A lot of unforced mistakes, but none were nearly as costly as TCU’s handful of mistakes. The offense will be fine if they throw away the cute plays that broke a couple drives. Defense is a hit or miss deal this year: turnover or a big play
Speaking of cute plays, I about lost it when we lined up in the wildcat on 3rd and 1 and then got a false start. Just run the damn offense like it’s supposed to be run.
Agreed. WTF was that.
The defensive touchdowns were not unforced mistakes. Austin Mack's 4 straight dropped passes killing drives were unforced. It was though it became a mental block, especially after he caught it again and spiked it in his hand. I guess that is what I get for point out he doesn't drop passes.
I think the DBs do need pass coverage technique work. I am not too worried overall. The coaching needed to be better. Ohio State did not take advantage of TCU over playing and shooting gaps.
I thought the defensive backs covered well for the most part, but need to finish. They were in position but need to knock the ball away. TCU receivers made some great catches though.
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Exactly. There was no speed or athletic advantage for TCU. It is the other way around. TCU tackles correctly. They wrapped the legs. No big hits. That isn't good football.
The good news is that I don’t think there’s a single offense in the B10 that can do anything remotely close to what TCU can do. The bad news is that if we make the playoffs, those offenses will be just as good. Lots of work to do if we expect to compete and win in the postseason. But for now, this was a nice win. Just need to improve every week.
My thoughts exactly. No way we're ready to see "Bama right now. But we have time... let's just get out of the B1G unscathed, and tighten up the defense along the way.
I’m disappointed that we are able to recruit at the level we do but we consistently put a defense out there that gets gouged for huge yards and plays and doesn’t seem to be elite. We have elite units but never an elite total D. I mean, Fichigan has a better D than us year in and year out. Any thoughts on what Clemson, Bama, and Fichigan got that we don’t? We’re recruting just as well if not better than they.
Yeah, wonder if it is all the turnover. Those defenses you note have a lot of 4th & 5th year players, we have three 4th year players: Jones, Arnette, Landers.
Right.....Alabama has 8 new starters on Defense
Not saying it can’t be overcome, just a factor. Alabama doesn’t seem to rotate in as many underclassmen as starters as we do but I could be wrong.other factors I worry about are recruiting athletes and few gamers and linebacker coaching. But I don’t get the big bucks.
Alabama has not played any good teams yet. At least they were not playing Middle Tennessee and Georgia Southern.
Was Ole Miss supposed to be halfway decent? Bama annihalated them.
Ole Piss has no defense, they are the new Texas Tech of the SEC
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Got it. Thanks, Cbus.
Iowa didn't have a great offense last year either...….until they played us. I'm sure we'll be able to come up with an excuse if that happens again this year
This is the risk of playing quality opponents early in the year. You know you're not where you should be (or where you will be) and could lose a game like this based on a few costly mistakes. The important thing is the Bucks never appeared to get down, and battled all night long. With the outstanding coaches we have, it's going to be fun to watch this team improve dramatically over the course of the season, and I'm sure they will.
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Just a great comment.
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I'm not convinced Billy Davis is an outstanding coach.
Get on landgrantholyland and read the article they wrote on him...….unlike this site they don't pull punches
I was shocked at how well TCU played given how they looked in their first two games. They obviously were looking ahead to OSU in previous weeks and were very well prepared and had that "hair on fire" mentality. I wasn't extremely concerned because I didn't think they'd be able to keep it up but I was very impressed by their aggressiveness on both sides of the ball.
Now I hope they continue that level of play, because they could win the big 12 and make that win so much better for us.
I agree they will improve, We have 3 linebackers, 1 corner and 1 safety who are young and inexperienced. They got some valuable experience tonight as well as hanging tough and grinding it out.
If you don't start playing quality opponents early in the year when do you play them? I feel a lot better about going into Happy Valley in two weeks now then I did before last night. That game could very well determine the East representative in the B10 championship game and the stands will not be half filled with Buckeye fans.
Much, much more than 50% Buckeye fans at Jerry World. At least 70-30.
LB corps looked overmatched out there.
I do not understand how we have 4 and 5 stars galore within that unit yet struggle to field even a single competent backer. I don't know whether it's lack of development or if we aren't recruiting kids with instinct. But if there's one unit that's going to keep us from winning a natty this year, it's that one.
