I think when all the truths come out we're not going to be surprised. I personally think they're going to say this is a Zach and Courtney issue and OSU is not at fault. Which is what the majority of us have said since the beginning.
As long as we beat scUM.
All the truths will never come out (at least not that anyone can be absolutely certain as to what's true), leaving various conflicting narratives.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if Courtney secretly regrets speaking to McMurphy at all now. That is essentially what has triggered her own mother to stand up against her publically like this. She chose this path so of course her lawyer is going to instruct her to stand firmly by it no matter what. I have no doubt if/when Urban is reinstated as HC she'll feign as much outrage about it as she can. My response to it if she does? As Rhett Butler iconically stated in Gone With the Wind, "Quite frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
I know what you mean. I took a spike and punctured my sister's hoppity hop to see what would happen. The moment I did it, I regretted it...
Soooo. I read this without looking at the graphic, and was like whuuuuut?
Damnit mom, your killing my money grab and 15 minutes of fame!
When your own mother says you need psychological help... that says a lot to me.
Seeing the way her mother speaks, I think Carano could probably use some help as well.
The truth has come out. The truth is Courtney is batshit crazy. She's nuts. A summary of the people who witnessed the relationship and who's side their on:
Courtney's side: Courtney
Zach's side: Zach, Lynn, Cerrano, Courtney's cousin, the Powell police.
I'm sorry, but ZS was not beating his wife. It wasn't happening. This was all made up in Courtney's head.
Yup, posted this before but it’s :
They Said/She Said
Missed the stuff from her cousin, what was that all about?
Not difficult at this point to figure out where she is on the scale....
Great job, GoldenBear! I was wondering when this would show up! +1
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
I can't believe it hasn't shown up either. Who among us hasn't thought about a few H&C girlfriends from our past this week?!
6 hot 10 crazy. Definitely in the danger zone.
"Our kind of families win a few more football games than others." Coach Hayes
First time I've ever seen that... Lmfao
Man card revoked.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
Ah, I see. When did you lose yours?
She’s not hot enough to get away with being this crazy
Never saw this before. I was laughing out loud for real. I wish I could upvote this more than once.
I agree, I think CS is batshit crazy... TBH I'm surprised Courtney isn't a redhead. I dated several redheads while living in CMH and every one of them was batshit crazy.
Unfortunately due to the MeToo movement, and years of men getting away with all kinds of horrible shit towards their WAGS, we now have a knee-jerk reaction to ultimately assume every dude is guilty unless proven innocent, and the media is quick to light the fire on the pyre before they have all the evidence. DV is horrible, and any man actually guilty of it should be prosecuted (and maybe beaten), but I honestly think in this case ZS has been accused of something that he didn't do...
Some people are so delusional they convince themselves that events that never happened actually did. I almost wonder if in CS's drunken haze she actually believes the stories she's convinced herself of.
If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.
I have nothing to add.
She looks like she should be busy somewhere else, asking to see the manager.
Stop abandoning the running backs.
It's great that 11W keeps using that pic of her. Regardless of everything else, I get a chuckle out of it every time.
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory lasts forever. -Falco
I have the exact same reaction as you!
I agree. Also, unless she had appealed directly to the school and/or Urban with her claims and evidence to back them up, there is no way that OSU or their head football coach is in any way responsibile for what may or may not have happened in a private home within a private marriage. Courtney has gone all in and I personally think that she's is being manipulative and less than truthful. What was she going to say? "Uh yeah, mom is telling the truth and the gig is up. Sorry for the inconveniences but Tom and Michelle Herman convinced me that this was a good plan."?
She honestly sounds and seems dumb enough where that could happen.
I agree that what happens in a private home is NOT the responsibility of the employer, whether a university or any other.
The question that needs to be answered is whether a university (perhaps more than another employer) has a responsibility to its students, its donors, and other its stakeholders to maintain a higher level of integrity among its most visible employees and those that interact with the students under their tutelage. I think most of us (maybe not all) would agree that a school should do that. Ohio State football, in fact, demands a standard of conduct among its athletes that is above and beyond what's directly related to being a football player, and we are critical of other programs when that seems not to be the case. How does driving while intoxicated, stealing stuff or hitting someone off the field impair a player's performance on the field. It doesn't. And yet we accept and even insist that there be football-related consequences to bad off-the-field behavior, even in some cases when (for whatever reason) there is no conviction.
The same should be true of the coaches of these players, whether the responsibility for that enforcement lies with the head coach, teh AD or some other university official. And the morals provisions of most contracts reflect that.
Beyond that, things may get a bit more muddy. How solid does information have to be about how serious an incident (or how frequent) before action is taken, and by whom, and must that action be termination? When there are so many factors, there will need to be judgment applied. Legally, there may be a window between "must fire" and "mustn't fire," and again, here judgment must be used. The fact that your judgment may be different from my judgment doesn't make it wrong, unless perhaps of a more extreme case or if there are guidelines in place that establish how that judgment is to be applied, or procedures regarding who must be involved in such a decision. here's where the lawyers and investigators come in.
Title IX legislated who the University has a duty to protect.
If you rewatch her Stadium interview, she concludes with two themes: Urban Meyer turned his back and didn’t protect me, and a University has a higher duty to protect people. Don’t think those two themes weren’t developed by her attorneys and they were then promulgated by McMurphy and the national media.
i mean, you have a duty not to harm anyone. But Title IX spells out to whom Ohio State has a higher duty, and it isn’t a housewife living 15 miles away from Campus.
I think everyone should read up on the University of Colorado case:
Key factual distinction is that the Colorado woman was not the spouse of the asst coach in that case. Court held CU did not owe her a legal duty because she was not affiliated with the school. Query whether spousal status created the requisite affiliation.
University, ahead of police/legal system?
Analytical, I get what you're saying. As I have explained to some of my friends up here in TSUN, if Urban is "guilty" of anything it's being too nice to Zack Smith. Even though, as I understand it, Urban tried in subtle ways to encourage Smith to move on and look into other jobs. While I would be happy to make $340,000 a year, it's too bad that somebody didn't come along and offer him 1/2 mil to coach Towson State or something like that....
That's not to say I know what went on, but I would have liked to see him get let go just based on his inability to manage his personal life better.
Towson University, they dropped the State 20 years ago. Also, why would you wish this mess on them?
I love your post! Sums up my feelings very succinctly!
Quoted from article: "These allegations will be dealt with at the right time and in the appropriate venue. In the meantime, Ms. Smith is committed to taking the high road and is anxious to share the truth after the litigation has concluded. "
SOOO is she turning over a new leaf???
Agreed, I personally am getting tired of hearing about a couples toxic relationship. There are how many of these across the world? Only thing I wanna hear is reinstatement of Meyer asap, Saying he did everything he was required to do and a big I am sorry to everyone across Buckeye Nation and the team for even listening to that idiot Mcdoodle's stupid story that it's main purpose was to start a bunch of shit and make the idiot reported look good. Sry but anymore that is how I feel.
McDildo is a slime bag for doing this. I would have came to the same conclusion had it been Jim Harbaugh in the crosshairs too. Has nothing to do with my loyalty to OSU, it has everything to do with the fact that McCuck willingly played along with someone's chicken shit plan by putting this very personal mess in the spotlight. He did it for his own selfish reasons
...so did she, and so did the Hermanns
One day I will valiantly become a political prisoner of 11W jail.
It's funny how the truth seems to be dependent on the outcome of the investigation.. I mean, if it's the truth.. just share it. Why wait? Unless she's waiting to see what the parameters are for her version of the truth, based on what the report concludes.
Shut up and go away
What truth? We'll never get the 100% truth! And di anyone think Courtney wouldn't deny her mother's claims? What other move does she have here? I mean as it is right now she is on an island alone claiming to be the victim with only McMurphy and her attorney to back her up, every other person in this situation is saying she is full of it. Even after the Michell Herman connection came into light (her supposed best friend) who gave her 10,000 dollars to help her....now it seems even that was done with nafarious motives toward Zack and now Michelle is even trying to distace herself and Tom from Courtney! LOL, Michelle Herman is now saying they weren't and aren't really that close, that she loans people money all the time, she definitely wouldn't call Courtney her best friend, and saying Courtney never actually told her about physical abuse?? Really?!?!? So you just loan people 10 grand that your not close to? Its just coincidence that your Husband and Zack had a falling out and dont like one another and you gave his Ex-wife 10 grand to help her in her attempts to take him down? Hmmm?? Me thinks there is to much that smells off for their not to be an enormous amount of Bullshit attached to this whole situation somewhere! I cant say for sure where the Bullshit lies, but my guess at this point is there is some bullshit everywhere in this, the question is where does most of it reside and where did it start?
