Skull Session: Dwayne Haskins and Joe Burrow Get Wins, Michigan and Texas Get Dumped and Michael Thomas' Subtweet

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brutus0717's picture

I'm really not worried about the defense at this point. On 2 of the long plays, Isiah Pryor was caught flatfooted and/or completely out of position. Those things are coachable. On another long play, Browning chose to run around the Guard that was coming to block him, and he chose wrong (not that choosing a side is ever right in that situation). If he just holds the blocker up, the runner would have slowed and Malik Harrison would have cleaned him up. Again, that's coachable stuff. It's not like we don't have the talent, it's just young talent that was making their first starts in major college football. As Marley would say, everything's gonna be alright.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Silver Sniper's picture

I know everyone is trying to sweep this under the rug (not you necessarily, just what I’ve been reading overall) since we scored 77 points, but that is a HUGE red flag to me that so many players were so unprepared to play Oregon State and we gave up our jynx number of points, 31, to them. I know we can get better, but our starting point is well behind what I saw of others teams this weekend. Really hoping our D isn’t the weak link in a year when the offense is finally back to being championship level. And I hope you are right that with some teaching moments, we’ll be back on track.

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brutus0717's picture

No I'm not trying to sweep it under the rug at all, and I agree that the fact that they weren't prepared is alarming, but were talking about 3 plays equaling 21 points. If the final score was 77-10, everyone would be good with the defensive performance. And it's not as if Oregon State was driving the ball on us consistently. Now if the same shit happens against Rutgers, I'll be leading the chorus of boos, but I'm just not there yet.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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livinginthegrey's picture

I thought they moved the ball agaisnst us early and had a fumble

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Silver Sniper's picture

Brutus, this is good. Keep talking me off the ledge...in all seriousness, I really hope you’re right. 

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Extramedium's picture

I don't think it's such a catastrophe to be honest.  31 looks terrible but their scores and yardage came primarily on big plays that weren't the norm.  And that RB is insanely fast when he get in the open. 

The problems still need to be corrected but it's not like the Beavers were marching up and down the field at will.  That would be very concerning.

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langweilig's picture

Also arguably our best player in the secondary was sick and didn't play. Jordan fuller will help out a ton when he suits up again

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Except Fuller wasn't sick.  It's a hamstring injury, which could be problematic. Those take time to heal, and reinjure easily.

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

I'm with you navy, when they originally said it was an illness I was not worried. A hamstring bagged mike Weber 3/4 of 2017.

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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The Rill Dill's picture

If a safety os our savior, the linebackers are terrible. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

Dwayne Haskins heard all your preseason hype and then just cooly gave you what was quite possibly the best starting quarterback debut in Ohio State history.

FTFY 

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SilverHaven's picture

Silver to Silver, I agree with you on both points. 

1. The Dwayne Train was expected to run down the track pretty smooth and fast, but I was not expecting that bullet train express.

2. The defense should be a concern.  It has bigger problems than 2 guys out of position on 2 plays.  We kid ourselves with this "next man up" mantra, when the next up is just out of high school without college training, without game experience and without mental maturity.  By the end of the season, those 3 issues will be resolved.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Zone's picture

Lets not act like these players are spring chickens and they are not just out of highschool. Most enroll yearly having been in the program for over a year competeing against elite players, players who have been drafted. Look at the players that were plugged in last year at critical moments. It most certainly is next man up.

There's no replacement for experience and most of the missed assignments were a result of this.

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SilverHaven's picture

Valid point abt early enrollees-- altho' unquantified.
This year 9 enrolled early, and in 2017, 10 enrolled early, and one was Sheffield the former Alabama 5-star and JUCO transfer. That's not "most." 

 There's no replacement for experience

Mahalo, Zone

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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eclectic_tastes's picture

Sorry, that still goes to Cardale

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fear_the_nut70's picture

You are confusing importance of the game with QB’s actual performance. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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eclectic_tastes's picture

He was going up against a way better defense and the importance of the game also means he had to handle a higher pressure situation.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I know we like to rip the world wide leader in hypocacy for how it covers the sport we love.  But that E60 story and the written version linked in the WMDs was great television and reporting.  If we can't applaud them when they do something right, our words of criticism then carry less weight and we just become one more holier than thou poster no better than the worst representatives of them.  Do yourself a favor and read/watch it.

I'm not overly worried yet about the defense.  But if the problems with overpursuit and poor angles look the same vs the Scarlet Kunigits, THEN I'll start to be concerned.

Rhetorical Question:  Is there a more undisciplined defense than the U?

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MN Buckeye's picture

The article on Smith and McCollough is inspirational.

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Spivan's picture

I experienced this first hand. Found my real mom about 10 years ago and my real dad a few years after that l.

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Baroclinicity's picture

Why would Thomas do that to JT? 

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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JTstan16's picture

Especially on the day he was cut lol. But hey, Divas will always be Divas. They'll eventually cross paths again.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

JTB is on the New Orleans practice squad. They should see each other quite a bit this year!

