Feed the trolls
First word out of my mouth!
Im trying to be optimistic and think well at least he's not fired but all this does is make me think is he going to say pissoff in the offseason.
I don't know if I'd blame him if he left. Shit is ridiculous
I agree. I can only imagine his absolute love of the university has been tarnished. Either with the whole investigation process or the outcome.
It's a damn shame. Can't say that enough
They completely left Urbz out to dry from the beginning. Mary White has always screwed people. Total sham
Idk Mary white but the university definitely didn't have his back when he needed them to.
How can Mary White say that a HC of a major university trumps the police? No charges, and she just accepts a version not supported by law enforcement.
She was on the team that investigated Bountygate (later overturned) and Zeke.
Don't get me started on Bountygate.
Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.
If this was drake as reported and not the board, He signed his own pink slip. Donations will drop, Gene will retire at year's end. Hopefully they won't get such a spineless wimp next time.
Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.
I graduated in 1989 from OSU and have donated to the alumni fund ever since. I'm not donating 1 more cent until that spineless jellyfish mikey drake is gone. Hail Urban & Go Bucks
Fuckin bullshit! I think you can tell from the direct question if Urban thought he deserved to be suspended, that he doesn't think so. He's taking one for the team.
Nobody gives a crap about Gene Smith being suspended. He doesn't coach the team. Why do the fans always have to suffer??? Still waiting for someone in the justice department to say that, in fact, CS was abused...
You will be waiting a long time for that.
A damned disgraceful result by my alma mater. They can all f*** themselves. They lost any respect I had left for their "process".
Typical, Gene skates again and protocol proven to be useless. Damned pc admin.
Im calling for a boycott. #FREEURBAN
TALK ABOUT A DUMPSTER FIRE, LOOK TO THE BOARD.
YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE REPORT OR KNOW THE REASON!! Look, I may end up agreeing with you, but right now, the people saying this are as bad as the "he should be fired crowd." We will know if this makes sense once we hear the reason and get the details from the investigation. Until then, you sound like a fanboy. Not a good look.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
This is the wrong time to rush to judgement on the Trustees and their report, Smith, Meyer and President Drake. We don't know all of the details in the report, fans. So keep your cool. Go Bucks!
The only thing I am happy about is that the suspension is not because he supposedly lied to the sanctimonious media bums at the Big Ten presser day last month.
What was the press conference for, if they weren’t going to explain any of their decisions?
What we do know is that Coach told his boss. They might have considered hiring a new coach but at that time(May, June) they might have felt it was to late and thought to let him leave at seasons end... This could be wrong, but some reporters are saying it but can't substantiate.
What we do know is that Coach told his boss
From what I heard, Gene Smith told Urban about the 2015 incident, not the other way around.
It's my guess that Meyer is being punished for not advising OSU of Zach's 2009 incident, for not knowing about the 2015 incident or investigating it, not knowing about Zach's 2013 OVI, and for keeping Zach around impressionable young men after these and other questionable behaviors. If Meyer had blinders on, as it seems, when it came to that family, he's certainly being taken to task for a lack of oversight. He is also being punished (along with Gene) for not reporting the incident to Compliance. And then there's the failure to communicate at B1G Media Days.
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
Before I watched the presser today, I thought Meyer should be reinstated immediately, no further penalty. It seemed he did all he was supposed to do.
But if Urban didn't know about the 2015 incident or any of the other issues, that looks bad. He didn't advise OSU about Zach's 2009 incident, didn't report to compliance, etc. If we give Meyer the benefit of the doubt (that UM wasn't aware), how differently would he have acted if he was looking the other way (as many will claim) when it came to Zach's behavior?
That’s exactly my fucking point. If they’re going to hand out suspensions they need to fucking explain what the fuck the reasoning is to hand them out. Sorry for all the expletives, I’ve been working about 15 hours a day for the past two months.
I may know more than you think. Ill stick to my disgust.
Any idea where we can see the report?
The more you act like a lady the more likely he’ll act like a gentleman.
I just read the report and frankly, I am VERY happy we still have a coach! There are some pretty bad decisions made on Urban's part and he could have very well been fired! I am now very happy he only got a 3 game suspension....
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Can you provide a cliff note version of what the report says that makes you happy he didn’t get fired? I can still only see red and don’t know if my blood pressure can handle reading the whole damn thing.
When in doubt... Muck Fichigan
It's hard to summarize. ZS had a troubling sexual, financial, drug/alcohol history and otherwise unethical behavior that Urban was aware of but did not write down, and did not report to Gene Smith or other University employees. There are also, let's say generous, interpretations of possible reasons to explain Urban making poor decisions or conveniently not remembering things.
This post has some other summaries - https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/08/95553/full-de...
Urban can use the time to recruit and rest up for the run to the CFP’s!
FIRE DRAKE NOW
You WIN with people.
Drake is a coward that bows down to those who hate the university regardless of this situation. Lost any respect I had for that guy.
I am interested to see what the actual report/findings state.
"You can not use logic" -Gary Danielson of CBSec
Since you haven't seen the report, how can you say he bowed down in this instance? Look, I may agree with you, but we need to stop rushing to judgment.
Mary Jo White said that Urban and Gene "acted in good faith".
b) In May 2014, in connection with an out-of-town recruiting trip to Florida, Zach Smith ran up a significant bill at a local strip club along with another OSU football coach and one or more high school coaches:
so did KNARCISI he mentioned this today I think .. the other coach being Tom Herman
"To The House"
Seems like the three games was the cost for holding on to Zach for all this time. He let quite a bit slide which now that it comes to light and adds up under the microscope turns into a lot bigger deal.
Ohiowhitesnake, my exact reaction!
I agree. But at least we keep him. Chip officially on shoulders.
The ugly truth is often downvoted
I have looked and can't find the committee's report detailing their findings. Can you post the link here so I can read it?
My initial reaction and I’ll stand behind it.
I will read the report, but based on what I’ve read over the last few weeks, my feeling may not change.
College coaches just became somewhere between local police and the FBI in their investigative responsibilities today.
Good fucking luck.
They just have to be omniscient, that’s all.
This talking point, while catchy, is not accurate.
Urban's job is not to determine the validity of Courtney Smith's claims. That's never been the issue.
Urban's job – and Gene Smith, who utterly dropped the ball here – is to pass those allegations along to people who actually can ensure that the university follows its processes. Per the investigation, they failed to do that.
When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.
2015 event (according to Carpenter & Roth from the report): Powell police tell campus police tell TITLE 9 COORDINATOR (how this isn't part of compliance is beyond me) tells Gene tells Urban. Gene and Urban wait and see for charges, no charges. What's the threshold for Gene/Urban reporting if they think Title 9 people and the police are tracking the situation?
That part is still confusing to me as well, but it looks like there was some kind of major communication breakdown between the Title IX coordinator, Urban and Gene.
I don't think that it ultimately fell on Urban to be *the* guy who reported it, knowing that he found out from his boss. I think that the suspension had more to do with Urban giving Zach Smith far too long of a runway and refusing to discipline him.
PR BS I guess this means Urban is a Buckeye for life at least. Ryan Day is gonna get to show his stuff for the the next big hire. I'll grumble but I'll cheer. Go Bucks!!
I don't think it's b.s., I thought all along 2 - 3 games. But my question is, why is it Urbans responsibility to report to compliance if tells Gene, isn't it Gene's job to tell compliance? And I still find it very hard to believe that Shelley didn't tell Urban about the text messages. Don't you share everything with your spouse especially if you get along?
Okay I will bite, if it’s not Urbans job to notify compliance (Gene Smith stated it was his job) and Mary Jo White stated Urban followed protocols then why exactly is he suspended.
Likely boils down to keeping Zach Smith on staff despite numerous red flags (i.e., "misconduct and problematic behavior" some of which was known to coach Meyer).
I could maybe see that, but that’s what he said not any of the points Mary Jo White brought up. The big one was even though the police said there was nothing it should have been reported to compliance. That’s Gene Smiths job not Urbans, per Gene Smith
It was point 5 or 6.
Are we supposed to believe that Gene Smothbia single point I contact for all 33 coaches to report to compliance?
Of course the coaches have a direct line to compliance.
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So you are saying Gene lied when he stated it was his job not Urbans? I don’t know what to believe anymore.
The point here was they reported it, yes, BUT they turned a blind eye to all Zach’s other BS behavior when the sign on the wall says act like an adult as a member of the staff.
I guess UM should have made nightly visits to all his asst coaches so they could get his permission for a blow jobs...
I'm a bit at a loss. What the Fuc@%@ is compliance? Are they talking about NCAA compliance? If so why the hell would they need to know about this. This was 2015 and this has nothing to do with NCAA compliance.... Either way I promise you more than just Gene and Urban knew about this report. And guys it was Gene that found out about Zach before Urban.
Urban is taking the hit and you know what. WE STILL DON'T KNOW if Courtney was even abused.
I understand what Mary Jo White was saying but she is wrong. If the police don't believe their was credible reasons to believe domestic abuse was taking place how can a coach who is already working 80 hours weeks doing his actual job.
Gene himself even admitted that HE failed to properly pass the accusations to compliance. That’s what I don’t get.
The report stated Urban was expected to report the allegations to both Gene and the compliance office, and even if Gene had already reported it to compliance, that did not relieve Urban of his responsibility to report it to both parties.
"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"
1. Urb shoulda told osu about zs issues in Florida. That’s on Urb. Agreed?
2. If you sincerely are trying to protect students, then don’t ask them to report to the coach. Report to an independent compliance office that handles this shit so coaches don’t have to. The coach who is abusive could be a Head coach , or the best friend or relative of the head coach. So this is a disastrous policy that should die with this stupid f#€king case.
So Urban should have told them about an argument in 2009 between Zach and Courtney that once again resulted in no charges. He worked at two other colleges between fla and OSU, so no I don’t agree. Did you hear Gene and Drake both state that they run background checks, wonder why it didn’t show? Maybe because there were no charges to show. I definitely agree with point 2, except Courtney Smith wasn’t a student and at some point the police have to be believed.
Not report an ‘argument’ but a bigger allegation. Words are important. He didn’t report that Zach had been accused. That’s it.
That sad , I don’t believe he or any coach should be responsible for behavior policing. Major universities should have people who only do this. Never expect any coach to be saddled with the responsibility of protecting and policing hundreds of people external to the team. It’s crazy and clearly not in the best interest of the students.
Exactly what issues are you talking about in Florida? Just like here, nothing was ever proven/charged. You can't throw out unsubstantiated shit in the hiring process, otherwise you get sued. "Once at Tennessee, a guy from the stands yelled that Zach fucked goats. Not sure if he did or not, but just want to get it on the record that he may have fornicated with farm animals." Bullshit.
You’re just wrong , he could have told osu about the allegations ,,, even with a disclaimer that he didn’t think it was real or whatever. But he didn’t.
Again, I don’t think this SHOULD be the job of sports coaches. But it is. Wrongly imho
Sorry but you are wrong. The definition of allegation reads as:
“In law, an allegation is a claim of a fact by a party in a pleading, charge, or defense. Until they can be proved, allegations remain merely assertions”
so even in 2009, was it ever proven? No, because if it was it would’ve been put on record right?!
