Courtney Smith Denies Report That She Told Powell Police In 2015 That Ohio State Convinced Her To Drop Charge Against Zach Smith

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Buckeye1996's picture

My goodness. This won't go away.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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311 buckeye's picture

Where’s that bridge? 

Do I have to put something down here?

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Major H's picture

Way back in my rearview mirror! 

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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KYBuck's picture

I'm afraid you're right. It's the 'gift' that keeps on giving.

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brutus0717's picture

Yep, just like herpes.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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stpetebuck's picture

I’m voting now for a new 11w menu item:

Football

Basketball

Recruiting

Forum

Store

Drama

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Unky Buck's picture

The funny thing is that Drama would get the most page views. Yeah, quite a few would stay out of it but soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many just can't look away and would just keep going back to it.

"Everything you see on the internet is true." - Abraham Lincoln

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CALPOPPY's picture

...but soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many just can't look away and would just keep going back to it.

I cannot BELIEVE that you make this statement! This is the mostest dumb thing I have read here on 11W! 

Imma start a new thread about how dumb your comment is and how it relates to other dumb comments by McMurphipoopstain and other blah-blah-heads. 

PAY ATTENTION TO ME AND MY OPINION!

Memento mori

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chris's picture

mods really don't like posters here

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Unky Buck's picture

I cannot BELIEVE that you make this statement! This is the mostest dumb thing I have read here on 11W! 

Not overly surprising. I'm full of statements that could be considered the mostest dumbest thing ever typed. But after you create your thread, I'm going to my thread for how dumb you are for not agreeing with every word I typed, you thread vagabond!

"Everything you see on the internet is true." - Abraham Lincoln

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stpetebuck's picture

I dunno , I think clicking on “Football” and seeing Zach makes it irresistible. But making an effort to click “Drama” would be just hard enough to keep many away. 

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CreekBuck's picture

It's the train wreck you slow down to look at.

You win with people.

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thedewman10's picture

Instead of DRAMA, add DICKHEADS

Pawl Fartripper and Brent McCantTrustMe would be the inaugural first pics. My guess is they would be lifelong additions

TheDewMan10

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buckeyeinWI's picture

they are still a number of 'blood thirsty' people out there, and the only thing that will satisfy them is Meyer's head on a platter...

sad...

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

And somewhere in a dark office with a chalkboard of insane... I mean inspirational quotes... and a tall glass of warm milk, Jim Hairball’s master plan to beat tOSU has come to take shape. He’s running the old “hook and ladder then send anaonymous junk mail to the newspaper” play!

touche jimmy. Touché. 

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

I just want someone to take him to court so hard. Never have I wanted a journalist to lose everything so bad.... it’s going to be hard tweeting with his next job begging for change on a dark street corner keeping him busy. 

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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terryin20878's picture

Take him to court?  Unfortunately, I think everything he wrote is true.  Each accusation basically started with, “Courtney Smith told me...”. I have no doubt that is true.  Whether her claims are true is another matter.  It’s just not his “matter”.

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wigmon's picture

I agree its a high standard and you are correct if he prefaces everything "CS told me".  The area he could get into trouble is, even if she told him things that he reported, if he knew they were false and used them to cause undue harm, then he could still be held liable in some regard.  All depends what the real damages are. 

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

Exactly, he’s way to deep into this story. It’s making his career, so let’s just see if he gets desperate and slips up. All it would take is for him to release one White House dick pic, or how he got Zach’s amazon account history illegally. 

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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maximumblitz's picture

Ms Smith is now calling the Powell Police liars

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Ball is in your court, Powell Police.

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DibbleDabble's picture

I've had enough.

Call it victim shaming, I don't care.

Courtney "bat shit crazy" Smith is a liar and a fraud.  She needs help for her drinking and temper as much as Zach needs help. 

She has now lost ALL credibility.  She has zero, none, zip. 

If it looks like a duck, flies like a duck, and sounds like a duck... guess what,.. it's a fucking duck. 

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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shiloh's picture

Pretty soon CS is gonna lose her last friend Michelle Herman! :o Hopefully by now she realizes McLiar threw her out there like a rented mule. :-P

Indeed, sometimes wanting the spotlight isn't all it's cracked up to be. In the final analysis she's the biggest loser.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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MightyMac63's picture

That credibility of CS was lost when she appeared for that interview on Stadium Watch. When she was asked the question about not going to Urban directly. And what was her response? "I didn't want Zach to be fired." 

"Just remember one thing. I can do your job, but you can't do mine." - Woody Hayes to an OSU professor

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chris's picture

well, it doesn't swim like a duck... she is far too wasted for that.

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C-Deck's picture

When I was a kid we would say, “takes one to know one.” 

"Hit them hard and see how they fall"

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Knite's picture

OMG  she sure does love the attention doesn't she...…  I can not believe I am saying this but my god...… I do not believe a thing that woman says anymore......seems everytime things get a little quieter, she opens up her mouth to grab attention to herself. A player died at Maryland and still all attention on OSU. Now she wants to take on the police department...…..  my god  make it stop...…….

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Chicago Connection's picture

That's one way to look at it, Knight. Personally, I don't think we've seen nearly enough of Courtney Smith,  because she exposes herself (and undermines her credibility) with each wacko appearance.

If there's any truth to Karma, I've gotta hunch that within the next year or so, Courtney, McMurphy and/or Slimebaum are going to be caught up in some sort of embarrassing and compromising story.

chicagobuckeye

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booj's picture

if her credibility falls far enough (and that stock is currently plummeting among anyone who cares to look) it won't be long til she tells every sordid little detail of how McMurphy coached, coaxed, and massaged this story to suit his agenda.

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bucksfan4life's picture

This title though. Clickbait or nah.

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brutus0717's picture

Per that last paragraph? Maybe. But you (and I and probably 1,000 other people) read it. Can't wait to find out what the Chief meant by his statement to the Dispatch.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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avail31678's picture

The headline was altered a little bit ago.

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brutus0717's picture

And now it's only on the Football page, not the Home page of 11W. I'm curious why that is. 

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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bucksfan4life's picture

I'm sure because nothing new is in this report.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Can we just ship them both to the state up north and move on?

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blu.fan's picture

I think they fit better in Columbus. Especially Zach. Blood lines and all. Keep it all in the family. 

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brutus0717's picture

Boooooo lol

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

If I had caught this sooner, I would've upvoted your comment.  It actually made me smile.  Could one.  Unfortunately, I think we are all so pissed off by how the national media has carried her water for her that we've lost our sense of humor.  

So hat tip to Blu.fan.  And if you know me, its extremely hard for me to say anything positive about any weasel.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte
 

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Only wolverines have brought this amount of shame to Columbus, so I think they fit in better there.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Frivolous lawsuit filed in 3.....2.......

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buckslan's picture

The last paragraph kind of says it all. This better be over come mid September (or whenever that court date is suppose to be)

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CarolinaBuck's picture

Wait until Urban's first game back. What do you think every question from a reporter or commentator will be about?

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teddyballgame's picture

I mean, if they want to get a quote and write something for their employer it will have to be football related.  You're pretty dumb if you waste your question on something that is guaranteed to receive no comment.

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CarolinaBuck's picture

They're not expecting an answer. They want to get his reaction on film or tape and that becomes the story.

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teddyballgame's picture

I think he'll be able to handle it.   It's not hard to say "I'm here to discuss football, next question"

Saban and Belichick have it down to a science.

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booj's picture

I don't. He's botched his last two public appearances.

"No Comment" needs to become a regular staple in his presser vocabulary.

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DibbleDabble's picture

Wrong.  You mean Ohio State botched his last two public appearances.  

Horrible PR, horrible game plan, horrible conclusions, horrible punishment, horrible advice.

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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booj's picture

he's responsible for his own conduct at these pressers. it's easy to blame [unnamed communications staffer] but he had literally all day to come up with a compelling response to "do you have anything to say to courtney?"--the one question everyone in the room knew would be asked

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wigmon's picture

Yes, it wasn't a great answer, but just assuming for a second that he thinks she hasn't been honest and straight forward in all this and while he thinks Zach did plenty of bad things and probably deserved to be fired, isn't an abuser, what should he have said?  No comment looks worse than what he said in my opinion.

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booj's picture

Plenty of options. He could have skirted with generalities "Let me say that victims of domestic abuse everywhere are people in need of protection from all facets of society. We should all be there with a helping hand. We as a university strive to uphold that obligation, and if we've failed, we will endeavor to be better"

Or he could have fallen back on his personal relationship. "What I have to say to Courtney is between me and Courtney. Please respect that."

Or he could have spoken directly. "I did not believe Courtney Smith in 2015. I do not believe her today. I can assure you that my judgments were not made flippantly or in reflexive deference to my coach, but on the merits of the accusation--some of the facts of which are public and some of which are not. We're here today because my response to the accusations was inadequate, not my discernment. I have learned from these last few weeks and I can say confidently that I am ready to believe true victims of domestic assault and the Ohio State football program and I are eager to provide all the assistance and solace that we can to those bravely coming forward."

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CincyBuck's picture

Bingo.  It was a choose-your-own-adventure of waaaaaaaaaaay better responses to a question that everyone knew would be asked.  I'd go with the generalities.  But Jesus, man, have something prepared either way.

I also thought Drake and Gene were far from stellar at the presser.  But marginally better.  Seriously...  how does OSU botch PR issues so consistently and frequently?

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wigmon's picture

Certainly could have done any of those.  I doubt the coverage of those responses would have been any different.  Anything short of saying he hid things and protected an abuser were going to be met with the same criticism. 

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah, I share Booj's concern.  One of the downsides of Urban's confidence seems to be that he thinks he can handle anything.  He should have a brief, prepared statement to say at the beginning "I'm happy to be back, out of respect for the investigation and those involved, I will not be commenting on any non-football matters, etc.," and that's it.

Given the last few pressers that OSU has held, I have my doubts how this will play out...

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

He shouldn’t answer a damn question that isn’t about football.  If they can’t ask a question about football, presser over.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

In his opening remarks he should say, "The first question that isn't about this team or this game will end the press conference."

