Lynn Bruce and Tina Carano Met with Investigative Committee Today: Per Jeff Snook

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Hovenaut's picture
I don't usually grab my news off FB, but when I do...

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Earle's picture

You should totally make that your new icon.

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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Hovenaut's picture

It's between this kid and Big Al.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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SweetDee's picture

You have to go with Big Al. He hits dingers.

Joey Bosa eats $2 steaks for breakfast.

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Zimmy07's picture

Did you see the kid who had in his LLWS info:

Has a crush on his teacher. “S’up Ms. Wilson?”

- or something like that.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Spike!!!!!

Fields of Dreams

 

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raisincanebuckeye's picture

This could only be good... Right?

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

That's nothing short of fantastic

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Earle's picture

When do they interview the Hermans?

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

This interview really snook up on me.

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HINYG8's picture

I want to hate this post, but I can't stop chuckling at it long enough to do so.

And on fourth and one... would you believe?

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SoulPatrol32's picture

Will they interview McMurphy too?

Keep fighting CalPoppy

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hehdake's picture

It might be smart for them to request an interview with Brett and ask him if he possesses further information that may be helpful to the investigation.  If he says "no", it may prevent him from releasing more surprises, or at least it gives the committee/OSU some degree of protection from further surprises being released by Brett.

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TUNBUCK89's picture

And if he says " Not now" !!! He could always use what he has later on and says he obtained it after he met with the committee.

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Extramedium's picture

Or he could say "no" and release it anyway because the committee has absolutely no power over Brett McMurphy.

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Buckeyebull64's picture

But doing that would expose him to everyone as the opportunist we know him to be. Tough to maintain your credibility when your playing gotcha with an investigation

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EnonBuck79's picture

You just can't sprinkle pixie dust on these things , Earle..

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G.'s picture

If they ask to interview me I am going to tell them about W.C. Swinney's affiliation with Al Qaeda and Saban's war crimes in Bosnia... Straight up.

G.

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Benwin's picture

“Life has two rules: #1 Never quit #2 Always remember rule #1 http://i.imgur.com/fSNzSap.gifv

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Brutus's picture

Welp, at least they are leaving no stone unturned. At this point the committee's decision will come down to who came off the least crazy.

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Extramedium's picture

Unless Tina Carano has some information about Urban Meyer following protocol or not, I have no idea why they'd want to talk to the mothers. 

Did the committee forget they are supposed to be investigating Meyer and start investigating Smith?

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BigWillRIP's picture

We got a BOGO from the committee 

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booj's picture

meyers actions need to be shaded through the lens of the accuser's credibility. responses that may be deemed insufficient for a credible accusation may actually be sufficient for a non-credible accusation.

Taking it to extremes, if I were to shoot off an email to Urban saying that kevin wilson was beating his wife, he would have no duty to follow up or take action because I'm not a credible source of inside information. Likewise, if Meyer had good reason not to believe Courtney (previous lies, alcoholism, vindictive behavior, etc), then his obligation to act is similarly lessened. The degree to which it is lessened is inversely related to the accuser's credibility.

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OSU_JD's picture

Unless Tina Carano has some information about Urban Meyer following protocol or not, I have no idea why they'd want to talk to the mothers. 

Did the committee forget they are supposed to be investigating Meyer and start investigating Smith?

Oh you guys are killing me.

The Committee never said what they were investigating.  Do you really think they hired an entire temporary staff of attorneys and private investigators at up to $1620.00 per hour just to determine whether Urban followed protocol?

They're trying to be sure that when they release the evidence that shows Courtney Smith is a vindictive liar, they're inured from defamation lawsuits (my speculation). Or even more awesome is they're going to launch a suit against her.  Maybe that's why Louis Sirkin is involved.

That report is going to be LIT as F**k. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Dear god, the continued punishment of the football team over this is bordering on criminal at this point.

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Cooper's picture

I want to get interviewed.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

It allegedly happened in 2009 not 1999, Cooper. Go back to sleep, Coach. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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NOLABuckeye's picture

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Mirin's picture

Damn, not really many people left to interview at this point. you'd think these two are the last of the last.

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TUNBUCK89's picture

How about CS and Zach's current parteners!

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BuckeyeVet's picture

What?

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Buckeyebull64's picture

Sure, why not. I figure it’s just one more step until we’re in comic book-level crazy

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B1Gspeed's picture

Looks legit. That profile has the Blue Check.

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EnonBuck79's picture

Not a real account. It doesn't have edit or update on it. Can't fool me...

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

69 LOL

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EnonBuck79's picture

I still do not see what going to the Department of Moustache Violations to get licensed has to do with keeping us waiting.?.
Must of been weird putting his name in as Ree Porter Jr...

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Extramedium's picture

I think they need to interview McMurphy's wife as to why she allows him to continue to rock a mustache in 2018.

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BucknutinNC's picture

GAME OVER! You win Elk's! LMAO!

A.E. Porter

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OSU2002Grad's picture

I mean, this makes sense if the committee is considering issuing a finding of “who the fuck knows what happened?” 

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Facemeat2's picture

Overlooked post. Deserves more upvotes 

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booj's picture

if your conclusion is to throw your hands up and say "fuck it, i don't know. you figure it out" that has to make urban seem more sympathetic, right?

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raisincanebuckeye's picture

Oh great, Jeff Snook's post is gone.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I think it's safe to now assume the committee is paying attention what is going on in the media. Wouldnt be surprised if they interview McMurphy at this stage.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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MD-PAbuck's picture

Maybe Urban and Gene talked to the parents in there own decision making in 2015 it would be logical to assume the committee to follow up with their claims. I have no clue but another way to look at it.
They are definitely trying to sort out the "he said, she said" though

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

I can't imagine my employer calling the parents of late 20's something employees to acertain if the kids are fighting.  The violation of privacy laws would be quite the lawsuit.

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MD-PAbuck's picture

Abuse is the allegation here. False, exagerrated, or imagined it is not "kids fighting." Besides that the coaches familys are all fairly close as well as the Meyers and Bruces. A call to check in on ZSs side of the story and passed on as grounds to retain ZS on staff isnt far fetched.

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ELJTSA76's picture

The allegation is not abuse, it is failure to comply with legal and contractual protocol. 

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Roman Brutus's picture

Did I miss something here? Is Mueller on the committee too?

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jamesrbrown322's picture

So, if the purpose of the committee is solely to uncover whether Urban Meyer knew specifics regarding the DV allegation, and whether or not he following the correct protocol in reporting it to the administration, what purpose does conducting these two interviews serve?

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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My Dad Is A Wolverine But I'm A Buckeye's picture

My thoughts verbatim. The only reason I can cull is that they want as much information as they can to say that this was, surprisingly, an insulated matter that Urban had no part of. Other than that, this makes no sense whatsoever.

Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North. 

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JTFor President2016's picture

Agreed. I'm starting to think their report is going to involve more than that. I thought the investigation would be solely for finding if their was a "cause for firing". And then it'd just be up to Drake on the ethics on what had been reported. 

It now seems like the investigation is ALSO looking at the validity of the reporting, which I did not think would happen. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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linepilot15's picture

My guess is they are past the proper protocol and moved on to moral issues. I mean, what else are they going to do for two weeks.

linepilot

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GareBear's picture

Contractors on a time and materials budget with a $500k ceiling? My guess is anything and everything that takes time. 

