Skull Session: Digesting Ohio State's Announcement and Recapping Wednesday's Madness

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CC's picture

Is Zach Smith and another OSU football coach going to a strip club with hs coaches some kind of NCAA violation?  Clearly not if you're at the U.

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SouthernTip's picture

Smith should have been fired after the strip club incident and no-showing on recruiting trips. I guess these were some of the red flags Urban said he wish he would have acted on. I am glad, however, that Urban owned up to letting his relationship with Earle get in the way. Most everyone suspected it anyway, but I'm glad he was honest.

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craigfling's picture

Blowing off recruiting visits is one thing, but it's not illegal to go to a strip club, is it? Especially if they only added a clause to that effect afterwards.

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SouthernTip's picture

Definitely not illegal, but combine that with blowing off other visits and it becomes clear it was often used by Zach as a chance to get out of town and party.

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BrutusB's picture

He went to the club with a high school coach.  That's kind of an important detail.

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TXNut2488's picture

Could be, not sure the rules on that, but as long as it wasn't an actual recruit (semantics, I know) and he used his own personal money...I think it's all good.

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

Although a huge piece of crap, Zach was still considered one of the best recruiters at OSU. Even after missing meetings with some recruits. 

GO BUCKS!!! *ichigan sucks!!!

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Evannati's picture

It's like an episode of "Ballers".  Kerry Coombs at a strip club would be epic!

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Buckeyeneer's picture

"What do you need water for, Sunshine?" Coombs yelled. "We're stretching! And you're a stripper!"

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Hearing that he will be able to participate in practices for weeks 2 and 3 is at least a small consolation, so that’s something.

I just want to say to all my 11w family, I’m so glad we were all able to be there for each other yesterday, there was a lot of great, mostly positive, mostly realistic conversation and I really felt the buckeye nation coming together as we all waited on pins and needles. 

It will be Ohio against the world this year. Let’s fucking ride. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Silver Sniper's picture

This whole thing was a mess from the start. Brett McShithead creating a moving target with his altered Facebook posts, Meyer trying to respond to the moving target at BIG media day, Meyer’s loyalty to Mr. Bruce, how overblown stories are in the media nowadays, some calling for Meyer’s head while others calling for no suspension at all. No one is perfect and no one or institution could escape skeletons in the closet if looked at under the same microscope as what Meyer has been under. I am grateful that we have him back and that we can now all move on. How sweet it would be to now go on to win it all this year.

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DCDDC's picture

Good morning,

Well its finally over.  Thank god.  Next weekend we play.  

We are all exhausted from this.  its going to be a good day today, and a good week all week.  Because next weekend we get to play.

m GO BLOW!!!

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Good Morning,

And REGARDLESS to “The Decision”, there’s 100+ guys that are sacrificing blood sweat and tears, busting their collective butts to play a game they enjoy, that entertains us.  That has been my constant!

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brutus0717's picture

Well, that was fun!

Look, I'm not necessarily in agreement with the suspension, but there were a few times during this whole process that I felt that we MIGHT lose Urban as our coach. I think, as an entire fan base, we need to take it down a notch (or 10) and just be glad that he's not gone. Our outrage vs. the entirety of the National Media outrage only looks to paint Buckeye Nation in a bad light, and after all of this, that's just not something I want. Not giving them any more fodder is probably the best punishment that we can give them. Just my $0.02.

Now, back to football!!

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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awlinBrutus's picture

I was more afraid that Coach Meyer would not want to return to the OSU because of the way they handled the media. I don't ever remember any statements whatsoever from TOSU athletic department voicing any support for Coach Meyer while the media just chewed him up. I feel like he should have been instructed to answer football questions ONLY in the aftermath of the smith firing.

Before reading the committee's report i felt he should have been reinstated immediately. Of hearing of ZS's job related issue's lieing about missing recruiting visits is proof Meyer didn't want to upset Earl Bruce. That was Meyer 's opportunity to protect TOSU and lead by example.

Having said all that, 3 games is harsh, and should be allowed to coach practices up until game day.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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prdoctor's picture

Agree. And an interesting takeaways from all this is that Urban clearly wants to be here and stick around for awhile. He could have easily said, "I don't need this B.S.," and walked away and gotten paid somewhere else -- or at least made a reputation-washing job stop like Bobby Petrino, if that was needed. (I don't think it would be.)
When he first came here my thought was I'd be a little surprised if he made it 5 years. Then, the rumor was that he'd leave when his son graduated from high school. Finally, some said the recent contract extension was just a recruiting ploy. Nope, nope and nope.

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cpfanatik77's picture

Shoot, I kept wavering during the press conference itself. When White said that he didn't handle it like they thought he should have, I thought he was a goner. What a roller coaster of a day.

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Silver Sniper's picture

"along with another OSU football coach." 

Who else but the founder of MENSA, Mr. Tom Herman. And now you know the rest of the story.

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FitzBuck's picture

Please let this be the case and please let it leak.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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BroJim's picture

Some one on Reddit will connect the dots to what we all widely assume.

I season my simple food with hunger

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BBQ_Fan's picture

If it were Herman that would truly be hilarious

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Maybe it was Tim Beck

"I find your lack of kalua disturbing" - Darth Lebowski

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buckguy10's picture

Pretty sure Tim Beck still worked for Nebraska in May 2014. Herman and Smith were reported as "close" prior to Herman leaving in Jan 2015 for Houston so that would be my guess. By not naming the coach, makes me think that they are no longer at OSU.

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t-dub's picture

With all the detail in the report, it's odd to me to be vague here

"What is our aim, I can tell you in one word. Victory" Winston Churchill

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fishleehooker's picture

In Atlanta it says...so my first thought was Tom Herman too. It'd be Herman or Meyer and I can't see Meyer at all there. 