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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Blackcoffee's picture

Maybe it was a moment of remembering many passes that shoulds come his way but never made it, one of those coulda shoulda things. A wistful moment. Its human nature.

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Nutinpa's picture

Because he knows that he.....and a handful of other WRs at OSU in the past 3 to 5 years were woefully underutilized -- and likely why, even guys like Jalin Marshall, made the decision, if even ill-advised, to leave a year early.  Of course, the "blame" for that resided equally with Meyer as it did with JTB, but don't tell Mike Thomas that.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Even if all of that is true, it would seem a seven figure pay day fixes that. In other words, that costs you a career and I get it.  But it didn’t. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Nutinpa's picture

Completely agree.   Since this fan base remains divided, count me in the "pro JTB" group. 

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Kangarooman's picture

Probably feels like JT cost him some many. He might have a point. Thomas should have been a top 10 pick.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I like how it is all about JT’s short comings.  We had a shitty WR coach and a run first system, but it is all about JT’s shortcomings.  Gotta love fans and their narratives.  Perhaps comments like these reveal something about Thomas’s character (cuz I don’t think you’d ever see JT say these things).

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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ChazBuckeye's picture

Because facts are facts...many seem to miss those over the last 5 years prior to this year.

It is time!!!!!

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Facts are facts.  Not only does JT hold many school and conference records, but he is one of 2 starting QB’s at the helm of the team to win double digit games in a championship season in my life time.  That (at least the second thing) is the benchmark for Haskins, don’t lose sight of that.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Kangarooman's picture

The debate is over. You were wrong. Give it a rest.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Area man declares himself the winner of an internet debate.  More at 11.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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fishleehooker's picture

It looks kinda bad, but it seems he is excited that Haskins has a generational release.  Like one of best of his generation.  But he might not have thought his whole post through as far as how it would make JT feel.  More likely he only thought about Haskins and receivers. I hope. 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

As my father would always say... It takes a real, decent man to phrase a sentence nicely about somebody you don't like - in the end, just don't be a douchebag.  Mike, stop being a douchebag about J.T....

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Your dad used the word douchebag when he gave you fatherly advice? At first I was going to criticize that but then I decided that maybe the best advice any father can give to his son is to not act like a douchebag.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Iowa - yeah, my dad's fatherly advice were actually more like jokes between us.  He had a way of dropping those nuggets at the most hilarious times ... my favorite was:  If you're looking for sympathy, it's in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.  God I miss that man!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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ATLBuckeye92's picture

What am I missing?  Why does the tweet have to say anything about JT?  He says Haskins timing and release is great and the receivers are about to eat.  JT's offense was about him running the ball, no release or timing required.  

I don't see the issue.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

That’s why it’s cyptic...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Silver Sniper's picture

I’m with you ATL, I’m willing to assume best intentions here and not try to assign a dig on JT by Thomas. To me, he’s saying Haskins has an amazing release compared to QBs in general. Would have never thought that to be cryptic without the author suggesting it.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Considering that Barrett set numerous passing records at OSU, it's not like the WRs were exactly starving the last four years.

I think people are reading way too much into Thomas's Tweet.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Findog5's picture

Was MT wrong?

The more you act like a lady the more likely he’ll act like a gentleman. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Depends on what you mean.  Factually wrong or wrong to say it at all.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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JTstan16's picture

The day we praise Dwayne's talents without mentioning or shitting on the JT is a day I look forward to. He obviously wasn't the most perfect QB after Tim Beck was hired, we get it. But he was a great leader, a winner and still holds countless school and conference records. His achievements will never be taken away from him no matter what you think of him. So keep beating a dead horse if you please.

This is also really ironic coming Mike Thomas because iirc, he was EATIN' during his breakout season in the '14. I wonder who his QB was? Anyways... I'm gonna enjoy my day off with lots of food. You do the same.

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brutus0717's picture

JT had great games against teams like Oregon State too (I know, it didn't look the same), and he was criticized for it.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Very good point...those games always had to be looked at in context. 

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Nutinpa's picture

Bingo.  Gary Patterson will have 2 games (plus Michigan last year) of film before they play.  Then, we can judge our new Aaron Rodgers and the coaches' ability to help him succeed.

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

Eventually you won’t be able to move the bar. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Exactly.  Look, Haskins looked great.  Hell he exceeded expectations which were already other worldly.  But just like JT, he will be judged solely by how he plays in playoff games and whether he is the starting Qb when OSU wins a ring, and the failures of other components of the team cannot be an excuse. That is the box some painted themselves into.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Funny, I said exactly this on Saturday and Sunday, and people were blasting me for it.

Barrett's numbers against UC, BGSU, Kent St, and UNLV were comparable and in some cases better than Haskins against Ore State. If we had a one game sample to look at from Barrett, and I gave you Kent State (game 3 in 2014) people would think he was amazing (and they did at the time). 26 of 36 passing for 333 yds, 6 TDs and a pick, plus 8 rushes for 6 yds. 