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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NOLABuckeye's picture

I'd prefer to be the one getting paid the big bucks to keep tabs on 11W for the important updates.

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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GareBear's picture

Yeah. Feels kind of silly to be following these things so closely for free when others are getting paid (very well) to do the same. 

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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Knarcisi's picture

It directly debunks the bullshit that Courtney Smith spilled. 

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Extramedium's picture

Whether or not it’s bullshit is not what they are investigating.  They are investigating whether or not Urban followed protocol in response to the accusations. 

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cecsix's picture

We really don’t know what all they’re looking at. They didn’t say, “we’re only investigating if Urban followed protocol.”  

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SuperClark13's picture

To make sure the committee uses all of the $500,000 allotment.

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huffdaddy's picture

I'm confident the law firm has a plan on that

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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cecsix's picture

Perhaps covering the school's ass in case Zach is planning a wrongful term lawsuit?  Just a wild guess, because I have no idea why they're doing it.  Not sure what this all means. 

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brutus0717's picture

It's CYA for sure, but my guess is it's less about Zach's possible lawsuit. The most he could sue them for is $340k right? They've probably already written that check. My guess is they want to have all of their bases covered to defend against the moral outrage when Urban is retained.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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BlueBayou's picture

My personal opinion is these interviews have less to do with the investigation into Urban and more to do with gathering information to refute any potential lawsuit Courtney Smith might bring against the school.  It is a lot easier to get cooperation from Courtney’s Mom now than it would be to try to get it once it is directly her daughter vs. Ohio State directly. I have a feeling she would less likely oblige in those circumstances.  This is a long game play.

This comment is not meant to imply guilt or that Urban will get fired.  I think he won’t.  I just think it is clear that Courtney and her lawyer probably have some intent into seeking a settlement at some point, so the current investigation might as well start setting up a defense just in case.

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BigWillRIP's picture

Can’t wait to hear the basis of that lawsuit

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Extramedium's picture

What sort of settlement could Courtney possibly get from OSU?  For what?  Is she saying somehow that if Urban had fired Zach Smith in 2015 it would have saved their marriage and he’d have been a model husband?

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BlueBayou's picture

Any lawsuit would definitely be a reach.  I don’t think there are any really good grounds for one, but we are such a sue happy culture, and more often than not, the establishment with deep pockets prefers to pay a little money to settle and just make it go away.

My guess, if there ends up being a lawsuit, I think they would attempt to say that the culture of the athletic department enabled an abuser.  They would then probably try to leverage the other incidents outside the football team to establish a basis that supports it as a systemic problem.  Heck, Urban stating he reported it properly and nothing happened would be seen as additionally supporting that claim.  

Not speaking to the legitimacy of any claim, I just think the investigation team would be negligent if they didn’t do any work to protect the university against any potential lawsuits that may attempt to be based on their findings.

The above is why I take these interviews as a sign the committee is properly covering all their bases.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

More documentation for the audit trail into their billable hours
 

Shandy is not beer

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jamesrbrown322's picture

"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

 "What would be the purpose of conducting these interviews?"

If either of them witnessed a physical altercation between the Smiths while the Smiths were on OSU property? Or in the company of recruits, players, or staff members?

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RollRedRoll's picture

I am new here and was trying not to post until this situation was resolved. This is getting ridiculous now, can someone please post the grandpa Simpson gif where he goes in and out of the door as that seems appropriate here.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I'm here to help.

We're all in this together.

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RollRedRoll's picture

I owe you an upvote when I have the ability. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I'm here to help.

Only things MODs help with are themselves to more helmet stickers

Shandy is not beer

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Thanks, Quad! That just nabbed me a few more. It’s like playing the ‘Hi, Bob’ drinking game. We each have specific code words/phrases assigned, and when someone in the commentariat uses them we get extra helmet stickers. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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EZE4TD's picture

Wow, RRR, that was some service you got. Now ask someone to post the GIF of Urban picking up the 2018 national championship trophy, and when the ESPN guys try to interview him, he just says "kiss my ass" and walks away. 

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RollRedRoll's picture

I would but I don’t want that Cincy  guy to chew me out for picking on ESPN

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NOLABuckeye's picture

You catch on quick RRR.

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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RollRedRoll's picture

Well I may not be a Mensa member, but I was born and raised in Ohio.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

New here, huh?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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RollRedRoll's picture

Yes but I have enjoyed the site from afar for awhile. 

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Fatpants's picture

Long time lurker just created an account. Calls out Cincy for his defense of espn. Lulz 

PG <3 PG

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EnonBuck79's picture

What are your thoughts on One Direction?
Title IX? Feeding wolves peanut butter sandwiches?

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buckzilla1's picture

Getting chewed out for nothing......Its funny cause its true..

Hey Cancer! This ass kicking is brought to you by the Sultan of the sythe. Give it hell CalPoppy.

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CincyOSU's picture

I would but I don’t want that Cincy  guy to chew me out for picking on ESPN

I don't give a morning duece if you hate ESPN. If you think ESPN hates OSU, that's another issue. Some of you don't understand that I can hate ESPN too(have you EVER actually seen me defend them?), yet still think it's utterly absurd to think they hate us.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Please don’t rise to the bait. He’s obviously a reboot who knows way more about the commentariat than your average lurker. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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RollRedRoll's picture

Navy I can assure you that I am not a reboot. I probably stepped where I shouldn’t have with that comment, it was actually meant in good fun. I have enjoyed reading the articles on the site for awhile and probably should have joined awhile back. It took me awhile to join because they thought from my username I was a bama troll. When Jason finally got ahold of me and realized I was from Steubenville my username made sense. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

And perhaps I overstepped my bounds as a Mod, Red. We’ve had a lot of “new” users appear lately, and it’s been keeping us busy. 

Welcome to the site, and I hope it’s a pleasant experience. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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RollRedRoll's picture

I understand, that’s why I really wanted to wait until this whole sad situation was resolved and I could just join in on a normal football related article. I just saw this article and figured the grandpa Simpson gif was fitting. 

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Jumar's picture

We’ve had a lot of “new” users appear lately, and it’s been keeping us busy. 

Did Bassdropper and 710 get the boot again?

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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HandsOfSweed's picture

Wow. I'm amazed at how someone can be an OSU football fan, yet not get that "Roll Red Roll" is a Steubenville staple. You don't have to be from the Valley to know that one. It's almost like Steubby has been good as hell at football for 125 years or something. Who knew? LOL.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

But are you a robot? I noticed you didn't check that box at the bottom.

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HairyLegPits's picture

I think i may be a reboot too. How can I tell if this is happening to me?

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raisincanebuckeye's picture

This may require a committee to look into your HairyLegPits.

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HairyLegPits's picture

Sounds expensive.

In all seriousness, I was taking a drink of Oktoberfest while reading your reply. Needless to say I'm now wiping it out of my beard. Good laugh

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raisincanebuckeye's picture

Depends.

I did see your first response and I am still laughing.

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HairyLegPits's picture

Stealth editing! Learned it from Uncle Brett. He says not to worry about it because ESPN won't report on it unless it makes OSU look bad.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I don't give a morning duece if you hate ESPN

What about an afternoon deuce?

Shandy is not beer

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Buckeyebull64's picture

Those are smaller, he might be able to spare one of those

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SweetDee's picture

Like a dog whistle. So fascinating!

Joey Bosa eats $2 steaks for breakfast.

