Can’t tell if this is positive or negative? Would this just be done already!!!!
positive.. if they didn't meet with urban meyer that would show they just didn't care what he had to say which would have me worried.
How can you be so sure of that based on the above article? Would love to hear your opinion as to why not meeting with an alleged person involved with the investigation makes any sense in this case???
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Definitely positive that they met with him 2 or more times. If he did something clearly wrong it wouldn’t matter what he had to say because the proof would speak for him. They had to meet and cover every angle and if they didn’t find anything then they can say with certainty the matter is closed.
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Too bad others apparently don't like devil's advocate questions...Oh well. Thanks again...
To be clear, the "more than twice" is not the same number as "2 or more times."
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Ok...if that helps you define it that’s fine lol.
It is important because they needed to know his frame of mind at the time these events took place. There is no way Urban could know, just like nobody really knows, what happened between Z and C. So I think they want to know what Urban thought about the allegations, the almost arrest, the police visits to the house, and lots of other stuff probably not public information at this time. There might have been lots of reasons for Meyer to doubt C and have reservations about firing Z. In my mind the only thing they should be worried about is how he handled the situation. Was he not proactive enough? Did he tell his superiors? What did he ask and say to Z. Perhaps there are even more text messages we don't know about.
I just don't believe if Meyer had a credible reason to believe Z was abusing C he would not act. Because at that point you have everything to lose and nothing to gain.
Either guess is nothing but confirmation bias. You can read it as "they came back at him to grill him after learning other things" or as "They gave him every chance to air his side of the story on each point."
I think it's positive too, as I say below. If they're meeting multiple times, and if their respective legal teams have been in constant contact, then they're likely negotiating, and to me it's far more likely they're "feeling out" what is a fair punishment and what Urban would be OK with. Just my gut, of course.
"More than twice" suggests that the committee is investigating someone other than Urban, and they want Urban to clarify at least 3 times regarding the other person. What other person? Gene Smith? Michael Drake?
Interesting, hadn’t thought of that.
1st meeting they cleared him.
The next meetings they wanted the inside scoop on this year's TTUN gameplan.
Really?!? The met with Urban more than twice, I'm shocked! "/s"
Seriously though, is this even news? Did anyone think they wouldn't have talked to him and his attorney more than once or twice?
I think it is neither pos or neg it is simply sensible.... they gather info and as they get new info which may create new questions.... the point of the investigation is Meyer and what he did and how he handled it, so it would make sense he would have to answer more questions as they gathered more info... lets face it there are people involved who want Meyer to pay along with Zach...as we have heard stated either directly or indirectly
But if there was evidence clearly showing he did something wrong, why meet at all? That’s the opinion being expressed at least.
It's positive, if what you want is the truth. Because Urban obviously is critical to understanding what the truth is.
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The committee is about discovery of facts and about fleshing out and structuring the timeline that involves all of those concerned. They aren't going interpret or speculate if they don't have to, nor are they going to deliver half@ss opinions/judgments about real people's real lives as might I do from the comfort of a phone laptop or pc. I regard it as something like a series of interviews just as the way police might conduct a thorough and fair investigation.... I think it sounds and looks good for all those concerned, particularly given the lack of due process for the guy saddled right away by much of the media for having failed to do the right thing by society even though years had already gone by without there having been a resolution to those other ppl's marital conflict. Misspeaking, or whatever, to/with the media ought to be another matter entirely if the guy is discovered not to have done wrong otherwise.
In and of itself it is neither, it could be one or the other, but probably leans positive. Just because it gives chances for clarification and confirmations. If they found reason that he was lying consistently or his stories were inconsistent they would not bother with him early on.
So, lean positive but that they would talk to the main person being investigated a bunch is not super shocking.
It's positive in respect to myer being reinstated. They are likely discussing the penalty phase and conditions for myer when he gets his job back. If one believes the dispatch that time served and maybe a suspension is being discussed this makes sense. Both sides legal teams are negotiating. That means the committee is out of the conversation, they don't have a legal team, they are one in many regards. Osu wants a suspension for myer, because of the storm that enveloped the university because of myer's subordinate. Myer doesn't want a suspension because he doesn't feel he warrants one, since he allegedly reported zs's dv issue in a timely manner. But with myer being the head man, and ultimately the one responsible for his assistants, osu wants a suspension for all of the negative publicity that zs's actions have created as assistant coach under myer. This has developed into much more than just the dv issue, since the investigation started and even many osu fans think it has turned into a circus. It doesn't come down to what myer knew about zs's actions in all of this, especially if he denied knowing anything other than what he reported, in osu's eyes, the head coach should have known what was going on under his watch. As the head man, the buck stops on his desk and osu wants to hold him responsible as such, hence the ongoing negotiations.
BFD, Im sure there are a number of people who met with them multiple times. Gene Smith should have been questioned more than anyone if you ask me. As in, every time they finished with one person, he got called in to clarify his previous remarks, which were just debunked by the person he passed on the way back in to the investigators office
Could you please explain to everyone why Gene Smith is a liar? And why you seem to be more decidedly pissed at Gene Smith for some reason than Zach Smith?
