Proof That ESPN/Media Does Not HATE OSU

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NHBuckeye's picture

Nice to see this from Fowler.   His tone / commentary in the past has seemed a little anti-OSU.  I am happy to give him the props he deserves here.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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osu992's picture

Fowler clearly says the OL is trash and Haskin bausermanned the ball so bad it didn't land on the field. Not sure what fleece Navy is trying to pull over our eyes here. /s

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Spartan13's picture

Fowler is also the guy who said on air that Urban Meyer was negotiating a buyout the night he got put on leave, these people just get paid to move the needle  

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brutal_brutus's picture

I did see that and he was mentioning that as a matter of fact. While all ESPN talking heads were doing the same, someone else outside of ESPN did mention that about Sean Miller and him coming back from administrative leave.

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Dstacify's picture

Chris Fowler is one of the few good ones at ESPN (along with Herbstreit). He's a fairly reasonable bloke most of the time and may be the master employee for them when it comes to being impartial in conversations. I've never had issues with him.

11 Strong.

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SilverHaven's picture

This is so heart-warming to hear about the love that Fowler and ESPN have for the Ohio State Buckeyes, especially after the 247 Sports article that said Ohio State was the 3rd most hated college football program and the Wall Street Journal article that said Ohio State was the 2nd most hated football team.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

This thread will go well.  

I am over the whole ESPN thing.  They had their day, and the future is very questionable in my eyes, along with other major media outlets in today's increasingly digital world. Some will adapt and succeed, while others will not.   

I do think ESPN pushes a narrative, and that narrative changes, but it has less to do with OSU and more to do with views, page clicks, etc. (OSU sells, good or bad).  

Ring the f**king bell, you pansy

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I warned the other mods before I posted it, NY.  I knew this was going to be like throwing chum to sharks.

Agree on your take, though.  ESPN is a business.  Riling up fan bases generates revenue.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

I warned the other mods before I posted it, NY.  I knew this was going to be like throwing chum to sharks.

I think it is a fair topic NB that can be discussed without it turning into 10 cent beer night at Municipal Stadium.  But it seems "ESPN" and 11W forums bring out the worst in some.  

On the football side of things, I don't see how any media member can really not be impressed by the Buckeye football team this year at this point.  

Lots of football to be played, but it's going to be a fun ride.  

Ring the f**king bell, you pansy

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weareTHEOSU's picture

I disagree with you on espn bias, but I respect your opinion. I wish you showed the same.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I wish you showed the same.

Not sure I follow, but happy to listen if you wish to expound. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Nutinpa's picture

I got your back, Navy.  We may not always agree, but this forum is better because of posters and mods like you.......and writers like Ramzy. .   

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I have proof that I hate ESPN. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Bucktown 5.7x28's picture

I ha e proof that I hate ESPN.

LMAO- this is a classic that, like the Flinstones, will go down in history. 

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Codeezy's picture

AND we’re having a gay ol’ time, so double Flinstone reference there. 

How long has that van been there?

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

The media in general needs a serious upgrade in the ethics department.  That said, none of them hate OSU.  They just love clicks, and printing false narratives often generates them.

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LoufromOSU's picture

Clay Travis, Mike Bianchi and Stewart Mandel would like to have a word...

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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BRO-DUDE's picture

Stew Mandel seems like a nice guy ... but also seems like such a friggin CUCK.

He automatically takes any female’s side in any abuse allegation story, such a weakass attitude, one of those who instantly cave to the frantic Me Too movement, without proof. Get a spine, Mandel. Not all females are automatics victims. Quit assuming guilt, quit bashing Urban. Typical mainstream media shit. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

ESPN does not in fact hate the Buckeyes

Congrats on your new job at ESPN, Navy!

Shandy is not beer

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

No way, Quad.  I get paid way too much to ever stop being a Mod.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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analyticalguy's picture

I hear that you're actually in the top 10% for mod salaries, so you're REALLY doing well.

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Brutus's picture

I get paid way too much to ever stop being a Mod.

Aha, I knew it! And yet when I tried to point this out a few weeks ago, all it got me was 24 hours in the klink. I guess the Mods were just trying to silence me. This is just the beginning.  Next I’m going to expose the excesses of the premium lounge and how some of the more popular commenters are paying for their helmet stickers. I’m about to bring the whole f-ing place down.

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KBonay's picture

All I got was a lousy T-shirt 

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Earle's picture

All I got was Shook's old shirt, and I can't wear a smedium.

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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Davebuck187's picture

All I got was Brady Hokes old T-shirt. It's like walking around with a circus tent around my neck. Oh wait I'm not a Mod.

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-Archie Griffin.

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buckzilla1's picture

Chris Fowler of ESPN said good things about Ohio State.

Chris Fowler no longer on ESPN College game day. 

Coincidence? 

Hey Cancer! This ass kicking is brought to you by the Sultan of the sythe. Give it hell CalPoppy.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Coincidence? 

Well they just hired Navy, so they probably didn't need Fowler anymore

Shandy is not beer

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

People look for reasons at this point to dislike ESPN, beyond the real reasons that are present (which are certainly valid). We also tend to notice the negative and gloss over the positive. If you visit 11W type sites for other schools and read recruiting, almost every fanbase thinks the ESPN rankings or 247 rankings devalue their recruits. In reality, it's noticing the recruiting drops and not giving as much credit to the recruiting jumps. Just human nature. Not every fanbase can logically have this gripe, which means it's illogical. As they say, losing hurts more than winning feels good. The negative is always noticed more than the positive.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

In business, they say if you get bad service you'll tell ten people; if you get good service, they're lucky if you tell one.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

No news is good news. 

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I’m surprised that the “at least one other” guy hasn’t shown up yet. Ya know the realistic one. Nothing against him, but if this thread were swaying the other way, he would have been in on the battle royale (not sure on the spelling here and it’s to early for me to check). 

Oh and go Bucks, piss on the toads, turnabout is fair play for them warted bastards. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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RollRedRoll's picture

Let’s see what happens next week when Urban is back. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

First real chance will be when OSU visits Crappy Valley in a few weeks. Gameday will be there and they will make it a point to pile on Urban. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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RollRedRoll's picture

Dam I didn’t even think about that, but you are probably spot on with your assessment. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Gameday is in Dallas this week.
 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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RollRedRoll's picture

Yes, but Urban is not. I am interested to see what the narrative is when he is fully back with the team. 

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BucknutinNC's picture

I unfortunately agree with your thoughts here RRR. They wont make a big deal of any of the August soap opera this week, however when we go to PSU and College Gameday, and BTN and all of college football is watching they will re-up their crap slinging at Meyer as it will be their first chance to come after him on a big Nationally watched stage. We will see all the false narratives that have been disproved again be put out as facts and asshats like Finebaum will go out of their way to paint Urban as a terrible human being and the problem with college football, blah blah blah! They will do their best to try and embarrass Urban, TOSU, us Buckeye fans who support Urban and the team, and they wilk try to devide the machine who is Buckeye Nation, and influence the rest of the nation with their narrative once again. They will specifically try to influence the CFP committee all season starting with the PSU game that putting us in the Playoffs would just be morally wrong regardless of our record. They will still push the Urban should have been fired perspective, and prop up what Ryan Day did in his absence as a reason TOSU doesn't need Urban and should be ashamed and shamed for keeping him.

