Belichick Book Mentions Urban’s Take on Hernandez

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

The way it is worded in the article could imply that Urban wanted the Patriots to get him and was discouraging other teams from drafting.  I sincerely doubt that actually happened, but it is concerning that he both fell to the 4th round and that the Patriots were the team to get him.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Exactly my thought.  It definitely leaves you with the feeling Meyer devalued Hernandez so the Patriots could get him for a steal in a later round.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I didn't take it that way at all. I think Meyer was telling it straight.

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

I do too, but the anonymous staffer from an NFL team didn't think so.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Interesting. If you're referring to the statement "I never understood that", we may be confused by what he's referring to by "that."  I took him to mean Belichick drafting Hernandez. I think you took it to mean Meyer saying that to the coach.

In the immortal words of Daffy Duck, "Pronoun trouble."  Not sure who's interpretation is correct.

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SEQUOIA473's picture

Having been stationed there more than a handful of times, I found the comments about his father in Okinawa more interesting. Curious at to where the O club was located back then? Possibly White Beach? 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Could be.  After WWII, there were so many bases, it could've been anywhere.  IIRC, when we turned over Okinawa in '72 to the Japanese (Okinawans are still pissed about that blunder), I think we shut down a lot of the occupation bases. 

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Wargor's picture

I'm interested in history, so what was the blunder?  Should we have gone for independence for them?  I don't really know that story.

I do wonder if cold war calculus played a part though.

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SEQUOIA473's picture

I’m sure it had something to do with it. Okinawa’s don’t consider themselves Japanese and the feeling is reciprocated by the Japanese. They’re more closely related to mainland China than anyone. Nearly their whole existence they’ve been subjected to conquering. For two plus decades talk was had that we’d move entirely to Guam or Australia. Neither has fully happened. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Sequoia hit the gist of it.  The Ryukyu Islands were ruled by an ethnically unique group until the Japanese conquered portions of the islands in the 1600s and eventually annexed the entire chain of islands, including the largest (Okinawa) in the 1800's. It was then that the Japanese deposed the previous monarchy.  They also went about systematically eliminated all indigenous culture (language, religion, cultural practices) in an effort to force them to assimilate to Japanese culture.

Okinawa is a beautiful place with a proud people and unique history.  They were surprised when the US handed the islands back over to Japan, mistakenly thinking we were "liberating" them from Japan.

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Wargor's picture

Interesting.  So now I wonder about my other theory, cold war politics.  Japan being rather strategically important for us in the far east, did we screw up, or make a geo-political calculus that looks worse in hindsight (like so many other cold-war decisions we made).  

From a real-politik standpoint, we would have an easier time keeping bases in a defeated enemy's territory that we had made happy by returning the territory vs. keeping them in a newly independent nation that had much less (if any) culpability in WWII.  

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SEQUOIA473's picture

Naha port or White Beach would’ve been my guess. The whole island is amazingly a battlefield, which most folks don’t realize. 

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logamaniac's picture

maybe the article was edited when I read it because now it just says that Urban told at least one team to avoid Hernandez and that the source for that anecdote was surprised the Patriots took a shot at him in the 4th round.  

Source didn't mention any indication of misinformation on Meyers behalf.  

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Dmac3212's picture

I live In MA and the take around these parts is that it was misinformation. 

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FitzBuck's picture

“But does he know where the bodies are buried?”

Brent Mcmurphy - probably 

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avail31678's picture

According to text messages that McMurphy will soon produce to Shelley from Hernandez's victims, Urban prolly knows.  

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Bucksknowwhatitis's picture

Interesting.. do you guys think Urban knew he'd murder someone?

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HandsOfSweed's picture

But of course he did, silly! Dontcha know Urban knows everything and says nothing? I mean, he knew about DV on his staff for almost a decade and said nothing! Geez, what a scumbag. (Did I miss anything, lol?)

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Not only did Urban know Hernandez was a bad apple, he taught him how to use a gun, the most effective round for the job, and how to use a silencer. Urban is very thorough. Can't help it if Hernandez was sloppy in the execution (so to speak) of the task.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

How has he "never caught the guy"? I didn't pay much attention to this when it happened, but they couldn't drug test him? Or was that the part where Hernandez knew how to beat the system?

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bedheadjc's picture

I read it as they were testing him but he knew how to beat the system and passed that info on to his fellow players.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

I hope he had just seen Gattaca and got everyone buying pee bags and taping them to their inner thighs lol

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740Buckeye740's picture

Probably about the beating the system part. 

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Bristol24's picture

Urban:  "Don't f---ing touch that guy."

We know how that ended...

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Will be spun as "See, Urban knew Hernandez was a bad person, but didn't stop him playing him to win games anyway."

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MichiBuck12's picture

I read that comment on the Yahoo article this morning no less than a dozen times. Pretty much word for word.

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Hovenaut's picture

Moved to Other Sports (more NFL than college).

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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Kshed's picture

I didn't read it as Urban trying to get him to the Patriots. I read it in the context of how he has handled the this whole Zach Smith fiasco. If he had concrete evidence, he would have done something about it.

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JCam061588's picture

I saw that, I was going to make a post about that myself. Interesting, I don’t think he deliberately trekked to get him to the Patriots, I wouldn’t be shocked however if he felt that Bill was the only coach he felt could handle him. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Who cares about Hernandez, I zeroed in on this little gem:

One New England assistant said the general feeling among staff members around that time wasn't that Belichick's system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks out of all 32 NFL starters. "But if you gave us any of the top 15, we could do it," the assistant said. "I don't think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don't."