I loved what we saw of Haskins on Saturday, and I hope to see more this week against Rutgers.  But watching him throw with little to no pressure from a clean pocket doesn't tell us enough.  Patterson is a defensive guy and is going to disguise coverages, apply pressure when it's unexpected, and has horses to run on offense.  We'll no a lot more in two weeks.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

We will not no a lot more in two weeks. We will “yes!” a lot more in two weeks. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I could edit that, but I’ll wear my typo as a badge of shame. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

JT was a stat machine, no doubt. All I know is I now have a lot more confidence in our ability to convert third downs. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Yeah, being 6th in FBS on third down conversion percentage in 2017, 17th in 2016, and 3rd in 2014 was so nerve-wracking.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

I was thinking the Clemson Orange Bowl. I still shudder at the thought. 

We should have more success in third and short yardage with the threat of a throw and obviously way more success in third and medium to long. 

What do you think about the Alabama and Clemson situations? 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Not third 2 or less against teams with a stiff run d.  JT’s ability to run the read option will be missed more Han some realize.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Zimmy07's picture

I’ve wondered what happens when he gets pressured a lot as well but then I remembered Michigan was bringing heat against him last year and I think he went 8 for 9.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Yeah - I'm pretty f@#$ing tired of people ragging on J.T.... I'll just leave it at that!  Not looking for another jihad conversation.  I watched a great deal of video on those games and J.T. did a fucking TON of awesome work at Q.B. that won us game, after game, after game.  It wasn't the shiny new object like throwing bombs down the field - it was the consistency of constantly making the right decision, getting 8 yards on 3rd and 7... so how about we all shut the fuck up about ragging on one of the best QBs we've had, one of the best leaders we've had, and one of the best winners we've had!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I could write 6 or 7 boring paragraphs explaining why I see it both ways.

But here is something I see only one way: the tendency of some commenters to always (negatively) reference J.T. in relation to anything Haskins does is becoming very tiresome.

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

Leadership is immeasurable. A made up intangible. A description of how one practices. 

Cardale lacked it. But he didn’t lack the Natty. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I am tried of this narrative too.  Cardale managed a team that won the last three games.  Last time I checked, 3 wins is not enough to win a title in CFB.  For God’s sake, it’s a team game and it is nauseating watching people who insist on reducing it to a single factor. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

All the love we’ve been showering on Burrow — he is a JT-model excellent game manager.

And don’t think that Haskins didn’t benefit from JT’s example.  J.T. taught Haskins to be a leader.  I cracked up after last year’s Michigan game, they interviewed Haskins and J.T. together and they were both standing in the exact same position with their hands in their pads.

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Buctor's picture

The offense was impressive.  About as impressive as you could hope for.  But until a few games pass, we won't know for sure how much bad beaver had to do with it.

The defense made a couple of major mistakes, but also had some really good moments as well.  The starting DL is awesome for sure.  The depth impressive as well.

Was a little surprised they had a couple of players out run the dbs.  Poor position, poor choices, and poor angles should be teachable though.

Looking forward to the next game.  Just win the next one!

Wonder if Coach is at the office yet?

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Blackcoffee's picture

These very same issues were teachable last year as well. The point of a teachable moment is insuring there is a teacher that can teach them. Time will tell.

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brutus0717's picture

I know where you're going with this, but the safeties made the majority of the big mistakes. First year coach in that spot.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Blackcoffee's picture

Ha! Yea... But taint gonna go there just yet.

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Schizo's picture

I think the most frustrated I'll ever be with with Haskins is when I'm yelling "run!" at my TV as I look longingly at 10 yards of green space in front of him while he continues to scan downfield.

I was thinking this, but then that frustration quickly turned into relief. I can only imagine what Urban was screaming at his TV.

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Zimmy07's picture

I had forgotten that I also yelled Run! At him a couple of times.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

The moment I knew Haskins was "different" was on a 3rd and 6ish play and he rolls to the left. He has the first down if he just runs instead. Instead, he fires a laser, 10 yard strike between two defenders.

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Schizo's picture

Agreed. I think we're thinking of the same one early in the first half.

I'm pretty sure the play calling will change when Urban is coaching (even if he doesn't call the plays he still may overrule Day/Wilson in that situation). Also, if it's a tighter game against elite competition I bet Haskins runs for the 1st down, especially if they're giving him the automatic 5-yard cushion. 

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GareBear's picture

I just have to wonder how much we’ve been conditioned to assume a “RUN!!” situation is actually a “RUN!!” situation after he J.T. years. 

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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Zimmy07's picture

Not First!  I saw Burrow audible out of at least 2 plays - 1 for a TD & 1 for a 1st down.  He got robbed of a TD that replay would have awarded him if the refs had decided to use it.  He drew Miami offsides twice using hard counts and just ran it himself on 3rd and long for a 1st.  He had numerous throw aways to avoid sacks and just as many drops.  LSU is probably going to take some losses but Burrow & that transfer kicker are going to win them some games they wouldn’t have otherwise.

