Skull Session: Dwayne Haskins Could Be Top Draft QB, Confidence in Austin Mack and the Big Ten Ain't That Bad

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Haskins looks the part of a legit NFL QB. So far he is setting a high bar for the top QBs next year 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Haskins was better than Barrett last year, and that not so satisfying season is on Meyer for not starting Haskins.   

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Buckloving's picture

How good would he be this year with a years experience under his belt?

bobbyd

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

 that not so satisfying season is on Meyer for not starting Haskins. 

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Get over it. Meyer isnt going to bench a 5th year senior captain to appease you. Haskins wasnt ready last year until JT got hurt in the TTUN game.

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BbBnD's picture

Wow, we’re really lucky Haskins became ready to play at the exact moment he was needed after not being ready for the previous 10 weeks. Some serious serendipity right there. 

In all seriousness, of course Meyer wasn’t going to bench JT, but that’s why Saban is the king of college football and Meyer is #2. Loyalty is admirable, but it’s probably Meyer’s greatest weakness as a coach (see Zach smith)

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buckeyeinWI's picture

oh my...

move on dude, move on...

GO BUCKEYES!

15-1 is SWEET!

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lamplighter's picture

Good Wednesday all.  Be sure to talk like a pirate today.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Aye, Matey.  Crest the Green Wave!  Aaaaaaargh.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Dude, you're supposed to be an anti-pirate.

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Kevbo714's picture

It will take a lot more than a few drops for my faith in Austin Mack to waver...  Glad to hear/see/read that his teammates rallied around him, as they should, but shows unity through difficulty.  I love this team!

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G.'s picture

What about several drops?

G.

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okiebuck's picture

You dance with the ones who brought you. Everyone talks about Haskins great throw (and it was) in the ttun game, but Mack made one hell of a catch as well.

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blueblazer22's picture

Several drops and a big penalty as well. Glad they stuck by him as Mack has always been sure handed until this past weekend, but that game was a struggle. 

It does make me wonder what has happened to Binjimen Victor, who seems to have all but disappeared in this year's offense. No rapport with Haskins I am guessing?

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crabapple buck's picture

7 - 11 is always open. 9 - 11 is only for emergencies.

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Jdadams01's picture

Victor is not as good of a blocker as some of the other receivers and he gets lazy on routes from time to time.

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Extramedium's picture

Weirdly the only legitimately bad pass I can remember from that game was to Victor when he'd beaten his defender along the sideline.  That was a TD if he'd put it out in front of him.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

He also jumped around like a spoiled teenager after it dropped to the turf...can’t imagine that wins him any favors from Haskins.  You didn’t see Haskins throwing a fit when Mack dropped those passes.  

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buckeyetjn80's picture

He looked mad cause the ball actually hit his hands and he almost hauled it in..doubt that was directed at Haskins for the underthrow

Love the game over any team fandom.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Haskins and Mack are roommates, so...

A lion sleeps in every man, dissatisfaction moves him,  complacency keeps him asleep.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Victor is not as good of a blocker as some of the other receivers

I couldn’t disagree more. Victor has proven to be an exceptional downfield blocker. And Urban acknowledged as much, noting his contributions and selflessness in his Monday presser. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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buckeyetjn80's picture

Agree 100%

Love the game over any team fandom.

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Jdadams01's picture

I don't think Victor is a bad blocker. None of the receivers in the rotation seem to be. But Mclaurin and Mack, who seem to take snaps from Victor, both are considered some of the best blockers on the team.

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exnwohiobuckfan's picture

Wasn’t it Victor down field blocking on Weber’s long TD run against Rutgers?

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MC937Buckeye's picture

FWIW: Mack and Victor rotate and McLaurin and Dixon rotate at their respective X and Z WR spots.

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huffdaddy's picture

Seems to have disappeared? When did he ever appear in the first place?

Victor should have had a TD and maybe that would have been something of a revelation. But so far, the issue has not been the offensive calls - it has been that 5 other WRs are getting open and making something happen.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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avail31678's picture

He definitely nearly had a chance to make those catches.