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JTownBuckeye's picture

Years ago there was a guy on this site who would always post and argue when jiggly pics were posted back when you could post such things. It was as predictable as the sun coming up each day. The way you come in every single time anyone posts negatively about ESPN is just as predictable and reminds me of him. You respond to the baiting, which then always leads to more baiting and a reaction.

You make a lot of valid points about ESPN but the reality is there are douches at ESPN (and other entities) who bash OSU simply because we're TOSU, non SEC, and it gets them clicks and views. And here, you've become viewed as the champion of ESPN and you're never ever going to win that argument about ESPN on this site no matter how valid your argument may be. 

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raisincanebuckeye's picture

They have become OSPN

Opinion and Sports Programming Network

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HairyLegPits's picture

I've always thought that ESPN covered OSU with a definite bias... Though that was common knowledge. Are you saying that someone defends ESPN? Smh

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johnblairgobucks's picture

STEENSN. Dude wanted to dictate f8ghts orum policy, so he could read 11W at work. Never thought he was wrong for not working at work, just wanted all females in posted pictures to have every inch of their body covered by clothing.
He and Cajun had some epic back and forths

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BuckiNYC's picture

Bring back Cajun. And esp the jiggly j/gifs  still think its the single handed stupidest move this site has made  

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

And esp the jiggly j/gifs  still think its the single handed stupidest move this site has made  

Blame Google analytics and advertising dollars, not the site. 

If you want jiggly gifs go to the Chive. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Steensn was his name. Another guy, Waykracken (sp?), went on a mission of Biblical proportions to try to get the staff to offer Ryan Timmons a scholly.

11W: a place for crusaders.

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Knarcisi's picture

Good, actually. From everything we have heard, even her own mother thinks she is deranged. That should speak volumes and put the nail in this thing. 

He gets reinstated Friday, late afternoon. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

They still need to interview Coach Meyer and complete their report, which isn’t due until Sunday IINM.

My guess is they’ll give the report to the University at the last possible date, and we won’t see anything from the administration until a day or two after, minimum. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Knarcisi's picture

Do we know that Meyer hasn’t a,ready been interviewed?

And do we know it’s a hard 14 days?  I thought they said it would be “within” 14 days. 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I’m guessing that Coach Meyer will be the last one interviewed. Get all the stories, choose the one that seems to line up best with all the statements, then interview the coach to hear his version of the truth and see if it matches. 

As for the 14 days, don’t give a committee and deadline and expect them to beat it. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Extramedium's picture

They gave themselves the deadline

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NavyBuck64's picture

They just need to make sure that Meyer interview doesn't occur on campus. /s

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

When does Alex Anzalone get involved with this? That kid loved him some drama.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

After that, better get Ray Small' s account of events

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DaiTheFlu's picture

If there was a rigged raffle involved in this scandal, so help me God.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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blu.fan's picture

They've been talking to most of the key people. Curious: do they interview Meyer? Shelley? Gene Smith? Powell police department? Anyone else around the team? Are there lesser known people who were around them? Neighbors? It would make sense for them to ask questions, listen, and then compare everything said by everyone to see where things match up, and where there are inconsistencies.

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huffdaddy's picture

I bet most of those interviews already happened

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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BigWillRIP's picture

How do you think the Powell PD interview went?  Something like, "you can tell Ohio State to fuck off, we don't need to talk to them" would be my guess

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Daddypete's picture

It certainly is fair to say that no-one was legally bound to co-operate with this committee and it is interesting to me that (as far as we can tell from here) pretty much everyone has co-operated. When this started, I was sure ZS and CS would not co-operate as it may impinge on any upcoming legal battles they may have on the horizon...but of course that is why I didn't go to Law School...what the hell do I know! Hope this is over shortly, Urban is rightly re-instated and as they say in Herefordshire..."Release the Hounds..." Go Bucks. 

"Stand and Deliver!"

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HairyLegPits's picture

Hell, if they're going to do all that they might as well bring in a polygraph expert and administer a lie detector test on everyone too... That should clear things up

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FootstepsFalco's picture

Zach can't talk Thai.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Curious to know what any attorneys on here think of this. Could be to find out what Urban knew which could be damaging. Lynn Bruce is Earle's daughter afterall. Could be to discredit CS. Looks bad for anyone if your own mother goes against you. Could be just to have proof that the whole situation is a complete clusterfuck so they have an out with the media when they release their findings.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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huffdaddy's picture

I am a reformed lawyer (i.e. Moved on to other things but used to practice and in a university setting).

My guess is that this is a follow up to something they were told by either/both Zach and Courtney and to test their veracity.

your reaction is the right one: it could be they were told "Urban was told X" by one of the moms and they are testing it. Or it could be they believe the Courtney story is murky and they are testing that and getting additional evidence that the underlying story is murky. 

But I doubt they view the moms as important in their own right - they are almost certainly either buttressing or refuting testimony by the principle actors.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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huffdaddy's picture

I'd just add that my instinct is that this is good for Urban. No university is going to attack an alleged victim of DV, but if the general story is that Urban learned about the police actions, he reported it, Gene checked with the police and they said there was nothing there.... in this climate it is useful to have other people also say "there was nothing there."

which would lead OSU to say, there was no obligation to fire Zach given the lack of evidence.

i do think they will suspend Urban and say: bad judgment to hire him in 2012 and bad judgment to renew his contract post 2015. But that's my guess based on very little.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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HairyLegPits's picture

I tend to agree with everything except the suspension part. I will say that I'm 100% certain that Zach was kept on due to his recruiting prowess. I think it had little to do with who he's related to. I'd like to see a list of signees that had Zach Smith as the primary recruiter. Betting it is a damn impressive list

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RBloodworth's picture

Oh, for fuck's sake!  Either the incident was properly reported or it wasn't!  If the former, get Urban back with his team now!  If the latter, then we have an issue.  This is STUPID.  Why are we bothering getting into the morass of this soap opera?  What a waste of time and money.

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EZE4TD's picture

Speaking of money, I hope it turns out that they find McMurphy to have acted recklessly and deliberately in his poor reporting, and he gets slapped with defamation suits from all sides.  

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Triv's picture

I think the only one at risk for a defamation lawsuit is CS, unless she comes out and says McMurphy is reporting things that I never said or gave him. Brett can always just say he reported the information he was given by Courtney

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

OSU is not going to sue her, but it would be hilarious if Zach did.  He could file against her and the Hermans, that's the route I would take if I were innocent.

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Triv's picture

Zach has a legitimate case (he lost his job and likely will never work as a coach again), and it wouldn't shock me to see him sue if he truly believes he is innocent. May have already informed of his intent to, seeing as CS has hired a first amendment lawyer/criminal defense lawyer recently.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

So essentially Zach would be suing Courtney to pay him his own money?  Plot twist.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Winning that lawsuit could also give him ammo to get full custody as well.

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HairyLegPits's picture

It's ok, Courtney can just ask Tom for the money.

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blu.fan's picture

Zach has a legitimate case

With the 2013 OVI, and his reported behavior around the team, it would seem there are more than legitimate reasons for Urban to let him go. Honestly, imhe, it would have been better if Meyer had released him long before his hand was forced.

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buckeyenut74's picture

Meyer didn’t know about the 2013 ovi

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Meyer didn’t know about the 2013 ovi

Relevance? 