Hey Big 10,  Go ahead and put 8 or 9 in the box on us this year.  You’ll get torched.  How about you drop 8 & take your chances of being chewed up in a relentless march by any one of our 4 RB’s?  We’re not Futzing around this time.  Ya done messed up McMurphy.  Now we mad.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

LSU’s defense will keep them in games. And while Joe’s stats weren’t great, they came against arguably one of the nastiest defenses in the country and he gave up zero turnovers to a defense that built an entire image and brand last year around creating them. He was Danny Ettling-like efficient, which probably doesn’t excite LSU fans but considering the opponent and the outcome, it’s hard for anyone to have expected better..

If I’d played a drinking game every time Blackledge and McDonoygh said Ohio State when talking about Burrow, I’d be massively hungover this morning.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Buckabroad's picture

One thing both TTUN and the U have in common?

They both talk and play trash.

"The minute we stop expecting greatness, we become Wisconsin."

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fear_the_nut70's picture

McMurtrey will have nothing to do with how this team plays this year (it will be execution or lack thereof).  You are obsessed with it (for the moment).  If the team is, that is a bad sign.  This is such a stupid narrative.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Browns88's picture

Really enjoyed Joe Burrow and LSU stomping out the Canes.  He will have a solid season

Browns88

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

The U will always be my second favorite team to root against.  May they lose every game.  

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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WezBuck28's picture

Hey, maybe they are playing defense like this on purpose, we have PSU in 3 weeks ya know, can't give away our secrets just yet /s.

Our offense was a good as I've seen in a while, Haskins is exactly what this team needed!!

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NOBLUE's picture

defense will be fine ..WOW some people really make a lot out of nothing..all Thomas did was compliment Haskins....

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Extramedium's picture

It's like we all turn into middle school girls when there’s any hint of shade being thrown 

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Reuben's picture

This was how I read it, too. Marveling at how good Haskins looked as a college QB in his first start. Forget JT—there might not be another QB in the country who has an arm like that.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Haskins is very good. The RBs are studs 4 deep. The Slobs are elite and improving more. The defense's issues are fixable.

TTUN still sucks.

Happy Labor Day!

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

TTUN sucks more than ever.

The good thing is they invested so much in Harbaugh I don't think they can afford to replace him.

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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Extramedium's picture

And who would they replace him with anyway?

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

The most interesting man in college football.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG28ncSlfag

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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PRO8's picture

And why do we want them to replace Harbaugh?

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WC Buckeye's picture

Who’s got it better than TTUN? WE DO.

GO BUCKS

The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.

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Scooter's picture

Only teams who don't have it better the TTUN are Colorado, Purdue, Kansas, and Vanderbilt.

Scooter

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iowabuckeyes's picture

This is true but none of those schools would be considered CFB blue bloods.

Michigan was the only B1G school that lost its 2017 bowl game and the only B1G school that lost its 2018 OOC opener. Throw in losses to Wisconsin and OSU in its last two regular season games and Michigan is on a 4-game losing streak.

Turn a W upside down and it’s a M...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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hetuck's picture

1. I enjoyed watching Harbaugh futz around and lose the game. 

2. Game day forecast is 78 and nearly 50% chance of showers for the duration of the game. 

3. The McCullough adoption story was amazing. I hope Sherman Smith comes to Ohio Stadium next September to see his grandson play. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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hetuck's picture

Forgot to mention Desmond's diet may give you a six-pack, but it clearly leads to brain damage. How else to explain putting Michigan in the CFP?

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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mr.green's picture

He should spend less time making breakfast and more time looking at football. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Spoiler alert: I read the Deland McCullough story last night right before I feel asleep. When I got to the part where his birth mom told him his father was Sherman Smith, I literally sat up and said wow multiple times. Scared the living sh*t out of my wife. That was not a twist I saw coming.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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TJ1's picture

Totally enjoyed Canes losing last night and Joe Burrow. He will get more comfortable. Haskins Jr. looks to me like the best QB in FBS.

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Extramedium's picture

Burrow looked pretty great.  He had a few key drops and a TD taken away by the refs.  Then Orgeron went into turtle mode after getting a big lead.  

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2morrow's picture

Orgeron started in turtle mode. Through out the start of the game I kept thinking LSU coaching is a clusterF$%# - then Joe started bailing them out by getting the team to the line faster because the plays were coming in so slow, and then with some great audibles. There were 4 dropped passes that all should have easily been caught for a total of at least 75 yards.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Lot of drops and Joe wisely threw several OOB where a lot of QBs might have tried to force a pass into coverage. I watched the game once and see no need to watch it twice but when they watch that film, Burrow’s game management will be graded stellar. Dude was cool, calm and collected.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Haskins looked great.  How about we wait to see him play against TCU/PAU before going nuts

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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nm_buck's picture

Burrow had an outstanding game. Had they waited for the replay he would have had a TD pass, and his receivers had at least 3 maybe 4 drops of some very good throws. Coming against that defense, and knowing he has had such little time to prep the LSU playbook, pretty clear he did a great job.

