Jeff Snook Releases New Column (8/16) with Facebook Messages from Michelle Herman

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osurox's picture

The plot thickens...

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My Dad Is A Wolverine But I'm A Buckeye's picture

+1 for Toy Story reference

Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North. 

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Sanantonefan's picture

That's what I said when I found that somebody had been adding soil to my garden...

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Was it bullshit, too?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Elks' comb over's picture

Still nothing on Harambe

Earle’s target practice

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chipperson1's picture

"I shot Harambe with McMurphy's help" - Tom Herman

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RK84's picture

I thought it was established McBane pulled the trigger under the guise of being McMurphy?

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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Elks' comb over's picture

Either way there are new allegations out there

Earle’s target practice

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steve-OH's picture

Hilarious to see Michelle Herman blowing up Courtney's statements that "all the coach's wives knew".... 

While I don't necessarily believe Michelle that "she never told anyone she was being abused..." - after all, didn't we see texts to Shelly and one other football staff's wife talking about it? I do find it interesting the way she is trying to phrase this. 

It makes 2 things clear: One, she is trying to distance herself and Tom from Courtney, she knows it's toxic. Two, you can tell from the way she is talking that nobody found her credible at OSU, and like the one coach's wife put it in those texts "Urban doesn't know what to believe." (that was essentially the problem when she started to speak up - there were no charges, reports were kept confidential by Powell PD, and everyone knew she was bat shit crazy, so when Zach denied it, there wasn't much they could do)

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I was just about to type that Michelle’s distancing of herself from someone she was close enough to to lend 10k is the most interesting part of the piece.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Michele is claiming nobody knew in 2014 when the Hermans were there -- so they are covered.  That it wasn't until 2015 that Courtney started telling everyone she could at Ohio State about the abuse she suffered, and everyone "enabled" domestic violence by covering it up and not helping her.  That's their narrative.

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HairyLegPits's picture

I struggle to believe that if Courtney was telling other wifeys who she wasn't really close with, she was also telling Michelle Herman. Guarantee she had text records of it but they have both probably deleted them. Hell, their were probably exchanges talking about how to go about bringing the most damage to Zach and Meyer.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

HairyLegPits, I lost all confidence in the authenticity of any of those texts when McMurphy posted one purporting to have been sent during the 2014 Minnesota game.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

In other words, Michele and Tom Herman did not witness, nor are they aware of anyone who claims to have witnessed, any physical abuse first hand and/or observed physical signs on Courtney Smith that might have indicated physical abuse.        

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OSU_JD's picture

Nor did they see any evidence of it. That’s key. Courtney’s abuse photos are from November 2014. 

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cecsix's picture

This. I found it interesting initially when McMurphy only released texts between Courtney and Shelley and Courtney and the other assistant's wife (can't remember which one now).  If, as Courtney claims, she was telling all the other wives about it, why don't we have any texts to that effect with Michelle, or any other coach's wife? 

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ncinthenext3's picture

It sure covers Tom's Title IX ass.

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AzBuckeye45's picture

I think she is getting advice from an attorney, and smartly so. 

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
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parabuckeye's picture

Even though it would come from Tommy you could give me say $50,000 since you just give it out all the time. Just sayin...

Let Meatchicken Beat Meatchicken!!!!

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

This farce of an investigation needs to be over by lunch.

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chemicalwaste's picture

Be a lot cooler if it was.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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hetuk2002's picture

Where is the accountability? I have seen so many opinions on this that are presumptive like the W Post this morning, it's annoying at best. I wish OSU could ban ESPN until a retraction/apology if Snooks report is true.

Football > Soap Operas

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Dmac3212's picture

They would have to ban every media outlet. Its not just ESPN. 

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HairyLegPits's picture

Yeah, but we all know that ESPN is the worst. They're a bunch of assclowns over there.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

That was some column.  You go, Jeff Snook.

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Buckeye Knight's picture

Pretty damning, and true, take on ESPN as well.

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Hovenaut's picture

Fair comment.

For those wondering, I did just delete a string of bickering over ESPN in this thread. It's enough.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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HairyLegPits's picture

Wouldn't bickering require at least one person to be defending ESPN? Seems like it would be easier to mute that person.

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Hovenaut's picture

Or ignore them...

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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CincyOSU's picture

Not defending ESPN at all. Last thing I will say here as I will respect MODs decision(although I felt this was actually civil back and forth for once). 

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OSU_JD's picture

Let me say something: both sides are right. 

Cincy, you are correct that ESPN is not covering this issue substantively different from any other sports outlet. 

What you’re not understanding is ESPN gets the heat it gets because it’s the Face of Sports in the National Media. When people think of Sports Media, they think of your bosses first, by a country mile. 

Its no different than thinking of the NYTimes and WaPo (combined) as the face of Print Media. 

If ESPN wants to relinquish its crown, they can do that voluntarily. But this is life in the Big City for them. 

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Ole Uncle Charle's picture

ESPN in no different that the rest of the media and twitterface. They report to trigger an emotional response before people can look at something logically. It’s a lot easier to know how you feel about something than know what you think about it. Journalism is no longer about being “fair and balanced” only drive clicks and subscriptions. If the truth doesn’t sell it’s not the truth.  

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

It’s a lot easier to know how you feel about something than know what you think about it. 

Let's add Wise to your user name.

Bravo. 

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stxbuck's picture

Yup-great observation indeed. That is also the cause for people hating the Facebookwebz-people thinking their feelings are as important as the facts of a matter or issue!

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CincyOSU's picture

OSU_JD - I have to agree with everything that you just said. After thinking on this a minute, I think in some cases I probably unfairly lumped two arguments together...that ESPN, among many others, is doing a TERRIBLE job reporting this story(which is completely justified) vs the argument that ESPN wants to destroy OSU(which is a completely different argument). So for that, I'll say my bad.

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CincyOSU's picture

Haha....DVs? Really? For that?

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NH-IO's picture

People should be entitled to express their opinion without being muted even if is not the majority opinion.  There's a massive amount of group think on this board.

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IH8UOFM's picture

How long until Texas Tom is on administrative leave?