Hopefully this will backfire as far as dividing or distracting the team. Hopefully it will pull them closer together and make them more focused with the Buckeyes Against the World attitude and they go on to rattle off a 15-0 season to figuratively step on the media's throat and shut them the hell up. I know the Buckeye Nation as fans will definitely take on the Ohio Against the World attitude and support the Buckeyes no matter what the media says in this matter.

Obviously I could be wrong on how the media will act when Urban is back, but I seriously doubt it. If I am, I will be pleasantly surprised!

GO BUCKS!

A.E. Porter

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Bucktown 5.7x28's picture

If you guys really want to get your blood pressure shooting through the roof, take a peak over at SECrant. I have a couple of usernames on there. They don’t like that I stand up for OSU. They don’t like that I pointed out obvious things about their hypocrisy on Meyer. He was the greatest thing since Nintendo when he was in the SEC. Even with all of the recruiting nefarious characters and shady types. Obviously no one could predict Aaron Hernandez going Menace II Society on people in the community. And they loved Meyer when he was winning Championships down there. Now that he’s in the Big Ten, he’s treat like Ted Bundy down there. The guy is far from a saint, but if there were no charges against ZS, is he supposed to fire him and set the school up for a lawsuit? IDK. The story will grow legs again. So be prepared. 

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Zonabuck's picture

Game day will also be at TCU campus, not at Jerry world. They’re trying to minimize the number of Buckeye fans there, which in all honesty is probably smart.  Remember when they waited five years after Tatgate to return to Columbus?  It’s because they would’ve had to face some very rude music for the shit they (routinely) pull. 

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Capt. Kline's picture

So, this must be gameday's "chicken shit Saturday" ???????

Born and bred a Buckeye - Buckeye 'til I die

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LoufromOSU's picture

Actually, they are on TCU’s campus.  They avoided dealing with Buckeye fans by not going to Dallas.

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Dirty419Boy's picture

I'm not going to shoot you Navy. I am, however, contemplating a 7-figure lawsuit. My attorney, Jackie Chiles, Esq., tells me this could be a big score.

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Who told you to put the balm on? I didn't tell you to put the balm on...

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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MJTampa's picture

You predicted "69" posts, and your prediction was "tongue in cheek"...not sure that pun was intentional, but pretty racy stuff, Navy!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Never pass up the opportunity for a veiled sexual innuendo.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Urbane Meijer's picture

If you like sexual innuendo, I can keep this up all night.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

You’re a hard act to follow. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Zonabuck's picture

One data point does not make a trend. And he’s probably obligated contractually to promote the games. Just wait until during the game when he asks if OSU should be in the top four, should they be restricted from playing in the ESPN playoff due to Urban lying to the media and covering up domestic violence. 

F ESPN. 

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buckguyfan1's picture

I don't see the overall hate thing either.  I think they have individuals with espn that despise Buckeye success, but mostly I think it's a bit of a game for them as they know it rubs our fanbase's rhubarb and drives clicks.

Simplify...

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

I think they have individuals with espn that despise Buckeye success

Ring the f**king bell, you pansy

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BucknutinNC's picture

LMAO!! Yea he doesn't really like the Buckeyes being on top of the BIG and CFB! I love watching him look so disappointed every time they talk about how impressive we look, and every time we beat their ass!! He and Woodson will forever be traitors to me.

A.E. Porter

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CreekBuck's picture

Yep the replace one hater with another hater. Stooges all.

You win with people.

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sgehrich's picture

So

Nick Bosa almost unblockable

This implies our O-Line sucks. Also, "almost"??? C'mon, totally underselling his skills. He clearly hates Bosa.

Eager to see how he handles a pass rush.

Obvious dig at our schedule so far. Plus he's saying our D-line is terrible, because they can't get to him.

Proof ESPN hates us.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I figured I was misreading that Tweet. Thanks for clearing it up for me. 

Looking forward to seeing his Tweet on TCU tomorrow, and your interpretation. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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sgehrich's picture

All sarcasm aside, I agree ESPN doesn’t hate us. They love money. So whatever gets the most clicks/views is what they roll with. I believe they overdo it on the anti-OSU side, but not because they hate us... because a lot of the population hates us. And so they click on the articles to get their anti-OSU porn fix. On the flip side, they’d like to see us on their channel as much as possible. So what they really want is to be able to bash as much as possible while we win as many games as possible. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

So what they really want is to be able to bash as much as possible while we win as many games as possible. 

Bingo. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Here it is.  Very different feel.  Love Fowler's response to the first comment.

Scott:  Ultimate tool level going with “TOSU”

Fowler: I think Tool was on the playlist, too. So...

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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sgehrich's picture

trademark intensity of Gary Patterson calling defenses, guys flying around..

Translation: Well, at least they're trying hard... A for effort.

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I don’t think everyone at ESPN hates us, but many do. Let’s be clear, our fan base generates clicks and banter that helps promote them and increase revenue. So why not use us for these outcomes. It’s smart business. You either love us or hate us, but no matter what you, have an opinion on us, and that brings in the dollar dollar bills y’all.

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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GoBucks10's picture

Navy rocks

I hate the offseason.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

GoBucks10 rocks more. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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GoBucks10's picture

This guy knows what's up.

I hate the offseason.

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balmerbuck's picture

My issue with ESPN is they have  gone to #hottake shows and meaningless stats instead of enhancing my knowledge.

I am glad Fowler recognizes the undeniable talent, but give me some insight.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Solid take. I think when your analysis has to be broken down to a single Tweet, it tends to lose any substance. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

That's what hurt it for me too. Those shows are a quick fix for ESPN, CNN, Fox News, etc. They may boost a rating, even for a few years, but people lose confidence in the news source, because it's a bunch of people shouting at each other instead of dissemination of news. In the end if people didn't buy into it and watch they'd go to a different model. Hopefully that happens at some point.

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Grisle's picture

This isn't proof of anything. They throw us a bone every now and again like the above tweet and the next day or even hour they are back to shitting on tOSU. If I call someone an asshole 10 times a day but give them a compliment once a week, am I not a dick?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

No, you’re still a dick. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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CincyOSU's picture

They throw us a bone every now and again like the above tweet and the next day or even hour they are back to shitting on tOSU.

Or, you only notice the "bad" things they say because you WANT something to be mad about and prove your narrative...aka, confirmation bias.

Just like scandal sells with ESPN, on this forum ESPN hates OSU comments make for better sounds bytes than when they say something positive.

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Mastro16's picture

“confirmation bias”

Swear I’ve seen that term somewhere before.. can’t put my finger on it

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I found him! Welcome to the block party CincyO!

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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IloveSaturdays's picture

What did Fowler say about the cheerleaders?

I have to return some videotapes

-Pat Bateman

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

I have never been in the ESPN hates Ohio State camp, but I do think their coverage can be tilted one direction, depending on the news cycle.  Like you said, Navy, OSU and their fans is a huge ratings/click audience to alienate, and it would be foolish to do so. 

College football and many other sports fans, feel ESPN hates them. I’ve seen and heard it from all angles. 

