Eleven Warriors Roundtable: Buckeyes About To Lick Some Toads

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JimmyVanP's picture

Pleasant surprise - just how little Haskins is actually running the ball. Like I know our offense is obviously changed for him from JT because of the whole passing vs dual threat qb styles but still I expected a couple more designed QB runs in there, especially if it's Urban's gameplan. No offense to him but I know how much he loves the QB read play even when it's not really working, so if the current coaches truly are just executing Urb's gameplan of not running Haskins at all I'm very fine with that.

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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TigerSweat's picture

It would be horrendously stupid to put your Heisman caliber passer in more danger than absolutely necessary. One designed QB run with Haskins is one too many. This team isn't a National title level team without dwayne. Tate could possibly get them through the season and maybe into the playoffs but we've seen what happens when a running QB heavy offense matches up with a defense like Clemson's.

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JimmyVanP's picture

Urb didn't seem to show that before

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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cledaybuck's picture

 the play of Tuf Borland and Pete Werner has disappointed.

one player who comes to mind as a player I don't think a lot of people expected to make a big impact this year, but has performed well so far, is Pete Werner. With more experienced linebackers like Keandre Jones, Justin Hilliard and Dante Booker all in the mix for starting spots, I was a bit surprised when Werner was named a starting outside linebacker for the season opener. But he's been the Buckeyes' best linebacker so far this season, in my opinion, and it's easy to see why he's drawn so much praise from Urban Meyer and his other coaches since arriving on campus

So has Werner been good or bad?

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Nutinpa's picture

Yeah, even the writers seem to disagree about Werner -- and Borland.   Regardless, they better bring it tomorrow night, or our lofty predictions will be truly challenged.

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burger1124's picture

Not to bring other Buckeyes-related sites into things, but the Bucknuts roundtable also praised Werner as the lone bright spot on the LB core.

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PhillyNut's picture

I was going to suggest that Dan and Jake need to meet in a caged death match to decide this question.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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kmp10's picture

Binjamin Victor gets going for the first time this season as he dominates the Horned Frog’s secondary with 90 yards and two touchdowns on five catches.

Wow, that's bold. I hope you're right.

Buckeyes beat the brakes off this undersized, overconfident TCU team... and I almost never make blowout predictions, but the Ohio State offense finally looks like it has a quarterback who can consistently, impressively, and accurately stretch the field. A multi-dimensional offense takes the program from a B1G title team that easily beat USC in the Cotton Bowl to a legitimate national title winning threat. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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Thomas 7's picture

TCU overconfident?  What a laugh?

I’ve seen no one picking TCU.   OSU does exude this feeling of invincibility, despite giving up 37 to The Beaver Patrol.

I’m a TCU supporter and long time fan, and former student athlete, for a skosh.

i wish I could see a TCU victory here, but I’ll stick with 48-27.   I do think they have a shot, and it all depends on the talented Shawn Robinson.   If he can finally hit deep targets, and the defense flies to the ball, they could take down Goliath.

i like it here.

Sir Thomas

Thomas

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TigerSweat's picture

The Oregon State Fuzzy Beavers accrued the majority of their yardage and points after our defensive starters were being pulled out of the game. Not worried about the defense in the slightest (ok, maybe I am worried about the LB's a little)

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kmp10's picture

TCU overconfident?  What a laugh?

I’m a TCU supporter and long time fan, and former student athlete, for a skosh.

First, you don't need a question mark after the word laugh. A former student should probably know that. 

Second, I don't give a rat fuck what you are.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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Buckifan4Life's picture

I appreciate all the pregame and post-game football coverage, but I also enjoy the recruiting angle. Does anyone know if/when the "Hurry Up" will be coming back? 

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PhillyNut's picture

I have noticed that the recruiting info on Cleveland.com has gone strangely silent for the same duration of time that the Hurry Up has been gone. Conspiracy theory time - the writers on both sites are the same but using separate pen names. I also believe that additional evidence is available from when Doug L. from Cleveland.com is criticized on here at least one writer always comes to Doug's defense. Yeah, Doug and your doppelganger, I am calling you out.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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TMac's picture

I'll be surprised if TCU can get to 21 points, Buckeyes cruise!

ONE Not Done!

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Nutinpa's picture

I will be shocked if they DON'T get to 21 points.  They may not get 31 like Oreg State did, but this is a really athletic team and our back 7 on D are still shaky.  I still see a 45-24 score, good guys.  