At the end of this you are right Zacfannin, this was and is a Zack and Courtney issue and OSU and Meyer should have never been brought into this!
“Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale hath had its effect:" Partial quote from Jonathan Swift. Crazy how quotes can transcend time...
It is time!!!!!
Very Nice Sir! Color me impressed and +1 for you!
Why do we keep the clock ticking on her 15 minutes?
Because 16 days later our coach is still on leave.
I'm watching a family crumble apart in an extremely sinister manner. I'm about to have to tap out of all of this until the investigation is ended.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
right there with ya....this reminds me of high school drama
Or a soap opera. Soon we'll hear about her book deal. Or maybe even a reality TV show..."At home with the Smiths!"
The sooner all this is in the rear view mirror, the better.
Feed the trolls
My wife and I are watching a few episodes of Friday Night Lights a night.
I'm not sure which one is more dramatic.
I think this is precisely how Courtney wanted it. Obviously has some personality disorders.
Was she heading for the high road when she attempted to run Zach over with a vehicle?
Pray for potatoes with a hoe in your hand.
According to her attorney, that vehicle had been hacked by Urban Meyer via OnStar... He's the one to blame
I guess not a single person is telling the truth except for Courtney. I hope McMurphy is happy that he is destroying an already troubled family. There is no way that any of them will be able to forgive each other after all of this.
I think that ship sailed long before McMurphy ever stepped into the picture.
Good old Burt was nice enough to throw them in the National Spotlight for his own personal gain though.
I doubt McMurphy is giving it a second thought. His only concern is probably being sure he is out of reach of a defamation suit. Slime like him don't have guilt issues about much of anything.
Scarlett & Gray > Blue and Gold
Obviously, Urban Meyer and Court’s mom are lovers.
- Exclusively Reported by Brett McMurphy.
Great, so now Urban can go out in a shameful blaze of infedility accusations just like RichRod did at Arizona lol.
I hope for some sort of peaceful resolution for this family - for the sake of those kids.
I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...
Unfortunately, I do not see how it is possible at this point.
So true, Hov. Kids always get the shitty end of the stick in cases like this.
Bucks Fan since 1970
I completely agree Hov, but I dont think that's possible. The kiddos were even used (and I mean that in the sinister sense) in this statement. The whole statement seems to come directly from the mouth of a lawyer and contains no feeling or emotion, but is full of calculation and cunning. Just reading it made me sick to my stomach.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
"To be the best, you've got to beat the best." -Woody Hayes
She only speaks thru that attorney now.
Timing of this statement is interesting, since she now knows the committee just interviewed Carano.
I think it is pretty telling. I’m more and more convinced they intend to sue the University. So, they have a lawsuit to think about.
Thats the key thing here. What people who have dug deep enough here know who her new boyfriend is...and gasp.....he's a lawyer and is connected to who is representing her now...I wonder who is pulling the strings here and what firm he works for. Note I don't believe its right to DOX him or his firm as there are people who would harass them.
Santen & Hughes has made a public notice of appearance, as H. Louis Sirkin has filed his notice in Delaware County. That is public record. I had not heard the current boyfriend was affiliated with the firm.
One of my friend's wives was friends with her in Columbus and still was Instragram friends with Courtney. He sent me screenshots of Courtneys' instagram (it was private before, deleted now) which is where I found her new boyfriend (check photos you've been tagged in people, its a dead giveaway even if you don't post them yourself). A quick google and looking at his work history shows it. His stuff is now private as well and its not right to dox him for just being involved with crazy - I'd wager you'll learn more about it after the findings are released and all of the related parties are revealed.
She walked a difficult line for several years: call the cops on her husband/ex, but preserve his ability to make a big salary.
Now, the salary is gone. Michelle Herman is not sending more checks. It's lawsuit time!
Fairly apparent at this point. The statement mentioned "litigation". Can't get more obvious than that
I tend to be a little cynical, but also try to be compassionate when appropriate. When someone goes to the media with her story or something that occurred quite some time ago, I lean towards my cynical nature and that it seemed self serving. Couple with comments (her own) about not pressing charges because of financial support, money was the first motive I considered for that interview. So yes, after OSU comes out with their findings, I expect a lawsuit, no matter what course of action they take.
If the evidence points in Urban's favor in terms of how he reported the ZS claims up the chain in 2015 what case does she have? She only has a case against the school if somebody higher up the chain instructed the Powell PD to brush the incident under the rug and keep it from becoming public knowledge at the time (and I see no evidence of that anywhere so far in this investigation since the Powell PD were involved from the get go). What else is she going to do, sue the Meyer family? That would really show the public her true colors if she did considering Shelley Meyer did nothing but try to help her after the previous two incidents took place. And if Drake fires Meyer solely because he's scared of a lawsuit against the school from Courtney if Meyer is retained he can pack his bags and get the hell out of Columbus for good. Drake already has that previous mess with the former OSU band director on his hands, it's crucial that this decision be made solely on facts and facts alone, and not influenced by any legal threats that CS and her lawyer might be making.
Drake would lose more alumni support than Courtney could sue for.
What could she even sue for?
Seriously Ohio State doesnt owe her a penny.
Yeah, wasn’t there a similar case that just got dismissed from the lady in Colorado that tried to sue the school. I mean her husband was a coach and was convicted of domestic violence and the court held she had no claim against the school, don’t see how just a suit based just on allegations would fair better.
Exactly. Even if- and I’m not saying this happened- Urban, Gene, or anyone else at OSU knew that there was a credible claim of DV in 2015 and didn’t fire Zach then, that wouldn’t have stopped any abuse from happening! If her argument is that no one at OSU took the responsibility to report this evidence to law enforcement so that she could have been protected, well, you know who else would be guilty of that? Her mother, Zach’s parents, her neighbors, her friends, and, oh yeah, Courtney herself! The only way a lawsuit against the Meyers or OSU has any kind of merit is if there is credible evidence of a conspiracy between Urban/OSU and the Powell PD/Delaware County Prosecutor’s Office to bury all charges against Zach, which I refuse to believe is the case. No one, not even Urban Meyer, has that kind of pull over that many people, and I don’t see him going to those lengths for Zach Smith.
before everybody goes jumping on the bandwagon of "what can she sue for"...
First of all, anybody can file a lawsuit over basically anything. The following analysis does not mean I support her doing so. I think she is calculating and malicious.
She can sue to say Ohio State's process for these things is insufficient. She can sue for standing under Title IX. Remember, the Colorado case that is being cited is in a different jurisdiction/circuit - there's nothing requiring the District Court or the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals to adopt the reasoning the Tenth Circuit adopted in the Colorado case. (Fun side note for law nerds: that means CIRCUIT SPLIT and Smith v. OSU could go to the Supreme Court! Joy!). She may be anticipating what is going to be the report and sue OSU for defamation of character.
All that said, she can file that suit and press for settlement. OSU may just decide the legal expense is not worth what it can pay to make her go away.
First, OSU's attorneys are not ignorant. They know this would be dismissed in court. The only issue is the publicity, which I think would give them a chance to show that the allegations against Coach were resentment based and meritless.
First, OSU's attorneys are not ignorant. They know this would be dismissed in court. The only issue is the publicity, which I think would give them a chance to show that the allegations against Coach were resentment based and meritless.
Those attorneys do not *know* it will be dismissed. They think a dismissal is likely, perhaps.
Also, any kind of dismissal still requires expenditure of legal fees. She has already cost the University $500,000. She'll probably settle for 1/5th of that.
As for "knowing", I guess you're right because you don't know if your new Mercedes is going to start when you turn the key(if they need a key), but the likelihood is about the same. Still, any litigation by her against them would give them the opportunity for total vindication in public view. Sometimes you spend the short money to show righteousness. For them it would be better then a commercial.
Assuming a favorable report for Urban and the OSU compliance office etc.
I could see a donor or two offering to pay OSU's legal fees to make sure CS doesn't profit a darn cent from suing the University.
I get the idea of settlement for the nuisance value. But it could also set a bad precedent.
She'd settle for 100k? NO WAY....she's not going through all of this for 100k...she wants the pot of gold for sure.
I said we should pay her to go away last week. No we dont owe her anything. But it is best for her children and everyone else involved to pay her to stfu.
Yeah right. Pay her for what? The university doesn’t owe her one red cent. That to me admits fault. Pay her some money and when the money runs out she can hook back up with McMouthy again for another go round. Don’t think so.
