Some serious chess-matching going on out there last Saturday...this one had to be one of your more favorite breakdowns, KJ (especially with the 'W')?
Very impressed with Patterson, Cumbie and the entire TCU staff - they dialed it all up and then some.
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Very impressed with Patterson, Cumbie and the entire TCU staff - they dialed it all up and then some.
I definitely agree, Hove. TCU was very well prepared by the Patterson and the coaching staff. The thing is that Ohio State didn't play up to their full potential and still won by two scores. This excites me because the ceiling is very high and the Buckeyes still have plenty of room for growth.
"The thing is that Ohio State didn't play up to their full potential and still won by two scores. This excites me because the ceiling is very high and the Buckeyes still have plenty of room for growth."
Spot on, SAB.
This is what excites me the most - if this team continues to develop, and the "weak" spots like LB and the Non-Fuller safeties find the improvement that this D is seeking, look out!!
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Sorry dood, but I had to downvote this. :P
Football is nothing like chess.
Chess is deterministic and people can easily be beat by brute force chess programs.
Football is way more complicated.
I'll give it a decade, max, until an AlphaGo descendant dethrones lil Nicky.
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Outside of missing Berry & Victors on easy TD passes, Haskins played like a veteran all night. Didn't get too high or too low. Very impressive.
Agreed. I know for sure he’d love to have those 2 passes back. The one to Victor would have really boosted Victors confidence level as well as he hasn’t been targeted as much.
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No doubt. That's why he was very emotional after the pass got broken up. I bet they try to target him more this weekend to make up for it.
I hope they target Victor more, he's been working his butt off down the field throwing very good blocks for his teammates. Reward the Dude with some balls. My old adage was if you don't block, you don't carry the rock. The dude has been blockin let's get him rockin.
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I totally agree. He looked so upset after that play. He was wide open and did NOT have to compete with the DB for the ball, which he has not been very good at so far. And I agree that it would have helped his confidence a lot. Unfortunately Haskins was getting hit and had to get rid of the ball.
He broke wide open in the ill-fated Clemson beat down and was overthrown. But truthfully Victor has to hang onto contested balls better. I feel he is due for a breakout game. Hopefully soon.
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Yeah, and Victor had put on such a sweet move. That looked like the same move Michael Thomas put on MSU. As I recall, he was open by about 9 yards, for a 30 or 40 yard TD.
Love these breakdowns and analyses. In game adjustments like these are done by elite coaching staffs. It's easy as a fan to think that the coaches and spotters aren't paying attention. These games are almost as much mental as physical.
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Great read! But there's no rematch next year in Columbus.
Good catch. In my excitement, I forgot they moved it off next year's schedule.
Are Kiffin and Fickel good consolation prizes for next year?
Heard it a few times the past couple of weeks - Patterson didn't want to lose twice to the Buckeyes in back to back years.
Makes perfect sense to me.
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After watching the game again, I actually thought this game could have been a blow-out for us, if a few plays went the other way. Patterson keeps saying they should have won, however, I think he should be happy we didn't rout them.
Non-Con opponents next year are FAU, UC and Miami OH...no TCU
Great write-up but OSU and TCU do not play again next year. This was a one off now.
Edit: Article was corrected.
Great analysis as always, but there is no rematch next year.
Edit: I’m late to the party. Carry on.
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I think there's a typo there... TCU isn't coming to Columbus next year, as both teams traded a "home and home" for a neutral site game.
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What is it with the word "ass" being written on two of the offensive play diagrams? ...
Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.
Excellent question and I was waiting for someone to notice.
As "Ass" call is for the center to block back on the nose guard before working up to the linebacker, even though he'd normally step in the direction of the play like everyone else. It's a common call in zone-blocking schemes, and although there are countless different names for it, I've heard that this name is to help the center to remember he's going 'ass backward.'
Berry was WIDE open on the TD pass to HIll
Wow. No kidding. Haskins threw that pass flat-footed, too. Helluva throw.
TCU was completely caught off-guard by the adjustment to put 3 WRs into the boundary. OSU never lines up like that.
However, the second the ball was snapped, Haskins knew where he was going. As long as the corner stuck to Victor on the hitch, that ball was getting thrown to the pylon for Hill.
