He's a MAN, he's 54. He's also a millionaire. I think he can handle himself.
High and tight boo boo
Thanks for the info!
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!
Yeah, but he's 40, not 54.
Actually I think Gundy is 50 now...
Just keep winning!
Yeah, but is he still a man?
I don't know from personal experience, but he has one helluva mullet!
Definitely a man mullet.
Spineless, political people like Drake struggle with people like Meyer who are independent and at a celebrity level. They don't want to have the light on them but they also cannot stand when the light is on someone in their organization, good or bad. The good means the other person gets the adoration, the bad means they eventually have to become visible.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
You greatly underestimate incompetence, and at what levels it thrives.
It certainly has thrived in the role of AD for many years.
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
Yet if Urban had followed that "incompetent" AD's advice in 2015 (fired Zach) or 2018 (media days - what to say), Ohio State wouldn't be in this position.
Yea. He’s so bad! I heard he likes Dijon Mustard.
I can’t tell you how many times I’ll start a sentence at work with something like “I’m sure it’s spelled out clearly in the 3year/master/succession plan...” and role stop in their tracks. Very few people are prepared for anything past the next step. And I’d that step doesn’t go exactly as planned, everyone freezes.
So much of this is entirely self inflicted.
OSU can't stand behind Meyer right now because, whatever is true or not the current narrative is that Meyer supported an "alleged" DV abuser. As long as a large number of people believe that and the media continues to push it, the University can't back him completely because it will tarnish the whole brand.
If they had done their job and put out ALL information that 100% proves all of the things about Urban that were lies, were actually lies, then none of this would still be going on. They either don't have definitive proof that's strong enough to publicly share and sway opinion, or there's still a lot of gray area to work through.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
The university won't victim shame, alleged or not. I guarantee there is a ton more investigative evidence that supports that no one corroborates Courtney Smith's story and further discredits her. But they will not publish that. It will be seen as victim shaming, and they won't do it. They just won't. Like it or not. Not for Meyer. Not for anyone.
Agreed, the University was put in a no-win situation. Since there was a little smoke, in today's social environment, they have to assume there is fire, regardless. The talking heads jumped all over OSU for not mentioning CS's name. However, I believe it to be more of a calculated move, rather than callous.
That's why the only hope is if Courtney IS lying for the courts to expose it (since that is, you know, their job). Not even ESPN has much of a leg to stand on if it is proven in a court of law that Courtney straight up lied through her teeth about her DV claims. Now whether or not that is the truth remains to be seen but I wouldn't be shocked if it is proven, that the school administration's support for Meyer will return. And ESPN will run a hypocritical OTL piece about the sin of jumping to conclusions JUST like they did in the Duke Lacrosse case once it was proven that those kids were innocent.
But then the narrative switches to, "But it was a court in a suburb of Columbus. They're covering it up!" It's a no-win situation...even if she is discredited. Hell, even if the narrative doesn't change to what I said, it's not like you're going to get a bunch of apologies from the national media ninnies who wanted nothing less than Urban's head on a platter.
"Everything you see on the internet is true." - Abraham Lincoln
So why should we care about they think then? Think of the media as a bunch of annoying fire ants at this point that are meant to be stomped on (which will kill a few of them but never completely get rid of them). Just because they think Buckeye Nation and all those associated with OSU should put on our sackcloth and ashes and showcase absolute shame for the rest of our days for daring to look forward to this upcoming season and not standing by CS and her suffering instead doesn't mean we have to do it.
The Smiths are a clearly dysfunctional family that have chosen to air their dirty laundry in public (well, Courtney has) and as a result they've made their problems pretty much the problems of every single person in Columbus, OH now. The entire city is taking heat now because of this and the best we can do is rise up against it, not cower. If they're angry about us not supporting CS well the reality in my case is I would wholeheartedly support CS if I felt like she was a more credible witness. The fact is no one has corroborated her claims including her own mother (aside from McMurphy who's only known her for a couple months) who has said she is lying and now holes have begun to surface in her story since the Dispatch article came out two days ago about an OSU lawyer allegedly speaking to her in 2015 (which she quickly disputed). The media is not our God period. What they think does NOT matter and it doesn't have the power to bring death to the OSU football program over conjecture like some people think it does.