Best thing was seeing him jawing with the U linebackers after plays... the kid's a gamer he didn't take any shit... he dished it out

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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PhillyNut's picture

He did have a very good game but they wait for replay and that catch is reversed, the guy did not have control and it hit the ground briefly.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Joe Burrows stats are a little misleading. He played much better than those numbers. 

His receivers did him no favors on his downfield throws. I counted 3 big drops that would have pushed that yardage total higher. And Burrow put the ball on their hands for each one. The refs got his one touchdown pass wrong -- and therefore LSU had to run it in. 

LSU's offensive line struggled quite a bit with Miami's pass rush. At least 5 of those incompletions were from Joe smartly avoiding pressure and throwing the ball away so as not to take a huge sack. 

Not sold on Ensminger's offense. It was okay. But they were tentative at times and ran some head-scratching plays. Perhaps understandable given Miami has a very good defense overall & this was a big game.

The more trust Ed O. and Steve E. really put in Burrow -- look out -- LSU can be really good. Burrow may save Ed's job. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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nm_buck's picture

"But they were tentative at times and ran some head-scratching plays. Perhaps understandable given Miami has a very good defense overall & this was a big game."

Once they got a comfy lead, I coulda swore the vest was in there calling plays

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

The 4th quarter was FULL Jim Tressel. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Once they got a comfy lead, I coulda swore the vest was in there calling plays

It wins games, and 95% of college coaches would do the same thing.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Maybe but against a team of Miami’s caliber, the Q4 cruise control strategy has been known to backfire. Put Nick Saban in the 5% who wouldn’t. People may hate his ruthlessness but there’s a reason Alabama is as good as it is and it starts with Saban’s No Mercy philosophy. If he was a mob hit man, he wouldn’t just kill you, he’d mutilate your corpse beyond all recognition.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I don't have enough data to say with absolutely certainty, but even Saban is known to shut it down, kill the clock and play percentage football when he has a comfortable lead.  Look at the game log from Louisville on Saturday.  Up 28-0 to start the second half, and he goes to 75% run and 25% pass; they threw a total of 6 passes in second half vs. 20 in the first.  Bama's last four drives of the game (score was 44-7) ended in a FG, missed FG, a punt and a clock kill.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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nm_buck's picture

It wins games, and 95% of college coaches would do the same thing.

Absolutely. This was in the context of wanting JB to have a massive day... against an adversary I typically root against.

In that 4th Q I was hoping they would turn him loose a little bit... but they got the dub and that's all what matters

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

Happy Labor Day - Urban returns to practice today. Happy to move forward another step towards normalcy. 

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Hovenaut's picture

All in all, looked like a pretty good weekend.

Happy Labor Day, Dubbers...go Buckeyes.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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ToTheHouse's picture

"His anticipation is very elite,...He gave me a chance on that little hitch route to turn my head around and get the ball, and allowed me to be an athlete." McLaurin, "and the most important thing is running out of routes because he's gonna put it on you."

Thee Train has now left Thee Station...BOOM + BOOM !

The Hairball Dumpster Fire...is a Raging INFERNO...& they're coming to our House !

UFM 6-0 will be 7-0 !!!

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ToTheHouse's picture

Happy Labor day !

AND Mike Webber says, "Ill be happy to see him(UFM) give him a big hug and get ready for Rutgers."

Yes this IS a day to be thankful for !

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Nutinpa's picture

Take away a couple of big plays by the Oregon St Offense and we pitch a shutout.  

Of course, if you take away that big ice berg.... the Titanic would be on display at the Smithsonian. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

That would be one helluva big wing at the Smithsonian!

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Nutinpa's picture

Agree, LOL.   I thought about changing my comment, then said, "screw it:"

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I’ve had to say so many times “I mean I know it was only Oregon state” but it’s tough not to be excited about how things went Saturday and how it forecasts for the rest of the year 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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huffdaddy's picture

Haskins was elite but I also thought the often maligned WRs were great. Several times they took 90 mph fastballs on the hands and hauled them in without breaking stride. They looked ready.

also, love Joe Burrow and was cool watching him last night. But coaches made the right call - arm talent not in the same zip code as Dwayne.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Steelydan54's picture

Agree about Haskins but Burreaux was masterful in running that offense in spite of the confusion all around him. He's a coach on the field and now you know that it was a gut wrenching decision for Meyer to let him go. JB could really succeed at the next level if given a chance. Haskins will be a first round pick. 

Steelybuck54

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Major H's picture

Desmond Howard's diet doesn't mention any CROW! Maybe he needs some good recipes? 

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Homey1970's picture

Always thought those WMDs were for odd-ball stories and afterthought topics.  Oh, hey Desmond!

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BeatTTUN's picture

Futz

Die Hard references, huh?

