Ohio State President Michael Drake On Investigation: “It Will Be Finished When It Is Finished”

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OSU2002Grad's picture

Yeah, Urban gone. Damn, Drake gonna placate to outside public opinion. He couldn’t care less what alumni think. He will when we stop writing checks. 

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

That's a pretty hasty conclusion.

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OSU2002Grad's picture

I think the fact he left the door open to go indefinitely beyond the two-week time table tells me there is zero urgency to reinstate Urban Meyer. Remember: He’s on suspension right now. They can call it leave all they want but he can’t even talk to his assistant coaches. If they were even remotely inclined to clear Meyer, I don’t think you’d be seeing the time table be extended in this fashion.

They’re desperately looking for “cause.” It is, as it always has been, a fishing expedition to get out of paying Meyer $38 million. 

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brutus0717's picture

My interpretation of these comments, and the committee's actions, is completely different from yours. I think they're getting every salacious detail they can find so that in the event they keep him, there will be no surprises afterward.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Excellent take.  Most embarrassing thing for school would be keeping him then another bombshell drops.  I think they have known for while he was coming back absent some new bombshell.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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kmp10's picture

What 'bombshells' have dropped about Meyer over the past two weeks? Several have dropped about Courtney Smith's credibility and motivations, although local media is unfathomably refusing to discuss and/or lend any credence whatsoever to the reports, and one dropped specific to Zach Smith's OMVI arrest in 2013... something Meyer/OSU had no knowledge of... but what bombshells have dropped about Urban Meyer? I'll admit to following this like my life depends on it one day, and then being so disgusted with the entire affair the next day that I just glance over the information/content, so maybe I missed a Meyer revelation. It's ironic... the media jumped feet first into judging Urban Meyer with little more than Courtney Smith's accusations, but the fact that the Powell PD has tacitly implied Courtney has no credibility via their non-arrests of Zach Smith despite more than sixty 911 calls in a three month period, that Zach Smith's mother verifies Zach's version of events, and that Courtney's own mother also says her daughter is a liar while corroborating Zach's side of things seemingly means absolutely nothing to the same group that lambasted Meyer with absolutely ZERO proof of anything. This thing is the embodiment of how 'justice' works in America these days for hot-button issues. You're guilty until you prove yourself innocent, or the polar opposite of how the justice system is designed to work. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

If you are responding to me, I said “if one drops.”  None have and I don’t expect one to, it has all been positive. (Since being put on leave). The big one would be he really didn’t follow protocols, and I don’t expect that to be the case.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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kmp10's picture

I replied to your post, 70, but not accusingly. I just hadn't heard of another bombshell, and with all the media people digging around for stuff to use to bury Meyer I would be surprised if something exists that we've yet to hear about... at least in terms of what the media has access to. I agree with you... the question upon which everything hinges will be whether or not Meyer followed protocol to the letter. Clearly, Urban Meyer and his legal counsel believe that he did or they wouldn't have issued their statement a few weeks ago.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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SilverHaven's picture

Pres. Drake has really said nothing here to show his hand, reveal his inclinations.
he does stutter and stammer a lot, like he is parsing his words.
There appears to be no problems in the case with Urban other than misleading the media.
But Drake has a history of being influence by outside pressures, and so...
this leads to more worry, with nothing substantive from Drake.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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wyatt's picture

Drake looks like a homeless guy who sleeps under the bridge. 

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Extramedium's picture

You are reacting to the headline and not the article

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Noahkat's picture

This is just a delay notification for all us fans expecting some finality today.  The delay benefits everyone involved:

- the longer it takes the less media coverage and greater opportunities for other issues (e.g. Maryland) to take precedence in a monolithic media that can only cover one topic at a time.

- Ohio State gets to claim it did its due dillligence

- The lawyers have no interest in stopping until they reach the 500k mark.

Thats all there is. This is just to satiate us so we dont ask what is going on. 

In truth - theyre gunna keep Urban I have no doubt. Im gunna be pissed if they suspend him for anything we know already, and so will alot of people.  I think Mr. Smith should be "retired" just because of how this has been handled.  

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Jason Priestas's picture

I didn't get that impression from his comments at all.

SilverState's picture

He said "stay tuned" twice - usually means relatively soon, no?

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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seyekcuB's picture

News conference at 3pm tomorrow.

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pfaff's picture

Booooo this man for lying.

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SilverHaven's picture

I tho't it was 4:30 on Fridays.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Sanantonefan's picture

4:20

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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johnblairgobucks's picture

They should, if Meyer is being cleared by investigation, give all the information to Brett McMurphy.....give him the scoop/exclusive and make him break the story of what the Committe found....little Karma and Crow for McMurphster.

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JCam061588's picture

Can we say...REACH!

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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keith7456's picture

As much as I hate it, I really think you are right. They are trying to find something to fire him with cause to not have to pay him anything. The only thing he really cares about is the PR and opinion of the the outside media. In my mind since the moment this broke all I could think was that Urban was gone and nothing will change my thought until they come out and say he is reinstated. I will still be shocked if he ever coaches for Ohio State again however I REALLY HOPE he does. He didn't do anything to deserve this crap.

If they fire him I hope he sues the University for ever penny possible. This has been a media driven Sh*tshow from the start. 

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OSU2002Grad's picture

Exactly. It’s Occams Razor. There is a lot of wishful thinking coming from the Ohio State media and fans but everything that has happened since August 1 is consistent with the university wanting to get rid of Meyer but hoping to avoid the legal and procedural mistakes made when they fired Jim O’Brien.

Administrative leave is the precursor to termination and they want it to be clean so they can defend the probable suit to be filed. I’d bet dollars-to-donuts they tried to negotiate a buyout at first but then Meyer issued the August 3 statement, prompting the university to assemble a team of lawyers.  I think we’ve seen the last of Urban Meyer as the head coach. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

And I will point to following: 1.  Meyer’s confident statement and statements by staff to recruits; 2. Assuming he reported, precedent at CSU; 3.  Vegas oddsmakers.

Fiirst one might not matter, but last two do.  Vegas doesn’t fuck wiith odds because that is how they make a living, and what has happened elsewhere is an indicator of results to be expected in similar situations.

i understand your logic but respectfully disagree.  I am guessing you are a bit of a pessimist.  If he reported and nothing earth shattering comes out, he will be back.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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ChristianHaven's picture

This is a real softball interview at the university owned WOSU TV/Radio with a grandma who I assume used to be somebody in the Columbus media tossing slow-pitch questions to the president of OSU.

My sense watching the "interview," if you can call it that-- and I did not suffer through its slow entirety-- is that Pres. Drake is hiding something and goes to extremes to not reveal what it is.

Looking at Mike Drake's history, it is obvious that he was greatly influenced in the past by outside public opinion, has caved into the outside pressures in the past, and will likely do so again. 

1. Drake fired the dean of the UC-Irvine Law School based on political pressure from California liberal judges, and then after a messy backlash from conservative and also liberal attorneys, Drake was forced to reinstate the dean.

2. Here at Ohio State, Drake fired the band director. rightly or wrongly, based on political pressure over Title IX issues.  The band director sued, and it was revealed that so far OSU has spent over $1 million of taxpayer funds for defense in the messy case.

So what is likely to happen now with the football coach?  I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

I for one wonder why Pres Drake and AD Gene Smith are not the ones under investigation as well for not taking action on the Zach Smith domestic violence allegations of 2015.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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OSU2002Grad's picture

Here’s the thing: I’m about as liberal as it gets and even I think this situation is blown way out of proportion. Most of my closest friends and family are liberals. Not one thinks Urban should be fired. It’s not a political thing or a #MeToo thing. It’s Drake caving to pressure thing. And his history, as you point out, is demonstrative of that. 

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SilverHaven's picture

OSU2002G, +UV.  I think we're prob. on opposite ends of the political spectrum, but I don't understand why all the -DVs for you expressing your opinion in a considered manner and without demeaning other members.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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kmp10's picture

Because a smallish portion of this community is as dumb as a bag of hammers and uses its DV as a way of being punitive or vindictive rather than for its intended use, which is clearly outlined by the site. The good news is that one has to give a rip about UV's and/or DV's to be at all impacted.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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stpetebuck's picture

But you bring in the outside group to get an entirely objective conclusion without worries about ‘how it looks’.

They don’t care about paying him. They want him to coach and actually underpay him compared to more recently signed coaches. 

Look it was the opposite when Tressel was canned. They wanted him out and made a quick internal decision if I recall correctly. 

This plays well I believe because the committee with see if protocol was followed per the knowledge that was available in 2015. That’s going to outweigh prior history because everything else was cleared in background checks. 

What was know in 2015 and was proper reporting made per Urbans contract. 

I don’t believe a school president at tOSU goes against the desire of millions of Ohioans , tens of thousands of alumni and thousands of boosters - if the panel finds Urban did everything right. 

Theyve already f’d up fall practice and can still give face saving suspensions and fines. 

Urbans coming back assuming there’s no hidden info. 

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CowCat's picture

They don’t care about paying him. They want him to coach and actually underpay him compared to more recently signed coaches. 

Look it was the opposite when Tressel was canned. They wanted him out and made a quick internal decision if I recall correctly. 

Bingo! 

I attended the OSU/UM game in 2010 with my Dad (OSU Faculty). During the game he mentioned that the word on the street was that the Trustees were getting tired of Tressel losing big games and they wanted Urban Meyer. This was several months before Tatgate.

Not to say I'm not happy to have Urban, but we have to realize the big money calls the shots.

From that standpoint, I think the trustees and the AD are stuck between a rock and a hard place now:

They can reinstate Urban, but they will need to have the backbone to withstand the (unjustified) backlash.

They could cave in to the media, but that would provide only temporary relief. They would be getting rid of their cash cow. In 6 years Urban Meyer has brought in record crowds and ticket sales, allowing the university to increase ticket prices overall, install "flexible ticket pricing" , expand the stadium, install permanent night lights and loge seats, etc. etc.

There is NO currently available coach that could replace Meyer at this time and keep the money machine rolling along. No offense to Ryan Day, but Buckeye Nation demands a proven winner. If we go through a series of "tryout" coaches like Michigan did, expect ticket sales to drop overall, especially for ex-pats like me that have to pay to travel to games. So the trustees are looking down the barrel of $38 million in payouts, declining revenue and having to pay $7-9 million  to attract another coach. Not ideal.