What really pisses me off about it is that EVERYONE seems to be forgetting the human component in all of this. UM loved ZS grandfather, in 2009 ZS was a young man in a young marriage, and if anybody in here says their marriages have always been roses and rainbows you can go blow a unicorn because you are a liar! People do deserve second chances, you try to take care of family, you hope people learn from their mistakes, and people should be held accountable for their actions and theirs alone. UFM is human, the only thing he did wrong was make the same human mistakes any of us would’ve made
I get what allegations are. Thanks.
But he Can still report these. This idea that he can be sued is incorrect. Heck he can fire without a verdict on any of the claims. And he did.
But I hope you agree that
1: it’s awesome he will continue to coach at OSU
2. Coaches shouldn’t be police.
Completely agree with both 1 and 2
This is some ridiculous semantic bs.
Fine - don't report the "allegations" from 2009 but UM sure as hell should have notified Ohio State of the ARREST.
The results of a failed experiment between a lifelong Buckeye and a 3rd generation Spartan
No, you are wrong. It is not BS it is a GIFT!
This is PERFECT!
Life is full of injustices and although we feel this is another one, and it may be, but that is what life is all about. Sometimes bad things happen to good people. What does not kill you makes you stronger. This team is full of talent, and now they have a vengeance like never before. They will play angry.
God help those teams on the schedule this season, because the Buckeyes will show no mercy!
These young men may put on an Ohio State uniform, but Urban Meyer is who they will play for this season, and they now have something to prove, and prove it they will.
If you want to be successful hire the right people and get the hell out of their way! Urban has had his challenges with this concept, but now he will not have a choice, but he does have the right people and they too have something to prove. When he returns he will give more control to his now proven coordinators. His job will be to manage the game, not call plays. He can decide to go for it on fourth down or punt, when to use timeout etc.. but his very talented assistants are going to show what they can do. It will be impressive.
None of us like this, but it is not the bad thing we think it is, it is an opportunity for many that would not have otherwise presented itself. Be happy, we are going to have a great year!
What your talking about is being united behind a cause, and together, being inspired. I hope your right, instead of just being mad. That could lead to disaster. Then Coach will leave!
I'm not mad, just very disappointed. I don't think the team has any issues with bing "united", they are very tight and team oriented.
Think about all of the adversity we faced in 2014, we lost one of our players, but the team prevailed. We have some of the brightest coaches in the game, but they don't always get the freedom to show their talent, and creativity. If Urban was the coach and JT was the QB in 2002, do you think the "Holy Buckeye" would have happened? I am not knocking Urban Meyer, there is nobody I would rather have guiding the Buckeyes, NOBODY! I just see this will be a great opportunity for a lot of talent to be showcased, on the field and on the sidelines, and in the press box.
Sorry, I didn't mean you being mad, I meant if Coach holds on to some resentment and it permeates throughout the team. Last year the NY Giants was mad at the organization, and they played like it.
I could be wrong, but I honestly believe Urban Meyer is a man of character, and character matters, he will accept the sanctions and he will not play the team against the school. What you heard him say is the same message he will give the team, he did not do things as well as he could have, and there are consequences.
What I do expect is that when the players walk in to Beaver Stadium and see the faux anger directed at Urban Meyer, they will be inspired to teach them a lesson about respect.
There is nothing “perfect” about this. Osu just put itself in purgatory. They didnt say Meyer covered up DV but still suspended him. Everyone is going to view that as meyer getting away with covering up DV and thats all that is going to be talked about for the forseeable future. Its really simple. If he covered dv up, then you fire him. If he didnt cover it up, you reinstate him. A suspension is a terrible idea.
How exactly do you know the team is “full of vengance” or will “play angry”. What if they’re pissed because theyve been held to high standards and now assume their coach wasnt doing the same for himself? Or, maybe they view everything meyer says as being BS that should’nt be taken seriously.
I love your enthusiasm and really wish I could buy what you’re selling. I just don’t know too many championship teams whose coach starts the year off suspended.
Urban basically said he "Supports his president and trust his president". We all know that this was Drake who wanted the suspension. Probably for the optics. We all know this.
I agree the suspension was the wrong idea. You can already see that it hasn't placated the national media. Only Herbstreit has given OSU a fair shake. Finebaum, that A-hole legal analyst ESPN has on every 30 minutes, and others are just trashing Ohio State anyways. They keep talking about Urban Meyer not apologizing to the victim....which again assumes that she is a victim. We don't even know that.
I promise you I'm boycotting Finebaum. I will never listen to that blow hard SEC ra ra man again.
There's a first time for everything, time will tell. We have too much talent, just wait and see.
I never thought Urban Meyer did anything wrong, but I have felt he could have done things better, but what he did do wasn't wrong. Now it's OSU's turn, they may not be done anything wrong, but what they did do could have been better. They tried to walk a thin line to appease everyone, but probably just angered everybody, a week from now this will be old news, but we will have to endure it during every televised pregame show airing the Buckeyes for the remainder of the season.
At least that's how I see it playing out, time will tell.
ESPN has been slowly increasing the damnation of OSU. Finally had to turn it off. I'm done with ESPN...done.. Going to block the channel.
Never turn on ESPN. U will feel guilty and dirty watching their talking heads.
Sometimes we need to step back and try to be objective. We all love the football team, but this is a public university and there are public trust issues, that must be considered. No we don't like them, it may be unfair, but it also may be unfair to put the university on the spot to begin with. Zach was a weak link, him being gone is a good thing. As for everything else, be happy it is over and lets have some lemonade. I think a great year in still in front of us.
I think you guys are missing the point of the suspension. He was suspended because Urban and/or Gene should have reported the incident regardless of if charges were filed. You have to let the appropriate personnel decide what/what not should be done.
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This is such an f’n joke...
"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
- Cardale Jones
And *ichigan STILL sucks...
"Hell, Woody didn't recruit me; he recruited my mother!" -Jack Tatum
What a bunch of shit!
It. Is. Time.
So much for the all or nothing stance. Curious to see how they came to a 3 game conclusion
I honestly think Gene was brought in when he was to mediate the situation because he's closer than Urban than the rest of them. I don't know if his retro suspension was a part of that or not, but it all seems to make sense to me.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
I’ll tell you exactly how...1 game would appear insignificant, and 2 games would appear as though they wanted him back for TCU game, so they bit the bullet and made it 3, so the BOT wouldn’t appear weak...all about public perception. I think it should’ve been 0 games, but 3 does make sense from the “let’s protect our reputation” standpoint.
As much as it sucks and he didn’t deserve this suspension, let’s all be grateful he’s still our coach, AND he will still have his thumbprints all over the game planning and game prep...he will not be able to coach in-game but you better believe he’ll have them ready.
"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir
I think that is exactly how it stacks up.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
How does that work? He's suspended, he will not be allowed onto university property, nor have contact with university staff, coaches or players.
I’ll tell you exactly how...1 game would appear insignificant, and 2 games would appear as though they wanted him back for TCU game, so they bit the bullet and made it 3, so the BOT wouldn’t appear weak...all about public perception. I think it should’ve been 0 games, but 3 does make sense from the “let’s protect our reputation” standpoint.
Should've block-quoted. Referring to the first paragraph.
You are right. UFM cannot be on campus nor participate while on suspension (at least until Sept. 3?).
Yep, me too. I will be curious to hear the School's reasoning. It can't be we bowed to public pressure. What did he do to warrant the suspension. That is what I want to hear.
These were my thoughts as well.
It is times like this I wish Gordan Gee still ran the show, at least he would tell the nay sayers to suck it.
Theire is only one truth...
Kyle "blood on the field" Kalis... 0-5
"Who is that madman?" the new arrival asked St. Peter.
"That's God," St. Peter replied. "But he thinks he's Woody Hayes."
If you take everything I’ve accomplished in my life and condense it down to one day, it looks decent!
Exactly. This is a victory. We kept Meyer.
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." - Groucho Marx
"The recipient of Oyster's ONLY down vote".
Yeah but for how long? I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves after the season after all this nonsense.
And start rebuilding elsewhere instead of a loaded program that's recruiting the best it ever has? I don't think so.
To whatever extent it follows him, it will follow him elsewhere. I don't see him leaving unless he quits coaching outright.
Exactly. And then the contract buy out coming out of his own pocket? If thats how that would work, i dont see it happening.
Above all else, he loves the young men that he coaches and will be there for them regardless of how this situation ended up. He’s a buckeye, always has been. I think that keeps him/continually extends his stay as the man on top of the football program.
Let's Go BUCKEYES!!!!!
He will be coaching at Norte dame next fall. It will be his last stop. tOSU screwed him.
He isn’t a petulant child.
Has nothing to do with petulance. It's about not having the trust of your superiors.
So, Notre Dame is going to buy out another giant contract for an existing coach, and hire the coach that every non-OSU fan in the country is currently bashing?
He'll be here or nowhere. I hope it's here.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
Agreed as soon as Notre Dame has an opening Meyer is gone. And I bet he takes Mariotti and Johnson back to Notre Dame with him. I mean seriously. He gave Zach the benefit of the doubt. In hindsight we still don't know if that was fair or not.
I would rather have urban for 75% of the season than harbaugh all year.
High and tight boo boo
I'd rather have the checkers chicken than Harbaugh....
If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.
I'd rather have Justice for a man who did what he was suppose to do.
.They dont care about justice, just like the person with the next comment below me.
He didn't. He should have fired Zach Smith a long time ago, and he pretty much admitted that in the presser. He gets paid 7+ mil/year to do more than follow the letter of the guidelines, which he also just barely skirted because he and Smith didn't inform the compliance office of the police call/investigation. The compliance office is there to protect the university from exactly these kinds of problems. He and Smith prevented the compliance office from doing its job, pretty much to protect Smith -- because, of course, the compliance office would have said to just fire his ass because he's going to get OSU in trouble sooner or later.
To be fair, they were asked who exactly is supposed to report to the compliance dept. In order as to what they said. Meyer to report to Smith, Smith in turn is supposed to report to the Compliance Dept. Smith even said as much that he was to report to the Compliance. Meyer is getting punished for not seeing the red flags, But from their own mouths. Meyer is to report to Smith then Smith to report to Compliance. Nothing was reported because there was no arrest or charges made by the police. And in the eyes of OSU, that wasn't good enough for the University. Thus he was suspended. That is what I heard anyway. Less I missed something that they said.
Yes Knite you heard it right. Strangely, it seems the press chose not to hear that. Did you hear Herbie tonight? He said that as a result of this, OSU, and maybe other schools will need to hire a full time guy to always check the domestic issues of players and staff. This would be their only job. What I wasn;t aware of, is that the NFL already has these type of guys. Strange that college teams don't.
"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra
Bingo. This the whole crux of the matter. It's Meyer's job to make the OSU football team an asset to the University not an embarrassment and he is paid quite handsomely to do so. I am thrilled he wasn't fired, but ZS should have been released long ago and he does have to answer in some form for that. Believing the football coach is exempt from the same rules as other employees simply because he wins lots of games is what led to the PSU mess. This seems fair to me and if Meyer thinks himself too good for it and leaves so be it. I suspect he won't and we can put this behind us.