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elgolfdog's picture

Oregon State got 31 points, but you don't think #15 TCU can get 21?

El Golfdog

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TXNut2488's picture

I think Oregon State is a lot better offensively than people are giving them credit for, and having Fuller back definitely changes the D...but gotta disagree with the OP, TCU gets 24.

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Thomas 7's picture

Beavers imprint 37 on Bucks at home.   TCU would annilate Oregon St.  Your saying the Frogs won’t get 20.    Now there’s narcissism for ya.

Thomas

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EasyEMoney5's picture

Hey Tom, welcome to 11Warriors. Good luck this weekend. By the way, this is the second post you've made claiming Oregon State scored 37 points on Ohio State. Simple fact check would show it was 31. I know its a technicality, and I'm being petty, but you aren't helping your credibility. Have a good one.

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TigerSweat's picture

He also doesn't seem to realize that the buckeye starters were being phased out of the game by the time Oregon State began to see some success... In the first half, when our starting defense was in the game, Oregon State couldn't do much of anything at all. He is also completely dismissing the fact that the silver bullets only gave up 130 yards and 3 points the very next week (that must not fit his narrative)

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IGotAWoody's picture

Hey, nothing wrong with loving on your home team, but you're basing this "annihilate"-ing Oregon State based on wins over Southern (Southern? That's a thing?) and SMU?

Also, as has been pointed out already, if you're gonna crow, get the numbers right - Ohio State beat Oregon State 77-31.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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JeremyJ3028's picture

I’m fairly certain putting 77 points on anybody with a solid 26 minutes of your back-ups playing is quantified as annihilation. Also, you could go circle jerk with these cats and hem and haw over your horny toads. https://www.frogsowar.com/ 

Prediction: Buckeyes define the word annihilation for you at the rate of 56-17. Then maybe you can fit the Beavers into that home & home you ducked out of for 2019 and we can laugh as they paste 48 on you, Sir Thomass.

 

The good, the bad, the ugly...Buckeye for life.

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osu_killernuts's picture

I think Haskins has big game along with Campbell and the RBs. The two areas of concerns when matching up with TCU is the Buckeye OL and LBs. I am predicting a good game from the OL and a less than desired game from the LBs (TCU exposes them a few times).

No such thing as a bad win

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Thomas 7's picture

Here’s a man who has thought things through, correctly imo.

Thomas

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IGotAWoody's picture

You seem to think other Buckeye fan predictions on here are somewhat outrageous (like someone saying the Bucks will hold TCU to 21 pts or less), but then you predict a 48-27 OSU win. It's headscratching, indeed. You're predicting exactly what many on here are predicting.

Myself, I see the score being more like 37-24.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Cooper's picture

If the first two games have shown anything, I think Bin Victor is the odd man out for the heavy WR rotation this season.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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JTFor President2016's picture

McLaurin has surprised me so much. Before the season I predicted he would be the odd man out. Although you have to give credit for Victor making that downfield block to spring Weber for a touchdown. It’s rare to see a receiver fully invested in blocking when they aren’t getting targets. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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BuckeyeSouth's picture

So Jake, the Buckeyes aren't in your top 4 of the B1G East?

Champions.  Undisputed.  

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Smooth Lee's picture

You should know better, and I suspect you actually do; that's the next four behind OSU

smooth lee

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avail31678's picture

OSU doesn't crack the top 4 in the B1G East, eh Jake?  

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mizzer's picture

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think he was stating the top 4 THREATS to the Buckeyes.

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RBurgundy4's picture

Jake:

...but the play of Tuf Borland and Pete Werner has disappointed.

Dan:

but one player who comes to mind as a player I don't think a lot of people expected to make a big impact this year, but has performed well so far, is Pete Werner.

I'm with Dan on this re: Werner, by a large margin. Harsh take, Jake. I see a kid who can really run, is aggressive and physical. He's made a few mistakes that should be expected from a soph getting his frst regular PT, but he'll stick his nose in there and his potential is pretty high, IMO. He's going to get better each week as things slow down for him. Worth the investment.

#CalpoppyStrong

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PhillyNut's picture

The take on Tuf is also unfair, he is still trying to get fully healthy. Even at 90% the difference will be noticeable versus being 100%.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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RBurgundy4's picture

I agree, PhillyNut. Tuf's played, what, 15 total snaps while returning from injury? To say he's been disappointing is just plain silly and ridiculous. Frankly, I completetly ignored that part of the statement because it's such a bad take it doesn't warrant a response.

