The FINAL Debate over the Barrett vs Haskins Great Debate!

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Elks' comb over's picture

Why is the title like you want people to have a debate over the two in this thread? A little misleading when it was a good post.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

And a little misleading when we all know it won’t be the last debate on this matter.

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

true... but I’m trying this new clickbate tactic I learned from this extremely highly respected journalist name McDouche or McDipshit or McSucksit..., can’t really say it right. I think it’s French or something 

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kmp10's picture

There is no debate, Navy... at least in my opinion. If given the chance to either bring Barrett back to play this year or keep playing Haskins, I could not say the name Haskins fast enough. There is no debate.

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buckzilla1's picture

Here ya go Bleed.

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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buckeyeku's picture

Dude, you just spend 1000 words comparing the two and then told us not to compare the two.

The reason for the comparisons is that many wanted Haskins to supplant JT last year and now are seeing how great the offense looks.  

I respect both guys, but it isn't just play calling.  Haskins is just a better quarterback.  Respect JT and his leadership though.

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

Exactly. You can compare the 2, but can’t really debate over who is better because they are so different yet people still are.... if Martel was the QB I think we could debate since J.T. and Tate play a similar game, but debating who is better at the game between J.T. and Haskins is like comparing a closing fast ball pitcher against a starter who throws lots of vaious speed and junk pitches. Similar but totally different  

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Bosco Baracus's picture

By that logic you are saying because Tom Brady and JT Barrett are such different athletes I cant debate on who is the better QB...

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Kangarooman's picture

Exactly. It's good that people are trying to be nice, but the debate isnt over because theyre different. The debate is over because Haskins is a significant upgrade.

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stxbuck's picture

No kidding-Terrelle Pryor eats Andy Dalton's lunch as an athlete, but there is a reason one is a starting NFL QB and the other moved to WR. Accuracy and  pocket poise really have noting to do w/ "athleticism" per se.

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RBurgundy4's picture

Is it okay to debate Burrow being better than JT? Looks to me like JTB may have been the third best QB on the roster last year, not second. 

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JCam061588's picture

Burrow has done nothing to suggest he is better than JT. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Gmac44135's picture

The talent on both teams are vastly different.  Ohio State was the most talented team besides Alabama over the span of JT Barrett's 4 years.  In JT Barrett, I seen a qb who peaked as a freshman, but did not see a jump in play by his senior year.  I thought he made that jump to be a dominant qb during that Penn State game, but he regressed mightily after that.  It is to be determined whether or not Joe Burrow is the better qb, and keep in mind that Joe Burrow has only been on Lsu for 4 months compared to Jt's 5 years here.

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Grisle's picture

2-0 vs Top 10 teams with less talent around him than JT had. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Which two Top 10 teams are you referring to? Miami has fallen all the way to #21.  Rankings at the time you play are meaningless, unless it's in Dec/Jan.  There shouldn't even be rankings in September. 

Did BYU really beat a Top 10 team in Wisconsin last week? Hell no.  Why?  Because Wisconsin never was a Top 10 team, and won't finish the season as a Top 10 team.  They were just put in the top 10 by a bunch of sports writers who generally put the same 25 teams in the AP Poll that finished in it last season.

As far as talent goes, LSU was ranked #4 in five-year recruiting averages by Rivals in 2017. They actually exceeded OSU's recruiting ranking in 2014 and 2015.  Those would be the juniors and seniors on both teams right now.

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TheDizzle's picture

Burrow has a 46% completion rate... that's fucking pathetic. He's not better than Barrett.

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

Cause it just means more.... I guess?

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Red Shirt Ensign's picture

Two of those games were Miami and Auburn...  What was JT's Comp % against Clemson and anyone else he happened to play that was comparable?  Im gonna wager pretty darn low and less yards than Burrow, and I would argue we still have more talent around JT than Burrows has around him at LSU

"Captain, over here, I've found someth... AHHHH!!!!!!"

 

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Squirrel Master's picture

33-39, 328 and 4 TDs vs #2 team in the country.

I agree with your overall point JT sucked at throwing the ball, but you forgot he has played well vs good teams.

Also, 16-26 for 300 yards and 3 TDs vs MSU in 2014.