Fine v Tumpkin, et al. was not a Title IX case. Ms. Fine's attorneys instead alleged an unspecified or undefined statutory duty. Some have speculated that they purposely avoided alleging a Title IX cause of action because Ms. Fine so obviously lack standing to sue on those grounds.
Plaintiff fails to plead a statutory duty of care or any facts to support a statutory duty of care. Plaintiff merely alleges that Moving Defendants failed to report issues “as required by law” and “breached [their] duty of care by failing to follow . . . legal obligations to report the information.” (ECF No. 1 ¶¶ 137, 149, 159, 165.) Nowhere does Plaintiff define this “legal obligation” or explain the origin of such an obligation. Defendants correctly argue that Plaintiff has not alleged the existence of a statutory duty. (ECF No. 16 at 7; ECF No. 17 at 5 n.2.) In response, Plaintiff fails to reference any statutory obligation that would establish a duty of care owed by Moving Defendants to Plaintiff. (ECF No. 35 at 4–8; ECF No. 36 at 4–8.) In the absence of any argument on this point, the Court finds that Moving Defendants had no statutory duty to report Plaintiff’s allegations and Plaintiff cannot base her negligence claim on an undefined statutory duty. Fine, at p. 9.
Fine was decided on the 12(B)(6) motion of defendants and involved the trial court's application of Colorado State law to the facts (Fine, at p. 7), so the potential for a circuit court split is premature. Finally, the investigators working under contract on behalf of the university most likely enjoy qualified immunity, while the university itself has sovereign immunity available to force any suit into the Ohio Court of Claims (good luck there Courtney).
Bobbing for french fries.
She doesn't fall into the guidelines of Title IX. It clearly states that she would have to be denied privileges as a student in a university control environment.
It makes me sick that people get away with this kind of money grab.
Deserves got nothin' to do with it
I was wondering what "litigation" she was speaking of. And investigation is not a litigation.
I still don't know what she would sue the University for.. was firing Zach supposed to protect her somehow? If anyone I'd think she would sue the Powell PD, since they have about 100% more to do with what happens in between the Smiths than anyone at OSU.
Unless something outrageous changes, I don’t think she has any reason to sue anyone.
Agreed, but that won't stop her. Lawyers will tell her to sue just to get a settlement. And OSU will probably settle rather than endure the crap that goes with that. Unless of course, they want to make an example of her.
My father worked in law enforcement and then corporate security / safety / loss prevention for decades. He once insisted his company NOT settle what was clearly a lawsuit by a woman seeking a quick settlement for a fake injury claim. The judge demanded my dad settle three different times, and three times my dad said, "no, we're going to trial". The woman lost her case, and word quickly got around through the lawyers that my dad was "willing to spend $10,000 to save $1,000". The fake and nuisance lawsuits stopped almost immediately and the company saved over a million bucks the first year alone.
Sometimes all you have to do is make a stand against the lies and BS...
Praying OSU does that here.
"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland
Head coaches have to now play a Dr. Phil type role I guess...and become private investigators...
Yep. And when records are sealed and she admitted telling ufm “...everything’s fine” in early 2015, investigation requires a psychic. Not possible based on what we all know.
They need to hire Fletch.
Please make it stop.
So is Urban's side of this gonna be done by tomorrow?
They said within 14 days two Sundays ago. So could be tomorrow, or they could say the need additional time. Basically just keep F5ing.
Yeah. I was thinking they wouldn't work the weekend and so they'd be done by Friday.
well they released the statement on the weekend.
typically, this kind of news is put out in the "Friday Afternoon News Dump". You do it after most of the media have gone home for the weekend, the weekend kills the buzz, and we start fresh on Mondays.
I anticipate that being the case here.
These types of people aren't afraid to work weekends...
"These types of people"? Brother, if someone was paying me $1.6-1.7K (or whatever) per hour, I'd work the entire weekend without even sleeping.
Based on the info we have it should be tomorrow or Monday. Depends on if they do what others have said and put it in the Friday evening news dump or not.
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Backpedal all you want.
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
She probably figured that all she had to do was make an allegation and it was a wrap.
Not that far of a leap to assume that these days with the nonsense going on
Don't think she ever though of all the moving parts
If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff
Yikes. I have no idea who's telling the truth, but this is some very public family drama being played out here.
Well from what we know; Lynn, Tina, Zach, & the Powell PD all seem to tell a similar story while Courtney’s is backed by no one but herself.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
And it seems her BFF Michele has tossed her aside too.
"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
Well, herself and McMurphy, you mean.
Toodleoo, go with god, and don't take any wooden nickels.
This is really the hill you want to die on huh?
Let's talk about this for a second. Why do you have 'no idea' who is telling the truth? Weigh the evidence before you and come to a decision.
On the one hand, you have Courtney's statements.
On the other hand you have:
Honestly, how are you confused at this point?
THIS is a great summary JD.
Do you think the Delaware prosecutor tosses the criminal trespass charge before next week's trial? Especially after we've heard the 9-1-1 call & assume Zach's cell/text records back his attempts to contact her?
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
Absolutely. I think (based on what I know) that thing is toast. I am nearly-certain the Divorce Decree and the Shared Parenting Plan dictating that pick-up and drop-off can occur at Courtney's residence, meaning Zach had a signed court order permitting him on the premises for purposes of dropping off the child.
A signed judge's order trumps some detective's warning.
You probably won't get much information from it. Koffel will show up, the Prosecutor will say, "yeah, I got it", and the Prosecutor moves to dismiss after the judge says, "Good Morning".
Thank you. That won't prevent an army of reporters and satellite trucks from showing up and breathlessly reporting the outcome. I doubt if ESPN will interrupt scheduled programming to report "The criminal charge that got Zach Smith fired has been dismissed."
Where's the part where Urban punched a pregnant woman in the stomach and personally insulted the mothers of every sports writer/reporter in the country?
"He hit her because of self-defense" is not exactly "denying everything".
“He hit her because of self-defense” and then back tracking to say he never actually hit her, is denying everything. It’s funny how that bit of the quote keeps getting repeated but not the rest of it.
And might I add that CS was willing to put off the hearing on the restraining order, indicating she doesnt feel she's in imminent danger.
In addition I still wonder why she even cares about this with Urban and OSU when she went to great lengths to cover it up. What does this have to do with her in the first place. If what's she is supposed to be a safe environment why this? Vindictive!!
Because all those on one side have completely consistent stories that explain everything?
The pictures were explained by "forcefully moving her out of the way for defense" (seems like a bit more than self defense), there has been no response to Zach agreeing in a text message that he choked her, her mother's story is wildly inconsistent (he moved her with his hand around her neck, he hit her, he didn't hit her), and Shelley sure was worried about her well-being in a house with Zach.
I'm not saying that these things discount the story on the other side at all, but there's a lot of Ohio State fans on here that are quick to use confirmation bias to pin all this on the person that would make Ohio State look the best if it really was all her fault.
Staaaaahhhhpppppppppppp. for like 3 days, please. just. stahp.
"just a guy, nothing more, nothing less" ~ Some troll then *poof* he was gone
I just keep hearing Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! with every new headline and article. I am tapped out, wake me up on the 1st.
This really is sad. The collateral damage to the kids is awful.
Divorce sucks enough for the kids....let alone having both of your parents play this out in the press.
Both of them are awful people.
Can’t image a best case scenario...when the outcome is my dad is just an unemployed , cheating, lying drunk. Who ‘recreationally’ uses male enhancement supplements. Good grief....
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
Don’t forget who started it with an interview with the press.
After they were just used in this statement, unfortunately the kids are no longer collateral damage. Courtney, or her attorney, just made them pawns in this twisted game. If it's proven that she's lying about all of this, the mention of them in this statement would be enough for me to remove them from her custody. Makes me sick!!
Of course her attorney is saying that. Courtney can't exactly straight up say what her mother is accusing her of is true from a legal standpoint, she'd likely be facing multiple lawsuits for libel and defamation if she did.
Can someone explain to me what this has to do with Ohio State and Urban?
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
Here is the very long answer to that:
Courtney's credibility is the whole enchilada. It really is.
IF no DV ever occurred, or it is proved she invented these stories, or it is proved she had nefarious intentions towards the program and did something criminal to further that end (e.g. blackmail), OSU is off the hook. Entirely. And there's no national media perception of a cover-up, and there's no lingering doubts, and there's no questions from the press...
Serious question(s)...what's your take on why these attorneys are representing her when it appears that her story is false or falling apart? They would certainly not be working solely for a cut of any future lawsuit would they? Then the question would be how is she able to afford paying them up front?
truth be told, I do not know how she is paying for it. Could be funded out of borrowing from whatever savings she has.
