Build me a bridge I'm over it.
I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people. Woody Hayes
I am with you Warosu...
Why does Dublin have so many round-abouts? Because everyone in Dublin thinks they have the right-of-way.
Huber57 they are searching for BONES........
Movin' on. Nothing to see...
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But the media isn't
Does this change anything on the suspension ? Believed they knew all this before they announce suspension so it shouldn’t correct
This is info they collected during investigation. None of this changes their perspective on suspension.
All of this was known, none of it is new "news" to the University or BoT.
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This whole situation will continue continuously. It's not over.
"Hell, Woody didn't recruit me; he recruited my mother!" -Jack Tatum
Doesn't seem to be anything groundbreaking here but the handwritten note is interesting, particularly the part where it says "what would we do if this was a player?" "Entitled to due process". Think that pretty clearly sums up OSU's mindset about 2015.
I noticed that too. Considering that Hyde was initially dismissed (during investigation), then suspended for three games (for not following core values), it seems they didn’t quite follow that analogy to conclusion.
Hyde was on camera getting in a woman’s face & then swatting at her (yes, in retaliation). It wasn’t he said she said.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
Entitled to due process. It's right in the quote. There was no evidence or charges or arrest.
This would follow the Storm Klein incident, where he was suspended and reinstated after the investigation cleared him
Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.
Some one, Courtney, McMurphy, some young snot at ESPN will find some bullshit nugget in these docs and make a mountain out of a mole hill. Counting down the hours until this eventually happens.
Urban is a good coach, ethical coach, hardass and overall great for Ohio State. Someone wants his ass fired and will stop at nothing until it happens.
Barney Fife lives, and he lives among us.
they are some in the main stream media (ESPin, CBS, etc.) that will only be satisfied when blood is spilled (Meyer's), regarding this issue...
just my most humble opinion...
Go coach Meyer!
15-1 is SWEET!
Please make it stop.
*Reserves a study room*
EDIT - Clicked on the anon tip regarding ZS' rehab...that alone spoke volumes.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Sure.. minus the reference to "all of these domestic violence issues" which seems to I dicate the author of the email has a particular perspective on the allegations and possibly an agenda. We can all appreciate that Zach Smith should have been let go much sooner... But I still don't believe all of his other issues are necessarily/if at all, related to the domestic violence allegations. It seems like his issues are being used to try and give more credibility to the allegations, which is what I would estimate was the true purpose of that email.
You’re right. It’s like:
was he a cheater, yes
a liar yes
a drunk , yes
a bad employee, yes
bad husband , yes
wife beater. no.
Sleaze and Violence are both bad things, but not the same things. You can hide sleaze from your boss, but straight up dv is very hard to hide from police and family-over and over.
I will even accept that he may have been overly physical at times... But I haven't seen enough to flat out say he was abusive or even that he assaulted her, and it does eem like that would be difficult to hide that stuff given the extensive police and university awareness and involvement.
That one won't pull up for me...
We call that a MOOB, Hove...
"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir
Yeah, that was a bit odd. I'm far from a HIPAA expert. But releasing the treatment plan and patient identity for a facility at which you work is a bold move. I certainly wouldn't do so without a pretty educated opinion on the subject.
Great, can't wait to read ESPN later today when they get a hold of this and release just enough to make it look like there's more info.
"Because I couldn't go for three."
Pro tip: don't read it.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
don't read it.
Nice avatar 717!!
"Defiance in Silence"
You too, Defiance. I'm trying to decide when the right time to change it would be. Any thoughts?
Pretty basic year end employee review form, kind of expected more detailed critique for a program like OSU football. Not sure that an E-Mail/letter that was appears to be a HIPPAA violation by an employee of a treatment center should be maintained by the University.
Keep in mind that for at least two years, 11W FOIA'ed and printed the reviews. If you knew your performance appraisal was going to be printed for all the world to read, wouldn't you want pablum also?
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
I had the same thought. I wonder about the proper intersection of HIPAA and public records laws. Again, I'm far from a HIPAA expert, but I don't see how that e-mail isn't a violation. And I suspect that public records law would yield to HIPAA's policy considerations.