11W’s has our resident ESPN apologist, CincyOSU, and he and I have had our battles, but I think he gets a bad rap. Doesn’t mean I won’t mess with him whenever an ESPN post pops up. 

Feed the trolls

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buckeyeku's picture

ESPN knows that OSU has and enormous fan base and an even larger group of fans (of other teams) that hate them.  Every time you say or write something negative about OSU it gets ratings and clicks.  

The manufactured moral outrage over the Urban Meyer suspension would have been about 10% if it had been Minnesota or Texas Tech.

OSU sells, good or bad.  Disregard the love.  Embrace the hate.

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analyticalguy's picture

If it had been Minnesota or Texas Tech, there would have been no purpose to manufacturing outrage.

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Urbane Meijer's picture

Exactly.  You can compare the number of stories about Meyer to the amount about Maryland and see your answer.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Ok, now this is getting a little fishy.   Did someone put something in the water at ESPN today?

Fields of Dreams

 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

On CFB live, Pollock had Haskins as his Heisman pick and Bosa #1 D lineman in the country. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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RollRedRoll's picture

Seems like Pollock has always tried to be objective. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Pollock, kannell, and Galloway were the best in studio people they’ve had in a while.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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okiebuck's picture

It's kind of hard to deny the talent of our Buckeyes when you're standing on the sideline and it's right in front of you.

The only hard day was yesterday

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TigerSweat's picture

Dwayne is the best QB in CFB. Hell, he's better than several starting QBs in the NFL right now too. #1 overall pick regardless of whether he wins the Heisman or not (spoiler - he will win it)

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Pretty sure they only drink Kool-Aid over there.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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TigerSweat's picture

This from 247...

"I picked in the preseason to win the Heisman (OSU’s Dwayne Haskins)"

"Even the most bullish Haskins optimist did not see such a scorchingly efficient launch for the first-year starter. The former No. 91 overall prospect in the 247Sports Composite is averaging 10.3 yards per attempt, has thrown nine touchdowns to one interception (and 11 incompletions) and is transforming an Ohio State offense that was limited for too long with J.T. Barrett at the helm."

Gotta say that I agree with all of that

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Pollack is a great guy and I love his takes. He spent time in Ohio and doesn’t show bias to his roots. He is my favorite over there on the NCAAFB team. 

Side note: scariest person I saw ever while out to eat was DP. Went to eat and Mangianos @ Kenwood mall. He had just sustained his neck injury and was wearing the halo. I felt for him bu was also extremely bothered lol.

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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Homey1970's picture

ESPiN absolutely has nothing in its best interest to promote the Buckeyes, except when they’re about to play a game on that network.  That’s the entire purpose of the Fowler tweet....to draw viewers.  Wake up.

Otherwise, anything that network can do to promote its SEC Network deal over the B1G Network/Fox Sports, they will do it.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Except they often visit B1G schools for game day, even if it’s not on their network. 

Feed the trolls

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Homey1970's picture

Lately, I don’t know how many times they’ve been to a B1G school and not broadcast the game.  See above, ref ratings.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Penn St vs Ohio St 2017. Just one that comes to mind, besides Michigan and ND this season. 

Neither game was on ESPN

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Homey1970's picture

You may be on to something; however, I’ll go with the theory that Game Day wants a bigger crowd and these high profile matchups bring out the true fans fanatics, viewers and...ratings.

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MJTampa's picture

Were they on ABC? Parent company. I don't remember, though.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

 Nope. Fox and NBC. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

anything that network can do to promote its SEC Network deal over the B1G Network/Fox Sports, they will do it.

Which is why ESPN signed a larger deal with the B1G to get half the number of games than they did/do with the SEC? That doesn’t follow what you’re claiming.

Follow the money. It doesn’t lie. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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CincyOSU's picture

Otherwise, anything that network can do to promote its SEC Network deal over the B1G Network/Fox Sports, they will do it.

Apparently you’re unaware that ESPN is paying the B1G more money over the next 6 years than they are paying the SEC...for only HALF the rights. It is 100% in ESPNs beat interest to have a strong B1G/OSU. You can’t point to the SEC contract and ignore the B1G contract.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I wish I'd thought of that.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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CincyOSU's picture

I wish I'd thought of that.

Great minds...

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Homey1970's picture

I guess you’ll just read what you want to read.  [see first paragrah]

...except when they’re about to play a game on that network.

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CincyOSU's picture

Otherwise, anything that network can do to promote its SEC Network deal over the B1G Network/Fox Sports, they will do it.

Except for the fact the pay us MORE than they pay the SEC for HALF the rights(for the next 6 years). Your logic doesn't flow...they can't love they SEC because of a TV contract, only to hate the B1G when they have a BIGGER contract. ESPN paid all that money to the SEC, and the B1G because they are valuable brands/investments. You don't shit on your investments.

The bottom line is, OSU moves the needle and we need to learn to take the good with the bad. Scandal sells, and ESPN/TMZ knows how to get eyeballs/page clicks, but that doesn't mean the hate OSU.

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Homey1970's picture

ESPN makes more money in the SEC deal than the more costly B1G deal.  Ratings aren’t going up in this sport.  The network can cross-subsidize the more costly deal by exploiting the least costly deal, which will draw more revenue via more overall SEC games and more attractive games.  Fox and BTN get the first pick of B1G games.  Alas, ESPN will promote OSU and the B1G in order to showcase an upcoming broadcast.  Otherwise, why not cater to your growing SEC base and against the ‘second most hated college team’?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Homey, not trying to be argumentative, but I totally did not follow that logic at all. 

The Big Ten has a larger TV market overall than the SEC.  ESPN makes it's money primarily from cable subscriptions and advertising. So, they need the large markets in Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Columbus, Baltimore, DC, and NJ to consume their product.  They wouldn't pay so much for the games if it wasn't more lucrative.

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Homey1970's picture

I guess we’ll agree to disagree.  Maybe I should have stated it clearer...it’s about promoting more than just football games at that network.  ESPN has a vested interest in all things SEC, including sports other than football and it shows through these other relationships who its primary target audience is.  The B1G (particularly OSU) is going to draw ratings (in all of those markets you mentioned) and ESPN doesn’t need to promote the B1G at any other time except when a game of significant national interest is approaching.  Fowler’s tweet is a manifestation of this targeted marketing.  Not love.

EDIT: Fowler’s tweet is not even targeted at OSU fans.  It’s targeted at ‘fence riders’ in an attempt to get them to tune in on Saturday night.  Ergo, has nothing to do with network hate or love of OSU.

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CincyOSU's picture

Again, if we are to believe your statement then you just proved that ESPN does not hate OSU. 

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Homey1970's picture

Where did I say ESPN hates OSU?

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CincyOSU's picture

Where did I say ESPN hates OSU?

Apologies, must have lumped you in to the ESPN hates us club. If you just hate ESPN, then that’s completely fair(I think they’re garbage too), I’m mainly talking to those who actually think ESPN has a vendetta against OSU. 