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

Do you have the Clemson stats?  How about Iowa? 

the frustrating part was the huge swings in quality of play. We all knew how good he could be. But he often wasn’t that good. 

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tomgreg's picture

Clemson: 
127 yards passing
19/33
2 interceptions
0 TD

Iowa:
208 yards
18/34
4 int
3 TD

Onward and upward! Go Buckeyes!

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stxbuck's picture

MSU was one game. Clemson, USC, Wisky,scUM,etc,etc,etc.................

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Grisle's picture

His two best games in his 12 year career here, how convenient.

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JCam061588's picture

These things aren’t hard to look up man. MSU 14, UM 15, Notre Dame 15, Oklahoma 16, PSU 17. JT has several good games against elite competition. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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RBurgundy4's picture

LOL. Some of you are so predictably sensitive about JTB that it cracks me up. My comment was not intended to be taken seriously. Frankly, it was intentional snark because it's so easy to get a rise out of the JT Zealots. It's a tired, dead, non-discussion that goes nowhere. There's no debate to be had. It's over. Let it die a dignified death. Or don't.

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weareTHEOSU's picture

Ahhh, now you'll have the eye of that storm locked in on you RB4

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RBurgundy4's picture

Ahhh, now you'll have the eye of that storm locked in on you RB4

Haha. I'm actually inviting it, to a certain degree. It's nonsense and it has to stop at some point. 

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weareTHEOSU's picture

Agreed

The two most important days in ones life is when you're born and when you find out why you were born. We were born to be champions. - TyLue

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Buckeye4ever21's picture

Honestly I don't consider any of those teams elite!  The Oklahoma team in 16 was no where near what it was in 17.  PSU sat back in a soft zone and let JT pick them apart. In 14 and 15 he had some serious offensive talent around him.  JT was a FB playing QB that was a great leader and Haskins will be the 1st QB off the board and an NFL star. 

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Haskins is better than both JT and Joe, and it’s not even close. Sometimes people let emotions skew their reality.

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McGrind's picture

Reality bites for many on this site. JT was what fifth string at NO?  Burrow jury still out...but he is really focused on football, has the confidence of his team and coaches and already has notched two marquee wins...on the road! A certain genius coach with khaki pants hasn’t been able to do that in four years.

Said it two years ago...Burrow will get a shot at the nfl. He has the qualities to be a backup...we will see if he has the arm talent to be more.

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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HoosierBuck's picture

IF Burrow had the Bucks OL his completion % would be what he has had historically ...have you watched any of his games so far.?  Miami was in his face as was SEL as was Auburn. His OL needs to a better job.  By the way, Tiger fans are tickled pink to have him as is his team now.  Let it go... and GO BUCKS!

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Red Shirt Ensign's picture

They've been missing a guy like him for awhile now!

"Captain, over here, I've found someth... AHHHH!!!!!!"

 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Wait a second, we can account for horrible offensive line protection now? I thought that was rhe QB's fault.

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JCam061588's picture

We all know Haskins is the superior talent & as of right it’s clear he is the better QB when looking at the two collectively, that was never the debate. Most reasonable fans could see that & acknowledged that Haskins was/is the future. The issue is we are a fan base that is spoiled. The grass is always greener on the other side, especially when the team struggles. I saw posts wishing for Burrow just last night in the game threads. As a result whenever the offense struggled a rather vocal few downplayed JT’s strengths, overplayed his weaknesses, & were generally an unappreciative collection of asshats. JT is an all-time great college QB & we were lucky to have him, Haskins is the better QB, it’s his time, & we are just as lucky to have him too. That’s all there really is to it. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Guts's picture

JT is an all-time great college QB & we were lucky to have him, Haskins is the better QB, it’s his time, & we are just as lucky to have him too.

This was my entire issue last season. The better QB was on the bench.

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JCam061588's picture

We don’t know if Haskins was better collectively then & being more talented alone doesn’t mean you should start. More importantly if you think benching a 3x Captain who holds damn near every record for his position for an unproven upstart wouldn’t have any negative effects on the team, you’re crazy. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Bosco Baracus's picture

Worked for Alabama. 