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parabuckeye's picture

Mensa needs to reevaluate it's entrance requirements because that was not to bright getting wrapped up in that mess.

Let Meatchicken Beat Meatchicken!!!!

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

There is an (unscientific) kernel of folk wisdom, which says that the Intelligence Quotient (IQ) and the Common Sense Quotient (CSQ) are inversely related variables.   

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analyticalguy's picture

For what? Lying to the press (if he did)? For passing on info to the press (if he did that)? for being a jerk?

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Lying to the Press got Meyer put on Leave.

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analyticalguy's picture

Only because the underlying (alleged) events concerning what he lied about had some significance. Texas Tom's lying is akin to a rival head coach denying he told a recruit Meyer is about to retire. Sleazy, but nothing any school would suspend a coach over.

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OSU725's picture

It would mean Tom lied to the press, knew that suspected assault was going on, then decide to release the info, not out of concern fot the victim but because he had an axe to grind with the alleged abuser. 

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Buckeye82's picture

As one who always hoped he would come back to coach the Buckeyes someday, I hate to say it but if this is all verified and gets picked up by the major sports news outlets, Tommy stepped in to a shit storm the likes of which we've never seen - and deserves anything that comes his way.

Buckeye82

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I’m curious if meddling with another school’s coaching staff is an issue

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CowCat's picture

I’m curious too. Herman claimed he only would talk about his own program, but he was funneling money to the spouse of an OSU assistant coach who clearly had an agenda. I think the NCAA should investigate it. 

Imagine if Urban had the dirt on an Alabama coach and funneled money to them. They’d be all over us.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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mt10277's picture

Seems only fair, I mean if they want to examine this at EVERY angle. It wouldn’t shock me one bit if Finebaum isn’t lumping Meyer in with the Maryland tragedy bc he coached under Urban years ago.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I'm not "really friends" with anyone on here in a sense that I don't know any of you, but anyone want to borrow 10 grand? Sometimes I just loan money to people, or just give it to them, for no reason...

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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parabuckeye's picture

I'll take you up on the offer. I'll email you my bank info. HAHA

Let Meatchicken Beat Meatchicken!!!!

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Awesome, and hey, if you have a juicy story to tell? I know this guy name Butt McButthole, and he'd like to put you on TV and let you lie about a prominent sports figure.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Yes, go ahead and give me your acct #, and username and password for online access...

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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parabuckeye's picture

11-24-2018 michiganstillsucks 

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IGotAWoody's picture

I tried that, but it doesn't take, because _y keyboard has the _ key re_oved. Can you change it to *ichiganstillsucks?

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yes, and I will bet your generous $5K "loan" to me on a horse race. If "we" win, I will pay you back $1,100 the very next day (talk about a return on investment!).

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PRO8's picture

I'm a Nigerian Prince and I'll take you up on that...I will be able to pay ypu back twice the amount loaned if you send that $10K immediately to:

ACCt # 875034199 Care of

 Bank of Nigeria

4734 Mabuku Place 

Lagos, Nigeria

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Regarding those Title IX obligations he says Michelle's denial covers Tom for, I thought the general thought is that any abuse Zach allegedly inflicted on Courtney would not be covered by Title IX? That seemed to be the case when we were discussing Urban's obligations, anyways.

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BigWillRIP's picture

Yeah, I was confused by Snook's statement as well.  I thought TItle IX only applied to university employees (which Courtney is not) or on university property or university sponsored events (which their home is not).

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tcm1968's picture

It's about Zach on campus... The implication would be if he truly was beating on his wife ( not title ix but a legal matter) it could veer into the title ix lane because Zach could have been viewed as a dangerous person in general and therefore should not have been around students/players. 

The coaches would have an obligation to report it to compliance...  The same thing would apply to Urban.. there's nothing to title ix with regards to Zach and Courtney off campus. It would be potentially allowing a dangerous person to stay on staff... Basically a guy who hits his wife is not title ix but that same guy could be title ix if he shouldn't be around say.. a female student assisting the team.. 

That seems to be where a big portion of this is headed... that the Coaches did their part ( including Urban) and then it got futzed up once it went to compliance. Compliance probably made one call to the cops in Powell and thought "Courtney is nuts" and that's where it ended... which of course is a problem..

Then it will be about 2009 and did Gene and OSU know about that incident and did the compliance department know about it when they got the 2015 file from Urban.... that's where it could get tricky for the compliance department and Urban or Gene or both of them.

I tend to think that the 2009 stuff is what's going to futz up the whole thing. That Zach and Urban didn't disclose that during the hire and that OSU only became aware of it here recently. Compliance will say if they knew about 2009 it would have changed 2015. Gene will say the same thing.. 

Still think we are headed for a LONG press conference where the University will take blame for not doing a better job of investigating the 2015 incident and announce they have a new set of protocols to make sure this never happens again. Urban will get a 3 game suspension for not revealing what he knew about the 2009 incident in the original hire and for not doing a better job of realizing Zach should not have been coaching. Urban will say he made some mistakes and as a plan in place so that doesn't happen moving forward. And last but not least Gene will deliver most of this press conference and then announce he's stepping down..

Go Bucks!

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

 Compliance probably made one call to the cops in Powell and thought "Courtney is nuts" and that's where it ended... which of course is a problem..

Why is this a problem, the evidence seems to suggest she is.

and for not doing a better job of realizing Zach should not have been coaching. 

Why shouldn't Zach have been coaching?  Would seem his ex wife has a history of making false claims to the police, if the 2009 and 2015 incidents were examples of this then why should Urban have suspended ZS?

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tcm1968's picture

Because that's not how it works... compliance has a set of protocols... you really think this ends well if some paper pusher never sent it up the chain of command because a powell cop basically said that lady is nuts?  

And why shouldn't he have been coaching.. ..he's sleeping in his freaking office because his home-life is a mess.. that's enough right there... something is wrong in that dudes world and he shouldn't be around players/students.. and it spilled over into the school.. you add on that she showed up at the school and they argued at the school.. and it just keeps getting worse... not to mention I have no reason to not believe the media folks and 11W folks in an around the program that have either suggested or flat out said Zach having a drinking problem wasn't exactly a secret..