#CalpoppyStrong

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but until we play Clemson or Bama, let's stop with "this will be the best/fastest/world-beating D-Line our OL will face" sentiment. Our OL faces the best DL everyday in practice.

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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Duccivespucci's picture

I’m still concerned with the linebacker play. It’s been below par last year and so far this year. It was better vs Rutgers, a pro style team. Lots of talent in that room. My question to the staff is... do you think the sub par play is more Schiano’s scheme or what Bill Davis is teaching them in the room? I’ve always questioned Davis because he spent his career in the NFL and doesn’t understand college game. What say you? 

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JTFor President2016's picture

Well considering OSU has ran the same coverage on 1st and 2nd downs since 2014, I’m not sure it’s a schematic thing. They run the most “basic defense” in scheme. Most difficult in execution. Quarters defense is great because you can run it against any look and never have to change. You run the same defense against Michigan that you’d run against Oregon. But in order to be successful you have to have disciplined LB’s. Having a guy like Raekwon and Grant lead the middle is key. They didn’t make the big plays that Shazier made. But they were solid and were always in the right holes.  

Browning is young, sonits expected, but he has been out of his assigned gap at least 5 times this season and that’s just on TV when they point it out. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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buckeyepastor's picture

I agree completely that the outcome of this game largely rides on how well our LBs tackle and cover in the short passing game.   I think the DL against Robinson will have to be more containment-oriented than they have been previously.   Against Or State and Rutgers they could mostly just tee off and fly around back there at will.   On a few of the Beavers' big plays they made us pay for doing that as guys got out of position.  Previous weeks, not a big deal.  But against TCU, it could allow them to stay with us into the 4th quarter.   If Borland and Werner and others can contain and limit Robinson, we cruise.  If not, it could be a very close game.   

I know Dobbins is going home to Texas, but I agree with Jake that we may see more of Weber.   For one, he's run really well so far this year, been the more explosive of the two. And from what I've seen, he's just a way better blocker and that might be crucial this weekend.   Hopefully, Dobbins has worked on that part of his game in the off-season.  We haven't needed it much this year from either of them.  That will change on Saturday night.   

Prediction - 40-21 OSU.  We struggle early with their defensive pressure against our offense and with containing and over-pursuing when on defense, but we get adjusted and put up about 200 on the ground and over 250 through the air.   Haskins finally gets baited into a couple ill-advised throws and at least one gets picked off, but that's a teachable moment that we want him to have sooner or later.   

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Buckabroad's picture

"Larry Johnson’s death squad up front". Love it. 

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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SkoBux's picture

I'm surprised none of the writers covered the penalty issues we've had thus far this year. At about 8.5 per game thus far against inferior opponents, it's something to keep an eye on. They bite harder in games like this. 

 

At last, Kerry had cracked open his first Red Bull with an impatient delight. And the rest, as they say, was history.

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PhillyNut's picture

Agree. This will be a game where any penalty costing field position or making things 2nd and long, 3rd and long will be much harder to make up.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Smooth Lee's picture

Good point, it didn't cross my mind while reading it all, and, your're right for bringing it up: it's a fact that probably should have been seriously considered in the overall analysis. 

smooth lee

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Andy Vance's picture

I'm surprised none of the writers covered the penalty issues we've had thus far this year. At about 8.5 per game thus far against inferior opponents, it's something to keep an eye on. They bite harder in games like this. 

That's a good point. I think I've just gotten used to Ohio State being on the wrong end of the rankings for penalties, because it doesn't seem like something the staff has been overly concerned about fixing over the years.

SkoBux's picture

All good, Andy! I can see that. Appreciate the coverage nonetheless.

At last, Kerry had cracked open his first Red Bull with an impatient delight. And the rest, as they say, was history.

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ibuck's picture

Ohio State being on the wrong end of the rankings for penalties, because it doesn't seem like something the staff has been overly concerned about fixing

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. Hope it doesn't come back to bite them.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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DonTurner's picture

1st half will bring out the naysayers on the board.   2nd half all tOSU.   Talking heads will still be dismissive of tOSU because of a slow start in the 1st half.   ESPN predictions after the game will crown Bama the National Champ with Georgia a runner up and Vandy a close turd all while pushing tOSU to 7th place...……………………  Business as usual.

