Do Players Regret Their Decisions?

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dwcbuckeye's picture

I would tend to disagree.  If they have any cognitive thinking, of course they would regret the decision.  Florida State is totally trash this year with a coach that can't coach.  To think that they do not have regrets is foolish at best.  Everyone has regrets about decisions in life even small ones, but you always remember the big one decisions - and these were the biggest of their life so far

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OhioAgainstTheWorld34's picture

While I didn't play D1 football, I was recruited by quite a few schools on the NAIA level.  I ended up choosing to play football at Malone University in Canton, OH.  When making the decision I felt it gave me the best opportunity to play for a school that had a decent track record for winning as well as for a coaching staff that I respected.  My freshmen year we went all of 4-6 while the other school I strongly considered went 13-1 and made it to the NAIA semifinal... At the end of the year the coaching staff was relieved of their duties and I ended up transferring, but I didn't regret my decision to attend Malone.  To this day I enjoyed the time I spent playing on that team, the relationships I made and the things we went through.  I don't think kids like the ones aforementioned regret it as much as you think. 

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DrSpaceman's picture

Not the majority of them. Every team loses games. If all the players cared about was winning, every single top 25 player would commit to Alabama.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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JCam061588's picture

I doubt that’s the case when dealing with 5 stars. Those guys could’ve went & most likely succeeded anywhere. I think we would all rather succeed while winning as opposed to be the only light on a sinking ship. Not to mention in some cases it could cost them the opportunity to shine until it’s too late. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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DrSpaceman's picture

I guess that's what your preference would be, but you can't categorically say that about every college athlete. Ed Oliver committed to Houston and seems to be pretty happy. The guy's about to make millions and has been a consistent star on an alright to very good team.

My point is its a little vindictive and incredibly self-inflating to think that because FSU is 1-2 and Nebraska is 0-2 Woodbey and Lindsey have to be sitting back and thinking to themselves "man I wish I went to Ohio State!" because, as the OP put it:

they play for losers now

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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JCam061588's picture

There are always exceptions, Oliver is one of those guys. He was always going to Houston, he knew what Houston was going into it & that’s where he wanted to be & that’s fine. Woodbey & Lindsey are completely different situations, they both now find themselves in the midst of rebuilds that may take their entire careers to be completed. It’s not unreasonable to think they may regret their decisions. Doesn’t mean they do, but let’s be honest. There is no way they watched the TCU vs OSU game & wondered what it felt like. Especially given Haskins slinging it & Pryor & Wint looking terrible. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Urbanologist's picture

They more or less have, for about 8 years running.....

Theire is only one truth...

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chirobuck's picture

He didnt ask if the majority of players regret where they went just do some of them and the answer is yes, we know this because it's the reason for some transfers

 

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Hovenaut's picture

Honestly don't think about one-time OSU recruits that go elsewhere, certainly don't hold any ill-will for them or their respective teams.

*did my best to leave the names "Jackson Carman" and "Clemson" at the door*

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

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lljjgg's picture

*did my best to leave the names "Jackson Carman" and "Clemson" at the door*

Just read a recent article on Carman's experience at Clemson so far. The thing reads like a fat camp advertisement, their only real topic of conversation about him is how he's adjusting to all of the food he has around him. As a formerly chubby person myself I can relate. But it was a bit funny to me that not a bit of the discussion from the coach/journalist was about how talented he is, just that he's trying to stay away from Twinkies. It's early yet, but I really do think OSU got the better end of the deal with Petit-Frere, so I am one person who will never really bemoan the loss of Carman to Clemson. 

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JimmyVanP's picture

I saw him during the few minutes I watched of the Clemson game it was right after Lawrence threw a TD and they showed a shot of Lawrence on the sideline surrounded by his OL and Carman went to give him a high 5 and Trevor just plain ignored it. I actually laughed out loud

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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JCam061588's picture

Of course they do. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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DroneBuck's picture

Jaiden Woodbey is starting for the Florida St Seminoles as a true freshman. I doubt he regrets his decision.

We are so stacked at DB he would have to wait atleast 1.5 years before he got any real burn in our secondary. We have 5 stars and high 4 stars logjamming for playing time at OSU. He’s probably happy to be on the field already making a name for himself as an 18 yr old would be my guess 

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Woodbey is a Safety right?  Pretty sure we have an opening for him.

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j2gobucks's picture

We still got Proctor at S who hasnt stepped a foot on the field, so thats a stretch...

Everything that happens-good and bad-should motivate you to be persistent. ~JT

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Brohio's picture

I'm sure the FSU bagmen made his decision very easy to swallow lol. 

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letsgobucks's picture

I wonder this as well. Admittedly, I now hope FSU loses every game they think about playing since Woodbey flipped. I felt that way about Nebraska after Lindsay flipped too. Theres no way you would able to convince me that they dont think about it. Even if not to OSU, but to another big, successful school. All college players want to play in the playoffs. Especially if your good enough. You want to show what youve got on the big stage! 