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brutus0717's picture

Atlanta was Herman's area. Remember that now infamous story of him walking off the highway to catch a plane after an ice storm?

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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osu78's picture

So the question remains: which club and will they sponsor OSU game watches?

There may be some HS coaches to have some 'splaining to do as well...

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ELJTSA76's picture

If someone writes and posts it in the internet, it becomes true!

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TMac's picture

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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Dillon G's picture

I disagree with the statements from the corrupt US Attorney that lied at the podium. It is not a football coaches job to pursue legal or law enforcement matters. Meyer is right, she is wrong. Meyer said you let the professionals do their jobs. Law enforcement don't just say oh well, and move along. Unless one of you is a LEO and say you do, then I'm wrong on that.

Unless there is followup,  It is time to move on to football.

#walkaway

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Deano's picture

The entire last page of the report was basically the committee saying the "Law Enforcement did nothing" stance is insufficient. Based on what we think we know  of the allegations, there is no way a prosecutor could prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that DV occurred.  No reason to further fracture a broken family  with young children in a hopeless trial.

We can not like it, but lots of employers, including mine, and Urban's, will investigate things like this extrajudicially.  Mary Jo White isn't lying about that.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I would not use the word corrupt.  What bothers me is that based on their interviews they had to know CS’s claims and credibility are highly questionable.  Yet the tone of the report suggests she’s a genuine victim.  They should have found Meyer had no blame regarding the DV allegations, but ZS should have been fired earlier for other misconduct.

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TXNut2488's picture

This is my issue. They have to have some idea if any of the allegations from CS are true or false. By not including ANYTHING about it, it makes Urban look terrible. If they had said something about her not being credible, then the report loses its teeth and Urban isn't getting crapped on like he is today.

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chris's picture

There's no way with pending litigation between zach and courtney that they are going to make that stand.

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Posterchild's picture

She clearly stated that his course of action should have been to file a written report of the potential legal issue to the appropriate department/office, despite the authorities not pursuing charges. Though he discussed the issue with Gene Smith, it was both of their responsibility to file a written report to the appropriate office. That department would then look into the issues further independently to see if there were potential red flags, which they would likely have found.

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Dillon G's picture

ESPN is not letting it go. EvenMike Golic at 5:30 was harping on text messages that are fake. He talks about them as they matter. CS's mother said all that was needed to end it. And they did fire ZS for bad behavior but not DV that he didn't commit.

And she is corrupt. She isn't wrong and doesn't know. She does know, and said it any way.

#walkaway

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johngobuck's picture

Gene Smith knew about this before Meyer did.  At that point I don't think it was any longer or never really was in Urban's hands.   He literally found out about it because the police department contacted Gene Smith.  With that particular aspect Urban's name shouldn't even be brought up.  It was not his job to report it to "Compliance".   And to be honest "Compliance" couldn't have done anything more about it than the police did.  

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TXNut2488's picture

The Title IX supervisor knew about it before Gene AND URBAN.

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Posterchild's picture

They both had an obligation contractually to report the incident, even if they knew that another staff member was aware and reported the incident. You're statement that it was not Urban's responsibility is false. I suggest you (re)read the investigative team's findings. It also is irrelevant if the compliance or HR department (whoever would have been the appropriate department to report to) would have been able to find anything, it was apart of Urban and Gene's contractual obligation to report it, plain and simple. Instead they sat on the information waiting for the police to formally charge ZS.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

You apparently don't really understand DV and probably never will.  Most DV incidents don't get reported to law enforcement, it is part of the cycle of abuse.  No one said he had to become a fucking detective, but Meyer admitted he could have done more.  Start with disclosing to your employer that you are hiring a guy that had an allegation in 2009 that involved throwing his pregnant wife into a wall.   Even though the 2015 incident came from Gene, and might have started with the Title IX director, a report in writing was required, from both him and Gene.  Period.  And I don't believe for one minute he wasn't aware of the sex acts that took place in the WHAC including the affair with a staffer, which honestly, makes the university look bad.  In short, he could have handled this better, which is what he said at his presser.  People need to stop acting like Meyer is the victim here, because he isn't.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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JCam061588's picture

“Another football coach” is the key reason ZS wasn’t fired for that incident, because in that situation if your fire one you have to fire the other & OSU doesn’t go on a magic run if that happens. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Agreed that is likely why he was t fired for that event only. And that event alone may not have earned a firing. That’s why they were both likely warned.

However, there were other things that occurred before and after that which were red flags that warranted a firing. It’s the cumulative nature of all those things and Urban Meyer not doing anything about that which led to this suspension. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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johngobuck's picture

Agree that this is why he was suspended.  That said these incidents don't occur one after the other.   These things trickled in over the course of years.  So Zach builds up some credibility then loses it.  Then behaves good for a while.  Builds up some credibility then loses it again.   I have no doubt he gave him more chances than a lot of people would get but it isn't an offense the merits suspension.

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Silver Sniper's picture

This is an excellent point, John. With 20/20 hindsight, we see all the incidents laid out one after the other. In reality, Zach was putting years in between and there was never any indication from the police that these were issues for which he was being charged. A lot of the stuff, Meyer didn’t even have visibility to. And back in 2009, people weren’t saying fire your coach for the incident that occurred. This has become a more recent phenomenon that the media wants everyone’s head to role for this type of thing.

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JCam061588's picture

I must’ve missed what occurred before that Urban was aware of. Because the only thing I’ve seen that Urban was aware of after we’re the compliciations with his marriage/divorce which includes the allegations effecting his performance. Bosses tend to be more lenient on guys they know are having personal issues, that’s not a new thing. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Jsstull's picture

For whatever reason I can't find myself caring about grown men visiting strip clubs. 