Leveridge cannot be party to a contingency arrangement in a family law situation. It's against ethical rules. She must be paid upfront.
Sirkin's appearance is really murky to me, and he could be doing it pro se for some reason, but someone like him usually does stuff like that for publicity, and as far as I can tell, I am the only one who cares about his appearance in the case.
So I honestly have no idea who's paying for what.
If we believe Snook, isn’t the story that the Hermans gave her thousands of dollars for the lawyers?
Yes the story is that they gave her $10k to specifically cover legal fees
As far as I am concerned when you give money to someone (no matter how little or how rich you are) to cover legal fees, you are in it. You are now attached to that court case.
Mother and Grandmother. Pretty hard to believe she would have a score to settle with that lineage of family being affect by what she says. I don't know the truth. But what I do know is that Courtney looks crazier and crazier by the second.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
Well if Courtney says so......................
then it must be true!
16-2 is SWEET!
That family is bat shit crazy
I actually believe doing this created some credibility on Snook's report with the Mothers. Just my take.
I dont believe for a second Snook made anything up. You cant make up anything this batshit crazy.
Snook actually did some due diligence and got his facts together... Something that McPornstache didn't bother to do (and he admitted that much)
If this statement were made national news, it would hardly endear Courtney with the public. America’s sweetheart just does not call out her mother as being a vindictive liar and promise to deal with it later in litigation.
Courtney Smith agreed to a video interview with a journalist before anyone - Zach, her mother, Zach’s mother - said anything publicly. If anyone turned this into a media circus playing out in the wrong forum, it’s Courtney.
And it doesn’t help her credibility that she had her ex-husband charged with criminal trespass simply for dropping their children off after she failed to arrive at the agreed-upon exchange.
I’m sorry. At first, I was inclined to believe Courtney Smith but this is all so ridiculous that I just can’t anymore. Who knows who is telling the truth? They’re probably all lying to some extent or another and Ohio State - specifically, Urban Meyer - is supposed to sort through it all? That’s crazy.
At first I was scared for Coach.
Then I was appalled at Zach's actions (as fed to the public)
Then I felt sorry for CS (now only if ZS laid hands on her, not even crazy people deserve to be abused)
Then I was p***** at OSU
Then I was blown away by everything (McDouche etc.)
Now I am over it...Coach is coming back...F*** public opinion, he is a good man
Completely ready for the season!!
you and i have been on the same rollercoaster
I missed this so thanks for the link.
Time for margaritas...going to sit on the beach until Monday when I see coach is back!!
Not that I want other pics, but I am so sick of that pic of Courtney with her mouth open.
Go for 3.
I think we are all about burnt out with these he said she said articles and statements from lawyers. Hopefully after the decision on Urban there will be no more of these articles.
"In times of difficulty, those brave enough to stay the course will still be inferior to Ohio State in the end" -Bo Schembechler
276 comments less than 3 hours after it was posted suggests people are not burnt out. Frustrated, maybe, but this story still has legs for days (unfortunately).
It’s not he said/she said. It’s she said/everyone else said
Please get checked into a mental hospital thank you
"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller
I really don't think this is going to end well.
And I don't mean from an Ohio State or Urban Meyer perspective.
It may just be me but is it possible Zach Smith was not the one Urban Meyer was "protecting" in all of this, but it was Courtney?
Because if this does not go the way she wants it to....I don't think it will be pretty.
I have no reason to believe her mother was lying about her daughter needing help.
But if Courtney's lust for getting back at Zach for infidelity has reached a point where the end game is all or nothing....What is the quote?
When you are wanting to deal in revenge. You had better dig two graves.
I totally agree. EB. When the original post about both mothers taking ZS's side came out, feared that CS would do something drastic and irreversible.
She did that a long time ago
That attorney needs to understand that taking the high road is not making a statement about taking the high road.
Instead of my client wishes to take the high road after this burn.....
Surprised she didn't also include "Courtney called her mother to inform her she was giving her the silent treatment".
What a Clown Show.
"And then proceeded to keep the line active in a huff while refusing to say a word until her mother in extreme agitation simply chose to hang up the phone." Brett McMurphy, 8/16/2018
They seem to be taking "The first rule of High Road Club. Is there is no High Road Club."approach.
Especially when you say you call your mother vindictive in the same breath you are claiming to take the high road.
i hope Tina Carano gets to see those grandkids while they are visiting with Zach because I doubt Courtney is ever going to let her near them again.
i hope Tina Carano gets to see those grandkids while they are visiting with Zach because I doubt Courtney is ever going to let her near them again.
I'm guessing when she runs out of Herman money she'll want to "reconcile" with mommy.
On the playground we used to call that “no tap-backs”.
Can we please find another picture of CS that can be used?
You beat me to it Avail.
TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.
Is that baby at a bar?
Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".
yes. or at least a restaurant with a bar. does that really matter? nah.
There is also an ash tray on that bar.
Almost certain that's the bar on the back patio at Varsity Club.
"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes
+1 for The Fisher King reference! Nice
Jumanji, I thinks......
Just to recap, Yes! Thats a baby, in a bar, where apparently there is smoking because yes that is an ashtray, no that Jumanji not Fisher King, and finally the Boom!!! Sweet home Alabama's Reese Witherspoon with the summation and the win! "You have a baby!?! In a bar!?!" Priceless! LMAO
Kinda reminds me of Dateline where they only get like 2 pictures each of the victim and suspect then just repeatedly rotate them over and over.
But Courtney is fine with the falsehoods she is making about everyone....since she is the vindictive person..
"Just remember one thing. I can do your job, but you can't do mine." - Woody Hayes to an OSU professor
I am shocked.
Question is will Espn have the headline: Courtney Calls her Mom a liar" on the front page?
It's probably running on the newstape on the screen bottom now...
Section C1, Row 1, seats 1&2; Thanks Mom & Dad, September '61
ESPN is too busy covering Aretha Franklin's death today to get to that right now lol.
Are they really? I mean it sucks about her passing, but I had no idea she was a prominent sports figure.
I was watching ESPN at lunch today and they did indeed have a tribute for her set up. It's a kind gesture but as LaVar Ball would say they're not exactly "staying in their lane" by covering her since she was a singer and not an athlete.
Every single show on ESPN that I have listened to today has spent time talking about it.
after all, it is the Entertainment and Sports Programming Network, right?
Since they to this point have not acknowledged that Courtney has a mom, or what her stance on her allegations are, I don't think they are going to run this statement now. As that would lead to too many uninformed sheeple realizing that there actually is another side of this story out there that they are choosing not to acknowledge.
-1 for using the term “sheeple” here
She wants to take the high road? LOL Quite interesting that the only person that believes there was any abuse was Courtney herself.
isn't that all it takes though?
As my old math teacher would say, "necessary, but not sufficient". What if she believes she's being abused, because, say, he would not stay home alone with their children every single night because she wants to go out with her lady friends? Yes, she would need to believe it is abuse, but it would have to survive legal scrutiny.
People really believe that you become a victim simply by THINKING you’re a victim?
Wild times we live in.
Well if she is right then her mom, zachs mom, Urban and Shelley, apparently every coaches wife from 2015, the entire Powell PD, Gene Smith, and other relatives are all wrong and conspiring against her.
"In the meantime, Ms. Smith is committed to taking the high road and is anxious to share the truth after the litigation has concluded"
I thought she already told the truth?
So what you're saying is, everything up to this point has been lies?
I don't know what/who in the family drama to believe anymore. I'm just ready for it to be over.
Born, raised, educated, and will die a Buckeye ~ BuckeyeNation
Wants to take the high road??? She missed that turn a couple weeks ago.
“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”
Why did she only refute her mom's claims, Lynn Smith and Michelle Herman have both contradicted her stories as well.
Michelle Herman isn’t directly contradicting her. CS said she started telling wives after the Herman’s left. Michelle Herman is just creating some distance.
She is only attacking her mother because it’s her mother’s statements that harm her own credibility. Because why would her own mother stand by the real abuser? What mother would do that?
actually she is. Courtney's photos (per Stadium) are from September and November of 2014 (the Cut Photo and the two bathroom photos). Courtney says the wives all knew about Zach's violent outbursts and the volatility of the home relationship, and that Zach exhibited other controlling behavior (such as isolating her, taking her phone, etc.). When M. Herman says she never saw any abuse, that either must be a lie to distance herself from Courtney...or the truth, which distances her from Courtney.
Didn't read the article, didn't read the comments....just here to say I'm ready for the circus to end and play some football.