Which is great, but man if he had missed that throw the coaches would have his ass in the film room for not making that read on Berry.
Yup. Not sure if that was by design or not. If he was supposed to run a skinny post, he'd have run right into coverage. He seems to have run a fly pattern instead. Either he modified the route after he saw the safety go with the crosser, or his route was designed from the get-go to go to the corner of the end zone.
A thing repeated will happen a third time.
it's hard not to look forward to the rematch between these two programs next September in Columbus.
Sorry... apparently it took me about 15 minutes to read this while at work, so my comment was a little late!
Shawn Robinson's attempt to tackle Dre'mont was kind of funny to watch on loop.
I believe you mean NON-attempt, or maybe RIDICULOUSLY HALF-ASSED attempt...
Give Pete Werner all the credit for blowing up that shovel option on Robinson in the 3rd quarter. He got right into his face..and DreMont had a NT's dream. An INT for a pick six.
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“DreMont had a NT's dream”
I will bet Dre’ is giving B.B. Landers the needle.
On Dre's monster sack, Werner also helped blow that up. Their QB had Werner coming in from the right and Dre coming in from the left.
It literally came down to the offensive staff getting past those points where they were trying to window dress the offense, get away from the wildcat stuff, and the trick plays. You're a more talented team, line up, run the offense, and put the pedal to the metal.
The Mack drops were so crazy, out of left field, never saw that kid perform that poorly before. I like that Haskins didn't give up on him, but I felt he needed to sit in the second half. This week he needs to be focused and on point.
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Mack drops? I was wondering if he might have hurt himself on that first play. He has great hands. It was a head scratcher for sure. I am glad in the end it all worked out for us.
And two of those "drops" were great plays by the DB to break the ball loose.
I was a little surprised they did not take more advantage of the ground game early on. Seemed like the offensive line was mostly pushing around their defensive line. I think the last two drives highlighted it the best. Both backs showed good speed, agility and determination in there. Was just surprised it was not used a bit more.
Go back and watch the KJ Hill touchdown "Saints" play again. On the replay filmed form behind the line, you can see #13 on the right (the "skinny" route) slip the defense and there is literally not one defender on his whole side of the field. If Hill wasn't open we were scoring anyway.
it's hard not to look forward to the rematch between these two programs next September in Columbus
I didn't think TCU was coming to Columbus at all.
Just the article I've been waiting for and TCU fans would probably appreciate it as well because they truly do have a program to be proud of.
Indeed, now GO WIN THE BIG 12, HORNY FROGS!!
Both of TCU's shovel pass plays were blown up by Ohio State. Robinson made a superior athletic play to rescue the first one for a short gain. The second one will be a highlight of the 2018 Ohio State season.
Wow, I didn't realize that Berry was even more open than KJ Hill on that TD pass. The CB took the flat and the safety followed the crosser so there was no one following Berry.
Second thought, does it mean you're overcoached or making things too complicated if something as simple as flipping the play screws up your entire coverage? It seems like such a simple thing to adjust to.
I think Patterson admitted they simply screwed up. Both teams were thrown off by the fast tempo and gave up plays.
Had OSU not gone as quickly, TCU likely would've gotten the call in to alert the defense to recognize the new formation and account for it.
From the department of beating a dead horse: In the play where Borland blows up the shovel that should be holding on the TCU wide receiver shouldn't it?
You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight.
Evidently in this game it was "legal" to hold onto shoulder pads, especially wearing purple and black. There was so many missed calls in this game it was crazy!
It's been quite a few years since we had a team that lived off of big plays on offense and defense. I hope this is a good sign!
This week against Tulane, I would make it a point to give Mack about 10-12 targets. Make him get over Saturday and ready for PSU. Even if a few are forced, show him that one bad game isn't going to define him and they are going to keep the same confidence in him. Also unleash Cooper and let him play for 3 quarters so he is ready for the following week.
Good calls, AML. I expect to see a whole lotta Cooper against Tulane, and a whole lotta havoc from the entire D line.
These are my favorite articles on 11W. Some great analysis.