I never said we should care about what they think. Couldn't care less actually. What I'm saying is the narrative won't change beyond that DV was covered up even though it has already been proven not to be. To think differently is pretty naive and there are TONS of people online who constantly say, "Hey @brettmcmurphy, what do you have to say now about this new information that shows your story was invalid!" and hear literally nothing from it. Now, you can definitely scream, "Fuck 'em all! We don't care about them!" Nothing wrong with that, but, again, that's not the point. It's a point that no matter what happens moving forward, the narrative won't change to the correct narrative and you won't hear an apology when they're proven wrong. You'll still have media who will cling to this when they bring it back up in a couple years in a nonchalant kind of way and fans from other programs who don't give a shit about facts. So why get all worked up in hopes that she's going to be discredited in a courtroom? It's not changing shit for us fans, Urban Meyer, the football team, or the university.
The media will only care about this as long as people keep reminding them of it. The PSU scandal (which was a much more genuine lack of institutional control than this) is all but dead to them now but they were screaming about it to the high heavens when it first broke. The only thing that has caused them to go on the attack against PSU post-Paterno is whenever it is made public that PSU plans on honoring Paterno at games (which they really shouldn't be doing anyways). Eventually they will shut up about it, especially when it becomes clear they can't derail the OSU football program over it. It's just going to be completely hammered away at right now because people like Meyer and ZS keep addressing it on social media (where the world's assholes have the biggest voice).
"Because I couldn't go for three"
Who's the victim?? Even after all this bullshit I still can't figure it out.
The Smith children are.
Absolutely agree. You have to be so careful nowadays not to make comments that could be construed negatively with regard to the alleged victim. We will never hear all of the evidence or know the true story. Go Bucks
However, its ok to jump on the accused without proper evidence. To mislead. be deceptive, insinuate, and lie by omission to sale the narrative. Guilty even when proven innocent.
You win with people.
I agree with you Knarcisi
I also get the impression that tOSU wants this whole fiasco out of the daily news cycle and now that the season has started they don't want to do anything to add fuel to the fire.
With 75% of the media the message will just get shouted over any way and there's no changing most people's minds this late in the story any way
This. sometimes you-in this case-tOSU-have to be the bigger person. A world renowned multi-billion dollar institution vs. a single crazy divorcee, who, even if nuts, vindictive, and throwing blame in entirely the wrong direction-Urban-probably did have some kind of physical encounter, even if she helped initiate it. Not a good look for tOSU to throw it's weight around in this instance-it's like a chicken pecking and clawing at an elephant's foot
I hope that is the reason...but wow they sure seemed to cower from the beginning.
They certainly could not have botched it more. Had they called out the false reports right away after the investigation, and reinstated Meyer immediately, (as that shows confidence and decisiveness,) the vultures in the media would be forced to dip into areas they don't want to (the truth;) and this whole thing would probably be dead by now.
Instead, it appears OSU tried to play the PR game and say sorry, instead of sticking up for itself. I guess it deserves having the media crap all over it.
Notice how strongly the MSU president stood behind Dantonio and Izzo? Why can't Drake come out, as the report showed and say "Some mistakes in personnel judgement were made, they were ultimately addressed but Coach Meyer is our guy and there was no finding that he was an enabler of domestic abuse and he did not lie. End of story. Move on." Reason he cannot do that is because he wants Meyer gone but he does not want to be seen as the one who got rid of a very popular coach with no clear reason to do it other than playing to the PC masses and national media. No player got punched, nobody lied to the NCAA, and nobody enabled domestic violence per the investigation by the university nor by the police.
BS. F the "narrative" and tell the rest of the country and the media to "go pound sand." Like the whole brand isn't already tarnished in their minds - we are not going to change that - no matter what? So stand behind UFM. The pc crowd hates winners and they especially hate football. Fake News is alive and well - has been for a long time.
Winning solves everything, I know that seems like a stupid and obvious thing to say at this point, but if Meyer comes out and wins a B1G Ten title this year, no one is going to care, and all will be forgiven. Drake is going to be a pariah for his involvement with the fan base.
Win, let the media say what they want, who cares. let's just go.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Agreed. I think a big part of the problem here is that while Meyer is suspended he has virtually nothing TO think about or dwell on other than this travesty. Once he's back with the team on Sunday coaching them through practice that's going to change and we'll likely see fewer responses from him in regards to this (I would expect very short responses to any media questions about it as well).