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Sure can. It goes back to the press conference with Coach Tressel, about the tats. I watched it live, also had the DVR set. When a reporter asked a question to Coach Tressel about reporting the info that Cicero told him, he started to answer and Smith jumped in and wouldnt let Tressel answer, because it was an "ongoing investigation". I believe that Coach Tressel told Gene Smith about what he knew and Smith told him to sign the NCAA compliance report anyway. Smith walked and Coach Tressel, as they say in the military, fell on the sword for The Ohio State University.
At some point in time, the truth will come out about that. But as it stands right now, I dont trust Gene Smith.
How dare he protect Ohio State like that!
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That’s interesting. Makes me wonder how far outside the 2015 allegations they went. Seems unlikely they would need to bring him back multiple times for one alleged incident.
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Exactly, and this is why I'm not as sure as some others that this is a positive thing. Admittedly, as this whole circus has gotten messier and more depraved, I've slid closer to the idea that Urban may not survive this. OSU has never been in the business of protecting coaches. Even though most of this has nothing to do with Urban at all, it has made the school look bad, and the BoT has a vastly different perspective than fans who want their coach back. I hope like hell they keep him, but this report doesn't necessarily make me feel all warm and fuzzy. Damn, I can't wait until this shot is over!
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I'm not sure if this is a good or bad aspect when considering this case. Were they bringing him back in so many times in order to clarify or was he brought back in because the facts changed. Not sure how to take this...
Today we know virtually what we knew yesterday. Nothing. Curious if any leaked information or details before morning. Will be interesting. Hoping my head coach is smiling in the morning. Ready to pay the price and move forward. Ready to get back to work. Go Buckeyes !
Seems like a weird way to phrase that.
Well , we knew it’d be at least once.
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I take it as a good sign that both sides are working together to resolve the issue? I doubt there's that much communication if OSU is planning/hoping to fire him.
My thought exactly. If they found some concrete reason to fire him they'd just fire him.
I doubt there's that much communication if OSU is planning/hoping to fire him.
Unless it is to negotiate a settlement
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The investigators are not negotiating a settlement.
The investigators are not negotiating a settlement.
If OSU were negotiating a buyout of Urban's contract, it seems unlikely he would meet with them more than once. His lawyer(s) would take over. But wouldn't such monetary negotiations be with OSU, and not the investigators (fact-finders)?
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2378, this is the investigative committee, not the resolution negotiation committee. They are gathering evidence and testimony, which may be used for or against.
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Glad they weren’t afraid to pull people in more than once to make sure they got the story straight.
Otherwise, still on pins and needles.
Why would they be afraid to?
No idea how to read into this. Maybe we shouldn't try.
Pray for potatoes with a hoe in your hand.
We shouldn't try. Everyone's trying to read into the tiniest details and it's getting ridiculous.
He was the focus of this investigation and they needed questions answered. They asking him questions. That's not surprising.
Makes sense. I'm sure both legal teams have been in contact, likely "negotiating" the possible terms of the punishment, if any. This is likely a good sign - if they're negotiating terms of a possible reinstatement, then a firing is likely not in the cards, which is what most of us have been thinking and hoping for.
But wasn't this just the investigation? The committee wouldn't be involved with any type of punishment. That would fall to the judge, in this case, the board of trustees and Drake.
Yes but article says “both sides’ legal teams...” - my guess is they’re discussing scenarios as evidence/testimony comes to light. “What’s a reasonable punishment (if any) based on what we know?” “What would Urban accept?” Etc
Just my gut feeling.
This clearly means he's going to be suspended for EXACTLY 11 quarters and fuck you if you dont understand that.
Relax dude. Take it easy man.
The dude abides.
You win with people.
So, your saying for $2.75?
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MORE than twice?? So like three times?? FOUR?
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- So, logically--
- If Urban weighs the same as a duck...
- He's made of wood.
- And therefore?
- A witch!
Sounds about right.
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Positive in my point of view. Ensuring Urban gets his point across and can make his case. Board being thorough is nice to see as well
Come on Dispatch. "At least twice" would have been a little bit better #phrasing.
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I can't say I like the sounds of steady communication between the sides’ legal teams has continued. This sounds like a negotiation, which means some form of punishment or dismissal/buyout. I hope I'm wrong and just paranoid.
Take a Xanax and chill bro
This what I’ve heard so far. Urban followed protocol to by the letter & was very diligent after that. As a result, they don’t have any real grounds to fire him or suspend him. However, to appease the masses the univeristy wants him to take a small suspension for PR sakes. He however is against that, because in his eyes he’s already been punished unjustly & Ang more punishment would this implicate that he had made missteps beyond poorly handling questions at B1G media day.
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I am always skeptical when someone says “I heard” without Any source info on the net. That said, sadly, this is plausible, sort of. It makes zero sense to say we want you to serve a suspension to appease others-the suspension would be for misconduct of some sort. I suppose they could say a suspension “is for misleading statements at a press conference which resulted In this whole fiasco and a $500k bill.” To me, though, that sets a dangerous precedent going forward. But here is the key point—any suspension will have to come with a public explanation as the underlying basis. If it isn’t what I said, what is the basis, from “what you have heard?”
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
If everyone misleading the media gets suspended, we'd have no one left in DC to run the country.