I do hate that Urban likely deleted text messages and put up with ZS's bulls*** for so long. Not a wise move at all from a man that should have known better.

O-H-I-O

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Deano's picture

Either not a wise move or a very wise move.  Who knows what content was on that phone - but if he was eager to make sure investigators didn't see it, I am inclined to think it wasn't good.

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Fatpants's picture

College football coaches taking high school football coaches to strip clubs is probably getting close to being in dangerous territory (either real or perceived) with the NCAA. 

PG <3 PG

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johngobuck's picture

Yea deleting the text messages probably a wise move.   I'm sure there was something in there like...  "Oh that guy...well he is an arsehole"...    I can already see something like this.

Other Coach:   What should I say to him
Urban:  Say as little as possible
Other Coach:  why?
Urban:   Cause Drake is a Jerk

Yea pretty sure he wouldn't want all the dirty laundry being aired.   I'm sorry but private conversations should remain private.  

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JCam061588's picture

There is plenty of reasons to not want particular texts to go public. There could have been political discussions, sexual chats with his wife, even an off-hand comment that the media would turn into something completely different. Imagine if there was a convo about CS & Urban sent something like “idk who to believe, she gets to drinking & turns into a nasty bitch”. That gets puts in the report & the headline is URBAN DISMISSES DV VICTIM AS NASTY DRUNK BITCH. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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osu78's picture

While I get that, that is why you have  work phone and personal phone. I've had clients give me a phone while working with them and I did all, and only, official business with them on it. That ensured they could meet record retention requirements and kept personal stuff separate. I would guess someone in as a high profile position as an AD, HC, etc. would do the same, to protect themselves.

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JCam061588's picture

Even with that, there is no guarantee they don’t demand to see both phones.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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osu78's picture

True, but a private phone should still afford you some legal protections; plus you can delete whatever whenever you want. A work phone is completely under the control of an employer or client.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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BuckeyeFan150's picture

Another coach? Maybe Urban? Lolz 

mcdipshit will be digging deep now that he knows this juicy detail. 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Other coaches name probably rhymes with Bom Lerman.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

McMurphy won’t publish anything about that other coach if it was Herman.

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Hovenaut's picture

DJ is missed, but I appreciate the efforts of Kevin and all the current 11W staff - they've busted their chops in doing their best to stay in front of all this the past few weeks. 

Hindsight is, and in, 2020

There are times where the worst thing that can be spread is misinformation

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GareBear's picture

At risk of appearing like a mod-pleaser, I concur.

KH churned out a couple of late pieces following the decision, then recalled everything in the Skully’s compendium for us lazy plebes.

He’s no D.J., but then that ain’t necessarily a bad thing, is it?

Also, rumor has it D.J. went to a strip club once... in Marysville.

Michigan sucks

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Meek's picture

I see that's in italics, but I must point out for others that there are no strip clubs in Marysville, and that is a good thing.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Haha thank you GareBear. Yes, I'm no D.J., but nobody is.

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personally, I enjoy reading sentences that parse

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Dude the Skullies have been great

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cpfanatik77's picture

Agreed! Kevin has done a great job of imitating DJ's style while making it his own. I've been very impressed.

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Smithie's picture

I don't even know if I'd say imitating his style. I'd say, Kevin has done a great job of preserving the spirit and tone of what the Skully is while making it his own.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I assure you, any mimicking is unintentional. If it seems to be written DJ's style, that's probably because I've been reading his words for years, before I was even employed here, and he's been an extremely close friend since I got here. I think we've rubbed off on each other, which is normal.

cpfanatik77's picture

Yeah, that's a great way of putting it, Smithie. The Skullie has rolled on without a hitch, which as Kevin said, is due to the fact that he and DJ have rubbed off on each other having spent so much time together. 

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I appreciate the kind words.

Kevin Harrish's picture

Believe it or not, I miss DJ too. I read his Skully's every day just like you all. 

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Football.  Football.  Football.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

Strip club Visit

I posted this on the "10 Things" article but it is relevant here as well. This also ties to a post I mentioned last week about Zach spending he and his wife's down payment on a house on a particularly long and expensive bender with strippers and hookers.

I am fairly certain this is why we missed out on Christian Kirk.

I was at an event that Zach was supposed to be at. He arrived late from a recruiting visit with Christian Kirk and said that he had been in a car accident with "some mexican guy". Everyone was very worried about him and concerned, while he played it cool and didn't get into too many details. I find out a few weeks later from Courtney/her friends that there was no accident and he blew off the recruiting visit to go to a strip club and lost track of time.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

I’d say that OSU lack of viable passing had something to do with Kirk not coming to OSU.

He chose Texas A&M, who passes the hell out of the ball. Seems his choice was rewarded in that he’s already in the NFL, while our Reveivers have been primarily lambasted for underachieving, poor route running, lack of separation, and drops (as if they never happen in any game), all the while the QB was lauded for his record setting numbers from those same receivers.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

Fair enough, Buckaroo. Going to A&M certainly wasn't a poor choice for Kirk.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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stuckinSouthBend's picture

While I think the penalty is bowing to the pc mob, looking at you Dr. Drake, I am taking the glass half full approach. First, this limbo crap is over. Second, the WR group now has a legitimate leader in Brian Hartline which from the outside looks like a helluva upgrade. Third, we still have our head coach who I wouldn't trade for anyone.

Considering how this could have gone, based on past experience, the cup is half full easily.  My hope is the Urban doesn't finish out his contract and walk, which I couldn't blame him doing. I think he knows that while not everyone in the administration was willing to go the distance with/for him, the Buckeye Nation was, and is still, prepared to.