Urban is loyal and that has had a more negative effect on this program than anything. Loyalty should never get in the way of what it takes to win. If you need any proof look at the 2 most successful teams of the last 20 years... Bama and New England

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JCam061588's picture

Not even close to comparable, Hurts is not the most productive player in the history of his conference/school, a 3x Captain, or a Senior, or the heart & soul of his team. Apples to Oranges mate.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

Hurts was 26-2, mate. Benched in the Natty in favor of a dude that played nil. A true freshman!!

And how about Clemson? Same thing.

The responsibility is to play the guys that give you the best chance to win. The loyalty should be to the program. Urban sacrificed a season. That’s unforgivable in my book. 

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McGrind's picture

Loyality should be to the team not any one individual.

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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Red Shirt Ensign's picture

Or any coach.... (Too soon?)

"Captain, over here, I've found someth... AHHHH!!!!!!"

 

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McGrind's picture

no

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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JCam061588's picture

Indeed It should be, but are you suggesting that JT being the starter was based purely out of loyalty? So being the most productive player in the history of the conference & the only 3x Captain has nothing to do with it? Come on guys, really? 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Kangarooman's picture

Yes. Haskins is better. The better QB was on the bench. There is no need to make it more complicated than that.

This isn't your dad's Buckeyes. Our third stringers would start on most teams we play. Any 3 year starting QB for a current Buckeyes team would put up numbers.

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JCam061588's picture

Haskins is better now I agree. That doesn’t mean he should’ve started last year. 

Our 3rd stringers got torched by one of the worst team’s in CFB, talent needs to be developed. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

3 time captain....doesnt make him able to quickly read a defense, hit a WR in stride, or the best player at his position.

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JCam061588's picture

No, but being the most productive player in the history of the program probably means that J.T. did those things a little more than you are insinuating. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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stxbuck's picture

So tearing it up against Rutgers and Maryland is more important than threading the needle when the pressure is on? That is the essence of your argument. Nobody will remember that Haskins only had 3 incompletions against Rutgers last week. They will remember that he didn't throw a bad ball in 38 attempts against a good team in a big time matchup-TCU.

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JCam061588's picture

Most productive player in history of program/conference>26-2. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

Check out Hurts’ Wikipedia page. Just read his freshman section. Arguably the best season ever for a Bama QB. 

JT was the QB of the best team ever at OSU. And they didn’t even make the playoffs because they couldn’t pass the eye (smell) test. That same team, with Cardale, smoked teams on its way to a NC.

Haskins got very few meaningful reps because the offense wasn’t good enough to pull away from teams. JT racked up the stats because he played so many minutes.

Urban called Haskins’ pick six last year “unforgivable”. What a joke.

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Bosco Baracus's picture

Not even comparable? Get real. It's probably the most extreme example of benching in college sports history and didn't have a negative impact. It's absolutely comparable to your statement. 

"More importantly if you think benching a 3x Captain who holds damn near every record for his position for an unproven upstart wouldn’t have any negative effects on the team, you’re crazy."

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JCam061588's picture

I repeat J.T. is LITERALLY the MOST PRODUCTIVE PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE CONFERENCE & THE PROGRAM & THE ONLY 3X CAPTAIN IN THE PROGRAM’S HISTORY. No, benching Hurts does not compare. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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JCam061588's picture

Denial equates to a factual statement? Lol? Is J.T. the most productive player in OSU & B1G history? Yes. Is Hurts that for his team or conference? No. Is JT the only 3x Captain in the history of the program & was he the heart & soul of OSU during his tenure? Yes. Was Hurts ever that? No. That’s the reality of the situation, just because they both played QB doesn’t mean they had the same impact. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Kangarooman's picture

JT was "the heart and soul of this team" is a factual statement? Out heart and soul was fine during Michigan last year. I guess we have a new heart and soul now? Lol

Maybe the simplest explanation is the better player is playing now. Cool heart and soul metaphor, though. Very dramatic.

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JCam061588's picture

Comparing a guy going down to injury to a guy being benched? They are not the same. Clearly context is something lost in this debate. 