The national implications is BLINDINGLY obvious... Urban either turned a blind eye so the dude could keep his gig or turned a blind eye because winning was more important... 

The reason you do something in 2015 is so you don't get un a MUCH worse situation 3 years later.. at the very freaking least Urban should have given Zach time away from the program... he didn't do that.. 

And I continue to believe the 2009 stuff is going to be what causes all the problems.... No one said it was a false police report. Zach agreed that it happened just that it was a misunderstanding... you really think if it was just a lie by Courtney Urban and Shelley are meeting with them to counsel them?? 2009 happened.. Zach didn't tell Marshall about it and didn't tell Temple about it... assuming that trend continued at OSU that problem becomes Urbans problem because he knew.. I just can't imagine Gene signs off on a Zach hire right after the Tress fiasco if he knows about 2009...

We'll know Monday at the presser... glad it's almost over..

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Because that's not how it works... compliance has a set of protocols... you really think this ends well if some paper pusher never sent it up the chain of command because a powell cop basically said that lady is nuts?  

So if compliance contacted the Powell PD, and were told that the claims were unfounded then they should have done what?  Does the compliance department have their own investigation team for domestic matters, or would the evidence gathered by the professionals likely be enough?

And why shouldn't he have been coaching.. ..he's sleeping in his freaking office because his home-life is a mess.. that's enough right there... something is wrong in that dudes world and he shouldn't be around players/students.. and it spilled over into the school.. you add on that she showed up at the school and they argued at the school.. and it just keeps getting worse... not to mention I have no reason to not believe the media folks and 11W folks in an around the program that have either suggested or flat out said Zach having a drinking problem wasn't exactly a secret..

So he slept in his office, so fucking what?  Wouldn't it be a good thing that he removed himself from the toxic situation at home?  Her showing up at his workplace to fight with him just destroys her credibility that much more, its also not something he can control yet you want him suspended over it?  It's obvious his marriage is in shambles, its also obvious he was doing his job at a high level while all this was going on.  So if it wasn't effecting his performance at work, why should he be disciplined?  Him having a bad marriage means he's a threat to players/students?  How so?  Why shouldn't he have been around them?  Zach's also protected from negative action being taken against him for alcoholism, so not sure they could have suspended him for that if they wanted to.

And I continue to believe the 2009 stuff is going to be what causes all the problems.... No one said it was a false police report. Zach agreed that it happened just that it was a misunderstanding... you really think if it was just a lie by Courtney Urban and Shelley are meeting with them to counsel them?? 2009 happened.. Zach didn't tell Marshall about it and didn't tell Temple about it... assuming that trend continued at OSU that problem becomes Urbans problem because he knew.. I just can't imagine Gene signs off on a Zach hire right after the Tress fiasco if he knows about 2009...

So you think Zach beat up his wife in 2009, then the Meyers stood by him and took him under their wing afterwards?  Because thats what Courtney called the police saying.  I find that really hard to believe, but thats just me.  He also wasn't arrested, so why exactly would he need to inform prospective employers of the incident?  Every background check I've taken asks if I've ever been CONVICTED of a crime, nowhere has it asked how many times I've been questioned and not charged.

Hindsight is 20/20, but in 2015 there was no reason that OSU knew of to suspend ZS.  To date, all he's guilty of is a misdemeanor traffic violation.  Would firing him after she called the cops then declined to press charges in 2015 made 2018 easier, absolutely but that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.  Hell, firing him in 2018 may not have been the right thing to do until they learned he failed to report his OVI.

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Wildragei's picture

The national implications is BLINDINGLY obvious... Urban either turned a blind eye so the dude could keep his gig or turned a blind eye because winning was more important... 

or thirdly, reported it, got the guy counseling, and they monitored him for three years without issue until batshit crazy decided to start drinking again...........

Wildragei

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stxbuck's picture

Excellent post. While I don't think Meyer deserves to be fired for this situation, he also has no one to blame but himself if that is indeed the case. He erred against what should have been his better judgment by keeping Zach smith in his professional orbit after the 2009 situation.

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BigWillRIP's picture

Urban Meyer- Director of Human Resources

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stxbuck's picture

For position coaches on his staff-damn right he is. He has known Smith since Smith was a walk-on freshman playing for him at BGSU, probably longer than that, given his relationship with the Bruce family.

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BigWillRIP's picture

You think an accumulation of instances, regardless of there legitimateness, is going to be Urban's downfall?  My thoughts about 2009 are ZS was hired and passed background checks at 2 different places before OSU and OSU ran the same background and didn't have a problem with it.  2015 was reported or known by at least Gene and the police were never able to make an arrest or press charges.  I just don't get how you're supposed to fire someone (ZS) because of that or at least you're looking at a wrongful termination lawsuit.  Not saying the outcome isn't what you predict because God knows what OSU will do to satisfy the masses. I just don't agree that should be the outcome.   

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Buckets At Fletcher's's picture

That seems to be where a big portion of this is headed... that the Coaches did their part ( including Urban) and then it got futzed up once it went to compliance. Compliance probably made one call to the cops in Powell and thought "Courtney is nuts" and that's where it ended... which of course is a problem..

Hey TCM, honest question because it sounds like you know your stuff; where is it supposed to end in a scenario where the OSU compliance folks ended up not believing the accuser. What is the proper end game there?

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b01000100's picture

I wonder if they would give me some money.  I have a lot of student loans...

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EZE4TD's picture

Is it a lottery system or should we fill out some application of need? Maybe need to write an essay? "Why Tom and Michelle Should Fund my New Gameroom (1000 words or less)"

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Also—just to ask—do we know why the Hermans hated Zach Smith so much?

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

My guess is that it was some form of personal issue that occurred upon Herman's exit or while he was at Houston/transitioning to Texas. I know that Herman was the guy in Texas recruiting for the Buckeyes while he was here, but I am fairly certain Smith took over those duties, and perhaps Herman just wanted Smith out of the way in that regard?

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BigWillRIP's picture

Tim Beck recruited TX for 2 years after Herman left.