Actually I was very encouraged by the LB corps. They struggled early but seemed to get better later in the game. Still need some real work at stopping the run but the LB's did get better on the pass later in the game. Outside of Mack's numerous drops, Zone 6 looked really good.
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AGREE. They looked lost early, but the linebackers played much better in the second half and in the fourth quarter they were all over the field.
Sometimes it seems when playing an opponent with many various sets etc. our staff tries to stop everything by making alignment/assignment adjustments to every different look. When they just go solid, accept there will be times we will line up blocked, and might give up a play, we play better. that seemed to be the case last night. Just be solid should be our motto. We recruit better athletes, count on them to make p[lays when outnumbered.
I do ….look at their coach
I think they are good players, but have a knack of not filling the right holes. That is coaching and needs to get better before it costs us a game.
Not entirely sure that is coaching or instinct, but the coaching does appear to be suspect. The other issue that they have, with the exception of Borland, is not being good at sliding off blockers to make plays at the point of attack. Borland is an instinctual linebacker which makes me worry that most of the others aren't. The problem is some things are not easily taught. You have the talent or you don't. Great HS athletes don't necessarily translate in great college players. Better then average sure, but not always great.
When will Urban learn to hire quality coaches over family friends? He cannot afford another gaffe in this area.
Read the article on landgrantholyland. They have an article last night that covers this exact topic
The low snaps, the drops, and the DBs misplaying the ball have me concerned. Also, I keep hoping to see Justin Hilliard out there with the 1s. The guy seems to flow to the ball well and he hits like a truck.
Couldn't agree with you more. Hilliard is a natural inside linebacker. Browning and Harrison isn't. Also, you can clearly tell that Harrison has no desire to take on a block, via that long 93 yard run last night. Also, Browning is clearly better making athletic plays out in space, so let him do that, along with potentially bringing him on blitzes from outside the defensive end. Our defensive scheme can be much better, which will put our players in position to succeed. You coach to your players strengths versus forcing them to fit your scheme. Arnette is a pass interference/illegal contact call waiting to happen. How many is Schiano going to put Wint in the game and get burnt? Wint isn't what we need back there yet. He's just not, so stop forcing the issue. The problem with our defense is the scheme and coaching. Period.
This feels like the PSU game last year. You escape with a win, and hope the team gets better for it. I‘m just glad we play Tulane next week and not Iowa.
Though it never led to a turnover or really even a broken play
The one play I think the low snap absolutely destroyed was the two-point conversion attempt. That play looked about as organized as a shit fight in the monkey house at the zoo, and it all started with Haskins (once again) picking the ball off of his shoe laces.
And, dear God, could somebody teach those freshmen pursuit angles?
Otherwise, learning from a win is always better than learning from a loss - provided you learn.
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That play looked about as organized as a shit fight in the monkey house at the zoo,
Im not one to single out a player but if Mack holds on to a few balls it's a different ball game.
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I'm an unapologetic Austin Mack fan, but he was TCU's best player tonight. Tough game, to say the least. Still have faith in him.
What confused me the most was how he could make that great catch on the deep ball, then Corey Smith a touchdown pass.
I think that drop got in his head. Had it happened anywhere else on the field, I think he shakes it off. But, it was 3rd down, in the end zone. That leaves a taste in your mouth & it took him a while to wash it out.
Agreed. I'm not bailing on him by a long shot, and I'm glad Hartline didn't either. Frustrating game for him. Was glad to see Haskins didn't shy away from going to him and he did make a big catch after his troubles. Not a pattern, just a rough outing.
Absolutely. No one is perfect and the kid didn't have a great game, but overall it wasn't garbage, either. I'm positive he knows far more than us what he did wrong, and that he'll bust his ass to improve it.
I agree Austin had a bad night. But I liked our staff's reaction as opposed to TCU's head man's reaction to a mistake. Our coaches didn't get in his face, go on to the field to scream him down or gesture. Correctly, we knew we would need him to make a catch, or block, etc. and let him play out of the funk he entered on the TD drop.
Patterson, the Legend across the field last night, seemed to think he was the reason all of the fans showed up, or tuned in.
