How is Buckeye Jack Not Back Yet?

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shawn kemps kids's picture

Because it's September and Richard Lagow isn't cashing an NFL paycheck like BJ promised. Weirdest hill to die on, but die he did.

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LCT's picture

OK, maybe not ALL of his QB takes.......

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bucknut1994's picture

Nah the worst was going down swinging with Zach "Sex Toy" Smith because he was some football guru and we were all too dumb to see it.

#94Ways

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LCT's picture

I said QB takes not WR coach takes.

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CALPOPPY's picture

I said QB takes not WR coach takes.

They were the same thing, though. All of his arguments were tied together.

Memento mori

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LCT's picture

Did he get banned? He was a firestarter no doubt but not a jerk. He always took the arrows with dignity.

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LoufromOSU's picture

Account appears to still be active, fwiw.  https://www.elevenwarriors.com/users/buckeye-jack

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Knarcisi's picture

Except when he threatened to sue the website and everyone that "bullied" him.  

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OSU jamez's picture

Not change the subject, and typically Im a big supporter of your takes LCT, but why did you jump all over Urban back at the begginning of the whole Zach Smith debacle? I never understood that

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LCT's picture

Because I think Urban let the university down by giving Earle Bruce's grandson preferential treatment that nobody else on staff would have gotten.

I like & admire Urban Meyer but I think he had a terrible blind spot to Zach for loyalty to Earle and it ended up being a big black eye for the university.

But....that shit's over and I hope we kill everyone on the schedule and win a national championship this year.

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OSU jamez's picture

I can respect that. I just had a very strong reaction of surprise to see you type “Fire Meyer” back when shit was hitting the fan. 

All the best 

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LCT's picture

Go Bucks, Michigan Sucks

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LCT's picture

You know Jack was a great contributor.

By the way, Shaq in that gif is priceless. What were they talking about that got that reaction from him?

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

You know Jack was a great contributor.

You just made me snort my coffee.

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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LCT's picture

That guy lit this place up like no other simply by offering his opinion on our QB situation.

And in hindsight....really hard to say he was "wrong," in my view.

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Skunk bear blood's picture

I'm thinking he back soon.
legal stuff and what not
 

IT. WAS. A. FUMBLE.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

I believe it was more complicated than that, LCT.  

While I know you enjoyed the entertainment of Jack... it was (IMO) his penchant for doubling down on bad takes and pushing it too far with people. He ignored counter arguments that were solid, or what people were actually saying.  

The conversations usually devolved not because of his takes per se (though some were big reaches) but rather his tactics. From my perspective, that was frustrating.

I think he had some good takes and generally there was at least some degree of truth in most of them.  However, those were obfuscated by approach, which is unfortunate. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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LCT's picture

Good points here. Tact matters.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Some debates are complicated and I realize the medium of a forum has it’s limitations. Nuance is lost. People often move to extremes of black and white. Picking sides, etc.  then it gets to doubling down and as-hominem arguments. I can usually see both sides.

Part of the reason I enjoy being a 12w is for some more reasoned arguments and of course, the humorous banter. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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Earle's picture

You're not fooling anyone.  You know it's because of the puns.

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allinosu's picture

Agreed but some of it went both ways. He was right about JT for the most part and it offended many and it grew from there. Even some mods were getting in on it. It APPEARED to me he got frustrated which led to his demise. 

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LCT's picture

There was both provocation AND piling on. It takes two opposing forces to cause friction -- Jonah Hill's wise words in Night At The Museum 2

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

In part, he was right about some aspects of JtB’s game but that was always the problem.  Most people who supporterd JTB agreed with some of those points (like arm strength)...but he couldn’t accept nuance.

He couldn’t accept anything less than 100% agreement on any take. No amount of actual expert opinion from coaches or former players... nothing.

That did lead to piling on sometimes because people would come in and try to reason with him but he’d keep doubling down and creating straw man arguments or moving the goal posts. 

The tactics obfuscated some good points that he made.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Survey says...NUMBER ONE ANSWER.

ShawneeBuck Family controls the board. 

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allinosu's picture

For the most part the back and forth was with those who would accept anything less than 100% all in with JT. Sure there were some who would agree on some points but just by looking at the misuse of DVs because he didn't feel the same way shows it was as broad as it was wide. Look I didn't agree with most of his tactics but I didn't like some of the other side either. 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Allinosu... 