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte
 

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Buckeye1996's picture

Interesting how OSU is now being directly connected to this via the contact. If true then very bad. If false then a risky double down.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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Buckeyebull64's picture

A name is the key. If she gave the name of this mystery lawyer, it’ll be pretty cut and dry. Either he did or didn’t. Without a name though, it’s a nebulous accusation that devolves into she said/osu said. Enough for the haters and the media to chew on, not anything more

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Barfolomew's picture

I'm confused

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Bert has some explaining to do

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Buckeye1996's picture

Yes. Wasn't she included in the investigation and why didn't she mention this while being interviewed? I'm really skeptical but will wait to see.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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avail31678's picture

Yeh - her and Brett have a way of "suddenly remembering" new information as things don't seem to go their way.  Why is this NOW coming out?  

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Because OSU didn’t implicate Meyer so she needs a new route to a lawsuit 

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avail31678's picture

Ding ding ding

EDIT: As someone points out below, she's claimed her own family, Earle Bruce, Meyer's "life coach," and now an OSU lawyer convinced her not to press charges.  Oh and she said in an interview she herself didn't want Zach fired because of money.  Hmmm....

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maximumblitz's picture

She said this a few years ago, evidently in 2015, not now.

The problem with telling lies is that it gets hard to remember all the lies.

If she did not bring this to the attention of the investigative committee, then that is a serious problem.  And I think we can trust the investigative committee that if this was brought to their attention, they would be all over it.

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BornAndBredABuckeye's picture

Maybe she lied to the police in 2015. Interesting.

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Joebobb's picture

And she also lied in 2018 and her attorney also lied (which is not a good look when you go to court in a week). Given her prior public statements about OSU not contacting her and now an OSU attorney (or attorney representing the program) contacting her in 2015 and telling her not to press charges, one is clearly a lie. Which one is it?   Either way, her credibility is compromised as she has backed herself into a corner here.

It is hard to be sympathetic to her as a victim when she speaks out of both ends of her mouth.

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JT Buckeye's picture

It is hard to be sympathetic to her as a victim when she speaks out of both ends of her mouth.

Is she a victim though?

*Sipping the Buckeye Kool-Aid since 1995

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bucks4nuts's picture

Very odd 

and who was the person who sent the files to the dispatch ?

"To The House"

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Elks' comb over's picture

His name is Anonymous Lee according to the article.

Earle’s target practice

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Elks' comb over's picture

I’m so confused as well Barf. Throw this into the matrix as well.

Chris Davey, OSU spokesman, told The Dispatch on Wednesday night the university was unaware of the allegation and would investigate

Pretty sure the university just held an investigation into all of this if I remember correctly.

Earle’s target practice

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Jumar's picture

Facts have no place in an internet debate.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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tcm1968's picture

The "out" for her is going to be to just say the Powell police goofed. She can say she meant Zach's attorneys showed up and said charges would hurt OSU.. which she would have to prove.... or she can just say the Powell police confused 2015 with 2009 since at this point no one seems to have refuted that the attorney showed up and talked her off charges down in Florida...

Fully expect some kind of rebuttal from her tonight/tomorrow.. 

Doesn't make any of that true but it's an easy out and the only proof would be if the Powell police have her on tape..

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BlueBayou's picture

The interesting part is the lawyer revelation is based on comments she made as part of her statement to the Powell PD in 2015.  The lawyer apparently visited for a prior unreported incident.

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Extramedium's picture

But the Powell police say their case file disputes her account.  I wonder if this will be reported by anyone.

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teddyballgame's picture

Yeah, I find it hard to believe she wouldn't have mentioned this at some point during her talks with the investigative team, McMurphy, her lawyer, etc. If I had to guess, she was lying about it in 2015 and decided not to keep going with it anymore when things got serious. This report ultimately harms her credibility

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Findog5's picture

I’m out. Tired of this shit. Bring on football. 

The more you act like a lady the more likely he’ll act like a gentleman. 

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Gmac44135's picture

Courtney first said that her family convinced her not to press charges and now she is saying that an OSU lawyer did so.  Usually when a person changes their story so many times, they are not being truthful. Why wouldn't she state this when the investigation was going on?  Is this another investigation? Give me a freaking break.

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Bucky Buck's picture

Not sure who to believe anymore. The media just won’t let this story end.

Born a Badger, Raised a Buckeye

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Flying Swamp Rat's picture

Geesh. I wonder if they would both agree to settle this on Judge Judy. Just saying...

"Let's Roll", Todd Beamer, Flight 93, 9/11

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D-Day0043's picture

I can’t stand Judge Judy, but I know my man Judge Joe Brown would get to the bottom of it.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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Reuben's picture

TV court only takes the most serious of cases.

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jrunyan's picture

That is hilarious. +1 from me

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Ruby5's picture

Keeping up with the Smith's coming this fall on Bravo following the Kardashians. 

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booj's picture

now with 200% more spite!

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Courtney Smith is making contradictory statements.

If she keeps going she will discredit herself.

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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Dstacify's picture

Then by all means, keep making contradicting statements. That's exactly what the Duke Lacrosse victim did and eventually it blew up in her face. If Courtney is indeed lying about DV the sooner it is exposed to the world, the better. This has gone on long enough.

11 Strong.

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brutus360's picture

You’re so not funny!

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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DonTurner's picture

This could get real ugly if true.    

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Extramedium's picture

She said before that OSU never contacted her.  She also said that her parents convinced her not to press charges in 2015.  I think if OSU sent lawyers to her place to convince her not to press charges, that would have been reported already by our buddy Brett.

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wigmon's picture

The headline should be more in line with "cs claimed in 2015 ...".  Then the article should contain the blurb from the lawyer that states osu has never contacted her client about abuse claims.

isn't it interesting that she never shared this with mcmurphy.  If I was asked to guess why, its because the 2015 claim was false (falsified in a police report) and she probably didn't want that to come out.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Shared with McMurphy?  That explicit and contradictory statement was issued by her attorney!

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Buckeye1996's picture

But of course McMurphy claims it. I am sticking to my other half of my prediction that he will go down in flames.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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wigmon's picture

she also claimed in her mcmurphy interview that osu never contacted her, which is what I was referring to,  I mean the university trying to cover this up would be a much bigger bombshell than  a coach knowing about it but doing nothing (which wasn't the case either).

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wigmon's picture

appropriate change to 11w headline.  thx.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Actually I want to request no more header pics of Zach or Courtney.  Maybe pictures of puppies or something creative?

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Silver Sniper's picture

11W should have called out the contradiction in the body of their article.

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Extramedium's picture

I swear it seems like they are trying to be as misleading as every other sensationalist media outlet 

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Jason Priestas's picture

I assure you that is not the case. We aren't even editorializing with the developments in the saga. In this case, we're simply saying the Dispatch got the 2015 report from Powell and it says this. We're not saying what's in the report is true or untrue. That's an important distinction.

And as soon as McMurphy tweeted out Courtney's denial, we promptly updated the headline and substance of the story.

Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Jason, I agree that the article is written in an unbiased fashion, but I think the rebuttal by McMurphy (aka Courtney’s advocate) should have been added as an update to the story, with no further editing to the headline. The comments will make no sense to anyone seeing this for the first time today.

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Jason Priestas's picture

Jason, I agree that the article is written in an unbiased fashion, but I think the rebuttal by McMurphy (aka Courtney’s advocate) should have been added as an update to the story, with no further editing to the headline. The comments will make no sense to anyone seeing this for the first time today.

Yeah, it's not ideal and it's tough to handle stories like this when the central point is quickly refuted. I will say that 90% of the readers of this site don't even hit the comments, though, so in that sense it's structured fine for the majority of our readers.

TeddyKGB's picture

Not sure if this matters to anyone but the Dispatch edited their article.  It originally said "Boruchowitz wrote that Courtney Smith told him Ohio State sent a lawyer to her Powell home in connection with a previous incident."  It now says "Boruchowitz wrote that Courtney Smith told him Ohio State sent a lawyer to her home in connection with a previous incident."  The location of Powell was edited out without explanation.

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booj's picture

that's...a seemingly inconsequential detail. very strange.

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TeddyKGB's picture

Most likely because it wasn't an OSU attorney and it was in Florida.

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Darnell's picture

If that's the case, why would they keep "Ohio State" in the corrected version?  Makes no sense.

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Jerseyboy7's picture

Ok, so why didn't Courtney tell this story to McMurphy or to the OSU investigators weeks ago!
Something pretty fishy here!

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DonTurner's picture

During this entire ordeal, Mcshitstain has layered allegations.    Kinda like a reverse Jenga game.  As soon as one fire is put out, he lights another.   The guy has some bizarre thought process to do this.   I can only conclude McShitstain must have put a lot of money on the USC in the Cotton Bowl and lost a large sum of money.  We do know for certain- he lost his pride long before that.  Perhaps his significant other left him for an OSU athlete .....who knows. 

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Extramedium's picture

This doesn’t have anything to do with McMurphy.  She told him that her parents convinced her not to press charges.  Now all of the sudden it’s an OSU lawyer?

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Interestingly we don’t know what she said to the OSU investigators.  I’m looking forward to seeing who said what.

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Buckeye boys's picture

At any point do you think mcturd says to him self I might have over done it ? He is fired and pretty much put there name Thru mud and did all this maybe just maybe I should stop . 

Ttun sucks

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Brutus's picture

Nope. He will double down and retweet this as fact. Book it.

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Brutus's picture

I stand corrected.  He didn't retweet it as fact.  Instead he tweeted that the police report lied. Or at least according to CS, the police report lied. 

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

That guy had the hypocritical balls to call Ohio State “bush league” for confirming Tom Herman (aka his source) went with ZS to the strip club.  Still feeling his oats from his detailed article on sex toys despite unsuccessful attempts to sell dick pics.  He will never be honest with himself or anybody.

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DocD48's picture

All I needed to read was the first 5 words of this story to know that i didn't need to waste any more time reading the rest. Why?

We train to fight and we fight to win.

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brutus360's picture

I’m starting to just see who the author is then I bail.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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Crimson's picture

Gary Vest, the chief of Powell Police, told the Dispatch "that the full investigation contains information that would explain or dispute allegations by Courtney Smith."

Huh.

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Elks' comb over's picture

It depends which side you are on.