He read the statement he was told to read. Pretty sure Meyer's version is way different.
- because, of course, the compliance office would have said to just fire his ass because he's going to get OSU in trouble sooner or later.
Which is exactly what he did from where i’m Sitting.
I love OSU, I love Urban, but he let this guy have way too much rope and it ended up not only hanging himslef by ultimately getting fired, but Urban almost got dragged down in the backwash.
Have you seen the committee's report? Because I have not. If not, how do you know? I doubt it was 8 hours of "Urban did everything correct to the letter but we need to appease the masses." Common people.
FTN, you keep saying the same thing over and over again. You haven't seen the report but seem to just want to roll over on coach meyer. Mary Jo even said that urban did what he was supposed to do but the committee felt he should have done what the police were unwilling to do. I'm sorry but in what world does someone get punished for not being the "judge jury and executioner"?
The juice is worth the squeeze
This is a bad take. My point was that I want all the information then I will offer my opinion. I have little patience for the "this is bullshit" crowd that won't explain their opinion and who posted moments after the decision came down making it obvious they hadn't seen the report. Saying that Mary Jo said "Urban did what he was supposed to do" is grossly misleading, as the report is 12 pages long and contains multiple conclusions, some of which make it clear he didn't do everything he was supposed to do. The "judge, jury, executioner comment is utterly ridiculous," as you are engaging in hyperbole to avoid a discussion about reasonable things he could have done (e.g. tell OSU about Zach's 2009 incident) Hell, Meyer said as much at his presser (you can choose to believe he doesn't believe those things if you want, but he said them). I am posting this the next day, and so by now maybe you have read the report, but I am responding to the post you fired off yesterday because I couldn't let your comment go unaddressed. It is abundantly clear to me bringing Smith on as a coach in 2011 was bad judgement, and Meyer missed many of the red flags regarding Zach's behavior in the years that followed. If you don't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Finally, I have been accused many times on here of being a Meyer apologist for every decision he has made (e.g. sticking with JT), so I find it amusing that I am now getting painted as someone who is just throwing him under the bus (my words, not yours, but that was the gist). I call it like I see it, whether it is staunchly defending the home team or criticizing them instead.
I'm not saying that I disagree completely with you and I'm not saying that urban did nothing wrong. I just dont see what he did deserving a 3 game suspension. I used to be in a management role in retail and I've made bad hires but I certainly didnt get in trouble for them. I know that isn't an exact analogy because the issue is more that urban hired him even though he knew about the allegations.
As far as Mary jo's comment... I dont need to read the report to know that she said it... she said it in the presser. She had a hand in writing the report so why would she say that if it weren't true.
While I dont disagree with you about what you say... I disagree with the way you went about saying it. And I know you've been a staunch supporter of urbans in the past I just dont see why that has to change now. He wasn't enabling a wife beater and he didnt cover up for one either. As far as I'm concerned he's guilty of misplaced loyalty and that's it.
Yawn. I'm operating off the same info as you but here you are virtue signaling. Not to mention u have posted the same response to about 5 other people in this thread. Zzzzzzzz
IT was so boring you logged in to respond to it. I'm not gonna lie, your effort could have been better.
You won the internet today sir Beer this man
That’s bullshit. My goodness...!
well, Go Bucks! Feel bad for the rest of our foes on the schedule. Not really.
Fields of Dreams
Just glad its over. Onto Oregon State now.
If i could change my username, i would
Looks like a compromise between nothing and being fired. Gene Smith dropped the ball big time.
Yep. We brush the dirt off and move forward.
Regardless of whether the punishment was right or wrong, it’s least settled. And the fact Urban can coach through the week before the games means that the impact will be pretty minimal. And recruiting should stay intact.
Now, after a few days of media uproar and fan frustration, we’ll be back to celebrating football!
Wow. What a day.
attempting to be an adult
Ryan Day to be exact.
Better than termination but I’d like to see the results of the investigation.
Frustrating, but at least he is still the head coach.
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
there we have it
“Save yourself and relax during every game. I recommend a fine bourbon.”
Wow! Now i know why he hasn’t gotten the tattoo.
Who is the a hole serial down voter here? BrutusB? MMan in disguise?
Who cares. The upvotes are outweighing the down votes anyway. Piss on them.
The hell? Im happy he’s not fired. Leave me out of this.
Guilty until proven innocent is the new norm/s
Not sure why this was downloaded, but I still have my sense of humor.
Don't love it. But he's still our Coach
This is too much. Time served would have been sufficient. But, let's move on.
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
Pray for potatoes with a hoe in your hand.
Fuck this. Urban’s leaving at the end of the year, and I can’t blame him.
Lol he’ll have a $33 million buyout after this year. He gonna go sit on the beach?
Notre Dame, LSU and USC will be more than willing and able to pay that buyout.
He’s not going anywhere. Drake on the other hand...
Why in the hell would he leave? And why would he wait until after the year and just not leave now?
What better than win a Natty and tell them to shove it after going to Disneyland.
It is what it is.......
Priority #1: Beat Michigan
An what it is is ridiculous
Wow! Can't believe it.
Thank you 11W for the instant coverage and honest coverage this whole time - can be easy to get caught up in click bait reports
I don't like it! Fully reinstate.
False. 11w was every bit as click-baity during the first week. They joined the lynchmob
1. Press Conference hasn't happened yet. How do we know this?
2. 100 percent complete and utter bullshit if Urban did nothing wrong.
That is All
"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland
#FireDrakeOrWhoeverFoughtForThisOnTheBoard. Haunt their freaking houses with eggs I say!
"I don't apologize for anything. When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes
Just toilet paper the trees in their front yard.
"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."
Ohio State isn't getting a dime of my donor money until Drake is gone. Grow a backbone.
This is bullshit. Not bullshit of the highest order (firing), but a lot of bullshit none the less.
****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in. FACT
“Right now, Michigan is not at the pinnacle of college football, and that’s all Urban Meyer cares about...He’s been there and knows what it takes to get there.”
If Urban did nothing wrong, my donations will be suspended for a lot longer than 3 games.
Only way they will learn tbh
My donations have been suspended since Drake's first month, and I told them so when I sent back the donation card with a letter informing them they will not get any more donations as long as he is employed.
I think I’ll stick with my wife unless you’re a 40-something hot blonde with a trust fund to offset my divorce, but I understand your reaction.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
Maybe you should figure out if vintoncountybuck is a dude or a chick first.
That may not matter in their figuring
I'm with you. Going to miss the season tickets but no more money from me.
The sad thing is that if donors stop giving they will assume it is because of Urban. Then they will hire another coach. And realize that the drop in donations is because of Ohio State Administration.
I'm taking a wait and see approach. I'm not buying anything Ohio State until I'm convinced they are going to treat Urban better. This sort of reminds me of some other situations. Bet your ass Drake will be looking now for any excuse to fire Urban. A freaking players gets a DUI and Urban could be gone. Seriously until Drake is gone I'm going to be in wait and see mode.
I'm still not sure we ever see meyer on the sideline for another OSU game. The media pressure is not going to die down. Is the university finally gonna stand up to it or continue to cave.. I think it will be the latter.
BS. He has already been out for 3 weeks. Drake and Smith need to go!!!!
Interesting that Smith gets off with only two weeks....???? Wasn't he even more at fault for not reporting to compliance whatever the hell that is. I think this is all BS to be honest. I'm not even close to be convinced that Zach even hit Courtney. Her own mom doubts it. Screw Drake and ESPN
I am ordering Pizza Hut
I don’t see it.
Looks like he can return to coaching duties Sept 3rd.
Meh. This is what the majority of folks expected
I'm just ready for the season to start.
This is the best reponse so far
A compromise point perhaps?
Fortune favors the bold.
36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3"
EAT SOME FUCKING SHIT...i better hear some groundbreaking shit. and why is this shit breaking before presser? i'm furious
"It's so easy to be average...to HELL WITH THAT" - Urban Meyer
Just glad he isn't fired and it is over. Go Ryan Day! Go Buckeyes!
I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!
This will give McMurphy and all the haters ammo to say things were dirty.
Well, the good news is Buckeye kick off's will be in bound for three games. After that....
This is 100% a President Drake PR move to "prove" that they are tough on DV and to appease the mob. And the entire BoT disagreed, but Drake gets the final say therefore we get the suspension...
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He's damn lucky he's not fired
This is, perhaps, truly the brightest side of the situation.
Only said "shit" 3 times...
Exactly. This is my biggest beef with the suspension. It's like an admission of guilt.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
We don't know who agreed or disagreed or suggested the 3 game suspension and all the details because we were not in the room much like Aaron Burr (Hamilton reference - go see it if you can). That said... the report is finding stuff that makes me think we might have been better off with Day as the new head coach permanently, and removed from the icky inaction of Urbs - here's one:
(iii) Coach Meyer became aware of this incident, although he maintains not the amount of the expenditure, and reprimanded Zach Smith, warning him that if it happened again, he would be fired; Coach Meyer also revised the 2014 Coaches’ Manual to include a “morality clause” instructing staff to “[a]void strip clubs or venues that would embarrass The Ohio State University” and prohibiting “pornography . . . on any university issued computer, phone, IPad, etc.” Coach Meyer did not, however, report this incident to Athletic Compliance. We have provided the information obtained by the Independent Investigation of this incident to the Office of University Compliance and Integrity and the Athletic Compliance Office to investigate whether this conduct violated the NCAA legislation. We found no evidence that AD Smith was aware of this incident.
The boys in Scarlet and Gray will play this season in Total F-U mode. This will be fun.
I aim to misbehave.
We keep our coach!!!!!
I don’t agree with the suspension but now we have an angry football led by an angry staff.
The rest of the B1G is on notice.
"I'm One Bad Buckeye, and I approve this message."
Sigh. Hopefully Urban sees the support of the fans and doesnt hold a grudge over this.
Utterly stupid decision. Either fire him or immediately reinstate. This just makes everyone mad and accomplishes absolutely nothing.
I thought it would be 2-3 games.
Should have waited to buy my tickets to TCU. Have a feeling they might drop a little
Glad I bought tics for Tulane. Folks laughed at me back then.
I hate the offseason.
this is absolute bullshit...if he did wrong, then fire him...#FireDrake
People complaining about this are just greedy. I’m happy he’s not fired.
OHIO AGAINST THE WORLD!!!!!!
Print them up-Let's roll!!!!
Good and stupid
Well, I'm pissed, but he is still with us.
Stand tall rise up stay strong fighting your enemies
Truth will find it's reward
If you live and die by the sword
Anyone think he leaves after the season?
"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."
Anyone who thinks that is an idiot.
Meyer will be in his job longer than Drake will.
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
If Drake is fires soon then yes. If Drake is not fired than I think as soon as someone comes along offering him a better deal he'll be gone.
YOU CANNOT FIRE PEOPLE FOR ALLEGATIONS!
WTF!! How about PROOF?!
Urban wasn't fired, much less over the allegations over Zach Smith.