Not only does this appear to be a HIPPA violation (up to 10k fine per occurrence if inadvertent ), but this is a willful violation 100k per occurrence. I would certainly be fired for publicly publishing a specific patient's treatment plan (I work in pharmacy).
I wonder what the usual protocol is in regards to this matter. I would assume someone from the facility would contact the Medical Director or some point of contact in the office and inform them that he failed to compete the first portion of the program.
Once someone in the Medical Director's office knew of this, then what is the normal procedure? If it was a mandated, in many cases he could have been fired for not completing the program.
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Paste a picture of mcturd on it
That is McMuffin. Don’t you recognize the crooked smile from the guy in blue?
I'm sorry accidently dv you I was scrolling and it dv'd you. Someone please upvote txbuckeye to make up for it. Thanks in advance
You can change it yourself actually. Just hit upvote.
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
I am seeing no new or "damning" evidence against Urban Meyer. In fact, I am just seeing a report that is guiding Smith to not talk to his ex wife. Further, I am seeing a "restraining order" or a no contact order that can be obtained by anyone in or after a divorce. I am still having a hard time believing that any of this means that Urban Meyer's name should have been drug through the mud. Regardless, glad the FACTS are out.
Now BEAT Oregon State!
But, but, he should have done more!
Im over this shit too. The national outrage and media response is sickening.
Blast the football coach for not doing more than Local Law Enforcement, the University and the alleged victim's family and call it a win at all costs based cover-up.
I Hate Michigan.
I think you forgot italics for your first line.
it's as if tOSU feels like they haven't completely fucked this entire situation up enough, and they are desperately searching for a way to escalate the entire thing to yet another level of defcon fuckery.
I'm guessing they weren't initially planning on releasing this but then got a FOIA request from every writer in America and were like ah fine here
they said the entire report and investigation would be released to the public
11 W requested these documents . So, if your going to be mad at the media, might as well start here.
Yes, BB. And I guessed that the OSU PR dept would sense a need to get these docs blacked-out (redacted by the attys) and have a sense of urgency to get them out quickly to the public; so that the bad press does not continue to bleed out over time; because as pro PR folk they knew full well that the FOIA (freedom of information act) demands would be pouring in "from every writer in America" as you said.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
It feels like you don't pay attention.
Ok those notes from the Powell PD are damn near impossible to read. Chicken scratch handwriting at its finest lol. I'm surprised they didn't just type those records out.
i think that's the point of the chicken scratch
Sept 1st in the Shoe
Q: Why did the burger have no taste?
A: Because there was nothing in it.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Somebody called gas, petrol.
The offseason is the longest season.
That should be a fireable offense
Shandy is not beer
It certainly inflamed the situation.
"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.
Got me fired up!
I could not get many of the links to work. Guess that saves me the time and agony of reading them as I thought this was starting to go away.
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Not reading one sentence of this stuff. It's game week my friends!!! Celebrate!
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
Exactly. Season started yesterday morning for me.
I've been through Ann arbor one time. I pulled over at a gas station and forced a poop.
Soooooooo, nothing to do with Coach Meyer. But I'm sure this new information will make people hate Dr. Drake and GENE (not Zach) Smith even more somehow.
I bleed scarlet...literally
In the willishandwritten note pdf; on page 3 it reads like OSU tried to contact Courtney Smith!? It was confusing and hard to read, but did anyone else see that?
I saw it and it confused me as well. I wanted to wait until another poster explained that section of articles. I remember though that the media was grilling Urban Meter and Ohio State for not contacting Courtney Smith which I felt was a little absurd.
Well and that is Courtney's big claim in her Stadium interview. OSU never contacted me. I hope we can get some clarification on that section.
Tough to read, but I think the confusion is coming from her using "C.S." - everyone is now used to that being Courtney Smith, but in this document, it was referring to Chief Craig Stone of the Campus police. Chief Stone said that a "reporter OSU tried to interview the wife" before stating there was an open records request from the media (OSU beat reporter?).