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tcm1968's picture

but they never did anything which would lead you to believe it disputes.... 

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Extramedium's picture

Explain or dispute seem to be the same thing in this case

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Scarlet_Fire's picture

“The officer wrote down what she said”. Woah.

How did Brett not get the scoop?

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RedhawkCIA's picture

Isn't it obvious?  She didn't text it to the officer.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I think you will find a lot of people do.  The last article on this drama generated over 300 comments.  Ramzy’s article generated less than 100 by comparison. 

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Sheridanclan11's picture

Those who thought this would be over quickly are sadly mistaken. I have seen these types of scandals before and they just drag on and on. Hopefully, the season beginning tomorrow will take some of the heat off but once the media has the bit in their mouth, they generally will not stop until someone is destroyed. 

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Extramedium's picture

Good thing Zach has already been fired.

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longbucks08's picture

Why would Ohio State want to get involved and send a lawyer to her house? This story is so strange.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I’m having a hard time believing it.  Ohio State better respond, this is a claim on them, not on Urban Meyer this time.

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longbucks08's picture

There is just no way that Ohio State would do that. That would open themselves up to a lawsuit so fast, and we all know how risk adverse OSU is.

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Gmac44135's picture

Yes it makes zero sense on Ohio State's part.  I feel this has to be Courtney's biggest blunder to date.  I just want to see how the msm handles this latest nugget lol.  Would not surprise me if the media treats this as gospel just like all of her other allegations.

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Scarlet_Fire's picture

They’ll double down in it and virtue signal so they can all feel morally superior. It’s what they do. 

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah...  it didn't happen.  Either (1) the officer got something wrong in the report (which is entirely possible; I've seen horrifically incorrect things in police reports several times), or (2) she's lying.

No way did this happen and she didn't bring it up during the Committee investigation.  She had an ax to grind, wanted a payday, and, almost certainly, was heavily prepared by her lawyers.  And blaming stuff on people who can't be found (e.g., Earle Bruce) is a good way to create plausibility in the face of no supporting facts.  Absolutely no way this happened. 

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C-Deck's picture

because it would embarrass OSU if she proceeded with the prosecution

This is the greatest sin, “Thou shalt not embarrass The OSU”.

"Hit them hard and see how they fall"

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booj's picture

that they value their reputation above truth and justice is shameful for the university.

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JasonBuck's picture

Dan, found this before you..can I get a shoutout? /s

Really though, why can't we include the fact CS said OSU never contacted her (maybe she just forgot about 2015, highly unlikely), just seems odd she's making all this contradictory statements....

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RedhawkCIA's picture

Seriously.  Why didn't anyone mention that CS's attorney issued a statement on Twitter saying that OSU never contacted her?  I get that it's old news, but it's incredibly relevant to this.

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faux_maestro's picture

Am I mistaken or was the claim from Courtney that OSU never contacted her for this investigation? If so that wouldn't contradict her saying that she was contacted in 2015. Not saying it did happen like this but I feel like I'm missing something here.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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avail31678's picture

Pretty sure she claimed OSU NEVER contacted her.

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faux_maestro's picture

That read to me like OSU didn't contact her as part of this investigation.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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BELLEFONTAINEBUCKEYE's picture

Re-read.....Rinse and Repeat.

IMADELOUSYPICKS

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RedhawkCIA's picture

I believe you are mistaken.  Courtney Smith's lawyer issued a statement through McMurphy saying "... while The Ohio State University has never contacted Ms. Smith to discuss these allegations, she will fully cooperate with the university’s current investigation."

The full details are here:  https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/08/95037/courtney-smiths-attorney-releases-a-statement-that-ohio-state-never-contacted-ms-smith-she-will-fully-cooperate-with

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faux_maestro's picture

Again, to me that reads as she hasn't been contacted as part of this investigation. That doesn't include 2015. A lawyerly reading of a lawyered statement to be sure.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Lawyer’s satement clearly states Ohio State never contacted her about the “allegations,” not investigation.  Lawyers know how to be precise with words.

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faux_maestro's picture

Yes, "these allegations" meaning the stuff in 2018 that started this investigation.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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RedhawkCIA's picture

Can you help me understand how you're getting that?  Here is the full paragraph from her attorney:

As her attorney, I can tell you that Ms. Smith is cautiously optimistic that The Ohio State University’s investigative committee will determine if proper reporting protocol was followed upon learning of the ongoing, abuse allegations against Zach Smith. We believe the University must prioritize the safety and well-being of others above all else. While The Ohio State University has never contacted Ms. Smith to discuss these allegations, she will fully cooperate with the university’s current investigation.

In the same paragraph, the attorney mentions that investigation will determine if proper protocol ..., abuse allegations against Zach Smith.  The next time the allegations [are mentioned is] in the statement 'has never contact[ed] Ms. Smith.'  Am I being dense and missing something obvious?

EDITS in brackets above.

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tcm1968's picture

Lawyer speak to me... ..To me that reads like she hasn't been contacted in 2018 about the allegations in the investigation.... 

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faux_maestro's picture

The part of the quote I'm looking at:
"While The Ohio State University has never contacted Ms. Smith to discuss these allegations"

"These allegations" meaning what happened in 2018 which spawned the investigation. Again, maybe I'm wrong but that seems to leave some wiggle room.

They're all chickens. The rooster has sex with all of them.

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RedhawkCIA's picture

I appreciate the clarification, Faux.

I still don't see it in the context of the paragraph, but maybe I will after sleeping.

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CincyBuck's picture

As another lawyer, I disagree with Faux's interpretation -- though I don't necessarily think it's unreasonable.  Given the phrasing and the use of words like "ongoing," I agree that the "never contacted" refers to an extended period of time during which the allegations were being made (i.e., 2015 and on). 

It's not entirely clear.  But if her lawyer meant for that to refer to only 2018, she's a really, really, really bad lawyer (which is entirely possible, BTW).  That's a pretty important detail to her legal argument (that is, OSU ignored her allegations for years, despite the "several red flags" etc. going on with Zach Smith) -- which isn't to say her argument is good to begin with.  Good luck in court with that one!

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

The investigation was about allegations of what happened in 2015, not 2018.

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RedhawkCIA's picture

She is very clear.  Good catch, FairfaxBuckeye!

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Extramedium's picture

The allegations were about what happened in 2015.  Let’s not make this overly complicated   

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wigmon's picture

Key word is "never".  A lawyer wouldn't use that word if only describing  a current investigation. 

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bucks4nuts's picture

I believe there is another one maybe when she was interviewed by Bert to Stadium early on 

"To The House"

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DCBuckeye33's picture

If OSU cant fully and totally deny this, then it lends some credence to it and the media will pounce. If its true, anyone involved with talking her out of pressing charges if she wanted to should be gone

GO BUCKS

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Arrow55's picture

Exactly....:"anyone involved with talking her out of pressing charges if she wanted to should be gone"

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DCBuckeye33's picture

obviously the big caveat is 'if its true'. From all that is in the report it seems unlikely it is. So much he said she said

GO BUCKS

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Extramedium's picture

She’s completely contradicting herself at this point, yet not even Dan Hope calls her out on it.  OSU can deny it but who would believe it?  The media already has their story.

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nm_buck's picture

courtney said this

courtney said that

never any evidence

never any proof

as long as courtney says it, it must be true

because the seriousness of the allegation outweighs the nature of the evidence

guilty until proven innocent

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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dubjayfootball90's picture

Someone is trying their damndest to bring OSU down. That is just my #hottake

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

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wigmon's picture

I have a different take.  This is something she told cops in 2015, but hasn't reiterated through mcmurphy (claimed she never was contacted by osu), to osu during their investigation (can't  imagine they'd leave the claim out of their report), or to any other outlet.  My guess is, the anonymous release was more to damage her credibility than osu's.  Of course I imagine the media will have a different spin and will conveniently ignore the mcmurphy interview and her lawyers statement.

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Extramedium's picture

She claimed OSU never contacted her.  She also claimed her family convinced her not to press charges.  Now there’s a story that she told police an OSU lawyer told her not to press charges.  That means she is lying.  Someone may have released this info to expose her as a liar, but the media will just report the headline, making it look like OSU tried to bully her into not pressing charges.  Just like 11W did here.

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booj's picture

I still want to go back to the "press charges" idea--it doesn't really exist in this case. Prosecutors were presented with evidence and decided not to go forward, independent of whatever CS wanted. Unless she told the prosecutor she wouldn't testify, her decision not to press charges had nothing to do with why charges weren't filed.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Wigmon, I actually considered if this came from the Zach Smith camp, because the University would be invested in actually contradicting one of her claims this time.  There’s no staying quiet and letting Urban Meyer take the fall for this one.

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tcm1968's picture

Don't pretend to know the truth from the make believe from the utterly ridiculous but I'll say this.... she seems like someone who has planned all of this for a LONG time... not going to be shocked one bit if she has some video or texts that are much worse than what's out there and that will magically appear a few days before the trial...

This isn't ending for a LONG time...  we still have two trials, any appeals and at some point you know his phone stuff is going to leak and on and on and on... 

Sad :(

Most confusing thing is she lays out a pretty good case against Zach on Oct 26th and the Powell police aren't disputing that the report happened or it's contents ( according to the story)... so why didn't the cops do anything? all goes back to there being 3 different reports from this madness and Powell police saying reports clear this up but unwilling to share reports...

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wigmon's picture

she laid out no case, she only made claims.  The simplest explanation is that they didn't believe her claims, The other possible explanation is the entire police department covered up domestic violence for a wr coach.  as I said before, that would be a real story, but no one is pursuing it.  ask yourself why.

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tcm1968's picture

I don't think they covered it up. Still tend to think they probably did something wonky with the paperwork and that's why they don't want anybody looking... But we have a lot of information they didn't have at the time.... she laid out what she said happened.. She told the police in October 2015 that she received death threats from Zach... they seem to have verified that's in the report and they did nothing even two weeks later they did nothing.. I'd be shocked if any police department just blew that off like the Powell police department did without a reason... point being we don't know the reason..

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Brutus's picture

So why didn’t the cops do anything?

Gary Vest, the chief of Powell Police, told the Dispatch "that the full investigation contains information that would explain or dispute allegations by Courtney Smith." Powell Police, however, have declined to release their full investigation report to the public.