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Buctor's picture

Make no mistake, Coach Meyer is in charge!  He is the head coach.  Just as most tOSU fans wanted.

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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TigerSweat's picture

That's what I wanted for sure. The program was able to sustain success BECAUSE of what coach Meyer had built, not in spite of him. Best roster builder and program manager in the country (zach smith nepotism aside)

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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BuckNutChicago's picture

Hmm... you may have missed another "aside" with best-man at wedding LB coach.

Meyer is the best in the business surrounding himself with superstar coaches who recruit like their hair is on fire.  So he can be forgiven for a little nepotism.

Go Buckeyes!!!

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Dillon G's picture

 Dwayne Haskins hadn't even started a college football game four weeks ago, now folks are legitimately talking about the prospects of him being the top quarterback selected in this year's draft.

It isn't like Jarrett Stidham is any where near as good as him, and commentator and studio analysts slobber all over Stidham. It is almost laughable. 

#walkaway

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rkylet83's picture

Can’t compete with SEC speed!

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NOBLUE's picture

never do i want ttun to do better ..i would be happy if they were the lowest ranked team in the nation....GO BUCKEYES!!

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NOBLUE's picture

it is really great to have a list like this to even consider who is...GO BUCKS!!

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bucksfan92's picture

I don’t see Gary Patterson’s comment as wanting a second game. And it’s not like his comment was unsolicited.  He was asked if he wishes he had a second game. His answer sounds like a coach speak “no” to me. 

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

The way he talks, it seems most of Patterson's quotes are up for different interpretations.

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MN Buckeye's picture

He could have been saying, One day I will wish I had a rematch.

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Buckloving's picture

There's a good chance we see them later this year

bobbyd

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IGotAWoody's picture

They have to get past OK and WV. Not an easy road ahead of them, but it will be fun to see how things go in the Big 12.

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Buckloving's picture

And OK State who's playing pretty good

bobbyd

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hetuck's picture

1. TCU will have to get in line if they want to try to wangle another home and home series. There are many other schools I'd rather play than the Horned Frogs. I doubt if they would take a paycheck game, although OSU is paying top price for such games. Only Florida's $2M to Colorado State as part of the Jim Mcelwain buyout topped the $1.7M OSU paid the other OSU. 

2. The article about the sicarios is frightening and depressing on a rainy morning. Don't doubt for a second such killers could make their way to the United States. 

3. Game day forecast is showing 71 and mostly cloudy with no rain. I forecast 63 points as Urban the game manager watches the increased tempo offense continue. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

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MichiBuck12's picture

The article about the sicarios is frightening and depressing on a rainy morning. Don't doubt for a second such killers could make their way to are already in the United States.

 FTFY

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TigerSweat's picture

Dude, those guys travel virtually unchecked back and forth into the states. That's just a reality

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CieGrant_Blitz's picture

Totally agree about the running up the score— particularly in college— these aren’t 10 years olds.  A loss is a loss, doesn’t matter if it’s by 1 point or 100 points, they all count the same.  Play better if you don’t want to get trucked. 

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ToTheHouse's picture

Coach Day & staff took a knee to end the game but I think nothing wrong with: a few running plays could have punched in another 6, yet the thought 'not a late pile-on," just close out the W & head back to the 614 was best.

Can't remember seeing Urb 'run it up,' (add on & rub it in) are two very different schools.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Oregon fans were accusing Urb of "running up the score" in the *national title game*

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avail31678's picture

Yeh lol.  Would they feel better only losing by 14 instead of 21?  Still not national champions.  At least running the ball gives them a chance to stop it.

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Brutus For President's picture

They are?

Ducks must have forgotten the following snapshots of that season:  Ore 62 - S. Dakota 13  ; Ore 47 - Sparty 27 ; Ore 51 - Utah 27 ; Ore 51 - Ariz 13.  So, on one hand it's Karma, but actually it's not running up the score if their Defense makes the stops.  Simple concept to embrace.