Haskins is the better QB NOW. That doesn’t mean he was last year. He was coming into the season as the #3 guy before Joe broke his hand. Development is a thing. A lot changes in a year, as we know from firsthand expierience. The staff had an entire offseason to gel & fine tune the offense for Haskins while the rest of the team got another year to develop physically & mentally. The WR Corp has a new coach, who seems to be making an immediate impact in their development & all of them have had another year to get stronger, faster, & fine tune their skills. Yes, Haskins is the better player now. That doesn’t mean he was last year. What JT had done to solidify himself compared to what Hurts did is not the same. Bama routinely won in spite of Hurts’s flaws, JT with all his flaws had been putting the team on his back since his Freshman year. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Bosco Baracus's picture

Bama won despite Hurts flaws? I believe Hurts and JT both played the same Clemson team in the playoffs in 17. 

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JCam061588's picture

Context dude, this isn’t just about the last second loss in the championship game. During Bama’s 26-2 run with Hurts, Bama often won in spite of Hurts flaws, not because he put the team on his back like J.T. did on several occasions. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

And both lost, IIRC.

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RBurgundy4's picture

JCam - 

The change needed to happen after the Oklahoma game last year when it became painfully evident that JT's ceiling had in fact, been reached, and it wasn't high enough to win a Natty. B1G and a really great Bowl Game? Yeah, sure there's a chance. National Championship? No fucking way. Urban Meyer did a disservice to every other player and coach on his staff by leaving JTB as the QB after Oklahoma. They were deprived of a shot at the NC. That's when it should have ended for JTB.

Guess what. Someone will break JT's records one day. But a NC is forever, pal. And it's shared by a great many, rather than just one. I don't blame JT or hold him in any ill regard at all. Fighter, hard-nosed comeptitor who alway tried his hardest. I'm a fan of the kid. This was on Urban, not JTB. 

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Kangarooman's picture

This. JT was never going to beat Clemson or Bama. QB Bulldozer was never going to work against them, and it was time to move on.

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JCam061588's picture

You don’t bench proven captains/winners for undeveloped potential. Anyone with a brain knew Dwayne had the higher ceiling & we all know J.T. had reached his ceiling. However, the idea that Haskins was the better option in week 3 is ridiculous. As we saw he needed to develop. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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RBurgundy4's picture

You don’t bench proven captains/winners for potential.

Nick Saban and his most recent National Championship ring disagree. I'm with Nick on this.

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JCam061588's picture

Again, you’re comparing Hurts to JT. Hurts is a productive guy, but J.T. is literally the most productive guy in the history of the conference/program & was the heart & soul of the Buckeyes. Hurts was never that for Bama. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Bosco Baracus's picture

You can have his stats. Ill take two straight championship game appearances as more productive. 

JT was a great Buckeye and would love to see him back at the University one day though...

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JCam061588's picture

I don’t care about the stats, that’s just the reality of the situation. Hurst has no where near the resumé JT has nor was he as crucial to the psyche of the team. They aren’t comparable just because they played the same position. In context, benching Hurts was like moving on from Alex Smith in favor of Mahomes, benching J.T. would’ve been like benching Manning in his final season for Osweiler. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Guts's picture

There comes a point when you have to agree to disagree. You say you don't care about stats, but that's really all that is left in support of JTB at this point.

If you actually watch the games, it's painfully obvious that both Joe Burrow and Dwayne Haskins were better QB's. I get it. JT was a great leader and won a lot of games and broke a lot of records. But, when it counted most, in big games, against teams of comparable talent to Ohio State, he fell short.

He fell short and it was due to his awful passing game. He wasn't the best QB on the roster, but he was left on the field because of Urban Meyer's loyalty to him.

If records and stats were everything, a lot more Heisman winners would also be national championship winners. Something that escapes a lot of people that share your sentiment is that a lot of those broken records were due to the offensive system JTB played in and the stats he padded against far inferior competition. 

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JCam061588's picture

Awful QB’s don’t do what J.T. did regardless of the system.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Kangarooman's picture

Again you say crazy subjective things like "crucial to the psyche of the team." Our psyche looks just fine this year lol. Please tell me how he was crucial.

The debates over. JT should have been benched.

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JCam061588's picture

This isn’t the same team as last year’s. Haskins isn’t the same guy he was last year. In fact one of the key aspects mentioned by his coaches & teammates that he has improved this offseason was his leadership. 