BTW, that was the notes of Meichelle WIllis, the deputy title IX coordinator and head of compliance for athletics, whom Urban and Gene would have had to report to.
Thanks for clearing that up! +1
What purpose does this serve? Let it go! Is Drake listening to Finebaum and feeling that he needs to appease him? WTF? I can see the media not letting this go away silently into the night, but I would not expect the University to keep throwing logs on the fire!
Let's play football on Saturday and put this shit behind us already!
What purpose does this serve?
Ensures this whole cluster remains front and center for a few more news cycles. Gives all involved parties just enough information to continue supporting their claims, but not enough information to actually satisfy anyone.
Or an attempted at being transparent.
The university is legally obligated to provide these since multiple media members have filed FOIA requests. I would rather read them myself and come up with my own takeaways then have ESPN do it and spoon feed me the narrative they want to push. If you don't want to pay attention that's fine but the media will cover this regardless. I'd rather make sure both sides are out there.
A text chain between Urban Meyer and Ohio State football SID Jerry Emig from the night of July 23, 2018, discussing the allegations against Zach Smith that were reported earlier that day. pic.twitter.com/WvP1wEBEpL
— Eleven Warriors (@11W) August 28, 2018
**Jump to B1G media days**
Landis then asks Meyer if he was aware of “any of the past alleged incidents with Zach in 2009 or 2015.”
Meyer responded, saying, “In 2015, there was nothing. When I first heard that last night, I said, ‘Do some research,’ and there was nothing.”
"Year for what?"
If Urban had actually stuck to Jerry's talking points, none of this would have happened. Stay on script, coach.
I believe 11W wrote an article that was basically making this point when the whole thing blew up. It was basically that coaches are so robotic now you don't get any info from them and how this is the only time they have really seen Urban slip up since starting at OSU.
We've always had the best damn band in the land...
- Jim Tressle
Yeah, I still think this would have happened but the initial media firestorm and liar part would be majorly undercut by that.
BUT MUH NARRATIVE ... URBAN LIAR!!!! ~Brett McMurphy & many other national pundits
You win with people.
And so forth...
9 Units Strong!
Commonly heard in Central Florida. Urban Liar. I don't stoop to their ignorant level. They know how I think and feel.
Like Stan Jackson just said, this shows Ohio State knew of everything and he is surprised they spent $500,000 to investigate stuff they already knew.
If that’s the case, Meyer and Gene told them about this stuff. The morality issues are that, morality issues.
The $500,000 was spent to pay an unbiased third party to confirm what they knew and did what they were supposed to do.
These files don’t open for me.
Follow the link to the OSU website.
Follow the link
Not doing that again. Lol.
After reading most of these, I'm more confused than I was before (I guess I prefer the Cliff Notes version). I can understand why the administration wasn't sure how to handle this while it was ongoing.
On a related note, does anyone else remember when the Criminal Trespass first came out, and Buckeye Jack was telling anyone who would listen that it was nothing more than a speeding ticket? That seems like a looong time ago, and there's never been a time when I wished he was more right.
Shh, dont let him read that. He might come back.
"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski
Where has he been, anyway? Not sure I would have wanted his perspective through all of this, but I'm surprised we never got it.
Think he got the banhammer.
Still showing up, but he has been m.i.a. since August 5.
Pretty sure it's not by his own choosing....
Fields of Dreams
Where are the “new” documents? Don’t you just mean documents the committee had???? What’s new?
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
Does it really matter? What should have been a private matter turned ugly. A good lawyer and Zach Smith might have grounds for an enhancement to whatever severance agreement he may have had. I hate this type of manure! Bring on the season!!!!!
That anonymous email is a huge HIPPA violation. It should have not been made public. Not a fan of ZS, but he has grounds for a lawsuit against the facility.
Buckeye born and bred, Buckeye till I'm dead
Yep. I work in the healthcare field and that is a HIPPA violation down to the T regardless of the reasoning for forwarding that information. The only way I would think the facility isn't liable for a lawsuit there is if they obtained express permission from ZS himself to share the e-mail and it doesn't expressly say here that they did.