Scarlett & Gray > Blue and Gold

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Count Chocula's picture

I agree. Also, it gives Day a chance to show his potential as a steady-handed HC. Doesn't hurt if/when Urban retires to know we could potentially promote from within the organization.

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Buckeyeneer's picture

One thing that I learned from the press conference and seeing reports from the media on the findings of the investigative committee, I don't know that we are any closer to defining exactly where a head coach's responsibilities begin and end.

MAYBE its letting compliance know . . . but maybe its not. Gene Smith said that it was his job to do that at the presser. Maybe he was supposed to say no comment when asked about it on B1G media day.

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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johngobuck's picture

""I don't know that we are any closer to defining exactly where a head coach's responsibilities begin and end.""

I have a feeling that even if Gene had reported it to "Compliance" and assuming nothing else had happened they would have just gone even deeper to condemn him for a lack of action.  

It is easy to condemn someone's decision making because hindsight is 20-20.   

Here is what really bothers me though.   Lets say instead of giving Zach the benefit of the doubt Urban Meyer had pulled Zach into his office.  Told him, "Zach I'm going to have to let you go.   I want to believe you but I just can't take that risk".    Then two weeks later Zach nearly beats Courtney to death.   We all damn well know that the same press and the same Ohio State officials would be using the same 20-20 hindsight, Monday Quarterbacking to say that Urban Meyer was reckless when he fired Zach.  And he should have known better in such a sensitive situation, and he shouldn't not have fired Zach because that was like pouring gasoline on the fire.  And he only fired him to protect his butt not caring what harm it might have put Courtney in. blah blah blah.   They would then have said he shouldn't have taken matter into his own hands and should have sent it up the flag pole to his employers cause they would better know how to handle the case.   THE WOULD HAVE SAID HE SHOULD HAVE DONE WHAT HE DID IN 2015.

Bottom line is that Meyer is paying penalties not because of anything Meyer did but mainly for things that Courtney is "accusing" Zack of.   

Meyer was in and still is in a NO WIN situation.  

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BbBnD's picture

Disagree. Look at what happened with Brionte Dunn. No one criticized Meyer for kicking Dunn off of the team for DV when he was charged with kidnapping and rape at a later date.  looks and looked like a good call. 

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Hang On Sloopy's picture

Urban may have gotten a few additional pointers from Coach Belichick on interviews with the media. In the Q & A portion of the presser, i enjoyed Urban saying more than twice 'could you repeat that question please' when i'm pretty sure he heard it.

And the reporter asking him if there's anything he'd like to say to CS..C'mon man

Go Bucks!

"I think angry is the way to play...The best teams i've ever coached, the best players, are the ones who are always trying to prove something." -Urban Meyer

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Melissa's picture

I agree.  Is there anything he’d like to say to CS?! That was a stupid question. Thought Urban handled it well though  

Go Bucks

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GareBear's picture

El Chaleco would likely agree.... but would somehow be able to show his agreement with more words and less meaning. 

Michigan sucks

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Meek's picture

That was a trap question, and Urban is getting blow back from the national media for his answer. I think I'm done checking national media on this for a while. The blow back is from those who maintain that there was DV in this case, so I can't help them out at all. They don't want to know the facts and what has come out since.

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mugbucket's picture

There was another jackass question from the pool that brought Mrs Meyer into the discussion concerning texts - the look on Coaches face told me he'd like to rip the questioners spine out and beat him with it.  Don't mess w/ the wife dude.

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hetuck's picture

1. I don't need to use exhaustion in a sentence; I'm sure none of us want to hear what items can be procured from Amazon again. 

2. Game day forecast is 83 and scattered thunderstorms. Now we can get back to football, guessing at the number of rubber chickens at Game Day in South Bend, and disparaging the accuracy of longe-range forecasts. 

3. Zach's strip club history reminds me of Mike Price. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Jrod214's picture

I'm thankful that it's over. I'm thankful we still have the best coach in the nation. But I'm also thankful that the site didn't crash, and that I'm able to comment again!

"Consistency: It's only a virtue if you're not a screwup." - Despair.com

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Pretty sure it did crash. I was hoping the scully would touch on that. Have to imagine that yesterday shattered the 11w traffic record.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Meek's picture

It crashed for me. With the new servers that had to be a record traffic day. I hope 11w was able to get a record of their attempted page views yesterday by hour.

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brutus0717's picture

At the end of one of the articles there was a box with the traditional request for 12th Warriors. I'm assuming some damage was done yesterday.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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BucksHave7's picture

Glad this is behind us. 

We have the best staff with best roster along w Bama.  This team will run through a wall for Urban.

LETS GO WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP NOW!!!!

BucksHave7

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Meek's picture

This is behind us, but it's not over.

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BucksHave7's picture

What do you mean?   

BucksHave7

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Bucks19's picture

You really don’t understand that?

Oh my bad. Forgot who asked the question. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

My only issue is that the suspension is entirely to appease the national media and internet outrage mob, who are still outraged and not appeased at all. Why do these shithead academics continue to cater to people who will never be satisfied? The report says Urban did not do anything wrong. He reported what needed reported and was willing to fire Smith had evidence been produced. No evidence was produced. Is he supposed to do law enforcements job better than law enforcement?

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Said the same thing on another thread re: OSU. They thought doing this outside independent investigation (which they were not required to do) and suspending the coach and AD would “get them credit” from the media and literally none of that has happened. I’m sure Drake doesn’t understand why everyone hates him, national media included.