Zach Smith was fired for failing to be forthcoming with Urban about the trespassing charge, among other things.
Urban was suspended due to a failure to follow the university's protocols.
He should resign immediately once he gets on the podium. Go where people appreciate him. This is F up.
The only thing that's new in the world is the history that we have forgotten.
If it does turn out that Drake was the only one wanting a suspension, assuming it was for a non valid reason, what is the mechanism for firing him? I just hadn't seen any press reports on canning the OSU president (it is being discussed here as a possibility for MD prez)
This is bullshit!!
At least we know our fate - time to crush the schedule
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
I would not trust “Dr.” Drake for a basic eye exam. He’s oh-for-2 in decisions.
Get off the fucking stage Drake, you’re a joke
Fuck that. Drake is taking a tough stance to bring up at this job interview when he tries to go to the Ivy Leagie. That asshat wont last the year here.
At the end of the day, we still have our coach!!! BOOM!
Great! Back for big 10 season. I think this isthe best the could be hoped for!
Well at least his job is rightfully saved. F*ck Off Ohio State PC police caving in though.
It's a Dawg Eat Dawg world and I'm wearing Milkbone underwear - Norm Peterson
Could have been much worse. Not having him against TCU will hurt though.
Hopefully the team rallies around this
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
I'm ready to hear names like Haskins/Weber/Bosa/Dobbins/Chase Young/Mack/Borland/Sheffield/Booker/Okudah....
I don't think TCU will be competitive.
One game for every ring on Smith's Spider Enhancer. Or so I've heard.
What's Gene Smith getting out of all of this, is my question? Is Meyer the scapegoat for Gene?
You need to be humble or you will get humbled. - Jocko Willink
Ok question answered
When does this shit end? Damn these people
I was considering traveling to the home coming game. CANCELLED. I will stop with any OSU related activities tv, websites , you name it until URBAN returns. I'm done. THIS IS DRAKE'S DOING. This school does not deserve Urban Meyer.
"It doesn't matter if law enforcement authorities haven't obtained enough credible evidence to make an arrest or even charge, it's up to Gene Smith and Urban Meyer to investigate the allegations more deeply than law enforcement."
Is this pretty much what she just said?
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
It was, and its mind boggling.
Drake needs to go
Buckeye born, Buckeye bred,
and when I die, I'm gonna beat the shit out if Bo Shembechler
Trash. We're running the fucking table. Mark these words.
I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.
I Believe In Ohio State.
Nope. Two losses minimum. When you get this screwed by your employer you stop giving a crap pretty quickly. He’s gone at the end of the season.
Maybe you stop giving a crap in your world.
Buckeyes will be incredible this year and early next. Urban isn't going anywhere until he retires.
Cry and complain if you must. Plenty to be very thankful for.
No one's crying or complaining here. Maybe being naive works for you. But when you're an executive at that level and you get rolled by your superior, then you get the heck out pretty quickly. That's pretty standard, especially seeing the hand of his lawyer in the statements made in the report as well as his answers to the press. It was clear that there were heavy negations going on before the report was completed and before the press conference. You don't do that if you're happy to be staying in your current job. Maybe he feels like he has credibility with the BOT, but after that report, he doesn't. He's gone after this season.
Guys, it's cool, he's back for Tulane.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Think it will be a full horseshoe?
Sux, but I'll take it...with a side of cheese. WE WILL RISE, and Urban and them Buckeye Boys will flourish through the ashes.
Make preparations in advance. You never have trouble if you are prepared for it.
Mark May is a mental midget
Drake’s a coward
3 game suspension for a slight misstep? Are you fucking kidding me? From what I've gathered it is literally for not taking it even higher than Gene Smith and slightly misspeaking to the media. Bullshit.
That’s it. Burn it down. Time to go Morgantown on them!!!!
Thank you, sweet, 8lb 5oz baby Jesus...O-H!!!
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
Hope someone files for an open records request so we can all see what was in the report
It is going to be made public tonight as indicated. The main reason seems to be that neither Meyer or Smith reported the matter to the compliance office.
If its true that Urban followed protocol and did everything he was suppose to, Urban will be coaching at ND next year, thanks cowardly BoT and Drake. Caved to media pressure instead of doing what was right.
Urban's a player's coach. He's not going to punish his players for a decision Michael Drake made. My guess is the BoT won't be too thrilled with this forced move and will turn up the heat on Drake going forward (one can only hope).
Looks like Gene gets 16 days for not doing his job and Urban gets fucked.
When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
Someone tell me how reporting a dv allegation to compliance overrides or is more important than reporting to or "simply relying on police "?
Because OSU, like virtually all other colleges, has now adopted the same guilty until proven innocent stance. What they are saying is that ANY allegation made by anyone will result in staff's immediate suspension and one's employment will be further decided by a group of admiinstrators who will rely on perception of the public and current social justice dogma as to whether you keep your job. Unless of course, you have tenure.
A police report will be meaningless and administration will be uninterested in it.
Did you just hear Gene Smith say that it was his job to report to compliance and he didn’t? So if Gene knows it’s his job why is that being held against Urban. We can agree to disagree, but this is a let’s try and make everybody happy on the outside. Yes, I heard Urban say maybe he should have asked more questions, but he is not an investigator.
Exactly! Urbz reports to his boss, who apparently didn't send it to compliance.....how in the world is that his fault? The entire administration needs to be replaced. Today just showed the entire country how dysfunctional this admin is.
Buckeye 24/7 is reporting that Gene Smith has been suspended without pay for two weeks.
I better see some shocking previously undisclosed information in the BOT report.
I feel sorry for Tulane....
Day can handle them. But a Urban is about to gameplan for PSU for a month.
this has been a strange era for the Buckeyes , remind me of when Earle Bruce was fired by Ed Jennings
nah just makes you crazier
Don't understand all the Drake hate... The BOT voted unanimously on this outcome.. That's enough for me,.
Urban ... "followed my heart and not my head"... "I should have recognized the red flags" " I did a poor job at media day"
Could have been a LOT worse..
In these situations, the votes are always going to be "unanimous". They have to
Maybe they ENDED UP with a unanimous vote, but you don't deliberate for 12 hours when Urban wasn't even in the room if everyone was working for this result. This resting on Drake looks real plausible to me.
What's the old saying ?
That which does not kill you, only serves to make you stronger. Make lemonade. I accept this penalty and am ready to move forward as a loyal fan.
No point in negatives. Supporting your team.
Buckeyes will be ok
Students are rioting on campus rn
"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller
Fuck you Ohio State for not doing what is right and for not reinstating Meyer with no suspension. OSU cowered.
OSU doesn't deserve Meyer. Whoever voted for this is a disgrace.
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
I love Urban.. But based on what I just heard he didn't report anything accurately and his media day meshup was pretty bad.. 3 games is fair.
Will certainly be interesting to see how Day tailors the offense with Urban’s hands off the wheel for a couple weeks. Not that our offense is stagnant but it might be a blessing in disguise and opens Meyer’s eyes to modifying the offense to some new wrinkles.
Oh Hell yes ! 5 great RB and 9 great receivers. QB should hand off or pass effectively. 20+ QB runs is a bad bad idea.
How much longer will Drake be the President at The Ohio State University?
"I love football. I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes
Straight up admitted his loyalty to Bruce clouded his judgement. I respect that.
Edit: stupid autocorrect
That was a prepared statement. Not by Urban though.
Meyer is even admitting he completely mismanaged the Smith issue. Drake made the right decision. It's a tough one because there are a bunch of rabid fans who will hate him *no matter what he does*. I applaud him for doing right in the face of message board trolls endlessly criticizing him for making adult decisions
Urban F. Meyer, still the Best Damn Coach in College Football....Go Coach Meyer...Go Bucks
First time I have ever seen Urban look like a robot, and follow a speech to the letter. Disheartening to see this ...
Urban's hands were tied.. complete bullshit and he shouldn't have to suffer.. Gene should be the only one punished..on the other hand, players can breathe, recruits can breathe, and fans can breathe..March on!!
Urban looked pissed reading that bullshit statement
Urban is beyond PISSED.
Time to move on- glad it's over. You can tell it's taken a toll on him.
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
Meyer just said he fully accepts his suspension and takes full responsibility. If he’s moving on, we all should too.
He read a pre-written statement from some PR person or a lawyer. If he was really speaking his mind, it wouldn't be that cookie cutter statement meant to calm some of the dissent from the fans.
Based on what just happened because of an off-the-cuff statement, I'd be surprised if he didn't have all his statements pre-written from now on.
If you think Shelly isn't getting an earful tonight of Urban bitching about this you have clearly never been married. And she happy to listen and agree. In fact, within an hour Urban is gonna be the voice of reason while Shelly threatens bodily harm to Drake and the BoT, investigators, CS, ZS, etc...
Mr drake is not my president
in all seriousness though I hope Ryan day shows no mercy and runs up the score in all 3 games and then urban does the same.
Just glad this is all over
I spend the majority of my school day on 11W
Fucking horse shit !!!!
Good player's make the play's they're suppose to, great player's make the play's they're NOT !!!
This a total crock of shit!!!! So he talked to Gene, who is his superior, and Gene the AD never notified the compliance office so Urban is at fault to? Bullshit, if he told Gene that should have been enough!
"this is absolute fucking bullshit" - the great Bobby Knight
Now can someone please dissect this shit and use it to absolutely shred that fucking chode Bert mcfuckface and his compatriots into a flaming heap of fuck!
Urban is beyond pissed! I love that he gave the president a big Fuck you and didn't thank him or appreciate him or the BOT in any way!
Glad his still our coach with all that being said.
Michigan Fan: "We lose a long snapper and the whole team goes to shit!"
There are so many hilariously bad assumptions being made here, such as DOT and Drake "caved" to media pressure. Tell me what you're basing that off of
Off of everything we know and heard.
Exactly what I predicted. 6 games with time served. They weren’t going to let him go without giving the media some flesh. He’ll be back, focused and ready to go. I’m not sad, I’m happy we still have our coach.
You better believe the Ohio state university will never receive another penny from me. I can’t support any institution that crumbles in the face of adversity.
I will always support the players and coaches, but the higher ups can all fuck the right off.
Listen to the press conference. Urban failed to report accurately and his media day meshup got him here. 3 days is fair .. days ago i was terrified we were gonna lose urban for good. Let's accept this and move on. MJW did an outstanding job and also disproved a ton of brett mcmurphy's lies that urban knew about ALL of zach's shenanigans.
Fucking garbage. This is bullshit virtue signaling.
It does not sound like he technically violated any rules, but he did not do all he could. And he is being punished for that. And he admitted to not seeing red flags that he probably should have. Does not seem to crazy of a punishment really.
ive been saying this and been getting hammered for it.. 3 games is fair especially considering the media optics. Urban did OKAY.. but he could've done better.. then his media day meshup sent things spiraling downhill.
I am actually pleased it is three and not 6. It is a quarter of the season, and that blows. But it is better than losing him or anything else. I would have preferred no suspension, but I was happy I was wrong about him being axed.
I agree. I thought she laid out the findings pretty well. Nothing egregious, but definitely things that could have been better.