(Posted this in the other thread about this article). 

I think there’s only one of two explanations for this. A) The Powell Police Department really botched the investigation or otherwise showed favoritism to ZS/OSU and made it go away or B) they did not find CS credible for any number of reasons and the report states as much but releasing it would embarrass CS, appear to be victim shaming, and possibly dissuade other victims from reporting abuse because they don’t think the PD will take them seriously. Either explanation is possible, but I’m leaning to one over the other at this point.  Going to need some real evidence before changing my opinion.

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Scarlet_Fire's picture

Gonno go with B. And when this story first broke, not that I assumed Urban knew anything, but I did give her the benefit of the doubt and expected there would be some pretty credible evidence of DV by ZS. Time has proven otherwise to me, however. 

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tcm1968's picture

I don't think they covered anything up... probably more like they got a bunch of calls and it just became and eye-roll situation and then 3 years later this whole thing blew up and someone looked at the original paperwork and went... oh crap.. and they realized they didn't document things like they should have and probably made some edits after the fact as well which would explain the different versions...

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

1. Police and prosecutors do NOT cover up domestic violence.  If he ends up killing her, they will look back at prior incidents and you will have to answer.  Plus, treating crime seriously is your job and it’s the right thing to do.

2. Investigatory reports are not subject to disclosure under the sunshine laws so police departments simply will not release them.

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tcm1968's picture

I thought sunshine was a two step deal...???. first part would be because it was a law enforcement matter but then it had to fall under one of these things as well?? Like to be protected and not released it had to be a law enforcement matter plus one of these??

 Step 2... If released,would create a high probability of disclosing any of the following information 

Identity of an uncharged suspect;

Identity of a source or witness to whom confidentiality was reasonably promised;

Specific confidential investigatory techniques or procedures;

Specific investigatory work product; or

Information that would endanger the life or physical safety of law enforcement personnel, a crime victim, a witness, or a confidential information source. 

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Brutus's picture

1. I work in law enforcement. You don’t need to convince me of this (not trying to imply that you were). I only listed  option A in the above in order to present both possible sides of what’s going on. And I did not clearly express which of the two options I think is most accurate because I’m trying to be delicate. But to be extremely clear now, there is no chance in hell that the Powell PD swept this under the rug.  Even if they didn’t investigate this properly, I think that would come to light and they would take the hit and promise to improve. PDs do this all the time.

2. I’m not familiar with what PDs are obligated to disclose or not disclose, at least not in Ohio so this is good to know.  In light of this, I would amend my above comment and say that there are three possible explanations, the third being that the PD just isn’t going to release the report because they don’t have to.

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Ticketmand's picture

Could it be that they are not releasing the report due to ongoing cases in the courts? That would make sense to me. Possibly that is Powell P.D. standard procedure. 

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thatzuhYikes's picture

she is not that smart, if you have not noticed.

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GoBuckswin's picture

I love that the chief's last name is Vest--same nick name as Senator Tressell had for awhile.

 I wish we could just make cs and zs just go away for good. They are both terrible people and both clinging to their last 15 minutes of fame ever. They both need to get a life and shut the F up. 

Bucks fans in Mass

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avail31678's picture

Agreed.  But ironically, they each HAVE a life (their two children), they both just seem to be ignoring that lately.

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FROMTHE18's picture

yeah, we get it, you want this to be true 11w...Has 11w question Courtney's claims? Why hasn't she been investigated just as hard as Zach, Urban, and OSU? Answer: ratings. I have yet to see 11W writers try and see how legit Courtney's claims are. Instead, they continuously publish and try to justify the same crap ESPN and the like are pushing for ratings. She has no proof of anything, the 500K investigation by independent people found that she has no proof of anything, the cops found she has no proof of anything, yet 11W and the like still push her stories. If she has no damn proof aside from some questionable bs Brett McDouche put on Facebook, why the hell is 11W pushing the same crap? 

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Buckeye1996's picture

They are just putting it out there because it is well out there. I don't believe for a second that eleven is on the same page as the big media.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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avail31678's picture

Yeh I interpret this, and similar articles by 11W as just presenting what's already there.  Dispatch ran this, not 11W.  11Wis probably digging around about all this stuff, but they have a lot of readers and a good thing going.  They don't seem to want to run anything unless they're certain of it and don't want to "jump the shark" for clicks.  Just my take, though.

However, as FromThe18 suggests, I would absolutely grab my popcorn to follow any digging on CS.

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Das Hufeisen's picture

Yeah the choice of wording in the headline makes me wonder

AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built

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NHBuckeye's picture

This reeks of desperation.  And it doesn’t even make any sense honestly.   Why would OSU send a lawyer to her house?  They would never do that, there is too much risk involved especially when Compliance was already involved.   What would OSU have to be embarrassed about?   The university is much bigger than Zach Smith and would kick him to the curb in a nanosecond if warranted.   

Fields of Dreams

 

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avail31678's picture

I agree.  If Urban Meyer or Gene Smith or Larry Johnson - someone really valuable like that - were the ones being accused, I could see a cover-up.  I don't see the university going to lengths like this to cover this up for Zach-I don't even go to my recruiting trips-Smith.  They HAD to have learned after Tressel the cover-up is way worse than the initial crime.  Cutting Zach loose if there was really something there would be easy.

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bucks4nuts's picture

Reading it again.. sounds like this wasn’t over the 2015 items ?? I’m just confused 

no matter the time .. why would osu send a lawyer ?

"To The House"

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Hmrivera76's picture

Cut the cord now!!!  Let Urban go and lets move on before it affects recruiting and the team.  No man is bigger than the university!  Urban screwed this up!  

Hector m Rivera

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avail31678's picture

Dude, you realize, even if this is true, that OHIO STATE sent a lawyer, not Urban, right?

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buckeyefan67's picture

his reading comprehension must not be his strong suit.  That and believing in potential  'cry wolf ' tales as the absolute truth .  Naivete' abounds .

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Silverbuck's picture

 if it was true that OSU sent a lawyer, it would be worse than losing Urban, penalties handed down from the NCAA would hurt way worse

Bucked up

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

There’s also the idea of doing right by a man who has done his job with integrity, despite the misguided narrative going on out there.

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

First she says no one from OSU contacted her in 2015, now she says a lawyer did. She can’t keep her lies straight and her story falling apart.  Absolutely NO chance OSU would do something this stupid for Zach Smith

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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wigmon's picture

To be clear, the claims that osu sent a lawyer to her to drop the charges came first.  Its just that the we are hearing about it now. 

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avail31678's picture

Excellent point, and something I missed.

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Elks' comb over's picture

Ok Miss Smith. Can you please point out the lawyer for OSU that showed up to your home in 2015 for us?

Earle’s target practice

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D-Day0043's picture

It was the alien!

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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buckeyefan67's picture

I believe Miss Smith is attempting to " live long and prosper"  but just can't get the hand sign right...

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BeatTTUN's picture

If a 9'0' tall Xenomorph lawyer showed up at my house to ask me questions. I'm remembering that. 

Also check out Spock, he's almost as tall as ALUM. 

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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bd2999's picture

Spock does not seem that tall.

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CowCat's picture

Absolutely NO chance OSU would do something this stupid for Zach Smith

I agree that OSU would never do something like this. I personally knew of a violent incident (not DV) involving an OSU employee. The university simply polices itself in such circumstances, e.g. whether to discipline or fire said employee.

There's no way in hell the university would send a lawyer on its behalf randomly to Powell, Ohio for something that did not occur on university property. The university has no problem whatsoever in firing people for tarnishing its reputation in any way. 

Courtney Smith better have dates, times verifiable names, written evidence, pictures, etc. or this is going to fall back on her big time.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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westy81585's picture

I dunno.... She didn't include a poorly screenshotted text messages with no metadata here.    

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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NHBuckeye's picture

Glad to see CS continues to take the high road.    /s

Fields of Dreams

 

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JasonBuck's picture

Question for Dan Hope, why can't we include in the story that the report was obtained anonymously?  Which is kind of...interesting....to say the least?

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SilverState's picture

Such a flattering picture of Zach you chose.

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Gmac44135's picture

Is Maury still around? I would like to see how well she handles the lie detector test.  I imagine seeing a lot of "The lie detector determined that was a lie."

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D-Day0043's picture

I know Maury was damn good at finding out who that baby daddy is.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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Eph97's picture

Did someone from OSU put a gun to her head mafia style and force her to do anything? Does this woman not have free will and ever accept responsibilty for her own actions?

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BABuckeye's picture

Michelle Herman knows a lot of lawyers and she was CS's BFF. Does Elks have any screenshots of txt strings?

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tampatom's picture

amazing this surfaces after the ZS twitter storm, they are both trailer trash but if this continues the collateral damage will be in recruiting as most good recruits will not want to be part of the drama

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

Maybe the lawyer arrived after following Courtney around in a big black SUV...I"ll bet they were the ones who put hidden cameras all over her house to watch her and her boyfriend. Gene probably has a secret room at the WHAC like in Men in Black, where they watch the cameras to plan their next move./s

The woman needs new medication and a different therapist. 

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tcm1968's picture

I don't pretend to know the answer.. I do know that reporting/headline is misleading..  They make it read like Courtney said that and it was actually pulled from the her attorney's statement.... which reads more like she had not been contacted by the committee... yet.. 

"While The Ohio State University has never contacted Ms. Smith to discuss these allegations, she will fully cooperate with the university’s current investigation.”

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PsyBuck's picture

If anyone still believes this ENTIRE thing wasn't about money for CS in the form of an eventual lawsuit against OSU, and publicity for Bert McAssClown, please consider admitting yourself to a clinic for evaluation. It was a symbiotic relationship between two desparate people determined to not be broke and irrelevant.

It's becoming more and more clear everyday that Courtney Smith has been desperate to paint a narrative that would be favorable for her to pounce on a civil litigation case against one of the largest universities in the world. Bringing down ZS, Urban Meyer, and the football program? Just a means to an end. I happen to think she is beginning to see that narrative fall apart and I suspect we will see a few more hail Mary's before it's finally done. But she's finished. Gonna have to go get herself a job and earn her money.