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Dstacify's picture

Yes, and Tim Beck didn't last long here. Herman quickly snatched him up as OC at Texas as soon as he became available. It's classic case of, "If you're recruiting against me on my turf I'm going to play dirty." Herman was the HC at Houston for both years Beck was at OSU. Houston doesn't have nearly the recruiting pull to compete with schools like OSU that Texas does.

11 Strong.

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BigWillRIP's picture

Well, if TH's plan is to either hire everyone who recruits against him or get them fired, that would be a bold strategy, let's see how that plays out.

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BennyBuckeye's picture

Also—just to ask—do we know why the Hermans hated Zach Smith so much?

Just guessing that it might have something to do with being friends (sorry, lenders) with someone accusing him of DV?

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OSU_JD's picture

yeah right - then they would have done something about it sooner. 

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northernchild's picture

Honestly, he sounds like a conspiracy theorist, which is why other media aren’t reporting what he says. 

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Erk aTx's picture

Hate to have to agree with this. This post did nothing to add to the credibility questions. Only hurt his reporting more IMO. Until he posts actual proof, that's all this is going to be. 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I agree. He actually had some relatively new information in that post, but the fact that he led with a diatribe kind of softens the impact.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Dude, in terms of the traditional Columbia School of Journalism process, McMurphy's "story" was complete tabloid garbage (even if some of the facts turn out to be true). Yet, the "other" major sports media ate it up like hungry little puppies. Meanwhile, their colleagues in the "news" room (cough, cough) seems to love themselves some conspiracy theories.     

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OSU_JD's picture

The conspiracy theory is that two major public institutions and two cities’ police departments covered up domestic violence. Crazy right? Apparently not. 

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northernchild's picture

I agree that is also a conspiracy theory. It’s possible for more than one person to be wrong.

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Maka's picture

Snook about to get a nice offer from Fox Sports. Well deserved. 

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Erk aTx's picture

He didn't really release any texts or new information. It was just an opinion post. I would have liked to see more evidence shown against Tom. He hinted yesterday he would post that but he hasn't shown us any texts yet. 

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

I mean, he quoted the messages he had with Michelle Herman. It would be pretty dumb to quote someone if you didn’t actually have the ability to back up those claims.

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Maka's picture

“She never told me she was being abused. She never told anyone she was being abused. Nobody saw any abuse.”

That is new and shows Michelle and Tom are backtracking big time. 

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RBloodworth's picture

No;  they’re saying that none of the alleged abuse happened when they were at OSU.  All of that happened after they left for Houston, if you’re to believe Michelle Herman.

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OSU_JD's picture

The problem is Courtney’s pictures are from November of 2014. The Hermans didn’t leave until December 2014. 

So her best friend affiliated with the staff didn’t “(see) any abuse.”

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RBloodworth's picture

Ding!  We have a winner!  That pokes a hole in at least Michelle Herman’s statement.  You would think that, if things were as bad as the pictures from that time portrayed, Courtney’s friends would have been aware, and yet everyone kept their mouths shut.  So, either she is lying about not being aware of abuse, or people weren’t convinced that any abuse was actually happening.

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bucks4nuts's picture

I had to re read that 4 times.. wow

"To The House"

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Erk aTx's picture

but where's actual proof? Like showing these text messages.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Why do they need to be included, has anyone refuted this?

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goodlifesean's picture

I think Barf and Elk haveproved, texts are pretty worthless unless they come from the phone company. In fact they have actually killed that joke.

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Meek's picture

That's how jokes go on the forum. BeatDeadHorse.gif

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

That's how jokes go on the forum. BeatDeadHorse.gif

Yeah, look how long the Richard Lagow thing went on lol.

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Buck298's picture

Richard Lagow would have never been caught with CS. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Yeah, look how long the Richard Lagow thing went on lol.

Went? 

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cecsix's picture

The "actual texts" are quoted in the article. 

Unless you have access to phone company records, you're not going to get the actual texts.  Jeff isn't going to just make shit up that Michelle didn't actually say.  That would be very dumb on his part, especially for a writer with 30+ yrs of experience. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Plus, wouldn't clicking submit turn the slander into libel, if it weren't true?

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bwherbert's picture

I'm betting that Snook has hard evidence to back up his claims, but in order to make it public he will have to give up his source, which will not happen unless the source agrees. Unfortunately, that's the only way I can see his work having any impact on the investigation.

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aj99's picture

He's trying to be a wise journalist and give the Herman's the chance to respond before he drops the bomb on them.  He's not out to ruin people and he's being much more professional and gracious than Mcfurcky has ever been.  He wants the truth out there. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

It's cute they keep referring to that $10k as a loan, like there's any possibility of that getting paid back.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

So when is the committee going to interview her?

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JCam061588's picture

I’m just eager to see what all OSU releases from the report. I hope they release it all, because it will be hilarious to see the holders of all these strong opinions start to backtrack. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

I imagine we see an influx of new screen names after the release.

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My Dad Is A Wolverine But I'm A Buckeye's picture

I honestly wonder if they are going to release anything. If they release what they find, those findings might ignite another media firestorm and result in more bad publicity. If they reinstate Urban, the resulting media firestorm won't need anymore gasoline. I cannot wait for this nonsense to finally be put to rest. 

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BennyBuckeye's picture

If they reinstate Urban, the resulting media firestorm won't need anymore gasoline.

True, but I think they should be transparent if reinstating him. If they reinstate him and only issue a statement, then it's going to be nothing from claims of wanting to win games, football is more important at OSU than anything else yada yada.

If they release evidence while reinstating him, people against it look/sound more like the quacks they really are.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I wonder if that’s why they brought everyone in...told them look, here’s what we have.  Shut your damn mouths, go settle your shit in court, and move on.  Another peep from anyone and we’ll defend ourselves to the extent of the law.  

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Very good point. This is TOSU after all. Not some tiny liberal arts college in the middle of nowhere. They can tell people how it's going to be.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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JCam061588's picture

I have the same worries. I get it both ways, there is plenty of reasons for them to release it & plenty of reasons for them not to. Going by OSU’s history they would try not to release it & let the situation die. But from what I’ve heard, this situation & how it’s been reported has rubbed a lot of people with power in regards to OSU the wrong way & a lot of them really want to fight back. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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OSU_JD's picture

I think they must release it all, right? Think about it: the Smiths have two open court cases (the DV CPO and Zach Smith has filed to reopen his Divorce!). Anything OSU has showing the way she is, is subject to subpoena. And I’m not sure but the records would, I think, be subject to state FOIA laws. 