"My aim, then, was to whip (TTUN), to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us." - William Tecumseh Sherman

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NorthernOhioBuckeye's picture

If a coach pulls their starters out after the game is well in hand, then there is no issue. The players lower on the depth chart deserve to play with a full playbook. It is not different than it would be if they were being blown out. You want your lower tier players to run all of your plays, not just the running plays. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Bobby Bowden's Famous quote says it all:

It's not my job to stop my team from scoring.  If you don't want them to score, stop them.

I agree.  Second stringer's not only deserve to get to play with the entire playbook; its important for the future development of the team to let them use the whole playbook.  Game speed; even against an overmatched opponent is still different than practice.

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huffdaddy's picture

Counter point:

ADs schedule games that obligate completely overmatched teams to play, and then the kids are left holding the bag. Yeah, stop them if you can - but if you are giving away 40 pounds a man, etc., it's not fair to the college students on the overmatched team when some administrator set them up to fail. 

Nothing wrong with just running the ball up the middle for the last 20 minutes of a blowout. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Wargor's picture

Definitely something here to keep in mind.  

Also, taking a knee in the final minutes gives a 100% victory, running the ball for a garbage score give a <100% chance of victory and a >0% chance of injury.  Bad trade off just so some rabid fans can tell TCU to 'suck it' with a bit of extra vigor.  

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Buckloving's picture

He didn't "have" to apologize

bobbyd

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MichiBuck12's picture

I totally agree that sticking with Mack was the right call, as frustrating as it may have been to watch. I was with a handful of people who wanted him benched. The has proven he is one of the most sure handed receivers on the team. He was having a bad night. He pretty clearly had a minor case of the yips. When you get the yips, the only way to get rid of them is to keep trying. Maybe get a slump buster or two. Putting him on the bench would have done more harm than good in my opinion. Credit to Ryan Day and Dwayne Haskins for continuing to go to him, and as a result he came up big in the end.

I get that keeping the starters in and intentionally embarrassing an opponent is unsportsmanlike but short of that, theres no reason to apologize for winning by a lot. If you're putting your backups in and still putting up points, too bad. Backups work hard too and deserve their playing time. And on the flip side, I would be more embarrassed by an opponent kneeling on the ball in the third quarter than I would by losing 90-6 because the other team was just that much better.

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brutus0717's picture

You're spot on MB12. Benching Mack would have been nothing short of stupid, and I was around people who wanted him benched too. Mack has been nothing but reliable and that first dropped TD got in his head. He will be just fine and statistically one of our top receivers by year's end.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Extramedium's picture

Despite the rough game he already is one our top receivers statistically

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brutus0717's picture

True, I could've worded that better.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Do you remember in the 2015 title game vs. Oregon, people were criticizing Meyer for ’running up the score’ on Oregon for the last TD.  It’s was such a ridiculous claim, though, because there was still plenty of time for the, If we gave them the ball back, to score and then actually be within striking distance for a comeback.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Yeah, but Oregon fans are idiots. In their defense, they're relatively new to being football fans. Oregon's success comes from the fact that they score a ton of points and do it quickly. There were 2 minutes left and we had a 15 point lead before the touchdown. Oregon can score 15 points in 2 minutes. Thats what they do.

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jcposu's picture

You might’ve hit the nail on the head in regards to Oregon fans being new to football thus the whining about the score of the Natty game. I remember when USC to Oklahoma to the woodshed 55-19 in the Orange Bowl BCS Championship and never heard their fans complain about the Trojans running up the score. 

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MDBuckeyes's picture

Can't score enough against a team like Oregon, at least back in 2015. That team could put up points in a hurry if given the opportunity. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

The last TD was with under a minute left and they had no timeouts....and I absolutely loved that they ran it in.  That TD had nothing to do with the Ducks and everything to do with giving the talking heads, Baylor and TCU something to suck on for questioning the Buckeyes getting in.  