Or they knew that the best strategy at this point is to let it blow over and have the story fade from the news. Meyer's statement is red meat for OSU fans, but it will change the opinion of no one - people who support him already do, and people who hate him aren't going to read a Twitter statement and be like "oh wow, hadn't thought of that". But it made headlines and kept the story alive for another week.
this is a weird form of nihilism, where nothing anyone does matters because everyone's mind is made up.
I think you're underestimating the squishy center.
I think the squishy center doesn't care all that much and will generally just move on (or hate him based on football reasons). I just don't see many people doing a bunch of mental calculations and tallying up evidence for or against him and then deciding what they think.
In this, like politics and much of life now, there is no "squishy center" anymore. With regard to Urban Meyer, if there is a squishy center, it's comprised of non-college football fans who either don't know or don't care or if they do care will automatically take the side opposed to Urban. Facts really are important. But when they get in the way of one's opinion or what they want to believe, they are easily ignored. As is typical, facts also often get in the way of a good story. We Ohio State fans, who have a strong interest in supporting and defending Urban Meyer, are deep into the facts of this story. To those on the other side, the facts never mattered. Same for the squishy center.
“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman
This has the smell of "proxy fight" written all over it. People used to joke OSU is a Football Stadium with a School attached; now it's a Hospital and Research Institution with a School attached.
There's a tranche of Bitter Nerds and Critical Theory types who hate athletics, particularly football, because (to them) it represents everything wrong with American society. I think this is the Nerds Ascendant flexing their muscle a little bit.
That's completely speculative, but I have seen the physical revulsion manifest itself in these people when you say "football".
That theory would pass as believable since the Trustee who threw everyone under the bus is a big time nerd.
Yes, there are a lot of OSU faculty that probably despise college football at that level.
I like your use of tranche in the same sentence of calling out nerds.
So they're fighting it out in the tranches?
I only know the Bitter Nerds so well because I used to be one.
This is very true. And President Drake is one of these people too. The smug arrogance of these people is unbelievable. I know a handful of them. The "academics" which basically means they read a bunch of theory textbooks, then discuss the books with other academics, and then tell each other how smart they are. Its basically an intellectual circle jerk. They think they are the smartest people on the planet and can't stand to see 1. non "Academics" having success as a result of doing things differently than the aforementioned books (because theory and practice are two completely different things) and 2. Nobody giving a shit about how "smart" they are.
I wish I could upvote the shit out of your statement. Spot on!!
Did you just call Pres. Drake a nerd?
Scarlett & Gray > Blue and Gold
yeah but what's he going to do about it? throw some math symbols at me?
He will open up a half million dollar review of you and then conclude you should have done more
I haven't been on campus as a student since 1997. The revulsion by the elites was there at that time as well and it was physical. Some faculty would literally show a different body language at the mere mention of football. I don't have a way to compare then and now and whether it has become worse as the academic reputation of OSU has gotten better.
Once Saban and Meyer are gone, there will be no more iconic college football coaches. The programs will pretty much run themselves. Ohio State's always going to be top tier. The key will be avoiding a dumb head coach who could drive the Cadillac into a ditch.
I hope those guys tango one last time. Would be great to see this year.
Yeah but there are up and comers and good coaches right now. Those guys are the ones that become great over time. There are always good and great coaches out there and they will end up at top tier schools. Just the way it is.
The programs will pretty much run themselves
Um, what are you smoking? Before Saban came along Bama was no better than a Maryland for 15 years. When he leaves good chance they go back to that if they dont lure Dabo away. Kirby Smart looks the part and if OU makes the playoffs again I think you can add Lincoln Riley to that group.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Yep. After stallings, besides one Franchione season, they weren’t good. The Mike Shula era is my favorite.
Me? I liked Mike "It's Rollin, Baby!" Price's tenure.
Well, Bama had idiots driving the Cadillac into a ditch. Before the 15 years ago period, they were pretty good for a long time.
Ohio State has the cushiest Cadillac in America really, but there are others. Oklahoma, USC, really Texas should be one but they've had a run of bad hires. But even USC with a mediocre coach is still good enough to get a New Year's Bowl, albeit stomped into the ground by the Bucks.