The only way him serving any suspension would be due to the mishandling of big10 media day. Anything more would indicate issues that would only warrant more significant discipline. How can he keep his reputation (from each opinion) if he did nothing wrong and reported it. IMO this situation doesn't lend especially if they don't spell out what is additional suspension For?
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The only way him serving any suspension would be due to the mishandling of big10 media day.
I agree with you here, FSR. I know a lot of comments have stated Meyer is just a football coach, but he is really more than that. He is an ambassador of the university, one of if not the most recognizable face of tOSU and the expectations for someone with his salary are far reaching and certainly extend off the field - speaking to his handling B1G media day, not serving as a marriage counselor. He didn't handle the presser well and it has reflected poorly on the university. For these reasons I can reasonably see a suspension. With that said, who knows, I am excited, however, that all of this should wrap soon.
The fact that they are asking Urban, who did nothing wrong, to take a suspension for "PR sake" makes me so angry. That is so wrong. After this is over, we need to fire everyone in the PR department (or if one doesn't exist, create one to handle situations like this a lot better). The university handled this so poorly, much like they did the Tressel fiasco.
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Let's remember Urban created the PR mess, by his very non-PR 101 responses at media day.
I am NOT saying that means he should be suspended -- like most, I'm waiting for the committee -- but let's not forget that, in the best case scenario, his statements at media were a bungled mess. Maybe he should have been better prepped by a PR department, maybe not, but you can't lay all of this on the PR department.
You are right on with the Tressel fiasco reference. I hope history doesn't rear it's ugly head and we get a repeat.
As I think more about the Tressel/Meyer connection... Gene Smith.
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The fact that they are......
Where did you get that fact ? Speculation and wondering. Until we know - we shouldn't guess. The actual facts should answer all questions. We need to wait.
If it's a suspension... they don't ask. They tell.
Myer may have done nothing wrong, but his little buddy was a terror on wheels. THAT'S what the suspension will be for. He may not have known what zs was up to at all times, but with everything that has come out, he should have been aware of it. He is responsible for letting zs run amuck. At the very least, his penalty will be for 'not knowing' what zs was doing, when as the head man, that is part of his job. It's similar to institutions getting penalized for lack of institutional control. There comes a point where one can't say, I didn't know, because at some point, with all of the instances, if you are in control of the program, you should have known. His allegiance to zs and by proxy to EB is his downfall in this case. In other words, by keeping zs around all of these years, myer brought this upon himself. As the head man, he is the one that will be penalized for zs actions. As he should be.
Who are these masses I keep hearing about? Are the big money boosters or are they season ticket holders? Is it the alumni or current students? Cause if it’s not, I’m not Karen.
I don’t see it.
Or as information was received from the other people involved, they brought Urban back in to discuss it.
You are wrong because you don’t understand the process. Committee is gathering facts through their investigation which will be presented to Drake & Trustees, almost certainly in a written report. It isn’t even clear if the Committee will make a recommendation. Then Drake and Trustees will take the report and decide the course of action to take. It is not surprising to bring Meyer back multiple times. Ideally, you start with Meyer. Someone comes in and gives a different version of events. You bring Meyer back in for clarification. Same thing happens again. You bring him back for clarification. Rinse, wash, repeat. The committee is not negotiating anything. If said negotiation ever happened/happens, it would be between Meyer, his counsel, and University officials.
Urban wouldn't be negotiating a buyout with the investigative group. He would do that with the university,
Sweet avatar. Papa Emeritus could probably turn this mess into a damn fine bit of music.
Read the article though - it says “both sides’ legal teams” have been in contact.
Hmm hmm, yeah, and? Legal teams do other things besides negotiate, and they never negotiate with some who has not authority to do so.
Not really. In court cases, both sides witnesses are deposed, sometime returned for further clarification. It only speaks to thoroughness, and not much else.
Are people literally still talking about a buyout? Are you actually being serious.. that ship sailed 2 weeks ago.
OK, I get that Bakerjon's post is an overly paranoid reading of the situation, but how is this grounds for being downvoted to oblivion?
Can't wait for this being over and people returning to normal on here.
Agree with this. It's a valid viewpoint whether you agree with it or not. Deep breaths, everyone...
Because if a buyout was happening they likely would've done it shortly after they put him on administrative leave. I'd say a buyout is probably the least likely course of action here considering what we've heard.
I don't disagree with your stance at all, just pointing out that he shouldn't be downvoted for having a differing opinion.
I actually didn't downvote him. I highly disagree with his stance but no DVs here.
It’s not valid. The committee is not deciding or negotiating the punishment.
No, but “both sides’ legal teams” have been in contact. I interpret that as POSSIBLE discussing/negotiating - but of the terms of the reinstatement, not a buyout.
I’m sure OSU is at least interested in knowing what Urban would be OK with as far as the terms.
If you aren't paranoid, you aren't paying attention.
I don't know who coined that phrase, but he had a mighty fine hat.
The committee has nothing to do with the punishment side of things. They are simply investigating what did or didn’t happen. Relax
Looking at the committee, I see prosecutors on the list of people. That's what they'll do. Also prosecutors make deals and recommend to the decider or judge.
I believe this committee will make a recommendation one way or another.