The smartest decision (if there is no smoking gun) is to retain Meyer and keep the train rolling.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I made a similar point below.  It has been so good for so long people just assume it will never end.  Any team is one bad to marginal hire away from it all crumbling.  We have seen it at Texas, the number one grossing athletic program in CFB.  If it can happen there, it can happen anywhere.  I suspect some on here don’t believe it because they are too young.  Also, many other programs are paid for by the surplus created from the football program.  This factor should not be underestimated.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Buctor's picture

So another outrageous scenario!

Snook is right about Herman.  He quickly gets fired.

Texas even more quickly hires a man with no job.  Then he hires an assistant with no job that has been "mostly" cleared and is a really good Texas recruiter apparently.  The first also takes most of his assistants with him and Texas is back on top by next year!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Buctor's picture

Relax!

I don't believe that either.  But the thunder and lightening are keeping me awake.

I choose to believe Coach did nothing wrong, i.e. he is innocent, until proven otherwise.

But mostly I wish this was over and folks at OSU would shut the hell up until then.

The board should be spending their time looking to hire someone that knows even a little about to handle controversy!!!  

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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BuckDroid's picture

To your point about withstanding the media backlash.. the media is already prepared / predicting an Urban Meyer return.  The media members who went all in on defaming Urban know that they leaped before looking, and are already trying to pad their landing. (see Finebaum's latest prediction.) Withstanding the media backlash will be fairly minor, especially with actual sports news to cover with the start of the college / football seasons.

Nope, Not the Whole Damn State!

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Gobucks2112's picture

Could not love this post more, just hopefully they don't cave to the media, who cares if McMurphy or stupid Clay Travis or even Finebaum has a problem with it. We know why they do it, they don't care anymore about Courtney Smith or anything she said or any way she was treated, at the end of the day, if it draws viewers and eyes, thats all they want. Their opinions mean nothing. The University needs to say Urban did everything required, we followed protocol, re-instate Meyer and move forward. 

"You got barbecue back there? Hurt my feelings!"

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billybigwheel's picture

I used to like clay even though hes always been anti osu because of his anti outrage media stance, but hes exactly what he preaches against. His whole DBAP schtick is a lie.

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ladybuckeye's picture

Another flaming liberal here who doesn't think Meyer should be fired.

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ddilley2000's picture

Ah, no and completely wrong. I am much more brash and oppose alot of takes from the staff and posters alike. However, mass liberal media is exactly who wants Meyer fired. The COMPLETE body of facts is completely irrelevant in a liberal perspective. Courtney Smith's word, whatever the dude's name that broke the story are considered the voices of fact in liberal media. Every opposing statement is viewed as cover up, insensitive, irrelevant and fraudulent. Based on what?

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shiloh's picture

@ OSU2002GradNow,

I’m liberal, but to a degree
I want ev’rybody to be free
But if you think that I’ll let Barry Goldwater
Move in next door and marry my daughter
You must think I’m crazy!
I wouldn’t let him do it for all the farms in Cuba

:-P

Apologies to Dylan ...

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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Bourbon Meyer's picture

The decision Drake makes will be the right one. He would have seen all the evidence, and he will make a reasonable judgment based on a poponderance. Don’t care if your liberal or conservative, Drake didn’t put OSU football in this position. The trailer park escapades of Mr. and Mrs. Zach Smith and the decisions of one Urban Meyer and possibly AD Gene Smith did. 

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Ruby5's picture

Well stated because we know from Meyer’s comment that Gene “I dodge bullets” Smith knew which means more than likely Drake did too.  Drake probably never played a sport in his life. I hope the alumni stop donating if Meyer is fired. 

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ShaneFalco's picture

Drake probably never played a sport in his life

I'm betting he was a Tiddly Winks guy..........

I read blitz

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stpetebuck's picture

Hey Haven

Ann Fisher is a top notch person. And she’s amazingly tough. Just FYI. 

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ChristianHaven's picture

Hey, St.Pete, I'm certainly not going to dispute with the keeper of the "pearly gates."

She may be top notch, or at least was.  My impression of the interview was two older people with low energy in a small room. 

And thanks for forewarning me; she might be a lot tougher than the grandma image that fooled me.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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buckeyepastor's picture

I had forgotten about his outrageous firing of Jon Woods.  In spite of performance evaluations that detailed the progress he had made in cleaning up the culture, one angry parent and Woods was gone.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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hetuck's picture

Jon Waters. FYI in case you use the apt example again. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Knarcisi's picture

Taking on Jon Waters as opposed to Urban Meyer is like Glass Joe as opposed to Mike Tyson 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Well put.  We are talking about a program grossing 100+ million annually and Meyer is a big reason for that.  People’s jobs and programs depend on this revenue.  There will be backlash no matter what the school does, but fire him, and expect it from their own, to include many booster and donors. This is NOT the easy decision a few on here claim that it is.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Buckeye Knight's picture

Fear_the_nut70 9 MINUTES AGO 

Well put.  We are talking about a program grossing 100+ million annually and Meyer is a big reason for that.  People’s jobs and programs depend on this revenue.  There will be backlash no matter what the school does, but fire him, and expect it from their own, to include many booster and donors. This is NOT the easy decision a few on here claim that it is.

Right, that's also what makes it an easy decision in my mind though, unless there truly is something that happened in the gray area, in which case, maybe a suspension is needed.  But just do the right thing, since you are going to get blasted either way, just do what is right and own it.  IF Meyer screwed up, fire him.  IF Meyer did right, get him on the field and stand up for what is right. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I have said this many times--it comes down to following protocol to the T.  He did that, he comes back.  He didn't and I think he is fired.  The reason I think it has to be followed exactly is because he took a chance on Zach knowing about the 2009 incident, which means no room for error.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Molandisi's picture

Drake fired Waters during first week on the job did he not?  

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DibbleDabble's picture

he had no choice

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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linepilot15's picture

"I for one wonder why Pres Drake and AD Gene Smith are not the ones under investigation as well for not taking action on the Zach Smith domestic violence allegations of 2015."

This is a really good question. If it was reported to G. Smith and he inturn passed it on to Drake why are they not under investigation as well?

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ZeroDimension's picture

They might be, it is just no one outside of OSU fans would really care because they do not know those names. 

The committee might be stammering along because they are finding issues with Smith and Drake.  

I am a realist at heart(I know that frustrates the reductionist thinking of dichotomimzation  since it is neither pessimist or optimist), but I do not see a fireable offense for Meyer, Smith or Drake... but someone is getting a reprimand of some sort( I will not even attempt to guess the severity).  

My Caveat is, the committee is smart for being tight lipped, but if they have additional information, then someone could get fired. 

Urban was very smart to draft his own letter and put everything in his own words(actually separating himself from an OSU all inclusive statement).  I would guess this did not please Smith or Drake, but it was exactly what I think he or anyone else should have done.   Your company does not have your best interest at heart unless it is also their best interest. 

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skinnytrees's picture

I have to agree with you at this point

All the public information out there would have to lead to Urban being reinstated. The fact that there was no legal action for the domestic violence should have been enough on its own to end this in my eyes. Forget all the other stuff.

There has to be something going on. Does that mean all the private info is bad? Does it even have to do with this situation?

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ZeroDimension's picture

The error in this logic is that.. whether the DV happened or not is no longer the issue for OSU or Urban outside of the eyes of perception... it is whether they processed the Report of it(valid or not) correctly. 

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PsyBuck's picture

Aren't you kind of bypassing the pretty critical fact that unless there's info that NO one in the entire country has dug up to this point, that there seems to be NO indication that they will even have cause to fire him? Every day since last week Urban has been in better and better shape.

And I really doubt they'll cut him a check for $39 million and send him on his way. First, that's going to play just as bad in the media as fully reinstating him. All the Paul Finebaums and Brett McMurphys of the world will say "ahhhh there must have been something that wasn't released that made them fire him." And you know that's what they'll do.

Second, if they fire him for something stupid like "lying" to the media (he didn't lie but that's a story for another time) that will not buy them one ounce of good graces with the lynch mob or the media. They'll just stick their noses in the air and say "hmmph. That will show you what happens when you enable DV." And they'll disappear like a fart in the wind.

Finally, this sounds like it will be a decision between Drake AND the board of trustees. And unless they are all SJW's and self identifying heroes of victims everywhere, I don't think Drake would just toss their opinions aside and risk it getting out that the board recommended reinstatement but Drake overruled them all.

I can't at all get behind your glass half empty interpretation. Especially not from this interview. There was literally nothing disclosed or hinted at either way.

"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"

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FortMeyer's picture

I fail to understand the comments about Meyer enabling DV. How could he enable DV when at best he would have received conflicted stories about what was going on along with the fact of the matter that police never once charged ZS with DV? You would have to have cause to just fire him, not just allegations. Am I missing something? FYI I am not pointing toward any particular comment.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

You didn’t read his comment carefully.  He never said that objectively Meyer enabled DV, only that the lynch mob will make this claim.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Extramedium's picture

I still don't understand how firing Smith sooner would have had any effect on his ability to perpetrate domestic violence.

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dwcbuckeye's picture

If they fire him or doing anything remotely like OSU was to blame, then they will be paying Courtney a lot of money.  In their best interest to exonerate him for more than one reason

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Extramedium's picture

Why would Courtney get any money?  We're acting like Meyer is accusing of absuing her personality.

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ARMYBUCK's picture

Don't think so, but, trust me, I'd much much rather see Drake go.

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wyatt's picture

I'm not a fan of Drake or Gene Smith.  Drake said nothing new during the interview. So there are 2 investigating committees. And neither makes the decision to keep/fire Urban. 

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BeaverOhioBuckeye's picture

Dude you've been saying this shit for the last few days. We get it you want Urban fired Gtfoh with that dog shit.

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OSU2002Grad's picture

You think I want Urban Meyer fired? Oh hell no. I want him to be reinstated. What I want to happen and what I see happening aren’t the same thing.

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BeaverOhioBuckeye's picture

Well if that's the case would it kill you to think positive for fuck sake. You've been like Eeyore on here with your negative shit this week. I'm not trying to be a dick but come on man.

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OSU2002Grad's picture

Just keeping it real. I remember that B1G media day press conference and I posted that day that I thought Urban was lying about 2015 and it could be a problem. People jumped on me then too. Obviously, I don’t think it’s a fireable offense but I calls ‘em like I see ‘em.