In USC’s defense, they were hammered by the NCAA (over the top IMO) and didn’t recover as well as PSU. If OSU faces those same sanctions, urban isn’t going 12-0 in his first year.
Doesnt excuse missing on Sark or Kiffin, but they did get neutered.
I am not sure what to think about the admin...but one thing is clear...the Ohio State PR team is a disgrace
I am hoping that with all the millions OSU makes on football, they invest a little into the PR dept now. Incompetent.
Agreed. What are they doing with all the money they aren’t paying Urban or Jeans during their suspensions? There’s a HUGE PR opportunity there, yet it’s dead silent.
This has been an issue going all the way back to 2010-2011 with the Tatgate madness. Obviously didnt learn a thing from that fiasco
Longer, even. When we had to endure the 2004 Alamo Bowl game against Oklahoma State. Troy was suspended for taking the $500 handshake, the basketball program was having issues, and we had to endure hours worth of Tirico and ESPN hammering us for how out of control the entire athletic department was. Herbie, who was in the booth, was apparently too busy on his computer house hunting for something in Nashville to add any reasonable commentary. The Buckeyes dominated, but the analysis was an unmitigated dumpster fire.
What is with all the downvotes?
I’m like 70% sure there’s an OSU marketing guy on here. Any post complaining about our atrocious PR gets hit.
Social Justice Trolls man!
Let me get this right OSU is out to product what Brand?
Everybody that ain't us hates us anyway.
I say ignore the "haters" or just tell them all to F#$k off already and lets move on!
It’s reputational, both for the prestige of the university among donors and influential associations, all the way down to how false narratives impact future recruiting and success within the program. It matters, Urban created a situation that had a higher than acceptable potential to turn out like this, and he let Zach hang around long enough to be the source of this type of reputational hit. He failed in that aspect, and we SHOULD expect better.
Zona; UFM addressed the issues he was accused of in his statement today. He was sentenced not for the items he was charged with but for secondary issues that arose in the investigation. That sequence and penalty would never hold water in a court of law. Not saying the items uncovered weren't an issue they clearly were but they should have been addressed separately behind closed doors.
In my opinion OSU choose to address those items on the spot and in the public eye to appease the media lynch mob which was unfair to all parties. Airing out Zach's dirty laundry which had nothing to do with the original purpose of the Investigative Committee was foolish and brought on a landslide of additional negative media attention.
OSU and BoT have themselves to thank if their Brand took/takes a hit. They should have said last week what Urban said today and let the story fade away as the purpose of the DV allegations being properly dealt with had been fully resolved at that point. But oh no.....instead they played right into the media's hands by throwing gasoline on fire with all ZS non-sense being released. And now its not going away any time soon and they've got their own brethren coming back at them in addition to the media. Sadly, now there's no telling where or when this will all be settled and behind us once and for all.
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
Urban linked his career with Zach Smith, and he has no one to blame but himself for that. Saban or Belichick would not have cared if he was a mentor's grandson if it meant risking their own career. Urban was loyal to a fault.
If the OSU Admin can't stand the heat in the kitchen then=
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
My take (and this is all opinion/speculation based on what I've seen):
Drake is already out. The BoT's in charge let him know he won't be the president at some point in the near future, and they're only waiting so it doesn't look like it was because of this whole mess. Drake wanted to fire Urban, facts be damned (like he did with the band director); and he grasped at whatever straws the investigation gave him to hold out all day for the suspension.
I think the leadership of the University is in complete turmoil as a result of all of this. No one is taking clear charge of the situation because Drake knows he doesn't have the support of the BoT (not to mention it doesn't sound like he has any interest in defending Meyer), and no one on the BoT has the position/power to actually take charge (at least as long as Drake is nominally there). So no one really knows what to do and the whole thing is just blowing up as a result.
The only thing that's going to make it get better is time (without revelations from people not named Courtney or Zach Smith), and football games. The heat dies down over the course of the fall, Drake "leaves on his own accord for some new opportunity" by early next year, and HOPEFULLY someone with some cojones and common sense gets put into place.
I don't think there is a plan to push Meyer out in the future; but I do think Meyer is probably jaded by the whole situation and this could impact his own interest in sticking around.