Also there is a board member on the investigation team to go between.
Paranoid viewpoint yes, but I'd get ready for Meyer to be let go. Rather be surprised the other way.
"At least twice" sounds like my standard response. lol
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I’ve read this article “more than two times”...which is “more than two times” as many times as the times I’ve read other articles about this investigation. Holy crap math is hard. I think I just travelled through time.
Hopefully by the end of this week....
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Sounds like they are negotiating a settlement for Meyer to walk away or a equitable suspension that all parties can accept. But, I would be surprised by nothing in this saga. We'll know soon enough.
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Don’t be surprised with a “time-served” penalty & a fine for misrepresenting OSU at the B1G media day. Beyond that, I’ve heard the univeristy has nothing on him & he has overwhelming support from the people who hold the real power behind the scenes.
Do you have a source other than the Dispatch?
I think he does... Just from following his posts the last 3 weeks.
"To The House"
Reliable? Not trying to be a doubter, just getting a bit antsy.
I have no idea.. Look at his old posts.. Appears he has an inside guy..
Just did. Looks well connected.
Ill alllke myself to be cautiously optimistic, but still not celebrating yet.
me too.. ha
& he has overwhelming support from the people who hold the real power behind the scenes.
That would be us here at 11W, no?
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Just the members of the premium lounge...
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Thank you JCam!
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Now you tell me.
Yeah, BlockO, actually after responding to the post way up above, then I see the post down below.
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Most recent news suggests board is recommending a suspension & Meyer is resistant to any suspension so negotiations are happening. I think your suggestion is what Meyer things, but the board/committee thinks more time is warranted.
And Meyer wouldn't be negotiating a buyout with the investigative committee anyway, that would be with the Trustees/Pres/AD. What is so hard about this? You think the investigators will meet with Zach and Courtney Smith but not Urban?
Sounds like they are negotiating a settlement for Meyer to walk away or a equitable suspension
The committee was formed to investigate, not negotiate.
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This is at least the third person with the ridiculous negotiating logic. I have been avoiding other sports threads as to avoid driving myself crazy, but I am gonna have to add the comments sections here to that list. I am shocked at how many have no idea how things work in certain segements of our society. Again, the commiittee is only investigating and doesn’t have authority to negotiate anything. That is what was meant by “independent investigation committee.” Good lord people.
I think you're all wrong. The investigation team has probably "negotiated" many times last week as to what was for lunch.. Chipotle for the win!!!
This committee is investigating what happened. They are not involved with any punishment or buyout.
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Well, he's on the table and he'and he's going to code, I don't think that anybody knows what the ---- we're doing here.
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Meeting a few times on something like this wouldn't be unwarranted. They get his initial story, ask him the questions they want, etc. Then they interview others, which leads to either additional questions or points they want clarity on.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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I consider this a good sign. Urban easlily could have left after the 1st meeting saying "F*ck you, F*ck you, F*ck you, YOU'RE COOL, F*ck You!"
LOL.... I can’t see that happening.
Christmas Vacation style?
Half Baked style.
Well, Clark Griswold was less crass, but you get the idea!
Have single malt ready to go for the reinstatement!!
2 game suspension w immediate reinstatement seems a good guess. This team is going to destroy opponents!!!
Have seen this before, but not clear how a suspension of coach (if thst’s what Happens) correlates with this team destroying people. Sounds good though...
Ohio Against the World. Already getting that in the players' heads.
Sad that you’ve forgotten Kosta already.
Are you really comparing the death of a teammate to a multi-millionaire on paid leave for 3 weeks? Maybe it is just me, but I think those things are a little different.
Its ok. Guessing you never played football before? A team leveraging adversity to put itself first is a powerful thing. What the focker is your point anyway?
Have you played CFB?
The team is talented and likely very angry about this. We saw an angry OSU team against MSU last year and it was a bloodbath for Sparty. Let's stop pretending like McMurphy just sentenced them to a 6-win season in the mold of 2011. Day has had the players 100% focused on football during this saga and has protected them from the media (for good reason regardless of what Doug Lesmerises says). I think regardless of what happens here they're in for a great season. It's beyond this year that worries me if Meyer is fired.
If he’s not fired for handling the situation improperly, I’m not sure what he’d be suspended for
This has got to be emotionally draining on the man
It. Is. Time.
It has been on me, can't imagine UFM's emotions.
Reinstate fully! Move forward towards Oregon State.
Wash, Rinse, and repeat.
If they’re being “thorough” as they claim it only makes sense he’d be called upon. Multiple meetings maybe to recheck his cell phone for any hidden folders with the heading “dick pics from crazy asst coach”. Not a shock that the admin are caving under public scrutiny, that duck won’t hunt with Urban and his lawyer(s).
I assume each meeting was somehow related to an investigation into our kickoff coverage for two thirds of last year.
“Urban, I want to talk about the coverage against Penn State again. Walk us through where this goes wrong. Cue the tape to the 1second mark of the opening kickoff...”
That's funny, right thar.
The second meeting probably started with, "So, you learned your lesson not to kick to Barkley, and then you let this huge linebacker-type blocker with 6.6 speed almost return one later in the same game. We've gotta ask, WTF???"