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Homey1970's picture

My argument was that Fowler’s tweet is not proof that ESPN ‘loves’ Ohio State, which I believe was the original post’s basic premise—although it did not go that far by saying ‘proof ESPN does not hate...’.  Maybe it’s how we’re defining love/hate.  Is it the literal definition or the amount of positive vs. negative advocacy/PR?

I say again that ESPN only promotes Ohio State when it is about to appear on the network.  Otherwise, it’s all about teams/conferences (primarily the SEC) who ESPN has greater comprehensive relations.  I’d also add that Ohio State ‘bashing’ would attract more viewers to the network than praise...since the Buckeyes are the ‘second most hated team’.

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CincyOSU's picture

So when ESPN pays the SEC huge amounts of money for a TV contract it’s a good deal and proof ESPN loves the SEC, but when they pay the B1G more money, its a bad deal and doesn’t prove anything? 

Or, ESPN knows the B1G is a valuable brand and they knew they couldn’t let Fox have 100% of the rights because it would cost the network money. ESPN overpaid for the rights to other sports which severely impacted their ability to bid more for the B1G package. We should be looking at this as a compliment, but sense we love playing the victim we try to spin this as a bad thing. 

Regardless, even if we believe your scenario, how would it make any business sense to shit on OSU? 

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Buckets At Fletcher's's picture

Taking the good with the bad is one thing. Fanning the flames to produce clicks and ratings is pretty much the norm these days. Sadly, that doesnt really even bother me anymore. Where I draw the line is when the "bad" is libelous garbage, and i am allowed to be aggravated to the point that I avoid thier programming.  I dont trust them to be truthful and i really mean it when i say i will never watch thier programming unless it is an OSU game broadcast. Cant wait for the day ESPN get rocked with a "scandal" to see how they like it when others just make shit up about them.

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Homey1970's picture

^ This.

You summed up what I believe most are feeling when they say ESPN ‘hates’ OSU.

Ref scandal, I’d like to see if Skipper’s ‘addiction’ scandal has other related bad news.

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Elks' comb over's picture

Looks like Eric D forgot all about his brother only allowing 24 yards to their RB’s on his side of the line. Nick is even better at this point too. Eric D is the definition of a tool.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

That twitter handle is the real deal though

Feed the trolls

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Elks' comb over's picture

I remember all the comments too from other fan bases saying Joey was going to be the next OSU busy in the NFL... So much denial of greatness out there.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

He’s been busy alright 

Feed the trolls

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Elks' comb over's picture

Lol. Damn I didn’t even see that typo until now. Bust not busy.

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Elks' comb over's picture

Dude might want to check himself into a clinic too. Michigan? Beat Ohio State? What rock has this guy been under?

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Homey1970's picture

All I see ‘all abba real deal’

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buckguyfan1's picture

D is for Douche.

Simplify...

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Elks' comb over's picture

He can’t even spell his own name

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TigerSweat's picture

"Lyrical dushes in your bushes"!

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Montana silver bullet's picture

The masses are slowly being converted. Mark May is next up to throw love at the Bucks

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

This does not convince me ESPN does not hate OSU.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

That’s ok. One ESPN analyst ranking OSU #6 doesn’t convince me that ESPN hates the Buckeyes. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I don’t think they hate the Buckeyes, but they do favor the sec, which means everyone else gets slighted as a result.  

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Zonabuck's picture

Slighted is one thing. Now, every year is going to be three and a half months of programming to justify why two SEC teams belong in their college football playoff. That means the other conferences need negative press to cut them down. Unless Clemson shits the bed, they’re a lock for the foreseeable future, even though the ACC is probably weaker as a conference than the PAC12.  Nobody cares if the Big12 gets shafted, but if there’s a flashy team there, it’ll need to be addressed. That means the B1G is the conference that needs to be undercut regularly throughout the season just in case they’re having a hard time justifying that second SEC pick. And as they continue to hemorrhage money, it’ll continue. 

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Art Harrell's picture

For the record....Fuck E.S.P.N. and Chris Fowler...one damn positive post about the Buckeye's...to get "clicks" and receive a Christmas Card from Coach Meyer...bull shit...Go Air Force...Go Marine's...Go Army..Go Coast Guard...Go Coach Meyer...Go Bucks...

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I knew you were waiting. Well played. 

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

69th post

Your such an immature dush.

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hthe620110's picture

Damn, who gives a shit if they like Ohio State or not, how does it effect you in any way, and if it does, then you need to take a step back and figure out what really is important in life.  No amount of background noise is going to affect you or the team because it doesn't matter, they don't matter.  Just enjoy yourself and quit worrying about the bullshit.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I think you’ve effectively captured what I meant by this entire post, but didn’t come out and explicitly say it. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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SonOfBuckeye's picture

Contrast with his tweet after watching TCU practice:

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Yeah - very different vibe indeed.

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OSU2002Grad's picture

Umm... go ahead and tune into College Gameday on Saturday at your own risk. I ain’t fucking with it.

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TigerSweat's picture

What, you don't want to see the inevitable graphics that feature urban looking evil while they talk about how virtuous the ESPN cast and crew is? I can't fucking wait

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Hovenaut's picture

God bless you, NB - keep fighting the good fight.

But this battle...

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

You know it was never about the win. 

My next thread will be a statistical comparison of JT Barrett and Dwayne Haskins through their first three games. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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RollRedRoll's picture

That thread would be a bloodbath. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

But glorious.  It's the battle we love, not the result.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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TigerSweat's picture

Please, please do it

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CowCat's picture

I don't hate ESPN, but I do get bored by it.

We've had an explosion of 24x7 sports channels ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, ESPNU, FS1, NFL Network, NBC, CBS, Golf, BTN, PAC12, etc.etc.

Most channels don't have anything of substance to talk about most of the time. 3 people in suits talking about a trade or an injury for 30 minutes. Zzzzzz.

ESPN still has an advantage in that it's the default channel in practically every restaurant or bar in the country.

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LaceyBuckeye's picture

They are being so nice hoping that it makes TCU mad to beat us. I figured it out.. LOL Just kidding.. Please.. Please. I am joking <3

But.... THE BUCKS will win <3

Go Buckeyes! #TeamUrban..

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TigerSweat's picture

Fowler, in my opinion, has never been part of the anti-OSU crap at ESPN...

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CincyOSU's picture

That’s because ESPN isn’t Anti OSU. 

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TigerSweat's picture

Well, the talent on OSU's roster is undeniable. ESPN knows they would look like uninformed hacks if they didn't at least acknowledge that much. Also, they are probably hedging because it looks as if Haskins is the best QB in the country and they don't want to look like bias assholes when he wins the Heisman

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Or...they report what they see, when they see it, and there is no hidden, diabolical agenda.  Occam's razor and all.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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TigerSweat's picture

They don't merely "report" what they see... They twist, turn and spin everything until it fits their company narrative. That narrative always includes propping up the sec and virtue signalling to the masses.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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ohiopanda's picture

ESPN’s shows are all based on a group of individuals opinions. It’s going to seem biased to different people. I do think the SEC alumni on ESPN are a bit more vocal about SEC supremacy whereas B1G alumni seem more reserved, or at least have little ‘conference pride’. But that could just be me and my hate for everything SEC. ESPN’s shows have gone downhill in terms of quality/interest within the past five years or so, but I certainly don’t think they have an agenda of hating Ohio State. They do have every right and reason to promote the SEC though with their success and network

I sure miss the shows featuring Mark May and Lou Holtz 

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Das Hufeisen's picture

Big difference between the on-air broadcaster journalist type promoting the big game on their airwaves this week, and the average opinion type on TV or in print. The latter is what many of us mean by "ESPN hates Ohio State." Few play by play types will go out of their way to disrespect one of the teams they'll be covering in a few days.