It's the Buckeyes against the world men, it's the Buckeyes against the world....and guess what Coach Day? That's the way we like it....that's the way we like it.
No such thing as a bad win
"They not only hurt her daughter but her grandchildren as well" Soooo the kids are reading media reports now?
"I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy!"
That was a dig at Courtney's mom. Courtney's mom has stated many times that she cares about seeing the grandchildren so I think they tossed that in to poke. Dirty as it gets.
it's openly telegraphing that she plans to use grandchild visitation as a weapon.
she is a real piece of work.
if I were Lynne and Tina, I would seek the counsel of a family law attorney, join in the re-opened Divorce, and seek court-ordered grandparent visitation.
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Haven't you heard? Women are from Venus.
I wasn’t going to share previously, but maybe personal experiences can help shed some lights on things.
My wife was previously a victim of domestic violence in her previous marriage. Not only did she at first try to hide it and not get the police involved, but she also got a lot of pressure from her own family to not get divorced, that she had to think of the kids first, and that her ex kept apologizing and things would get better. First and foremost, it was important to stay together for the kids. It was only when she couldn’t get away from him fast enough one day that he hurt her enough to put her in a hospital bed and she miscarried an unborn baby did her own family finally get behind her leaving and getting divorced. For some reason it needed to get to an extreme for them to change their tune. Also, they only ended up divorced, despite tons of real evidence of the abuse, because she chose not to press charges. This all happened about 22 years ago. Hopefully this sharing helps give some an understanding that hopefully nobody else has had to go through. It is easy to think family’s automatically get behind their loved ones, but it isn’t always the case.
I don’t know what the abuse may have looked like in Courtney and Zach’s marriage, but I don’t doubt it happened. Nobody denies 2009, and abusers often don’t change. Domestic violence cases are not always easy for police to charge because the victims don’t always cooperate. I’m sure it is also quite common for victims to also escalate their own physicality in an attempt to get some level of control.
Sorry to get long winded and maybe over share, but DV is a very personal topic for me. I just keep Courtney and Zach’s kids in my thoughts and prayers and hope all this works out the best way possible for their family. Hopefully this sharing also helps to shed some light on the challenges of domestic violence as well.
Domestic violence is absolutely real and it’s something I fight professionally. I’ve dealt with many many cases and have had a lot of training on it. I know that victims stay in relationships a long time before leaving. Having said that, it would give me pause in any case if the accuser’s own mom denied it, and said the accused was actually the aggressor. Not every accused person is guilty and they deserve the same due process as everyone else.
Correction: said the accuser was actually the aggressor.
See, Mr. McMurphy, that’s how you correct a mistake.
I agree, not every case the aggressor is guilty, but in this case, it is best for everyone to reserve their judgement. I also recommend not over emphasizing Tina’s credibility over Courtney’s. Both my wife, who is a domestic violence survivor, and my daughter, who is a trained social worker, (inspired by what happened to her mother)both haven’t taken Courtney’s mom’s statements to mean that Courtney is not a victim of Domestic Violence. Is it a flag? Yes, it is, but It still likely that she is a real victim of domestic violence and also at one point was angry enough at her abuser to make statements that she wants to get back at them without it actually being some conspiracy against Zach. Also, Courtney’s Mom did not live in their house. She would not have been around for all the abuse if it was happening. Abusers tylically don’t make a big public display out of it. Her mom lives in Florida, so would she have intimate knowledge into all of Zach and Courtney’s dealings?
I’m not going to pretend to know the answers to all of those questions, nor do I expect anyone here too. They are just thoughts. At the end of the day? It is all immaterial as to whether Urban did anything wrong or should be fired (he most likely didn’t and he shouldn’t be fired). The answer to those questions are only pertinent to the Smith family. I was just trying to offer another experience, one that has experience and input from people that have experience with domestic violence. People are free to discount it if they choose.
What happened to your wife should never happen to anyone. But what happened to your wife has no bearing whatsoever on this story. It doesn’t change any facts. It doesn’t make you smarter than anyone else here.
It does make me wonder if you have an agenda.
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Domestic violence is a crime and has a statutory definition and detailed Jury Instructions. Domestic abuse is a much broader term and includes one spouse acting like an ahole. They are often ignorantly interchanged. I would guess that both ZS and CS are abusers but not subject to the protection of the criminal courts. The media purposely interchanges them. Someone who commits domestic VIOLENCE is an abuser but an abuser may or may not be guilty of DV or have even committed acts that give rise to probable cause to arrest...despite what McMurphy and Brennan twist. The problem is public opinion and how the wrongful , dishonest and manipulative media has developed this tsunami of deceit that Drake is unlikely to withstand. NOTHING the Smiths, or Urban or anyone at OSU has done(or not done) compares with this evil.
As a law enforcement officer, you regularly see DV. Most calls you see the same people and it normally doesn't get to charges because sometimes it is his word against hers, and sometimes because they both are guilty. Some women, like some men, do attack their husband, and a lot of those get reported as a DV incidents, but know charges. After some years and looking back, the guy looks bad a lot, know matter who is at fault.
Except in the state of Ohio, if there is evidence of physical violence, an arrest is required.
Are you using speech to text?
Nobody denies 2009
what does this even mean, because no abuse was ever proved.
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sigh... Make it stop!!!
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I would expect to hear something tomorrow afternoon/early evening. Gives everyone a chance to split for the weekend, let things settle. I think will see alot of backlash regardless of the outcome.
Noon games suck
Liar, liar, pants on fire!
Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!
Make it stop please...
What does Tina Cararo have to gain by lying? What does Courtney Smith have to gain by lying?
I honestly don’t see what anyone has to gain from any of this. It seems like everyone loses no matter what happens.
Imagine if you were friends with her and you had heard her become obsessed with taking him down. Listening to her in the media would be hard to swallow. I hope they will testify when this goes to court.
I vote no offseason next year!
I second the motion.
"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott
The players might like a word with you about that. Ask them to constantly hit and break their bodies 365 days a year and see how well that goes over with them.
Winner of the “you must be fun at parties” award for the day
The thing about crazy people is they don't know they're crazy.
no sh*t. ask my former wife! LOL!
So her attorney is her new/current boyfriend, right?
Her personal attorney is a woman.
Who is the attorney that has been referred to as her boyfriend? Her divorce attorney?
Her divorce attorney is her personal attorney (Julia Leveridge). I think her boyfriend is just some other attorney.
Got it. He’s not repressnted her. He’s just ... well, nevermind.
I have to think he is high tailing it. Or at least planning his escape.
Now this is really getting crazy! haha
We have turned into the TMZ of the B1G.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
A classic case of "Everybody Said/She Said"
No , now it’s They said/She said.
Let's be honest. The important thing is "Police Said/She Said"
Someone said someone else wasn't telling the truth. Shocker. Wake me up, when September ends!
Ahem -- begins!
Agreed. Just a little Green Day shout-out. Close enough?
Making the Great State of Ohio proud. Ohio against the World!
When this first broke, I expected Meyer to be fired. But as it has dragged on (the time they have taken suggests that they didn’t find Meyer violated anything in how he handled it - finding that he’d have been fired pretty much immediately), I grew more confident that Meyer would stay on and be suspended for several games. I don’t think Meyer did anything wrong, but I do think his loyalty to Zach Smith and his family adversely affected his judgment on this.
But that one word from her lawyer - litigation - has me wondering. What if, when Meyer is reinstated, she files some sort of civil suit against Meyer and the university for damages. Would they put him back on admin leave?
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Short answer is no
I'm not a lawyer but (everyone's favorite caveat) *unless something game changing comes to light* they have zero case in litigation against the university. The have very little case against Zach Smith even. They currently don't even have enough of a case to even go to court with Zach other than this trespassing thing, which it sounds like is going to go Zach's way.
So if they can't even get the legal system to acknowledge that DV occurred, how could the sue the university for not helping her with said DV issues?
Precedent was already set in the Colorado case, where there actually WAS DV, not just (getting weaker by the day) allegations, and it was tossed.
I mean I'm sure they may try a suit, but I can't see it going anywhere for them.
I’m extremely confused why people keep bringing this possibility up. I still haven’t seen anyone say exactly what they expect her to sue OSU/Meyer for. For not firing Zach Smith? Would that have stopped the abuse? Or does she expect them to protect her somehow?
Ms. Smith is committed to taking the high road and is anxious to share the truth after the litigation has concluded."
"Defiance in Silence"
I will UV any Jennifer Lawrence sighting. Thank you.
Have you seen the JL nudes? Very impressive to say the least
If you haven't invested the time to catch her in Red Sparrow, highly recommended.