The fact that Smith never reported it to his boss and the university is actually grounds for dismissal under his contract. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Extramedium's picture

It’s relevant because if he didn’t know about it, it means he didn’t know it was kept from him, which means he couldn’t have let Smith go for that reason.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Suing Courtney Smith would do absolutely nothing for Zach - like squeezing blood from a turnip. And he would need a whole lot more than Snook’s Facebook post to try to get anything from the Hermans. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

If he won a defamation case against her, the stigma that he's a Wife Beater becomes way less of an issue when looking for a job.  Right now he's almost unemployable at the D1 level, if he can convince a jury that she made that up to harm him that will change.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Everyone has seen this play out in the media already. No one will see the defamation case or it’s results. It’s like the OJ Simpson civil trial. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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kmp10's picture

Suing Courtney Smith would do absolutely nothing for Zach

It's not likely to yield anything monetarily, but the spite factor would be huge for me... I'm vindictive enough to cut off my nose to spite my face. Yes, it's irrational, but it's difficult to explain the satisfaction of spite to someone who isn't spiteful. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I believe you. Personally, I’m fond of my nose. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Buckeyebull64's picture

The investigative team would have to make that statement for it to go any further than that

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Seattle Linga's picture

Let's hope this is painless

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I’ve said it before, but I think this is just their way of gathering every possible piece of information from he sources themselves, so mcmudbutt cant drop anything else after they reinstate Urban.  

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buckeyenut74's picture

Wrap the darn thing up already. 

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parabuckeye's picture

I heard that a few times in my life. Didn't listen twice and now have two kids.

Let Meatchicken Beat Meatchicken!!!!

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Zeke85's picture

It's not on his page anymore

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raisincanebuckeye's picture

I made a comment on that a bit ago.

I edited the post to reflect that.

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raisincanebuckeye's picture

It's back up. Reporting they "met" today.

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bd2999's picture

I am surprised about this one. I take that back, very surprised about this one. This has gone a fair bit over did this get reported and whatever else. I would have figured that would have taken little time to figure out and establish.

Not sure what is happening here unless multiple things led them to have to go to the sources themselves and see what is happening. And then get confused as crap.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Remember when ESPN ran stories asking why OSU had not interviewed Courtney Smith or Zach Smith for its investigation like two days into its investigation?

Well, when is ESPN going to interview Lynn Bruce and Tina Carano for its "investigation?"

WELLL?????? We're waiting!!

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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CincyOSU's picture

You wonder why I stay at? Good God, man. WHY WHY WHY is it always "ESPN" when the correct phrasing should be the entire freaking sports media? This is classic confirmation bias...all you're doing is looking to see what ESPN is saying while staying oblivious to the fact every other outlet is doing the exact same thing.

+1 for the gif

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Why do you really care what other people on this site think about ESPN? I mean, nobody knows who you are in real life, so you are anonymous, here.
What are you trying to accomplish?

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CincyOSU's picture

Why do you really care what other people on this site think about ESPN? I mean, nobody knows who you are in real life, so you are anonymous, here.
What are you trying to accomplish?

1) I don't care if you hate ESPN. I don't like them either and probably watch them less than all those who say they never watch(yet always know when the publish articles hating on us). Have you ever, one time, seen me defend their journalistic integrity? As I said earlier, I can hate them just as much as you, yet still think it's absurd to think they want to destroy us.

2) It's a lazy way to deflect from information you don't like

3) It makes us look crazy, especially when ESPN, in this case, isn't doing anything different than any other sports outlet. I work with a lot of OSU fans and a lot of people who hate OSU. The people who hate OSU think ESPN is protecting us(and yes, I think they are just as crazy) and hoping that Meyer is reinstated.

If others can express their "ESPN hates us" opinions, I have every right to counter those opinions.

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NOLABuckeye's picture

What about ESPN prefers other schools/conferences over us?

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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CincyOSU's picture

What about ESPN prefers other schools/conferences over us?

I think you can make an argument that Bama is #1 in terms of preference at ESPN. But #2, contrary to what many on hear might think, has got to be OSU. Why? MONEY. OSU is a cash cow and brings in guaranteed ratings which is ultimately how a network like ESPN measures it's success. Destroying OSU, as some believe they want to do, would hurt ESPN way more than it would help them.

Same can be said for conferences. It's pretty obvious the SEC is #1 in the CFB hierarchy, but, the B1G is likely #2 simply because of the national following(ratings) that they bring to the table. Look no further than the fact ESPN is paying the B1G more money annually than any other conference(over the next 6 years) for only half the TV rights.

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Vabuck213's picture

This is the point to hammer home. In almost any massive corporate situation, money and the bottom line is the motivation. I didnt want to wade into this whole espn battle going on right now but in this point I think Cincy is right. The bottom line is OSU is good for ESPN's business and to think that the talking heads are given an agenda from the higher ups to take down OSU is pretty naive and foolish. Create controversy and clicks? Yea, maybe, but that's the nature of any online reporting these days. Not just sports reporting, all reporting. Ad dollars are driven by clicks and page impressions. OSU being in the news gives them lots of both.

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brutus0717's picture

Because they are the self-proclaimed Worldwide Leader. And for me it's not just about OSU. I don't watch them at all except for live sports, but a couple friends still do. And from everything I hear, ESPiN is no longer in the business of reporting the news, they seem to be in the business of trying to make the news.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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CincyOSU's picture

Because they are the self-proclaimed Worldwide Leader. And for me it's not just about OSU. I don't watch them at all except for live sports, but a couple friends still do. And from everything I hear, ESPiN is no longer in the business of reporting the news, they seem to be in the business of trying to make the news.

That's a completely different argument though. You can hate ESPN and still accept the fact they have no reason whatsoever to "hate" OSU or the B1G.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Brett McMurphy's tweeted that ESPN hates Ohio State

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InUrbanWeTrust34's picture

"You can hate ESPN and still accept the fact they have no reason whatsoever to "hate" OSU or the B1G."

They have millions of reasons to push other conference's agendas though... Not that they solely hate us, but a weaker Big Ten does increase the likelihood of another power 5 being stronger... Just stating the obvious here on this one. C'mon man at least acknowledge the B1G Conference isn't the one keeping the lights on in Bristol.

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CincyOSU's picture

C'mon man at least acknowledge the B1G Conference isn't the one keeping the lights on in Bristol.

I have no problem with that.

ESPN CFB Preference

1) SEC

2) B1G

3) ACC

Everyone else

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

In a perfect sports media world (ESPN, Fox, whomever), Notre Dame would be #1. Their loyalty to the ACC is like a weird Hollywood marriage. 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but ESPN has the most vested in college football of any media group, because it televises most of the games.  ESPN's only real threat is BTN/FOX as it continues to take games from ESPN including OSU/TSUN. 

ESPN's biggest assets regarding NCAA football are the SEC and the ACC, as the B1G is becoming more of a liability as it signs more games to FOX/BTN.  Maybe look up what a SWOT analysis is, then you won't be so oblivious to the landscape of college football programming.

As to why others haven't covered the other side, -not many reporters or editors will go against the company line, as ESPN dictates how others in the profession ultimately view resumes.  Jeff Snook can attest to that as he is being called a shmuck and a quack for just reporting nothing but facts. 

Also, it's likely the BTN and FOX are now taking a wait and see approach. 

Either way, to deny that ESPN is out for the B1G conference is delusional in 2018.  Most people saw this in 2011.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I’ll side with Cincy on this one. What possible business model would profitable through gunning for one conference. 