Agree with all the takes. TCU has a hell of a team and I think it's a good thing The Buckeyes got a chance to play them now because they can learn from this the most now, early in the season so that they are an even better team from this point on. Thanks TCU for providing the adversity needed for some real growth!
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Nah, it should take one film session for a guy like Werner to understand he's tipping his blitzing to the QB and Online with how he lines up. He gets set and then switches his feet EVERY TIME and you know he's coming. That's not coaching. That kind of stuff is execution. That's on Werner. Same with our LBs having a HARD TIME shedding blockers and just getting blasted out of their lanes..
The problem for Davis and Schiano is we don't have depth with any kind of experience. It's just going to be a long year with the linebackers.. just have to hope they get better each week and learn from their mistakes..
I'd still love to know why they are so hellbent on Borland or Browning at MLB and whichever one isn't in is on the sidelines.
Still think we are going to need one of the kids to step-up before seasons end if we want to have a championship level defense. We've just got this hodgepodge of guys who are either good against the run and not great in space or pass coverage or vice versa and not great against the run..
But if we can see it, the coaches should too and need to help him fix it.
Alabama consistently replaces linebackers and defensive backs, however, you don't have the same issues every year. It's coaching and scheme. Play Hillard in the middle and play Browning and someone else on the other side. This is Ohio State, I find it hard to believe that all of a sudden we can't field a true inside linebacker. I'm not buying it. This is the second time we've had this issue since Urban has been here. Our linebackers are weak, period. Harrison doesn't even look like a linebacker or play like one. The guy is afraid to take on blocks. If you want to play Tuf, scheme a different defense upfront, in the middle of the line. Play bigger bodies, which will allow the offensive lineman to stay off Tuf, because the kid isn't big enough. As a coach, you scheme your way into a victory or scheme your way that fits the personnel you want to play. It's not rocket science.
Drue Chrisman had a surprisingly bad game. Looking forward to him bouncing back.
New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.
Yeah hopefully he kicks it up a notch moving forward.
I think a lot of what looked like a "bad" game from Chrisman was the way the coaches wanted to deal with TCU's Turpin, who is a very dangerous punt returner.
Drue was asked to punt the ball higher and shorter so as not to outkick the coverage. He wasn't being allowed to cut loose like usual.
I think he did an amazing job of sacrificing his stats in order to carry out the coaches' game plan. Other than one sort-of shank in the third quarter, he performed what was asked of him perfectly.
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This is true risk management by the coaching staff to remove the impact of TCU's most dangerous player.
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Given that Drue didn't have a punt returned against him until the last game of last season, there is certainly some middle ground between 35 yard pop ups and 65 yard line drives.
Ohio State's specialists are usually reliable and a strength of the team, but that wasn't totally the case on Saturday night.
Kevin, what in the hell are you talking about here? ST has been an abomination to football ever since Urban Meyer had someone unpack his boxes for him in Columbus. There has been one problem after another over the past 5-6 years. Usually reliable? Really? Tonight was a great night, other than the missed FG by an 8th year kicker. Hell, tonight was a banner night for ST play. Flipping stellar. Reliable strength?
Of Drue Chrisman's 51 punts last season, 15 were over 50 yards and 25 were downed inside the 20-yard line, and he didn't allow a punt return for the first 10 games of the season. He was a Ray Guy semifinalist last season.
And Sean Nuernberger struggled as a freshman, but since then has made 80 percent of his field goals (Mike Nugent's career percentage was about 82 percent) and he is on pace to break the NCAA record for most consecutive extra point makes, and he already owns the Big Ten record.
So yeah, I'll stand by that #take.
Turpin was rendered a complete non-factor in the game. That's a huge win for OSU.
I just don't get where you think that ST has somehow been a reliable asset over the past several years. Do you recall all o fthe KO's OOB last year? Or the god-awful KO returns? Hell, they didn't even drop/muff a punt tonight. That's a (rare) win. The ST have basically been shit, Kevin. Thanks for the reply. I still like you.
I'll defend Kevin. I mean an OOB kick is only a very decent starting field position for the opponent. So while annoying, they aren't ultra costly like other ST blunders that we haven't committed.
I will say that punt returner has been an eye sore that needs to be addressed. Jalin, Dontre, and Philly all struggled to field the punt, and now demario seems to be the one. But so far this year it hasn't actually cost us anything.