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twotimebuck's picture

That's too strong of a reaction to a recruit flipping in my opinion. I could see you wanting them to lose because the player cheats, but only because the player flipped... Give the kid a break. Let him live.

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letsgobucks's picture

I actually dont disagree with you, Twotimebuck. Hopefully one day ill be able to let it go lol. If Nebraska doesnt make a bowl game this year, im going to try really hard to let that go. I dont think I can let Woodbey's flip go. Its not just that he flipped but how he did it and his departing words as he left. Just didnt sit right with me. 

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stxbuck's picture

Flips like Woodbey's happen every year-it's not personal, it's flaky families and flaky recruits-just b/c someone is a helluva DB doesn't mean they or their family are stable-emotionally, financially, psychologically. No sense wasting hate on dipsticks-just acknowledge them for what they are and move on.

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OhioAgainstTheWorld34's picture

I would share this same thought process if he didn't make me watch six hours of an Instagram Live feed as he gave me motion sickness and then spurred us to go to FSU.  I was bracing for USC, but dang... I have no clue how FSU swooped in so fast.. Must have been that Honey Fried Chicken. But seriously, wish the kid nothing but the best. I was pulling for FSU this weekend.  The Louisville melt down was fun, being I live 40 minutes from UofL's campus.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

I've been on board with FSU losing every game for years now, so Woodbey had no effect on that.  It's hard to work up any ire for NB.  Lindsay having to play for them is punishment enough.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I love seeing FSU lose also, with or without Woodbey. It would be nice to see their collective light come on just once this season against Clemson, though.

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WorthyBuck's picture

Lindsay would play here about as much as McCall.  

Once their QB gets healthy and Frost has some time to implement his offense and players, Nevraska seems like it might be a good fot for Lindsay.  They will not be as good as Ohio State, but to many playing in an average teams beats sitting on the bench for a good team.  

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youra6's picture

It's like leaving family. Once you build those relationships at a place, it becomes hard to believe you have made the wrong decision. Of course there are exceptions.

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BlockO's picture

Antwaun Jackson Jr did and now he is back with Ohio state.

"faith seeking understanding” (fides quaerens intellectum)

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Akers will be an NFL back in a couple years, but I bet he'd like to have a winning season in college before that happens.  Same with Wilson and Woodbey.  Lindsay made a decision based on spite and its biting him in the ass.  Should be cautionary tales to recruits everywhere, style over substance isn't a good strategy when picking a school.

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@osu.fbu's picture

I'm sure there are tons of Uncle Ricos out there who think they'd be starters at other schools. 

But when it comes to losing a few games, unless the program is run like a circus behind closed doors, I'm sure most players think they're going to right-the-ship or be a part of the solution. 

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Woodbey is an interesting case, because he's playing well as a freshman on a team that looks like hot garbage. There's rarely an opening here for true freshmen to play a ton, but I think he could have gotten into the mix here.

But if the kids insist they're happy where they are, who am I to judge? There are factors that go beyond simply being on a winning team.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Totally agree. There's not as much pressure on Frost as there is suddenly on Taggart. Additionally, I think that Martinez is going to be a star at Nebraska and, if you're Lindsey, you have to like your chances of becoming a playmaker. 

FSU hired the wrong guy and it looks to get worse before it gets better (and probably with a different coach). The guy can recruit, but he won't be able to win enough or fast enough for Seminole fans. Anybody believing that Jimbo left the cupboard bare has just not followed recruiting. They have talent, but no guidance. Woodbey, unfortunately, followed a flavor of the month, which teens often do. 

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D-Day0043's picture

Taggart has only had one 10 win season in his career. Everything else has been 8-4 or 7-5. He’s very mediocre. I don’t know how he got the FSU job. I don’t see a resume that warrants getting that high of a profile job.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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stxbuck's picture

The difference is that Nebraska fans viewed Frost as their savior riding in to put out the dumpster fire-which I believe he will do. Lindsay was not a Frost recruit, and probably chafed at Frost calling out his attitude. Taggart was an emergency hire-best available name for FSU-and issues have arisen-or have been amplified since Jimbo's departure.

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Nutinpa's picture

Also, Tyjon Lindsey, a top wide receiver who flipped away from us to Nebraska and now has a walk-on QB throwing to him for exactly 1 reception so far this year totalling 6 yards.  I know there may have been some personal reasons as well, but my point stands.

When Martinez comes back, Lindsey should get his touches if he truly is that good.  Besides.....the OSU coaching staff stuck with Austin Mack on Saturday night despite his dropping of nearly every pass thrown to him -- while there was a benchful of so--called zone 6 kids waiting for their chance.   It's too early to say if Lindsey made a bad decision.