Like I said before we have no idea how good Haskins was or if he was ready in Week 3 of last season as a RS Freshman. I think I’ll trust the opinions of the professionals led by one of the greatest college football coaches of all-time who saw him in practice everyday. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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JCam061588's picture

I don’t know how subjective it is to repeat what practically every coach & player of the team has said about JT over the past 4 years he was here. This is exactly what I mean, overplay his weaknesses, downplay his strengths. We know Haskins is the superior talent, we knew that he could & probably would develop into a superior player & he has appeared to do so in the first 3 games this season. I expect that to continue. With that said, that doesn’t mean he should’ve taken JT’s spot last year. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Bosco Baracus's picture

They are comparable. You just don't want to admit it. 

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JCam061588's picture

They aren’t & you know it. Hurts didn’t do as much for as long for as JT did. Hurts is just another Bama QB, they've been plugging QB’s & still competing/winning championships for years. Meanwhile JT had a historic career. They aren’t the same, they never were. Saying they are is like saying benching Bledsoe for Brady is the same as cutting from Manning for Luck.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Evannati's picture

I agree, Saban puts a higher priority on talent and Urban prioritizes experience.  Both positions are debatable.  Would an uninjured JT have brought us back against Michigan last year?  

Love, JT, hope they retire his jersey, he is a great athlete, but Haskins is the superior QB.  

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stxbuck's picture

Do you think Haskins or Burrow would have put up equivalent stats against the teams Barrett padded his stats against, or did he have a special talent for tearing it up against overmatched competition that the other 2 somehow lack?

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

That's what upsets me.. We will only get 1 year of Haskins if he keeps this up...

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Scooter's picture

Haskins didn't get a chance to start his redshirt freshman season and won't stick around for a 5th year.  If he did, all of JTs records would fall (except rushing yards by qb, if that's a thing).

Scooter

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JCam061588's picture

Maybe they would. But the fact still remains, that J.T.’s resumé & history are on a completely different level than Hurts’s who has become the crutch of the bench J.T. squad.  

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Bosco Baracus's picture

Wrong. You said benching Barrett would have negative affects on any team. We just brought up the best possible example against your point which happens to be Jalen hurts. There's plenty of other examples. 

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Kangarooman's picture

Ill take Dwayne on last years team and you can take JT on last year's team.

Who do you think wins?

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cecsix's picture

Why are people downvoting this and similar comments?  It's OK to disagree with the opinion, but if you're downvoting everybody with whom you disagree, you're doing it wrong. 

The fact is, Haskins is the best natural throwing QB at OSU in my lifetime, and probably ever.  And the second best is probably Troy Smith.  JT isn't in the top 10.  He was a fullback playing QB.  This isn't a criticism of JT as a leader or an overall player or a great Buckeye.  But the dude was NOT a good throwing quarterback.  IF watching Haskins spin it for three games hasn't shown you that, I'm sorry for you.  

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HoosierBuck's picture

"JT is an all-time great college QB & we were lucky to have him, Haskins is the better QB,"

Agree that Dwayne is a better PASSER.  Much too Early to say more.

TWT, but I will say I LOVE what I see of his passing!

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cbusbuckeye's picture

Go home dude, you’re drunk. 

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buckeyechick24's picture

IMO the offense desperately needed an accurate passer. A dramatic turn around compared to last year's offense. JTB is a legend in his own right but anyone with eyeballs and somewhat of a 20/20 vision can see that Haskins is a FAR better qb.

Go Bucks!

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

What's the debate? Kind of like the Yankees and red sox? There's no debate when one is so much more dominate. Well, as QBs go, HASKINS has no comparison.

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BeatTTUN's picture

but there is something that needs to stop, and that is the argument of Barrett vs Haskins and who was better! 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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rkylet83's picture

One is a future starting NFL QB.  The other isn’t.  Both are great OSU players.  

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Mastro16's picture

Actually, even though they run different plays, there IS a way to find out who is better: who wins more and performs better against elite defenses.

I don’t care to argue who is better, but the idea that neither can be just because they’re not the same is a false one. Who is better: Tom Brady or Mike Vick?