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keith7456's picture

Given the landscape of America and the way that media spin leads to decisions being made these days, it is entirely more realistic that Urban gets fired to appease the national media than for him to return. It is the unfortunate world we live in now and I hate it. Social media is garbage and should disappear.

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RollRedRoll's picture

So are you saying if Urban did what he was supposed to that he could still lose his job because of virtue signaler’s? That would mean that TOSU leadership has no integrity! 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

WTF was this downloaded?  I see a few on here that keep claiming he will be fired but don’t explain why (except for give in to media/public pressure).  Those people don’t understand how the legal arena works.  That is NOT a reason that will hold up in a lawsuit and thus will not be the one given.  Would be really helpful for those that think he loses his job if they could say why.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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ChristianHaven's picture

Keith, agreed, until the last clause about social media.  This abusive media storm is not from neophytes like us on Facebook, but rather from "professional" journalists in the mainstream media outlets. 

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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Smooth Lee's picture

""professional" journalists in the mainstream media outlet."

All selfishly hunting for their 15 minutes of fame. 

smooth lee

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BeaverOhioBuckeye's picture

Well I hate to tell you but keeping it real is going horribly wrong for you. With the DVs you've received I'm completely convinced of my previous statement.

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OSU2002Grad's picture

I fully understand people don’t like to hear it straight. That’s fine. Doesn’t bother me. Life isn’t all lollipops and beautiful flowers. 

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awlinBrutus's picture

Didn't McMurphy ask "were you aware of zs being "arrested" in 2015 for DV allegations". Meyer said no, because smith wasn't arrested? Or was it phrased as allegations? 

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Extramedium's picture

If you don't think it's a fireable offense then you're not calling it like you see it.  I think the problem people have with your comments is more that you're not backing them up with anything more than "public pressure," and getting rid of Urban Meyer is going to take more than that.  There's a lot of pressure on both sides of this.  He's not going to be fired unless they discover he committed some kind of fireable offense.  

Since none of us have no idea what they've found aside from what's been reported, it seems unrealistically pessimistic to assume he'll be fired since nothing that's come out in the media has pointed to him doing anything wrong.

From those posters who do seem to have some kind of inside info, however credible they are, all signs have pointed to Meyer being reinstated.  

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Facemeat2's picture

I bet you’re a blast a parties.

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LABuckeye's picture

I have to make public statements about sensitive issues all the time (not like this, but still sensitive issues) and there is nothing here that indicates Urban is either staying or leaving, which is the point of such statements. Drake is a professional.

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stpetebuck's picture

I’m with you. “Stay tuned.” Is the opposite of  “let’s all be patient and give the panel more time” it almost has a playful tone about it. 

And I know Ann(the radio host) and she’s super courageous and smart. FWIW 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I don’t think you want him fired, just think you are a pessimist/chicken little type.  If he reported, and let’s assume it is inconclusive as to whether Courtney was assaulted in 2015, please tell me what is the basis for him getting fired?  Because I will tell you this, fire him and I would expect Meyer to sue for wrongful termination.  You fire him for cause, you better have it, and I just don’t see it.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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TPMBuck's picture

Happily, Drake isn't making the decision alone - the Trustees are also involved and that group is harder to rollover, collectively, in terms of giving into media carnival barkers. Drake's firing of a conservative prof here in California had a board of trustees that is fully liberal - totally different situation than at OSU.  

If they are deliberating more than 2 weeks it can just as easily be the Trustees are determining how to word their statements, take actions, etc. in such a manner as to deny CS any lawsuit material, show her respect while not accepting her claims, being sensitive to Domestic Violence while asserting that DV didn't occur in this situation, etc.

Only situations I can see Urban being fired would be (1) all kinds of people in the Athletic Department were calling for Zach to be fired for a long time and Urban in the past gave a "if Zach goes, I go" ultimatum or (2) Meyer reported the incidents to the authorities the 99 times CS was crying wolf but missed the 100th one that might actually have merit and the report will focus on that.

In either instance it would seem there would need to be a predisposition that Urban was already on rocky ground with the OSU leadership and I don't get any sense of that.

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JJBuckeye's picture

If Drake is let go he won’t have a say on Meyer at all. Go Bucks

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BtownBuckeye's picture

Well no offense, but if you cant see what's happening you're a pretty shitty detective.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

That is based on absolutely nothing.  As I said many times, if he reported as required, he will be back.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Wyandot Buckeye Fan's picture

The object here is to get this issue right. Who gives 2 shits what the alumni think, a lot of the alumni probably have blinders on. There's a good chance the investigating team might just uncover things the general population doesn't even know about. Remember the 1st supposed incident happen in 2009, so the committee basically has 9 years of supposed incidents to look into.

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BrutusB's picture

Who gives 2 shits what the alumni think

Uh, the university that wants their donations? 

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Wyandot Buckeye Fan's picture

The alumni isn't going to be judged on what ever this committee decides.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

It will be finished when it is finished

My experience with phrases similar to this would not suggest this means "soon". 

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mittenst8buck's picture

Well it better be soon...Jo Ann Davidson doesn't have that much time to waste seeing as how she's about 137 years old

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skinnytrees's picture

The original statement was 14 days.

Now its "finished when it is finished"

Why would he say that if they were sticking behind their statement? Next it will be finished hopefully by the end of the 3rd game? Season?

Soon would be "it will be done by our announced timeline". Anything passed that isn't "good" because he isn't with the team.

What could they possibly be looking into passed the already too long timeline. This sucks.

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Extramedium's picture

I thought it was stupid of the committee to make that 14-day statement, and then equally stupid for the general public to take that as an in-stone guarantee of a timeline.  He didn't even say it's going to be much longer.  He is basically saying "don't take that 14 day thing literally."

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SouthernTip's picture

"I understand that things are moving at pace, so stay tuned.”

Moving at pace would indicate them hitting inside their two-week timeline. He said the "finished when it is finished" thing to pacify the crowd that called the investigation fixed after they announced the timeline. I still think we get an answer on Monday.

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buckguyfan1's picture

Thanks Mr. Drake.

Simplify...

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

Context. That is key, as it allows for flexibility in interpretation. I do not believe Meyer was trying to cover anything, only that he wasn't prepared to speak on the topic in depth. Come on, though, stick with the timetable!

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countrybuckeye's picture

he said what is expected, and there is no fault in that at all

let this darn thing run it’s course

KEEP CALM

DRINK BOURBON 

GO BUCKS!!!

“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”

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AirAssaultBuckeye's picture

Amen and it of course leads to obvious question of what are your regular favorites??  

Rendezvous With Destiny

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BeneckeBuck5's picture

So, how do we feel about his comments? Does anyone get the sense he's leaning one way or the other?

And Toledo still sucks.

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gumtape's picture

He's a doctor. He is an expert as saying a lot without committing to anything.

High and tight boo boo

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RollRedRoll's picture

I thought that was the description of a lawyer

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brutus0717's picture

"I thought that was the description of a lawyer"

If that was the case, the statement from CS's lawyer wouldn't have sounded so directly bitchy.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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stpetebuck's picture

Well, it used to be called coach speak when Tressel went on and on about absolutely nothing. 

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RBurgundy4's picture

Well, it used to be called coach speak when Tressel went on and on about absolutely nothing. 

I wish Urban had taken notes.

#CalpoppyStrong

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buckz4evr's picture

Sorry, I don't now how to embed a tweet but I like what Tony Gerdeman of the Ozone tweeted today:

Tony Gerdeman‏ @TonyGerdeman 10m10 minutes ago
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If the president of a university is quoted, but he didn't actually say anything, does it make a sound?

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gumtape's picture

Nope. Lawyers say things that are 100% accurate while at the same time being completely useless.

Person with problem: what's wrong with me?

Doctor: I'm not sure. It could be pneumodiliapiditis or coronibactionoa. We are going to have to run some tests. They may or may not be covered by your insurance. Then we will have to give you medicine, which also may not be covered. Finally, I may need to refer you to a specialist that might not be in your network.

Person: what's wrong with me?

Lawyer: you are a person with a problem. Do you want to sue your doctor?

High and tight boo boo

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RollRedRoll's picture

Maybe I just know bad lawyers, because the ones I know are never 100% accurate 

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SilverHaven's picture

I'm a doctor, you can trust me.

Sounds like Nasser and Strauss.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Facemeat2's picture

As a person who deals with doctors on a daily basis, I can tell you he’s 100% correct 

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Urban Master's picture

Kinda like the doctor that amputates the wrong leg then?

MW

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Facemeat2's picture

If the doc amputated the wrong leg, its clearly an administrative error. Don’t be silly

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SilverHaven's picture

Facemeat, LOL, some lack a funny bone in their body.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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eclectic_tastes's picture

He's doing what we all should be doing and waiting for the results of the investigation

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johnblairgobucks's picture

I forgot what is being investigated. I don't know why Urban is on leave, anymore, lol. How long does it take to find out if Urban told Gene? 1 hour? Yeah. You should be able to figure that out in an hour. If you can't trust your employees, then fire them, and be done. This investigation, the lengthy of it, is destroying a man's credibility if innocent anyways. Should have been over in an hour

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G.'s picture

I still don't understand how keeping a person employed enables domestic abuse... I mean, unless a person somehow wouldn't be able to eat, thus not retaining enough strength to abuse their spouse... I just don't get it. Am I a complete idiot, or am I just politically incorrect?

G.

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Extramedium's picture

No one can answer this, and no one really seems interested in how little sense it makes.

What I want to know is the thought process that leads one to conclude that Urban Meyer could possibly have enabled (or prevented) DV? Just the logic flow in a person's mind would be fascinating to see.  It seems to be such a common thread too, it boggles my mind.

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stxbuck's picture

If an abuser knows they can continue w/ the behavior, w/ zero consequence-legal, professional, financial, or otherwise-that is enabling. I don't think that is case in this situation vis a vis Meyer/Smith, but that is what enabling entails.

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G.'s picture

I kind of thought that.. but I still have a hard time believing that, in reality, an abuser is going to stop the abuse due to the threat of, or the actual termination of their employment. I don't know what goes on in the mind of a person who abuses their spouse, but I imagine their actions are well beyond being influenced by an employer.