So when we say "ESPN" i don't think we mean the bigwig corporate bosses who are responsible for the bottom line. Like many have said they'll follow the money. But the analyst opinion types are what bother us, whether on air or in print.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Excellent point.  But, for that matter, I've heard Fox/BTN analysts say negative things about OSU, too.  Sometimes, gasp, the home team isn't as perfect as our scarlet colored glasses lead us to believe. 

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

Sometimes, gasp, the home team isn't as perfect as our scarlet colored glasses lead us to believe. 

Completley false statement. I call bullshit.

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Earle's picture

Proof that Navy hates Ohio State!

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Zonabuck's picture

Obviously there is a huge difference between being critical with analysis of the talent, discipline and execution of any team, including the Buckeyes, and perpetuating a narrative that (incorrectly) attempts to shape the reputation of a coach, administration and the program in general.  If it’s “so and so has to play/coach/recruit/do better if they want to be in the discussion...”, that’s fine. If it’s meant to sway recruits, families, voters or to justify how they pick who they allow to compete for the championship, that’s completely different. Wouldn’t you agree?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Perhaps. But I would counter with this:

Four of the top 10 college football games viewed on television in 2017-18 featured Ohio State.

Three of the 10 most viewed college football games of the past 25 years featured Ohio State.

ESPN's most watched CFB game ever is the OSU-Oregon NCG in 2015. Number 7 of ESPN's top 10 is OSU-Bama from the same season.

So long as ESPN has the rights to the CFP, it is absolutely in their best interest that tOSU is in the mix. The Buckeyes consistently bring the most viewers of any of the major football powers by a long shot.

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Zonabuck's picture

Maybe, but they didn’t have the resources to outbid Fox for the B1G games for the most recent contract cycle. They’re all in on the SEC, and they’re hemorrhaging money. When the Urban mess started, they were the ones pushing the agenda that Urban was suspended while they negotiated a buyout (Laurece), or monologues about Urban being a fraud and a liar (the Yellow Bastard), or monologuing about how, with no information whatsoever, Urban’s reputation is so shot that this is his last year (the Yellow Bastard again), or jumping out of their seat with excitement when ESPN bumps B1G champs OSU to hand Bama an undeserved playoff slot (the dude who moved to Nashville to get away from OSU fans). 

The high ratings are us, not them. Move those games to any network and the ratings are high. The fact that they have us is likely only temporary. They will lose us. They won’t be able to pay to keep us. They know this, and the pimping for the SEC is strictly survival. That’s why they do the things they do. But realistically, we’re trending up, they’re trending down. They’re like the girlfriend who knows they can’t keep us, but they just can’t let us go. You can see it in their crazy eyes, and someday, they’re going to be boiling our bunny on the stove. It’s inevitable. 

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Dillon G's picture

DiNardo said Urban Meyer should be fired.*

*If those things about Smith are true in 2015.

To me there is a huge difference in the constant bashing, and a criticism.
 

#walkaway

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CincyOSU's picture

But the analyst opinion types are what bother us, whether on air or in print.

The only problem with that statement is that whenever someone like David Pollack, for example, says something bad about OSU, the ESPN hates us crowd says something like...."guess what ESPN just said about OSU" instead of "guess what David Pollack just said about OSU". There's a big difference in how that statement is phrased...

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Das Hufeisen's picture

Yeah well if they say something bad then it's ESPN as a whole. If they say something good then it's one person's unbiased opinion.
/s

But seriously my dislike for ESPN has more to do with their overall performance and journalistic habits and their injection of politics into sports, more so than their coverage of OSU. And that holds for other networks also. ESPN is just the biggest and loudest.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

But seriously my dislike for ESPN has more to do with their overall performance and journalistic habits and their injection of politics into sports, more so than their coverage of OSU. And that holds for other networks also. ESPN is just the biggest and loudest.

Absolutely fair criticism.

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SonOfBuckeye's picture

Stewart Mandel (The Athletic, not ESPN) predicts TCU wins. (Recall that he also predicts OSU finishes 4th in the B1G East.)

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

From the guy who starts off his own article with, "If one were to describe my performance in the picks department the first two weeks, I believe the most appropriate term would be Sumlin-esque." 

Translated: I should've done better, but I came as close as one would by flipping a coin.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Dillon G's picture

Huh? Fowler is one of the best. Does that make the OP a strawman? David Pollack, Jessie Palmer, Sage Steele, Trev Alberts, Mark May, Desmond Howard....are haters. Joel Klatt is not a homer, and an example of non hater and professional.

#walkaway

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

Pollack isn’t a hater. 

Desmond just can’t help himself. 

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Dillon G's picture

Pollack said he is. Just like Howard. I was just surprised to see this about Fowler. I watched Gameday for a long time because of how he was.

#walkaway

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Nutinpa's picture

Well.  Showing my flare for the obvious, I do know one thing:  We better win this fucking game!!! 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

So because an espn guy complimented Nick Bosa and a Columbus deli is proof espn is unbiased?  lol  how gullible.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Oh sweet irony. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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VegasBuckeye04's picture

How did this post survive?  Last time I posted something similar it lasted 12 minutes I think. 

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

It’s all in the approach my man. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Don’t be a dush?

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

I think it’s my new favorite word. I can’t help but laugh reading it in my head.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Ok, I'm still on the ESPN doesn't hate OSU BW.  But, I just heard they'll be hosting gameday on TCU Campus rather than in Arlington.  If thats true, there is definitley a bias involved.

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osu992's picture

Lol...yeah, a bias in favor of college football

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Then why not have it in Columbus?  Why is gameday at the Bowl Game sites rather than 1 of the campuses?  Why were they in Charlotte for the ACC champ game last December instead of at Clemson or Miami?  This seems like a move to actively avoid OSU fans.

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CincyOSU's picture

Oh, you’re being serious. I thought you were joking....you actually think it means something that Gameday is going to TCU’s campus?  Good lord, it never ends. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

I mean, it's unprecedented no?  They were in Atlanta last year for FSU/Bama, not in Tallahassee or Tuscaloosa.  Am I missing a legit reason to have it in Ft Worth rather than Arlington?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Atlanta is much farther from Tallahassee or T-town than Ft. Worth is from Dallas. So, that's a terrible example.

As for legit reasons:

  1. Campus environment vs. the sterility of Jerry's World would be my guess for starters. It's College Gameday, and having it on a campus gives a much better early morning vibe than over at Jerry's World. 
  2. More students will actually come if it's on campus, which means more signs and more cheering.
  3. TCU has only been featured on Gameday a total of seven times. They've hosted twice including tomorrow.

Honestly, are there legit reasons for having it Jerry's World in Arlington?

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Honestly, are there legit reasons for having it Jerry's World in Arlington?