This is some funny shit right here.
This floating certain scenarios to the media to see how they play in public is frickin' bs.
Make a fair/insightful/judicious/wise/intelligent decision and put your ((( big boy ))) pants on and accept the "consequences"!
I'm guessing this would be a normal process... bring Urban into the interview the first time to hear his side of the story. Continue to interview others, research the paperwork, then bring him back in to refocus questions based on other items discovered.
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Speculation speculation speculation. I feel that's like all I've been doing for the past couple of weeks. I don't know if this is positive or negative. This is like death from none information overload.
If Urban didn't believe he did what's right he would have already issued an apology and resigned. Instead he came out and said he followed proper protocols. You don't do that while being investigated unless you know it's true, or you are stupid, and Urban ain't stupid.
Meeting twice (or more) suggests that they were thorough. I like that they were thorough.
Think Mary Jo White was involved with giving Zeke the 5 game suspension. So there is history there.
IIRC she recommended no suspension, but Goodell had to make up for his Ray Rice faux pax and overcompensated w/Zeke.
The NFL's investigator recommended no suspension; Mary Jo White and the rest of the independent consultants reviewed the same information as the investigator and recommended a suspension.
IIRC, the league investigator said because she accuser was lying about the initial incident (the one where she told her friend to lie to police), she couldn't be trusted. The outside consultants said wait, she's being truthful that Elliott harmed her 3 times in 5 days.
It’s a good thing the guy who is alleged to have perpetrated the actual abuse has already been fired.
God I can't wait until this is over, Urban is reinstated, hell is unleashed on every opponent on the schedule, and McMoron gets some figurative Turkey Jones justice - better lawyer up buddy boy. #FreeUrban
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I hope you were kidding and not caring about CTE. Very glad my mom said hell no to me wanting to box (her dad was a light heavyweight).
I was at that game with a friend and his Dad. Damn near caused a brawl in the stands of the old Muni
Every day for the last 2 weeks it seems there was always something new added to this situation primarily by the media. Most of us understand that most was pure bullshit and written to harm Urban. Maybe the committee got wind of this shit and wanted to ask Urban personally about these things. And, if they found out just as we thought that this was bullshit, that can only help Urban's defense of himself. I am hoping and praying for the best. But, I do commend the committee for such a thorough investigation. Because when Urban is reinstated as head coach, this bullshit will go away. And all of these bastard reports will go back to their snug jobs and look for someone else to haunt. When Urban is free, everything else goes away because he would have been thoroughly investigated and then reinstated.
One of two things will happen:
1) Urban is fired, Buckeye fans are butt hurt and play the OSU vs. the World card...followed by an unfathomable amount of "what if" threads on this site
2) Urban returns to the team immediately or after a short suspension, non-OSU fans (the haters) lose their mind and are butt hurt all season long, Buckeye nation plays the OSU vs. the World card.
2% the former happens, 98% the latter happens....based purely on my speculation
"He'll either be fired, suspended, or re-instated" isn't exactly a fire take.
And "my speculation" for the media is written "my anonymous sources."
The second meeting was for UM to explain the Iowa debacle last season...……………….Clearly there was some Buckeye Abuse in that game.
I can see it now:
After due consideration and information from the Committee, the Board has determined that (a) Urban Meyer followed every protocol to the letter as regards Zach Smith and (b) was slipped a Mickey by a shyster named McMurphy before Big10 media days and cannot be held accountable for his statements that day. However, (c) the Committee has also found gross negligence occurred on November 4, 2017 and November 21, 2015 and has decided that Urban Meyer will be sentenced to 100 hours of community service as a graduate assistant to one James Joseph Harbaugh.
Read Snook’s latest article. The guy put the whole thing on a platter
Does he have something new out there?
Fields of Dreams
Yep. Its a long one. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10211962466445870&id=1498798014&__tn__=K-R
"Great moments are born from great opportunities." - Herb Brooks
thank you! I just got done reading it. Holy cow, is that a fantastic read! It sounds like EVERYTHING is going to come out and some people not named Urban Meyer are not going to like it. Tough shit! They dug their grave.
I'm interested to see what is said about the Herman's role in all of this.
I hope he writes a book on this whole thing. I will buy.
I haven’t wanted to comment on 11W for the past two weeks but I wanted to say I logged on just to upvote this. Thank you for the link! Great read. #FREEURBAN
Because I couldn't go for three. -- Woody Hayes
Did Jeff Snook just gave McMurphy a rock bottom, a diamond cutter, a stunner and a Ric Flair Whooooooo!
What does firing or suspending Urban really gain the BoT? Buckeye nation mad. Admitting that we enabled bad stuff going on even if it was or wasn't DV? Media/fan firestorm about what a shitty university we have.
What does reinstating Urban gain the BoT? Buckeye nation happy. Media firestorm about enabling bad stuff to happen without consequences. Media/fan firestorm about what a shitty university we have.
The truth shall not set you free, but go with it anyway.
If I could see one single member of the media explain to me how Urban Meyer had the power to either enable or prevent Zach Smith’s ability to commit acts of domestic violence through his employment status, I’d be much more likely to take their faux outrage seriously.