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fishleehooker's picture

Alonzo Spellman was another beast to consider on the D-line. 22nd pick in '92 and had biggest arms in Bucks history perhaps. A beast.

Jim Houston is a Buckeye great but was drafted in first round, while fellow buckeye great Jim Marshall (4th rnd) became a Viking great.

Big Daddy was most highly regarded by NFL and did have a long career if not worthy of the first pick. 

Ryan Pickett isn't too far off any list IMO. 

Kenny Peterson was a beast too.  I think he was a very high recruit too. 

My list is Joey Bosa 1, Vrabel 2, Nick Bosa 3 with chance to get to 2 or 1, Will Smith, Spellman 5, Cam Heyward 6, Jim Marshall 7, Chase Young 8, Gholston 9, Lewis or Hubbard or Jim Houston at 10

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PhillyNut's picture

You really have to compare within generational groups, the game has changed so much multiple times. Especially the types of offenses faced.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Steelydan54's picture

Robinson finds out just how bad his O line really is Saturday night. If the LBs pick up anything that gets through the LOS, which will be about 2-3 yards behind where the ball was snapped, we have a blowout on our hands. If I'm coach Day, I leave the starters in for most of the game and shoot for 70 against the horny toads. Why?  They wanted to lose one game instead of two, so we give them two losses in one game. Beat them by 40. 

On offense, Haskins is capable of pulling the ball down and making plays with his feet, and also capable of making hot reads when they blitz and hitting open receivers in stride. I DARE them to blitz us!  And if they don't, we still complete 70% and run the ball down their throats once they have to give up a run stuffing D cuz it's raining TD's. Their defense is the best we've faced this year so far, but we've been slaughtering teams in a quarter and a half, then playing vanilla ball to avoid the "bully tag". It's time to bully some Texans. 

Steelybuck54

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Gflbuck's picture

>>>>They wanted to lose one game instead of two, so we give them two losses in one game. Beat them by 40.<<<<  Steely FTW!

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Hondo's picture

Haskins will continue to pass with "Barrett like efficiency?" C'mon Andy.

The Browns are no longer the worst franchise in all of professional sport.

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Andy Vance's picture

You don't think Haskins has been efficient thus far????

Note that I mentioned his uncanny arm talent as well. His long tosses have been things of beauty, but consider the graphical evidence below of what I meant by "Barrett-like efficiency." (Note, you may have to click on the image to see the full passing chart.)

Gflbuck's picture

When I first read it i read it as accuracy and thought the same thing.  Then realized it was efficiency.  Since we seem to more often notice his accuracy?

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Andy Vance's picture

Ah, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, I definitely meant "efficiency," not accuracy, ha ha.

raki's picture

"Barrett-like efficiency" In what QB runs? Because I don't think you can compare Haskins passing with barret, Sure this game would tell us a Lot and true test lies at psu.

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TXNut2488's picture

I'm confused by this statement...are you trying to say you can't compare Haskins passing with JT because Haskins is 1000x better at throwing?

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lesajima's picture

Zero, McSorley has zero chance at the Heisman trophy.

Lesajima

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Buckeye BadDog's picture

I'd rather we run over the toads...

... than lick them!

“But admit there was no splendor in all the bright array
Like the glory of the going when Chic Harley got away.” -James Thurber

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn!" -Woody Hayes

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lesajima's picture

TCU getting 21 might depend on how big a lead OSU gets or turnovers. If OSU play backups in the late third and fourth I think they have a better chance. This being a big me though I don't think we will see whole sale substitution. OSU is going to try to control the run. If they do I don't think Robinson throws well enough to keep them in the game.

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TXNut2488's picture

I think my favorite part of all these articles are the statements of "Ohio State hasn't played anyone." But then you see "TCU's D line really got it going against SMU" The same SMU team that was SHUT DOWN by NORTH FRICKIN' TEXAS? Both teams Ohio State has played would kill the two teams TCU has played. And the same thing for Michigan...suddenly they have figured it out because they smooshed Western Michigan?

Anyway, the giant Ohio State offensive line will crush TCU, we will run for 300 yds, and win by 30+

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Gflbuck's picture

That was a fun little mini rant, thank you!