ESPN is in the business of generating clicks and viewers. Gunning for the B1G is not going to increase more SEC viewers than it would drive away B1G viewers. It doesn’t make sense. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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CincyOSU's picture

ESPN is in the business of generating clicks and viewers. Gunning for the B1G is not going to increase more SEC viewers than it would drive away B1G viewers. It doesn’t make sense. 

Exactly. When you think with logic, rather than knee jerk emotion, it's pretty clear.

People need to face the fact the part of being a fan of a program like OSU means we are going to get more media attention when things don't go our way.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Business is much more sophisticated than generating clicks and viewers.  There are infinite other factors that come into business strategy at the corporate level.  One simple strategy is to get a decrease in clicks and viewers for the competition. 

So when you say, "gunning for the B1G is not going to increase more SEC viewers than it would drive away B1G viewers. It doesn't make sense."  You're right that doesn't make sense.  What makes sense is ESPN gunning for the B1G to decrease B1G viewers, with the intention of bleeding the competition (the BTN/FOX.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing_warfare_strategies 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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CincyOSU's picture

FACE PALM.

So, ESPN is looking to decrease B1G viewers by investing HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS into the league for only HALF of the TV rights. Why not just let Fox have all the rights, and then wage an all out war while saving themselves gobs of money? Your ESPN hate is blinding you to common business sense.

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bd2999's picture

Not sure that makes sense to me. Why would you piss off a bigger fanbase in the hopes of pulling in fans of other conferences from competitors. How would that be worth it?

Business can be very sophisticated but the end goal is to make money. That means eyes watching, ears hearing, hands clicking and so on. Ad revenue is what they are after. Content drives that.

I do not like ESPN much but this view makes no sense to me. Fans of the SEC, ACC or whatever are not going to swoop in because one sports network is being mean to another. Given most networks are reporting a similar way, it is pretty much a wash.

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CincyOSU's picture

ESPN's biggest assets regarding NCAA football are the SEC and the ACC, as the B1G is becoming more of a liability as it signs more games to FOX/BTN.

You're talking about TV contracts. OK, well, are you aware that ESPN is paying the B1G MORE money than any other conference, including the SEC and the ACC, over the next 6 years for only HALF of the TV rights? The B1G is cash cow that only the SEC can touch in terms of TV viewers, which is what ESPN cares about. The B1G is an ASSET to ESPN, plain and simple. You don't invest hundreds of millions of dollars into a business(the B1G) to then turn around and try to destroy that business's top brand(OSU). If they really wanted to hurt the B1G, they could have saved themselves a lot of money and went another route.

As to why others haven't covered the other side, -not many reporters or editors will go against the company line, as ESPN dictates how others in the profession ultimately view resumes.  Jeff Snook can attest to that as he is being called a shmuck and a quack for just reporting nothing but facts. 

So, now you're claiming ESPN is influencing writers WHO DON'T EVEN WORK for them? Come on dude, that's diving into tin foil hat territory.

Also, it's likely the BTN and FOX are now taking a wait and see approach. 

You've said this several times, but you must be oblivious to, or just plain ignoring, that BOTH the BTN and Fox have been just as critical as anything you've seen on ESPN.

And you still haven't answered the question. Why are you only listening to what ESPN says when the FACT is that every other sports outlet has said the exact same thing, and in most cases, worse than anything ESPN has said.

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ShodanBuckeye's picture

I understand your logic as it pertains to ESPN's investment, and them having a vested interest in the B1G. But there is no denying the fact that many of their personalities take every opportunity they get to slight Ohio State. They do it with the intent to cause doubt in the mind of anyone who may be listening, so that the SEC teams get more consideration for rankings than OSU does. They love the B1G sooooo much, that they didn't see fit to want any team in the playoff? Sure they do. They might want any B1G team in a playoff, except for OSU. OSU is a real threat to knock the SEC off of their ivory tower, and they know it; and that is because of Urban. That was not the case with the teams that Tressel put out there; we all saw that narrative unfold - we could not match with the SEC teams. Now, we do match up. Now, we are a real threat and they know it. These on-air idiots are full of praise for MeekChicken, some other teams to a lesser extent, because they are not a threat.

Time and change does surely show...

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CincyOSU's picture

They do it with the intent to cause doubt in the mind of anyone who may be listening, so that the SEC teams get more consideration for rankings than OSU does.

ESPN's internal Power Rankings have MORE B1G schools than SEC school in the top 15. That logic doesn't flow.

They might want any B1G team in a playoff, except for OSU

That, wow. That makes absolutely ZERO sense. If anything, OSU is the one school they WOULD want in the playoff as they would bring in more ratings than any other B1G school.

OSU is a real threat to knock the SEC off of their ivory tower, and they know it; and that is because of Urban.

The SEC has already been knocked off their tower, hell some of ESPN weekly conference rankings last year had the B1G above the SEC.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

You're talking about TV contracts. OK, well, are you aware that ESPN is paying the B1G MORE money than any other conference, including the SEC and the ACC, over the next 6 years for only HALF of the TV rights? The B1G is cash cow that only the SEC can touch in terms of TV viewers, which is what ESPN cares about. The B1G is an ASSET to ESPN, plain and simple. You don't invest hundreds of millions of dollars into a business(the B1G) to then turn around and try to destroy that business's top brand(OSU). If they really wanted to hurt the B1G, they could have saved themselves a lot of money and went another route.

Again, it is not plain and simple.  The ACC is only contracted with ESPN.  The SEC is contracted with ESPN and CBS, but CBS is not a sports network that depends on college football.  It generates most of it's revenue from programing like CSI, Survivor, late night talk shows, NFL games, with a percent of SEC games.  CBS is not hoping to televise every SEC game as the BTN is a threat to televise every B1G game.  The BTN cannot continue to grow with women's gymnastics and Campus Eats.  It will continue to grow as it adds more B1G football games as it has every year since the beginning.

So, now you're claiming ESPN is influencing writers WHO DON'T EVEN WORK for them? Come on dude, that's diving into tin foil hat territory.

Not sure what planet you are from, but when these reporters interview for other jobs, what do you think they list on their resumes? 

You've said this several times, but you must be oblivious to, or just plain ignoring, that BOTH the BTN and Fox have been just as critical as anything you've seen on ESPN.

That's your subjective opinion

And you still haven't answered the question. Why are you only listening to what ESPN says when the FACT is that every other sports outlet has said the exact same thing, and in most cases, worse than anything ESPN has said.

I never claimed that I only listen to what ESPN says, so I can't give you an intelligent answer to a stupid question. 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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CincyOSU's picture

Dude. You are trying WAY too hard with some of this pretzel logic. Bottom line, their are easier, more financially responsible ways to destroy the B1G(it makes me laugh you can’t understand this would also hurt ESPN) than investing a small fortune, when you’re already on thin ice financially. 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

"Dude" ESPN's goal is to take the biggest share of the market pie.

In every industry, whether college football programming, manufacturing, hospitality, or fast food, in each market, the total of all sales equals 100% of the market or pie.  ESPN controlled at one time around 75% of the NCAA football market pie.  That number has since decreased, thanks to the BTN/FOX.