Good Lord can we please fast forward to the day where the names Zach and Courtney Smith are never spoken again?

"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"

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shiloh's picture

hmm, she got her husband fired so less $$$ for her kids and was responsible for Ohio State spending 50 million on an investigation discovering facts that were already well known to the university. So if Ms can't get her facts straight foolishly tries to sue the university the counter suit could/would/may be brutal.

Talk about not plying your cards right ...

Sorry CS, the cats out of the bag and mega $$$ down the drain so no soup for you!

Think she'd like a do-over? Rhetorical.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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rkylet83's picture

Anyone still think this is going away soon?  First off, is there proof that the Ohio State lawyer went to her house and spoke with her at all...or about that if they did speak?  I’m not seeing anything conclusive from this...kind of reeks of desperation unless there is some actual evidence including video of the conversation or confirmation of meeting.  I’m sure it’ll warrant an investigation of some kind. 

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wigmon's picture

This new revelation would probably explain why police would  have contacted osu in 2015 and how gene and urban found out about it. 

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avail31678's picture

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm confused.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Wigmon you just lost me.  How could Ohio State send a lawyer to talk to her if Gene Smith hadn’t been notified about it yet?  Is this a chicken-egg thing?

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Crimson's picture

CS falsely claimed OSU sent an attorney to have her drop the charges, so Powell Police contacted OSU?

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wigmon's picture

According to the OSU investigation, Powell police contacted OSU about a "situation" ( and it flowed down the chain to Gene and Urban) involving Zach.  Its my understanding that a subject of a domestic violence investigation has some protections while the investigation is ongoing (ie anonymity in case of false accusations) so I don't think the police would be contacting the employer of the accused, unless, the employer is also somehow implicated in the charge.  I had wondered about why Powell police decided to contact OSU over this incident.  It wasn't a tip off call to the head coach, but a call to a compliance office.  Given what was reported in the Dispatch that Courtney claimed OSU sent a lawyer to persuade her, it makes much more sense that the contact Powell police made to OSU was to investigate her claim about the OSU lawyer than contacting Zach's employer to let them know he is being investigated.

Again though, this is just speculation from trying to piece together all the information we are aware of.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Wigmon, the more I think about it, I believe you are right.  It would be absolutely eye-popping to a police officer for a victim to report that a University attorney had talked to her about not pressing charges.  The cop would probably go: wait - who - when!!!   That’s why I find it extremely hard to believe this was just some miscommunication about some years old incident in another state, as Courtney is claiming.  And it makes sense that the police would contact OSU to investigate whether there was any coercion of an alleged victim.  This is serious stuff.

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CincyBuck's picture

That's a good take, Wigmon.  And I think there's absolutely no way that this is true -- i.e., that an attorney representing OSU, whether with or without OSU's knowledge, did this.  More likely than not, CS was lying.  I also think it's entirely possible that ZS asked someone to go and claim they were an OSU lawyer to do this.  Wouldn't put that past him at all.

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CowCat's picture

The truth is in plain sight.

Why would Ohio State stick their necks out for the least-highly-paid assistant on the football team? They wouldn't.

ZS was already being shown the door in a slow way, i.e. "You might look for other opportunities". It wasn't as though he was our secret weapon.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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TarBuck04's picture

...when is this court case again? 

Go Bucks!

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D-Day0043's picture

JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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NHBuckeye's picture

CS needs to provide the name of this lawyer that  OSU supposedly sent.  That will either make it real or classify it as a bullshit lie.   

Is Court TV still a thing?   I’m starting to think I’d actually watch these Smith proceedings if aired.   What a train wreck, one that you can’t turn away from. 

Fields of Dreams

 

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westy81585's picture

Internal thoughts from today:  
 

Zach Smith - I'm gonna make myself look so impossibly crazy that no one could ever look crazier.  

Courtney Smith - Hold my beer.  

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buckslan's picture

Somehow, I think they had many, MANY days like that in their marriage over the years.

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BlueBayou's picture

This one actually looks like 

Anonymous Source - Here is more help.

The report was leaked, so does that mean someone in the police department leaked it or is it possible for Courtney Smith to have this copy of it?

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Findog5's picture

I wonder what Tom and Michelle are feeling?

The more you act like a lady the more likely he’ll act like a gentleman. 

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shiloh's picture

Oops !!!

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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Dstacify's picture

If Michelle is just now finding out about the strip club visits along with the rest of us I imagine good 'ole Tommy H has got some explaining to do.

11 Strong.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

He can afford a nice comfy couch to sleep on.

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Cooper's picture

Lol no reputable lawyer, much less one associated with one of the most powerful universities in America, is going to risk being disbarred over something like this.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Dstacify's picture

Not that I buy this story at all but Mike Nifong would like a word with you.

11 Strong.

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Crumb's picture

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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BlueBayou's picture

The most interesting part of this article to me is the statement below that wasn’t mentioned in the 11W summary

Vest said police had turned the case over to the Delaware County Prosecutor for felony charges. Those were never filed.

So does that mean the police department felt their was enough to charge but that the Delaware County Prosecutor’s office chose not to pursue it?  Didn’t think evidence was strong enough. If anybody has a better understanding how things things work, I would genuinely love the insight as to what goes into that decision.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Police present cases to prosecutors for rulings even when they don’t feel there is enough evidence to charge.

Now, the County Prosecutor only takes felony cases.  It’s always possible the prosecutor says there is no felony, but you can confer with the City Prosecutor for misdemeanor charges.

Of course no misdemeanor charges were filed in 2015 either.

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BlueBayou's picture

Thanks for the info.  So sounds like standard procedure.  Kind of interesting he even mentions it.  Maybe an attempt to get the press to start approaching the procexutors office instead.

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Crumb's picture

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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maximumblitz's picture

It appears that Ms. Smith's lies have finally caught up to her.

Remember that this allegation came back in 2015 but was hidden until now. This is not something new she is saying to be able to file a new lawsuit.

I think we have to be able to trust the "blue ribbon committee of investigators" that if Courtney told them that recently, they would have made it pat of their report.

Ms Smith has finally revealed herself as a liar, a maker of false statement to the police, etc.

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Brutus's picture

For whatever it’s worth, CS also claimed that someone convinced her not to press charges after the 2009 incident at Florida as well. But that time it was supposedly Meyer’s friend, not an attorney from the school.

Not saying she’s lying, but man, she seems to be easily persuaded to not do what would be in the best interests of her and her kids. However, if she has indeed been abused then I don’t think that would necessarily be uncommon.

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Baroclinicity's picture

Someday I'm going to need you to explain August of 2018 to me.  

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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Brutus's picture

Baro, that's easy.  In August 2018 a bunch of people who completely lack credibility said a bunch of different things, most of which could neither be proven or disproven.  Then a bunch of other people formed opinions on these things, dug their heels in, and refused to consider any other explanations. And from all that, Meyer got suspended for three games.

(For the record, I have no problem with Meyer getting suspended. I would include him in the group who lacks credibility right now because many of his actions make no sense: deleting texts, not reporting the 2009 DV incident to Gene Smith, continuing to employ a shitstain of a person despite ample justification to fire. I still think Meyer is generally a good dude, but he has used extremely poor judgement when it comes to ZS and he needed to be called to task for this.)

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booj's picture

I'm genuinely concerned about the deleted texts. I think not reporting the 09 incident and not firing ZS and not recognizing he's a shitstain largely fall under the "he thinks CS was lying through her teeth" umbrella, and failing to believe CS is not a punishable offense.

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wigmon's picture

What deleted texts?  I don't think the investigation came to any conclusion, nor did they say that only having 1 year of texts on his phone was any sort of violation of policy or state record keeping laws.

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Brutus's picture

I think you’re correct. There is no proof of deleted texts. But the implication of him having the discussion about it, whether initiated by Meyer or the other guy, speaks for itself. It’s shady as hell and the BoT thought enough of it to in part base the suspension on it. 

And to Booj’s point, I agree that a lot of what Meyer did or did not do was based on him not believing CS but at some point he just had to admit to himself that ZS was a train wreck and didn’t deserve to be on the staff anymore. He tried counseling in 2009, he helped put ZS in rehab, he changed the rules about coaches going to strip clubs. All this for ZS and yet the guy still would miss recruiting visits. I’ve read that he thought of ZS as family so I understand wanting to help   But I don’t think Meyer deserves that kind of latitude when we’re taking about employing someone at a public institution. Just my opinion. I’ve read persuasive arguments that range everywhere from he should have been fired to he’s done absolutely nothing wrong. 

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LaceyBuckeye's picture

I am just really ready for Saturday! It can't get here soon enough <3

Go Buckeyes! #TeamUrban..

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maximumblitz's picture

Clearly, the entire Ohio State legal time and the entire investigative committee needs to be put on a leave of absence while this is investigated.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

That’s a more reasonable measure than just killing all the lawyers.

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Ticketmand's picture

Looks like CS is straining to do some explaining. New post for McMurphy:

Courtney Smith told me tonight police narrative indicating Ohio State sent lawyer to her home in 2015 about previous incident “convincing her to drop charge cuz it would embarrass OSU" is not accurate. She said she told officer about Zach’s 2009 UF arrest when Meyer sent deFries

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SilverState's picture

Plot twist: Courtney told Brett this story is inaccurate, per Brett's latest tweet.

Can't make this stuff up folks.

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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Crumb's picture

Someone cue up the Benny Hill Theme song! 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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OnPoint's picture

McMurphy is disputing Dispatch’s account. It could all be a doing of an overzealous “journalist” from dispatch.

Nut on top

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

McMurphy did tweet out that she says the police got it wrong, she was referring to 2009.

I have to call BS on that.  How could an officer mistake “Hiram DeFries talked me out of pressing charges in Florida six years ago” for “Ohio State sent an attorney to talk me out of pressing charges because it would be embarrassing for Ohio State?”