And not just the incidental violation. This is a willful violation of the very expressive variety... Unless ZS said that it is OK...In writing. Doesn't the university have lawyers? Don't they have a hospital that knows how to follow HIPPA laws?
Not to mention isn't Drake himself a doctor? He of all people should understand what HIPPA violations are and how serious they can be. If he condoned this without ZS's express permission and exposed the school medical facilities to HIPPA lawsuits as a result that's just plain negligent and careless on his part. But again I also don't know how directly involved Drake was in the investigation (from what it sounds like, not very much involved at all).
It is interesting to see the new morality clause appear in the handbook in 2014 that wasn't there in 2013. No strip clubs, pornography,etc...
They should just call it the Tom Herman rule...
OSU_JD, we will expect a complete analysis within the hour. Quit farting around and get to it already.
Does anyone associated with the situation(at OSU) have the balls to say, “we did what we did”, end of story?! This isn’t a criminal investigation. The more they keep putting shit out, the more it gives hacks the opportunity to criticize us. It’s like adding fuel to the fire and we don’t have to. Can we dismiss Drake ASAP?!!
In Antoine Winfield I trust
Holy cow, Zach Smith, while I do not believe he abused Courtney Smith, is a first-rate, top of the heap fuck up. Immature, unprofessional, addle-brained moron. Meyer knowing this, and still repeatedly allowing him the privilege and honor to continue on as an Ohio State football coach is unfathomable. I simply do not think Meyer is a guy who would knowingly allow and/or cover up an abusive situation, and I think he knows that Courtney Smith is crazy and lacks credibility... but aside from all the Courtney allegations, the way Meyer mismanaged Zach Smith and bungled the presser in Chicago is incomprehensible for a guy so accomplished.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
I have to preface this next part by stating I absolutely support UFM as the head coach of The Ohio State Buckeyes but this...
the way Meyer mismanaged Zach Smith and bungled the presser in Chicago is incomprehensible for a guy so accomplished.
speaks volumes Kmp10!!
1) The fact that ZS was ever on staff at tOSU is a head scratcher and the only explanation albeit it illogical is Earl Bruce. Heart>head.
2) The fact that UFM did not disclose any of ZS's previous run-ins when he was being vetted by tOSU for hire is unforgivable.
3) The fact that UFM still kept him on staff even after GS suggested he move on from him is just digging a deeper hole.
4) UFM and his ramblings at the B1G Media days is so un-Urban like. He's generally well spoken and to the point but that day the wheels just seemed to come off.
5) His ego got in the way of his mouth and took over from there. He talks about "There being nothing, once again there was nothing. Who creates a story like that?" He talks about pressing pause and getting your mind right and step up and the whole E+R=O. Press pause again and get your mind right. Step up, pause your mind and collect information and step up and do the right thing.
It's not word for word but it just seems like he'd have been better off using the no comment and the situation is still fluid and when the time is right, we'll discuss it further. I get that all of this is hindsight but I just feel (like many of us on here) that UFM, Gene Smith, Michael Drake and the entire university just seemed to fumble this whole damn thing time and time and again and they continue to say and do all the wrong things.
Rant over. Open for discussion and agreement/disagreement.
I think it is clear that ZS's bloodlines definitely kept him employed, but he was also (and I hate to give this shitbag any credit) a really good recruiter.
And from what I've seen with college position coaches, it doesn't really matter if you can coach the position all that well as long as you can recruit at a high level. I truly believe if he was just a shitty coach and shitty person that Urban wouldn't have kept him around, but he was a really good recruiter.
I'm really surprised they keep disclosing all this information. You're practically begging for more scrutiny or more cans of worms to be opened. It's best just to stop discussing it at this point.
All of it was covered in the report and it is just releasing the raw data for most of it. Some of it I do not understand and involves a potential HIPAA violation
It is dying down on some fronts but some are still digging. It is why there is a big push for the deleted text messages at the moment.
Shelly, What mom had the Rhubarb? Don't hold out on us...
Let Meatchicken Beat Meatchicken!!!!
The hand written note talks about due process. They did this with Hyde and Storm Klein did they not?