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JCam061588's picture

You don’t just bench players because they are in a rut. Imagine had we benched Prince when he struggled. You think he would be what he is today?

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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NHBuckeye's picture

I'm not sure Lindsey is even playing much at Nebraska this year.  I watched like the last 6 mins of that game and he would field punts and then trot off the field as the offense was coming out.  

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HolyBuckey2002's picture

You are forgetting some other reasons they probably chose their respective schools....college is your home for 4-5 years. You have to be comfortable. You need to like the teammates, coaches, school, area, etc. Everyone has different likes. Some kids may be more comfortable at Nebraska or FSU. Yes Winning is the most important thing in CFB but you can't overlook the other factors. These kids are student-athletes and although it is hard to believe, some players do care about the academic programs too. So many factors go into a college decision. 

It...is....TIME!!!

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Urbanologist's picture

Ask anyone one of our receivers over the last 4 years.

Theire is only one truth...

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

I just asked Michael Thomas.  He just laughed as he counted the zero's at the end of his bank account and compared his stats to other NFL receivers. 

Then he called Keyshawn, and I could hear him laugh on the other end of the phone from several feet away.  

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DrSpaceman's picture

Man, I know I had some bad moments on Saturday night, but for an OSU fan you sure love to trash the players and the coaches.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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brandonbauer87's picture

Win or lose, I’d rather play than sit the bench. I think that trumps all. It’s not like they’re waking up on Saturday expecting to lose. Every player is (should be) thinking they’re going to win when they step on the field. 

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rkylet83's picture

If they’re playing and succeeding individually, then I think they probably are happy for the most part.  Even when your team struggles you can take satisfaction in the good things you or your smaller group does.  Also if they’re doing it right, football is only a portion of their overall experience.  

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TXNut2488's picture

I think most of these guys are only looking to get to the NFL. Sure a natty is amazing and great, but that's not the end goal. Woodbey is going to be a star, and FSU will get it turn around next year. Their O-line is literally the worst in the nation and has 4 backups starting. Jimbo only recruited skill position and no big recruit on the line wanted to play for Trickett.

Plus I mean, who doesn't want to go to FSU for a chance to wear the Turnover Backpack? ((Why they didn't make a turnover spear is beyond me))

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osu78's picture

Spears can't carry shoes and crab legs...

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I really believe that most come to love their school, so I doubt they regret that choice.

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Wargor's picture

Choice-supportive bias.  Most people don't like to admit mistakes, so most will come up with rationalizations as to why it wasn't a mistake.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

I would think that players that are able to showcase their talents individually wouldn't be as likely to regret their decisions (RB, DB's, DE's etc..). However, the one position specifically that I would guess has a more difficult time finding that right fit would be WR considering that their utilization relies so heavily on so many other people. Truth be told, until this year, if I were a top flight WR I don't know that a Meyer lead OSU team would have been a top selection of mine.

BTW...I see a bit of resentment for the Lindsay flip from a couple years ago. I recall being surprised at his flip, but and anyone remind me what the story behind that was?

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ARMYBUCK's picture

If I recall, it had something to do with Tate Martell.  I believe they had a falling out, and used to be as close as brothers.

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ARMYBUCK's picture

Nothing's ever about the name of the school or the ranking of the team. It's about where your heart is so you can be happy when you prosper.

— T-WAYNE... (@tyjonlindsey) January 11, 2017

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Lindsey and Woodbey wouldnt have broken the depth chart their freshman and possibly even their sophomore years. So no, I am sure they are not regretting anything because they are actually playing.

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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toad1204's picture

The offseason is the longest season.

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Keze's picture

If they are still not getting any playing time they totally regret it , the rest IMo about 20 % regret their choice.

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tosubuckeye's picture

Respectfully disagree IBleed as to Woodbey and him not being able to make the depth chart. Even though he's playing the Star position (outside backer) at FSU, he would have, IMO, (as an early enrollee) beaten out both Wint and Pryor. Has better size and ball skills than both. His comments challenging who should be Buckeye's qb sealed his fate. Of course, he's not with us, but, had he kept to his commitment he would have been a 3 and done starter for THE OHIO STATE BUCKEYES.  GO BUCKS!!!!

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allinosu's picture

I have wondered about Darney Holmes. He was influenced by family to stay home and UCLA is still average.

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BucknutinNC's picture

I know his little brother instantly regretted his decision to not pick up the Ohio State hat! LOL, sometimes even the little ones just know!

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lljjgg's picture

UCLA is still average.

That's putting it kindly, they're terrible this year. With the rest of their schedule (they still have Washington, Oregon, Stanford, USC, Colorado, Arizona State, Utah, and Arizona: almost all prohibitive favorites against UCLA except perhaps Arizona and Utah), I would be surprised if they made a bowl this season.

