Stiff Competition: Comparison of Top Units of College Football Teams

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FitzBuck's picture

I don’t get it. OL is highly rated by recruiting services and returning 3 starters.  LB I’ll conceed based on last year.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Alabama being top 5 QB is crazy.  Tua has played 30 minutes of college football and Jalen Hurts is average.  Neither has stepped up and won the job, as of now. 

Harbaugh in top 5 coaches.  Are you kidding!?!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Not surprising that OSU isn't getting a lot of love on lists like these. It's that old story of sending so many guys to the next level, replacing a proven QB, etc. etc.

Not sure we're 3rd in the nation at RB... I think the story of how this season plays out will tell us that. I think for DL we probably have the best starting four, but the depth is a bit of an unknown ATM.

Stuff like this is fun to read, but ultimately it's played on the field. I think we have the potential to be dominant.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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BuckeyeBobcat's picture

its alphabetical. its not necessarily 3rd.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Sorry, lack of caffeine this AM... my bad.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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tkrussell's picture

Bama is above both Auburn and Arizona in separate categories

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Note: For a team that Urban considers offensive-line driven, Ohio State does not appear in the Top 12 OL nationally.

Just got done commenting on this in another thread. For the third year in a row OL seems to end up consisting of the least bad options among a bunch of unimpressive ones. How else do you explain two 5th year seniors (Knox and Pridgeon) winning starting jobs out of fall camp for the first time in their careers, ahead of two former superstud recruits in Davis and Myers, and an OT converted to OG in Jordan going from emergency C to starting C? Yes, I know Myers had been practicing at C as well, but he appears to be 3rd string there too, behind Jordan and an RS senior with very limited game experience in Taylor. Considering none of these guys have exactly set the world on fire over the last couple of years, you have to be somewhat concerned about OL development.

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ChristianHaven's picture

Point well taken, WildBear.  For me the biggest take-away relates to what you're saying.

Ohio State is now competing nationally and being good is not good enough-- they must be better in most of the team units and best overall. Looking at the competition then, there are teams at the start of the season (I hate to say it) that clearly have better units.  It's all relative. (The chart highlights this for me.)  So OSU is not weak, they are strong-- among the best in RBs and along the DLine-- but they are not now as strong relative to all the other units.

And while the team has great potential, many players are young and inexperienced, especially on the OLine you mentioned, and also with the new QB, all the LBs, as well as a CB and a safety, and TE.

Conclusion: being objective, if the playoffs were held today, the OSU team would not win, they would not even get into the playoffs-- the OLine today wouldn't have a prayer keeping Haskins upright against Clemson's DLine.  So let's see how the coaches develop the talent over the season.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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Zdog4307's picture

Michigan ahead of Ohio State in coaches is a complete joke.

Go Bucks

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WildBear Buckeye's picture

Within each group (top 5 and next 7) the lists are alphabetical

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SilverHaven's picture

Reading comprehension.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Zdog4307's picture

Thats what Dyslexia will do to ya. That and laziness.

Go Bucks

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SilverHaven's picture

Just teasing, Zdog.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Zdog4307's picture

Thanks. Reading is difficult.

Go Bucks

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milhouse4588's picture

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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LawClub's picture

Preseason predictions in college football.  Whatever.

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ChristianHaven's picture

These are not predictions, but talent evaluations.  Of course having talent does not equate to success on the field.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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LawClub's picture

The recruiting ratings are talent evaluations, too.  By those, we're top 5 in all categories.  That's my point - in college football things change significantly from year to year because of player turnover so if you have first time starters, you're not going to be rated high preseason.

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ChristianHaven's picture

Got it now, a good team of new players may not be apparent in the preseason.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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cookie monster's picture

Bama ranks in the top 5 in WR/TE. Their best returning player in that group had 14 catches last year. LOL

Preseason lists like these are a joke. 

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ChristianHaven's picture

Cookie Monster, these are not my evaluations, but those of pros. I'll check on that, Me like cookies.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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ChristianHaven's picture

The comment is misleading.  Yeah, we all know Ridley was the real deal, go-to guy, and he's gone to $$ greener pastures.

However, other than Ridley, the 'Bama QB would spread the wealth all around.
One running back caught 17 passes,
then there were 5 receivers who caught 14 passes, and
2 more caught 12 passes. 
Jeudy is the best returning wide receiver i.e. non running back and non-TE, coming back because his 14 catches went for more yardage than others who caught 14.  And both TEs are returning and one caught 14 passes, the same as Jeudy.

Bottom line: the assertion is accurate, but not meaningful.

Oh, I almost forgot, the receiver who caught Tagovailoa's winning TD in OT for the nat'l championship is returning too.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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cookie monster's picture

So I guess my question is, did they spread the ball around or could they not find someone reliable enough to get the ball to to make plays? I saw the stats...one WR (Riggs) had 12 receptions but 6 of them were for TDs. Then I looked closer and it seemed most of his scores were in blowouts. They say that having two QBs is like having none...maybe its the same for pass catchers? If you "spread the ball around" do you really have any playmakers or someone you can count on when the game is close? If you take out Ridley's production, the rest of the team had 141 receptions for  1739 yards. Bama ranked 77 nationally in passing ypg last year. Even with our "limited" QB, we were 22. 

I wonder if the lack of anyone establishing himself as an elite pass catcher has given Saban pause when selecting a QB. Tua has bigger upside, but Hurts has the experience and without an elite pass catcher or playmaker he doesn't know who fits better in the QB position? 

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Mastro16's picture

Saw Michigan in Top-5 Coaches.

Pass

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ChristianHaven's picture

Harbaugh is a good laugh!!

But Don Brown is an excellent defensive coordinator of one of the very top Ds in the nation, and we were worried about former OSU Ed Warinner joining the staff to apply his talents to the O-line, and the offensive coordinator is former Florida head coach Jim McElwain.  And let's see, there is the Al Washington the LB coach from Bishop Watterson here in Columbus who is back to recruiting Ohio kids up to Michigan.

And the joke Jim Harbaugh himself is not doing poorly, especially compared to Rich Rod, altho' he's not nearly up to the Michi Men arrogant expectations, and he's winless against his main rival; but in the 2000s so were Carr, Rodriguez and Hoke (2011 doesn't count).

But I get your fun joke!

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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blu.fan's picture

Michigan's OL is the challenge. Smh. It isn't Warinner's fault, but it will still take several more years to undo a dozen years of damage. The OL is the heart of a team, and Michigan's OL has sucked forever. They are much better now on the interior (C & OG,) but at OT? Disaster. I think Michigan's QB could easily be in the top 12. Regarding coaching, the juries out on Harbaugh . . . I would have him lower right now, although his time at Stanford really showed us something. 

I also think Saban is overrated . . . it is the quality of the players at Bama that makes the difference.

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