GR8 bit of film making and she's very easy on the eyes to boot!
Mmmm body moles
If my eyes ever come across her face again it will be too soon.
As long as Courtney continues to win the national media battle, she has leverage in getting a settlement to make this go away.
1. Ohio State reinstates Urban.
2. Courtney files lawsuit with threats to bring out more dirt at trial after discovery, if suit is not tossed out on its face, an immediate dismissal for lack of standing. If not...
3. Ohio State offers her a million or more to shut up rather than ensure more discovery and media attention.
4. McMurphy claims he is vindicated by continued OSU cover up.
First of all, thank you for this EXCELLENT summary. I am glad to see another person gets it.
Secondly, right, so the only solution is to cause her to lose the national media battle. Which requires a killshot (figuratively) of some kind. I expect a killshot in the report.
I'm sure it has very little realism of the profession, but this is now shaping up like an episode of Suits. I just hope OSU has Harvey Spectre on their legal team.
Any payoff looks bad, the pitchforkers are going to point and say "see it's a coverup".
Football > Soap Operas
The pitchfork idiocy mob will hysterically scream about anything at anytime. I don't pay them any attention at all
"Courtney files lawsuit with threats to bring out more dirt at trial after discovery"
My guess is this entire investigation by the university hes been geared towards making sure this doesn't/can't happen. I'm sure they're trying to cover as much ground as they possibly can to ensure there are no surprises after they render their decision.
She wants to take the high road? Sorry crazy lady. You can't put the sharknado shitstorm you started back in the bottle.
Oh for the love of all things holy!!
No Matter what happened or not... She is not taking or getting good advice... If someone does hire ZS as an coach, Does she move so he can still see his kids? She doesn't have a very good support system here it sounds? This is just a hot mess and it should have stayed private for the best interest of the kids.
She should honestly be worried that she could lose the kids at this point. If in the legal system (Not to be confused with the left leaning media and SJW mobs opinions) deems she orchestrated in some way to set up Zack, attempted to get him fired and smear his name, that she did all of this to be vindictive about him cheating years ago...there is a good chance if Zack took her back to court and went for primary custody on the grounds she isn't stable or a good influence on the kids, she could lose that case! She really needs to think about the way this is going to play out long term if she is guilty of making shit up.
This is the gift that keeps on giving (from a Michigan fan's point of view.) When will it ever stop? It seems like every day there is something new:
I tell ya, this is more entertaining than the Kardashians or Maury Povich or Jerry Springer. What's next? Are we going to hear from the women Zach was cheating with, vouching for his character? (EDIT: which is nobody's business, and irrelevant, but it seems like an awful lot of this is nobody's business, and irrelevant.) And all the while, Michigan coaches are just shutting up and focusing on practice. Which is a good thing, since Michigan needs all the help it can get. I'd assume that neither the OSU team nor the coaching staff is distracted by this, but you never know. I'm just shaking my head, and glad I'm not you right now.
Zach was cheating on her with Harbaugh. And Harbaugh took the bottom.
Cannot. UV. This. Enough.
Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.
Priceless! Even though you did make me spit my drink all over the damned place.... :-)
Zach got an OVII so that he would be qualified to be a head coach at ichighan!
I’m not even going to DV this, even tho you are here to gloat, because I think we are just suffering some temporary angst, while you are about to suffer an underwhelming season again.
Not even gloating. Just kind of in shock . . . when you think it can't get any worse, and be any more of a soap opera, something else happens. And yeah, I'm ready for the season.
You're not wrong. It is a shitshow.
Yes, I'm sure all this is more enjoyable than a typical November for you.
Since you are gloating over alleged spousal abuse here's all I have to say in response. Have fun when Shea Patterson underperforms this season and Harbaugh's mythical "QB guru" title comes into question yet again. Everything I've seen from the players themselves tells me that Day, Schiano, and Co. have them about as far removed from this situation as they can be. The only one who is really plagued by it atm is Meyer himself and he has put together one of the best coaching staffs in CFB. They'll keep the players focused while Meyer is away from the team. I fully expect Oregon State and Rutgers to both get tied to the whipping post at the Shoe in weeks 1 and 2 no matter what.
I am upvoting you because your comment was obviously not gloating about spousal abuse.
If the shoe were on the other foot, I would find it entertaining as well. Hell, I obviously find it entertaining (mixed with apprehension) as it is.
It really is weird that Harbaugh doesn't like chicken.
Seeing in how he lays eggs against his rivals.
I hope this is just a glorious troll job
A family is destroyed, but it's the gift that keeps on giving for TTUN fans... yep seems about right
I think maybe Michigan's coaches are following this closely as well, seeing as how they're doing so poorly on the recruiting trail. They just must not have the time to dedicate to such things these days.
That's funny because from a Buckeye perspective, your troll of a coach is the gift that keeps on giving. Here's to 0-4!
I kind of love Harbaugh because he's so weird.
I wouldn't exactly say your guys are just focusing on practices at this point. Seems I heard something about y'all being investigated for selling shoes and stuff? Pretty funny especially when you think about how your fanbase acted when our guys traded stuff for tattoos! Hell our guys didn't even get payed actual money, just got some tats! Your boy's may have been straight going for the Benji's!
What's that saying about stones and glass houses again?
I feel like this whole thing is like my wife making watch Lifetime for two weeks straight and I can't leave the room and the channel can't change.
....and it's all love stories wrapped up in Christmas movies. Yeah. Like that.
Not meaning to disrespect anyone involved, but I really wish they would all just go away. I’m tired of hearing the he said/she said and the she said/she said between all of them.
Courtney is saddened that some of the truth is coming out from her own family.
As a 'survivor" of divorce....i know how nasty it can get. The ex walked into my office one day to proclaim her husband was fing his secretary...which was almost true....then when said husband came to house to get his belongings, she decided it would be a smart idea to slam her own head into a door jamb repeatedly....which i caught on video to exhonorate me...ugh. This entire thing wreaks of crazy ex. WREAKS of it.
Gotta love it.
her husband was fing his secretary...which was almost true
Well, now I'm curious.
Lol. Didnt happen until after the head banging incident.
FINALLY we have hard evidence that indeed Tina Carano is taking Zach Smith's side. I appreciate all the work that Snook has done, but it's been very difficult to use his information in the court of public opinion because it was simply more hearsay. Now I hope that Carano will go on radio or TV herself so the national media is almost obligated to cover it. The narrative is slowly but steadily shifting. Has been ever since this whole thing blew up. Can almost see the light at the end of the tunnel now.
"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"
The hard evidence was Tina Carano telling Jeff Snook she was on Zach's side.
She said it. It was not hearsay. It was fact.
I'm just saying that Snook hadn't released his interviews. When presenting his story to the idiots on Twitter they would just say "he's just making it up. There's no proof Tina Carano said anything". I'm not saying I didn't believe snook. Just saying it's nice to have corroboration from Courtney that yes her mother isn't on her side.
He did release his interview in print!
The corroboration is that Tina Carano never refuted her words, and note she is not averse to doing so, as she did just that with McMurphy.
Wait, so Jeff Snook releases a story on Facebook about all of these claims, provides zero evidence in terms of text messages, pictures, recordings, and he is somehow more credible than Brett McMurphy? How are many on here so quick to jumping to this side of the story when it was written pretty similarly than McMurphy's only without as much evidence? If Snook had something bigger, why hasn't he released it yet. How can we believe anything he claims Michelle Herman said, when he did not provide text message proof. He literally just stated, she said this to me. Yesterday when he was interview he said he had over 20 text messages from her that day. Yet his big reveal today is just quoting her? I'm having a hard time buying into it. Especially when many on this site are calling for McMurphy's head when he provided MUCH more evidence then Snook ever has...
You are mistaking the volume of evidence for the quality of evidence.
yes, McMurphy provided something. for example, the pictures: do they prove who inflicted those injuries? Do they prove any sort of context for the conflict which yielded those injuries? Do they give us any concrete details *at all*? No, in actuality, they do not.
The text messages: what do they prove without the context of the texts around it?
Jeff Snook has spoken with more people in the last week than McMurphy has, regarding this matter, in the last three. McMurphy's source is Courtney *alone*, and continues to be so. Moreover, the quality of Snook's evidence is more apparent: Lynne and Tina went into significant detail regarding incidents they personally witnessed and conversations they personally heard. Moreover, Lynne, Tina, and Zach have all shown a willingness to go on the record, to the point Zach went on national television. Courtney...has not responded to any request for comment from any media outlet. McMurphy's article has plenty of *stuff* in it, but is it evidence? Not really. There's no meat to it; there are actually very few details.