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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bucknuthoffy7's picture

Haskins looked great in week 1. Should be a lot of fun to watch him play this year with the talent we have on offense. Love to see him slinging it around so effortlessly and staying in the pocket. Hope it will continue against better competition. Burrow looked very good last night for a guy who wasn't there for LSU's spring game and had to learn a new system in a short time. Wonder what the ratings were like in Columbus last night to watch him? Was great seeing Herman lose again to Maryland after the tumultuous offseason events with Meyer and his denial of being the source for his slimeball buddy Mcmurphy's ever changing story. Things are off to a rocky start in TTUN land. I'm starting to believe that Harbaugh is not the answer and they'll continue to be a mystery. Just when you think those Wolverines are going to turn the corner, they go screw things all up again! Lol

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Kangarooman's picture

Im surprised how many LSU fans are displeased with Joe on the message boards. There were three drops and he was asked to just protect the big lead in the second half. Also, there QBing has been some of the hottest garbage you could imagine in the past ten years. Youd think theyd be happy with that win, right?

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

They probably think he’s lucky to land on their team.  That coach knows who got lucky.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

People are irrational.

Joe Burrow WON the game for them with his intelligence. Anyone who actually knows football beyond a stat line could see this. 

Miami's offense sucks, but they have a legit top 25 defensive and a heckuva pass rush. 

LSU's offensive coordinator was Tim Beck-ish. And Burrow checked out of his crappy plays a number of times ... including the 50 yard TD run that broke Miami. The burned 3 timeouts in like 5 minutes because the play calls weren't getting in.  LSU mostly played Tresselball -- a not to lose strategy -- and it worked. 

LSU receivers dropped the 3 longest Burrow passes (and maybe a couple of other short ones). Further, he threw 5 balls away to avoid negative yardage sacks because he was under so much pressure all night. 

I believe Dwayne Haskins is a better passer of the ball...like a generational arm talent. But we played a trash team in Oregon State and Burrow would have lit them up for similar stats as Haskins. Let's pump the brakes just a little on DH until we face a defense with a pulse.

Both of these guys are NFL QBS. Burrow is Alex Smith like in his game -- but I think could be a better passer of the ball. Maybe Weber was right, could be the next Tom Brady or a Joe Montana. Smart guys who don't have the great arm talent, but always know what play to call or where to throw the ball.  Haskins is more like a Marino/Favre/Elway/Rogers. He's a gunslinger with a rocket arm and laser release. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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lamplighter's picture

Possibly their biggest win in what. five years? Their last big win was against Florida in 2015 (UF #8 at that time).  Bama has owned them and they are a middlin 8-4/9-3 team.

Those people need to thank their lucky stars he decided to suit up for them. Enjoy the ride

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PhillyNut's picture

They are in the land of stupid is as stupid does. No way do they want to admit that a Big Ten guy is their savior at qb, especially one from Ohio State.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Those LSU fans dissing Joey B are about as ungrateful in their good fortune as Texas Tom was in getting a hand up from Urban.

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Zimmy07's picture

I saw someone on their board compare him to a guy from 2008 who must have been the last guy they had to actually audible.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Hppy Labor Day everyone! I have my golf league championship this morning and both of my opponents are buckeyes from Columbus. So long story short, if you want to win at golf in the state of Michigan, it’s best to load your roster with guys from Ohio. Just like in football. 

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Barfolomew's picture

College football is back!

Things that are not back:
Texas
Michigan
The U

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

That Vincent Vega GIF - that was generational GIF talent Barf.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I’m wondering if McMurphy ghost-wrote the article on Tom Herman and Texas.  The sky is not falling! The sky is not falling!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Definitely not. If you read the entire article (from a Houston paper IIRC), it's a satirical piece that absolutely blasts Herman.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

LOL I was actually surprised at the “knee-jerk journalist” moniker.  As we’ve seen over the last month “journalists” stand by their own.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

As Navy said, that was tongue in cheek satire, the writer’s way of blasting Hermensa having forgotten more about football than any mere mortal sports journalist could possibly know.

Anyone remember what Hermensa said after Texas lost to UMD last year

“If we all thought that we were going to come in here and in nine months sprinkle some fairy dust on this team and think that we’ve arrived then we’re wrong,” the coach said.

A year later and they have the same problems, Herman’s arrogance and Tim Beck not being the least of them.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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J10's picture

I clicked the link about the couple with the drug drive-thru with an inkling of where that might occur.  Soon as I saw that photos it seemed obvious, and the article confirmed it - Florida. There's just a signature trashiness about that place.

**This space to be filled with an inspirational quote from a famous Buckeye**

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lew-e's picture

I love how they had signs outside directing traffic because that’s not obvious something weird is goin on 

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exnwohiobuckfan's picture

I I saw that one and also knew it had to be Florida. To be fair though, these people always seem to reside in the Orlando area. Proving central Florida is DisneyWorld and trash. 

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Major H's picture

Good thing we live about 2 hours west of Orlando. Would hate to be in the trashy part of Florida.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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J10's picture

West coast of Florida has plenty of Buckeyes (including a bunch of my relatives.) Central Florida has plenty of nuts.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

No offense but any part of Florida calling another part trash is like the pot calling the kettle black. There are times when I’ve thought it’s a half-step up from being a third world Caribbean country.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Major H's picture

 a half-step up from being a third world Caribbean country.