They keep saying he didn't handle it as well as he should have, yet they haven't ONCE offered up a possible way that he could have done things better. I don't get it.
The big thing is that neither of them reported it to the compliance office. And it sounds like he did not see the signs of Smith with more minor infractions over time.
Did you hear Gene directly answer that it was his job to notify compliance, not Urban? So why was that mentioned as if it was Urban’s fault compliance wasn’t notified.
My feed cut a few times during the Q&A. I am honestly not sure why he is not getting a much bigger punishment than Meyer. I could see it being Meyer's job to tell Smith if he knew first. And they both would have a duty to inform compliance. But it seems like GS should bare more of the responsibility.
It could be the reason Meyer looked mad during the situation. That said, it seems like a short suspension was warranted. As much as it hurts me to say. Although a one or two would have been better.
Not trying to argue just honestly want to know. If Urban reported to Gene and he didn’t pass it up that’s on Gene not Urban. Mary Jo White said that Urban knew about 2015 and the investigation and monitored the police and went with them, but they Believe he should have done more. So now Urban is getting suspended because someone believes that even though the police said nothing here he should have done more. He is a football coach not a detective, so what do you think warrants this suspension?
"Other than their misunderstanding of the requirements triggering reporting obligations, neither Coach Meyer nor Athletic Director Smith violated any policy, rules, law or contractual obligation in connection with the alleged domestic abuse claims against Zach Smith."
So what's Gene's punishment then?
Seems like they ruled it should have been reported to the compliance office. At least that is what Mary Jo said.
Simply put, the issue at hand involved a female. Automatic punishment regardless in 2018.
This is a sad but true statement! It doesn't matter if the allegations are true, or if you ruin some mans life, or if by law in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. Simply put in today's America if a woman or minority feels wronged then action must be taken or the social justice mob and reactionary media will bury you. Because in the world of social media if allegations are made you are guilty until proven innocent! Just look at how ESPN is reporting right now, they are still saying that a woman was abused (which no one has produced proof of) and Urban knew and didnt do enough. But what did Urban actually know? He knew there were allegations, he and Gene went to the police who were investigating the allegations of DV, and turned up no actionable evidence and no charges. Also they say he shouldve went to compliance, this may be true, however he was made aware of this by his superior so at that point he was working with his boss on the situation. Also if Gene knew already, it was Gene's responsibility to inform compliance. Also the talking heads at ESPN are still pushing the Urban lied narrative when its been plainly stated he was denying knowledge of the false statements in McMurphys BS report stating that Zack had been arrested and charged which is in fact false, so in all actuality McMurphy is the liar because he wrote a story with false statements and then made unethical and unprofessional edits to said story and came after Urban as a liar because his wording was vague and made him an easy target. I hate this! If any action should have been taken at this point I feel that Gene Smith's suspension should have been enough because compliance wasn't informed and as the superior in the situation that falls on him. There was no other wrong doing other than that, so I feel that Urban's suspension was not warranted and was an overreaction to appease the media and the mob of opinion reactionists in today's social media society. I am saddened that the University felt it more important to placate to public opinion than to follow the letter of the law.
I say this having served this country, and I love my country, but its things like this that weaken our society and country as a whole. When a person, man or woman, can be punished for the alleged actions of others when they have not actually done anything wrong, and their is no actual proof of wrong doing on their part because of the opinions of others it tears at the fabric of what this country was founded. A major belief among our founders was that a person is innocent unti proven guilty! That a man could not be punished without facts to show beyond reasonable doubt that he is guilty! Somehow we have forgotten this very important thing as a Nation and now if the mob calls for blood, blood must be delivered facts be damned! This harkens back to the Dark ages where proof didn't matter, justice was whatever the King said it was and the people where at the mercy of a so called noblemans whims! This is not how our country defines justice, or how our justice system is supposed to work! Yet somehow this is where we find ourselves. And if you are a person who tries ti stand up for these basic ideals which we are afforded by our constitution and our Bill of Rights you are attacked by the mob and the media as a victim shamer, a fascist, a racist, a Nazi and many other distasteful things. Somehow it is perfectly ok to say these things about people who simply want things to be handled in the proper way instead of listening to the opinions of those who dont know all the facts!
As stated I love my country, I served and was willing to give my life for it if need be. I am ashamed however that our society has moved to a point where doing the PC thing or what "appears" to be right has replace doing what actually is right! Our country is weaker for it, and worse for it!
If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff
It looked as though Urban fought trying say fuck off. Gene had the ultimate responsibility.
Meyer is so pissed he can barely speak.
Do you blame him? He really looked comfortable when he said I support our president. I think there will now be a big break in trust between Urban and the higher ups.
11 Warriors should make up a T-Shirt that says "Fire Drake the lying snake" and donate the proceeds to a domestic violence charity. I'd buy one for damn sure.
I didn't know much about president Drake before, but now I know enough to realize he's a complete joke.
Urban looked like he was forced into reading that crock of shit
Noon games suck
I was thinking the same thing..it didn't sound genuine..
He might as well just said "I'm just here so I don't get fined. "
About what I excpected. Glad we can move on. Beat Oregon St.
Garbage ... Hot garbage.
Drake wanted this. Not the Board.
I feel bad for Corch.
Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye
Tell me what you're basing that off. Were you at the meeting? Please tell us more
Credentialed media reports, local and national (Dave Biddle, CBS and Dom Tiberi, WBNS).
Here's Biddle's tweet, and I'm unable to find Tiberi's mention at this time.
CliffsNotes version (from what I've been told): Ohio State's BoT wants to reinstate Urban Meyer immediately. University president Michael Drake is balking at that; wants Meyer to serve a suspension. Meyer refuses to serve suspension since he thinks he did nothing wrong. #Buckeyes
— Dave Biddle (@davebiddle) August 22, 2018
I didn't pull this out of my ass.
My mistake. Clay Hall (WSYX, Channel 6) and not Dom.
Both @claywsyx6 and @davebiddle are reporting the hold up is due to Ohio State president Drake pushing for a suspension of Urban Meyer while the Board of Trustees opposes that.
— Eleven Warriors (@11W) August 22, 2018
You guys seem to be a LOT more trusting of the media when they push stories that align with your own beliefs
Caved to media coverage. Now they have to pay CS to go away. There were no charges filed by the police. This is setting a dangerous precedent for work place justice.
They got their little bow down to public pressure for no reason
UFM will be looking for the door after this. I hope not, but if I was him, I would be. He owes no one nothing. And I wonder how any good coach would look at taking over that position. It looks like they threw him under the bus for the PC crowd.
Horse hockey. They should have gone all or nothing. The man either did nothing wrong like we all know or he did everything wrong. This B.S. won't fly. Won't be surprised if they can him in the end.
Man Urban seems exhausted and frustrated.
He apparently was sitting in a waiting room for quite a while. I would be pissed about that alone.
Does he get to be at practice? Or no contact?
Not clear on that but I assume not.
Report said suspended until September 2nd. And then for the first 3 games.
Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win.
Grow the stash back and go out recruiting for 3 weeks.
Thanks, sounds like he can do everything but game day coach at that point then. I assume that means the three games include the Oregon State game? How you have that worded makes it seem he is not back until PSU. If he is out through the second that includes the Oregon State Game right and then three games or is it three games total?
Made it seem like he can be at practices after the Oregon state game. But can’t coach until Tulane.
Yes. I read that he can be on the practice field so this isn’t totally terrible I guess. Failing to report an incident to compliance is a huge no-no. 3 games is a lot, but we’ll get through it.
I’m sure this won’t be popular opinion, but after the lead investigator explained exactly what pieces they were looking for, the punishment makes more sense.
honestly I’m just glad he will be back at all. Go bucks!
ps... six weeks to game plan for penn state? They’re fucked
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
I understand what you are saying, but Gene Smith says it was his job not Urbans to report to compliance. So that seemed to be a big part of this and I don’t understand how something that is not your job can be held against you.
I probably should’ve been less hasty about posting and more clear.
i think the punishment is complete horse shit, but once it was explained exactly what they were looking for, to me, it makes sense that they did seek the suspension. They were trying to figure out if coach misrepresented himself or the school, and if that’s what they were looking for, then it’s pretty easy to see they could’ve made an argument for that narrative even if it is bullshit.
Just rewatched Mary Jo White and her points were that Urban knew about 2015 and went with the police reports but they Believe he should have done more whatever that means. I gues we should fire everyone who is investigated even if the police clear them. She also said he and Gene failed to report to compliance, but even Gene admitted it was his job not Urbans. The committee also determined that he did not lie at media days, but was answering the erroneous media report that Zach Smith had been arrested for DV. So please tell me how it is easy to see how they could have made an argument for what they did. It’s all PC bullshit.
You are hearing what you want to hear. She clearly said he did not intentionally lie but his statements were inaccurate.
My 2 cents: I'm glad he's still going to be coach, but I have to believe that this may cause him to retire/resign earlier than he otherwise might have. I think he may be thinking he would like to end his career on HIS terms, not some "committee's" terms.
Is Urban completely out or is allowed to coach practice and recruit?
and this is total bullshit and a way to make him look guilty for doing nothing wrong and that the school only cares about winning.
No block O on Urban’s jacket - telling.
Drake looks like a fool in many ways. Starve him out in terms of donations to this shit show. It’s clear Smith is the fall guy and Urban is taking a political hit...
Welp, we get Urban for another year til he heads to ND. They'll pay the buyout without hesitation. Thanks to the cowardly BoT and president for ruining a potentially unprecedented era in tOSU's history.
So what exactly did urban do to deserve the suspension? Report the allegation to Gene but not compliance? When there is no arrest???
Ohio State handled this perfectly
Forgot the italics.
I dunno. You’d have to look pretty hard to find a sound bite in that presser that makes the university look bad to those outside.
I didn’t look hard and found one quickly. When Mary Jo White said that Urban and Gene went with the police reports but the committee (Believed) they should have done more, that’s code for we don’t care if you did the right thing the PC world we live in demands it’s pound of flesh. That makes the university look bad in my eyes, but maybe it’s just me.
Not happy about it. But is was text book. You come at cbus and we’ll show you how it’s done. All headlines on other sites are apologetic and remorseful. And we’re going to win every game.
Go for 3.
Sounds more like they're trying to appease the media, bowing down to public pressure more than anything. Although, I think this move does neither, instead just inflaming the issue.
You all are pissed Urban is suspended.
All non Ohio State fans on /r/CFB is pissed that Urban isn't fired.
amazing the differing perspectives here.
That place is a cesspool. They have no interest in facts and aggressively censor anything contra to their desired narrative. They deleted all threads discussing McMurphy's attempts to clandestinely revise his story.
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I doubt it. You have Urban haters. And then you have ESPN grandstanding pundits. Nobody listens to those fools anymore. Everyone knows most journalist don't even believe the BS that comes out of their mouth. When I think of journalist I think of South Park and throwing up turds....