Yea that except both mothers have went on record corraborating they spoke with Snook and said everything in public they did with him. Why would he need to release a text after they publicly said the same thing?
Well, there is always the possibility that Snook is lying, but since he put words in quotes and not paraphrasing, if he is lying, he's opened himself up to lawsuits that would be easy to win. I don't see someone with Snooks reputation putting someones words in quotes if he doesn't have the goods to back it up.
"My mother is a vindictive liar, but I don't want to get into that now because I am taking the high road"
Interesting she chose to take the "high road" when her mother and Powell PD to "Truth Trail" She literally has no one backing her story and Zach Smith (who i believe is a douche in his own right) literally has everyone backing his story, either directly (carano) or indirectly (powell pd not finding any evidence). Brent McMurphy was her "platform" thats all at most. she has no evidence of anything, the pics na. And when this goes to court in september between her and zach the courts will literally have nothing to go ff of either from her.
Dad’s will throw you out in a heartbeat but when Mom gives up on you...it’s time to re-evaluate yourself. And I don’t want to see Zach Smith ever again. He’s no prize...
Nice ad placement, 11W:
When I opened this thread, an ad was at the bottom for Ashley Madison. You know, the website that set up people wanting to have affairs with a "date".
It's seemed, LOL, appropriate. Since CS seemed to begin her vendetta when she found out Zach had an affair.
Ads are based on search history ...
Well, I can prove that theory wrong, LOL.
Well, I can prove that theory wrong, LOL.
"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."
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This is mostly, but not always true. On my laptop I get ads for Kiley Kardashian's make-up line. I am about as far away from her target demographic as you can get. I have not ever searched for anything remotely related to makeup. While part of this is just because I'm an old man, but also because I'm pretty much beyond any help that any sort of beauty product could provide.
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And tomorrow's episode Courtney's college roommate comes out with with a story and opinion on the topic.
This is just a freaking joke. Doesn't take much common sense to see that Urban had nothing to do with any of this and she's crazy and just throwing logs into the fire to make herself look better
Can they seriously not produce a single person to corroborate Courtney's claims? Is that not insane to anyone else? Think about that. Not a single friend or family member is willing to vouch for her, even anonymously. How is that not setting off giant alarms?
You would think someone would have said something by now.
The poor kids are going to be involved now and will be forced to choose sides. It's possible they have incriminated themselves or have been coached by both parents...what a dumb bitch Courtney is. She's destroyed a family.
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
Statement of the thread.
Also it's very interesting her lawyers chose to focus only on Tina Carano and not to refute Lynn Bruce's comments that Earle never pressured Courtney about pressing charges as well as Lynn's statements that Courtney vowed to take down Urban Meyer/Zach Smith. Seems like something you would want to address if it wasn't true.
I also think that it's contextually important that we make the distinction that Courtney and her mother are estranged solely because of this incident and that they were posting pictures together, smiling and happy as late as May of this year. It's not like they haven't spoken for years. They are estranged because of Courtney's actions in this matter. Her lawyer's are using the estranged angle as a subtle jab at Tina's credibiltiy and motive.
Funny how the Herman's wont eaither even after loaning her 10K ... hmmm
Another reminder that I am thankful to have the parents I have..
She's going to take the "high road?" Her lawyer might want to think about taking the high road too, maybe drop her case?
Not as long as she has some Herman money left over.
Me @ the investigators:
"I call them That School Up North because I hate them."-Woody Hayes
If this is what taking the high road looks like, remind me to never take it.
Fields of Dreams
Turns out she's an AC/DC fan, what she really meant to say is, I'm on the highway to Hell."
not to add to the rumor mill, but I BEGGED BetDSI to let me take the +750 on this bet for days. they kept hiding it on their website and told me it was a line they monitored constantly so that's why I couldn't make the bet. They finally told me they're pulling the line and not offering it. That may be meaningless, but I would like to know what BetDSI knows that we do not.
ENOUGH , are we to the point that threads are needed that plumb the depths of a mother/daughter relationship? Are we going to talk to their GYNO to and hear their point of view. The question isn't even rather or not any abuse happened, it's rather or not some stupid protocol was followed based upon the beliefs of Urban, et. al.
no, it is not simply about protocol.
do you think the Committee and the investigative team are incompentent? I do not. Yet they felt it necessary to talk to the Mothers as witnesses. What could their commentary about protocol possibly be?
Courtney's statement is interestingly timed. She could have instantly come out with this statement, but it came out *after* the Mothers spoke to the Committee.
And remember "Carano also said Michelle Herman 'Once called a high-profile attorney to see if he would represent Courtney. They needed someone that wasn’t OSU-affiliated.''
I wonder what the Mothers told the Committee that could have scared Courtney into laying the groundwork into impugning her mother's credibility? Hmmm.
The cynical among us would say they are talking to the mothers because they want to give the appearance of caring about the actual alleged DV and conducting a full investigation for the media. In reality all they should be investigating is if Meyer followed protocol.
Nothing surprising here. Would anyone expect a lawyer or Courtney to say anything else?
My field of fucks to give is barren, reinstate Urb
That's a keepsake. Where can I get one? That will hang behind the basement bar. Seriously.
erit:Nevermind. Found it. I love the internet.
Need this on a shirt. Now
How much film do you think Urban has watched this week? Bet he's been sharpening his knife.
I hope none. I don't think he's allowed.
You don't think he has a media room at home with access to what ever game footage he wants to put his hands on?
I meant of the current team. Sorry should have clarified.
They coulda just drip that onto a shared drive or cloud and he could get that too, without contact.
I hope Urban has stayed the hell away from TV, social media, and anyone aside from his wife and family.
Just a reminder in case anyone is worried about the team:
We have a head coach running the offense
We have a head coach running the defense
We have a former NFL WR (recently played in the NFL) now taking over the WR room
I think we will be alright
We also have former offensive and defensive coordinators as position coaches. Coach Day as acting head coach could grab a TV and watch Netflix in his office, in between naps of course, and the team would still be better off than any other program in the country.
This issue is so overblown when you consider all that is being alleged right now is Zach Smith parked in his ex's driveway when dropping off his kids. That right there shows you how vindictive this woman is. She wanted to have her kids father arrested for parking in her driveway. Based off of that arrest she was given a restraining order which are incredibly easy for anyone to get. I should know I had two put on my ex in the last year. Everyone that has ever been involved in family court knows how the hole system is screwed up beyond repair.
Who the fuck is Christine Brennan? Just read an article she wrote for USA today. Unreal. No words can describe the slime she just threw at Coach. Unreal.
Principles before personalities.
Saw that, too. Absolute bullshit article. Trying to compare this situation with the thing at Maryland where the player died. This woman is just another twit feeding off the crap that got started in the media. She needs to get a life.
"They not only hurt her daughter but her grandchildren as well. These allegations will be dealt with at the right time and in the appropriate venue. In the meantime, Ms. Smith is committed to taking the high road and is anxious to share the truth after the litigation has concluded."
Are taking the high road and using your children for sympathy in your legal statement through your lawyer mutually exclusive? Asking for a friend?
"At critical moments throughout the season, we learned about the character of this football team. This was a team of true character, of true resilience." -- President Barack Obama
In the meantime, Ms. Smith is committed to taking the high road and is anxious to share the truth after the litigation has concluded."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! This person wouldn't know the high road if it bit her in her gold digging, lying, pilfering, drunken ass. There are too many people either directly or tacitly challenging her integrity and credibility.... she's a real jewel. This SEEMS like Zach Smith is/was a bad husband, i.e., a cheater, and that Courtney is a crazy, out of control, emotional disaster who, after throwing a bunch of fits over her husband's infidelities and raging over the prospect of losing her gravy train, exaggerated much of this story for retribution and money. Did Zach Smith cheat? Yes, he's admitted as much and both moms verified it. Not cool, but also not a crime. Did Zach beat / abuse Courtney? I wasn't sure, but now I would be shocked to find out that he actually hit/punched/beat her. Did he grab her and move her nutty ass out of his way, or grab her and hold her against her will to prevent her from throwing objects at him and/or hitting him? I believe that's exactly what happened. At this point, Courtney Smith could tell me 2+2 =4 and I'd think she was lying about it. Urban Meyer has GOT to be sick about this. He just has to be wondering how in the hell he allowed some batshit crazy 30 year old to put him in the position he's in.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
Courtney Smith is a liar. I believe the police and her parents over her. Either way I don’t see why Urban Meyer is still suspended.
Problem with the he said she said stuff.