Really? I've only lived here a bit under 3 years and while I've seen some run down neighborhoods, I've not seen anything resembling a third world Caribbean country. Perhaps you can give some specific examples of areas I should stay away from.  

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Dillon G's picture

Sure, Burrow didn't light the world on fire in his LSU debut. He went 11-for-24 for 140 yards and no touchdowns, but he managed the hell out of that game, doing everything he needed to do against a defense littered with future NFL talent to get the win.

Zone 6 on the field would have given him better numbers. 

First thing's first, I take full responsibility for an extremely bad take of earnestly believing the Wolverines would handle Notre Dame without issue this weekend. I was catastrophically wrong and it will never happen again.

Nobody has a crystal ball. But when I see their schedule, I see 5 regular season losses. 

#walkaway

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PhillyNut's picture

I am waiting to see how things play out. Yes, their o line looked bad again but I fear ND just might be pretty good. Bad first quarter for the ttun d but did well after that. If they figure out how to keep Patterson upright I don't see 5 losses this year. Penn State and MSU were not exactly lights out against mediocre competition this weekend.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Dillon G's picture

I see 6 losses now. At Northwestern is very much in doubt for the corn and blew.

#walkaway

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kmp10's picture

But I'm now realizing there's really no hope for them.

You're far too young to know better, so I'll give you pass, but stay vigilant, look around every corner, and question everything. Never, ever get comfortable enough that you've talked yourself into believing the enemy has no hope. Revel in their misery, but always assume that the last Saturday of the regular season in November will be a goddamn war... because it probably will be.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Are you talking about TTUN or the Smith marriage?

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kmp10's picture

HAHAHAH!! Well, now that you've pointed it out, I suppose those words apply to both. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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Buctor's picture

Amen!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Paging I Survived Cooper.

Amen to this Kmp10.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Dillon G's picture

I also enjoyed Day opening up the pro-style playbook and using some misdirection and even the naked bootleg. Martell's ball fake could be better, and that can be worked on.

#walkaway

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ChazBuckeye's picture

Michael Thomas' tweet is spot on! Time for the JT homers to wake up. Not to mention, pretty sad when recruits (who dont even come to OSU) know more than our blind leader. Let the DVS rain down on me like dollar bills on a stripper. I'll revile in the fact ppl can't handle the truth!

It is time!!!!!

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lamplighter's picture

He shoulda kept quiet.  Not a big JT fan here, but he was a QB, not a thrower.  We all know that the new guy can throw, but Haskins has yet to fully show he's also the former. He probably is.  I just wish everyone could put this stuff to rest

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Nutinpa's picture

A point can be made and an opinion held -- without publicly sounding like a douche.   Oh and that goes for Mike Thomas as well, chaz. 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Nutinpa - THANK you - you typed the words right out of my fingers! 

Hey Chaz - show some class, or if you can't muster that, try for some respect.  Unless you've gotten your fat ass off the couch and set massive amounts of records for an elite college, how about you take your 'professional agent' talent skills and swallow them.  When J.T. gets up in the morning and looks at his bank account, I'm pretty sure that deposit from the NFL says a great deal more than your dime store opinion on his skills!

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cledaybuck's picture

Why does everyone think Thomas was was putting down J.T. with his tweet?  Haskins wasn’t even here when Thomas was here. Isn’t it more likely Thomas is a Buckeye and say a Buckeye QB look real good in his starting debut, and was excited about that? Hell, maybe he was throwing shade at Cardale (I doubt it) on the day he got cut nonetheless.

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CowCat's picture

JT is not mentioned in Thomas' tweet at all.

Why do people immediately think a compliment to Haskins is a complaint about JT? 

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Because people insist on filling in the blanks with their own #hottake, even when it wasn't there. It's the InstaTwitter, SnapGram, FaceChat world we live in.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Michael Thomas’ most memorable catch was on a ball thrown by another WR, Evan Spencer.

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cledaybuck's picture

Maybe. That catch was incredible, but I think the one he took to the house against MSU in 2014 was every bit as important.

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Dillon G's picture

After officers first tried to identify the substance as crack cocaine, they eventually arrested Rushing for the possession of methamphetamine "with a weapon," despite the fact he legally possessed a concealed carry in his vehicle.

So much fail in one story....it reminds me of youtube videos of LEOs that don't know the law/need to be trained. Not to be confused with a lawyer, just the basics. 

#walkaway

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Rocket Man's picture

8-8 in his last 16 games?  Heck, that'll get him a lifetime contract here with the Bengals.

Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege. 
Tyrion: A wedding. 
Varys: Exactly.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Watched the game last night, thought Burrow was fine. Keep seeing that he "managed" the game well as the highest form of praise--which is about the best compliment you can give any LSU quarterback from the last 10 years. 

And hey, if he continues to win, then he's doing what he went to do and what LSU wants him to do.