If it's enabling.. I guess the legal system would rather have abusers be isolated and unemployed, even when there's no cause for arrest or criminal charges.

G.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I think the longer thisngors the more it gives the appearance of being thorough.  I assume the investigator body will talk to everyone to be thorough (they are billing by the hour).  This statement doesn’t suggest anything one way or another in terms of how this plays out.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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OSU_JD's picture

I would like to know how, if he’s waiting on the results like the rest of us, he’s so confident in the team. 

Unless he is getting status reports, and how could he if he’s waiting for the results, there’s no way to know the Committee and its investigators are doing anything worthwhile. 

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

He's confident in the team because he is paying them $1700 an hour. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I assure you nothing comes out of his pocket. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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JTstan16's picture

So basically we should have an answer by the 35th of Nevuary? Awesome! 

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brutus0717's picture

Honestly lost my breath I was laughing so hard at this!!

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Extramedium's picture

Come on man, it deserved a slight upturn of one mouth corner at most.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

I guess we haven't had a good dumpster fire burning, at Ohio State in years. Might as well do it up right.

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mizzer's picture

I came here to comment that my comment is not finished.  When it’s finished I’ll post it.

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DrSpaceman's picture

Mizzer you had previously announced that it would be done by 9:00...?

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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FunZone's picture

I'll withhold my UV (or DV!) until your finished comment has been posted.

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Deano's picture

No time to wait for a finished comment.  DV NOW!!!

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Buckeye Knight's picture

Christine Brennan, is that you?

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mizzer's picture

I’d like to add that things are moving at pace.  I’m gathering together some other words and phrases that provide no more clarity to my progress but are used simply to lenghten my missive and engender a sense of thorough jurisprudence. 

Stay tuned.

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BucknutinNC's picture

Well bulshit! So now this crap might not be over after the weekend?!? Why did they even give us a timetable if they weren't gonna stick to it? Ridiculous!! They should have enough info by now to now if Meyer did what he was required to do by now! Just get this over with already!

A.E. Porter

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daveyt11's picture

At some point that half a million dollars at 1620 per hour is going to run out

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G.'s picture

That'll hang the jury for sure.. then how will anyone know what to do? Hopefully ESPN will provide some divine guidance on that matter.

G.

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brutus0717's picture

I figured it at 4 attorneys for 40 hours/week for slightly less than 2 weeks.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Facemeat2's picture

By my math, that point is 20:38:40 on Friday 8/17/18. 

Edit: Correction on time, 8:38:40 is confusing to civilians 

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Buctor's picture

You need one more edit!

AM or PM?

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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SilverHaven's picture

And if "on pace" it will run out "soon" so let's "stay tuned."

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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DrSpaceman's picture

#FireFickell

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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AC1972's picture

Would really like to know when they will talk to Urban and Gene. You would think that's critical. 

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Possibly already happened. Not everyone makes a press release after being interviewed.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

So much for the Friday news dump. It looks like the Monday prognostications may have some teeth to them. 

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Zacman777's picture

I have a bad feeling that no matter what the committee finds, Drake is going to cave to public pressure. 

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TresselforPres's picture

He's a weenie..bring back Gordon Gee

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Dstacify's picture

You mean the guy who was known for creating controversy by making bigoted comments to the press (for example, hating ND because they're Catholic and calling Boise State and TCU "little sisters of the poor")? Not to mention all the school money he spent directly on himself during his time as president. Yeah, no thanks. I was happy to see Gordon Gee gone as president.

11 Strong.

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sarcastrophe71's picture

And I heard he once said water is wet and pissed off every piece of ice in the known universe,smh

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CowCat's picture

, hating ND because they're Catholic

You do realize that Urban Meyer is a devout Catholic and coached at ND, right?

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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NorthBerg's picture

Turn Fawcett(Novice) off?

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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BucksWinItAll's picture

I have zero faith in Drake or Gene Smith.  This feels like a travesty.

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skinnytrees's picture

This is the what we are dealing with. People like this that do not care about facts or anything else. These people are the "public pressure". These people are the "media".

It absolutely would be a travesty if we let them win.

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CowCat's picture

Great post. I hope we rub it in at State Penn, no matter who our coach is.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Extramedium's picture

If they caved to pressure they wouldn't have done all this.  They'd have fired him immediately.

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BuckeyeRy4's picture

Are you referring to public pressure, or media pressure. If he sticks with the facts that the cool 500K buys, caving to any pressure would be a waste.

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Hovenaut's picture

My sources tell me we're still kicking off on September 1st.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Hovenaut's picture
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I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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RBurgundy4's picture

Coffin corner?

Urban is still on paid leave, so there a chance the KO unit will be better. Ray of sunshine in this whole mess. Chin up! Yeah, I said that, and I meant it.

#CalpoppyStrong

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Huskerbuck's picture

Seems to me that if two weeks is not enough time to interview all parties involved the committee may not be as sharp as everyone thought. Hopefully this doesn't carry into the season.

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ChazBuckeye's picture

This sounds like two weeks just turned into more...

It is time!!!!!

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aj99's picture

I watched the interview.  Drake seems like a sharp and reliable man.  Didn't come across with any sort of bias.  I was actually encouraged, because interviewer kept saying Meyer lied.  Drake would not let her get away with that and told her that he wanted the investigation to consider the big picture and the "context" of Meyer's comments.  Don't lose hope people.  The truth will come out.

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G.'s picture

So Drake was infringing on her freedom of speech/expression and he is a deplorable human being who should be fired? Or at minimum he refused to acknowledge that he is permitting a known liar and fraud to still receive a paycheck, and should likewise be fired?

Just trying to get a jump on the next big story...

G.

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aj99's picture

Haha.  He did interrupt her though to prevent her from going down that path.  She laughed it off.  It was quite cordial.  I'm sure Mcsquirty will rant about it.

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G.'s picture

I'm sure there are texts about it.. he's probably cropping the screenshots right now.

G.

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aj99's picture

Holy frickin crap.  Over $600 million dollars in gifts to the university through July.  I wonder how much of that goes away if they fire Urban?  I wonder if they're considering that?  I have to think they have someone working to put some estimates together for what happens if they fire Meyer.

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tcm1968's picture

Mickey Mouse could be coach and if we keep winning we keep printing money..

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Just remember, you are one bad hire away from being irrelevant.  Just ask Texas or Michigan, monster programs that went through huge down cycles.   Meyer is an ace recruiter and wins at an 85% clip, coaches like that don’t grow on trees.  It is precisely why the fake self righteous crowd wants him gone.  I can’t predict the future, but odds are program takes at least a bit of hit if he is fired.  And that effects the brand to same degree program dips.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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CowCat's picture

FTN = Bingo!

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Sanantonefan's picture

I think TTUN had more than one bad hire. ;)

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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BrutusB's picture

OSU has never struggled to raise money, before or after Meyer. 

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SilverHaven's picture

Never? Well at least not until Gordon Gee in 1990 did OSU get gazillions $$ of donations, but that was so long ago it may seem like forever.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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CowCat's picture

OSU has never struggled to raise money, before or after Meyer. 

True, but the presence of Urban Meyer has taken it to a whole new level. Look at the ticket sales, attendance, media engagement, luxury box sales, etc. etc.

There is no other coach available now that can command that sort of attention.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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southbuc's picture

My thoughts all along. Too much money walks if he’s fired. 

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Buckeye Knight's picture

I agree to a point. Too much money walks if Urban is fired IF he did everything properly. A LOT of people will lose faith in this university if they screw this up.

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Dstacify's picture

I haven't lost hope at all. Even Finebaum thinks Meyer is very likely to keep his job the way things are trending (and no one has advocated more for him being fired). I don't understand why people are so doom and gloom on here just because Drake gave an interview and was tight-lipped about their timetable. Drake is not an idiot, I'm sure he understands that firing Meyer under public pressure with lack of evidence when they spent 500 grand on an investigative committee put together for the sole purpose of obtaining evidence would be a horrific business move for the school. If CS wants to sue the school in response if Meyer is reinstated let her, she won't have much of a case most likely. If they fire Meyer for unjust cause they will be facing a much bigger lawsuit from him that they are much less likely to win. Not to mention if you cave to that pressure just because CS pointed fingers you have to dismiss a good number of Urban's current assistants as well and basically start the team completely over from scratch (remember CS pointed her finger at all of Urban's assistants, not just Urban himself, when she said "all the coaches' wives knew"). It's a slippery slope for the program to take that approach period.

11 Strong.

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buckeyepastor's picture

I’m trying to be hopeful, but the people Drake brought in are trained and schooled in damage control and building cases for prosecution.  I am sure they are all honorable and professional.  But it’s hard to imagine them not recommending that the University bow to public opinion and fire their coach.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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CowCat's picture

BP, I hear you.

But I hope that the administration realizes that Ohio State head coaches will always be in the spotlight. We will always be the target because we're consistently one of the best teams in the nation. People not on the Buckeye bandwagon rejoice when there's any hint of trouble within our program.

Provided Urban didn't break any rules or cover anything up, it would be a feeding frenzy for all of our detractors. Not only would there be a wrongful termination suit, they would have to pay out $7-9 million in a desperation grab to hire a 2nd-or-3rd-rate replacement.

Just give Urban a slap on the wrist. Paid time leave = suspension + covering the $500,000 in legal fees and be done with it.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I am getting so tired of this steamin hot take.  As if “bowing to public opinion” can be a valid stated basis for firing Urban. If you fire him for cause you must give the reason, otherwise, expect Urban to sue the school (unless they cut him a check for the full amount, and I agree with others above, it makes zero sense to fire him for cause then pay him in full).  I really wish the chicken littles on here would stop saying this stupid shit.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Dstacify's picture

BP let me put it to you like this. No decision in this case is going to please everyone, period. What Drake needs to do is ultimately what's best for the school and regardless of what biased cesspool networks like ESPN (who hate the B1G anyways) say firing Meyer will absolutely NOT be best for the school if there is no incriminating evidence that he lied about reporting the 2015 incident up the chain. If there is no evidence Drake should look at this decision from this perspective. Do you care about what's going on inside of your house or outside (aka all the media attacks against OSU over this)? Cause if he fires Meyer for BS reasons not only will the school likely be facing a lawsuit from Meyer himself for wrongful termination but the student body will completely turn on Drake en masse if that happens. People within the University dropping out in protest or simply protesting against Drake's leadership is a much more nightmarish scenario for him then any criticism that may come from people outside OSU who aren't associated with the University in any way and are paid to incite their readers to begin with. Based on what I saw out of this interview Drake seems to be a smart guy and not the top to make hasty, desperate decisions. At this point I have faith that he'll do the right thing. If he instead decides to scapegoat Meyer then fuck him.