Very well stated. I particularly agree on your points about Drake. He seems to be the type of president that has no interest in any other aspect of the college experience except academics. This would be fine if you were the president of an Ivy league school or a school that only loses money on athletics. At Ohio State and schools like it you have to have the ability to manage the entire enterprise. It doesn't seem he is able to do that. It doesn't mean he is a bad guy just simply someone underqualified for the position he currently has. The university definitely needs to make a change at president because one thing we have surely learned is keeping people around that are underqualified for their job can come back and bite you.
I have read the "Independent Investigation Summary of Findings" multiple times. I get the feeling the investigators did not believe what Urban was telling them. It seems they threw in the "medicine / memory issues" to provide cover for everyone involved in the process. I could be wrong, but, as noted no one from the university is coming to his defense.
If Ohio St. were smart, it would cut ties with Urban Meyer at the end of the season. I don't see any longterm benefits in keeping him around. Also, I'm really shocked that the school didn't utilize Schiano as interim coach. It's a little embarrassing for him that he's the Associate Head Coach and was backed by Meyer during the Tennessee s*** show but wasn't asked to steer the ship when it mattered most. Looks like Tennessee is vindicated in that particular situation. All in all, Meyer needs to go.
Urban is definitely planning his exit strategy with his wife and family now. 100% sure he will NOT coach the remainder of his new contract. He is pissed that Drake tried to fuck him over and fire him. If Urban wins another national championship here, he's done. At this point, he wants to go out on top by holding another trophy. It will give him the perfect opportunity to flip double birds at the media and the university for not supporting & backing him. I'll totally understand. He once said that he didn't like where college football was heading when he left Florida. Being in his position goes beyond managing a program full of 18-22 year olds egos/attitudes, and the stresses of recruiting and game planning. Now he also has to deal with the bureaucratic asshats who are PR disasters thinking they hold sway over board of trustee groups. The media too is obnoxious and I'm sure he wants out of the limelight. Being a college football coach has SO much bullshit involved, it takes A LOT out of you. Now I see why coaches make what they do. The market demand and the endless responsibilities (& ridiculous baby-sitting) that comes with it. 90% sure this year will be his last year here. Absolutely positively no way he will be here until 2022.
Our objective is simple: to make the state of Ohio proud.
Really? 100%? Come on now.
"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"
SO you know for a fact that Drake wanted to fire Meyer? I swear people want to imagine things the way the perceive things. I can't stand Drake so I'll go ahead and assume that he wanted Meyer fired. For the next five years no matter how much the overall results of our athletics improves (which is going to be hard to do), no matter how much stronger the institution becomes, we're going to have to hear how much the black men are failures. How they can't lead their respective department and institution. How they're going to run Urban Meyer off because they don't want our football team to win. We've heard this line of thinking for years already and just when the clamor started to die down, it's back stronger than ever. Let's just remember that this was self-inflicted. Urban did not have to keep this asshole on staff as long as he did. Now we're lamenting the fact that Urban got our program and institution into this mess and the black men can't figure out how to get us out. So many people on here have the simple answer, just get rid of the black men and all will be right in the world. Sometimes fuck ups like this aren't the easiest to explain away and I suspect a lot of that has to do with the way Urban handled a problematic employee accused of domestic violence. No one seems to realize how sensitive an issue that is. And Urban had two chances to deal with the media in the aftermath and he screwed both opportunities up. Urban's lousy employee that he continued to allow to be on his staff. Urban's unacceptable performance at the BigTen media days, Urban's unacceptable press conference on the heels of the BoT meeting equals Urban's problem. He's got a credibility issue out there outside of the OSU bubble. Let's not forget that we have a bubble that we all feel nice and cozy in. Classic case of groupthink around here and assigning blame everywhere except on the beloved coach. Urban has no one to blame but himself. Urban was never going to get fired for mismanaging a staff member for whom he has a personal stake nor was he going to get fired for botching a press conference. Now everybody needs to fucking chill out and quit blaming the black men.
It must be Drake's fault that Urban still has Bill Davis on his staff too. Maybe Gene's.
It has nothing to do with race, and you can take your race-hustling, sit and spin.
Drake is a bad President, period. He has no presence, no social skills, no fundraising ability, and is uncomfortable making executive decisions. FWIW, people gave Karen Holbrook a ton of crap too, which she deserved, and last I checked, she’s not a black man.