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TXNut2488's picture

Can't tell if it's sarcastic but you are welcome haha. I get it, no one wants to over-hype 2 games in, but picking and choosing when certain things fit your argument is nuts. Same thing with NFL week 1....Well the Bengals are 2-0 but lets pump the brakes, BUT OMG HAVE YOU SEEN SAM DARNOLD!?!?! GREATEST QB EVER!! JETS SUPER BOWLLLLLLLLLLLL

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Gflbuck's picture

No sarcasm at all.  I got a good laugh out of it.

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DOUEVENURBZ's picture

I’m putting it at 50/50 Robinson can get through the entire game. So far this season, a qb hasn’t done that feat.

i am NOT hoping for this, juuuuust saying

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NOBLUE's picture

no way ttun is more of a threat to us than penn state or msu...no effing way

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Thomas 7's picture

This means nothing for tomorrow’s game, unless of course a team plays with a “fathead” upon their shoulders.

Let’s remember the 2010 season :

A I believe #15 Wisconsin team beat a #1 Ohio State team 31-18.

Two of Wisconsin’s 3 last regular season games they impale 83 points on Indiana [wants me, Lord I can’t go back there] and last game gracefully score 70 on Northwestern.  By virtue is a tiebreaker they were to play a far inferior team in the Rose Bowl named Texas Christian University, whose QB was Andy Dalton.

I was not sure TCU could beat the powerful Wisconsin team, who trounced #1 Ohio State, but I did know that the Badgers had not ever faced a Gary Patterson defense.

2011 Rose Bowl - tight game, could have gone either way, though overall TCU clearly dictated the game and frustrated the Wisconsin offense.   TCU won 21-19.

I recall, even after the loss, Badger coach Bret Bielema saying it remains to be seen whether TCU is good enough to play with the big boys on a consistent basis.

OSU will win this game, but make no mistake;  TCU has for some time been a great program.   The last 3 years they have upped their game recruiting and if I’m not mistaken finished in the top 25 recruiting wise.    Fine, we’ll never be Ohio State, Texas  or Alabama getting many 5 star players,   but TCU is close, and soon, more great high school talent will go with TCU, always with the 3 star guy Patterson molds into a 4 or 5 star player, and man.

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TigerSweat's picture

the 2010 OSU program and the 2018 version are light years apart in terms of overall talent and coaching prowess... 2010 OSU was similar to what Wisconsin is currently. 2018 OSU is a top 2 team talent wise and boasts the best QB in the country along with the best DE. 2010 has no bearing on what this team is capable of... OSU 45 TCU 17

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Trebor40's picture

I firmly believe TCU can win this game, I think your team is strong and your program run by one of the best talents in modern football. We as a program and fan base have been overzealous because our offense has been very methodical and limiting over the past three years, so when we have something radically different we are overjoyed! I still must state that the D-Line we are so proud of is REALLY that good, Larry Johnson is truly the greatest D-Line coach I have had the pleasure of witnessing on our sideline in my 40 years of watching Buckeye football - I suspect that your team will neutralize them over half the time yet is this enough to have possession and scoring needed or will it be field goals more than TD's. As I stated earlier, we are a pass first team now and I believe that plays into your teams hands Hence my 38-30 prediction and that might be your team not mine! The other prediction of 40+ to 27 is if we run the ball as aggressively as we can because our 21+ year old receivers block damn well!

Good luck and Go Bucks!

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hetuck's picture

1. The OSU offensive line is bigger than the team that plays in Jerry World on Sunday. After losing last week, I'd bet there are some Cowboys fans that would love for them to stay behind. Pound the smaller TCU defense. That takes a toll and the three-yard gain in the first quarter turns into 20+ in the fourth. 

2. The Cotton Bowl is one of the quarter final sites this year. If Memorial Stadium in Bloomington is Ohio Stadium West, is Jerry World about to become Ohio Stadium Southwest? 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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TigerSweat's picture

The bucks will be ready to play tomorrow night. Roster full of 4 and 5 star players that came to OSU for primetime games like this. Buckeyes ball out and by Monday morning the talking heads will have realized that this is the most talented team in the country, bar none. Oh, and that Dwayne "the night train" Haskins is the Heisman favorite

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NH-IO's picture

Where was this headline week before last?

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LaceyBuckeye's picture

Going to be a Great game. I think it will be close, but i think Our dudes will win <3 GO BUCKS! 

Go Buckeyes! #TeamUrban..

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sivaDavis's picture

I’ll be surprised if TCU scores that many. I’m just not sure the TCU OL can hold up the whole game and Robinson will be running for his life. I could see Browning or Harrison spying him from time to time.

"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes

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