I agree with those saying these multiple meetings isn't a negotiation on punishment but rather simply part of a fact finding mission.
Not gonna speculate into whether that's good or bad for Meyer as there are scenarios that fit both. But what I keep going back to is that we've finally started hearing tiny little leaks sneak through the last 2-3 days. Now whether these are"feelers" sent it out to gague reactions or if they are simply the truth who knows. But one thing we haven't heard in these leaks is the F-word that rhymes with hire. Aside from one idiot on numbnuts... Errr bucknuts, there has been no indication the committee has found any damning evidence against Meyer or is even considering buying his contract out for PR. And to me, THAT is the only thing keeping me from pulling my hair out at the moment. Wish I could have cryogenically frozen myself the last 4 weeks. I've probably lost a good year of my life stressing out over this.
"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"
I'm voting "positive" as well. Part of my reason is the way Meyer is.
If they had incriminating stuff on him, he would have pushed to end it quick. The minute he felt there was a chance he could be cannned, he would become less cooperative, like I'm outta here, talk to my lawyers.
With his background in psychology, he knows how to read a crowd and how to get his point across. He has an organized, methodical mind. If he has multiple opportunities to present his viewpoint to the committee, that's a huge freaking plus. He will not only lay out the facts, but he will make them understand what the atmosphere was like and how any manager of staff has to negotiate difficult situations. I guarantee he will garner a lot of empathy from the committee.
I think the committee's biggest challenge will trying to NOT sound like a bunch of Meyer fans - even if they love him more than ever after hearing how he has dealt with this and the class he has quietly exhibited these last couple of weeks, they have to put out a very objective, dry report.
Please no photo's of the old SEC lawyer high-fiving Urban backstage!!! :-) That would be a bad optic, as they say...
I still think, ehhh, two game suspension and back on the sidelines for TCU. I've got a couple of (really small) bets riding on it!
Courtney Smith is a... well, we know what she is. She went from being a potentially sympathetic victim of a cheating husband to a diabolical liar who exaggerated Zach Smith's failings and turned him into a physically abusive monster. In addition, she and Brett McMurphy, with the unsolicited help of the American media, tried to leverage their way to being the people who took down an empire. If Meyer is anything but reinstated immediately, then Ohio State University will have proven itself a cowardly institution that kowtows to public opinion and to a PC culture that's been allowed to grow to an unimaginable level of absurdity. There is a massive difference between a guy who strays from his marriage vows to a guy who regularly beats up on his wife. Zach Smith is admittedly the former, but he emphatically denies being the latter... and he has the Powell PD and Courtney's own family corroborating his version of events. Only a giant bureaucracy, scared senseless by a press that has a bloodlust for any man accused by any woman of abuse, could spend a half million dollars turning this into the month long clusterfuck that it's become.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Regardless of what is true of Zach Smith, it has nothing to do with the topic of the investigation, which is whether or not Urban Meyer handled the allegations properly.
The old 'perjury trap' process in play? Whose truth is true??
I surely hope this entire investigation process focused on what actually happened and when and not to go politically correct and have to find someone to blame where a communications breakdown may be the real culprit.
The old 'perjury trap' process in play? Whose truth is true??
I don't think this situation (or any investigation, really) is any different than the one you're clearly referencing in that they interviewed a number of people and are looking to establish a story that most people agree upon as how it really happened.
Any interview is a 'perjury trap' if you don't tell the truth. I don't think that's the case with Meyer. The other one, however....
Don’t act like it’s “the old perjury trap” when no one had heard of this ridiculous term before last week. The only way it’s a trap is if you dont tell the truth.
A commitee having two differing accounts of the same incident is not considered perjury until one of them is proven to be false.
If the Board recommends reinstatement immediately and game suspension, I can’t imagine Drake not taking that as what he should do.
A $500k investigation and 20 member board is a lot of backing.
Free Urban and kick ass fellas!!!!
I'd assume since the "investigation" went over the deadline the 500k est. Went out the window. I'm done with Ohio state as an institution and feel sorry for the state tax payers and football team. An absolute embarrassment to normal thinking. I guess that's what happens when you employ people that C.ant U.nderstand N.ormal T.hinking.
What? Excuse me. This is THE Ohio State University. Please note My statment is based on UFM not acting in a way that put a woman in any harm.
It's a business. I was born and raised in c-bus but they have drifted from core values as a state funded university. I hope the football team does well but the university has massively failed Urban Meyer, buckeye nation and Alumni. Not attacking your post just venting.
The university administration’s favorite colors aint scarlet and gray, it’s green.
This school is doing the right thing.
That IS what separates us from other schools in our conference who have multiple felonies over decades from its employees.
The invest didn't go over the deadline. The news reported the money will not come from the taxpayers, that means it'll come out of osu's athletic fund?
They probably met with him the first time to establish his account, then did follow-up meetings after they spoke with others, possibly to address inconsistencies in his or other's accounts, possibly to follow up on questions they did not pursue the first time. Either way, the goal is always to get the most consistent story from everyone and to try to suss out the outliers; they want to get the story that "sounds right". I don't think you can gauge whether it's bad or good.
I think you're right.
As most of us figured all along, the fact that a meeting with a certain person hasn't been confirmed doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I think we can assume every relevant person has been spoken to.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
I guess I'll wait and see what they say instead of torturing myself.