1 - Both fanbases will be there because thats where the game is being played.

2 - More TCU students will come because its on campus, but you alienate Ohio State fans who are most likely staying near the stadium.

Yes, its only 15 miles away but it just seems like a stupid decision to host GameDay at a site other than the one the game will be played at.  Like I originally said, I don't think its evidence of an anti-Buckeye agenda but it def does bias against the OSU fans planning to tailgate near the stadium.  Maybe chalk it up to another stupid decision from a company who is known to do the dumbest thing possible in most cases.

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I&#039;m Ron Burgundy's picture

Bad take CTBuck. As everyone but you has pointed out, it's college gameday, and there already has been a lot of writing about how having this game at Jerry World takes away from what makes college football great.  The college campuses and stadium atmosphere.

If nothing else, we should be glad they are doing this, because it hammers home the point to the rest of the world that this is NOT a neutral site game.  It is literally in their backyard, and should be treated like an OSU road game.  So I am all for it.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Bad take CTBuck. As everyone but you has pointed out, it's college gameday, and there already has been a lot of writing about how having this game at Jerry World takes away from what makes college football great.  The college campuses and stadium atmosphere.

That's fair, so then I guess we should expect this same treatment from them going forward for all games played at neutral sites (Whether they are truly neutral or not).  

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I&#039;m Ron Burgundy's picture

Once again, some "neutral" site games are truly neutral.  And in those cases, no it would not make logistical sense for them to host gameday 400 miles away from where the game is being played.

But this game is not neutral, TCU's campus is 18 miles away from the stadium.  It makes sense, and is not unfair to anybody.

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Earle's picture

Are you going to ignore the fact that Arlington and Ft. Worth are literally adjacent? 

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osu992's picture

I mean...he did, didn't he?

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TXNut2488's picture

I think all it is is that OSU didn't collapse without Meyer, everyone knows they are Bama's biggest threat so now the media has to switch their opinions. Like has been mentioned, their job is to just generate looks/clicks/revenue/whatever...no one has a true opinion of anything on these networks.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

In response to some of the comments that suggest business is just about getting clicks and generating revenue: It's a little more complex than that.

Some business concepts that ESPN apologists might want to familiarize themselves with:

1) Market Share - Investopedia's definition: "Market share represents the percentage of an industry, or market's total sales, that is earned by a particular company over a specified time period. Market share is calculated by taking the company's sales over the period and dividing it by the total sales of the industry over the same period. This metric is used to give a general idea of the size of a company in relation to its market and its competitors." So Market Share is a measure of competition in a specific industry.  I hope we all can agree that ESPN is in direct competition with BTN/FS1 for growth of Market Share of NCAA football broadcasting and programming.  If not, here's a 2017 article about ESPN staving off a surging FS1, although ESPN still televised 24/25 most watched games last season.  https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2017/10/06/Media/Fox-CF...

2) SWOT Analysis: Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats.  SWOT analysis is a tool used in business strategy.  A threat of ESPN is FS1/BTN ever since Mark Shapiro of ESPN low-balled Jim Delany, and Delany told him he's starting his own network:

"The shortest one I ever had," Delany told the Tribune. "He lowballed us and said: 'Take it or leave it. If you don't take our offer, you are rolling the dice.' I said: 'Consider them rolled.' "

Delany had warned ESPN officials that without a significant rights-fee increase, he would try to launch a new channel that would pose competition both for TV viewers and the Big Ten's inventory of games: the Big Ten Network."  Key word - "Inventory" of games.

ESPN and FS1/BTN are in direct competition for the Big Ten's "inventory" of games.  FS1 recently won the bid for OSU vs TSUN, the biggest game in the "inventory."  So as FS1/BTN continue to load up on big games, what is ESPN's next step?

3) Marketing Warfare:  Most of strategic business is modeled after military strategy.  Some common business tools used in business strategy: 

  • offensive marketing warfare strategies -implementing competitive advantages
  • defensive marketing - defending competitive advantages
  • guerrilla marketing - Attack, retreat, hide, repeat.
  • flanking marketing
  • chaos
  • confusion
  • friction

I don't have time to define these, but they are self explanatory.  So in ESPN's case, as its in the industry of mass media, it also happens to have the tools at its disposal to implement all of these strategies on TV, radio, and internet, and it has for years. 

Brett McMurphy was coincidentally on ESPN's dime when he broke stories on facebook and twitter -an obvious Guerilla attack likely funded by ESPN.  (Even if we assume ESPN was ignorant to this) ESPN then ran with McMurphy's story, ignoring all facts and attacked FS1/BTN's #1 brand, with the intent to not only kill recruiting and success, but to kill interest from the OSU fanbase.  It also has attacked MSU, Maryland, PSU with an intensity that ESPN brands (SEC, ACC) are sheltered from.

To argue that Chris Fowler is unbiased based on Nick Bosa and a Columbus deli compliments is laughable.  Tell me how much you like him next time he accuses Meyer of enabling an "abuser of domestic violence," before considering due process.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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CincyOSU's picture

SO, SO, SO many things wrong with this statement. I don’t have the time, nor energy. Enjoy your confirmation bias filled ignorance. 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

yes, so many things are wrong with stating proven business strategies that are taught in business colleges, yet you call me ignorant?  hilarious lol..."but espn is just trying to get clicks bla bla bla."

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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osu992's picture

No, it's that you neither performed any analysis of the strategies and tools you said would have been implemented nor came to reasonable conclusions on what those strategies and tools would have said, so it reads like you're trying to refute your point.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

My post never claimed to "perform analysis."  Try reading it again.  My post merely points out what you were unaware of: That business strategy is a thing.  Hopefully you won't try to argue that ESPN or Disney does not partake in business strategy.

I did however apply the three business terms to the topic, yet it seems you missed that.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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CincyOSU's picture

Just because you know how to google fancy business terms doesn’t mean they apply to this situation. 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

lol uh..apparently the googled business terms do apply ..it's a shame that you're too uneducated to realize it.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I love the responses this post has brought out.

SWOT Analysis

Do it all the time in the military. If OSU is going somewhere else with its broadcasts is a threat, why drive them further away by alienating the school, coach, team and fan base intentionally? Bad tactic. It would make more sense to lure them back to the mothership. Grandma always said you'll atract more flies with honey than vinegar.

Marketing Warfare:  Most of strategic business is modeled after military strategy. 

I would love to have a discussion about military strategy. I haven't had many opportunities to exercise my Master's degree in awhile. In warfare, we utilize the strategies you speak of to attack our enemies or competitors for power and influence. In the case you propose, wouldn't that be Fox and CBS (who by the way carries the largest portion of the SEC's game coverage including the SEC CCG & the Iron Bowl, which is in direct competition with the WWL's SEC network)? Why would ESPN use those strategies against the biggest cash cow on the market, Ohio State?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Why would ESPN use those strategies against the biggest cash cow on the market, Ohio State?

Again, it's about Market Share.  True, ESPN makes money off of Big 10 conference games, but sometimes a loss is good for the long run. 

What network would be hurt more if Ohio State's program (or any B1G program) went into the tank and couldn't draw an audience?  ESPN or FS1/BTN?  This isn't even a question.  ESPN would benefit greatly if the BTN would crash and go away. 