Regarding Drake, I've been a Trustee on a 20 member board for a professional organization and I can assure you, there are always 3 people on a board who will not see things the way the other 17 do. It won't matter the facts or the logic or how long you talk to them, they will have their own perfect sensibility about an issue which they believe is superior to everyone else's viewpoint. So before solely blaming Drake for the suspensions, I want to hear the BOT report I want to know what they are basing these suspensions on. I really do doubt it was just him.
If Drake pushed the suspension, either he or Urban quits in the next year or two. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Urban walk if the Buckeyes win the NC this year.
I'd love to see that happen. They win the Natty and then Urban says I'm going to Notre Dame... Cya...
What a fucking joke. I am disappointed once again in my alma mater. They just totally caved to perception and pubic opinion, they are far too weak to take an actual stand on principal. With this action tonight, and specifically the words they used, they just created a very untenable situation for themselves going forward. Going forward as of right now, it is more important to OSU employees to tell the entire truth - even confidential information - when asked by the press. So any OSU employee - next time you are asked a question you don't think you can answer, you just better tell everything otherwise you will be suspended. And hearing Drake the moron trying to speak is just painful. How the fuck did that idiot ever get his job, let alone still have it? He has fucked up every turn he makes. He is a terrible speaker, trips over his words, and is an embarrassment to the university. He's stuttering and stammering trying to say positive things about Urban and Gene while trying to make shit up why they are being suspended. My God what a pussified world we live in. Somehow bosses are supposed to be better equipped to assess legal situations than the police and the courts. Makes no fucking sense, like the rest of this pile of horseshit.
Well...that was painful.
Time to move on and fully get behind our team.
Ohio Against The World!
I am dumbfounded that academic people think waiting for the police to do an investigation is the wrong move. They are the police; they police. You are educators, you educate. You're not the secret police as well. Crazy.
Elitesmithie you are making way too much sense. I thought all along that it was the most responsible thing to do. If the police believe their was wrong doing you take action. If they don't you wait. They actually have detectives and investigators. Not sure what more compliance could have done that the police didn't.
I think what they are really saying is that He should have fired Zach to protect the brand. Truth doesn't matter only optics. And they are finding Urban at fault for not doing that.
What a joke. Can you imagine Alabama doing this to Saban?
ehhhh. that was strong statement. he was not aware of texts...ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I can't wait to hear details behind this decision, but it's hard not to imagine that it's B.S. in one direction or another.
If Meyer covered up abuse and didn't follow policy, he should be fired rather than suspended, but my guess is that this isn't what happened (or he would have been fired).
If Meyer technically followed the rules but exercised poor judgment in not getting rid of Zach Smith sooner owing to a pattern of bad behavior, AND/OR, if Meyer only exercised poor communication on Big Ten Media Day, this is overly punitive.
EITHER WAY, Drake is a total moron if he doesn't EXPLAIN HIS DECISION ASAP, because the talking heads in the media are ALREADY presuming that Meyer is being suspended for knowingly enabling abuse.
If that's not the case, then Drake is unnecessarily making the university and Meyer look bad, which would seem to go against the whole point of a suspension.
He should be in front of a microphone NOW emphasizing that there was no wrongdoing, but merely a degree of bad judgment and/or poor communication, and 3 weeks suspension, on top of time served, is a reflection that Ohio State has the highest possible standards.
Right now, Drake's idiotic silence is making it looking like he, Smith, and Myer are ALL covering up abuse.
I bet he gets 3 games
3 games seems to be overkill in my opinion.
Urban looked pissed to the limit.
Buddy of mine doesn’t like urban, but said it’s bullshit...Alabama would never suspend Saban.
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Ok, before I make any more comments, I have not seen or heard the press conference. I obviously haven't read the report since it isn't available yet.
Can I get some clarity on this? Gene and Urban did not report the allegations of domestic violence they heard to the compliance officer?
Not Urbans job, Gene even stated it was his job not Urbans to report to compliance.
Just watched Urban's statement. For those saying bullshit, he basically took responsibility for not following through and for misleading presser and he said he fully accepts the punishment. This is why you don't type a reactionary "bullshit" without full information.
Sounds like coach is moving on. We all should do the same.
On to Oregon State.
You obviously don't read body language well. Pretty sure he was told to read that statement. I don't think Urban believes half of what he said. The idea that Urban should be investigating situations beyond what the police to is crazy. I do like the part though where he read that he should have seen more of the warning signs. Keep in mind I think we are talking about things like infidelity and porn. I don't think he is referring to the alleged domestic abuse. I still don't think anyone really knows what happened there. Hence the carefully crafted statement that essentially does not mention courtney or zach. My guess is that they don't want to get sucked into anymore of their drama. And I'm sure there will be more drama.
President Drake, please enroll in one of the public speaking courses that OSU offers ASAP.
Dude if you think those were his words and not some b.s he was told to say you're f'ing delusional. He was clearly pissed off.
While I dont think he did everything right I dont think he deserved a suspension. Clearly he didnt as well. Lets not forget that we were in this situation because of a crazy lunatic and some piss poor journalism. This had nothing to do with Urban and everything to do with the media being out for blood.
Well the media is going to feast on this all year with ever game’s press conference. Time to go into Belicheck mode. Answer football questions in one sentence (or one word) and move on from any non football questions. Have people think you are an asshole and dullard and just WIN
Urb I think has a friendship with Belicheck. He needs to have some coffee with him one day and just ask him how exactly he approaches the media. Cause I agree. He just needs to be like Belicheck now. One line answers and say nothing more. Or he could just say F it I'm going full bob knight
Urban can coach the team in what..10 days? Not during games til week 4 I get that but they said he can return to the team Sept. 2nd. That's a pretty big thing that got swept under the rug.
Huge. When Ryan Day answers his mobile on the sideline on a 4th and 1 during TCU game... you know.
It hurts on game days but he apparently can help game plan and the like. Which is something. I missed this though, I assumed he could do nothing.
Looks like I got it exactly right on my 3-game suspension prediction but at least Urbz is still the head coach. OSU will come out of this much stronger going forward. Looking ahead to game one kick off.
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
at least the drama is over. Let they naysayers spew their trash.
we BUCKEYE fans can at least move on!
Look out 2018 opponents, here we come!
16-2 is SWEET!
This is total BS and Drake is the one behind this and I hope they fire Drake and Gen they both need to go. This means he is out for 6 weeks for following the rules and reporting it. I lost any respect I had for OSU for doing this horse Shit to Urban. This just so wrong on ever level. I would not plan Urban if he told them to Take this job and shove and walk away.
That mean he will not be there for the TCU game which is going to be Day and I have a feeling that game is a loose with Day. I would rather see the former Ind or Ruters couch that on Staff couch that game. They both have had Head Couching jobs before and did good jobs.
Hell the former Ind couch took OUS into the 4th quarter not that long ago against us. Day has only ever been a QB couch as far as I know . This as been nothing but a witch hunt by the Media all along and Drake caved in because he does not have the first clue what the well he is doing.
I would not blame Urban if he sued OSU for this BS. I know I would and Urban can not be happy about this, What are they going to give this lieing bitch a pay off now as well?
That’s over... this team is a beast. Can’t wait to see the product on the field.
It's time we all look forward. What's done has been done and nothing is going to change that fact. The Buckeyes are in great hands until Coach Meyer returns and the potential for a great year is at hand. Go Bucks!
Well.....at least they got this thing done before kickoff and the investigation didn’t drag into the season. Stick a fork in this ordeal. I’m ready for some football regardless of who is coaching.
ESPN is tugging on the Courtney Smith string. How does no one do the proper research to this relationship before making Urban the victim???!????
If I hear someone on ESPN call CS a "victim" again before the ZS has his day in court, my head may explode!!!
This! Fuck ESPN. They roasted Urban tonight because he didn’t seem genuinely sorry - maybe he didn’t feel sorry because he didn’t do anything wrong!
Let's get to some football now. I think the Bucks use this as incentive, and get to 3-0 in dominating fashion.
There better be some real fucking retracted statements when this all comes out. Unreal.
This is barely the tip of the shit show ice berg. Just wait until Courtney and Zach go to court and more TMZ like classless drama unfolds while they drag the university through it with them. Dreading it - going to be a long year with this constant background. Wish we’d canned Smith in 2015 and spared the misery.
Calm down people.
There was going to be a shit show no matter the decision. As President Drake properly said there was no decision that would please everyone.
As for the fallout of this, it's miniscule. The team is humming along and only has to worry about Oregon State. Urban can't be at the games, but he will definitely be part of the training and game planning for Rutgers and TCU. All Ryan Day has to do is execute the game plans.
Much ado about nothing. Let the media whine and let the games begin!
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
There we go...Kirk hit on the "accusation" and police aspect.
Trying to decide where that ranks on the “worst press conferences of all time” list. It’s up there. Literally everyone outside of the OSU fan base thought that was a charade. Not a good look. The OSU fan base is clinically insane. Embarrassed as an alum.
Who gives a f—- how Ohio State haters feel about the press conference? You calling the fan base insane is embarrassing yourself, though.
I don't understand why some OSU fans give a shit about what other fanbases think.
I fail to understand this outrage that is making a large part of this fan base insufferable to hear from right now. For the life of me, I don't understand how anyone can say that Urban lying to the media in Chicago and, by his own admission, overlooking several red flags in Zach Smith's character due to his relationship with Earle Bruce, isn't grounds for a suspension.
White said investigators "did not determine that Urban Meyer deliberately lied" about the 2015 allegations against Zach Smith at Big Ten Media Days.
Did you miss that part?
Nope, and I believe the word she used to refer to the Zach Smith reports prior to media day was "erroneous." Urban confirmed that he was made aware of the restraining order before his press conference in Chicago. So, no, he didn't lie about not being aware of an arrest. Because there wasn't an arrest. White went on state, "but his answers swept more broadly than the falsely reported arrest, and Coach Meyer falsely stated he lacked knowledge of all relevant events regarding alleged domestic violence by Zach Smith in 2015." So, whether you want to engage in the classic "lying vs not being entirely forthcoming" debate, it is not debatable that he absolutely botched that press conference that got the ball rolling on this entire debacle. That warrants a suspension. But that's just my opinion.
So you saw that, and continued to type that he lied? OK then.
No, I saw that, heard White also say he falsely reported he had no knowledge of any relevant issues relating to the allegations, and decided that's the same thing as lying. Ok then.
And I don't understand why some people think Urban - or any other public citizen for that matter - is obligated to tell the whole truth to the media. It is perfectly acceptable to lie to the media, in fact some times it's required. They aren't the police, they aren't the courts, they are not entitled to privileged information just because they have a media credential.
I guess some think botching a press conference is worthy of a suspension. I'll be patiently waiting for Drake's punishment to be announced.
Drake's general incompetence is reason enough to fire him. He fumbled his opening remarks so badly I didn't even watch any more after that.
It was easy to see that Urban was angry, tired and frustrated by the time the ill-advised press conference started. Can't believe they went on with it. They should have waited a day. Everybody go home and think things over. Chill out and then come back refreshed. Also, when Drake extended his hand to Urban after for a handshake, that looked pretty cold as the coach almost ignored him. Just was a shit show basically, which the media ate up.