11 Strong.

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butcherpreacher's picture

Just let this be over and move on.  Urban will come out squeaky clean.   [Image result for squeaky clean]

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bucksandsurfing's picture

Not sure what's left to investigate.  They've interviewed Zach, Courtney, Lynn, Tina, and attempted to contact the Powell Police.  I'm sure they've reached out to Urban and Shelly as well.  There's nothing left.  It's puzzling and frustrating to hear the possibility this would last  longer.   

My guess is the investigation is complete.  The investigation committee will need to reach a conclusion and write a formal report with a recommendation to the University.   That will probably take a few days.  I'm sure the law firm will milk every last billable hour at that $1600/hour rate.   

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tcm1968's picture

Players? Coaches? Potentially Ex-Players and Ex-Coaches? not to mention all the employees who work in and around the team. That's a long list...

This was NEVER going to be let's talk to a handful of people and call it a day.... 

Go Bucks!

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Buctor's picture

Smith and Drake, the folks that actually control hiring and firing?

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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bucknuthoffy7's picture

Doesn't Urban Meyer have a dog?? They might be interviewing him to see what he overheard Urban and Shelly say at the the dinner table. This is getting ridiculous!

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fear_the_nut70's picture

dogs don't talk.  Shelley spells here name with a second "e."  Otherwise, this was a good post.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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tcm1968's picture

Trust the process.

Go Bucks!

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

The question l find myself asking the longer this drags on is why did Meyer have this guy on his staff.  I really don't buy a guy like Urban with that job in a town like Columbus was oblivious to all the carrying on surrounding Smith.  There is just no way word of these events would not have made its way to his ears whether Smith told him or not. There were simply too many incidents involving to many people.  This had to be a calculated risk on Meyer's part with a reason behind it and I am beginning to suspect it has something to do with Smith's effectiveness as a recruiter. The question is does it come back to bite him. I hope not, but I think it is anyone's guess at this point.

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LCT's picture

^yep

Urban Meyer isn't clueless, dumb, aloof (each required to have no idea what a disaster Zach Smith is)

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Facemeat2's picture

You’re a hateful, vindictive cuss aren’t you? We get it, you hate urban. Now please shut the fuck up 

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LCT's picture

Why would I "hate" Urban? Why would anybody? The guy screwed up. To what degree is debatable. I think he demonstrated *really* bad judgment in keeping Zach Smith around for as long as he did and now it's cost the university. To me that's fireable at a place like Ohio State.

If Urban gets fired he only has himself to blame. Zach Smith wasn't worth all this.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Extramedium's picture

I agree Zach Smith wasn’t worth all this.  And I agree Urban wasn’t oblivious.  But point one is that Urban wouldn’t have been the one to fire Smith, it would have been the AD.  Point two is that a lot of accusations with lack of charges or proof are not fireable offenses.  It feels good writing that, feels like forever ago we were making that point.  Feels bad that we are still stuck on it though.

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Buckets At Fletcher's's picture

Here is what is taking so long; urban and the committee both figured out that the accuser is full of crap, the accused did his part to minimize her lunacy, and they need to properly and accurately document that OSU and Urban cannot be responsible for a damned vindictive liar determined to sink the ship. You can't let evil win out here just becuase the haters are hating.

"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."

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tcm1968's picture

If this does turn out to be the case ( we don't know yet) let's hope it's because he turned a blind eye because of the Earle relationship..  that probably gets you suspended ( again if they find that it happened).. the alternative is he protected a bad guy for football reasons ( recruiting, wins and loses) and that probably gets your fired...

Still hoping Urban raised his concerns along the way and it's all documented and he couldn't fire Zach for some reason.

Go Bucks!

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southbuc's picture

I think he was tired of the Zach and Courtney circus and just put it out of his mind for the past 4 + years 

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buckeyepastor's picture

I don’t buy that he covered for Zach to win games.  He is a good recruiter, but not that good.  He is a good coach, but not that good.  He is the only OSU assistant who, even after 2014, I do not recall anyone calling to make him their coordinator or head coach or any other sort of promotion.  Meyer has said that he prefers coaches give him at least two years before moving on to other jobs, but that if they are doing their job well, he doesn’t expect them around forever.  6 years Zach Smith was on staff, and would still be if not for being fired.  After Coombs left, he and Coach Mick were the only ones remaining from 2012.  I am sure he loves OSU, but I think Meyer kept him on because of his respect for Earle Bruce.   I think that merits a suspension, but not a firing.  But then again, this is being decided by a roomful of lawyers who are there to recommend what’s best for OSU’s “brand.”  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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ChristianHaven's picture

How many times does this same question pop up about an answer as to why Urban was keeping Zach on board.  Here's the legal response:

Your honor, the question was asked and answered.  Will the Court please advise opposing counsel to quit badgering the witness?"

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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BrutusB's picture

I don’t really think Drake has much of a decision to make. He’s going to do whatever the committee recommends. 

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brutus0717's picture

I'm actually surprised that he did this interview. It really doesn't serve a purpose as far as I can tell. But it MIGHT still show that they're trying to cover all of their bases in the event that Meyer is retained. I've personally gone back and forth as to what their motive is, and right now I'm stuck in neutral. If the entire decision will be based off wrongdoing, Meyer stays. If they get tired of the new daily tabloid headlines, I'm not sure what will happen. And yes Dr. Drake, I'll be staying tuned.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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aj99's picture

It's a great interview.  If you care about tOSU in the big picture it's worth listening to, especially if you enjoy npr like I do.  She asks some pretty good questions about Strauss.  And he doesn't let her get away with anything.  He's very sharp.  She tried to say that multiple students' complaints were ignored, and he was like...umm no.

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Buckeye boys's picture

Good news coming fast , no doubting just believe coach urban knows who is looking into this stuff and said it best at bottom of his quote ( be back with the team soon )... just trust urban

Ttun sucks

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skinnytrees's picture

This cannot possibly be good news.

Everyone possible has been investigated. There is nothing there there we can see.

The story is slowly starting to die in the media after new revelations and people are jumping on the no fire bandwagon outside of here.

Just the possibility I predicted just hours ago. Unless there is extreme evidence of coverup of real domestic abuse this will be the firing Urban without reason because of some political virtue signal.

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Extramedium's picture

It's not good news, and it's not bad news.  It's just "hey general public, why didn't you realize that 'within 14 days’ thing was a general estimate and shouldn’t be have been taken as gospel?”

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Zimmy07's picture

I came here for the Drake gifs / memes.  At least you didn’t let me down.

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RocknRollover's picture

I’m starting to also lean back towards thinking that Meyer is not going to survive this investigation.  

Drake’s comments here seem to ring off a “smuggish” tone towards the entire situation, and after the way he handled the Waters situation, I feel like he is going to do everything he can to develop an excuse to get rid of Meyer even if the reason is nonsensical.

He just better be ready for the reaction from fans if he walks down this path, because it will not be pretty.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

Ironically it’s was Meyer’s Media Day response that was considered “smuggish” by some.

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RocknRollover's picture

I won’t dispute that BuckarootX2.  

It is also very possible that I am taking what Drake said completely out of context since I didn’t watch the actual interview.  Reading versus hearing often produces completely different impressions.

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Extramedium's picture

Using terms like “stay tuned” and how he wouldn’t fall into her trap about lying being fireable had the opposite effect for me. 

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buckeyenut74's picture

If he fires Meyer off the information we have, I’ll be furious, and that’s going to be it for me for a long time. The only thing they have right now is media pressure and their non stop drum beating over wanting Meyer fired. 

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tcm1968's picture

Well to be fair.... The info "we" have is probably like 5% of what they have.. outside a ton of speculation we're flying in the dark on what really happened with a lot of this stuff... 

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skinnytrees's picture

How could we only have 5% of the information

Unless this investigation isnt about this case at all

We know practically the entirety of the information on the situation that started this all the way from no legal action on domestic abuse, to setting up trespass, and all the way down to the mother thinks her daughter is a liar and Courtney was the problem.

We even know that Herman's gave her 10k for a lawyer which is interesting for another reason I suppose.

Seriously what is that other 95%? If there is another 95% that is awful news. I figured after yesterday we had about 99% of the news.

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SilverHaven's picture

and most of all, SkinnyT, we have the skinny from two corroborating witness, Zach Smith and Urban Meyer, who say AD Gene Smith knew about the allegations in 2015.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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tcm1968's picture

Urban never said that... he said "I passed on the information to the appropriate person".. that's not Gene.. that's compliance.. 

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SilverHaven's picture

Good point, TCM, we don't know who was the "appropriate person" Urban talked with, so it may not have been Gene.  However, if we accept his statement, then Urban took appropriate action in following protocol, and is not liable for not reporting.

And good points below, too, TCM.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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tcm1968's picture

From one Buckeye to another I think you're too focused on Courtney and Zach. Most of that information you know has ZERO to do with this. All that he said she said the Mom said stuff is just a nothing burger to most of what the committee is doing. There's some overlap as it pertains to Zach on campus and the DV stuff but that's just a small part of this..

This is about Zach an OSU employee and what he did on OSU campus or at OSU sponsored events and wether Urban did everything he was supposed to do to protect the students around Zach and the University. All the way back to the initial hire and through him being fired..

A GIANT chunk of this is going to be about the OSU compliance department. We literally know ZERO about what happened in 2015. 

We literally no zero about 2012 when Zach was initially hired..

We literally do not know what Gene knew and when he knew it..

We don't know if anyone else submitted anything about Zach in addition to the 2015 DV accusations..

We don't know if Gene and the compliance department knew about the 2009 incident..

List goes on and on...

People are too dialed into all the Facebook junk that's just a giant sideshow imo..

You don't form a committee because a dude has a bad marriage.. People don't want to hear it but the committee was formed to make sure OSU is protected moving forward and to make sure nothing bad happened over the last 6 years. Finding guilt or innocence with Urban is secondary to that investigation..