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
500k circle jerk. What a-f'in joke. Smart people making something as complex as possible to save face. It's all bullshit and bad for ya.
I'm still trying to figure out where the 'suspension' stories are coming from. Again, I realize we don't have all (or many) actual facts here, but given what we know - what actually would be the reason OSU would suspend Urban? That makes no sense.... or I may just be a homer and not seeing it.
The theory that keeps being repeated is that it would somehow “placate the masses” when in fact nothing short of firing Urban would make them happy.
IMO it’s one or the other, either he handled the situation correctly or he didn’t.. if he did then there’s no grounds for suspending him.
Completely agree with you. If he's innocent then suspending him for optics or to placate the media is just a horrible look, and makes the University look really weak. After 3 weeks, an independent committee, and a $500k potential spend, If he's innocent they need to stand behind their coach and help right the wrong with their words and actions.
So the source knows they met with Meyer more than twice but doesn't know the exact number. How one can interpret that as positive or negative is hard to see since we don't know what they discussed, but it does suggest they had a lot of questions and/or follow up questions. Sounds like they had much to talk about. I find more comfort in the source that says they are recommending a suspension, which I assume would be without pay, because that means he will remain the HC.
Now McMuphy, CT, and Wolken will be pissed and write about how it was ridiculous that Meyer got to speak to the investigators multiple times while Courtney Smith only got the chance to tell her side of the story once.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
"The source said that steady communication between the sides’ legal teams has continued."
Bring on the down-votes if you must, but reading this makes me really concerned. Legal teams could be wrangling over suspension, but it seems to me a suspension is just handed down, not negotiated. What gets negotiated is buy-outs of contracts.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Or Urban has spoken directly through his lawyers the entire time to ensure he doesn't flub his words again?
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
You don’t negotiate with investigators.
This investigative committee isn't the body with which Urban would negotiate a buyout.
The investigation committee investigates. The BoT and President will negotiate any punishment/buyout.
the whole point was that it was a third party committee formed to investigate. They don’t represent either Urban Meyer or the University.
More likely you shouldn't believe either the source or how the above statement is written. It's not like the media is prone to hyperbole or downright falsehoods, lol.
Urban would most certainly have his lawyer with him when he spoke to this committee as not only his legal representation , but as a witness. Just because OSU' s investigative team has lawyers on it doesn't make them legally representing the university. They weren't hired nor functioning as legal representation for OSU, they are functioning as outside investigators.
If Urban is to be removed, it would be through OSU legal representatives who work in that capacity for OSU and who would make an offer to Urban's legal representation. According to what the university has publicly said, that decision hasn't been made and won't even be discussed until the closed, exectutive session with the BOT, who will direct Michael Drake as to their decisions whether to retain Meyer on staff or not. Even the "Michael Drake will decide" is BS, the BOT is who is responsible for making these kinds of decisions, once they decided to appoint investigators and a working group to evaluate the findings.
Or it is a discussion between the investigative team and Ohio State's in-house counsel?
Ohio State 52
Oregon State 17
"It's so easy to be average...to HELL WITH THAT" - Urban Meyer
17 points is generous. I'm going with 49-6.
63-14. The Beavers will score on a gaff and then again late in garbage time when OSU is playing a loose prevent.
17 points for Oregon State?!?
Are you high, man?
Very acceptable to let up a defensive slip or two after what we've lost in DBs. Honestly think it is very reasonable prediction. ....Also, DON'T YOU SASS ME.
This seems to me that Gene Smith and Drake could be in hot water... ?!?!?!
I am certainly wondering about Gene. Is it possible that the multiple meetings are because Urban and Gene’s stories don’t match? Just my $.02
Ohio State > *ichigan
Urban > Hairbaugh
Just dawned on me that the stuff that just happened with Manafort and Cohen could be very beneficial for Coach pushing this somewhat to the back pages. School needs to reinstate him ASAP.
80-90% of your neighbors don’t know the names of 5 OSU football players and they don’t who Paul Manafort or Michael Cohen is. I would struggle to name 5 players and I do know who Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen are. The folks here who follow this stuff and post on this website are in a bubble.
Yeah you are right. I was thinking more with the masses that glob onto hot news stories. There is some overlap in those that follow sports and politics. I am one.
Well.... in addition to my on-going prayers, I wrote a long, detailed letter to Board of Trustees this afternoon supporting Urban and strongly urging them to retain him as coach. I'm absolutely sure it will have zero effect on the outcome (as opposed to the prayers), but I felt compelled to stand up in support of a good man who's been wrongly accused (at least according to all publicly available info) and had his character assassinated by and in the media.
Good on you!!
Urban followed policy. (Period.)
Interesting now to find that Gene Smith has been interviewed multiple times...h-m-m.
I'll be honest. I'm not confident either Smith or Drake will stick up for or exude the energy to keep Meyer on. It doesn't matter what the truth is. In fact, I know that Meyer doesn't deserve to lose his job over this. But it doesn't mean that it's not going to happen.