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Also, it's the national title game. This isn't Ohio State playing Furman in some SEC Cupcake Week matchup. It's literally for the national championship. 

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JTstan16's picture

The one time we have a once in a generation type passer @ QB, he'll only be playing for one season. OF COURSE. 

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PhillyNut's picture

Same thing happened to Cam Newton. Worked out pretty well for Auburn. I think we would take that end scenario in a heartbeat.

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JTstan16's picture

Minus the whole stealing laptops and "It's an ongoing investigation :)" thing.

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mtrotb's picture

Remember, Urb booted him at Florida.

mtrotb

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Jdadams01's picture

Well, to be fair, he should have been playing more last year.

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brutus0717's picture

Oh my God IT'S OVER. Let it go, man, just let it go.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Jdadams01's picture

Lol, does anyone in Buckeye-fandom let anything go? Will we let 1998 Sparty go? The Walrus during Tressel's tenure? Tatgate? Tim Beck in 2015? Please. My opinion that Haskins would have given us a more dynamic offense last year is shared by many and honestly has little to do with JT. Grow up and stop complaining about other people having an opinion on a sports team.

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brutus0717's picture

Well, I guess you can consider me the only Buckeye fan who is able to let things go. Wishing that anything in the past was different just makes one feel empty. But yeah, I'll be the one that has to grow up.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Jdadams01's picture

Didn't downvote you, but obviously you haven't let this specific topic go as you felt the need comment as soon as I said Haskins should have played more last year.

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45has2's picture

Hell no, I'm still pissed about losing to the weasels in '69.

Censores irrumasti.

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kmp10's picture

Well, to be fair, he should have been playing more last year.

Well, to be fair, he should have been playing more last year.

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Extramedium's picture

I love how that's been decided by week three and also decided that Day is leaving.  I think Cam Newton, who is an absolute physical freak, is about the only example of a successful pro QB that left after one season starting in college.  And even he played a season starting at a junior college or something.  It's not just the physical talent which he has, it's the game experience and reps, which he won't have after one season.  

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PhillyNut's picture

The two things that will hurt the Big 10 going forward will be Wisky's and MSU's OOC losses. If they do well in conference that really will hurt the overall look. Need a Minnesota and/or Indiana to continue to do well and surprise in the West. MSU should end up with at least 2 losses in the East so their loss will probably get mitigated.

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JTstan16's picture

I couldn't give two f*cks about how the rest of the conference performs, especially TTUN, as long as we win out. 13-0 OSU team is the #1 seed, unless Bama goes undefeated too. We've always carried the B1G, nothing new. 

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Extramedium's picture

And to be fair, even after beating top 25, top 15 and top 10 teams and a conference title it still didn't get us in the playoffs over a team who got a top 25 win after Fresno st magically appeared.

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yantubos's picture

Win out and it doesn't really matter how the B1G does. Screw them.

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Spivan's picture

If you don't want a team to run the score up, stop them from scoring.

I'll never forget Oregon fans complaining about Zeke getting that last TD in the 2014 title game. After they had made a living for year putting 70+ on opponents.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Hah, I just posted about the same thing in response to another comment, and then saw yours.  That was so ridiculous, because it was just securing the game.  Was Ohio State supposed to just hand the ball over to Mariotta with a couple minutes left in the game, and a 15 pt lead?  If the scores one TD they’d be within one more and a 2pt conversion of tying it up.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Last TD was with 30secs left and they were out of timeouts.  It was running it up and I loved it.  You make it to the NC and you don’t have the choice to complain about someone running it up.  They beat FSU by 40.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Spivan's picture

They had also shown they had the ability to score very quickly (a one play 70 yard TD drive) in the third quarter.

Another quick strike like that and an inside kick recovery, and the game is suddenly in jeopardy.

Also, that 4th TD gave Zeke the record for most rushing TDs scored in a title game. I feel he deserved it after his 3 game performance.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Not that it matters, but Oregon actually had 2 timeouts left at that point, they just weren't using them. They used one with about 2:45 left after the 1st and 10 play at the beginning of the drive. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Yep you are correct on the TO situation.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Extramedium's picture

The point is they ran up the score agains everyone they played, then complain when we run the ball on the final play.  Tackle Zeke if you don’t want us to score!