And i still have questions about law enforcement—I mean, why did the Powell police never arrest anyone? Why after multiple callouts was there never a DV charge? The Powell police needs to quit hiding behind their “pending investigation” and give some damn answers

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MichiBuck12's picture

Anybody with a brain knew the media and the SJW lynch mob would never be happy. They never are, they are out for blood from anyone and everyone so long as they don't have to actually lift a finger to help with the problems they claim to care about. The fact is, they don't care about DV victims or anyone else. They throw a big fit on the internet about some issue so they can claim to be virtuous, while at the same time ignoring the actual facts and hurting innocent people and in reality making things worse for the people they claim to be standing up for. The police did not find Courtneys claims to be credible, and her own mother says she's lying. The guilty until proven innocent lynch mob going after Urban for not doing anything about highly disputed claims in this manner only serves to make it more difficult for the next actual victim of DV to be believed.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Investigative reports are not subject to disclosure under the sunshine laws, so they aren’t withholding those reports because on ongoing investigation.

One of the things that concerns me in the report is the idea that the coach has to do more than rely on police investigation of alleged crime.  I can tell you from professional experience that police and prosecutors don’t whitewash DV, because if he later kills her everyone will be looking at how past allegations were handled.  

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Mr.GoodKat's picture

An arrest requires probable cause that the crime was committed. In Florida the standard for that is pretty low, the allegation and some indicator of physical violence/threat (along with establishing personal relationship between the parties). Police departments are granted immunity if the arrest is made in good faith but later shows to be incorrect. This often leads to an arrest. Ohio is probably slightly different in it's laws but I'm sure it's not that far off. Not all investigations fit into hour time slots and it sounds like the credibility if those involved led to need of a pattern being developed before action was taken (the injunction being granted).

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Blackbeards Delight's picture

I keep reading “glad it’s over”.  It is if all you wanted to know Is Meyers current situation in regards to coaching. For me, until the Powell police investigation concludes this will truly never be over. What if ZS is charged with DV? What if CS is found to have made false statements? Condemnation or vindication? So for now, I'll continue to hold my judgement either way until that investigation is over. 

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johngobuck's picture

The incident pertaining to Meyer is over two years old.   Don't hold your breath.  As for the stuff this summer who knows.  But it really isn't relevant to Urban Meyer.  

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blueblazer22's picture

This is the crux of the whole issue. Nothing wrong was done, and Urban has been on suspension for weeks already. But, if we say time served or one game, then it looks like we took it easy. If we say two then it comes before TCU. If we say three games, then it seems like something really happened over those 12 hours yesterday. Then again, Urban is allowed to coach leading up to the games, so I guess this is them throwing a bone. 

Now I can just picture Urban in the tunnel during games, with a fake mustache and glasses on a la Bobby Valentine, making the game day decisions anyway. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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GareBear's picture

If we say three games, then it seems like something really happened over those 12 hours yesterday

Something did happen during those 12 hours - Kellogg got his summer reading done. A bit late, but got it done. 

Michigan sucks

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BucknutinNC's picture

MB12,
Its because a vast majority of the academics on all campuses are part of the social justice movement, as a matter of fact they are in many ways responsible for it. Many of the liberal arts degrees (not all, but MANY) are directly in line with the social justice views that we see in the media all the time!

So to answer your question, they placate to those who will never be satisfied because they are a part of those who will never be satisfied.

Sorry! This is a soap box issue of mine!

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Buctor's picture

Happy a decision is announced.  Unhappy Coach is not back sooner.  Still having trouble with the "doing more" comments.

But looking forward to 1 September.

Not looking forward to the bs about this continuing for a really, really long time.

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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mtrotb's picture

Ok Urb, now go 12-0!

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brutus0717's picture

You're a few games short there, my man.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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BucknutinNC's picture

12-0 is a good start! 15-0 is the destination!

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Meek's picture

With a 15-0 season would Urb be 12-0 though with the 3 game suspension? I consider it still to be his team, it will be interesting how the record books show it.

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mtrotb's picture

Day would coach 3 games, Urb 12.  Why are so many having math issues this morning?

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blueblazer22's picture

GEDMatch is a site I was unaware of, but pretty wild that cold cases can now be solved via what is essentially a crowd sharing DNA site. And this wmd ties into one from the recent past, that of Robert Ivan Nichols who killed himself in Ohio under an assumed name. 

On another wmd note from recent times, the story from Sweden about the crime lord killers who ended up being essentially turned in by the one's sister has now been released in English for the first time. I am anxiously awaiting my copy of Jude's to check out her story. 

Oh, and glad the circus is over. I got tired of checking after awhile, but once the Tribe started getting hammered I came back to finally see the suspensions. What a day, but now it is time to play some football. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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BucksHave7's picture

I thought the press conference was well done by Drake, Gene and Urban.  I was impressed with the ownership Drake and Gene took and didnt blame this all on Urban. 

Time to kick ass.  Urban has some extra time to watch game film now and will be well rested. I cant imagine what a distraction Zach Smith was on that staff.

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MountainsAwait's picture

That picture of Tim May in the bushes is hysterical.  Made my day!

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

I was going to say the same thing.

He should use it as his bio pic going forward.

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MN Buckeye's picture

Damn. Just damn.

Anyway, time to move forward.

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BucksHave7's picture

James Franklin now has a pit in his stomach.

BucksHave7

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Bucks19's picture

Bucks - Why do you care about Franklin? PSU is not a rival or threat to us on or off the field, correct?

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BucksHave7's picture

It’s true.  Lotsa PSU alums I know didnt want Urban at that game.

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BucknutinNC's picture

Im not on board with the suspension either, basically because of what Buckeyeneer is saying. I feel as if Urban did what he was supposed to do, the report and the committee confirmed as much. If anyone failed anywhere it was in failing to inform compliance and Gene said himself that was is fault as he was the first to be informed.