By the way, someone had a good question and said, "well what about CBS?"  CBS isn't a threat to ESPN because CBS is not a sports network.  CBS is not going to revamp its programming and focus on college football.  CBS' success is from CBS News, Survivor, 60 Minutes, NCIS, Late Night shows, etc etc and during the week isn't going to focus on college football coverage as a sports network has to.  The BTN is a threat because its existence depends on college football. 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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Das Hufeisen's picture

Several good points here, particularly:

Brett McMurphy was coincidentally on ESPN's dime when he broke stories on facebook and twitter -an obvious Guerilla attack likely funded by ESPN. (Even if we assume ESPN was ignorant to this) ESPN then ran with McMurphy's story, ignoring all facts and attacked FS1/BTN's #1 brand, with the intent to not only kill recruiting and success, but to kill interest from the OSU fanbase. It also has attacked MSU, Maryland, PSU with an intensity that ESPN brands (SEC, ACC) are sheltered from.

I have yet to see the intensity of coverage for any SEC or ACC related scandal. Even the Hugh Freeze thing didn't blow up on the front page for days on end. Yet I remember 6 months ago you would have thought Tom Izzo and Mark Dantonio were child molesters based solely on headlines alone.

As to the "why would ESPN drive away viewers/clicks from a huge fanbase like OSU's" argument, my answer would be, I don't know, maybe the strategy is worth it? They haven't exactly set the bar very high for successful business sports entertainment models lately. I mean they've blown millions on on-air "talent" that flamed out quickly. They've laid off dozens of employees, they've lost money, etc. Maybe they're just not that bright?

AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built

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CincyOSU's picture

Brett McMurphy was coincidentally on ESPN's dime when he broke stories on facebook and twitter -an obvious Guerilla attack likely funded by ESPN. (Even if we assume ESPN was ignorant to this) ESPN then ran with McMurphy's story, ignoring all facts and attacked FS1/BTN's #1 brand, 

McMurphy was not an employee of ESPN, they were simply paying out the rest of his contract. Charlie Weis is still getting paid by ND due to the same circumstances. It’s QUITE a reach to think there is some sinister conspiracy at play here. 

ESPN was FAR from the only outlet to run with this story, in fact, FS1/BTN were just as critical, if not more, than ESPN towards their “#1 brand”. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

ESPN was literally the last major sports media outlet to pick up McMurphy’s story. It took them hours to republish any of it. That flies directly in the face of what you’re proposing. 

Unless you expect folks to believe that was part of the entire diabolical plan to draw attention away from ESPN. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Yes, ESPN was the last to report, but still managed to smear Meyer, OSU, and its fan base, the most. 

ESPN let Brett McMurphy run with a bullshit story in its earliest stages, which allowed ESPN to appear innocent and "objective."

Having McMurphy break the story on facebook and twitter also keeps ESPN off the legal hook and allows them to pile on a fabricated story with damaging opinions -which is exactly what happened, whether this was planned or not.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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CincyOSU's picture

The tin foil hat conspiracy runs deep with this one...

BTW, your statement absolutely wreaks of confirmation bias...”the most”, ignoring that FACT they covered it no differently than anyone else, thinking McMurphy and ESPN were actually working together, etc. the funny thing is you write things without realizing it hurts the stance you’re taking. 

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Zonabuck's picture

First means nothing. AFTER the story was published with details from both Zach and Courtney’s mothers, they were still pushing the narrative that Urban was a fraud, a liar, and that he couldn’t make it past the end of the season, if that. That’s done specifically to undercut the program and impact recruiting. 

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CincyOSU's picture

First means nothing. AFTER the story was published with details from both Zach and Courtney’s mothers, they were still pushing the narrative that Urban was a fraud, a liar, and that he couldn’t make it past the end of the season, if that. That’s done specifically to undercut the program and impact recruiting. 

How is that any different than what EVERY OTHER OUTLET did, including the BTN and Fox? We’re they also trying to hurt OSUs recruiting?

My God, it was absurd befor but now this is getting comical. 

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Zonabuck's picture

Here’s where you’re so far off the rails, you can’t even see the rails. ESPN engaged in a long drawn out character assassination of Urban Meyer, including long after it became clear that this was about Zach and Courtney, and Courtney’s version of events was highly suspect at best. I mean, seriously, OSU is the equivalent of Baylor?  That’s what you believe?

Fox and BTN reported on the situation.  Not even remotely the same. I know, I know, it doesn’t fit your defense narrative. I can’t help you with that. 

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CincyOSU's picture

This is seriously getting comical. You’re excusing the same actions of every other outlet because it doesn’t fit your ESPN hates OSU confirmation bias. 

I bet your one of those who “never watch ESPN” but had your ass glued to your couch clicking back and forth from the various channels just waiting for them to say something bad...all the while ignoring the world around you where every other outlet did the same thing(but they don’t hate OSU, only ESPN). But yea, it makes perfect sense that ESPN hates a program that makes them gobs of money. Good grief. 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

In the professional world, we don't call it a conspiracy.  We call it strategic planning, and it's a private matter.

lol continuing to argue that ESPN is an objective news source.  How ignorant.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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CincyOSU's picture

Where did I, or any other “ESPN apologist”, ever say they were a reputable, objective news source?  Just because they suck at their job doesn’t mean they hate OSU. 

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Zonabuck's picture

You’re arguing that they’re treating it just like every other outlet in the world, which is patently false. And you do it every time there’s yet another credibility issue with ESPN. It’s like the bat signal for you. The ‘60s comedy version. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Alright, fellas. (This goes for HYNG8 and Cincy too) I started this, so now I’m obliged to step in and break it up. 

Please walk away. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

I'm able to argue about this without taking it to a personal level -where Cincy and 992 took it. This is a great topic Navy, but unfortunately there are children involved.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Calling people children and idiots is getting personal and violates the rules. 

I asked nicely. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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CincyOSU's picture

Did I personally attack you? You called me stupid(uneducated). I think someone needs to look in the mirror and self assess. 

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CincyOSU's picture

This is a great topic Navy, but unfortunately there are children involved.

Especially when you look in the mirror...

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bd2999's picture

Not sure this is laid out well or in a convincing way. Just because those are things that can be used does not mean that any of them were used in this case or situation.

The main point of this post was to just point out, in a funny way, how confirmation bias works. People that think ESPN is out to get OSU are going to believe it no matter what. And will pull various things out.

It is a little funny that you bring up some of these but dismiss your initial statement. Clicks, viewers and revenue are the main thing ESPN or any such company are after. The other situations are just considerations in getting it and maximizing those. It makes little to no sense for a board to just sit there and make the choice to just go after one college team in particular.

I would agree that coverage is slanted towards the big cities in most repsects, as are their commentators, but it is not an official line or anything.

I even saw a poster try to make the claim that it makes more business since for them to alienate one of the largest fan bases in the US. That makes zero since. ESPN, and most companies, will happily take revenue where they ca nget it.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

My man! I think you’re the first one to truly get it. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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NHBuckeye's picture

Fields of Dreams

 

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TheButcher's picture

So Navy is an enabler for Cincy? Who knew? :0)

If this is the biggest debate of the week, i'm cool with it.