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

I agree, Spivan. I was sitting 6 among Oregon fans and the whining was palpable. I responded by saying the same thing about them scoring 70 in Podunk State. It's not Ohio State's job to stop Ohio State.

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Wargor's picture

For Oregon, I agree.  For the little sisters of the poor and trying to make a 40 point game a 47 point game...different.  

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DCDDC's picture

Thank you all for the kind prayers and well wishes about this hurricane.  we dodged a huge bullet here in North Myrtle Beach.  11 Warriors  again rock.  Thanks!!!

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BBQ_Fan's picture

I just noticed, has the term "WMD"  been officially retired in the Skully's? Good work continuing to put your own stamp on this Kevin.

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gobucks5413's picture

I've only got a problem with 90-6 if its done with starters. If youre blitzing and throwing bombs with your main guys, youre an ass. If you are playing guys who don't get a ton of opportunities and they're making plays, I think youre doing them a disservice if you dont let them try to do good things

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iowabuckeyes's picture

South Dakota State coach John Stiegelmeier has publicly apologized for running up the score in a 90-6 win over Arkansas-Pine Bluff on Saturday afternoon in Brookings, South Dakota. The Jackrabbits were up 49-6 at halftime, scored 20 points in the third quarter and 20 in the fourth to light up the scoreboard like a Christmas tree.

Uh, by my count, that’s 89 points, not 90...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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bux_booster's picture

I am sympathetic to not running up the score, but look at the box score

  • Three QB's played and had a total of 21 attempts, 14 by the starter; they completed 19.
  • Eight running running backs, and the starter being pulled after 5, albeit with 192 yards at that point.
  • Eight receivers catching passes. All but one scoring a TD.  Each of those only catching only a single pass scored a TD.

Do you tell the third and fourth stringers not to try?  I think the winning coach should be given a break that he apologized instead of quoting Bobby Bowden as he rightly could have. 

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blueblazer22's picture

It is always amazing to me that items like a statue of a sphinx from 305 BC can still be unearthed these days. I am no archaeologist, but that is simply a cool thing to be able to find. 

Everyone talks about Urban as one of the best ever, and rightfully so. But if this is the case, why is anyone happy that he is giving up control of play calling? Has he been so terrible in that role? I understand that he has his tendencies and that those may not mesh with what the masses want (i.e. Fewer qb runs), but the guy has done alright overall and if he wants to call plays I have no issue. Don't want to start a war, but celebrating a guy of his stature giving up duties seems to me to be a slippery slope. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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Knarcisi's picture

Urban may be one of the 5 best coaches of all time when it's said and done. But has time has gone on, I think it's apparent that play call management isn't his strong suit.  I've even gone as far to say that he is an average to below average offensive mind.  Maybe not 10 years ago, but today he is.  The stubbornness, predictability, the clock management.  And there is nothing wrong with saying and admitting that.  I actually take it as a positive in his maturity as a leader to have the confidence and trust to give up the reigns.  I think this makes him an even better coach.  

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

I always thought Urban’s strengths were recruiting and motivating...and his assistant coaches. Meaning get the kids, develop the culture and let the coaches do their jobs w the game. Sometimes he has gotten in his own way and a few assistants have hindered the team at times, but the culture has been on full display the past few weeks. Go Bucks!

A lion sleeps in every man, dissatisfaction moves him,  complacency keeps him asleep.

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Knarcisi's picture

Agreed on the strengths.  I said on a comment a few weeks ago that it was recruiting, program culture, and attracting a top staff. And I think this is his best staff. And he does too. 