They dismissed Storm and then brought him back. He plead guilty to disorderly conduct. Now granted, they were not shown to be universally incompetent as Zach Smith has shown to be over and over. The card situation, missing appointments, never showing up to recruiting assignments was well worthy enough for a suspension of Meyer in my opinion.
As other have mentioned, we can move on as can Meyer and the program. He made a mistake by giving someone too many chances. It happens. He is gone now and everyone should let the Smith situation be handled by those families and the court system now.
As other have mentioned, we can move on as can Meyer and the program. He made a mistake by giving someone too many chances. It happens. He is gone now and everyone should let the Smith situation be handled by those families and the court system now.
This hits the nail on the head!
This story is exhausting! So over it. By the way, why is 90% of the coverage related to Urban Myer and less than 10% to Zach Smith. He is kinda the guilty party---no?
So the night before he's ambushed Meyer says he knows nothing about the incident McMurphy insinuates he did know about or am I reading that wrong?
Urban Meyer is such a good liar that he knows to lie the day before a question he "lied about" is asked....
Or he didn't really know and Brett straight up gotchya'd him.
Am I missing something here?
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Im over it all, plenty of football to discuss.
None of these links work.
Dump a bunch of meaningless documents while hiding behind FERPA/HIPPA and any other regulation to delay releasing the juicier things that OSU knows we want to see. In the meantime, maybe football will be 7-0 one day and there will be a scandal at Baylor, Oregon or Tennessee that will take the Brett McMurphy and Paul Finebaum types in a different direction.
If any of us thought it was over we were dreaming. People digging and digging and something will turn up.
I don’t think that has anything to do with this. From the start they said they were going to release all of this after all of their lawyers redacted what had to be redacted, etc.
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I know that "respect women" is a core values. I know that punching/hitting a woman is not respecting a woman, but come on is that the only way to disrespect a woman? I fail to see how ZS was not disrespecting CS, though she wasn't so respectful herself. If it is a core value it should apply to athletes and coaches. How ZS still had a job at tOSU 3 months ago is beyond conceivable if they really followed their core values.
I don't really think Paul and Brett well maybe just Paul will ever give up on UM. I think he has something personal against UM as in jealous of the man's job his life etc. Paul's a loser. Don't forget though CS and ZS have to go to court and those records are going to be made public eventually. I think stuff will come out nobody will apologize to OSU or UM or GS or even ZS. And I agree Drake needs to go ASAP. in the meantime maybe he can stop watching cable and delete his ESPN app on his phone.
You got to admit one thing though fellow 11s Herbie has stayed on point and loyal. That's why I love Kirk Herbstreit. later on this year when he's talking about some Underdog team running the tables and winning it all like he likes to do I probably won't even get mad at him this year. Lol
Finebaum's an SEC guy and Urban walked out on what was once the SEC's flagship program when he was coaching there. Finebaum will always hold a grudge against Meyer for that reason alone since the SEC was a stronger conference overall back when Florida and LSU were good. Now they're just a top heavy conference with Bama, Georgia, and Auburn being good and all the other teams being just meh. Plus he hates the B1G in general. He spent most of last season going off the rails against Harbaugh.
The “anonymous friend” dishing details about Zach’s stint in rehab can only be one of three people: Courtney Smith, Julia Leveridge, or Brett McMurphy. Given the lousy grammar and spelling on display, I’m going to guess Option 1 (unless they’re going all-out to protect their identity). The email was sent to David Sarratt, one of Mary Jo White’s attorneys working as an investigator here. No anonymous tipster from the outside of this situation is going to know who David Sarratt is, nor would they have his email address. Furthermore, the same information in this email was tweeted out by McMurphy on 8/22, before OSU had ever released any of these documents to the public. This was Courtney using a sock puppet, much like she’s doing on Twitter right now to leak dirt on both her mother and Lynn Bruce.
EDIT: I guess it could also be our favorite QAnon theorist OSUSmitty or his ex-wife. Forgive me if I wish to forget about them.
Well, Brett McMurphy pretty much tweeted the email verbatim citing “sources are telling me” in early August. The sender of that email may be his big source.