The overwhelming majority of the BoT held out for a short suspension and would not entertain firing. That tells me they don't want him gone.
It seems they threw in the "medicine / memory issues" to provide cover for everyone involved in the process. I could be wrong, but, as noted no one from the university is coming to his defense.
If Ohio St. were smart, it would cut ties with Urban Meyer at the end of the season. I don't see any longterm benefits in keeping him around. Also
You're part of the problem. Give one good reason why Ohio State should cut ties with Urban Meyer. You can't use because everyone nationally wants him gone because the only reason they want him gone is because he is a great coach and makes Ohio State great on the field. They are using this situation to try to get him fired because they're jealous and scared of his success on the field, no other reason. Just one reason.
it's a bot - brand new account that's just copying and pasting comments from within the thread.
It has occurred to me that this is a possibility. His large buyout being the chief reason; so rather than firing him and going to court to fight what they might owe him in a settlement on his contract, they just allow him to twist in the wind.
It's possible that this is the case but I think it's more likely (Occam's razor) just complete ineptitude on the part of OSU.
Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye
"squeeze out"??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
Today it was reported that only one trustee wanted more than a 3 game suspensions. All other trustees and the President wanted 3 games or less.
I don’t believe that, though. That guy left 2 hours in. Why did they need 8 more?
I'm getting sick of this narrative by our own fan base. STOP allowing yourself to fall for the delusion of the media frenzy. Every freaking time there's one new piece of info released or one new statement made, people come on here crying "urban is gone after this year", or my favorite, "they're just working on a buyout behind the scenes" etc etc etc. If they wanted him gone he'd have already been gone. And if Urban wanted out, he'd have already left. PLEASE STOP this narrative. It's unhelpful, unfounded, and paranoid. It also makes the absurn assumption that Urban Meyer isn't a grown man that can make his own decisions rather than being "forced out" by some pencil neck behind a podium.
University Administrators are 95% cowards who never stand up for anyone in a controversy. They nearly always side with "the seriousness of the charge" vs. what actually happened. They primarily care for their legacies and how other Administrator's see them. They are always looking to move on to another University and do not have loyalty to the people where they are. They have loyalty to themselves and their insular network of fellow Administrator's. I am 100% surprised Meyer was not fired. He did not deserve to be. It did not matter. These people are usually pretty weak and have next to zero personal courage. they just have a lot of academic credentials, and so they always think they are the smartest people in any room. There is no ethic of brother or sisterhood. Unless you are at a military academy, most of them ever wore boots or stood firm in hard places. Nothing scares them more than negative PR. Cowards. And they do not care that they are cowards. Because they are always the smartest person in the room. I will go back under my rock now. Thanks for reading.
They aren’t cowards because they don’t worship at the alter of the OSU football coach. Most of them may be elitist but they have a buisness to run. They weigh the cost of the charge with the evidence they have with their lawyers and determine what action is needed. To mess around with DV in this day and age is a recipe for disaster. To me it seems like there were some “hazy” moments in all of this.
Come on man. Anyone that still thinks this is about domestic violence either hasn't been paying attention or has a particular agenda they are trying to push.
I don't think they are cowards... they are just being told by every attorney they pay to lay low.. let this run it;s course... it wouldn't be prudent to go out and waive the OSU Urban Meyer PR flag and then two weeks from now find out there's some AWFUL smoking gun that comes up in the Smith trial that makes OSU look bad... OSU and Urban can be 10000000000000000% clean in the DV stuff but if Courtney's attorney suddenly produces evidence that Zach did cross the line it's going to snap back at OSU... MUCH MUCH MUCH better to have that snap back after you have been silent..
Not saying that's going to happen... but OSU is a business.... their attorneys are looking at everything through the "worst case scenario" lens..
Never seen an innocent person hung out to dry like this.
But he's straight up guilty of enabling a bad employee and that's what he was punished for....
that's the problem in this crap show.. People can't seem to separate the DV stuff from the crap employee stuff.
The national perception is ALWAYS going to be you can't pick and choose which parts you enabled Zach... it's either all or nothing... you either enabled him or you didn't... and if you did you get all the BAD that comes with that...
I dont' agree with that... but that's the perception....