Holmes is definitely an interesting case. He's started at UCLA both seasons, so he's probably happy from that perspective. On the other hand, I think he would have a legitimate shot at contending with Okudah for that 3rd/rotational CB spot for a playoff caliber squad. Who knows, Okudah may have been moved to safety last year (as some originally projected him) had Holmes been here.

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Nick's picture

UCLA bowl game? I would be surprised if UCLA won a game this year.

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osu992's picture

He's the only one for me as well. We're probably better off that the two mentioned in the OP are not around.

Also Bubba Bolden, but he wanted to commit. We didn't have space. But...I'm also a Breezy Bolden fan, so...

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fenger's picture

Not related to Woodbey/Lindsey, but this thread made me look up Antonio Williams, looks like he's had a decent start with a couple of unfortunate events (an accidental targetting/ejection and a Florence canceled game),

the Tar Heels had been productive on offense after their season-opening travails on the West Coast, with Antonio Williamsbreaking some first-hits early in the game and having popped a 48-yard run

The UNC running game essentially went into mothballs after Williams was ejected

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

It didn't feel like Woodbey ever truly wanted to be a Buckeye. I'm not sure why he stayed committed so long. He would visit and seemingly enjoy his time on campus and gush about it for a week and then another week would pass and he would be publicly wavering. I believe this happened multiple times. It seemed like his head knew this might be the place for him to develop, but he was forcing his heart to be more into it than it really was. In that case I don't think you want a guy to sign who really doesn't want to be a Buckeye so I'm glad he ended up at FSU. Just wish he bit the bullet and decommited sooner. Truly an odd recruitment.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Sometimes recruits like to "hold their spot" then when they get an offer they feel is better they bolt. It happened with Carlton Davis.

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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bd2999's picture

Maybe, but I do not think at the time. Maybe they regret it in the sense of not getting to compete at the highest level but I imagine that they enjoy their coaches and teammates. It would really only be when reflecting and about the bigger picture that they may regret anything. If at all.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Sometimes they do. Just as Antuan Jackson.

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osudray's picture

Have any of you gone through a recruiting/commitment decision?

Once upon a time I was getting recruited to play D3 football, It's obviously not anywhere close to OSU or D1(and I am not trying to compare the level of recruiting), but it's still a big process at that level. Most good players around Ohio get to make the decision, play at Mount Union (OSU) and sit a year or two, or go somewhere else (any other school) and get beat by Mount Union. I chose a different school, to start as a freshman. I instantly regretted it by the first week of practice.

Playing sounds fun, until you know you aren't really playing for anything

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D-Day0043's picture

I’m sure there are plenty that regret their decisions, and there are some guys that just don’t care that much about winning. It’s not important to them. They just want to play.

Some guys aren’t cut out to play on a high-profile team where they get scrutinized for everything they do. I’m sure some guys just like to be popular and party. They know they are probably not going to the nfl and they just want to have a good time.

My point is, everyone is different and have different motives and agendas. We take the best of the best and some guys can’t handle that type of competition.

Now days everyone can get on television so players at some of the most obscure schools can get a look from the nfl. Take Khalil Mack for example; he played at Buffalo and still got drafted in the first round. If you have talent, they will find you no-matter where you are.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I think you go to a team like Nebraska, a team that is down for it's historical positioning, new coach, new philosophy, because you want to be a part of that next wave of great Husker. I don't think TL regrets that decision, yeah he's not on a winning team at the moment, but I think he feels like it was the place he wanted to be, regardless of the results on the field.

Woodbey, you know he'll never admit it, but you'd have to think that there might be a smidge of that regret over leaving the Buckeyes to go to FSU, but he, and no other player, would ever admit to it.

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Buck298's picture

Hmmm....looks like Tyjon may have some regrets after all.

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/forum/college-sports/2018/10/97220/tyjon-...

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Makes you wonder about the kid at this point. 

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stxbuck's picture

If a player is A-getting PT, and/or B-adjusting to the team/campus/academics well, they won't regret their decision. If a player is immature and unprepared for college, it might not matter if they signed w/ Bama or tOSU or Oregon-they aren't socially/emotionally/perhaps academically ready for college. If a high profile recruit transfers quickly, it is probably a sign that they weren't completely invested in their decision-they had to sign somewhere, so they picked somewhere-and hoped they would adjust.

Also, starhanderouters work under the false assumption that every 4 star is going to adjust to big time college ball like a fish to water-guess what-that isn't always the case-some players-even highly rated ones-would have been better suited going to a lower profile school, or a JUCO or becoming an instagram/youtube star.

The bottom line is that most recruits don't regret their decision NOT to sign w/ tOSU, they regret-or don't-the turn their college career took. Of course, Antwaun Jackson is the huge exception to this rule!

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