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BennyBuckeye's picture

I think they must release it all, right?

I was just thinking about the FOIA aspect. So yeah, they know media outlets will FIOA the shit out of this, so why not just release it? Especially if it exonerates the University and Meyer?

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hetuck's picture

That's why I think the committee report will be given orally to Drake and the Board of Trustees. That's what they did at Baylor. Nothing to be subpoenaed. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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OSU_JD's picture

well except for the people who did the investigating and anyone they interviewed.

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Buckets At Fletcher's's picture

You and me both. I just wish people would at least consider "what if the accuser is lying". I mean, we are talking about destroying career's here. Destroying peoples character. What if that happens based on lies. It absolutely blows me away that people won't even consider this as possible.

"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."

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Cooper's picture

Regardless of how much I may agree with the majority of his opinions... this piece was all over the place, poorly written, and in general did not provide any new information. I just want this to be over.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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bwherbert's picture

Agreed. There is nothing here. He has to produce hard evidence, which will probably involve giving up his sources. If he doesn't do that, nothing he says will be a factor.

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OSU_JD's picture

The quote from Michelle Herman is very important. 

Courtney’s pictures are from November of 2014. Is Michelle saying she never noticed these alleged marks or bruises on her best friend in 2014? Beggars belief. 

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Elks' comb over's picture

Agreed. Scenarios:

1. They knew about the allegations in 2014 and are lying.

2 They didn't find out until after they left for Texas and have been sitting on the abuse all these years, again lying they knew anything and hiding the abuse from afar.

3. They never knew about this until we found out, but conveniently gave her a loan prior to help "pay for school" while she is receiving a hefty alimony and child support payment...

4. The loan is legit and they never knew about abuse because CS only told people that were not her best friends... right...

Earle’s target practice

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Poorly written is correct. How many times did he say "but back to (person,). Irritating.

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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BrutusB's picture

 and his name is mentioned, he made a mistake by not admitting the truth and getting out in front of it ahead of time...

This kind of applies to everyone involved in this scandal. 

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RK84's picture

Preach.

It doesn't matter whether you're the lion or a gazelle-when the sun comes up, you'd better be running.

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ncinthenext3's picture

Everyone...get away from ESPN!!  He hates ESPN!!!  

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HairyLegPits's picture

I've always assumed that all OSU fans know that ESPN is biased garbage.

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bwherbert's picture

I have no love for ESPN and completely believe they do shoddy reporting.....BUT....Snook's name simply doesn't carry the same credibility, and unless he produces hard evidence that Herman was involved and Courtney Smith is lying, he's going to lose. It's not fair but that's just the way this game works. 

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ncinthenext3's picture

Anyone thinking it's possible that Zach Smith cheated on his wife.....with Michelle Herman?  

Nothing would be too surprising here...

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

If that was the case, I wouldn’t think she’d be continuing to text Snook....which is weird to begin with. Does Tom know this is happening?  Have to be a pretty awkward dinner conversation. 

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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HairyLegPits's picture

Intriguing

Or.... Courtney was sexing with Tom AND Michelle. At the same time

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ncinthenext3's picture

It just seems like this story wouldn't be complete without a connection along those lines somewhere.  Not that I'm hoping for it.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Please God no.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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JSH0717's picture

That would complete the Jerry Springer episode. 

GO BUCKS!

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OSU_JD's picture

Nah, the real Springer episode would be if they BOTH cheated with Michelle Herman. Now we’re talking! 

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JSH0717's picture

Haha, now that would be an episode! 

GO BUCKS!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

What if told you...Tim Beck is Jeff Snook’s source?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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ncinthenext3's picture

That would fill in some blanks.  It would certainly make it credible.  He might not have his job too long, though if he's dishing on the boss.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Would we have to go back to liking Tim Beck, again?

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cecsix's picture

As much as I disliked him as a coach here, Beck really did seem to "walk the walk" as far as being a good, solid family man.  Makes you wonder if he might be the source. 

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Urban Nation Army's picture

I was going to write this.

Plot twist: Urban saw all of this coming, and planned for it, when he hired Tom Herman and Zach Smith in 2012, and when he hired Tim Beck in 2015.

Bet you can't say "Bert Bielma is a bumbling buffoon" five times fast.

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SlickityDarza's picture

Kenny Guiton is Snook's source

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

That is a very real possibility. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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cecsix's picture

I heard it was the other way.  Texas Tom Longhorned Crazy Courtney

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ncinthenext3's picture

I thought of that, too.  She's not being accused of being a cheater, though.

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OSU_JD's picture

It would be a shocker for sure. 

Ahem. 

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

You can tell the folks whose only goal is to get Meyer fired. They ignore and write off all opposing evidence as a big "nothingburger"
Tides are turning yet some arent thrilled because their narrative has been stomped on by everyone close to the situation. This is literally now CS+Brett+MsM vs. Several credible and powerful individuals.

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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sharks's picture

I'd like to read the article, but don't facebook ever. Is copy pasta appropriate here, and if so, can someone do it?

A man got to have a code...

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flipsaari2's picture

copy pasting it would destroy this page. the link below is to a redditor posting it as text

https://www.reddit.com/r/OhioStateFootball/comments/97sv6j/michelle_herm...

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Can't you read it even without a FB account? Or are you one of those people who thinks your personal information is safer without visiting a FB page?

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0H-10's picture

That's some hardcore, old-school, ethical journalism there. David taking on Goliath...for the WIN! Too bad other so-called journalists did not do their due diligence, too. 

You can read the post without Facebook log in.

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cledaybuck's picture

No it's not.  It's basically an opinion piece bashing ESPN.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Waaaaaaayyyyy too much drama. He said she said Facebook this text that. What a bunch of attention seeking turds. Everyone seems to be trying to get something out of a bad situation. A recruit ,press coverage ,a broken story, Ax to grind . What a sad sad situation 

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blocko330's picture

Hurts my eyes to read something that long with zero spaces in between "paragraphs" but that was still some juicy juice.