If you look at KR against averages though we are consistently among the nation's best, and our punters under Urban have been nothing short of spectacular. While Tress wouldn't approve of the field goal %s, it's not a philosophical emphasis of Urban's to have a good field goal-kicking team. We score a lot and we're good at kickoff coverage, that makes us efficiently better than most.
Despite the miscues on ST that you point out, the stats tell a different story. OSU has been Top 10 in starting field position for the past five years, IIRC. You're staring at trees and aren't looking at the forest.
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Conveniently leaves out return game.... and oh Urb’s everybody to the left side of the boat got exposed as well...very lucky that wasn’t TD.
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He said specialists and not special teams :) Big difference imo...
Ohio State's specialists are usually reliable and a strength of the team, but that wasn't totally the case on Saturday night.
Ohio State's specialists are usually reliable and a strength of the team, but that wasn't totally the case on Saturday night.
The heading was Special Teams. I have to agree with Burgundy here. This was some of the best special teams play I’ve seen since Urban came on. We had a blocked punt, held them to virtually no return yards and constantly had them starting back on their own +-15 yard line. Also, I disagree that Special Teams has been consistent and the strength of the team. That’s one of those narratives that the ESPN announcers always push given that Urban always oversees special teams but one that most Buckeye fans now isn’t true. Between having Weber return kicks, the coffin corner kicks that go out of bounds, and the loss to PSU almost solely due to our awful special teams play in 16, I thought Kevin was wrong regardless of how he stands by his #take. But I still like him too.
We have mental lapses on D. It's the reason we didn't put TCU away earlier. When we get a lead, and our D mails it in. Not really our D, but the back 7. Very frustrating. Happy we got the win though. Our D-line is legit, and Haskins is a star.
That and Mack’s drops, our inability to score a TD on that opening drive with two blunders, and the missed field goal, among other things.
Kevin I agree with ya here but give us one day to revel man!!
That's why early season tests--true tests--are so invaluable. I think this team is going to respond to this game with an understanding that this game was maybe a 60/40 proposition because of a lack of execution. Linebackers not being responsible. Defensive backs losing on 50-50 balls. The o-line failing to assert itself in the red zone. Penalties. There's a lot out there to clean up, but they just beat a top-15 team on the road with their B-game. This team is still pretty damn good.
Our defense is f*cking garbage. I know no one wants the hear the truth but if this team played Bama, they would shit all over these Buckeyes, spare me the details about the Sugar from four years ago. When was the last time a team put up 500 yards of offense on the Buckeyes? There's something rotten about our defense and it definitely needs to be cleaned up. Rant over.
Look closely, because the closer you think you are, the less you will actually see.
I would be curious to know how much yardage we gave up to Bama and Oregon in '14, just for the sake of comparison.
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Alabama had 407 yards and Oregon had 465.
In other words this is somewhat of an overreaction. Things definitely need to improve tremendously, but I wouldn't go all doom and gloom yet. Remember that MSU had over 500 yards on tOSU in 2014 as well.
Also remember that those were the last two games of the season. Our defense will improve as the year goes on.
Thanks, Brutus. Much appreciated.
Its the third game of the season. You want an upward trajectory as a team. We wouldna beat Bama early on in '14 but we peaked at the end. That is what we want this season. We want to be ferocious by the big ten Championship and show lots a little promising things along the way.
From what little I have seen this year the biggest difference between 14 and this season is that Alabama's QB this year is lights out better then the guy we faced in that game. I am not going to make proclamations about the out come of potential games months form now, but atm OSU would not likely come out on top against the Tide.
Pretty much what everyone above said, both good and bad. ;-)
Glad we got the W.
Go Bucks! Beat Tulane!
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those snap issues are going to be drilled into Jordan’s head until he’s snapping the back perfectly in his sleep.
haskins worried me early, it looked like the pressure was causing him to get erratic with his throws, most notable when Ben victor had his man beat. Haskins uncorked it too early and under threw the big man. However, late in the game he was much more poised and playing lights out
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I have to disagree with your take on Haskins. No question he’d like to have that Victor pass back, but other than that I can only think of one other uncatchable ball.