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Bucksknowwhatitis's picture

add UofM fans into that list with Kraft. 

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Floyd Stahl's picture

Add Lloyd Carr to that list with the Patriots coaches.

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allinosu's picture

I find that funny since he had to leave there to be worth a shit.

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ChicagoBuckeye10's picture

Urban Meyer/Aaron Hernandez

While coaching at Florida, Urban Meyer warned at least one NFL team that it should not draft his talented but troubled tight end, Aaron Hernandez. Meyer told that team, "Look, this guy's a hell of a football player, but he f---ing lies to beat the system and teaches all our other guys to beat the system. With the marijuana stuff, we've never caught this guy, but we know he's doing it. ... Don't f---ing touch that guy." An official with that NFL team said he was taken aback when Meyer's friend, Belichick, drafted Hernandez in the fourth round. "I never understood that," the official said.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I feel like it shouldn’t be that big of a shock to that NFL official. The Patriots have always believe they could take players with red flags and turn them around. Hell, they just signed Josh Gordon.

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BuckminsterFullback's picture

Josh Gordon has enough red flags to source a Christo installation.

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logamaniac's picture

I think I disagree with you.  I don't think the patriots think they can turn anyone around, but instead they make the most of the guys they pick up at cut-rate prices.  Like an ideal function of the Mike Brown philosophy *and they don't comprise a majority of their team on those types of players.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

The Patriots don't have a magic wand that turns troubled players into team players. Bill just tells them if they want to win a Super Bowl and land a big payday with all the bonuses then don't fuck up. You do, you're done. No second chances here. I run this team. That seems to resonate a lot more. And yes, they get the most out of the players they get but mostly thats because Bill always has the best assistants.

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logamaniac's picture

Yeah and they also keep the amount of those players at a minimum so as to not dictate the chemistry of the "patriot way".  

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BuckeyeJay's picture

Urban also warned Belichick that the Patriots are too close to Hernandez's hometown and he needs to stay away from there and to not draft him. I wonder if he warned NE, the NY teams, Philly to not touch him. 

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DonTurner's picture

Dragging Meyer through the mud is in vogue  it will end someday...…………..  On a good note, it certainly gives Ohio State free air time.   

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iowabuckeyes's picture

As a sidebar, did anyone else see the 60 Minutes story this past Sunday about CTE? The researcher mentioned that Hernandez's brain had the highest levels of CTE of any brain under 30 that anyone had ever examined. He was diagnosed with Stage III CTE, which is typically seen in deceased players with a median age of 67. The findings are apparently not new news as it was disclosed last September but it's the first I'd heard of it.

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ohiopanda's picture

Guess his marijuana wasn’t medical

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Meyer seems to bear the brunt of a lot of Hernandez stuff, not that he's to blame for it (he isn't) but that it adds to the record that Meyer supposedly has with players.

I never understood how Bill and the Pats got a pass for the players they bring in but Meyer gets lumped in with this tragic story.

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osu_killernuts's picture

Because ESecPN

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CincyOSU's picture

Because ESecPN

So, EPSN's "love" of the SEC is why they don't go after Belichick?

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BrewstersMillions's picture

No no no Cincy. Because Meyer wasn't part of the SEC when this went down, so they see it as a chance to prove their superiority as a conference  by saying "See, SEC coaches don't recruit guys like Cincy".

Meyer was at FLORIDA when this happened. FLORIDA is in the...

Oh wait. Hmmmm

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osu_killernuts's picture

How many arrests happened during Meyer's tenure at Florida? 31, right? How do you know that though? Because the media has drilled the number of arrests into your head to create an image and story, whether it is positive or negative to gain exposure and increase ratings (revenue). 

Bill, meh....whatever, he is a grumpy NFL coach that rarely is exposed by the media because you cannot create a narrative with him.

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

I believe this story had been out there or at least rumored for quite a while. Not sure if Urban had been mentioned specifically before this but it was known that teams had been warned about Hernandez. The assumption was that it was by coaches and those who had been around him at Florida. I live in Boston and obviously everything Pats is covered in depth here, especially the Aaron Hernandez saga. 

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joebuckeye5's picture

I find the Urban Meyer/Aaron Hernandez situation to be a good gage on if a person has any clue as to what they're talking about. If someone tries to discuss Urban Meyer with me and brings up Hernandez's future murders as a negative against Meyer the conversation ends immediately from my perspective. At that point it becomes clear the person has no clue what they're talking about and will simply grasp at any straw to paint Urban in a negative light.

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Yep, no idea why but I found myself reading Pat Forde's take on Urban's return Monday (I know, why subject myself to that).  Not only did he of course have a terrible take on the current situation, but he also managed to mention Hernandez, Chris Rainey, Storm Klein, and then even talked about how Meyer welcomed back Carlos Hyde after "the victim chose to drop the charges".  I mean, as any moderately close follower of OSU knows, there was a goddamned video exonerating him, and the suspension was actually very harsh considering.  But the average hater reading it is just going to take that blatant lie as fact.  It is unbelievable what these people will do and say, with no consequences ever.

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joebuckeye5's picture

It does amaze me as well what certain people will come up with. Like many on here I follow everything Ohio State football related pretty religiously and it scares the hell out if me that I have a lot more knowledge on the situation than just about everyone that is allowed to talk about it on TV or write articles about it.

To me it's pretty simple, either do the research on it or don't talk about it if you haven't. I know people are busy covering everything in the sports world, but I guess I'm old-fashioned in the sense that if you don't know what you're talking about you shouldn't be talking about it.

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