Can they just bring Urban back and we can turn ALL focus toward the football team and upcoming season?!

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller

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OSU_JD's picture

But I don’t know enough about football to intelligently comment on it! What am I supposed to do then?! 

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analyticalguy's picture

Just do what the 90% of us who are in the same boat do - offer our strong opinions anyway.

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My buck's picture

I applaud Snook.  He took quite a big risk for defending someone and something he believes is right, while everyone else was searching for rope to tie Urban to a stake.  He’s gotten much more info than Turd McMuffin ever got. 

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Facemeat2's picture

Enough of this shit. Reinstate Meyer now and lets get to football. Let the smiths work out their personal shit in court and hopefully never be heard from or seen again 

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swolgam's picture

We all need to spam ESPN's social media outlets with this article so everyone who is inclined can read it.   Great work Jeff

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BraxtonBarrett5's picture

Okay, well that didn't work... Was supposed to be a gif.

Edit: boom there it is

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ncinthenext3's picture

Hey you pulled the double.  You said you were annoyed and then annoyed everyone else with a Kardashian.

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B1Gspeed's picture

Hypocrisy abounds in Bristol, CT.  And these "experts" or "journalists" that are employed at ESPN...shame on you.

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HawaiiBuck's picture

It's interesting that ESPN no longer allows comments to be posted on any of their online articles. How are we to paste Snook's piece there? Guess we cannot. 

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buckeyefan67's picture

Yea, I noticed that ESPN no longer allows comments (or SI for that matter)  for almost  ...what, a yr ago?  I, like you,  had some responses that needed to be posted.  Perhaps the problems Facebook and other social media outlets have had forced their decision.

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Buckeye Knight's picture

Can you go on FB and report their crap (most of the media on this situation) as fake news?

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analyticalguy's picture

Why does it matter who tipped off McMurphy to talk to Courtney? Ok, maybe it helps us decide whether we like Texas Tom or not, and perhaps it allows for speculation about juicy side stories - but what does it inform us on whether Meyer did the right thing, or who did what to whom in the Zach & Courtney relationship? And no matter the relevance to anything important, if Snook has proof of his claims, why doesn't he just provide it?

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

It matters little to nothing if the allegations Courtney is making are true. However, if her allegations are untrue or even just partially true, it fortifies the counter-claim that there was a scheme to lie and set up Zach Smith/Urban Meyer.

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hetuk2002's picture

The motive is payback on losing on a recruit. Petty. It really is that simple

Football > Soap Operas

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Hetuk - I don’t know if it is that simple, Snook is already walking back his comments about it being because of Wilson 

“My people are a peaceful people, we cannot protect ourselves.”

”My people are not peaceful, we will protect you.”

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hetuk2002's picture

I had not seen or recalled hearing that from Snook.

Football > Soap Operas

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OSU_JD's picture

He said it in an interview with Mike Bianchi - basically the Garrett Wilson thing was a bit too speculative on the part of his source.  Sounded like the source walked it back a bit to Snook and Snook said he was a touch over his skis.

Which is about 1,000% more honesty we've gotten from McMurphy, who still has the lede of "Urban knew" to this date

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Akron Buck's picture

Snook saying this

"When the investigative committee releases every ounce of its findings, and his name is mentioned, he made a mistake by not admitting the truth and getting out in front of it ahead of time."

Makes me think he knows something the committee was given or found.  like texts from herman to courtney setting her up with mcmurphy or similar

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Shockersmad's picture

That right Akron Buck!!!! I was about to comment on that because I thought no one caught it. I'm thinking Jeff didnt out his source because the Committee is going to out every dog on thing. If they say it then it's going to hold more weight. And he giving them time to get in front of it because he don't think they're bad people. Pretty much what I get when it gets to the part about them. Man do I luv how he absolutely destroys Finbalms puke a**. If I offend anyone I'm sorry but Finbalm looks like a genuine overgrown penis with no balls lol.

Shockersmad

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BucksWinItAll's picture

Shame on you, EspiN.  Shame on all of you, shoddy media members.  #thisiscompletebullshit

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d1145fresh's picture

Not that this has anything to do with OSU or Urban but if I was a head coach at a big time program I wouldn't exactly want my wife saying we give away a bunch of money to people. The NCAA would love to come in and see where that money is going.

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DukeofWeimar's picture

I'm throwing this out there..Kenny Guiton, Tx WR coach...is deepthroat

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B1Gspeed's picture

For the record, Kenny G never left Houston and this is where he remains as WR coach.

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js2378's picture

Can someone send me Michelle's number? They apparently just give money away so I'd like my slice of their pie, before UT takes it back. 

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EnonBuck79's picture

I just got Galaxy Noted....and then Rick Rolled.

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AdvancedBuckeye's picture

Wait, wait! My turn...um,

CS calls MH (otherwise we'd have a picture of the text) and says "damn I'm tryin to get my life together but school and my former marriage are really draggin me down. ZS isn't supporting me the way I need to be and the kids are driving me nuts. (This last part is obvious)

MH- "Tom what the hell, this chick is blowin up my phone and won't leave me be. I feel bad for her but damn!  Can I send her some money to shut her up?

TH- "Sure but this is the last time. Send her 10 grand."

MH- "CS darlin here's some cash to tide you over but you really need to find another source of income. Maybe the story of your life as a coaches wife...yadda yadda yadda."
 

The rest of the story- The Herman's aren't the monsters they look to be, but they could be the "source" of the investigation without even knowing they were. CS has played someone else other than the police, media and her own mother. MH is now "I barely knew that girl".

Should I get that FB account now?

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

Snook is an absolute genius by locking MH&TH into saying they never heard about any abuse ever.
That lil diddy is going to comeback on down the line and be a handy weapon/shield. Looks like MH is easily mensaed.

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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Odens 3rd leg's picture

What if CS being a typical scorned woman takes offense to MH describing her as "barely a friend" and broke dick who needs cash. And turns the tide and has Mcmurphy release her text messages to MH, which I'm sure there is some golden nuggets between those 2 smokin hot psychos. Case against Urban fails and she goes after Tom and his wife lol

You are only as big as the sheeple say you are.