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Dstacify's picture

So which one is the truth then? If OSU did send a lawyer in 2015 that's an incredibly stupid move on their part (and it doesn't sound like the type of move the school would make tbh). If CS has her facts mixed up about both incidents my belief is she's lying about all of it dating back to 2009 (aside from Earle speaking to her which was confirmed in the investigation and makes more sense since Earle was family and this is a family matter). If it is true that OSU DID send a lawyer in 2015 to ask Courtney not to press charges against Zach why would Courtney straight up deny that as fact when she'd easily have grounds for a lawsuit against the school on those claims (which is no doubt what she wants)? I think the reality is Courtney has been caught in a lie here. It's the only explanation that makes sense.

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NHBuckeye's picture

The Reddit lawyer:

Fields of Dreams

 

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andretolstoy's picture

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If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I just posted about this above.  No freaking way a police officer gets that confused between two incidents six years apart in completely different states.

i must say, would be nice to have your own personal journalist who will immediately do damage control for you.

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wojodta's picture

You'd think she would have mentioned this earlier, like in her interview. Shady it just happens to come out now after the ZS twitter tirade.

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saintstephen11's picture

$$$$$$

What this was always about. Once ZS lost his job, CS knew that the child support payments would be significantly lowered due to state guidelines. ZS is no longer the cash cow, but OSU has deep pockets.

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Crumb's picture

It's to the point now, that whatever is true, it's just pure crazy. It's insane. All of it. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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Crumb's picture

And there is still 60 Hours till kickoff. Too much time!

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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FitzBuck's picture

And as a reminder, the claim anyone talked to her about dropping charges was pointless because:

Occasionally, in a domestic violence situation between partners or spouses, the victim of an assault decides he or she does not want to press charges any longer. The victim goes to the police or to the local prosecutor and asks for domestic violence assault charges to be dropped. Will the charges be dropped? In most cases, no.

The Prosecutor, Not the Victim, Is in the Driver's Seat Bringing Assault Charges 

Because the victim is not the party who first charged the defendant in the domestic violenceassault, the fact that he or she wants to recant or dismiss the charges often means little to nothing to the prosecutor. The case is brought by the state. The prosecutor is the one who decides whether to move forward in the case against the defendant. So, technically the victim has no power to drop charges against an alleged aggressor because criminal charges in most states are only brought by members of law enforcement bodies.

On public policy grounds alone, many jurisdictions have zero tolerance for domestic violence abuse. Localities subscribe to the logic that abuse will progressively worsen, and often those involved in the abusive situation are not in the best position to ascertain prudent next steps because of financial pressures, temporary reconciliations, or other pressures exerted by aggressors.

http://www.attorneys.com/domestic-violence/can-victims-dismiss-charges-against-the-defendant

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THE SHRUG's picture

So now the Dispatch is not fact checking?  What the F?  How is this even postable?

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bd2999's picture

There is not much to fact check with this story. The contacted the police and they did not say much of anything. I am not sure how you confirm if a University lawyer showed up or not without other witnesses to those events. Seems like a stretch that the University would do something like that at all.

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6wi1sonEs4's picture

The article has been updated. So now it sounds like she was referring to the 2009 incident, where she alleged that Urban sent deFries. This was already alleged and looked into by the independent committee, or should have been. So the Dispatch and/or whatever anonymous source sent it the report were confused, which is apparently why the police chief said things would be made clear with the investigation. Nothing to see here unless the committee glossed over the 2009 incident. 

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Jason Priestas's picture

Correct. Another possibility is that the officer on the scene was confused and wrote down the narrative incorrectly based on what Courtney was telling him.

Brutus's picture

There's another possibility Jason.  CS did in fact report this to the police as noted in the police report. She did not expected it to see the light of day until it was anonymously sent to the Dispatch (or maybe she just forgot she said it).  She realizes that the report contradicts claims that she has previously made through her attorney.  She runs to her de facto spokesperson and has him tweet on her behalf that the police report has it wrong and that's not what she said.

I really hate that I've become someone who is doubting CS because I honestly believe she was in an abusive relationship. If not physically, then emotionally which can be just as damaging. I know a thing or two about police reports and interviewing witnesses. Officers will go over every word with you after the interview is complete to make sure they got it right.  Sure, it's possible that she told the responding officer that she was referring to the 2009 incident and he mistook it for the 2015 incident.  But for that mistake to go unnoticed, that means that the officer didn't bother going over the story again with her. He just jotted stuff down and moved right along.  And it's not uncommon for police to contact a witness again later as he/she is writing a report just to make sure everything is correct.  CS is basically saying that none of this happened.  The officer got it all wrong.  I just find that really hard to believe.

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Jason Priestas's picture

I agree. That she could have said this to the Powell police officer is another possibility.

What Would Troy Smith Do's picture

Jason, you'd be have to be pretty confused to conflate UF and Urban's mentor with OSU sending a lawyer down because it would embarrassed OSU.

Sounds like she lied about at least this particular detail.

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Darnell's picture

Boruchowitz wrote that Courtney Smith told him Ohio State sent a lawyer to her Powell home in connection with a previous incident, “convincing her to drop the charge because it would embarrass OSU if she proceeded with the prosecution.”

The portion of that within quotes seems to be directly quoting the police report.  If she was referring to 2009, why would she mention OSU being embarrassed?  She wouldn’t.  OSU wasn’t part of the story in 2009.  This isn’t the Dispatch being confused, this is CS trying to straighten out her lies.  She has been caught contradicting herself and now claims the police are lying.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

There is just now way the Powell Police Officer would have gotten that confused.  If anything, an Ohio State lawyer pressing a victim not to prosecute was an extraordinary claim that they would pay attention to.

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bd2999's picture

Unless she just said the University or something and it is how the police officer wrote it down. Not saying that is what happened or not but there are other ways.

It is for sure a claim that would have been noted in there. It potentially points to a major conspiracy and would have been more of a firestorm at the time. Or at least would have gotten a fair bit of attention. I am very doubtful that OSU would go to the matt for an assistant coach. Hell, even a head coach.

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Cptnvideo's picture

If it was the 2009 episode, then it would have been "Florida (and not OSU) would be embarrassed.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

So it's safe to say that really, nobody, not even the investigative committee that blew through half a mill, knows what really happened here? Yet McMurphy reports like he knows everything despite probably never even being near any of this BS.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

Wigmon is onto something. Go back read only his/her comments (sorry Wigmon I don’t know who you are). Initially, this will go over the heads of the media for some more temporary pain, but in the longer run will likely prove to be, or the start of, the undoing of CS (and BM). 

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

The police report says she said OSU sent a lawyer to tell her to drop charges about a previous incident because it would “embarrass OSU”.  But the police got this wrong and really it was Hiram DeFries sent by Urban (lol)...and at UF not OSU??? Seems like ALOT for the police to get wrong in their report. I calll BS.  This may be where her story starts to unravel.

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wigmon's picture

I don't buy the "police messed up my statement" claim either.  Her initial claim to McMurphy was that Earl and DeFries(along with parents) talked her out of pressing charges in '09 while in Florida because it would get Zach fired and she'd have no income.  After Zachs mom disputed the claim that Earl ever talked to her, McMurphy edited his account to remove Earl's name.  My best guess is after Zachs mom said it was a lie, he talked to CS and her story changed so he edited his story.   The story to police took down was that a laywer from OSU came to her and told her to drop charges to prevent embarrassment to OSU.   The differences in those two stories aren't minor details.   Defries isn't a lawyer and there is a major difference in the reason to drop charges.   IF she was recounting the '09 saga, why would OSU even be mentioned?

I am not saying we know for certain who doesn't have their story straight, but the simplest/obvious answer is generally the right one. 

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andretolstoy's picture

Some are saying that the Dispatch "anonymous" sources are from the school and this is an effort to drive Urban out. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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OSU2002Grad's picture

I think he has some problems going forward but this report ain’t it. I can’t undersfand the thinking of anyone who would anonymously release this. It’s nothing

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andretolstoy's picture

I'm confused when you say this report ain't it? Which report? The Dispatch? 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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OSU2002Grad's picture

The Dispatch report. The Powell police report. Non issues.

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bucks4nuts's picture

well it was a bad report.. sounds off

"To The House"

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Crumb's picture

Well, since every part of this insane story has hurt someone's credibility, whose does this hurt the most? 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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40 Degrees North's picture

So in her media interviews, it was OSU never contacted her. Yet, in a police report, she says they did.

I would like to see the police report the Dispatch has, if I could ever get on their website. 

If true, the credibility may start to fall faster than the bank account.

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maximumblitz's picture

Could it be that Mr Smith had a copy of the police report and gave it to the DIspatch?  He was going to hold on to it until the hearing?

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bd2999's picture

Not sure it does her much good to give something to them and then deny it. If it fit with things than I doubt she would say a word about it and McMurphy would be screaming from the mountain tops. He had no problem implying a conspiracy against judges.

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booj's picture

wait i missed that one. what judge conspiracy implications?

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bd2999's picture

I should hunt for the tweet but McMurphy said the judge went to Ohio state and gave to the University, the one that downgraded ZS OVI charge. Pretty much put all of that out there that it was self explanatory that they are in on it.

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tcm1968's picture

The interesting part of the update is Powell police won't release the report to ANYONE.. including Courtney's attorney and the only reasons this got out was that someone sent it to the Dispatch anonymously...

I give up...

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tcm1968's picture

This may have been out there but first time I am seeing this..

Vest said police had turned the case over to the Delaware County prosecutor for felony charges. Those were never filed.

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bd2999's picture

What is the downvote here for? At the time the police passed the information to the prosecutors and they did not follow up on it because of the evidence available or quality of evidence.

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Bigmarty's picture

Unless there is Probable Cause, NO ONE, not even an ahole  like ZS can be ARRESTED...It is unconstitutional, Ohio's and America's, to do so!!!!!!!!!  The media and the $500,000 investigation NEVER mention that!!!!!! 

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Chicago Connection's picture

I'm just guessing here, but analyzing the dynamics of this situation, I smell a big-time lawsuit coming from Courtney, no matter how frivolous it might be, and beyond that, I think we'll likely see a boomerang effect where Courtney eventually attacks Brett McMurphy.

Yep, you heard that right. Here's the thing:

At the very least, it seems fair to note that (except for the Powell police) the public never heard a word from Courtney Smith until Zach lost his job, which meant that Courtney lost her personal revenue stream.

Regardless of what anybody thinks about her claims, she's obviously been anything but shy since that time, which is certainly her right, and I might add, it doesn't appear that she was ever shy in the past about contacting the local police or else getting hold of an attorney.