However I'm even confused about that now because apparently Gene was informed by the director of the Title IX office? If thats true, isnt that the compliance department that they were supposed to inform in the first place? And if so, then that means compliance already knew before Gene or Urban, and should have investigated all of this 3 years ago and found all this crap out then and saved us all the trouble! If you want to hold somebody accountable I would say that would be a good place to start!

Either way, the only thing Urban is guilty of is giving the grandson of his beloved mentor to many second chances for immature bullshit, and not being able to separate his relationship with Earle and how he was dealing with his grandson. Not an offense that fireable for Urban, in my opinion its not even worth suspending him. Drake and the BOT suspended him to appear to be doing the right thing to the media and to hopefully spare the school of anymore scrutiny. THEY FAILED MISERABLY! They should have stood up to the media for their blatant vilification of Meyer and painting OSU as a broken University with a cultural problem. They should have supported Meyer and backed him up by reinstating him immediately. They should have filed lawsuits against the people who have been reporting false narratives and defaming the University and Meyer!

Unfortunately they didn't have the integrity and intestinal fortitude to actually do what was right! Instead they did what they thought would look right to the media and the social mob!

Im glad its over, but I'm disappointed and disheartened by the lack of justice in this decision. Also in the lack of bravery from the BOT and Drake to stand up to the smear campaign by the media!

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73buckeye's picture

Agree NC. I can't believe Urban sat there in that stupid press conference and was made to look like a little kid going to  a timeout. $38 Million is a bunch of money to walk away from, but I bet he thought about it long and hard before buckling to Drake. The media will never let this go and the suspension and the circus around it will be remembered long after the report saying Urban did nothing wrong is forgotten. 

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Meek's picture

I don't think either was happy with where this landed, Drake or Urban.

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johngobuck's picture

NC, that is a really good point and I verified it.  Got this summary from some espn twitter reporter hack.

"The 2015 Powell police investigation into Zach Smith first was reported to Ohio State's deputy Title IX coordinator, then Gene Smith, then Urban Meyer. Meyer told Zach Smith "if you hit her, you're fired." Gene Smith told Zach if charges are filed, you're fired."

So if Ohio State Title IX knew about it....     This just backs up a point someone higher up above made about "Still not knowing where the coaches responsibilities end and start".    I mean does Urban have to personally check in on ALL Ohio State employees and make sure they are doing everything they can about God knows what.    

For me this just comes back to this point.    At the end of the day people aren't happy about how things turned out.  And Urban and Gene Smith are being made into scape goats.   Ohio State knew, the police knew, Title 9 knew, and I BET "compliance" knew as well.  But they all decided to take a wait and see approach and now they are unhappy with how that turned out.   

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TXNut2488's picture

This^^^ Literally everyone above Meyer knew about this but somehow he's the one getting the worst of it. I get it, he's the big name, blah blah blah...but this report did absolutely nothing to help Meyer's case (not that it should have, but it seems poorly done considering the time and money put into it). You spent 500k and over 2 weeks and the only information you really got was that ZS likes strip clubs and Urban doesn't know how to use an iPhone?

You interviewed 40 people and can't mention ONCE in the report whether or not CS is credible? This whole thing makes no sense and the SJW and media mobs are eating it up.

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0H-10's picture

Boards are among the lowest forms of leadership that exist; Institutional boards - may be even lower; Academic Boards - perhaps lower still; but as I am learning this past month, the Board of a State/public Academic Institution, presided over by anyone from New York and/or California, which is seeking to appease both the 'global media' and the 'social justice warrior' to protect the institution's reputation, profit margins, and endowment funds by employing old lawyers & politicians must be among the supreme examples of the 'lowest order' of the beast, just slightly above Congress.  

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0H-10's picture

And, is that Brady Hoke in the header pic?

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NC82Buckeye's picture

I do not agree with the suspension, or the “doing more” comment. This should have always been a matter between Zach,Ex wife and police END OF STORY. If my boss would ever stick his nose in my personal life (if it does not hamper) my work life, he** to pay. 

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Ronnie's picture

I am so happy coach is staying, but the suspension may hurt our first 3 opponents more. I almost feel sorry for TCU. Coach will have been back at practice for a couple weeks, but won’t be at the game. So he won’t be able to input any conservativeness into the play calling. Day and Wilson going to open this offense up and might drop 70 on the frogs. 

Boom! Boom!

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Poco Loco's picture

What is the over/under on how long the media outrage lasts?

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Squirrel Master's picture

Depends, when is the next scandal that causes faux media outrage?

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

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Zimmy07's picture

Big one brewing that could very quickly take all eyes off of Columbus if I’m reading things right.

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TXNut2488's picture

What you talking about? A&M?

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PhillyNut's picture

Until a month after Meyer retires

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Meek's picture

It will last through OSU winning the National Championship Playoff.

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Yobuck's picture

What does get my eyebrows raising just a little bit is that first line that reads "along with another OSU football coach."

coombs was in *ichigan and Ohio 

johnson mostly east coast

herman texas

Meyer all over

gonna need to ponder but does make you think this coach is still employed by someone

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Buckeyeneer's picture

Please let it be Herman

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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Squirrel Master's picture

Ever been to a strip club in Miami? Doesn't take much to spend $600. Just walking in and out to use the bathroom could run you $150! He might have got the prime rib buffet while he was there.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

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BainbridgeBuckeye's picture

So glad this is finally resolved! Would have liked to see Urban back to work immediately, but not surprised by the suspensions. Kudos to Eleven Warriors keeping things rolling along yesterday. That must have felt like trying to get cats to march in a parade all day..;)) Now it's time to really start to get excited about football... I did my first ESPN college picks last night and it felt sweet to pick Notre Dame for the win... I'm not one of those people who feels we should root for TTUN to help the Big Ten. :)

We didn't lose the game.. we just ran out of time.  Vince Lombardi

 

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

How about a scouting report on Oregon St? What type of offense do they run? Star players? Base defense? Fuck all these articles about that clown show it's over.