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bux_booster's picture

...and I think that it makes him an attractive coach to work under, especially for a previous head coach who might have gotten in over his head by taking a HC position for a weak team and needs a restart in his career.   
 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I mean--Saban doesn't call plays and he still is regarded as the best college coach of all time. Here's what Saban says: 

 "When the defense is out there," Saban said, "I'm on the defensive headset getting the call, knowing the situation, the personnel, know what everybody's supposed to be doing out there and nobody's talking except the guy in the press box. The first thing he says is what is the personnel and call out the personnel so we can match personnel, whether we're playing regular, nickel, dime, dollar or whatever we're going to play. After that, there's nothing else said."

I see Urban probably doing the same thing. I'm sure Urban will be still very much "involved" with the playcalling process, I just don't think he's going to be literally calling the specific plays as much. 

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buckeyenut74's picture

At psu will tell me a lot about Haskins, can he handle the pressure and the noise?

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WezBuck28's picture

Look..I'll buy Haskins a car, pay for his next tat, give him a cash donation, whatever it takes to get him to come back 2 more years.../s

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Yeah, who needs NFL money when you can get improper benefits from boosters. /s

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Not in China, re: the link about the missing actress suspected of tax evasion. Color me confused, though—if you’re a communist country, why is there a tax to evade? Doesn’t everything belong to the state? I’ve always thought of communism as a pimp taking all the money from the whores in exchange for protection and a meager allowance, the state literally thriving off the backs of its people. How is it China didn’t confiscate all of her earnings from the get-go?

(Note: this is a rhetorical musing, just me thinking out loud...there’s no need for anyone to respond with ideological dogma.)

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

The Chi-Coms are not running a pure Commie model these days since they wanted to unleash the best parts of a Capitalistic system - think “entrepreneurial animal spirits” while retaining control over people as best they can. They are running something more like Al Capone did - collecting “protection” money, giving big favors to those who are friendly, ruining those not in line. It will not last once the people realize they don’t need the “party”.

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Frimmel's picture

I do not find it reasonable for you to be confused that the soundbite pithy quotes from Marx version of communism you have in your head and the actual governmental structure and laws of China are not similar. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Trust me: I get the hypocrisy. Which is why I said it was a rhetorical musing. At the rate the Chinese are investing in the US, including buying property, they wouldn't ever have to declare war on us, they could just foreclose or execute hostile takeovers of US businesses.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BbBnD's picture

I take it you’re not much of a finance or Econ guy, huh?

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McGrind's picture

Can’t be a #1 until cowturd gushes over him 20 minutes a day...which should happen btw after the psu game.

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Haskins is having a huge year and earning a l oou t of money for his future. Keep the Train rolling.

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73buckeye's picture

The kid wanted to be Ohio Stat's quarterback since he was 7 years old. He makes his dream come true and is satisfied as a one and done? Maybe his new dream will be back to back Natty's and be overall number one pick in the draft for the Cleveland Browns and win a SuperBowl.  Anybody done that lately? A guy can dream, can't he? 

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I don’t think the Browns are going to have the no. 1 pick again.  Timing is everything, we are stuck with the little guy.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I mean--if you're projected as a top 5 overall pick or the top QB off the board, I can't blame a guy for going. That's hard to turn down. Baker Mayfield got a $22 million signing bonus, $32 million rookie contract. Even if you don't play a DOWN in your career, you can set yourself up for life with that.

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Canukbuck's picture

I have to laugh when I hear these so-called "experts" crowning Dwayne as a sure-fire 1st rounder in the coming NFL draft .... They did exactly the same thing after Cardale Jones ran his three-game streak to the NC game ... "NFL-ready arm" was the big chant about Cardale .... the next season, he was replaced half-way through the season by JT and although drafted, did not live up to the hype created by "those in the know" ....

Being an NFL-calibre QB requires so many more skills than being able to throw a ball .... Could Dwayne be a 1st rounder - absolutely - but, let's see how he fares over a full season or two .... So far, however, things are looking pretty good !!