Too many people want to say.. she's nuts, which makes Zach look better so Urban should be back Coaching TODAY.. and this is about so much more than football. This is about the school.. the protocols of the school... did anyone damage the school reputation.. big picture stuff..

Go Bucks!

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

Well there are a whole lot of potential emails that are completely out of  the public view.  I feel reasonably sure it is very much what we don't know that will determine whether Meyer stays or goes and I doubt we ever see any of that information.

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hetuk2002's picture

It is what it is, I believe Drake. I don't think he's the biggest supporter of football but also don't think he'd go against the committee if they found nothing, it'd be insane to be liable for a $40 million salary without cause, might as well buy him out then if you just wanted Meyer gone

Football > Soap Operas

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LessScarletMoreGray's picture

"It will be finished when it's finished." or when they've spent the whole $500K

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MaxMermelstein's picture

Not sure how anybody could say this is good or bad for Meyer.  Drake said he'll make a decision after he reads the report.

It's not really his decision anyway.  It's the Trustees' decision.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

And as I have said before, this isn't just about Meyer. It's about the entire reporting system of the university, what can be required of employees, what would run afoul of privacy laws, what can be demanded in contracts, what can't , who has responsibility to fire individuals whose personal lives have a conduct issue, etc. If it were simply about Meyer reporting properly, the A team wouldn't have been called in, nor an outside group of lawyers assembled to take whatever the A team has found and and turn it into recommedations for the future.

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Osu1997rk's picture

He had to say what he did.  If he said anything else the media would have spun it... crazy world we live in. ..

One man that has a mind and knows it can always beat ten men who haven't and don't.

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Hate the Drake.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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LCT's picture

Solid

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Likes

Comedy

Television

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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mt10277's picture

I was thinking today that while Urb has been off he’s made more than I will for many years. With all that pay comes an equal amount of responsibility, but as diligent as he seems to be with minute details I find it hard to believe they’ll find enough to fire him for cause. After seeing Schiano’s speech to the players, this team is gonna pissed, if their coach gets fired I see us beating the hell out of everyone. No better way to relay a FY than by doing what they said we couldn’t do in 2014. 

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osubux5600's picture

A couple of thoughts. Drake is not, and has never been, a Buckeye. He is for what is best for Michael Drake. That became evident with Dr. Waters. Obviously, I do not know what exactly he is thinking with the information he has, but I am willing to bet it will be whatever makes him look the best. Unfortunately, I do not think he has any intention of giving a middle finger to the media,  even if the investigation would back him up. Since the beginning, Urban indirectly pointed the finger at Gene Smith, and left everything in his lap. We'll see who matters most to Drake when this is finished. I think most of us know that answer. In the end,  I hope to God I am totally wrong.

"The Pride of the Buckeyes"

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bbb's picture

You obviously don't know Drake well at all. 

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TarBuck's picture

By all available accounts, Meyer should have already been reinstated; what utter nonsense and kangaroo ""justice"" this has been. I hope Drake does the right thing. I hope he realizes that caving to "public" "outcry" is not a precedent that should be set, at any university, and certainly not our own in this current climate.

If the worst is confirmed, I hope Dr. Drake is insightful enough to realize the Virtue Crusade will not halt. Ms. Smith will sue the school; former students will have grounds to sue the school. The swimming debacle will be Round 2. The 1990’s wrestling fiasco will result in more lawsuits. Boosters and alumni will turn away at such brazen defeatism. In short, caving to the "public" would be admitting The Ohio State University is one rife with sexual, political, and predatory tendencies. It tarnishes all of us for no reason, and it’s a capitulation no administrative staff ANYWHERE HERE survives. Gene would be removed. Drake would be removed. Current and future coaches will remember this eminent danger when considering the spot. New students will be called enablers. The list goes on.

So please Dr. Drake, don’t offer us up like lambs to the slaughter just to appease a witless mob of outsiders.

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IN.Buckeye's picture

“There's a great deal of interest in this investigation so we wanted to make sure we had really good information...”

I hope this wasn’t the main motivation for really good information.

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Deano's picture

I honestly think the firing of Waters (band director) and the backlash he faced from that helps Urban.

He might have thought bowing to outside pressure was the easy way out.  He knows now, beyond doubt, from personal experience, that there is no easy way out for him. He is in a lose-lose scenario from a Michael Drake perspective.  There will be an angry horde, be it OSU alumni or Syracuse/Northwestern Journalism grads. 

He doesn't make it to Christmas if he fires Meyer (failing something particularly damning in the report that would justify his firing).

Frankly, $38 million dollars is a drop in the bucket (well, maybe a small pour in the bucket) compared to the donations that are at stake here.  They don't want to fire him with cause to save money.  They want to fire him with cause so that the more level headed among us say "yeah, I guess he had to go" the same way "you can't retain a coach who punched an opposing player".  They want to retain him with cause so that the more level headed among the outside say "DV is bad in America, and the system is broken, but Ohio State handled this situation as well as could be expected".

Also, it could be he got a call from the law firm that said "We'd like to have until Monday to draft our report."  Drake then gets the bonus outside points that the committee was permitted to go beyond the original (artificial) deadline - more credence that the committee was conducting a legit investigation on their terms.

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Ruby5's picture

Thank God we have a handful of really good coaches.     Day is not in over his head because he has ex-head coaches in Wilson and Schiano to lean on.  Meyer is elite but at least Day has a lot more help than LF did.  The culture is in place and I don’t think the Bucks will skip a beat game 1. I’m worried about recruiting. 

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GoBuckswin's picture

I don't think OSU even has to have a press conference. Just a simple press release that Coach Meyer has been reinstated. The pres release can say that Coach Meyer followed proper procedures and since ZS was never convicted of a crime, there was no cause to fire him back in 2015. Sure ESPN will protest for a few days, but then it will be over. Mich. State let the storm pass and they kept BOTH their football coach and basketball coach, both alleged to have done far more serious things than Urban. 

    If OSU does the unthinkable and fires Urban to please ESPN and the pc people of the world, it will do so much damage to the university in so may ways, financially, emotionally, etc., and it is not right.

Bucks fans in Mass

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Thank God academics don’t run the real world - just their own little enclaves. We’d be in some seriously deep shit if they did.

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bbb's picture

You wouldn't say that if you listened to the interview

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Bamabucknut's picture

Working for OSU---------->guilty till proven innocent .

When is the last time an OSU department head was suspended for what one of their employees may or may not have done in a domestic matter ?

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biggy84's picture

Exactly! Would a professor be fired if one of their interns may have had a toxic relationship? No! This whole situation is a joke. 

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TheVictoryBell's picture

Drake is a clown. The university is pathetic for how they threw Urban Meyer under the bus and continue to throw him under the bus. Sick of these cowards just bending over to the dishonest agenda driven media. 

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Facemeat2's picture

This. The university owes Urban Meyer a public apology. At this point, if I’m Urban, im out. I’ll take my buyout and go coach Notre Dame for a whole shit ton of money. Thanks for being bitches Ohio state 

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buckeyechick24's picture

Why do people keep connecting Meyer’s name with Notre Dame? I know he chose to coach Florida over ND. Other than that people keep talking like ND is his dream job and he is going to leave any day now. What’s up with that?

Go Bucks!

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ChristianHaven's picture

Assuming this is a logical, rather than a rhetorical question, the answer is simple:
Urban Meyer has had clauses in his coaching contracts which state he could leave early without penalty if offered a the head coaching job at Ohio State or Notre Dame.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

I seem to recall that his UF  contract included Michigan as well.

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ChristianHaven's picture

Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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osubux5600's picture

This was a point I forgot to mention in my earlier post. I worry about how Urban feels about the University after all the dust clears with the thought that he is fully reinstated.  Everyone has wondered how long he would stay at Ohio State. I'm hoping this mess doesn't expedite whatever timetable he had planned.

"The Pride of the Buckeyes"

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Louie1131's picture

I know this is an OSU football forum and reality isn't supposed to play a part in our posts but come on.....

Dr. Drake is actually one of the most brilliant humans on the planet. And while I am a huge buckeye football fan and think that Urban should be reinstated, I wonder if people realize that football is not the cash cow of Ohio State. Yes, it brings in A LOT of money, but NIH grants, NSF grants, and federal funding for the hospital research make the football revenue a (very) distant second. Drake is killing it in things that actually matter for his job responsibility (need I remind everyone that there is more to life than the game we all love so much). There are very few things that could make me give up my Buckeyes on Saturdays, but successful cancer research being done at the James is definitely one of them. So before you call Dr. Drake a clown, remind yourself of the fact that this is all quite literally a game, and that we should want our alma mater to shine for everything, including academic achievements, otherwise OSU is no better than the trash "backup schools" with good football teams some kids have to go to in the south east.

I wish the real world would just stop hassling me...

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SilverHaven's picture

"actually one of the most brilliant humans on the planet."

1. I guess that actually puts Drake right up there with Tom Herman of Mensa.

Yet Herman and Drake made many a mistake.  The major hiring and firing gaffs and stumbling professional and political missteps of Drake as an administrator are well documented (altho' he may have been a brilliant eye surgeon, I don't know.) 

Perhaps paraphrasing the great philosophers applies:

"Only someone really smart could do something so stupid."

2. You make a very good point, Louie, about the funding and grants for all the other educational and medical activities of OSU.  My understanding is that Gordan Gee was by far the absolute best "rainmaker" for pulling in beau coup bucks at universities.  That is why Gee is such a hot commodity as a university president and why he was hired at OSU-- twice!  Is Drake as good as Gee at funding, or is he reaping where his predecessor sowed?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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TheVictoryBell's picture

One of the most brilliant people on the planet? Lolol. Based on what exactly? And let’s be honest about the situation with the hospital. It is illegal to find a cure for cancer that isn’t a patentable drug. Pharmaceutical drugs don’t cure anything they just mask symptoms for a while and cause more issues down the road. The cures have been banned, big pharma runs these labs and hospitals as their research center to make more billions and keep us sick. 

Lets quit pretending that they’re interested in curing cancer. Multiple natural cures have been found and banned and the founder thrown in jail or killed. These are all facts and this isn’t political. 

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Knarcisi's picture

There are cures for cancer???