BTW, I'm not saying she was right or wrong for doing so.

I'm merely stating the facts that have been presented to us.

Now, going forward, with every passing day, Courtney will be that much further removed from being in the top income bracket in the richest country in the world (FYI, if you earn $200K, you're in the top 1%) and (sadly for her and her children) she'll be that much closer to bottoming out without a backup plan.

That's a pretty momentous fall.

Even Couttney's most unsympathetic critics would have to admit that such a huge and scary change would have them freaking out, as in, "What m I going to do for money!!!"

At this point, relying on Zach's future income seems like a poor backup plan, therefore, given Courtney's precarious position and prospects, I wouldn't be surprised if we heard her continuing to make as much noise as possible, whether in public and/or in court. 

In fact, I would count on it. I mean, love her or hate her, she's either not afraid to fight, or, as Zach Smith's family would have it, she actually loves to fight.

Either way, the dynamics suggest that a legal battle probably lies ahead as a possible source of income, and as we all know, there is no shortage of lawyers who would be happy to pursue the possibility of hitting it big in the lawsuit lottery.

Now, here's a crazy kicker to this:

If the net result of serving up her story to Brett McMurphy is nothing but grief and empty pockets, don't be surprised at all if she eventually turns on McMurphy and accuses him of lying to her and/or lying about her (and maybe even Zach) for his own self-interest.

In short, don't be surprised if Courtney (if only for spite and anger at her huge financial loss) basically accuses Brett McMurphy of using her, which will leave McMurphy in the rather ironic position of either:

1) simply "taking it" and thereby effectively admitting that he was indeed a liar in this whole affair and never should have been trusted by anybody in the first place,  or

2) counterclaiming the Courtney is lying, in which case, he'd be abusing an already-abused woman. That not only woulndn't be a good look, it would undermine his prior claims against Zach (and by extension, Urban Meyer), all of which rested on the assumption that Courtney is a credible woman and naught but a victim of the lying, self-interested men that populate the sports world.

Far-fetched? Maybe. But I don't think it's unlikely that 1) she'll eventually launch a lawsuit; 2) she might lose the lawsuit; and if that happened, she'd have nothing left to do but blame the people who she thinks helped to impoverish her.

After all, at some point, it will likely occur to Courtney that if she never cooperated with McMurphy, her husband still would have had a shot of eventually landing a job with another program, if only as a recruiter, and those guys are pulling down some big salaries these days.

Granted, Courtney could blame herself for this turn of events, but at least for now, that doesn't seem to be her disposition.

 

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WC Buckeye's picture

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. SPOT ON!!

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Buckeyeguy5555's picture

if she's denying it and blaming the police department for messing-up which year she's talking about. I'm guessing her statement that's written down, would be very distinctive between listing the school she mentions. Its either Ohio State or Florida in the report.

The other question would be what's in the report, why mention "oh yeah back in 2009 in Florida they talked me out of pressing charges." I'd be curious how that line fits in the police report. I'm guessing the flow of her statement might tell us more. 

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Buck68's picture

Legacy of Retaliation

1-both protagonists & their surrogates will continue to 'involve' tOSU in order to 'prove my case' and try to 'leverage my buyout', so to speak.

2-media and true feelers will continue spewing their Diversity of 'whatever i feel at the moment'.

3-many tOSU fans will continue the "I can't stop" and blaming rationalizations, insuring this 'story' plumbs the depths of 'low and lower'.

4-amidst the mountains of steaming garbage, there are a few very informative and reasoning inputs.  But moral authority... is MIA.

5-so far, has any advocate for the children  emerged or been recognized by any governmental agency or adult relative?

6-this is a continuing saga of why anger and retaliation are carcinogens that perpetuate rather than recover from what was a tragedy, to now what is just another fight in the pigsty amongst the beasts.  

7-there are many of us, daily, that "can't" exercise reasonable self-control.  Meaning - won't, be cause what little god, right in his own mind, can be wrong?

8-why are we willing to stir the pot, but cut ourselves off from recognizing, let alone learning... a lesson?  We just keep reaping what we sow... 'earning our wages', so to speak.

9-thus, leaving 'the kids'...by example, to their own devices in trying to make sense of it all, and cope.  What an awful price 'they' pay ... or is it 'we' pay?

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NH-IO's picture

So everything she told the police was true and accurately accounted for in the report.  Except for the one thing that she has publicly indicated through her lawyer that did not happen.  Yeah, that's totally legit.

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JasonBuck's picture

NH, I completely agree with you.  The one thing that makes her look like a lair is the only things that's incorrect, surrreeeee.  The fact that the media is once  again feeding into the narrative, just blows my mind.  Bruce Hooley on 105.7 this morning was literally saying that Brett Mcmurphy "corrected" this Dispatch article, so in effect, he's saying that he's correcting a Police report, that wasn't disputed by the chief of Police for Powell, because the Dispatch article came from the Police report....you can't make this stuff up...

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Earle's picture

I have a headache now.

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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JCM's picture

Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye

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scarletgray's picture

McMurphy could have made a mint if he was writing a made for TV movie instead of an OSU slam piece.

JDK

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GD's picture

This is the second most trending article and was taken off the front page, why?

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I thought it was strange this morning because it was when I went to bed then I couldn’t find it when I woke up.  

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Das Hufeisen's picture

And the thread that preceded the article is gone too. Weird.

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JasonBuck's picture

Das, I posted the story before this article was put out by Dan.  Thought it was odd it was deleted too...

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Can I sign a DNR on this drama?

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aj99's picture

I hope we all like Ryan Day as a coach.  I've said from day 1 that this Hiram crap is disgusting and will take Urban down.  God help us all if it can be proved that Urban sent him...like he sent Hiram a text and said get over to the Smith's and take care of this.  This is definitely a good strategy to take Urban down- I just can't decide who's leading the charge.  Is it Drake and his cronies or is it CS lawyers?

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bd2999's picture

Drake could fire him, not sure he needs a conspiracy. And just reading this, does not seem to indicate anything. Even CS is saying it did not happen.

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aj99's picture

Sure.  Drake could fire Meyer...if he wanted the BOT to turn around fire him the following week.  There's not enough to fire Meyer yet, but soon there will be enough to work out a nice separation agreement.  The BOT doesn't like this crap, and I'm sure some of them are already having second thoughts.

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bd2999's picture

Based on what though. Seems like you are doing a fair bit of speculating. This new report does not change anything. Nearly all of this was known except the claim about OSU. And it is hard to know if that is even true or not. CS is denying it. Even McMurphy is not running with it.

Not saying this is good or anything but this really does not do anything than what has already been known for a while. At least not at the moment. If a lawyer was sent, and this was just not some kind of mix up, and Meyer was attached to that than he is gone but that is a fair bit of ifs.

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Dstacify's picture

Even if the lawyer was sent there's no confirmation that Urban was the one responsible for sending him. IIRC the lawyers at the school don't work for Urban, they work for the administration (so pretty much the people above Urban and Gene). I'm not sure he has the authority to just ask them to put their careers on the line and risk being disbarred over a case like this. If it is confirmed that Hiram is the one that spoke to Courtney about dropping the charges it's a little more damning because he works directly for Urban but his name is not tied to the 2015 incident at all and if it is true why would Courtney be disputing it? I think the reality is Courtney has been less than truthful in quite a few of her claims and the cracks are now starting to show. That's the only explanation here that makes sense.

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bd2999's picture

Likely true. It is a shame the entire investigation cannot be released. There was a reason the prosacuters office did not act on anything that they got.

There are a fair number of moving parts in this story and there always were. I am still not sure this one makes much of a difference. The University will look into it but I doubt they find anything about it one way or another. Or if anybody else looked into it, how would you confirm it anyway. Or why OSU would do this for a coach? They would not.

Even if you go by the report, Meyer was pretty mad at the accusations and other things. It is clear he did not believe the claims against ZS but he also did not seem like he wanted to pull together a cover up to protect him from the police either. That just seems like a bridge too far.

I do not know exactly what happened in 2009, but according to investigators Bruce might have talked to her but that is the only one knowns. She claims the other guy did too and was sent by Meyer but there is not anything to back that claim up that we have seen.

This one is a reach because there would be no way to confirm that it happened anyway, even if it did. I doubt OSU would follow a hush lawyer with a paper trail (not saying there was one). And she is denying that it happened that way. Meaning she was lying, the police misunderstood or some combination of them. Unless the police want to take down OSU too.

At some point, it also seems like either ZS or somebody should just get this thing and release it. It would be the only way to stop this drip crap to keep the story going forever.

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aj99's picture

I agree with what both of you are saying.  I think someone other than media is pushing it this time.  I think that report was leaked to put attention on this question:  "Did Meyer have any involvement in pressuring her to not pursue charges?"  As of now that question canon be answered and that could be a big problem.

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Dstacify's picture

Hiram's name wasn't even directly mentioned in this report. He was tied to the 2009 incident (according to CS) and that didn't even happen at OSU (assuming it happened at all). And CS is flat out denying that this happened in regards to the 2015 incident. This sounds like extremely shoddy reporting on the part of the Dispatch.

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aj99's picture

You're reading a different report then. He is explicitly mentioned in the report.  The 2009 incident will lead to no more Meyer at OSU, if he is linked to that conversation and it only seems like a matter of time.  The 2009 incident was clearly very troubling to the investigative team, but it happened at another school.  

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Dstacify's picture

The investigative team would've confirmed it in their findings if Hiram was directly involved. All they confirmed is that Earle Bruce spoke to Courtney and I highly doubt Earle did that at Urban's request since he's family. Urban's punishment has already been decided by the school, this is nothing more than shoddy reporting by the Dispatch that even CS herself is disputing. If there was any hint of this being true CS WOULDN'T be denying it, she'd be using it as grounds for a lawsuit. Plus, if Urban goes his entire staff goes with him which means we don't get Ryan Day either. Remember Courtney originally pointed the finger at Urban's assistants as well. I honestly think it doesn't come to that.

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aj99's picture

The report explicitly states, "Hiram D likely met with CS". 