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Mastro16's picture

Also, the FINAL debate would’ve been the last one -  until this thread was made

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

Valid point... I think the difference between the two is one is a better QB and one is a better athlete. Maybe that’s the difference between JTB and Haskins. JTB probably all around a better athlete and Haskins is a better (more skilled) passer. 

Brady = Better QB (even though I hate him for being from TTUN)

Vick = Better all around athletically 

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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buckslan's picture

JT won a lot of big games, especially on the road. Let's wait a little longer before debating the 2. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Thank you. We don’t have enough data to go down this path. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Bucks - This is fair, JT was a winner, that can't be disputed. Haskins is off to a GREAT start with a win on the road @ Michigan last year, and a HUGE win vs. TCU. 

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JTstan16's picture

I thought we were gonna enjoy/cherish Dwayne's only season in Columbus without bringing up past players? Nah? Well y'all have a blast. I'll be outside with the other intellects of this fanbase. 

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I am Kirok's picture

Weren't you the guy calling for Joe Burrow in the Game Thread?

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I am Kirok's picture

Nope, I was wrong. You were calling to see Tate during the game. Enjoy being outside with the other intellectuals.

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Oakland Buckeye's picture

But guys - it has been declared as the final debate!

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gobucks5413's picture

What was happening in your brain when you posted this? I havent seen a jt thread in a good while

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

Reading lots of comments in other post where people where bringing up J.T. vs Haskins and honestly I was like “wtf are we still comparing the two?!” It’s like people are so fast to throw JT under the bus and basically say he sucked, but damnit he won a lot of games.... I’m a coach. I’d hate it if I had a player like J.T. and people continually said shit about him long after he left 

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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skinnytrees's picture

I will take the one that is currently on the field playing for us considering I can root for them

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Brutus_Bully's picture

There is no debate here

I do not at all have the mind of a bully... in my mind bullies are intolerant of contrary opinion, domineering and rather cowardly.

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raiders91sc's picture

JT was a RB playing QB but he had great leadership. Saban has the same thing going on down in Alabama last season and this season.  Guess who won the NT last year and is ranked 1?  The better coach.

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JCam061588's picture

Not comparable at all. Hurts resumé doesn’t come close to JT’s Not was he the heart & soul of Bama. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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raiders91sc's picture

Do you even watch football??  Hurts resume is better.  Same stats as JT and 1 national title as starter and a runner-up.  How many titles JT win as a starter?  

heart and soul what a joke.  talent wins titles.  
 

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McGrind's picture

Not even sure you could win a natty today even with Tebow...SECguys nailed it. want to 11-1, 10-2 fine to have a running qb...but not going to beat an elite d (bama, ga, clemson) without a downfield passing game. 

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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southbuc's picture

Was anyone else longing for a couple of QB keepers last night?  When the touchdown run came I screamed “finally”. It was open all night. 

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RBurgundy4's picture

Nope, I was not. However, I did feel as though it was bound to happen because TCU was inviting it - practically daring Haskins to run a few. Last night was perfect.

I say nope, because I don't want this team to fall into the trap of taking it repeatedly. Haskins talent is throwing. Let the RB's run and let him chuck it. Once or twice is fine, but quite honestly I really don't think that Urban Meyer will be able to discipline himself to NOT call for a Q-run 15-18 times. I mean, if you had to defend this Offense you'd want Haskins to run it, rather than throw it, wouldn't you? Bad idea for OSU and they should not take that bait.

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stxbuck's picture

I just wonder if Day/Wilson will have either A-the cojones, or B-the given freedom in play calling-to ignore Urban's preferences.

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tomgreg's picture

Well, I like how Haskins get's rid of the ball quickly and usually gets a completion....I'll say this much. 

Onward and upward! Go Buckeyes!

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

Y’all missed the point.   This is the end of the Haskins versus Barrett debate; that just means we now get to debate other pairs of players. I propose the following: 

Chimdi Chekwa or Tom Tupa

Eddie George or Jim Stillwagon

Jim Jackson or Brent Bartholomew

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Barfolomew's picture

Tom Tupa
Eddie George
Brent Barfolomew

Don't @ me

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

How about Tupa vs. George vs. Bartholomew then?