The fact that he didn’t muff even one of those snaps was remarkable. What impressed me the most however was how he has already learned from his interception against Oregon. When the pocket collapsed he was content with going down with the ship and avoiding the turnover. Needless to say one turnover could have potentially led to a 14 point swing that could have reversed the outcome of this game.
We knew he could sling it, but his mental game (and short stop skills) impressed the hell out of me last night.
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I would expect the CEO to call a meeting at 7:03 am on Monday. Nice win, appreciate the work and efforts but I've made a list of a dozen areas where we need (and must have) immediate Improvement.
Take control and improve as much as possible.
Amazing game! They all can’t be like Rutgers. Give a lot of credit to TCU I was sweating for a little while
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My wallet would have preferred a few more points at the end but I'll take the W.
I've got to stop expecting everyone to play perfectly every game. :)
Some bad things here and there are going to happen, just glad that we made adjustments and got out of there with the win. That was certainly a quality opponent and we won't see an offense (speed & spread) like that again, until the playoff.
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The Safety position opposite Fuller is a big problem. Both Pryor and Wint are struggling with angles and picking up the ball. On the 93 yard touchdown run Pryor took a horrible angle and that was that. On one of the long TD throws Wint was there but looked lost when the ball was in the air. This is a big area of concern and has been all season so far. The long runs by Oregon State were similar issues. We need some speed back there.
I think they should test Wade or someone at Safety and let Sheffield/Arnette/Okudah play the cornerback position.
Perfect game at this time of the season to gauge where our team is, and where we need to be--and we got a W in the process. Of course we have things to work on, but isn't that all part of the process? and did I mention we also got a W?? 3-0, baby, and our Coach is coming back...GO BUCKS!
Go check out landgrantholyland they have an article that covers our most glaring weakness, LB Coaching if that is what you want to call it. If Urban Meyer can't find a better LB coach he can get use to Dabo getting in his in recruiting & on the field for years to cum.
One of the biggest plays that nobody is mentioning is Justin Hilliard's hit on Turpin when they tried the trick play on a kickoff. He caused him to hurry the throw and it was called back for being a forward lateral. If he had more time to make the throw, that would have been a touchdown and a HUGE momentum shift.
I love having Urban Meyer back and all of the coaching staff save one, Bill Davis. Coach Meyer has this desire to take care of his hires to a fault( Smith, Withers, Hinton). I would love to know if DC G Schiano is in his ear saying anything like “He’s going to cost us another game! He cost us Iowa(not the only issue). When is this experiment over bc I don’t want the spot light on me bc of a coach I want to drop off at the bus station!” I just hope Schiano is pushing the issue with Meyer if he is blinded by friendship.
The future is bright at Ohio State!
Say what you want about coach Saban, but he's defensive coaches are on point. He consistently hires the best coaches, regardless of whatever baggage they may have. Billy Davis shouldn't have been hired in the first place.
I now live in Fort Worth and as you may know TCU is all you hear about around these parts. A buddy of mine is an alumni that knows coach Gary personally... He has been preparing for OSU for hours a day and months on end. He spent hours the morning of the Colonial Fort Worth Invitational pro-am he was playing in creating a defensive scheme to stop one play we run better than anyone(his words). He is a good coach who runs a unique program with loads of undersized, fast as hell talent. We won't see a team with their speed again until Bama in the NC and that's questionable... TCU has insane speed on both sides of the ball and as painful as it is for me to say as a Buckeye by birth and an SMU Mustang by education are a formidable opponent. Also, despite how well our fans travel this was a home game for TCU... That always helps... My observations on where we can improve.. Secondary has to spot the ball, they were in great position all night.... Mack has to demonstrate more reliability or should be replaced until he does. Work on putting ourselves in third and manageable and converting... Too many drops and too many cutesy plays.. With that said our team is young and has insane potential. Haskins progression capabilities, poise, accuracy and arm strength is NFL round one talent. JK Dobbins is pure beast mode and IMO has earned at least 60% of the carries moving forward. Lastly, we have a complete offense with no gaps because of our QB first who I can only say could benefit from a bit of mobility but I wouldn't trade him for anybody else, a duo of All American RBs and what I think will be a solid receiving core. Our defense needs Bosa back and to grow up fast if we hope to win another NC.