looked pathetic.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

I also disagree with Purdue being on this list. They're not that bad. 

That being said, they will most likely finish 5-7. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Dstacify's picture

I just don't want to see OSU pull an Iowa when we travel out to West Lafayette to play them in a few weeks. We're obviously a superior team but OSU has struggled in that stadium over the years and they're absolutely NOT a team that should be overlooked.

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CincyBuck's picture

I mean, that's what everyone is thinking, right?  And Purdue looks just good/dangerous enough for that not to be the most asinine worry in the world.

Frigging West Lafayette, man.  Something about that place...

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Dstacify's picture

They've lost two out of the last three they've played at Ross-Ade. Though I guess we did absolutely slaughter them when we played them in West Lafayette in 2013 but that was a significantly worse Purdue team than this year's group (it's no secret how horrible Darrell Hazell's tenure as HC at Purdue was). That's a game we absolutely need to be wary of. Even Minnesota and Indiana, though we play them at home, are having good seasons. We don't really get into the easiest part of B1G play until after Purdue when we have Nebraska at home then we have to follow that up with trips to East Lansing and College Park before the Game. No part of our B1G schedule this year really looks all that easy aside from Rutgers (obviously), Nebraska, and Maryland. There are unfortunately potential Iowas all over the place on this year's schedule.

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Johnny Amerikos's picture

I used to always enjoy reading The Bottom 10 when I used to visit ESPN. For what it's worth, The Bottom 10 article was always done in jest, the #5 spot is a special one for... If I recall correctly, a good team that is vastly under-performing or someone who was supposed to be good, but isn't.

I always found it to be a nice break away from all of the toxic comments and polarizing subjects. I guess they don't have comment sections anymore.

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RBloodworth's picture

This is kind of tricky, because most Power 5 programs have had spots in the last 20 years when they've had good teams.  That said, if we're going on the last 5 years, I'd go:

1. Rutgers, 2. Kansas, 3. Illinois, 4. Iowa State, 5. Syracuse, 6. Purdue, 7. Iowa State, 8. Oregon State, 9. Wake Forest, 10. Vanderbilt

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OSUBias's picture

You are really down on Iowa State. 

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CptBuckeye24's picture

Uconn has been pretty awful too. They have gone 17-44 in the last 5 years too. Virginia is not too far off this list either.

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Turban Meyer's picture

Wake Forest is 17-13 over the past 3 seasons. Vandy has been better, too, but just 20-33 in the past five. 

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Dstacify's picture

Purdue is starting to come into their own now that David Blough is playing at a high level (and they have a bright, up and coming coach in Jeff Brohm) but Nebraska and Rutgers are indeed bad. It's going to take a few years for Frost to turn that program around given how much it sank into the ground during Mike Riley's tenure as HC and Rutgers is not a football-driven school, never really has been. Ash obviously has made mistakes as HC there but he walked into a bad situation from the beginning.

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blocko330's picture

I honestly couldn't possibly care less if the whole bottom ten consisted of teams on our schedule.  You win your games, you win your conference, and don't lose to a team like Iowa and you're in.  You don't have to do all three of those but 2outa3 will punch a ticket to the CFP.

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah; I agree.  I'm not sure strength of schedule/conference ever really mattered for the CFP.  I'd rather play a garbage-ass schedule than a tough one, if getting to the CFP is the goal.

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jpfbucks01's picture

my rankings would also be based on how their respective units played and hence since The Beavers have actually been averaging 32 points a game on offense i cant put them at the bottom

my bottom 5 would be in no particular order, (Rutgers, UCLA, Nebraska, UNC and Arkansas)

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

That is a solid, and by that I mean wholly terrible, group of teams right there. 

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kmp10's picture

Ryan McGee's (I'd never heard of him prior to suffering through this piece) writing is reminiscent of conversations I had with buddies in 7th grade. Pur-don't, Ar-kant-saw, Florida-duh-state. What a dope... and Purdue is not a bottom ten team. 

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CptBuckeye24's picture

Bottom 10 to calculate is difficult because we rarely see the bottom feeders in the G5 play.  But with that being said, these teams are pretty bad:

  • Texas State
  • UTEP
  • Rutgers
  • San Jose State
  • New Mexico State
  • Uconn
  • Bowling Green
  • UTSA
  • Rice 
  • Central Michigan
  • Ball State
  • Kent State
  • Charlotte
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Turban Meyer's picture

The column starts out as "Its 56-10 loss to Michigan was the worst beatdown in Nebraska history since July 27, 1804,"

Recency bias at work. Doesn't anyone at ESPN recall 62-3? It was just 2 years ago! 

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osu_killernuts's picture

I'm sure ESPN meant it was the worst beatdown in the Scott Frost era (hahaha!)

No such thing as a bad win

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wojodta's picture

Rutgers is probably the worst power 5 team. I think Ash may be gone after this year.

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BengalBuck's picture

Fuck Espin and the bias they rode in on...they'll not get me to click one of their links ever again....I'm over them & you should be too...

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Grisle's picture

The other two are probably right but no way in hell is Purdue as bad as their record. They've lost 3 games by a combined 8 pts and just beat unbeaten BC. Espin is full of idiots.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Purdue just beat the then ranked #23 team in the country, Boston College. In the SEC that’s a quality win that is highlighted throughout the season. With Purdue, it is omitted 

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CincyOSU's picture

1) This article was meant to be taken in jest.

2) They also have two SEC teams on the list

3) They have an entire division of the ACC, plus Florida State on the list.

This is nothing to get upset about.

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allinosu's picture

Take it easy Cincy. Everybody knows how you feel.

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CincyOSU's picture

So everyone else can share their flawed opinions, but I can’t share mine? Got it. 

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allinosu's picture

You are really coming off as an ESPN employee. It's one thing to express your opinion but to battle everyone on the board every time this comes to the front is obsessive. I'm not on their band wagon but I can honestly see bias bias on ESPN's reporting. I have excepted that and stay off their channel. Reporters who work for them represent them which you claim is separate. They are their voice. Just one example (which is awhile back because I don't watch them much now) OSU had a close game and reporters were claiming we we're not that good and the very next week Alabama had a closer game against a much less opponent and the very same ESPN reporters were on and on about how they had the heart of a champion to pull that game out. There is bias and we all see it so your rants just makes you look bad and others have made you a joke.

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CincyOSU's picture

I’m not talking about their bias, I’m talking about people who actually believe ESPN wants to harm the OSU brand(although in this case I DID respond to a post about SEC bias but my response was factual and others have said essentially the same thing). 

You know what, they can think I’m a joke all they want. I feel the same way towards them. 

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FTWinfrey08's picture

Purdue could easily be 4-0 right now. 

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Fatpants's picture

The Bottom 10 is meant to be a list of really, really bad teams, and also bad teams worthy of dishonorable mention. 

It shouldn’t be looked at as a declaration of the ten absolute worst teams. 

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sb97's picture

I think some people take the tongue in cheek bottom 5 a bit too seriously. 

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OVBuckeye's picture

My issue with the Bottom 10 is he lumped the ACC Coastal all in at #5. There are at least 3 or 4 worthy teams just in that division.

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BrutusB's picture

FWIW, Sagarin rates all Div I teams.  UTEP is currently the worst FBS team (197 overall) and Rutgers is the worst P5 team (145).

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seafus26's picture

I agree with Rutgers

Go Bucks and michigan STILL SUCKS!

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seafus26's picture

I’d put michigan on this list, just because. Go Bucks!

Go Bucks and michigan STILL SUCKS!

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