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mmit's picture

First I can't stand domestic violence and have a real problem with men who are guilty of it.  Second, i believe that the "burden of proof" is, and should be, on the side of the woman (and against the man) in such cases.  I was initially very very skeptical and, frankly, torqued off at the inital reports and how they reflected on Zach Smith and UFM.  It all stunk like a domestic violenece cover-up, helped out by the rich and powerful.  Two weeks later, as the story has unfolded, as it should be allowed to, it sure sounds like we have a cuckoo bird of an ex-wife, and an employer/boss who probably intimately knew this, and was completely befuddled, and likely did not have the time, did not have the authority,  to properly look in to and address it.  He (UFM) probably shrugged, thru up his hands, and threw it to the admin superiors, where it needed to be.  UFM, in any given year, probably has responsibilitily for close to 100 young men between 18 and 22, and another few dozen adults, who all have their own issues and problems.  He can't save them, it's not really his job.  Now get UFM back on the sideline and let's roll!!!

O-H

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EZE4TD's picture

This is no reflection of you personally because I'm not taking the time to go back and examine your posts over the last two weeks. But we had a lot of people on this site eating the narrative whole without any questions, and jumping to the same conclusions you are referring to. If you want to say a young assistant coach with a murky record was doing some godawful things behind closed doors, I'll hold judgment, but I wouldn't be shocked if the evidence came back and confirmed. But if people are going to tell me that Urban Meyer, a man who has shown us nothing but class and integrity, who is responsible for building the best age of Buckeye football on the field that most of us will ever know, and who is producing young men who are better off the field than they are on it, is guilty of covering up a low-level assistant beating his wife just Ohio State could keep recruiting Florida well, then I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it. It would take a ton of incontestable evidence before I'm believing that load of crap. Again, not directed at you Mmit, but at the large portion of posters who were so quick to convict, fire and replace UFM on zero credible evidence. 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

This might be the most well written, the most important, and the most truthful sports column I have ever read in my life. 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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Elks' comb over's picture

Time will tell once the investigation releases their findings. This post seemed more about taking aim at certain suits at ESPN than providing much more in the way of the Smith’s. 

Earle’s target practice

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Brohio's picture

Just FYI, when the Hermans are busted for being full of shit and they try to play the sympathy angle "Oh we just feel so strongly about abuse that it was our duty to make sure Zach was fired", have this article ready to spam the shit out of the comments

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/collegesports/2017/01/20/tom-herman-defends-hiring-former-baylor-staffer-says-vetted-rigorously

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

That's a spicy little coincidence.

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EZE4TD's picture

That may have been the greatest thing I've ever read. Not because it defends OSU, but because it calls out the evil scumbaggery that has rooted and taken hold of ESPN. They've been sliding for more than a decade, but have been absolute shit for the last 5 years. 

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Evansvillebuckeye's picture

So, Tom Herman won't ever be coming back as head coach then??

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Thats so 2016 bro, we're on to Ryan Day now.

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McGrind's picture

When will the third wheel from 2009 be interviewed? Seems kind of important (ok salacious) ZS helping out a coworker to intoxicated to drive...or a threesome gone bad? 

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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BigWillRIP's picture

Has anyone heard the third wheel from 2009 was Urban's assistant, he brought her to OSU, and that's why CS is so vindictive toward Urban?  My buddy told me that the other night. I thought he was full of shit, but this comment reminded me and seemed like an appropriate place to ask the question. 

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bd2999's picture

The only thing of note is she indicated that it was not well known among the staff, which is different than what we heard from Courtney.

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Buckeye_Mafia's picture

even after staring into the cameras two weeks ago and stating he knew nothing of anything going on at Ohio State ‘because we weren’t there in 2015”

So based on precedence, shouldn't he be crucified by the national media for lying to them?  Or is that strictly reserved for tOSU head coaches?   

"At critical moments throughout the season, we learned about the character of this football team.  This was a team of true character, of true resilience." -- President Barack Obama

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NoVAsmitty's picture

Could this just end now!  Please!  The investigative committee's two weeks is up when?  Monday?  But that doesn't mean we find out anything on Monday.  It just means they've wrapped up their investigation, need to advise the president and BoT, and then we might find something out.  A week from Monday?  And more speculation to follow.

Here's the problem, one of many.  This event has become a LIfetime movie or a "Housewives of Columbus" series.  In the grand scheme of things, I think Jeff Snook, despite some helpful reporting and uncovering of additional facts that support Urban and Ohio State, is only working in his own self-interest at this point.  Even McMurphy isn't writing about this anymore.  Anyone in the media who is (e.g., Brennan) is doing so as part of a larger story also including Maryland.  And that's where we are.  Except to us, these new facts are all meaningless, and I really doubt the committee is reading what Snook is writing.  Believe me, Mary Jo White is not basing any decision on what a reporter, whether it be Snook, McMurphy, Brennan, etc. has written.  

But the concern remains, will Drake or the BoT read the stores, listen to radio/TV, and make a decision based off of it?  The hit was done by McMurphy, and everything else that follows is just so much collateral damage.  The media has moved on.  There aren't any investigative journalists anymore.  There's no revenue in it.  24 hour news channels, social media, and blogs like 11W killed investigative journalism.  If you want to be an investigative journalist, then either join law enforcement or become a documentary filmmaker.  It takes too long to develop a true, corroborated investigated piece and most people don't have the attention span to follow it.  There's no way today that two intrepid reporters from the Washington Post could take a story about a two-bit break-in in a DC apartment building and in two years see a President resign because of it.  It took two years!  Members of the media are now either access journalists or like Snook or McMurphy setting up click bait or trying to get a story out quick that fascinates for today or maybe this week.  Finebaum is a combination of the two.  He would never call Saban a "fraud," because Finebaum needs his access to Saban.  He calls Urban a "fraud," because he knows that will fire up his southern viewers.  From a national media perspective, this story is dead, which was the first intention for forming an investigative committee.  Media has now largely moved on to Maryland, except for the few hack access journalists, like Brennan, who attempt to tie the two together.  