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RBurgundy4's picture

It's 1AM on Sunday and I thought I was trolling this thread. I just realized while reading through the comments that the whole thread is a work of troll art by the OP. Fantastic. I tip my cap to you, OP.

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Guts's picture

Funny, because you were the voice of reason in this thread. I tip my hat to you, good sir.

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kbab's picture

The question the coaches had to answer wasn’t who has the better arm. The question wasn’t who would eventually be the better qb-as we will eventually know that. The question that the coaches needed to figure out and that many of the fans ignore, is whether a redshirt sophomore would be better at leading the team over the season, or a 5th year senior. The question was whether Haskins was ready to take over the reigns of the team “last” season? None of us will ever know, but whether he was or not was something the coaches weren’t willing to put their livelihoods on the line.

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osu_killernuts's picture

JT had a great career with many records and accolades. Above that, he is a great man, leader and 3x team captain who learned from his mistakes and grew from them.

3 games in, Haskins looks great. I hope he is healthy and leads the Buckeyes to victory each Saturday.

Final debate? No thanks, I am still trying to get the world to agree who is better Michael or LeBron. When that is settled, I will focus attention on JT vs. Haskins (doubtful /s)

No such thing as a bad win

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Haskins probably improved a lot over the last season and the offseason, so I don't think if Dwayne had been our starter from day 1 in 2017 he'd be putting up the numbers he is now, and Barrett would likely have still been the better choice. That said, if Barrett magically got another year of eligibility now, I wouldn't even think of starting him ahead of Dwayne. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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e135800's picture

Nope.  JT is better.

 

 

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SoCarBuck's picture

Maybe someone already said this, but let's look at offensive coordinators/qb coaches. JT looked pretty awesome in 2014 with Texas Tom.  New guy in 2015 (can't say his name, it hurts) and same unnamed guy in 2016. New guy again in 2017. Plus, he suffered from what we all agree was a shitty receivers coach. I loved JT, and I love DH. Just trying to be fair to JT.

Just take a breath...

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I am Kirok's picture

Let us not pretend that a new WR coach two months (if that) before the season started is the difference. We are seeing a superior QB, period. JT won a lot of games but you don't win championships with running QBs anymore they have to be able to throw it quickly and accurately. 

Also, Mayfield needs to start for the Browns ASAP.

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ChazBuckeye's picture

Haskins, different skill set or not, is a WAY better passer than J.T. ever was.

Also, the Dwayne train is only in town for a year! (Don't even start...HE GONE!). Let's try and enjoy it....without comparing what is an obvious rhetorical question and answer. J.T.'s good, but he was never this good as a passer. (I don't think Mike Thomas and a host of other OSU wrs are lying...)

It is time!!!!!

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Timbucktoo's picture

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jt-barrett-1/gamelog/

I think JT’s stats are telling when comparing his production in games where tOSU was heavily favored versus marquee matchups. It seemed to me in marquee games Meyer buttoned down the offense and leaned on QB keepers to move the ball. Did Meyer not trust JT hurling the pigskin? Contrast that with how Meyer opened up the offense for Cardale and Haskins. Last year in the 2017 Michigan game, Haskins exhibited poise and leadership leading the team after JT’s injury. And does anyone wonder whether the outcome against Alabama would’ve ended differently had Cardale not been in to take the top off their defense, which backed up Alabama’s LBs and DBs and opened running lanes? In any case, Haskins is working with the same receiving personnel J.T. had last season, yet they are so much more dynamic and productive this year.

To end my thoughts, no need wonder who Michael Thomas would’ve preferred playing catch with, or who Harbaugh and ttun would’ve preferred to close out the 2017 game against based on their public statements. No offense to those here, but their opinions hold much greater weight to me than the opinions of the whole of this message board, including my own. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

 In any case, Haskins is working with the same receiving personnel J.T. had last season, yet they are so much more dynamic and productive this year.

Not taking sides, but receivers improve from year to year as well as QBs.  Is it not possible that Haskins is better than he was last summer and so are the receivers?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

Both guys were good at what they did. JT Was very efficient in short yardage . Our play callers did him no favors by making him the main runner instead of our RBs . JT was worn down by the end of the season. Also, Haskins is better, but not by much, we returned literally EVERY wr, our RBs and our o line looks better so far this year (more size up front). 