Again do you even know for sure that Zach bit Courtney? It is all BS. I agree maybe Urban missed red flags about Zach's poor character. But the investigation also seems to have strayed from the DV allegations to everything else from him having an affair to ordering sex toys. Again not sure that is any of Urban's business either. The whole suspension is then largely predicated on the idea that Urban Meyer failed to protect the school from looking bad. Nobody has even determined whether or not DV actually occurred. Remember Courtney's mom doesn't believe Zach abused her. Lynn Bruce said she heard Courtney make all kinds of threats about taking everyone down just cause she was pissed at Zach.
We need to be honest. This is more about OSU being embarrassed and blaming Urban for not protecting the brand. So I dunno basically hindsight is 20-20. This is basically Monday quarterbacking. Urban missed a throw and so he needs to be suspended. It is a bit over the top as is the media's reaction to this.
I don't entirely disagree with everything you said, but go read the report in its entirety. The amount of second chances Urban gave Zach Smith is just baffling. In my opinion, you can actually take all of the DV stuff out of the entire equation and still be left wondering how the hell Zach Smith was still on staff in 2018. But, as we've always known, the answer to that is Earle Bruce.
Allowing ZS to visit strip clubs is foolish.
I apologize if this has already been stated but I really don't understand Drake's rationale for a 3 game suspension. The only thing that would have satisfied the media and the haters would be firing Urban. Since that was off the table, why the 3 game suspension? The PR impact will be the same or worse as a 'time served' immediate reinstatement decision because now you are admitting Urban did something wrong. The only thing, based on what we know so far, is that Gene fucked up.
“A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone.” - Tyrion Lannister
All the headlines on other sites are apologetic and remorseful. It’s a good look. Not saying I like it. But this was handled text book and we have our coach.
Give it a couple of days, especially after the MSM starts to dissect the committee's report.
I guess I can be relieved that this saga is over and Urban is still going to be the head coach going forward. OSU has proven in the past that it is not afraid to fire a coach...they fired their last 4 coaches (not counting Luke Fickell's interim year), all CFB HOFers. At least Urban won't be the 5th straight, for the time being.
But the fact that Urban was even suspended at all is complete bullshit. If anyone should be fired, it should be Gene Smith.
Relying on law enforcement is not adequate? Then what is, old hag? Firing people over allegations? Good luck with that wrongful termination lawsuit. Maybe they should've have just thrown Zach and Courtney Smith in a van, taken them to the Woody and forced both of them to take a polygraph test. I just wonder if they really believe that or if that was just a justification for the suspension that SJW asshat Drake wanted. Send him back to Crapifornia and take Gene Smith with him.
Class of 2010.
According to the title 9 Dear Colleague letter (since thrown out by executive order of Trump but Basis for OSU’s policy), failure to prosecute or investigate by police or DA does not absolve the university from responsibility to investigate.
This occurred long before title 9.................
Ridiculous. Hopefully, going forward Coach Meyer’s love for the University will outweigh his resentment at this cowardly episode. Half of the stupidity is driven by the SJW scourge, but the other half is people falling on their swords because they don’t want to state publicly that Courtney Smith is a lunatic. If every head coach were suspended for not firing young assistants that were doing inappropriate things off the clock, half of them would be on suspension on a regular basis.
LMFAO....ESECPN saying slap on the wrist, saying the evidence says he should have been fired....as expected.
Who gives a f—- what they say? Time for this loaded Buckeyes team to go 1980s Miami Hurricanes on the college football world . . . without all the dancing and taunting, of course, but definitely with a healthy dose of that 80s Hurricanes don’t-give-a-f—- mentality.
Wow ESPN has gone all in.
"Brett did a terrific job at reporting the story" - Rece Davis
I’ve never been a big ESPN fan, so maybe it’s actually refreshing that Rece/ESPN are admitting that their standard of “journalism” is trashy prurient tabloid garbage that is only published to get clicks, without substantive value, and without any consideration of kids who might be impacted by the trash purveying. Good job coming clean, ESPN!
Looks like he’s not letting this go. It’s going to be interesting to see why the form was revised... Coukd be nothing, could be troubling. Either way, any hopes that this story was over are misplaced.
Here is a copy of the original 2015 Powell (Ohio) Police incident report that indicates Zach Smith was arrested on Oct. 26, 2015. Powell police officials told me that document was changed & revised 3 years later https://t.co/fcxi8GKyeI
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) August 23, 2018
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
He wants his pound of flesh.
I actually agree. I think he’s going to keep digging and digging and publishing anything negative he can until he gets Meyer fired. I think that is his end game. It’s sad, but the final resolution won’t come until all of the junk from a clearly toxic marriage begins coming out during proceedings, if it ever does.
LMFAO how can something that happened less than 3 years ago have been revised 3 years later? Whoever this dude is he has gone totally off the cliff he was dangling from.
He’s just butthurt that even the SJW lead investigator stated for the record that McMurphy’s report that Zach Smith was arrested in 2015 was erroneous.
I thought that dickjaw didn’t have any more info? My God is he a sleaze ball.
Posted August 22nd? Where was this when he first "broke" the story? Did he only receive it after last night's decision was announced? I'm smellin' a rat here.
He doesn't have to release anything at any appointed time. I fully expect him to continue to dig and continue to drop stories and information re: Smith, Meyer, and OSU until he causes enough of a problem for Meyer to leave. I was expecting he to report something either today or tomorrow for the news dump, then again on September 2 upon Urban's return to the program, and then again on the eve of his return to the sidelines.
I'm saddened that he has been suspended, but at least he is still our coach.
It's a bad day to be a Tulane football player.
And Toledo still sucks.
ESPN praising Mc Murphy 's "doggedly reporting' , saying (sic) otherwise this would never have been revealed. Rece Davis very negative saying Urban had a chance here to make a statement --basically donating $$ to a fund for DV. 315 Comments
I said what Reece said about donating and got DV’d off the planet.
Awesome another MeToo speaker on big 10 network. Zach Smith may be a bad person, husband and all that, but to accuse someone of being a domestic abuser when there are limited facts and no charges pressed is just ugly.
It honestly disgusts me that the media has decided to double down on this after the press conference even before seeing the full report. These people are absolutely certain that Zach Smith is entirely guilty and that Urban knew everything about it despite the fact that Zach was never charged or even arrested.
I keep hearing them say guilty in the court of law is not the level this should go before reporting, which I totally agree with. The problem is that standard of proof is entirely different for actually making an arrest in the state of Ohio for DV. If the police see any evidence DV has taken place, they have to make an arrest. They are not allowed to just walk away if the wife (or husband) doesn't want to press charges. This simply didn't happen at any point during the time Zach Smith was employed by OSU despite the fact that the police were called many times. Why are the media so certain that the police were wrong every single time?
Isn't it interesting that ESPN isn't going after the police department. Why isn't ESPN demanding that the police do MORE? I'm sorry but the police department investigated and that should have been enough for everyone. Urban did nothing wrong.
We get our innocent coach back after he satisfies the little weasel’s penalty.
Meyer made it quite clear that he didn’t write the statement he was forced to read. If you couldn’t read his body language, you need to get your eyes checked.
The players and recruits are jacked because they get their coach back.
We should now get to see practice video and player interviews moving forward.
Glad this circus is in the rear view mirror now. Let’s go kick some butt boys!
I would be surprised if they opened practices up again to any great extent. First, we are into game-prep time. Second, thanks to guys like McMurphy, I'd not blame the team for taking a, "screw you all", approach for the foreseeable future.
Folks this isn't going away anytime soon. I urge everyone to stay away from every sports media channel and outlet not named 11w. It's gonna continue to be ugly. ESECPN still touting McMurphy as a great reporter.
McMurphy just dumped a bunch more things out there...lets hope they are all in the investigative teams report. IT'S NOT OVER....
Let me guess, he "didn't hold onto these things either, just waiting for clearance from his lawyers".
What he is doing is grabbing bits and pieces of the investigative report to make urban look bad. But he is doing so by grabbing 1 or 2 lines of a 15 line paragraph..
Such as he grabs just this
"AD Smith, who was generally aware of Zach Smith’s performance issues during this time period, suggested that Coach Meyer consider replacing him; Coach Meyer decided not to do so."
But the whole section is this
"During and after his divorce proceedings in 2015 and early 2016,3 Zach Smith’s job performance suffered, and he was regularly late to practice and workouts; on other occasions, Zach Smith failed to appear at scheduled recruiting visits at various high schools, despite reporting internally that he had; Coach Meyer was made aware of these issues and Zach Smith recalls that Meyer warned him that if he continued to be late and otherwise unreliable, he would be fired; AD Smith, who was generally aware of Zach Smith’s performance issues during this time period, suggested that Coach Meyer consider replacing him; Coach Meyer decided not to do so."
Once I got sick of listening to those morons on ESPN, I flipped over to B1G Network and they were just as bad.
Tomorrow morning Bruce Hooley is going to be horrible too. Guaranteed.
Once I got sick of listening to those morons on ESPN, I flipped over to B1G Network and they were just as bad.
Exactly what I have been saying all along. It's not an ESPN thing(EVERY sports outlet is roasting OSU), its an indication of where the media as a whole is going...and it has nothing to do with news and everything to do with maximizing ratings.
So fed up with ESPN I would ban them from every home sporting event I could. KISS MY
So fed up with ESPN I would ban them from every home sporting event I could. KISS MY
Why aren't you mad at Fox, Yahoo, SI, BTN, CBS, bloggers, etc? They are ALL saying the same thing. If you went somewhere other than ESPN to get your news, you would see it isn't just them.
What a complete clown show. If you're going to suspend your head coach and AD for a short period and your summary report essentially says they "didn't live up to the standards of the University", you should've fired both of them. Otherwise, don't take any action at all. Now, you end up pleasing no one, and looking like a complete cluster f*ck. You're essentially admitting that they underperformed morally but because they over performed on the field, you'll "compromise". trying to please everyone is pleasing no one. Cowardly and indecisive.
Can finally get a decent night sleep now.
Prediction: if Zack Smith gets cleared at his September hearing, Ohio State lifts Urban’s game suspension.
Remember, when that hearing got postponed, CS’s reputation as victim stayed intact, and ZS could not get cleared before the season.
Ohio State, under no circumstances, could risk a public attack on someone that a court may determine is a victim. Will be interesting to see how OSU investigation characterized CS. Gently I imagine...
amgry team. Thumbs up
I have to return some videotapes
"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." -Wayne Woodrow Hayes
Anyone notice how ESPN has brought on like three or four lightweights that have been ripping into Ohio State. I've literally never even seen some of these people before. ESPN really has it out for Ohio State. Again their basis of criticism all revolves around the idea that Courtney is indeed a victim. How the heck are they so sure about that? I'm certainly not convinced. They really are out to get OSU.
All of this goes to show why you don't hire friends or even worse family of friends. Brings in too many variables that complicate discipline.
Read the whole report. Agree with suspension....kinda surprised he still has a job.
Definitely agree with the suspension. Some parts of the report seem really bad, others not so much. The suspension seems right.
I think it comes down to Meyer made a LOT of bad decisions regarding the entire Zach Smith timeline. His loyalty to Earle Bruce blinded him. If he would have reported everything then Smith would have been fired many years ago..or never hired.