As long as the committee finds that Urban reported what he was supposed to report and the program can't be painted as "enabling serial domestic violence" (i.e., the incidents were isolated or, better yet, singular, if they actually were DV (and let's not forget the Powell Police apparently didn't think 2015 was DV)), then Urban should retain his job.  Drake didn't become President of tOSU because he's a dummy who doesn't know how to communicate.  If the facts are what we think they are, then he can lay out a coherent statement that reporting protocols were followed, no Title IX violations occurred, and the program does not have a culture of enabling or tolerating DV.  Drake isn't going to bend to social or media pressure, either pro-Urban or anti-Urban, because he knows that today's news will be forgotten when the next big story breaks, and it already did with Maryland.  

I have four hopes at this time:  (1) I hope the news, the posts, the chatter about ZS and CS ceases; (2) I hope I can stop reading and listening to said news, posts, and chatter about ZS and CS; (3) Urban is cleared and reinstated without suspension; and (4) Urban sues the hell out of that pencil neck, cracker Paul Finebaum because his accusations were done with malice.  Finebaum was poli sci major at UT.  In his day, a political science major got a job at the local newspaper.  Today he'd be a barrista.  Not that being a barrista is a bad job, but do you listen to barristas?  

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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OSU_JD's picture

well if you don't think the reporting is affecting the investigation, why did the Committee choose to interview Lynne Bruce and Tina Carano? 

Drake isn't going to bend to social or media pressure, either pro-Urban or anti-Urban, because he knows that today's news will be forgotten when the next big story breaks, and it already did with Maryland.  

lol Drake is the weakest President I have seen in my lifetime. Say what you will about Karen Holbrook, but lord knows she wasn't weak.

I think Jeff Snook, despite some helpful reporting and uncovering of additional facts that support Urban and Ohio State, is only working in his own self-interest at this point.  

Even if true, so what?  His reporting did what everyone else refused to: consider the other side.  I am sad and still kind of in disbelief that people are getting on Snook for having the temerity to actually talk to someone other than the alleged victim!

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NoVAsmitty's picture

More than likely because of "testimony" heard from ZS and/or CS.  It does appear, based on Snook's reporting, that both were witnesses of some of the trouble in the marriage.  If the Snook or McMurphy reporting affected the investigation, it would be because the committee asked to talk to Snook and McMurphy and it doesn't appear that they have, for we certainly would have heard about that from Messrs. Snook and McMurphy.    

I don't think a Herman connection has anything to do with Urban's future employment by tOSU.  It's added flavor to the sordid affair that is this story, but has no direct connection to whether Urban stays or goes.

I do think the Snook reporting has been helpful in getting some of the other side of the story out there.  However, what is most helpful to Urban's continued employment by tOSU would be reporting of facts that (a) reporting protocols were followed because this is how the reporting was handled and what was done with what was reported, and (b) these are the facts that show there is not a "culture of enabling domestic violence" in the Ohio State football program.  Snook's reporting may have caused some to question the veracity of CS, but let's face it, we are the ones questioning her veracity.  OSU fans.  I'm not "getting on Snook."  He's been valuable in trying to get a more balanced story out there and it has helped.  But what we have to keep in mind, this has nothing to do with proving CS wrong or ZS right.  It only has to do with keeping Urban employed by tOSU suggesting or proving that Tom Herman or his wife had some hand in McMurphy's story or that CS is batshit crazy and made it all up has nothing to do with Urban keeping his job as head football coach at tOSU.  We as fans like reading what Snook is reporting.  But what would be helpful would be his, or someone else, reporting on sources in the Powell Police Department or sources within the football program or athletic department that support the only two points that matter in all of this sordid affair that I outlined above and have mentioned in too many forum posts to now count.   

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Drake is the weakest President I have seen in my lifetime. Say what you will about Karen Holbrook, but lord knows she wasn't weak.  

Ed Jennings would like a word with you.  (My time horizon is probably longer, but I still might have to go with Holbrook.)   Between the two of them, sheeesh!

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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DustyRoan's picture

 Even McMurphy isn't writing about this anymore.

Maybe, but he's still trying to get scoops on Twitter, telling this (now deleted) account to email him after the guy claimed he had more dirt on OSU.  McFartface is far from being done with this.

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fenger's picture

I've heard BM5 mentioning that some Texas message board outted Zach Smith situation three days before McMurphy published his report. Does anyone have a link to the original thread? Google isn't helping...

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NHBuckeye's picture

No, but I saw this before and was wondering if there was any more to it.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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spiBuckeye's picture

If Coach is let go, will the NCAA then come and investigate "failure to control", or whatever they (NCAA) call it?

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TShell's picture

Control what? Employees life while they are at home? The police department and/or DA decision to bring charges? Those options are a lot worse, and would warrant an actual investigation.

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spiBuckeye's picture

Oops...should have put a /s...I was trying to say the NCAA is unpredictable and sometimes a deuche

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BeatUM's picture

Maybe I’m just getting old (full disclosure: I was born during Eisenhower’s first term as president) and while I am disgusted by todays media, I accept the reality that in the 21st century journalism has just about disappeared and has been replaced with a tabloid mentality. Two words that usually should not be used in the same sentence are Truth and Media.

At the same time, I do believe that our institutions of higher education and specifically tOSU should stand for something beyond money and football and political correctness.

The accusations can be boiled down to this: Urban Meyer was long aware that a member of his staff was physically abusing another person not only didn’t do anything but actively covered it up. If that accusation is true, then the outcome should be a forgone conclusion. If that accusation is not true (and I do not believe it is true), then I think tOSU has a duty to stand up for the truth and not throw somebody under the bus or even partially under the bus because it might be politically expedient.

Within the tOSU organization, tenure is sought after and granted to many individuals. The purpose of tenure is to provide protection to those individuals so that they can speak the truth without the danger of being damaged or fired because what they are saying is disliked by angry mobs or people in power. It is a value that tOSU should embrace and demonstrate to their students with words and actions.  

I am hopeful that tOSU will follow an honorable path but will not be surprised if they will follow a path of mob appeasement.

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Buck298's picture

I’m Ike 2nd term. So I’m right there with you. 

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