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O-H Kee Pa's picture

Since Urban is the CEO of the program, I don’t necessarily disagree with the suspension considering ZS got 17 lives. That said, the juxtaposition of, “No legal or university guidelines were broken, BUT...” is maddening. From Drake to Urban, everyone had a role in this.

My concern going forward, as others have noted: this isn’t going away. Whether it’s McFuckface using the next couple of weeks as an opportunity to launch more arrows at a university/program that is already in a delicate place, or this expediting Urban’s departure, we’re talking about huge power players who don’t forget easily.

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WezBuck28's picture

No disrespect to Earl Bruce, but I'm glad that Smith is gone, and we can move away from that tool..seems like a troubled soul that I would not want my children hanging around and learning from..

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FROMTHE18's picture

save yourself some stress today and stay away from media outlets. Did a quick glance over coffee and holy hell are there some morons with microphones out there. 

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Because Ohio State predictably fucked the PR up.

They sent a confusing message that everyone is interpreting as Urban Meyer did a DV victim wrong.

I have no training in PR but I could have done a better job.

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GallowayGambleGinnWAR7's picture

We knew this would happen--Greenberg, Rose and that woman who looks like her face got bashed in with a board on "Get Up" are poking holes in the presser and punishment.

I don’t see it.

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PhillyNut's picture

I am amazed at the level of stupidity being waged by the national media on Meyer "still not getting it" with regards to Courtney Smith. First off nothing else has been uncovered that changes the fact that Zach was never charged with DV. What is Meyer supposed to do, apologize to her for her marrying a douche bag? And they can rant on anything they want but the reality is that without a guarantee of no lawsuit being filed by her if someone apologizes for whatever it is these idiots want him to publicly apologize for it is not happening, the Ohio State lawyers and his personal lawyers are ensuring that. The one thing Meyer could and should apologize for, and did somewhat weakly, is for ever hiring Zach at Ohio State and for not booting him at Florida in 2009. But that is clearly something that Courtney did not want to have happen.

In the court of public opinion and with the media there was no way for Meyer to win on this one. I think even if he had been fired the media would still be roasting him. I have a strong feeling Meyer walks away after this year.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Looks like Ramzy is on board the “they were lenient” train 

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lamplighter's picture

Wow, big surprise

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Don't agree with a suspension for Urban, but he is still the football coach at The Ohio State University.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Also, if you want to listen to some self-congratulations on a local radio show, I would encourage you to tune in to Common Man and T-Bone

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buck__luv's picture

Soooo...did the investigation determine if Courtney Smith was a victim of domestic violence or not? I mean the committee said it wasn’t enough for Urban to rely on the police to make the determination, so did they find out if there was or not?  All media outlets are still referring to her as an abused victim and are outraged no apology has been made to her....

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TXNut2488's picture

Nope, not a single thing...500k and over two weeks time to report things that could have been found out about in 3 days...The more I read the report, the more I think they really f-ed it up.

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Seattle Linga's picture

Brighter days ahead - looking forward to kickoff in 9 days. 

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

So, Coach Meyer loses six weeks of pay and is suspended until September 2nd and also can't coach the first three games while Gene Smith slips away relatively unscathed. Must be nice to be BFFs with the University President. Gene Smith knew about the 2015 allegations before Coach Meyer and really took no action other than interrupting Zach Smith's tours of strip clubs on the recruiting circuit. 

Wish that we could move on now but the media won't stop until they find out who the "other" OSU coach was at the strip club. Disappointed in the final decision but Drake just wanted to cover his own behind, I guess.

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Man, that $100k loan article was depressing. We're the most wealthy country on Earth yet we vote for politicians who make rules such that the rich get richer and the middle class is forced into debt and servitude.

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BrutusB's picture

She got a BA and an MA in English Lit.  My sympathy is extremely limited.  We need to drop the notion that everyone should go to whatever college they want and study whatever they want (or if you do, don't complain about the cost afterwards).  I went to a state school (OSU, obviously) and got an Accounting degree and had a job lined up well before graduating, then paid my loans off within 5 years.

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pghbuckeye's picture

Ohio against the world.....and the world is going to need some help.

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spiBuckeye's picture

It's over. Coach is back. He's human and made some mistakes, let's move on.

Football in 8 days!!

Go Bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!

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O-H Kee Pa's picture

Feel free to talk me off the ledge: national media now has three more weeks to keep Urban off OSU’s sidelines for good. More bombshell reporting (true or not, doesn’t matter at this point), get OSU to reconsider whether they want Urban to be the national face of the university through January 2019.

Fire him before week 4, pay him his $38M, national media says “OSU finally gets it,” and rehab the image with Matt Campbell. I don’t think that this is as crazy as it sounds, but I’d be happy for someone to tell me that I’m being a dumb ass.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

The national media will never say “OSU finally gets it”. Never.

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AzBuck50's picture

Bowing to media pressure would be a weak move. I don't think Rece Davis or Paul Finebaum should be the one initiating coaching changes. Basically Urban was too loyal to Earle and that's about it. Zach Smith is the one I am pissed at. To get an opportunity to coach major college football, and be so careless and dumb about it, is beyond me. If it was any other guy, he would and should have been gone years ago. 