As far as OSU....... I have to imagine every high dollar attorney they have has told them KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT until this thing is over.. and it's not "over" until the Smith trial stuff happens/ends...
Well said. He absolutely was punished for the absurdly long leash he gave ZS. And IF there was ANY evidence that he knew of or covered up actual DV, he'd have been gone in a heartbeat and probably deservedly so. Problem is "Urban Meyer suspended for not firing ZS sooner" isn't nearly as strong a headline as "Urban Meyer was suspended for enabling the abuse of an innocent woman by a coach and then covering it up like the slimeball he is". And of course the lemmings will eat those headlines right up and never look back. Nor will they ever admit they were wrong to do so.
Urban's loyalty to Earle Bruce came back to haunt him. He didn't want to fire Zach Smith outright.
But Zach Smith was already being nudged out the door. He was the lowest-paid assistant coach after 6 years, yet Ryan Day was given a raise to $1 million after 1 year. That should have been a clear message, but it wasn't enough I guess.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
PsyBuck u are on it today! Liked the comments! <3
Go Buckeyes! #TeamUrban..
You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. Urban Frank Meyer
Could it be incompetence sure, but I think it is the subject matter. Domestic violence is a hot button issue. While Meyer could be totally innocent defending him would make them sound like they are defending what many believe happened (domestic violence by Zach Smith). I am not saying this is right, by you can see how this situation has been reported by the media, that is how it would be reported as well.
Meyer’s sin p, as it were, was being excessively loyal to an increasingly inappropriate and incomoetent assistant coach.
That coach was the grandson of huge legacy, however.
Meyer is the best coach in college footbal, save for Saban. I think that point is unassailable. It puts a gloss on things.
I dont think the labor marketplace will be negative, not at all. If Meyer is no longer wanted at the end of this year, do you really think that LSU would not do virtually anything to get him? Darn right they will, and you know he would win there like he has at his past two stops. There is a leadership void at OSU, and that will have consequences.
Great CEO’s are hard to find. This might be proven by example here.
I don’t think OSU is trying to push out Meyer. I do believe that there are those who could see Day being the possible next coach when Meyer retires on his own terms. There’s a reason they paid Day so much money to stay, and there’s a reason he decided to stay instead of taking a Power 5 head coaching or a NFL coordinator position. The decision to pay Day occurred before the Zach Smith fiasco. Also, knowing now what we know about Tom Herman, he was never coming back to OSU, even if the Texas job never came open.
If the board had an ounce of spine, they would rehire Gee as President, hire Tressel as AD, and publicly state they support their coach 100%. Not a twitter statement or Facebook post. Now that would show some serious fortitude and give the media the bird.
This elite academic shit has been going on since the administration continually butted heads with Woody Hayes, then with Earle Bruce. Rick Bay resigned in protest over the Bruce firing. It doesn't have to be academics vs. atheletics, stand as one proud university!
"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."
the national media outlets only chose one side of the story and stuck with it Finebum should be worried about a slander suit when all the dust settles...even worst I had to sit through Jim Rome go on and on about us Ohioans having no class...sitting here outside the state of Ohio it was interesting to sit back as these idiots who doesn’t have a full grasp of the case but were quick to point fingers and blame without a single fact....sounds like one of our political parties....you know who that is!!!!
I personally think Urban should not just sit back and defend himself against false allegations.
If anything he should go on the offensive. Sue Brett McMurphy for exaggerated lies that were covered up, and sue Tom Herman and his wife for meddling in OSU affairs to the tune of $10,000. Refuse any interview from any outlet that propagates a false narrative. I'm sure ESPN wouldn't like it if FS1 gets exclusive interviews. Stand your ground, coach!
As for us fans, be sure to show Urban that you still support him (if you do, as I do). Send him a friendly tweet. Show up to the Tulane game en masse. Keep it clean, but put the media on notice that we won't tolerate slander against a good man, coach, husband, father and grandfather who cares deeply about doing things the right way.
As for President Drake ... he needs to take a big step back and realize that his actions have created outrage in the largest CFB fanbase in the country and the entire state of Ohio. He should realize that Ohio State football is one of the university's greatest assets and donates millions of dollars to the general fund. He should realize that he has one of the two best coaches in CFB. Urban runs a clean program that has been bolstered academically, handled discipline appropriately and is helping young men in careers beyond football.