Again this is not he said-she said. It’s she said-LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE said.
WHAT!?! I had no idea her mom was lying... I should really stop believing every single thing anybody says or allegedly says about anything all the time.
"... but her grandchildren as well"
Haven't read everything else (thank the gods), but this is the first mention of the kids' welfare I've noticed and it sounds rather like a veiled threat.
I noticed that too...
Ok question 1 .what Do you think if the Committee comes out and finds Zack innocent” and Courtney guilty, would ESPN and McMurphy say anything about it or just move on and not talk about it
ok question 2 when urban gets reinstated and ESPN and McMurphy sees it and knows all this other stuff do they attack urban and Ohio state or just say nothing ?
Seems like people cannot wait to hang Meyer after you read the article in yesterday USA TODAY by Christine Brennan. Of course I found this in the Michigan football Section of the Detroit Free Press. She just couldn't wait several more days for the facts to be revealed.
This to me tells me Ohio State might have found something, and she's playing the game of a best defense is a good offense. I could be totally wrong, I most likely am, but that's just the vibe I get from this release.
Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.
Just read it. Agreed, that at this point we are days away from an investigation concluding at OSU, wait and write about the committee conclusions and what OSU does with them.
Am gonna be so damn glad when this big sorry soap opera is over and done with!
I don't have much else to add that hasn't been said, but Courtney is super hot.
Man I wish I had your standards. I’d be living in paradise of super hotness every time I went to the grocery store.
I didn't down vote you, but I have to strongly disagree. She's average at best. Now Michelle Herman is definitely a step up.
Super hot mess. You forgot a word but I got you bro.
Courtney is super hot.
I dated a girl in college like her. Just as crazy as passionate. But put a few shots of booze into the mix and out comes the batshit crazy, argumentative, aggressive, physical, and sometimes violent person. I can't help but think this is the same personality traits as Courtney.
I don't know her so I can't say for sure, but it sure seems like the same M O. If this is the same then there is no fixing her. Zach needs to just always stay away from her. And she from him.
m GO BLOW!!!
And why really is her mother "estranged"?
In fact, I seem to recall that the two weren't estranged until Courtney came out with her accusations, in which case, her mom felt that she couldn't live with the unfairness of her claims, which she saw as distortions or outright lies.
Actually I think the estrangement happened shortly before all this shit, according to something I heard or read from Snook.
So now we have Courtney Smith's attorney condemning the credibility of a poor, innocent, beaten-down woman?
Of course, I'm referring to the other "abused" woman.
You know, the one that Courtney, her attorney, and the national media now wants to freely abuse and allege is probably a liar at every opportunity, namely, Courtney's mom.
Of course, the only reason her lawyer is making public complaints about it is because he knows how seriously it has damaged Courtney's narrative, and worse... she just might be speaking the truth!
The trouble for their narrative is that there's no verifiable evidence of physical abuse, on top of which, there is substantial circumstantial evidence that if any abuse occurred, it was mutual, overwhelmingly psychological in nature and minimally physical (to the extent that any physical contact occurred at all).
In short, it was a bad marriage and nobody who wasn't behind closed doors will ever possibly know what really happened.
End result: The investigation committee, as well as the rest of the country, is hearing now another side of the story, which means that this whole "scandal" becomes a he-said-she-said affair, and as such, you simply cannot fire a third party over unverifiable behavior that "might" have occurred behind closed doors between a husband and wife off the field.
In short: He-Said-She-Said = Meyer is exonerated.
Heck, now it has even become a she-said-she-said (Courtney vs. her own mom).
At most, the university "might" suspend Urban Meyer for mishandling Big Ten Media Day and thereby damaging the reputation of the school, as well as costing the university $500K for investigation expenses, but I'd say that Meyer has already paid dearly for his poor communication that day, including a de facto suspension over the past 2+ weeks.
Moreover, to further suspend Meyer would amount to punishing the players on his team, which is unfair. Instead, the fairest resolution might be for the university to charge Meyer $500K for investigation expenses then announced that he's already served a 2-week suspensions for mishandling Media Day.
In terms of PR, the latter would actually benefit Meyer, because it would underscore that that there's only one thing that he did wrong in any of this: He miscommunicated. And as we have seen, this can be quite costly.
Of course, not only will the national media cover their ears about all this, the talking heads at the good-ole-boys network of ESPN will claim that Meyer only got off because of...
A good-ole-boy network at Ohio State.
Oh, the irony! But who cares what the official mouthpieces of the SEC have to say?
Well, okay, I do, but only for the amusement that comes with hearing their crocodile tears combined with the tortured illogic of their so-called "analysis."
To that end, I tuned into Paul Slimeibaum today and I actually heard him crying about how a mob mentality has turned on an abused woman, whereby he's conceding that this has become a "he-said-she-said" situation--never mind that there has been no proof of abuse and the only true mob has been the mainstream media that FROM DAY ONE tried to bully anybody who remotely suggested that due process needed to be followed.
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This washes out to Urban going to Notre Dame after Brian Kelly is fired at the end of the season.
Yeah man well that would suck. But that’s not news to us.
Courtney “taking the high road?” Does that include getting a job? She’s a single mom, where does she expect money to come from? Or maybe trumping up stories pays the bills?
Go Bucks and michigan STILL SUCKS!
Maybe the Hermans?
Kidding. Well, at least now it isn't likely that future payments will be coming from them.
On a more serious note, I seem to have read somewhere that she was dating someone. I wonder how serious that is, and then, how much a financial security blanket he might offer?
I know that sounds like an "untoward question," and to be clear, it is a question and not an allegation, but the thing is, in really strange, chaotic situations, you find yourself asking some odd questions to sort things out, because you never know what might turn out to be relevant or else explain the motive(s) behind someone's behavior.
I know it can be a bad look to make such an accusation, but based on what she did to get her husband arrested (not showing up at drop off spot, then recording him dropping their kid off at her apt) and supposedly pulling texts off her moms phone, it tells me she thought the money was going to be coming from OSU after Zach got fired. Everything she does now is an attempt to make that happen and the bigger the "story" is, the better chance OSU pays her something to make it go away.
Who the fuck is Christine Brennan? Just read an article she wrote for USA today. Unreal. No words can describe the slime she just threw at Coach. Unreal.
I can tell you who she is--she is from Mich*gan, grew up there, and is a HUGE supporter of their sports teams and hates OSU. This is very similar to when Mitch Albaum was on the Sports Reports, and is a writer for the Detroit Free Press and has written books on the Mich*gan sports teams. He would bash OSU every chance he got on the Sports Reporters, and people would not necessarily know he was biased. I e-mailed him once to tell him that was not right and he did not have the guts to respond. Same thing with Brennan. She is totally biased, a homer for "her team." People should call her out on this as she is writing for a national paper and people don't know that she grew up rooting for the TTUN.
Bucks fans in Mass
She grew-up in Ottawa Hills, OHIO. Borders Toledo.
She is a NW grad but huge scUM fan!
Idgaf WHAT they did or do -kiss and make up or PPV ladder match- I want our head coach back!
It. Is. Time.
From the sounds of it, they're both nuts. Their relationship is poison and they drug an entire school , fan base and the lives and well being multiple people into their trailer park of a relationship.
Rofl take the high road... IM GONNA GET THAT BASTARD FIRED! He recruited our 5 star WIDE YALL!! Hook em horns..
Seriously... this whole thing is utter bullS8it... Hermans are playing semantics.. but I dont care
"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015. Needs no explanation.
Yes everyone is lying except you Courtney.
Hey, if you can't trust a lawyer who says their client is a sweet, innocent victim who is being assaulted on all sides,...
I feel uncomfortable with how this has played out within our OSU community and media hot takes. I'm not ready to call out either of the parties as liars. I think it is best to wait and see because it seems very plausible that the abuse was hidden or that there was no abuse at all. And, I don't want to take the road of "let's get to football already." Yes, it would be nice to focus on the new season, but as an alumni, I deeply care on how my University handles these situations.
I'm sorry but she choose money over action then and now it just looks like lies and spite. If it truly happened it's awful but there's nothing a Head Football Coach could have done that the law didn't. The more that comes out on this the more it looks like Z. Smith was fired prematurely to be honest.
"Because I couldn't go for three."
Maybe I'm confused about terminology here because I'm not a lawyer, but shouldn't the truth come out DURING litigation?
MAKE. IT. STOP!!!!!
Free Urban too! Damn it, we need to get him back on the sidelines immediately!
The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced
I think there are 2 things seem important to me that show that Urban is confident he did nothing wrong and that he does expect to be exonerated:
Time and change does surely show...