That said--I think it was definitely the right move for us to move forward with Haskins and for Joe to do what he's doing. Watching the two play this weekend, Haskins has "it"--I'm not sure Burrow does. Sure, there were some drops and stuff, but 11/24 and 0 TDs isn't really gamechanger numbers. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I get what you and others are saying, but comparing Miami's defense to Oregon State's defense is like comparing apples and frozen Hot Pockets. Haskins didn't see nearly the caliber of pass rush that Burrow had to deal with for 60 minutes.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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blueblazer22's picture

The adoption wmd is a wild one. What a story, but I have to imagine that there was some sort of cosmic pull to Smith being the guy to recruit McCullough to Miami. Worked out well. 

Burrow put LSU into position to win, especially with his checking to the 50 yard run. Orgeron may keep his job now with a competent qb running things. 

As for Michael Thomas, I prefer to think he was throwing shade at Shea Patterson....

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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osu78's picture

One of these days TTUN will dtop futzing around and play football. 

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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Buctor's picture

Hope not, I prefer it this way.  Let them futz into eternity!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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TMac's picture

Our offense is very good, Our defense has some things to clean up, but take away three plays and we hold them under 200 yards and 20 points. Fuler will return and the Bullets will be just fine. 

My takeaway from the weekend was the B1G East is ours, the only team that can take it away is us.  Improve, Focus, Beat Rutgers!

ONE Not Done!

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CowCat's picture

Re: OSU defense. Sure, our defense got caught with their pants down on 3 occasions. We also had too many pass interference calls. Schiano and company need to dial it back a bit and focus on fundamentals. We have the athletes to stop anyone.

Re: OSU offense. Wow, just wow. The OL held together. Michael Jordan did fine at center. Dwayne Haskins balled out. The receivers stepped up (Thanks, Hartline!) and the Weber/Dobbins duo was unstoppable.

Re: Burrow. I think he did a good job. His OL didn't give him much help at all -- The Miami defence was in his face all night. He stayed composed and guided them to a win.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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tampatom's picture

I think the defense was too aggressive and was out of position because of all the misdirection that O State did and they did not have much film on that, that is why the new guys were out of position. I do think Whent is not very fast to be one of leaders at safety, would hope they look at other options.

Burrow looked good, but he is a game manager, like JT was, and is very smart, so the audibles were great, he will not make many mistakes..Good luck but love where the bucks are with our offense!!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I think the defense was too aggressive and was out of position because of all the misdirection that O State did and they did not have much film on that,

Maybe they need to rewatch the game tape from Kinnick Stadium last year. It's been a recurring problem for OSU's defense since Fickell left.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Huskerbuck's picture

Today is the day. WELCOME BACK URBAN! Our apologies for the unreasonable way our "politically correct" driven president and too many of our BoT addressed the situation.  

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Nutinpa's picture

Agree!!  

Eh, now Urban.  Okay, here we go:

1.  Leave the Offense alone

2.  Get with Schiano, Davis and Grinch and fix the Defense. 

3.  Decide on your KR and PRs.

4. You didn't forget already, did you? See # 1.

Lather.  Rinse.  Repeat.    And, yes, welcome back!   Oh, now doggone it,  please see # 1 -- I am not going to tell you again!  LOL. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

3. Just fix the damn punt return team.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Didn’t McCall have a nice return?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

He did - 26 yards.  Saunders had one for 5 yds, and had a DB run into him on his other potential return.  There were three more punts that had no return.  It just felt like more of the same.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

McCall is the answer. He looks confident catching it and brings excitement to the return again. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

You should actually read the report (and if you did, take the scarlet glasses off).  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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JarheadBuck's picture

Somebody help an old Ludite out.  I understand what a tweet is and a retweet seems fairly obvious.  My question is "what the hell is a sub-tweet (relative to the other 2 kinds)?"

And if you don't help me out...then you damn kids get the hell off my lawn!!

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Somebody help an old Ludite out.

If you're a true Neo-Luddite like myself, you don't care about any of that social media cacophony, Jarhead. ;-)

Go Bucks.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Subtweet: a tweet where your "real" topic is only alluded to and not mentioned directly. The notion that Thomas was subtweeting JT assumes that his tweet was a veiled criticism of a particular person and not a general observation.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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KCAlum's picture

Im not sure Micbael Thomas' tweet is all that much of a slam. It's not like he said "unlike his predecessor" or "finally" or somethhing that called out JT.  Sure people can infer, but do you have to stay quiet about possibly the best qb arm/accuracy guy in OSU history?

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Steelydan54's picture

Thomas was CLEARLY referring to Drew Brees in that subtweet!

Steelybuck54

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Ohio State: 1-0
Michigan: 0-1

There's no better way to start a season!

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burger1124's picture

I've got no problem with what Thomas said. WRs are about the only group of Buckeyes who played during JT's tenure who have a legitimate gripe with the way the guy played. Thomas showed many of us OSU fans flashes of brilliance--he's one of the very few guys I accurately said would blow up at the next level--but man, what a career he could've had here with a more pro-style QB.

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