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ChristianHaven's picture

I don't know for sure about cancer, but there is no cure for stupid.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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TheVictoryBell's picture

Look up hydrogen peroxide therapy. Back in the early 1900’s a doctor won a Nobel Prace Prize for finding that no disease can live in an alkaline body. Of course that info is suppressed today because big pharma controls most of the media and writes the medical school text books. 

Big pharmaceutical companies are public traded companies. By law they have to do whatever makes the most profit. So they suppress cures and treat symptoms forever making billions. 

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

If  there  were cures for  cancer the rich and powerful would know about them regardless of whether anyone else did or not and Steve Jobs would still be running Apple.

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osubux5600's picture

Ask Dr. Gee how putting the football program a distant second worked for him the first time around...

"The Pride of the Buckeyes"

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Drackett84's picture

1.  Drake is destroying the James Cancer Research Center by removing funds they’ve generated and diverting them to other medical areas.  So please don’t tell me he’s “killing it”, Mrs. Drake

2.  Florida State actually is getting more research dollars than ever from Federal grants after the Jameis Winston scandal......the one in which a player was accused of rape by a current student......dna samples were taken .....police actively sought to damage the case

3.  The university completely kicked the entire issue over to the police which they said was all the had to do 

FSU flipped the media the bird and was rewarded for it

OSU shows weakness and gets crucified 

if it drags on further, I’d resign and go coach ND or anywhere else 

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buckeyepastor's picture

Penalty for lying to the media?  At first I thought that, but then it was made known that the day before, McMurphy announced the lie that Smith was arrested in 2015.   If this is what Urban heard, for the first time, and thought it was made up and untrue, that’s not lying about anything.  Context matters.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Kibbey's picture

The last thing anyone needs is for Urban to come back without a suspension and have it look like a football decision. In the big picture a couple more days don't matter if all the i's are dotted and t's crossed.

If they were going to fire him, they would be in a hurry so they could kill the headlines.

This is the right message given the severity of the issue. Protecting OSU's reputation and restoring Meyer's reputation is worth the waite.

Kibbey

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

This was your basic "say a lot without saying anything" interview, the kind that college presidents can give in their sleep and probably often do, so I'm not sure why there's been such a violent reaction to it in here. Looks to me like Drake is either deliberately keeping far away from the details of the investigation so no one can accuse him later of butting in, or really wants that to look like the case.

I do think announcing the two-week timetable originally was a mistake, since it was inevitable there would be a massive overreaction if it looked like they weren't going to make it.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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bucksfan4life's picture

Compare this to the Maryland President's statement a few days ago. Yeah Urban is going to be just fine guys. Calm down and step off that ledge. If things looked really bad he'd be apologizing and owning up to what the accused claims. He didn't do that did he? No he talked up how reputable and unbiased the committee was. Hm.

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Buck298's picture

Exactly.

Send the Earth Reverberating

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johngobuck's picture

I honestly think Urban's point of view in 2015 was this.   They were separated and getting divorced.   She didn't press charges.   They would soon be divorced and all drama  or whatever else was going on would be over.  I don't think it is possible that Urban could have known one way or the other what was true at the time.  Especially since nobody would go on the record.  And not knowing means that any decision he made concerning Zach's employment would be a guess.   He could have fired Zach just because of the potential bad press  But that would would only make things worse for both Courtney and Zach.      It would only pour gasoline on the fire while they were getting divorced.   I think Urban did the best and most human thing he could do at the time.    

For me the only just cause Ohio State would have to fire Urban Meyer is if they can show that he knew for a fact that Zach was beating his wife and he chose to ignore that and keep employing Zach over the term of their marriage.   

If Ohio State fires Urban Meyer simply to save face, make the problem go away, avoid the media pressure then I as a fan will be gone gone gone.   I love sports but I also love a little bit of justice and loyalty.    So if Ohio State says they are terminating Urban Meyer and their reasons are shrouded in fancy words and crap like "failed to exercise judgement to our standards" and other BS then I'm out.

For me the only thing Ohio State should be concerned about is doing what is right by Urban Meyer,  Gene Smith, and whoever else they are looking at.  

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BroJim's picture

Yeah, I wouldn’t hold my breath about the final determination coming out Friday.

I season my simple food with hunger

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SilverHaven's picture

Always a +UV for Johnny and the Great Carnac.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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HoosierBuck's picture

Some thoughts:

1. Too bad UFM can't enjoy his paid vacation!

2. Guilty til proven innocent is a bitch! 

3. Urban's body of work unrelated to football says to me what kind of man he is! 

4.This has gone way too far!

All I am gonna say about this.   

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PsyBuck's picture

Good Lord people. You all act like Drake said "well the investigation is still going but I will say this, it's not looking good for Urban Meyer."

His interview was almsot as neutral and uninformative as humanly possible. I get it, we've all had 2+ weeks to constantly second guess ourselves on what will happen. But remind yourself of some facts.

One, Urban is still employed at Ohio State. If Drake was as much of a coward as people claim, he could have fired him 2 weeks ago and then dealt with the consequences later.

Almost every shred of evidence (McMurphy's and CS's fake or misleading texts excluded) points to the fact that even ZACH was mostly innocent, let alone Urban Meyer. Yes I know Zach cheated on his wife and half of you have probably done the same and would still call the guy filth for it.

The longer the investigation goes, the more I think it's about preparing the university's defense against the media and any future nonsense from CS after they reinstate Meyer.

If there was information that would lean towards Urban having done something that was a fireable offense, this investigation wouldn't still be going.

And for the love of God, Drake didn't say "well there's still a lot we don't know so it's gonna be a lot more than 2 weeks". Wouldn't shock me if there's a presser tomorrow, but I didn't get the impression that this will go much past Monday.

Take your anxiety meds and stop hallucinating implications from Drake's interview. It literally didn't reveal a thing.

Urban will be back, and soon. Book it.

"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

half of you have probably done the same

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dudesweet's picture

I have never trusted Drake. To me he comes across as a man that can not make a common sense decision. As has been stated already thankfully he won't be making the decision himself. At this point i think it's cya and write a decision aka a statement that absolves Urban of any wrong doing and makes the University look like they were thorough. Man i hope i'm right.

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Agreed. Drake goes how the winds prevail, he will not "make a stand" if his life depended on it. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Perplexing to me that the boss (Gene Smith) and the boss's boss (Dr Drake) of the highest paid employee in the all-time history of the State (URM) doesnt know after 2 weeks if their own employee followed the rules of his contract????

Im now starting to hold Gene Smith and Dr Drake accountable. 

BucksHave7

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mr.green's picture

The PRESIDENT of Maryland may  go down today. Dr. Drake is watching that too. Lots to think about. 

Confident — as i have been since the start — that the Board and Dr Drake will do the right thing. 

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elitesmithie's picture

Well considering Maryland's staff DIRECTLY LED TO THE DEATH OF A PLAYER, I think it may be a tad different then whether Urban may or may not have known about a coaches marriage issues.

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buckeyedude's picture

Sometimes real leadership comes from being bold and going against the mob (media and haters), when you know it's the right thing to do.

Free Urban.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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FLBuckeyeRick's picture

What a well thought out man. He's the president? Woof

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Buckeye boys's picture

This has got to be the worse thread out of them all and there has been many ! 

Nothing has changed nothing knew against urban . If something new came out it’s from Zack & Courtney  Moms saying that  zack did not hit her . So once again look only at facts 

1. Courtney Smith says he grab me  

2. Zack says  it was defense  Zacks mom says the same , Courtney mom says the same , police says the same , no charges ! No hospital visit ! And Zack is fired already . Gene Smith knew and urban is very very smart he would not had posted on Twitter he did the right protocol and will be back with team soon . , drake and board all know this is way overboard ! 

We as fans have said Friday news around 5:00 it could go to Sunday . All the big time reporters said he was fired at the beginning but now say he will be are coach . And even though it is horrible news the Maryland story is bigger and more important right now . I 100 percent believe urban stays and the  University will receive all the proof to keep him . We are blowing this up to much thinking the media is going to make us fire him , Drake don’t talk much to the media as a very long fan that video is the first time I ever seen him . So be cool are coach is staying. If we end this thread now and let it go away within 2 hours we can start a new one  Full of optimism and encouragement as we wait to hear good news around five till Sunday 

go bucks 

 Oregon State  7 the good guys 42 

Ttun sucks

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ncinthenext3's picture

Someone just slap me please for not ignoring what I knew would be a double-speaking pencil neck administrators non-committal takes before I even clicked on it.  I'll take it like a man, but never get that 60 seconds back damn it.

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NYWoodyFan's picture

Firing Meyer would admit liability, even suspending him would add legitimacy to CS’s eventual shakedown for a settlement.

The university not only has to reinstate Meyer, but it has to prepare a media strategy to explain his actions and their decision, but also craft a legal strategy. Even though CS is not credible, the university can’t seem to be engaged in victim shaming as they face her inevitable lawsuit.

It’s a tricky path, and given those challenges, Drake’s statement seems consistent with someone who understands that reinstating Meyer requires a fully thought out process. 

I am not sure punitive actions against Meyer make sense given CS lawsuit. 

Matt

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J Ry's picture

A lot of people are assuming she will file suit against the university but I still haven’t heard a coherent reason for doing so. Unless we learn something new, what grounds exist for a suit, how was the university negligent? 

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cledaybuck's picture

Isn't this exactly what you would say if you wanted to do a thorough investigation and then make any decisions based off of the results of that investigation?  Isn't that what Ohio State is trying to do?  Doesn't it make more sense to just take this at face value than read anything into it?

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Notthatguy's picture

“it will be finished when it is finished”...

.as it should be. Leave no stones unturned.

I would've sent a check but I already sealed up the envelope...

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Fbk64's picture

Making the Great State of Ohio proud. Ohio against the World!

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nickel beer's picture

"The most important thing is to get good information so we can make the right decisions going forward.”

This is the (THE) criterion I think the president will use in making his decision on Meyer's return.  He'll apply it in deciding anything remedial for any discovered organizational deficiency or dysfunction in protocol or procedure, and he'll use the same criterion as a measure for Meyer's decision(s) during the chronology of events given what Meyer could be expected to have known and when Meyer knew at any point during his Buckeye employment (This is the discovery task of the committee.)  It's reactive, in hindsight, but it's how bureaucracy typically works.  It's also the criterion that any other principal employee will be measured by.