I agree that everyone else wasn't always perfect.  Regarding the JTB debate I was one of the staunchest JTB supporters -- but regularly acknowledged his limitations in throwing the football. He was an excellent college QB & read/option QB. He has average arm strength and (after 2014) waited too long to throw the football -- afraid to make a mistake. 

I honestly can't think of any main JTB supporter that didn't hold a similar take. I'm sure there were some, but they never wreaked havoc on the boards.  Most of the board supporters and skeptics had rational takes/thoughts about the issue. I respected those even who felt like Haskins or Burrow should get a shot because they usually provided some solid reasons even if I disagreed with the position.  

Conversely, there were a few very loud folks in the JTB is trash camp that would pile on even when he was doing well (like PSU last year). There was no nuance on that end, IMO.  WRs dropping some of his perfectly placed deep passes regularly? Two years of offensive coordinator ineptitude (made NFL talent look terrible in 2015)?  NAH. It was all JTBs fault for that crowd. Jack was one of those people. Those are the kind of points he'd never accept. He wasn't the only one, but he's been the main one. As I said, it obfuscated some of his good points...which was a shame because he brought some good points to the table at times. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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bucknut1994's picture

That guy lit this place up like no other simply by offering his opinion on our QB situation.

And in hindsight....really hard to say he was "wrong," in my view.

No he wasn't. If you told him the sky was blue he would argue with you and then complain that he ( a 65 year old man) is getting cyber bullied and he's contacting an attorney. His shit got old years ago. 

#94Ways

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LCT's picture

Attorney? I missed that. I don't support that.

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Fatpants's picture

Yes. Threatened legal action (assuming against 11w) as the final recourse against the vicious cyber bullying he was being subjected to. 

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LoufromOSU's picture

I got a copy of a call to an attorney that B J made a few years ago when he was in an accident. 

https://youtu.be/QhjBlPucpd0

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allinosu's picture

I missed that one also. WOW.

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lamplighter's picture

It's cold in Siberia - affects all sorts of things

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GoBucks10's picture

Really?

I hate the offseason.

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LCT's picture

Definitely. If Jack was ever to make a comeback, this is the time.

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logamaniac's picture

The Buckeye Jack account was a total knob.  He’s probably still on here with a dupe as it seems the other trolls are doing that. 

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

Not possible, jack was not able to lay low. He would have been a smoking gun at this point. 

I do miss having a certified villain/opposition. Every good story has one. 

He didnt bother me. He had takes a every now and again let it run his day. Like hours of it. Lol. 

We move forward... without a BJ. Such is life.

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Jumar's picture

It was fun to watch Jack and 710 argue.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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LCT's picture

710's another one. Where's that guy?

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Skunk bear blood's picture

Didn't 710 come back as Silvio Dante?......now Silvio.....he gone

IT. WAS. A. FUMBLE.

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LCT's picture

I did not make that connection but it's a possibility I'd say. Dante was good too.

What's up w/ these Bailers? These Buckeyes are on a title run.

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Jumar's picture

Silvio outted himself as 710. Breadman admitted to being Bassdropper. Both were promptly booted.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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LCT's picture

Well that was dumb.

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analyticalguy's picture

Yeah. If you come back with an alias, while behaving yourself to a degree (maybe they weren't) so as not to get the new identity banned, why out yourself?

(so now you know why I behave myself)

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BeatTTUN's picture

Hey Jumar what's up Dude? 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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Jumar's picture

Have been crazy busy with work and LJ1s soccer lately.

How's it going people's MOD?

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Mastro16's picture

LJ1s soccer

you named your kid LeBron James?

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Fatpants's picture

It’s going well, thanks for asking. 

PG <3 PG

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BeatTTUN's picture

It’s grrrrrrrreat! 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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KBonay's picture

How's it going people's MOD?

Im good, thanks for asking. Traveling abroad at the moment. 

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Earle's picture

A little tired from last night, how's your brood?

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CALPOPPY's picture

How's it going people's MOD?

Doin' well. Thanks for asking.

Memento mori

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Byaaaahhh's picture

I must have missed 710 getting banned; what for? Didn't seem like that much of a provocateur, which seems to be what most people get banned around here for.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Silvio outted himself as 710. Breadman admitted to being Bassdropper. Both were promptly booted.

Did anyone ever cop to being KateUptonsLowerBack? Man I gotta put down the ps4 sticks and get in the premium lounge more often after hours

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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BuckeyeCrusdader's picture

I'm all for bringing back BuckeyeJack.. truth is, without him, ya'll are boring. Save for Spooner

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Hovenaut's picture

May your heart go on.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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LCT's picture

This is A+ stuff, Hove.