So since you're not using pretzel logic, what are these "more financially responsible ways to destroy the B1G?"  What?? Why would ESPN want to do that?  Tinfoil hat!  lol

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CincyOSU's picture

In every industry, whether college football programming, manufacturing, hospitality, or fast food, in each market, the total of all sales equals 100% of the market or pie.  ESPN controlled at one time around 75% of the NCAA football market pie.  That number has since decreased, thanks to the BTN/FOX.

Market share means jack shit to an entity like ESPN, ratings and page clicks are what matter. 100% market share of 1 million is less than 75% market share of 2 million...that's just a useless measure in this situation.

So since you're not using pretzel logic, what are these "more financially responsible ways to destroy the B1G?

Uhh, it's pretty simple. Don't invest hundred of millions of dollars on a TV contract with a league they want to "destroy". Save yourself the money and wage an all out war with Fox. But they didn't do that because alienating/destroying the league with the largest fanbase in college football would be one of the dumbest moves in the history of business. In no way whatsoever does that help ESPN.

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

This will show as a reply to Cincy but it is really directed to everyone on this site who has an unhealthy fixation on ESPN one way or the other: WHOOOOOOOOOO CAAAAAAAAAAAAAARES

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Who cares?

Clearly all these people complaining about ESPN’s bias against OSU.

For as much as everyone seems to hate ESPN, they sure do care an awful lot about ESPN’s opinion about their favorite football team. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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johnblairgobucks's picture

Damn, for not liking ESPN, as you say, you sure are willing to go to battle for them.
It comes across as you feel that people can't have their own opinion, and it really bothers you that they aren't intelligent enough to see things your way.
If you'd let it roll, and just let people say, you wouldn't get blowback, or called out....but maybe you are after that.
Anyways, Goody Day and Go Bucks.

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CincyOSU's picture

Damn, for not liking ESPN, as you say, you sure are willing to go to battle for them.

Again, there's a difference.

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Buckeyebull64's picture

ESPN styles themselves as the “leader” in sports media, and has the clout and size to back it up. That’s why they get the heat. If say FS1 ever becomes the go to, that’s who’s gonna catch the arrows. We expect a different standard from the leader. 

I don’t tend to hate on ESPN much beyond a zinger or two, but I do notice an anti-osu slant, which I refuse to call an agenda. And I feel that I’m backed up ESPN’s standard narrative across time and sports.   For example: ESPN LOVES the front runner. Last decade that was Miami, then USC, now it’s Bama. Osu, on the other hand, is never THE front runner, but close enough to be cast as a villain to the front runner. And that happens in other sports too. My chosen sport last decade, other than cub, was nascar. ESPN loved them some Jimmie Johnson, and cast other front runners around him as villians. Those drivers got a edgier, tougher slant in their reporting than did Jimmie Johnson, same with those teams cast as villians to bama. 

Thats also why they aren’t as hard on Saban fo being anti-media as they might otherwise be

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goodlifesean's picture

Has anyone read the shit articles from the USA Today. Herby, Reece, Dan Murphy, and a couple others that slip my mind have at least helped calm the chaos if not do interviews that helped Ohio State. Yes they have Finebaum, but even some Bama fans hate finebaum for being an idiot

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

I think the committee is playing six degrees of Urban Meyer.

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parabuckeye's picture

I bet he likes six degrees better than fifty shades

Let Meatchicken Beat Meatchicken!!!!

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kmp10's picture

Ironic... the moms and what they have to say is getting 'too far into the weeds', in Bruce Hooley's opinion, to garner discussion on his radio show, and a forum thread two nights ago on this very site discussing Courtney's credibility based on her own mother's interview with Snook was deleted (as was a forum thread today that had over 100 posts), but the $1,620.00 per hour committee clearly finds Courtney's credibility, or lack thereof, to be important. Anyone saying Courtney's trustworthiness is beside the point, too peripheral, or not central enough to the topic at hand so they're going to ignore it is being ridiculous. The accusers credibility should ALWAYS be an integral part of any investigation or debate about the investigation. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Hooley is a moron who lives in a house completely made of glass, I really hope someone beats the shit out of that guy.

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Tater_Schroeder's picture

Maybe later we can get together and you can tell us how you really feel. :)

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

a forum thread two nights ago on this very site discussing Courtney's credibility based on her own mother's interview with Snook was deleted (as was a forum thread today that had over 100 posts)

There is a difference between a forum post being deleted and being voted off the board by the commentatriat.  If I'm not mistaken, both of the aforementioned threads were voted down by the commentariat. 

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kmp10's picture

Then I stand corrected, 3M. Today's post had some upvotes and some DVs, but I did not realize that forum opening posts were automatically removed once they reached a specific number of DVs. I thought, like the posts within the thread, they would still be available to read no matter the number of down votes. My mistake.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

No worries.  It's a method to let the commentariat kill shit posts.  My guess is that forum post voting has increased because of the overwhelming volume of "new" threads started on the subject.

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Extramedium's picture

The point is she’s accused Zach.  She’s not accusing Urban.  The committee is investigating Urban, not Zach.  She is not “the accuser” in this case.

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EPBUCKS's picture

If they are interviewing these two that is good sign for Meyer staying to me.  My fear once they talked to CS was that CS would go in there and tell all of these stories about what ZS was doing to her and that Urban and Shelly knew and did nothing to help her similar to what she said in her interview with Stadium.  If ZS and her mother and mother in law give them evidence that this was a very messy domestic situation and Urban and Gene reported what they knew properly it will allow them to keep Urban and say he did what he was supposed to do in a difficult domestic situation that the school and football program is not responsible for fixing.

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PRO8's picture

Well stated and logical...

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Tater_Schroeder's picture

Oh? You need yourself an upvote? Here ya go.

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I&#039;m Ron Burgundy's picture

Yeah my guess is CS probably crumbled at least a little bit if they asked any pointed questions of her, which I would expect they would.  Not quite the same as the one way "interview" she put out initially.

It all comes back to the quote ZS's attorney put out on day one of this mess.  Something along the lines of we will have our day in court, with Zach and Courtney under oath (emphasis on that), and the Powell PD to testify and I think a lot of people will be surprised to hear the facts comes out.

Unless there is just some bombshell of wrongdoing on Urban's part that the committee has uncovered, I still expect a reinstatement, and a reasonable amount of evidence and backing as to why that is the right thing to do.  The media and the haters won't be satisfied of course, but in the back of their minds it will at least occur to them that they might have jumped the gun in their judgments.  Then come Sept 14th when surely there will be media following the ZS-CS court proceedings, even more will come out that puts this thing to bed.

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brutus0717's picture

"but in the back of their minds it will at least occur to them that they might have jumped the gun in their judgments"

I agree with everything you said except this. I don't believe that most of the people in this great country have the common sense or the emotional maturity required for this to happen.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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I&#039;m Ron Burgundy's picture

This is probably true, and it all comes to down to why for me.  Of course we can't really know what goes on in the minds of anyone. Does the average person who is "outraged" by this event give even the slightest crap about CS and her alleged abuse?  No, they don't.  They only care to see Meyer and by extension OSU damaged for it, completely regardless of facts or whatever it is they are supposed to be outraged about.

Can't wait to see all the comments throughout the season and inevitable playoff discussion that will refer to this team as "crooked" and a bunch of "cheaters".  Like anything that happened in the CS-ZS case has anything to do with the kids on the field or some competitive advantage was gained.  But we live in a world of idiots, and sooner we all (and hopefully the OSU BoT and Drake) accept that, and there is no outcome in this that going to appease everyone, the better off we will be.