If you read Meyer's statement. He was strongly making the point that he did his diligence. If you read everything coming out from the other side since his statement, it's been a consistent, conveyor belt of growing the narrative to more than that. Meyer's attorneys knew this was going to happen. I mean, there are seriously people out there who have professional jobs, and are in charge of important things, who are going to actually believe wholeheartedly that Meyer should be monitoring sex toys in the mail and that he should be fired because people have been offended over this. There are activist groups who are readying talking points that "The Ohio State Football program is soft on abuse. And, down with the Patriarchy." It doesn't matter what the truth is. What matters is that people have been offended. Gene and Drake will work to stifle these groups because they may, in fact, actually believe what they believe. So, Meyer will go.
In the world we live it today, if this is the greatest injustice we'll have to face then we should consider ourselves blessed. But it will still stink to potentially lose Meyer.
If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die.
Andretolstoy, I agree with the first part of your post. However, if we are willing to accept the injustice of not caring what the truth is as long as we don’t offend someone, well we as a society have already failed.
I care. I just don't have the energy. I guess that's why I have my God. I just leave it up to Him.
As we speak the reporters are writing what they want. Finebaum just wrote another classic claiming that Meyer underachieved at The Ohio State. I mean when you can literally write what you want what good does adding to the noise do?
I understand your frustration, I have just had enough of other people writing the narrative they want for clicks. If we don’t call them out on it then they will never change. Rest up, get your energy back and then get back in the fight. I have a long memory and will not forget the people who attacked my university with lies and slander to further their careers.
I personally am starting to push back at what I call the "Media Industrial Complex". I refuse to watch most news stations now. I've started my own little website boycott. We need to start thinking that what we watch on TV, what we click on is what animates these people. We have to modify their behaviors by modifying ours. I've said it already. But if they let Meyer go and they really don't have good justification and evidence then I will NEVER watch anything Ohio State again. When I see organizations bow to an overreacting mob I stop buying their products. Usually there are plenty of alternatives.
I don't even the think the mobs are that big. The media instead blows up the mob and agitates the mob. They hype the mob. They promote the mob. In essence media outlets have turned into the pied piper for the mobs. The national media and their pundits really believe they know best, and that they are in charge. If you don't go along with them they will get you. I've seen examples where TV networks will zoom in on five or six people with protest signs and make sound like it is this huge protest. Then take the same five people and move them to a new location and shoot again. Fake news is real. Fake outrage is real.
$500,000 being spent on this.... For me it would be simple. Hey Meyer did you know about Courtney accusing Zach. Yep. Did he beat her. "He says he didn't and the police haven't seen anything to that effect". Should we fire Zack? "I'm not sure but they are getting divorced and they are already separated". Yea OK got it.
And I'd be fine with that explanation and move on. Nobody can read minds, see the future, be all knowing, etc...
This whole thing is a witch hunt. Unless there's a huge surprise and something very uncharacteristic of Urban, I expect him to be completely exonerated. He should get an apology and get to go back o n the sideline where he can coach the team and make Buckeye Nation proud. Misleading (okay lying to) the press is not a crime and not an embarrassment to the university. The press has proven time and again, especially ESecPeeN, they hate Urban and all of Buckeye Nation. Now if the university decides to make an example of Urban with a baseless penalty, which I hope they are better than that petty outcome, Urban may say I gave you a Natty and I'm outta here you thankless morons. I wouldn't blame him one bit if he did.
Money talks, bullsh** walks.
While driving I heard the XM national college radio station this morning. Get this: the hosts were saying that none of the national media ever were calling for Meyer to be fired! I almost drove off the road. How off base can you be??
I never understood why OSU had to launch this whole investigation and spend $500,000. At its heart, it was about an alleged DV case that involved an ex-coach, not UFM. There is NO cover up when the police dept. investigates and does not move forward with charges. There was NO potential NCAA violation like w/ Jim Tressel. There was no danger of being put on probation, or other punitive measures by the NCAA.
All this is b/c OSU caved into the national media and OSU haters everywhere (who remember will ALWAYS hate OSU), instead of sticking by their coach, like MSU did with BOTH football and basketball coaches.
The announcement should come by about 9:01 a.m. that Urban has been reinstated, effective that moment. NO press conference, just a simple press release and that is it.
Bucks fans in Mass
Can you imagine this. One day you go into work and your boss says, "So Pete, I hear that your truck driver Jack was beating his wife and so uhhh Your FIRED". I mean at the end of the day they are asking the question of do we hold Urban Meyer accountable for something Zack may or may not have done. My gosh we don't even know if he abused his wife. In my mind it has never moved past the allegation phase.
Even now I don't believe she has ever pressed charges of DV.
I'm of the opinion that Urban will be reinstated with maybe a 1 game suspension and time already served (last 3+ weeks) unless something far more damaging is uncovered with all this crazy expensive investigation stuff. I think Brett McMurphy is a slimeball so called journalist trying to stay relevant and this was his shot at 15 more minutes of fame. It's too bad he had to go after Meyer like this and hopefully Urban will come out stronger and even more motivated as our coach to take this team and state of Ohio to new heights for at least 5 more incredible years.
Just here to be the "238th" comment! Where is my helmet sticker?
I would love to see Markie May and pall roughbaum faces when it is announced Urbs is returning to the field Wednesday afternoon.