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Hovenaut's picture

I don't usually take requests, but will make an exception here...not to worry.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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BeatTTUN's picture

Perfect Hove

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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BeatTTUN's picture

BuckeyeJack is caddying for Sharma this week at the Tour Championship.

He's very busy. 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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bucknut1994's picture

Sharma isn't gonna make the cut, he'll have plenty of time this weekend. 

#94Ways

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allinosu's picture

He had the guts to say that which wasn't popular. That which many were thinking.

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Fatpants's picture

That wasn’t his issue. It was demeaning and condescending attitude he’d display toward anyone that dared to disagree. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

And the straw man arguments he used to prove his points combined with gross inconsistencies. 

During the Great Debate of 2015, I can remember him posting things like Jones was the better option at QB (despite the team’s lackluster performances), but that the playcalling wasn’t supporting his strengths. He may have been right. But in 2016, when many of us were disgusted with The Beckinner’s playcalling, Jack would insist the problem was all Barrett. 

Never would he consider that it might have been a bit of both. Everything was Barret’s fault. 

I can also remember him flat out refusing to acknowledge that Jones’s success in the title run had anything to do with lack of tape on him, the improvement in the O line and Elliot as a runner, or all the games being indoors on turf. He never acknowledges anyone else’s input if it runs counter to his proposed reality. 

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LCT's picture

He has very thick skin, which I respect.

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Fatpants's picture

Does he? Because he sure is quick to start calling names and complain that he’s being “bullied”. 

PG <3 PG

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LCT's picture

OK, he has thick skin sometimes and not thick skin other times.

Maybe the word I'm looking for is persistent.

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analyticalguy's picture

That is certainly a word that fits.

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bucknut1994's picture

Or turn off voting/comments in threads, write letters to Jason when he doesn't get his way, etc

#94Ways

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allinosu's picture

We are endanger of offending the mob. Yes, he went overboard more times than be counted but it was nice to hear the other side of things. He became a joke of some pretty funny stuff and it would be best not to take him so seriously. 

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Mastro16's picture

You mean like Parris Campbell being a historically good catcher of the football

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Catch Rate: ELITE

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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Mastro16's picture

Setting NFL records before even getting drafted

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Mastro16's picture

Jack was picked to join Zach Smith’s legal team, but unfortunately they informed him he had to stop commenting on forum sites. 

BuckeyeJack vs. Courtney Smith, the battle for truth of the modern era

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Triv's picture

I mean... he said Burrow and Haskins were the best 2 QBs in the NCAA and Burrow was the 2nd coming of Tom Brady. Burrow is undefeated, but has looked FAR from Brady-esque. 

His QB take on Haskins was shared by the vast majority of the fanbase

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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LCT's picture

Would you not agree that this offense is far more efficient and fun to watch with Haskins at the helm than it was with JTB? I know this is 2018 and that was 2017 but many of the cast are the same and we're not jamming our QB into the line of scrimmage for 3 or so yards every other play anymore.

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Fatpants's picture

I think fate had to remove Urban from the playcalling for three games before he saw the value in letting the qb throw the ball. 

PG <3 PG

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LCT's picture

I agree.

I also think it's good for Urban - and the team - that he doesn't have that crutch anymore. Spread those wings & fly.

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Triv's picture

See the second half of my post. Was there anyone who WASN'T expecting a vast improvement in our passing offense this year?

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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irishfury's picture

Why do you think our 5 draft eligable WR decided to come back.  When Not one of them went pro that told me all I needed to know.

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Earle's picture

Let's reserve judgment on the offense until after Penn St.

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

Harsh critic Earle.

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Earle's picture

Not critical at all, just recognizing that Oregon St., Rutgers, and pretty much any defense in the Big XII aren't the best measuring sticks for offense.

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

I don’t think TCU is a soft D and oSU isn’t horrid... 

I am sold, I think Haskins is great. Our catching was sub par VS TCU. 

jk/Weber we know are good.

Are you skeptical of our QB play,our play calling, our talent at WR, or our blocking?

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Earle's picture

Not skeptical, just cautious.  Maybe that's mincing words, but everything is relative.  I saw chinks in the gilded armor of Haskins in the first half against his only real competition thus far in Dallas.  I think he's a great passer with a clean pocket and open receivers.  WR play was obviously not great against TCU.  RBs have been impressive, but O line has been sketchy at times against less-than-stellar opposition.  Can't complain against the play-calling for the most part, but it's easier to call plays when you have a big talent edge.  I think the Buckeyes have had that in every game, include TCU.