Meyer needs to show major changes in the future to repair his reputation even a little. This is going to be ugly for quite some time longer. I have a bad feeling this isn't over just yet. Media members are still calling for him to be fired and they are not satisfied with this decision.They are still treating McMurphy as the greatest reporter in history. Will be interesting to see if Ohio State sticks by their decision or rethinks it all. Don't think we are out of the woods yet as far Meyer coaching at Ohio State again.
I couldn't agree more. Continually giving Zach Smith the benefit of the doubt is why he is in this position. If the university wants to be taken seriously from here on out they need to stick to the decision they made and not give in to outside pressure.
I can see the national media taking their shots for the rest of the week and maybe into next week, but once football actually starts I think this story starts to die down (I hope anyway). Plus, Maryland should be releasing information on their findings soon and I am also not sure why the Wisconsin story isn't getting more attention.
Been a season ticket owner since 1980. Would not cross the street to support this place now. What a bunch of crap. Nothing but a witch hunt.
I'll buy your season tickets from you if you're selling...at least your tickets to The Game.
"Anything easy ain't worth a damn" - Woody Hayes
For all the #FireDrake takes. If he works for the BoT, do people really believe that the BoT were all for no suspension, with Drake the lone holdout. I don’t!!!
Drake seems to be the easy scapegoat! For all the #fire somebody takes, there’s seem to be a “splitting of hairs” when Meyer’s role and actions come into play. Read the report!
I’ve literally seen it said that Gene knowing what he did, SHOULD’VE been the one to TELL Meyer to fire ZS. Uh okay!
As I mentioned a few days ago, it’s like the military - you can be found innocent of the main charge, but you’ll always be hit with, “conduct unbecoming”. The university had to do “something” in order to show that it “did something”. Yes it’s redundant, but welcome to the court of public opinion. Remember, this is “university”, not merely “football”. Can’t have the parents of prospective non-athlete students saying, “You are not getting MY child!”
So Meyer gets a manageable punishment, and the university will spent the next year drafting up new processes to deal with this type of issueOverall, this was probably the most sane outcome the trustees and Drake could agree on. As for Meyer saying, “Screw it, I’m gome”, don’t hold your breath. He set up a solid program here. This isn’t the time to cut and run.
...sorry for the typos - composed when I wasn't wearing my glasses :(
I’m a 1967 graduate of TOSU college of Business. I managed a workforce of as many as 600 people and was a manager for over 20 years in Labor Relations and HR! This whole witch hunt is a farce and I will no longer be sending my yearly gift! When Mr Drake and Mrs Wexnet are no longer involved I will return to my volunteering and gift giving!
I don’t want to say something that’s already been said 100 times, so I will go with the less obvious: This crap is all our fault. This politically correct to the level of insanity atmosphere, our colleges culture, our all our kids get a trophy for participation, our kids get to decide their gender ( this one is child abuse), there are 100 genders, etc., etc. The sane among us, sit back and are letting this happen, so we shouldn’t be surprised by any of this. I am just as guilty, in case you were wondering. If you don’t like where this is all going, we have to do something about it or it will continue to get worse and it will continue to be our fault.
Ok, gang, here's a link to a cleveland.com story, which has a link to the findings by the investigative team. Good reading:
My first thought is, Smith should have been fired in 2015, when his job performance went into the toilet. No surprise, that's when OSU's passing numbers took a nose dive as well.
Second, the findings, and vague language in Meyer's contract of, "can be fired for cause", gave an opening for the suspension. My take is, just get it over with and move on.
...and with that, I am DONE reading about this. On to actual news about the team.
In case you guys were wondering how the mainstream news outlets are playing this, here is CNN's front-page opinion piece. Pretty brutal.
This right here is why I believe that Meyer never coaches another game at Ohio State. This isn't going away. There will be another BoT meeting within the suspension time-frame where they change their decision and fire him. It will SUCK but definitely think it's going to happen.
This is more a personal agenda piece than anything worth reading, especially considering this nugget:
Look, if you're paying a coach $8 million a year to run a business—because that's what Ohio State football is—you expect him to know every last thing about that business, and everything that could potentially harm that business.
A) He's not being paid $8 million a year, and B) Is the author suggesting Steve Jobs, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, Bill Gates, etc. all know or knew everything that's going in within their companies...everything? I mean, they get paid more than Meyer, so certainly they have a greater responsibility. Right? Right?!?! Fluff is fluff, whether good, bad, or indifferent.
As a counselor of over 20 years I have seen a lot. Recently a domestic abuse case in which a woman accused her boyfriend of assault for which he was arrested. After getting out of jail they came to me for counseling. She admitted she had assaulted him, he had defended himself, she then scratched herself stating it was his doing to the police. The detectives got it wrong, acted in good faith but got it wrong. This is not an isolated incident in my experience. Most of these cases are not cut and dried. Relationships that are this volatile are usually quite messy, substance abuse is frequently involved. The theme from a female reporter on B10 Network last night, Jerry Dinardo and others all begin with the premise that if a woman indicates she is being abused she is to be believed. Domestic violence is a significant issue and it is very important to give support, hope and resources to victims of it. No argument. To begin with the premise that what the female is saying is absolutely true does not jive with my experience in the field. Based on this outcome it appears that the current societal focus on the issue and the passion behind it are driving the discussion and Urban (who did make some errors my view) got caught up in the current societal theme. So based on Dinardo, (forgot the female reports name) etc. not only is he a football coach, administrator of coaches, leader of a program etc, he is also a detective, investigator, judge and jury. If someone says a coach did something illegal even though there were no charges filed that statement is to follow that person for the rest of their lives. Innocent until proven guilty? Not anymore.
This is exactly what I expected to happen, from a HR/business perspective this was a nightmare with no arrests and charges. However The Ohio State University was been tried in the court of public opinion and they had to do something to appease the lynch mob circling around the football program. Urban is guilty of bringing on a bum from Florida that he should have cut ties with, but he is human and had loyalties to Bruce that ended up costing him 3 games and a lot of heartache.
No one truly knows what went on in the Smith's home despite what the media claims, and Courtney needed to press charges. Unfortunately for battered women everywhere that isn't always enough. Courtney also seems to have some issues herself when her own mother is questioning her motives. Two screwed up people, a screwed up marriage and leadership who at the least should have fired this guy no matter who he was related to. None of that seems to be something you fire the head coach for but hopefully it makes his judgement on these kind of issues better in the future.
BrutusBuckeye95 - Champions bleed scarlet and gray
I’m trying to imagine what it’s like to be urban Meyer. Not just today, but every day. He is responsible for recruiting players and assistant coaches. He is responsible for supervising the coaching of nine different groups of players on the team. He is responsible for checking on the welfare of his players and making sure they’re engaged in the University and that they’re making good decisions in their personal lives. In addition to that, he’s expected to manage the perceptions of The board of trustees, the alumni, the public, and the media. He’s expected to win every football game every Saturday throughout the season, and most of the time, he’s expected to win by a wide margin. He’s expected to win a national championship from amongst 125 competing teams every few years. He’s expected to win the conference championship every year.
Now, in spite of all this, he is expected to monitor the personal lives of his assistant coaching staff and is required to pass along unsubstantiated concerns about their behavior to certain personnel in the system who are responsible for such matters. He apparently is required by law to do this even though the concerns are already being handled by local law-enforcement
The only shame and the only scandal in this matter is the degree to which Urban Meyer is being attacked solely because of the fact that he is a very successful football coach.
It is as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning that great individuals are always attacked. They are attacked by jealous rivals they are attacked by detractors, and mostly they are attacked by parasites who make their living attacking individuals who have accomplished more in a day than the parasites will accomplish in an entire lifetime.
Don Henley said it best in his song, “dirty laundry “way back in the 1980s. Trash is king, and what we are saying is no more than a reflection of a very sick culture.
My heart goes out to Urban Meyer and his family. I can only give them this encouragement from 13th century Buddhist priest Nichiren :
”You should summon up the courage of a lion and never succumb to threats from anyone ....Slanderers are like howling jackals...”
Let the jackals howl. The lion in Columbus will be roaring very soon. Best of luck to Urban Meyer and the Ohio State Buckeyes!
3 game suspension... that will stop domestic violence for good... mean while across the globe...
I don’t see how punishing a man who is good to his wife and kids should be looked at in any positive light. Someone has an ego that just wanted to push the big famous coach around...
Wherever you are, there you be!
-Is the 3 game suspension only during the game itself or during full 24 hrs of each entire game day?
-For TCU game, is Urban allowed to travel w the team?
-Who does tOSU add on the field instead of Urban those 3 games?
Good question. I hadn't even thought about the fact that the trip to Texas consists of multiple days. Their wording is "for the games on September 1, 8 and 15". I'm going to assume unless we hear otherwise that they mean that to include all game-related activities, including travel to and from the venue.
That`s about $500,000 fine. He can earn that in the playoffs but he did lose the Bob Evens show. Urb looked very tires and slow to react like I would do for the media from now on.
What concerns me moving forward is the potential for something like this to happen again. Zach Smith seems like a uniquely shitty human being, and I doubt there are any other coaches on the staff that approach his level of scumbaggery, but there is an alarming amount of nepotism in Urban Meyer's program. And that's something to worry about, given that Urban admitted that his relationship with Earle Bruce affected his thinking re: Zach.
Look at the coaching staff right now. I get that the world of D1 coaches is very small, but I think we can safely acknowledge at least four members of Urban's staff that were likely hired primarily because of who they are related to: Corey Dennis (his own son-in-law--no potential for anything to go wrong there /s), Trey Holtz (oh look--the grandson of Urban's other mentor), Louie Addazio (son of Urban's close friend and colleague Steve Addazio--this is probably the one that concerns me the least), and Bill Davis (mediocre journeyman assistant coach who just so happened to be Urban's best man at his wedding, and who happens to coach the other unit on the team that hasn't been meeting expectations.) Will Urban's personal relationships with these people and their families similarly blind him in the event that one of them fucks up? This very thing is why nepotistic hires are discouraged in most organizations.
To hell with truth and law and let’s make up our own feel good rules as we go. Sounds like the book 1984.
Its good to be the king
Sounds like you haven't actually read 1984...
So I have managed people for a few decades, I have also been an OSU fan and alumni for let's say more decades.
This is how I see it the firing of Earl, Tressel and the suspension of Urban all bother me but for different reasons.
The trustees and the Donors of the Ohio State University probably really don't like football but they understand it is our cash cow. That being said they have to put up with it but they don't necessarily have to make decisions that ingratiate the program.
OSU's ruling class are leftists the FB program represents everything they despise. So they come in to damage those not as righteous as themselves, but oh so powerful without killing the golden goose....they will. Urban has too much juice in their eyes so he needs a haircut. while looking righteous and maintaining the cash flow will be quite happy to see the program continue along with out someone who judges people on their merit not their category.
Seems excessive on the suspension. I wonder how much more information that hasn’t been released. The folks at (Everyday Sec Propaganda Network) ESPN say he report was rushed.
Da juice ain’t worth the squeeze