I'm not worried for Meyer.  I was at best neutral about him before 2012 , but, to say the least, I've come to respect the guy's values and the way he adheres to what he prescribes for himself and others.  Perfect, no, he's grown most of all with regard to how he handles losing. However, with regard to the treatment of women, come on.  No question in my mind whatsoever.

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hetuk2002's picture

I'm surprised Bud Light didn't give "Investigation is Over" beer to Columbus area bars with the smart lock refrigerators

Football > Soap Operas

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Waterbeagle's picture

This seems like a no brainer to me.  Then I realized that Academia is making the decision.   That crowd is educated to the point of being stupid.  I hope I’m surprised ...

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steveinkc's picture

Read all the posts, have to agree with school of thought that this really isn't about Meyer's guilt or innocence. It's all about the UNIVERSITY and it's image!

All Universities are very liberal, OSU is no exception! Firing Meyer would fit the narrative!! Look at what the President of MARYLAND just did to save the brand of his university! He will end up firing all of them including the AD!!

Would hate to see Meyer get canned but the lying is not a good look for a major University!! The fall out for keeping him will be much greater than if he is fired!!

This is not good for Meyers future!! They have had enough time to sort thru this so why leave all of us hanging in the wind??? Happy we have a great staff in place!! We suffer in recruiting for a while then it will be back to normal!!

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ShodanBuckeye's picture

Hey Steve! You and Bd2999 need to go on a fact finding mission. Even the OSU president put the stops to an NPR interviewer when she started down the "ok, so we know he lied" path. And, since it has been discussed on this board to such an extent, for you to restate it here is just stupid immature trolling.. better yet, why don't you both just go back MgoBlah where the entire fan base can continue their endless-mindless circle-jerk strategy sessions on how to get Urban out of here. F*cking stupid Trolls.

Time and change does surely show...

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FutureIsBright's picture

Two thoughts:

  1. Could it be that they're taking this long in order to have a good explanation for firing Gene Smith?
  2. Does anyone else think that Drake looks just a bit like Gus Fring?
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Dankjams11's picture

Lol I’ve always thought he looked like ole Gus as well

I don't like nice people. I like tough, honest people. Woody Hayes
 

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Gmac44135's picture

If Ohio State fires Urban Meyer without any factual evidence against him, I am sorry but I will not root for the team because of all the people at the top of the university. I graduated 3 years ago from Ohio State and they are my second favorite team besides the Cleveland Indians, so that will be tough.  Firing Urban just to appease  the public just seems so cowardly.  However, If the investigation turns over something dirty on Urban Meyer, I would be okay with whatever punishment they give him.

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BucksHave7's picture

The fact that this is so gray and still so inconclusive tells me Urban should be reinstated, 'maybe 2 game suspension for Err in Judgment'. 

Think about this.....The school gets to spend $500k on investigators and attorneys to uncover what Zach was doing?   Yet Urban should have known it without such an investigation?

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

I think that 500K estimated cost is just a tad too low......

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Chicago Connection's picture

Fantastic point in your second paragraph, Buckshave7! Waaay overlooked. Although (sadly)....

The ESPN mouthpieces will ignore this fact or cynically (and ironically) label it as "money well spent to give the appearance objectivity while making a foregone conclusion."

In short, they'll say the $500K was CYA PR money.

To that end, it's interesting to note that Slimebaum has ever-so-slightly pumped his brakes and said that "we'll all know the facts" after the Committee has made their decision. Now, that's surprising on the surface, but will he really respect the Commitee's decision if they let Meyer off the hook?

Don't hold your breath. From what I've seen, most of these commentators are in too deep to ever let Meyer off the hook. The problem is, if they admit that Meyer did nothing wrong, this amounts to admitting that they were wildly unfair in immediately calling for his head to roll and labeling him as the lowest of the low.

Ergo, I've  read Slimebaum's comments as nothing but a false face whereby he's currently patting himself on the back for being duly respectful of "due process," so that if Meyer actually is fired, he'll declare that the Committee was impartial.

HOWEVER...

You can bet your bottom dollar that if the Committee totally exonerates Meyer, Slimebaum will instantly claim that it was a rigged decision from the start and "we all knew" that they were going to reinstate Meyer "no matter what." You can count on it.

In other words, Slimebaum (and ESPN) will prove to be the most insincere non-journalists in sports media, which we already know.

Fact is, Slimebaum's mind is already made up, as are other ESPN contributors, like Christine Brennan, who just wrote an article saying that Meyer has "failed as a human being" case because, as she claimed today with God-like omniscience, she somehow KNOWs that Meyer did nothing to help this "beaten woman."

Yep, that's an exact quote: "Beaten woman."

Never mind that we may discover smoking gun evidence that Meyer did report the 2015 incident, and never mind that we might also discover that there is ZERO evidence Courtney Smith was ever beaten.

BTW, whenever this possibility is brought up to Slimebaum, he immediately shifts the focus and says this isn't the issue--he says we should forget all about Zach Smith, and instead, the real issue and focus should be Urban Meyer's judgment about Smith's "pattern of behavior." How sly of Slimebaum:

See, one moment he's saying that we should all totally forget about Smith, because his guilt of innocence isn't the issue at all, but then the very next moment, he's saying it's all about Meyer's judgment... relative to SMITH!!!! So which is it, Slimebaum?

Never mind the fact that if we followed Slimebaum's word and totally removed Zach Smith from the equation, there WOULD BE NO EQUATION TO CALCULATE! None of this would have ever happened.

Sure, Zach Smith has had a pattern of incidents, but the problem is that those incidents have taken place off the field and there has never been a single charge against him. Now, I don't know about you, but I sure as heck wouldn't want to lose my job because someone kept calling the police and making false charges against me, and that's all it took for my boss to fire because of this so-called "pattern."

Granted, maybe it'll turn out that these weren't false charges, plus, maybe Urban Meyer knew about it and didn't report anything. It doesn't appear that way right now, but if he did, I'd say fire him.

But under the law, Meyer, Zach Smith, Courtney Smith and everybody else in this country are considered to be not guilty until evidence proves otherwise, and for now, all we have is a pattern of evidence for a deeply troubled marriage (with no evidence of physical abuse), and no third party should lose his job because somebody else had a crazy, but nonviolent personal relationship.

 

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Chicago Connection's picture

I suspect what's happening is that the Committee (like the rest of us) has run into more he-said-she-said chaos than they originally anticipated, which (IMHO) benefits Meyer (i.e., a smoking gun decision can't be made without smoking gun evidence), but it also makes it a far bigger challenge to sift through the piles of information and competing allegations then craft an announcement that is duly respectful to all parties yet simultaneously clear, emphatic and convincing about the decision that it has been made and why it's being made.

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McGrind's picture

or a he said, she said and she also said in the case of the threesome gone bad...allegedly of course

Worrry warts worry on..but Urb is back by TCU! 

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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Chicago Connection's picture

Yep. The only reason for worrying now is the unknown, and in this case, given what's at stake and the willingness of people to dish up whatever dirt they can, if there was some unknown smoking gun of evidence, I'm guessing that we already would have seen it, ESPECIALLY if it supported Courtney Smith's case.

If there's an "unknown" smoking gun that hasn't come to light yet, I'm guessing that it's far more likely to show up on Meyer's side, and just for kicks, would I love it if there were a bunch of indisputable documents and other evidence that totally embarrassed the media. 

That said, I doubt it. I'm guessing that Meyer is home free because there is no evidence of anything, that is, other than him reporting incidents, and beyond that, there's nothing but empty he & she said claims off the field. Case closed. Play ball.

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SilverHaven's picture

Is he-said-she-said a side show?  Isn't the crux of the main issue what OSU (Urban, Gene, Drake) knew and what they did about it?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Chicago Connection's picture

Absolutely, SilverHaven, at least as I see it. That's why I've said, to me, he-said-she-said = Meyer is exonerated (assuming he duly reported any alleged incidents and followed university protocol).

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"Drake also did not directly answer when asked why Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith was not also a focus of the investigation in addition to Meyer."

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BucksHave7's picture

Has Geno been on vaca for last 2 week’s?

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buckeyes38462's picture

Here is my thing..

Granted if Zach was beating his wife and Urban covered it up, I can justify firing him for that reason.  At the same time (not saying he should have kept him) but if Urban knew and fired him then how does that help Courtney?  If Urban fired him is that going to shake Zach up to the point where is going to stop???? I think not.  This entire circus has been centered around Courtney as the victim and if everything she said it true that is terrible. But firing Zach would not have improved her life, it would not have stopped the domestic violence. Sometimes staying close to the situation can help keep things under better control (not saying Urban did).  If anything, the media would have spun it that Urban was selfish and didn't care about the victim and only cared about how he looked to others by firing a coach who was beating his wife left them out in the cold.  So, you can't win for losing!!! 

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn!" - Woody Hayes

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maximumblitz's picture

Whatever happened to "A to B. 4 to 6 seconds"?

Obviously, the ($600/hour workers are getting paid by the hour.

If Ohio state players were paid by the hour to make a tackle, they would give up 80 yard plays all the time.

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rockyincbus's picture

You've got barbecue back there?

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TSparky's picture

Based on all available public records, statements, interviews and common sense, coach will be back soon.

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

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45has2's picture

Take all the time you want. Its not like every coach in the country is using Urb's situation as a negative recruiting tool or anything.

Censores irrumasti.

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Bucks's picture

Oh my lanta, please let this newest story drop be a completely cruel trick.

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Furious George 27's picture

This is going how I thought, let the media get over it’s over sensationalism of the issue and and allow the facts to come out with other issues to take center stage like Maryland to where people realize that assuming Meyer was truthful in reporting did everything right it’s a non issue. Again as long as assuming Meyer followed procedures he did nothing to warrant termination. 4 weeks ago the media wanted Meyer fired based on a story that Smith was arrested which was not true to which Meyer said it didn’t happen which is true. Why does McMurphy have a pass for several edits to a story that he claimed was true? Meyer is a great coach but he’s not Batman his duty was to report and by what we know he did, the Powell Police did the job. Anyone’s moral disagreements are with the Powell PD. We’re placing too much on what the media thinks over what is realistic in this situation. The media is just trying to create a story for clicks 

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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weareTHEOSU's picture

I am out of patience, give us our coach back! Please.

The two most important days in ones life is when you're born and when you find out why you were born. We were born to be champions. - TyLue #walkaway 7/30/18

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