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johngobuck's picture

I really don't think I would ever want any of my kids being a celebrity or even a star athlete.   In addition to all the pressure to win and to make everyone happy they also have to put up with the press.  If any of my kids ever becomes a superstar athlete I think I would tell them to simply not talk to the press.   Or if they do just smile, say something nice to the reporter, and keep moving.   I'd even put it into the contract that "I don't have to talk to the press" and take a slight pay cut.   I think most of these guys just want to play ball.  And I think the coaches just want to coach.   

It isn't just what happened here.   The way the press treats these kids.  Pumps them up.  Tears them down.  The daily even if innocent enough fan chats about their teams on the radio.   OK so Bill Buckner let a ball get through his legs.  Get over it people.....  

I'd think I'd rather my (lol pretending here) superstar son just play ball on some pick up game and ball out then make millions trying to entertain people.   It takes a special kind of person to put up with all the judgement.  

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gunin2012's picture

To be honest with you I’ve spent many sleepless nights fighting in areas of the world I’d rather forget. This is a pile of PC BS so high I can’t imagine that this is the freedoms I fought for. Regardless of opinions and your own personal feelings I’ve come to realize I don’t really give a damn what anyone thinks about the Buckeyes and my beloved state. My football coach did no wrong in my eyes in fact he’s just that much more respected. Everyone keeps wanting this black and white answer when the bottom line is we live in a world of grey. Perfectly enough this grey world includes my scarlet and grey and for anyone who is against us fine, you’ve chosen your side now prepare to be carried home on your shields because Buckeye Nation it is now us against the world and in this case that is a bad thing for the rest of  college football. O-H/ GO BUCKS/ Urban 4

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BuckeyeBoy_2004's picture

I - O

Go Bucks

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johngobuck's picture

I think as consumers we need to start sending a message to the national media that we are tired of lies, speculation, and are tired of trying to be manipulated.   If you guys don't think this is all about the press (who is supposed to report the news) trying to manipulate people then you aren't paying attention.  I don't care if it is people talking about hollywood stars and what they wore last night, politics, or even sports reporting.   The press is constantly trying manipulate us....

It has gotten to a point where I almost feel like I would be much better off simply being completely "uniformed".  Truth is dead.   

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bucksfan92's picture

My favorite thing of all this is Tim May "taking some shade" under the cover of a Buckeye Tree!

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WoodlandsBuckeye's picture

I was a freshman at OSU when Earl Bruce was fired.  We loved and hated 9 and 3 Bruce (I recall the "noose Bruce" chants in my dorm after a under performing loss that year).  But the man was 100% scarlet and gray - no one loved the university more.

That said, I feel that a main root cause of this situation is Earl and his allegiance to an unworthy family member over the University.
His grandson was the glaring symptom, but the reason it got to this point - where the University and the Meyer's reputation are somewhat tarnished in the eyes of many - has Earl's fingerprints all over it.

My belief is that Earl was a bright enough man to know that his grandson's coaching skills were not to the level necessary at OSU.
My belief is that Earl was aware of the character of his grandson and that it was not up to the standards of OSU.
My belief is that Earl knew that Urban saw him as a mentor and father figure (Urb's own words) and knew his influence level on Meyer's decision making process with Zach.

Earl had the opportunity to "release" Meyer from the tacit obligation to retain Earl's grandson, to say "hey Urban, it kills me to say this, but you need to do what's right for your team and the university - make your own decision on Zach and I'll support you."

I believe if he had done this, we wouldn't be here today.

I know I'm speculating about an OSU legend and someone who otherwise showed nothing but integrity and high character.  
I certainly don't want to tear down his legacy.  But I can't help but feel this was a character flaw that hurt the current coach and the University he loved so dearly.  I don't fault him as I've got enough personal character flaws and life failures to fill the stadium twice.

Just my thoughts driving in to work today on this whole episode.

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ARMYBUCK's picture

Wow,  This is an excellent comment.  I would have to agree on all counts.  I appreciate the honesty and humility at the end.  I too could fill that stadium. 

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blu.fan's picture

Well thought out post.

It makes me wonder . . . what do you think would have happened with this whole mess if Bruce were still alive?

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ARMYBUCK's picture

One of the worst parts about this whole thing is, it seems, the validity of Courtney Smith's accusations don't actually matter?? Granted, I haven't seen the whole report but...I don't even know what to say.  GO BUCKS

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I read it, it doesn’t address the validity of her claims and leaves the impression her claims were valid.  Which means Mc Murphy and the media are free to stay on their soap box.

Well played, Ohio State.

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BuckDroid's picture

Listening to Sports talk radio in Nashville this morning was nothing short of amazing. Every vile word they had for OSU made me laugh. Yesterday, their uninformed, espn party line takes, felt like momentum being added to the Meyer head-hunt, but this morning, all I heard was the frustrated whining of the irrelevant and impotent. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to send some OSU themed tissue boxes to 102.5, and 104.5 here in Nashville.  Good day.

Nope, Not the Whole Damn State!

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stpetebuck's picture

Who is the featured #9 warrior?  Or is that tomorrow?

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LaceyBuckeye's picture

WHAT A DAY YESTERDAY WAS! lol All those recaps made me chuckle.. Yesterday it made me nervous.. LOL

Oh My. I will never forget yesterday for the rest of my life. lol From Tennessee (whatever his name was) showing up, to the pizza guy... Papa John's at that.. lol The Reporters in bushes, Players on Scooters in the parking lot, people dressed like sons of anarchy going in and out of the Longaberger alumni  house to pee.. lol

And yes.. TTUN still sucks! lol

Sorry I had to make light of this. <3

=D

Go Buckeyes! #TeamUrban..

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