Thebutcher IV

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

You know what people aren't discussing?  JT Barrett.  Who's says there's no method to the madness?
 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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I&#039;m Ron Burgundy's picture

Speaking of which, what happened to Buckeye Jack?  Did I miss something?

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CALPOPPY's picture

Speaking of which, what happened to Buckeye Jack?

He's on vacation.

Memento mori

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

When the poker coverage surpassed the actual sports coverage I packed it in.

18 Saturdays till kickoff

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

One thing I thought was interesting is that ESPN got ripped by some sports commentators like Clay Travis for posting the Zach Smith story a few hours later than other outlets like ESPN was protecting Ohio State. My memory is also that ESPN's original article, when posted, was much more accurate as to what McMurphy had actually reported versus what he was simply claiming or assuming. The main point being that McMurphy and other sports outlets claimed Urban knew certain things when that was simply speculation. ESPN did not conflate that assumption with fact. I felt they held their original story back until they could attempt to determine what was factual and what was an assumption because McMurphy blurred the line on that. Most outlets did not.

Yes, then when the story picked up steam ESPN continued to cover it and all their talking heads weighed in. But there weren't many talking heads with other outlets or sports writers who took up for OSU either. It was a small group overall who recognized the nuance in the situation. I found it interesting ESPN could both be ripped by the Clay Travises of the world for not reporting the story soon enough, and be the main culprit as to the unfairness of the story by OSU fans. In this case, I found it to be the biggest dog in the yard getting grief from all sides. I actually thought other sources handled the story a lot worse than ESPN. But I don't watch the talking head shows anymore and stick to the written reporting more often than not, so that may just be my perception based on that.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Excellent points, Beantown. I read an article that discussed this very issue - ESPN was the last major, sports, news outlet to pick up the Zach Smith story. OSU fans tend to forget that. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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CreekBuck's picture

Clickbait feels more like Trollbait.

You win with people.

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osu992's picture

Nothing quite like a well laid trap.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

And caught some serious fish. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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WiliestBuckeye's picture

A lot of people point to the McMurphy story as proof that ESPN hates OSU, but what if the truth is the exact opposite? McMurphy gets fired from ESPN, then concots a "revenge" story centered around Urban Meyer/OSU. He gets all of the SJW around the nation riled up, which forces ESPN to hop aboard the national narrative. As the truth slowly surfaces, it seems more and more like Urban Meyer did not cover up domestic violence, but the narrative is so far off the rails by that point there is no going back. Now ESPN is forced to further alienate one of the top brands in the country to save face while McMurphy laughs his ass off at his new gig. 

"Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment."

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Dillon G's picture

On my DVR is BTN guest Nicole Auerbach. I will demonstrate anti-Ohio State bias. Not to be confused with being a hater. Stanley Jackson calls out the double standard when ranking teams.

#walkaway

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Go get 'em, tiger.
 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Dillon G's picture

Like I said, bias. Not to be confused with being a hater. Jackson pointed out "who did they play" when she states Ohio State has played any good teams. And Alabama has?

BTN doesn't put haters on TV, either way. It's bad TV.

As a side note, ESPN's new President is removing political takes and social justice from the broadcast. Too late. You go on TV acknowledge it, then I will consider it.

#walkaway

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osu992's picture

Other proof: Dwayne Haskins' childhood proclamation ad nauseam.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Dillon G's picture

I mentioned earlier in the thread, days ago, this is not hate. But it is bias. Or maybe she is stupid.

You really need to see the whole exchange. Jackson points out her double standard in this clip. Alabama has played nobody. Clemson hasn't shown anything either. And the Clemson A&M game had SEC circular ranking increase in it. A&M lost, and moved up.
 

#walkaway

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CincyOSU's picture

I’m confused, Nicole doesn’t work for ESPN. 

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Dillon G's picture

Should we start a separate thread for each network? This is what I said.

On my DVR is BTN guest Nicole Auerbach. I will demonstrate anti-Ohio State bias.

#walkaway

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osu992's picture

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Dillon G's picture

Gameday started the Ohio State coverage with "Domestic violence ALLEGATIONS." This is the narrative and they will not quit until Buckeye nation turns on Meyer (they are that stupid). They use "allegation" because it isn't true and they know it isn't true. "Allegation" does not have to be true. It doesn't mean anything one way or the other. 

I think I will take that route with a demonstration.

The owner of the site cannot let DJ Byrnes return. DJ assaulted a woman last night. The allegation is what is important. See how easy that is? I will keep talking about it until he is blocked from returning after his campaign.

I monitored to collect more evidence that myself and others are right.

#walkaway

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BRO-DUDE's picture

New 11w t-shirt idea :)

ESPN SUCKS ...

CincyOSU (gladly) swallows.

 

{This is only a joke, btw. Before the Outrage Train comes at me.}

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CincyOSU's picture

We got an internet tough guy I see...

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kbab's picture

ESPN doesn’t hate OSU. They love OSU and the ratings Buckey news brings. So they showcase and promote Buckeye news good or bad. ESPN exploits Buckeye news good or bad. ESPN manufactures Buckeye news good or bad.

As far as some individual talking heads at ESPN, they know talking about OSU brings ratings, so they talk about OSU, good or bad. The trouble is when they go the “bad” route, Buckeye nation fires back. Those with weaker egos, take it personally and trying to prove that “they’re right” about OSU, becomes their personal vendetta.

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HWTOH's picture

I'll mention two "ESPN loves OSU" moments. ESPN Classic did a "20 greatest College Football traditions" show and with impeccable taste ranked "Script Ohio" number one.  The second "ESPN loves OSU" moment was when the "You Can't Blame" show did "You Can't Blame Terry Porter for the 2003 Fiests Bowl Outcome". It pointed out that Terry Porter got the call right and there were other things that kept the "unbeatable" Miami Hurricanes from winning such as having OSU 4th and 14 in overtime and the unbeatable Hurricanes couldn't get a seemingly easy stop.

So there have been times when "ESPN loves OSU".

HWTOH

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Dillon G's picture

Fake news alert, and it isn't from the drive-byes. Or maybe it is. This is espn.com on the story about Day not actually being "Coach in waiting".

Day, 39, served as Ohio State's interim head coach for the first three games of the season as Meyer served a suspension handed down from the university. A two-week investigation found Meyer mishandled the employment and domestic assault allegations dealing with former wide receivers coach Zach Smith. Meyer was suspended without pay through September 2 and was banned from coaching the team during its first three games.

Smith was not fired for DV. Meyer was not suspended for anything related to it. ESPN knows this, yet many of you give them a pass when they write this horseshit. 

#walkaway

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CincyOSU's picture

Yet many of you get WAY too worked up over ANYTHING they say all the while ignoring that EVERY other outlet is still reporting it the same way. 

The media sucks and th y aren’t going to change their story. Accept it and move on...you’ll be much happier. 

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Dillon G's picture

Have a nice day.

#walkaway

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Ohiostate1957's picture

What ever happened to OSU "fan" Mark May?

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Dillon G's picture

He picked Ohio State over TCU. So maybe an alien abduction?

#walkaway

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