As for Gary Patterson, I offer him some sage advice - "When you win, say little - when you lose, say less" ..... TCU played a hell of a game and Patterson's staff had a great game plan in place.  As with many high-profile college coaches, his ego got in the way and instead of continuing with his track-meet pace in the second half, he slowed it down and allowed OSU to catch their collective breaths and put the boots to TCU (to which I'll offer him another bit of sage advice - if they can't stop it, do it until they do) ..... In all honesty though, TCU played over their heads that night (receivers making some circus catches) and their kick return trick was fantastic (too bad for them that it was a forward pass) .... I like TCU, but Patterson and Brian Kelly should have lunch to see who's head would explode when arguing as to which of them will pick up the tab (didn't notice any panic on the OSU side line all game) ....

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

If you haven’t listened to the Dubcast yet, Bobby Carpenter agrees with you about Haskins marinating at the college level another year.

Patterson should definitely say less.  Whining that they ‘gave’ us the game and lamenting the neutral site one-off that he demanded are not good looks.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

@canukbuck: I get your point but for the record, the quote is “when you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less,” which has been attributed to Paul Brown.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Haskins has showed that he is a much more accurate passer than either Cardale or JT. Another year in college would be great but the QB class this year is very weak so Haskins might be the first QB off the board if he declares. Any NFL team that needs a QB immediately or in within a year would draft Haskins in a heartbeat.

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Canukbuck's picture

Hey, AZ - no disputing that Haskins has the best arm of the three QBs you mentioned, but the same people (experts) were touting Cardale as having an NFL-ready arm and we saw how that played out .... I still believe he needs another season of college ball before going to the NFL, losing his confidence and being done before he has a chance to really shine ....

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Haskins is much more accurate than Cardale at throwing the ball. That is the reason that NFL teams are salivating over Haskins. I agree that another year in college would be good for him but if he could get $25-$30 million guaranteed on a rookie contract it would be hard to resist declaring for the NFL draft.

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BUCKEYEZ's picture

Cardale had elite arm strength and size, but also had a slow release and accuracy issues. Dwayne has an elite release and accuracy. If you look at successful NFL QB’s , these traits are much more important.

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Frimmel's picture

I don't think TCU chose to slow it down as had to slow down. They couldn't keep that pace up cause they had to collect their breath too. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

My boss’s son plays for a D3 college and was telling me about a game a couple weeks ago his son played in.  His sons team was killing the other school.  The other team had the ball and could’ve just ran a couple plays and let the clock expire.  Instead they started using their timeouts.  The d coordinator got pissed and finally sent an out blitz to end things.  There was a very private conversation between the 2 HCs during the postgame handshake.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Welp, you can’t take those timeouts home with you...said no one to Luke Fickell in Miami in 2011...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Buckrific's picture

Our local HS team was taking a knee up 30-7 on our opponents 20 yardline with under 2:00 left last Friday.  The opposing coach decided to use his last TO after second down so we could no longer run out the clock.  So our coach, with our 2nd and 3rd string players, ran the ball and got the first down.  Could have taken a knee after that but ran one more play and hung another TD on them with like :30 to go.  So after the KO the other team with their 1's still in threw a 30yrd completion and were trying to get another play off as time expired.  Needless to say I doubt we will ever take a knee against this team again.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The problem with the B1G’s pleasant surprises (Indiana, Minnesota) is that we know their early success is not sustainable, while the losses by Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska, et al, offer no hope that they’ll get better. The B1G’s only saving grace is that once conference play starts full time, the embarrassment factor for losing to a conference foe is less than losing an OOC game.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Frimmel's picture

One of Purdue's losses is a conference game to start the season with NW. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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CincyBuck's picture

So I'm a fan of data analytics and I appreciate what they do to add an additional element to human rankings (which are largely worthless in many instances).  But I have a tough time believing there are 5 B1G teams in the top-20 teams in the country, with Indiana at 23 to boot.  Not sure how that meshes with early season losses to ASU, BYU, etc.

That said, I don't really care about conference strength.  As long as OSU keeps winning, it's no biggie.  If we lose, bias and perception will likely play more of a role in the CFP selections than concrete information.