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

OSU meets Jersey Shore. Gym. Tan. Urban Investigation. Lord help us! 

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Rizzoni's picture

On it's surface, this move seems unnecessary, but I think it is more about establishing credibility. The committee does not want to announce its findings to only get undercut by the next tweet by McMurphy. I would not be surprised if McMurphy is sitting on a couple of sound bites from Courtney's mom that he can use to discredit committee's findings. Thus, directly talking to Courtney's mother is the right move in my opinion.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Exactly...then they can say we have 1st hand testimony from all of the parties involved...so any further texts/tweets that are released are either fake, or already discussed.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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bucksandsurfing's picture

By getting this far into the weeds, it appears the investigation is attempting to do the work of a police department.   The University doesn't trust the Powell police to do their jobs.  What a travesty, and a total shit show. University should be ashamed.  

Ohio State has completely mishandled this from day one.  

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

Right. This investigation should be about Urban and the athletic department not necessarily Zach Smith and definitely not a marriage court. It is teetering on reality show instead of did Urban do his duties, was he close, what were the short comings, did he mishandle this or totally break protocol. When diving this deep they are going beyond simply Urban and are hovering too close to acting like a real court, arbitrator or police investigation. 

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RBloodworth's picture

Even if the Powell PD screwed up royally with the way they handled this case, that should not be Ohio State's concern.  The only exception here is if someone from OSU directed the Powell PD to cover this up, at which point Urban's job status should be the least of our concerns (that's death penalty territory).  Ohio State does not have the legal authority to prosecute Zach Smith for crimes he may or may not have committed in his personal life off campus;  it only had the authority to fire him, which already happened.

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PsyBuck's picture

I have a much different take on this. At this point it would appear the committee is working on providing OSU some insulation and damage control after what appears to be an inevitable Urban reinstatement. Some quick bullet points (just my opinion mostly for what it's worth)

1. If protocol wasn't followed and there was any evidence Urban withheld information in order to protect zach, I think he'd already be gone.

2. If 1 is true, and there are no indicators that Urban covered up anything, then the best outcome for the program and for the university is to provide as much of a buffer between them and accusations of DV enabling from the media.

3. The only way they can come out and say confidently and unequivocally that Urban did nothing wrong and neither did OSU, is to do a thorough investigation of the pertinent events in question.

4. If the committee only talked to Urban, Gene and any school officials that may have been involved in the reporting chain, it gives the media a LOT of room for inference and innuendo. By talking to ANYONE with insight, it gives the pending report more gravitas and also has the benefit of pre-empting any further nonsense from Brett McEditMyStory and Courtney.

5. Ohio State COULD have fired Urban last Thursday just based on the one sided reports and media pressure. But since they thankfully did not, the length and depth of this investigation was necessary to imply the university takes this seriously, especially in light of the other current OSU athletic scandals.

OSU and this investigative committee are playing for the long term in this. If their only concern was Urban Meyer's fate they would have already finished. Just take a deep breath and circle this upcoming Monday or so and rest easy knowing that most indicators point to Urban being back. What's more is that it looks like the university MAY also be preparing to fight back a little against the lynch mob media, and that wouod certainly be refreshing, but the ground work needs to be done now for it to be successful.

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brutus0717's picture

I think this is one of the best posts I've seen on this subject. They are absolutely protecting themselves from both the court of public opinion and any future nonsense once they reinstate Urban. No more CS accusations, no accusation from the lynch mob that they ignored/covered up domestic abuse. And I can wait a little longer for them to get their ducks in a row if we're both right.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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PsyBuck's picture

I sure hope I we are both right. I keep hearing a lot about this president Drake guy. Everyone is saying he's a social justice warrior and a coward etc etc. I don't know where they are getting the info from. I don't have any evidence to support or dispute them. Maybe someone has some insight? To me he is the sole wild card here outside of information coming out that NOBODY has uncovered to this point. I hope the rumors about him are just rumors and have no teeth. Would be such a punch to the gut if after all this and the committee recommending urban is reinstated if one jackass with a power trip deems himself more important than the truth and wants to make headlines and decides to fire UM. It would of course backfire but what can I say? There are some pretty stupid humans out there.

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Buck298's picture

I think Drake stumbled at first getting into the job, but has been fairly solid since. In a move that I didn't expect given his reputation for openness to current social issues, he told the Black Lives Matter group that occupied the administration building during a protest to get out or face expulsion from the school. He let them know that he was the guy running the agenda for the university, not them. 

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PsyBuck's picture

Well that's at least a little encouraging. He'd have to be a pretty big bag'o'crap if the committee comes to him and says "hey urban didn't do a single thing wrong. Heck, we're not even sure Zach Smith did anything wrong. We recommend full reinstatement". And Drake says "Welllllll about that" while he opens up a briefcase containing $38 million and walking papers....

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coolhand850x's picture

That reminded me of OSU's greatest living fan. I guess he is still alive. I don' t know anymore. If he was around, he could settle this thing once and for all. It MAY be time to bring in mark may. 

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analyticalguy's picture

When are they going to interview Urban's mom? and Shelley's mom? and Gene Smith's mom? And what about their dads?

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Flying Swamp Rat's picture

I don't want to joke about this but I'm waiting on the Mystery Machine to pull up at the Woody and drop off a bound Mcbuttbutt. Then they pull off the mask and it's really Harbaugh or according to Snook it will be Herman. I would like to know what did Urb report, to who, and what info did he have.

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Dstacify's picture

Jabrill Peppers may have inadvertently just thrown Harbaugh under the bus with his latest comments about Durkin being a bully at TTUN. So Hairball probably has his own shit to deal with now in terms of questions because of that since it was ultimately his decision to hire Durkin.

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blu.fan's picture

Maybe. But Durkin wasn't the head coach with free reign. And no one died. And Durkin was gone after one season.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

I"m sure the media will ignore Peppers the magnificent because no one died.

Gotta love the Michigan fans. 

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goodlifesean's picture

No they mostly ignore it because Muschamp is a frickin idiot and ran his mouth. Like dude, not a good look.

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Buckeyebull64's picture

That doesn’t have any traction at least with me. At Michigan, Durkin was 1 of 9 coaches where Harbaugh was setting the tone. Now at Maryland, where he set the tone, there is supposed to be a toxic culture

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Dstacify's picture

I'd say with all the snowflake reporters out there now that are covering CFB if Urban can get in massive trouble over one of his lower level assistants being a terrible husband to his wife I'd say Harbaugh could easily be thrown into the line of fire for having Durkin on his staff with everything that's been revealed about the way Durkin coaches. He would've been perfectly fine if Peppers hadn't decided to open his mouth and expose Durkin being a douchecanoe with the players at TTUN as well. Now it's going to prompt the question of how much of Durkin's aggressive style was Harbaugh aware of and how much of it did he allow. This is unfortunately CFB now, people will search for drama every which way they can find it in the off-season.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

Really? We have a bottom feeder sports reporter who interviewed the ex wife of  an assistant coach at OSU about her allegations of domestic violence when she filed for a restraining order against her ex husband three years after their divorce. Said reporter  splattered the internet with ex wife's allegations that not only was ex husband physically abusive to her during her marriage and was stalking her, demanding sex after cornering her in her home within the last month, etc. but that the entire football staff at OSU knew about it, including all their wives and covered it up. It resulted in a media firestorm and paid administrative leave and job limbo for the head coach and the assistant coach was immediately fired. The university then hires outside legal and corporate entities to begin an investigation into said allegations, including police departments, staff members, and relatives. 