My point is: You really don't know what you have until you're tested, and the offense will surely be tested in Happy Valley.  Here's to them passing the test.

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

Bosa's injury aside, I think getting Penn State early this year is helpful.  It (hopefully) won't be 50 degrees or below at kickoff, the track will probably be fast, hands will be warm, etc.  

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

I get ya. I tend to be a Buckeye critic a lot (see my JTB takes). Haskins is def not gonna be a guy that is able to move much. He looked very statue like vs TCU. My biggest offensive worry is play calling once the big guy is back on the side line. Easy to call your game when your not in arms reach, much more difficult when your eye to eye and being told during the time out what your gonna run. Hope that Urban lets it go however. The line does ok, to me. Our pass blocking has looked better than our run block. The snap is also a concern in my eyes, especially due to the fact that Haskins has limited ability to escape a rush. 

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Kangarooman's picture

What exactly were those chinks? Did you see his passer rating against pressure?

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Why don't you ask him the next time you're in the clink?

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LCT's picture

Because the clink is a figurative Internet thing. It's not real. You don't really go to jail for anything that happens here.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Because the clink is a figurative Internet thing. It's not real. You don't really go to jail for anything that happens here.

You cannot fault NorCal for not knowing that...he has never been there.

Memento mori

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Yet.

Maybe LCT can be my incarceration mentor. If you want to be the best, you have to learn from the best.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

Because you haven't logged into your other account 

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LCT's picture

No sir. This is my one & only. If I ever got banned I'd just walk away. I'll never get banned though.

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LCT's picture

I've never understood the appeal of multiple accounts. Internet forums are kind of a waste of time as it is, having several accounts compounds that.

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Hovenaut's picture

(Somewhere, 9Route sits, smiles, then hollers up to mom on the status of the meatloaf)
 

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

The problem wasn't Jack, the problem is that people like to egg on others to create conflict.  Jack couldn't get in an argument by himself. 

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

Sometimes i wonder this point. 

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Earle's picture

The way he continually shifted his narrartive, I think he could.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Respectfully, disagree BuckeyeIn NY.  I

The forums are a conversation. So it takes more than one person.

 Jack would both start and jump into conversations with some very hot takes and he held to either 100% agree with him or you're wrong. People would regularly jump in and say things like, "while I agree that you've got a point about...... XXXXX..... I also see this, that, or the other thing."  Jack would proceed to double down.  Then create a straw man.  AND when he had no place else to go, he'd move the goalpost/change the conversation.  

Now, if people ignored him altogether - maybe it would have settled down. But then, that's not the point of forums/conversations. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

I hear you Shawnee, but as many around here say, don't feed the trolls.  How many times has Sharma or Lagow been brought up in random threads?  

All I am saying is that everyone played right into Jack's hands.  He got exactly what he wanted, which was to ruffle feathers, then play the poor me card.  

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Very good points!  Sometimes it did just go too far with the piling on about things like Sharma and Lagow. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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Buckeyejohn's picture

BuckeyeJack was a prophet:

1. Haskins has rejuvenated our offense

2. Burrow has made LSU relevant again

3. J.T. was just released from the lowly practice squad

-Jack must have forgotten to pay the internet bill 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Buckeye Jackohn

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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Buckeyejohn's picture

This made me chuckle. Upvote for you good sir!

Jack’s problem was how he approached things. His hot takes on JT turned out to be true but he couldn’t handle the art of civil debate. Then he decided to stick out his neck for Lagow.....

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

4. Richard Lagow is getting paid by....... wait nevermind.

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McBane's picture

5. Sharma is the second coming of Tiger Woods

Just keep winning!

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allinosu's picture

The one thing he was adamant about was the deep ball threat was needed for Urban's offense to be unstoppable. On the other hand what offense wouldn't benefit from that.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Guy tried to give me a dumpster full of shit for saying the spring game is pretty much for entertainment. I'm sure the staff will show their hand in April so everyone can get a jump on game planning.

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osu992's picture

If Buckeye Jack is Barabbas, who is Jesus?

If Buckeye Jack is Jesus, who is Barabbas?

Discuss.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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GoBucks10's picture

I'm more concerned about which of the disciples matches to each MOD.

I hate the offseason.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I thought he went by B.A. and not BJ?

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GoBucks0477's picture

Loves Causing Trouble

Likes Controversial Trolls

Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else.

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