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Smudman's picture

Pump the Brakes on Haskins just a bit.  Are Scouts looking at him? Certainly, they're like blood thirsty sharks.  RG3 was supposed to revolutionize the QB position. I want to see a lot more from Haskins, especially another season in Columbus. ;)

Our Honor Defend we will Fight to the end for O-HI-O!

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tampatom's picture

All these athletes make mistakes. They are magnified as every play is on TV and in slow motion. Mack and Jordan had some problems but staff stayed with them because they earned their position. Same for rest of team...Thank God any of us is not scrutinized the same way at work everyday!

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causeicouldntgo43's picture
It’s starting to finally feel like college football season instead of some unendingly bad episode of Jerry Springer.
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Hovenaut's picture

We just lost a QB that was here for eons, and now I'm supposed to talk about a guy potentially leaving for the NFL after 3 games and change?

Nope, not gonna do that.

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

On the bright side (sort of), at least we get to watch TWO starting Buckeye QB's play this season, one for OSU and one for LSU. 

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BiznessTime's picture

"It has two national title contenders, and a third (Michigan) isn’t that far away if it comes up with a couple more answers."

Does not compute.

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Wargor's picture

Pretty big 'if' there.  I think Wisconsin or even Iowa have a better shot of making the playoff than Michigan.  I do of course put both of them below us and PSU, but it isn't a stretch for either Wisconsin or Iowa to run the rest of their table and catch the big 10 east team on a bad December night.  No way in hell this Michigan team gets to the end of the season with only one loss, let alone even makes the big 10 championship game.

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Urbanologist's picture

More like because we no longer have a running back at QB, Meyer knows all 3 of his offensive plays, ( qb run right, qb run left, qb run middle) will not work. Since its all he has had for the last 5 years he decides to let some guys who know more run the show. Good Idea Meyer, your a genius....

Theire is only one truth...

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Steelydan54's picture

The opening salvo at Meyer is misplaced. He is a top 3 coach in college football and has forgotten more than most of his peers will ever learn about his craft. That said, the BEST in any field will tell you they are learning continually; mostly from their mistakes. This is not a thing to complain about, but to celebrate!  Meyer has several blind spots, but this has been a year of illumination for him and his family. He has been an excellent game manager, but nobody lives up to Monday morning coaching. 

Steelybuck54

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Yes, we have faith in Austin Mack. Can the same thing be said of Austin, Texas? The Horns host the Horned Frogs this week. I'm hoping Patterson takes a switch to Hermensa's ass.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Stronzo The Great's picture

Those are lost yardage. And obviously, statistically and production-wise, he's been great. But, the lost yardage is the QB runs, Q draw, et cetera. The read plays. So, you have to pick up that yardage somewhere else,"

Meyer scares me. I'm so afraid he'll alter the success with the running QB crap he loves so much. He did it with Tebow, Braxton, JT. It worked then but I am afraid he'll mess up this great thing we have. Who cares about "missed yardage"?

Stronzo The Great

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BucksRoger's picture

I have liked Day's play calling.  I think Urban giving him and Wilson the play calling duties just shows that one of the best college football coaches ever is always evolving and ready to change and do things differently if it benefits the team.

just run it down their throats

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KillerNut's picture

I completely agree about “running up the score”. You have 60 minutes of football, and if I was an opposing coach I would be insulted if you tried to take that away from us. Play hard all game.

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KillerNut's picture

I completely agree about “running up the score”. You have 60 minutes of football, and if I was an opposing coach I would be insulted if you tried to take that away from us. Play hard all game.

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BuckeyeLion's picture

"I have a #take: a coach should not have to apologize for running up the score, his opponent should have to apologize for failing to give him a competitive game."

Thank you for your common sense!

In the poll era (since 1936), OSU is by far the class of the B1G:
National Titles: OSU 8, UM 3
B1G Titles: OSU 34, UM 27
Head-to-head: OSU 43, UM 36
Major Bowls (New Year's Six): OSU 20-14, UM 10-16

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