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Dstacify's picture

In the 2009 report, NOT the 2015 report. All the 2015 police report allegedly states is that an OSU lawyer convinced Courtney not to press charges against Zach. It doesn't mention Hiram by name at all. And the 2009 claims regarding de Fries are Courtney's claims and nothing more than that. The investigation did NOT turn up anything on de Fries but they did determine that Earle likely met with Courtney in 2009. You have your facts mixed up and are trying to incite a panic for no reason because of these misplaced facts.

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aj99's picture

So sorry.  I was referring to the BOT report. The BOT explicitly states as a finding of fact that Earl met with her.  It also explicitly states that Hiram "likely" met with her.  I got out of context there and didn't realize you were talking about police report.  I'm not trying to incite panic.  What I said was going to happen literally happened while I was typing. A member of the BOT resigned in protest.  

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wigmon's picture

Yep, in 2009.  I don't think he was an OSU lawyer in 2009.

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bd2999's picture

Seems like you are majorly overreacting at the moment. The guy was also mentioned in the text messages. However, they would also need to connect all of that back to Meyer for it to be true. One could suspect, if we were being paranoid, that this could be hidden in Meyer's deleted messages, but I would be skeptical of that. Given he did not have the phone at Florida.

It is possible Meyer still goes down but it is going to take a fair more than this. The initial report with the messages was still the most damning thing that we have seen. And even that did not directly connect.

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aj99's picture

Possibly overreacting.  LOL.  And you're right, it could never be proven.  I think the BOT is going to run out of patience and it's going to go down like it did with Tressel.  I'm holding out hope that the court case reveals most of the truth about the kind of person CS is and we can move on, because we're going to keep getting this dripping of garbage until then.

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

Absolutely no chance you could prove that a.) Hiram De Fries was sent by Urban b.) during the conversation between Fries and Courtney, he convinced her to drop charges.

This is so stupid.  No way Urban would do this protect a grad assistant, I don't care who his grandfather is

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I&#039;m Ron Burgundy's picture

By far the most plausible explanation is in 2015 CS told a white lie to embellish her story to the Powell PD.  And now 3 years later has caught herself in that lie by already publicly stating OSU never contacted her.

Which, it is amazing how easy it is for her to quickly come out and say "oh that's not true" and the media quickly says yep she's right and runs with it how they see fit. And wow just wow on McMurphy using the word "narrative" to describe a police report. LOL, this dude has no shame at this point.  Like the officer writing a DV report in 2015 was trying to set a "narrative" to be closely reviewed in an epic media witch hunt three years later.

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Dstacify's picture

Keep in mind both McAsshole and Finebaum called OSU "petty" for naming Tom Herman in the Florida strip club visit in their investigation. Last I checked the investigation was supposed to turn back FACTS and not omit any information that might possibly be relevant. So now who are the ones advocating for a cover-up ESPN lol? They'll rush to accuse Urban Meyer of every crime in the book over this but reach to protect good old MENSA's name just because facts tied to him were pointed out in the investigation. Finebaum and McMurphy are both coming across as idiots to the Nth degree in their quest to bring Meyer down. As much as I don't condone cyber-bullying I don't feel bad for McMurphy at all in regards to all the threats he's getting now from OSU fans with the increased desperation he's showing in pushing this story. Anybody from the national media who has the nerve to call a police report a "narrative" is a hypocrite to say the least.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

The media is actually advocating for her.  The minute something comes out to call her credibility into question they attack.  I’ve never seen anything like it.

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scarletgray's picture

you dont think the investigation already uncovered any Hiram involvement? IF so and it yielded nothing in tems of Urbans fate so far then more heads are on the line than his if he did act inappropriately on OSU's behalf.

JDK

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shiloh's picture

Suffice it to say when Urban writes his autobiography he's gonna leave out the chapter re: CS. :-P

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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terryin20878's picture

This part bothers me:  "Made aware of the mailing and the contents of the report Wednesday, Powell Police Chief Gary Vest did not dispute it."

Granted, I did not personally witness this correspondence, but from what I gather based on Powell police's disclosure/lack-thereof, I'm guessing their response was more along the lines of, "no comment".  "...did not dispute it" sounds less like, "no comment", and more like, "no contest".  No wonder many journalists these days are not trusted.

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bd2999's picture

No clue what to make of this stuff. Even McMurphy is disputing this one. Just very strange. I am not sure how this would be verified anyway. May not matter but just very strange.

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unclebucky47's picture

Everyone knows a "combustible couple" like this:  they yell, flight, slap and grab each other, move out, get back together, hate each other-love each other, and by the grace of god---eventually break up.  If you don't, congrats---you must be Amish or grew up on a deserted island.  The double standard is, the Man is generally the only one who gets charged or accused of domestic assault when anyone with any sense knows this is not true.  Women:  hit, slap, throw things at men ---just like men do.  Everyone is scared to death to say anything bad about Courtney Smith, and the nut she is, except:  Her Mom, Her Ex-husband, the Powell Police, and her ex-mother in law.  So the people closest and with the most intimate knowledge basically think Courtney is a huge pain in the rump, an instigator, a liar, and vengeful.  Doesn't sound like a "harmless-cringing victim" to me.

jdw

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Oh they sent a lawyer?  Thought OSU never contacted Courtney?  Oh wait she didn't say that and the cop just messed that up?  Highly unlikely.  #Liar

Class of 2010.

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andretolstoy's picture

What lawyer (or university for that matter) in their right mind is going to risk bar and/or lawsuit by going over to an alleged DV victim's home to intimidate her? Because that type of event is easily covered-up?

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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andretolstoy's picture

FYI 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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cookie monster's picture

It's more appealing than this Tiger vs. Phil golf event they are putting on during Thanksgiving weekend. I wouldn't pay to see the golf event, but I would pay to see Zach vs. Brett! LOL

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RBloodworth's picture

McMurphy's a grade-A douchebag, but he'd eat Zach for lunch if he ever got the chance to interview him.  Zach contradicts himself every time he opens his piehole.

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JAGSTYLE's picture

Apparently Courtney Smith is the only one allowed to change the material facts of this shit show.  Got it

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cookie monster's picture

Speaking of shit shows, Sparty bball and football were cleared today in the Nassar disaster. I wonder when ESPN and the main stream media will eat their crow, retract their narrative, and apologize? 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2793397-ncaa-clears-michigan-state-i...

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Dstacify's picture

As much as I dislike Sparty good for them. The school overall allowing Nassar to go unchecked for as long he was is inexcusable but Dantonio and Izzo had nothing to do with that shit. They were unfairly pulled into it because they're two of the most recognizable sports figures at the school.

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scarletgray's picture

ThIs woman is going to get obliterated in a court of Law. 

JDK

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DibbleDabble's picture

winner winner chicken dinner

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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erniefurgler's picture

Don't expect this to die down anytime soon.  I know someone that works within the OSU legal dept & their concern was Urbs wasn't out of the woods yet.  They have a list 9 pages long, front & back, of media requests for copies of the findings from the $500K investigation.  That is a lot of eyes picking apart every single detail in that report.  You dig deep enough into any story & you're gonna find some dirt or some info that could portrayed in a not-so-good light.  Even "innocent" statements or comments can bite you in the ass

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Dstacify's picture

That's already happened to Urban. He's serving a three-game suspension for misspeaking at the media day essentially. Anymore punishment the school dishes out in Urban's direction. during the season would be equivalent to punishing the team and the players don't deserve that. I definitely don't think the story itself will go away especially as long as Zach and Courtney keep making public statements with their court date coming up but what I've taken from this story is that Courtney is not telling the truth in at least one of her accounts (or possibly even both of them). I don't believe for a second that the school sent a lawyer to force her not to press charges, that's not typically how OSU has operated since Drake has been here. And the fact that SHE'S disputing it as well takes away that likelihood cause if it was true she and McMurphy would've been all over it weeks ago and she would most likely be using it as grounds for a lawsuit against the school right now.

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erniefurgler's picture

I agree, I guess my point was that this report is being scrutinized by dozens & dozens of reporters & "journalists"...Every.Single.Word.   Zach & Courtney aren't helping matters (shocker) by not keeping their pie holes shut.

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

Reporters can continue their obsession with trying to bring Urban Meyer down if they want, but that fact remains that the independent committee already went through everything in the investigation and came to the conclusion that there was no cover up.  The university has already handed out the suspensions based on the results of the investigation.  Unless new info comes to light, nothing else is going to happen to Urban

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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Dstacify's picture

Have you read any of McMurphy's latest pieces since the suspension was announced (if you haven't, don't, it's all laughable Bush League journalism)? His desperation has gone up tenfold since the suspension was announced and his articles have become more and more ridiculous and agenda-revealing as a result. If McMurphy had more information to use as another grenade against OSU he would've thrown that grenade by now. He's got very few cards left to play at this point so he's simply trying to make as much noise as he can to force OSU's decision to change instead. I highly doubt McMurphy knows any information the committee doesn't already know and the committee has already made their decision based on what they know. What Zach and Courtney say right now publically (which is mostly directed at each other and in Zach's case at the media) isn't going to hurt the University so much as it hurts the Smith and Carano families since this has effectively become a family matter for the courts to resolve in a week's time.

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GIBS_STI's picture

The pen is blue! The pen is blue! 

Fortune favors the bold.

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OhioStGoon's picture

Courtney's definetly going to file a lawsuit and my guess is it's going to include everybody from the University to Urban to probably even the Powell PD to get some sort of quick settlement... Zach isn't getting hired anywhere anytime soon and due to her lie's and insistence on hustling backwards causing her and her children to be currently broke by getting her only revenue stream fired at this point she's desperate..

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maximumblitz's picture

As I survey the national headlines, I mostly see "Courtney Smith clarified statements to the Powell Police".

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/08/30/courtney-smith-zach-smith...

The next time I am arrested, I hope to be able to "clarify" my comments to the police when they are found to contradict my other comments.

I don't see any articles discussing whether comments recorded in the police report might actually be untruthful.

I see many other articles that assume that every other statement in the police report are unquestionably correct.

Has the world gone mad?

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GoBuckswin's picture

Why can't cs go FAR away!! Nobody wants to ever hear from her again. She is an awful person as is her ex-husband. 

Bucks fans in Mass

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