Michigan's prize jack of all trades Jabrill Peppers states that a former coach, who is now on administrative leave from his current HC job at Maryland due to the death of one of his players from medical neglect on a practice field, claims Durkin was a bully at Michigan toward players and there's nothing to see here? When Pepper's allegation directly involves student athletes and their coaches on site at Michigan? At the very least, the NCAA is going to want to know more.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Probably Urban Meyer’s fault. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Dstacify's picture

Right, because Meyer shaped and molded Durkin into the asshole he is now. Makes complete sense.

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Extramedium's picture

I’ve already seen three mentions of the Durkin story reference the fact that he worked for Urban at some point.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

He also worked for Will Muschamp for three seasons, and Big Will has already stuck his foot in his mouth backing up Durkin. 

Just when SCar thought they were going to beat the offseason.  

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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Dstacify's picture

The difference is none of Meyer's former players at UF have come out and spoken out against Durkin from when they were both coaching there (not yet anyways). The main reason Meyer is being mentioned in ANY of the Durkin stories is because he's also on administrative leave so of course the media is going to be lazy and tie the two together. Harbaugh is going to be under some scrutiny now no matter what because Peppers just spoke out against Durkin and claimed the abuse of players happened at TTUN as well (aka under Harbaugh's watch). At the very least Harbaugh is going to be questioned about how much he tried to rein Durkin in. If he dismisses all those questions it's going to raise eyebrows no matter what.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I thought the sarcasm was obvious. I’ll try harder next time. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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analyticalguy's picture

I feel for you. It took me forever to get back to "even" for "suggesting" that the committee interview everyone else's mom.

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Dstacify's picture

I figured it was sarcasm. I just responded to it with a sarcastic post of my own. If Urban is reinstated after this ZS mess I don't see what's happening with Durkin at Maryland hurting him all that much as long as he keeps quiet about it and doesn't pull a Will Muschamp.

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4thandLong's picture

I presume their findings will need to support the University in all area's and help insulate the School from media backlash and/or possible lawsuits once their findings and recommendations are released. More than likely UFM will be cleared and CS's claims will be dismissed as unsubstantiated by multiple parties making their recommendations to reinstate UFM both legal and proper.

OSU is shelling out $500k to protect themselves (and their Brand) against future litigation and media scrutiny as much or more so then to investigate did UFM follow existing DV reporting protocols, they already have that answer in hand.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

OSU is shelling out $500k to protect themselves (and their Brand) against future litigation and media scrutiny as much or more so then to investigate did UFM follow existing DV reporting protocols, they already have that answer in hand.

Or...they’re wagering $500k to make sure they don’t have to pay the better part of $38M in the event they need to let Coach Meyer go for cause. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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analyticalguy's picture

Or they're investing the $500k toward finding "the right answer" so as to protect their flanks on either side when an informed decision is made.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

True. I was just presenting the counterpoint. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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OldColumbusTown's picture

I would not be shocked if Urban Meyer's "penalty" just so happens to include a $500,000 fine (or donation to domestic abuse services), or something close.

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jdjgrant's picture

4thandlong - just told my son this same exact thing, almost verbatim. Can we get an upvote for 4thandlong? (yes, I realize this is a bit self-serving)

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Go1Bucks's picture

If it vomes from Snook or McTurdy, I wouldnt give it the attention a shitpile deserves.

Go Bucks!

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PapaBucks's picture

Based on their interviews since Monday, I'm thinking they just want to see the Jerry Springer show up close and personal. Maybe it's a bucket list item for one of them. 

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elitesmithie's picture

My thoughts are they are trying to figure out how to not suspend Urban without looking like they are attacking CS so they bring up other women close to the situation and patiently quote them. That way they aren't attacking CS, they are just quoting other women close to the events.

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Facemeat2's picture

Anyone have any updates on how practice went today? Specifically interested in how the Ohio State University Football players are playing...

wait, I just heard someone’s cousin said something about CS. You decide, should we talk more about this shitshow or discuss football? 

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GIBS_STI's picture

It was professor Plum in the library with a candlestick. 

Fortune favors the bold.

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BucknutinNC's picture

Uuugh! Can we just get to the press conference where they reinstate Meyer and say this was a complete shit show by the media and the Zack and Courtney Smith situation is sad and troubling but with the information that was given at the time Urban, Gene, Drake and the University as a whole acted accordingly and move the hell on?

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Bum juice's picture

Im so tired of reading about espn is biased, no there not , yes they are discussion. Just give me our damn coach back. I want to be excited for some major ass whippings that are going to begin in 17 days. 4 more days, and its on fellas.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

But you of all people should know......shit happens

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PsyBuck's picture

Take a deep breath Buckeye Nation. Our long nightmare is about to come to and end. I see this particular revelation as a positive development. Shows me they are preparing their defense for the return of Urban Meyer. And let's not forget, unless Snook's reports are 100% fabrication (and why would he do that ?) then the testimony of Tina Carano should go a long ways in providing them some insulation. Especially IF they decide to cite specifics in their report.

Which statement is more difficult for the media and lynch mob to counter?

"We found no wrong doing on the part of Urban Meyer and recommend he is fully reinstated as the football coach of OSU".

Or

"We found no wrong doing on the part of Urban Meyer or anyone else at the University. Furthermore after speaking with many different parties close to the situation, this committee finds that the allegations against Zach Smith were at best difficult to verify, further supporting our recommendations."

I'm sure the wording will be more legalistic and selective but hopefully the point is obvious.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Wow!  Nicely done PsyBuck! 

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elitesmithie's picture

No thread for this but I am dumbfounded that the same media who gets pissed that people say fake news and question their motives are the same who instantly said a Judge was biased and covering illegally for OSU. These people smell their own farts. 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

That's the smell of hypocrisy.

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Buckeye1503's picture

I have a good feeling that we find out today what happens to Urban Meyer. My take on this is that he will be reinstated with NO suspension BUT Gene Smith will resign.

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cecsix's picture

I hope you're right, but I'm not as confident as you are.  I'm betting on this dragging out until early next week, and a totally undeserved 2 game suspension to let OSU protect its precious image in the national media.  Which is completely stupid, but totally something they'd do. 

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ncinthenext3's picture

I sure as hell hope you're wrong.  After all, it's about me and my wondering about this for weeks and I deserve to know sooner.

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Buckeye1503's picture

Why would Urban be suspended? For lying to the Media? I'm not disagreeing with you Cicsix. I just want thoughts on why he should be suspended.

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cecsix's picture

Because Drake and the Trustees have no backbone, and might cave to media pressure.  Kind of felt like they did that with Tressel.  I hope I'm wrong, and I very well could be.  

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cledaybuck's picture

First of all, Drake wasn't here for Tressel, that was Gee (who can forget his comment?).  Second of all, Tressel got what he deserved, however much we didn't like it.

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raisincanebuckeye's picture

Yes, Tressel deserved to be fired, I have seen no proof(yet) that Urban should be.

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cledaybuck's picture

I have no idea what should happen with Urban, because we don't know so much about what actually happened.  Seems like an investigation is a good idea.  You're right though, there is no proof yet (at least in the public domain) that Urban should be fired.  And he hasn't been fired.

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