Nice work, Kyle. Thanks for the explanations. I never fully understand the chess match as it happens during the game.
The linebackers made false steps more times than I care to count. It almost seemed at times that they were told to not worry about the running back and read the QB only. With 2 LBs in the box, I would think they would be reading the opposite back. Like the article pointed out, that one false step cost Ohio State the longest play from scrimmage given up in history.
I’m excited about Haskins play so far, and while I don’t want our QB to have more carries than our RB’s, I truly think he is going to need to carry the ball a few more times. It didn’t appear that TCU ever respected his ability to pull it and run. I remember several times before his TD run where I thought he could have pulled and gained positive yards. I would think 6-7 times would keep defenses a little more disciplined and help the RB’s.
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They were not working in Firefox. When I tried them in Chrome they worked and it showed that they were trying to play a short ad first. When I disabled my ad blocker for this site in Firefox the videos then worked.
Thanks for the advice. I was using Safari and I couldn’t close those pop ups either. Although it worked after refreshing the screen.
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An absolutely filthy breakdown. My head is swimming and I could read this three or four times to completely understand but love the analysis!
Kyle, do you really feel,our LBs are good enough to play with 1-2 at the line of scrimmage and leaving the odd LB out on an island? I understand this is to create confusion with blocking schemes, but sure seems like we are getting ourselves beat a lot. Several times vs Oregon State. And in 2 TD runs for TCU, both times Harrison in the middle. We are leaving 1 LB on an island. One misstep, or even if the blocker gets a piece of him, it’s opening things up big.
Pete Werner has played well and Tuf Borland played his best game of the season, albeit in limited snaps, against TCU.
Harrison is such a freak athletically that Schiano and Davis must feel the benefits of his presence outweigh the negatives, but he does seem to get caught out of position more often than you'd like. It also doesn't help that the secondary doesn't have their eyes in the backfield thanks to all the man-coverage, meaning any mistake over the past couple of seasons has been amplified greatly.
Thanks for the reply, Kyle. Just not sure how I feel about the 1-2 LBs seemingly every play dancing up at the line of scrimmage. Seems like these guys get caught up in the wash at times, and expose the only LB at the 2nd level. Seems high risk, high reward. Yes, I hate the big plays we give up, but I probably overlook the positive plays, for example Werner forcing the pitch, getting the Dre’mont TD. Sometimes I feel like line them up 3 yards off the line of scrimmage, mix in some blitz scheme, and let them line up and play football. We’re more talented than all of the teams we play and it’s not like our DL isn’t creating disruption. Our S play hasn’t helped either, further amplifying the issue.
Harrison is such a freak athletically that Schiano and Davis must feel the benefits of his presence outweigh the negatives
Honestly, I'd take a slower but anticipatory MLB like the guy below than a fast twitch but always reactionary guy...but I'm just an internet guy, spouting on my keyboard,
ps.Love these Xs and Os post, LOVE them! Please keep them coming.
Don’t have anything of value to add, just wanted to say I enjoy this film breakdown I have seen on this site week to week. Wish there was more of this. Very nice for die hard fans to defend and be knowledgeable about topics over beers with a friend lol. I have been mostly on Bucknuts prior to this season, and while I will say 247 is tops when it comes to recruiting info nationally IMHO, this site has exceeded expectations when it comes to breaking down specificly OSU. If I could offer up a suggestion box, Breaking down film of why UM sucks like you do here would make me very happy at the local watering hole. ;)
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I’m a 44 yr old knowledgeable football fan and I’ve learned a lot from your write-ups, Kyle. Color me impressed. Big ups!
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Nothing to see here. Got rid of a double post!
I need a second opinion. Does anyone else think that Darius Anderson run for 93 yds for a TD was possible because of holding?
Yes, TCU caught the defense out of position, but it looked to me like Jaelan Austin, number 2, held the DB for about 7 to 10 yards on that play.
Absent holding, it still would have been a big play but I think the defense is able to leverage Anderson. Sure he will stretch the coverage but gets tripped up somewhere between midfield and the 30, or if the penalty is called its 2 and 15 at the TCU 3!
Yes, I think #2 grabs Arnette's shoulder pads at the left chest area and holds him.