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tcm1968's picture

Two different skillsets that played the same position. Haskins has an elite arm and JT was an above average runner with an elite mind for the game. JT was NEVER going to have Haskins arm and time will tell if Haskins can learn the game at an elite level like JT did. Right now it's not close. The coaches don't even let Haskins audible and I'd guess a lot of the non-running is because he's still struggling with the RPO and getting that read right. Cardale never learned the game at a high level and got by on arm talent. I don't think that's going to be the case with Haskins so he should get better every week he's under center as he learns the game on the job...

Happy we had both of them...

Go Bucks!

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Timbucktoo's picture

Per the following article, it appears Haskins has quite a bit of latitude to change the playcall at the line:  

https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2018/9/11/17845072/ohio-state-football...

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stxbuck's picture

"Neither is better than the other"................yeah, like the Jamaican national track squad isn't really better than the Slovenian one......

The die hard "Barrett is just as good as Haskins" types are like the people who cling to belief in a flat earth. They want to self-validate their fanboyness in the face of a QB  currently demonstrating the best arm and accuracy in the history of the program. Could Haskins go belly up and wilt under pressure in Happy Valley-I suppose so-but the fact remain that he passed the test against TCU with flying colors-calm in the pocket and delivering laser strikes consistently. If the WRs hold on to the ball in the first half, the TCU game isn't even close. Sometimes poise and deadly accuracy trump "leadership" and a weenie arm.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

"Barrett is just as good as Haskins" types, probably just make winning the main thing. Until a QB wins more than Barrett than can't be better than Barrett. That's a reasonable take, winning is what matters, no matter how you get there. Personally, I'm taking Haskins over Barrett, and Barrett over Burrow. 

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Crumb's picture

Through three games, Haskins is better. But it is ONLY three games. 

This will never be the final debate.

I'm thankful for what J.T. accomplished here. 

I'm very excited about Dwayne has accomplished so far and for what he could accomplish.

This reminds me of being a 49ers fan when I was young (pun intended) in the 90's and they wanted to compare Montana to Young. Not that J.T. and Dwayne are on their level, but I'm just going to be grateful for what we've had, what we got, and enjoy the ride like I did back then!

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

It's not just three games. It's also through an entire off season. Best of luck though Joe! Wish nothing but the best for him. 

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Jamie Lannister's picture

Agreed.. This will be my last two cents about it. JTB was a great Buckeyes and a hell of a leader, and was efficient enough as a passer and only lost 6 games in his career and his accomplishments should be taken for granted. But with that being said, DH7 is just simply better and he elevated the WR corps and stretches the field in ways that JT couldn’t. Yes he was young last yr but the potential was obviously there and any coaching staff worth a damn could have coached him up. 

But there was no way Urban was just going to bench the face of the program, sure Saban did it with Jalen but that was different he didn’t resignate with tide fans like JT did with Buckeye nation. But that Wisconsin game Urban should have started Haskins and he should let the cards fall where they may after that.. But seems like loyalty always wins out with UFM.... The End

*Exhales*

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bd2999's picture

Two different players. Not ready to say too much on it until we see what Haskins full resume is at the end of the year. I agree with everybody else that Haskins is a better passer than Barrett was, but Barrett was a better runner and generally was good in any game situation. Haskins may be better, but not comfortable saying that after three games. Barrett has beaten good teams in his career too.

All that said, I think I prefer to watch Haskins, just because more of the skill position guys are involved and the plays do not seem to be as repetative. Just from my seat in the living room.

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MyStereoHasMono's picture

I mean sure Haskins is several tiers above JT when it comes to passing.  But what about MOXIE?  What about GRIT?  Ive ran the numbers on these and other scientific criteria and it turns out JT is actually basically the same guys.  JT had a 9.13 moxie rating cause that one quarter against Penn St (moxie has been scientifically proven to never have negative points deducted for poor performances in the face of adversity).  Lets not forget LEADERSHIP.  JT led Noah Brown and Jalin Marshall to jobs in the NFL way before anyone thought they shoulda left.  Job creator, moxie extraordinaire, Haskins throwin some passes has nothing on it.

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