A Two-Week Timetable, Accusations of Stealth Editing, and Mary Jo White to Lead – Here's What We Know About the Urban Meyer Investigation

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JTstan16's picture

McMuffin is a BUM that thought he found the next Baylor or Penn State scandal. No wonder ESPN fired him. Once Meyer is reinstated, I hope he and Shelley sued the hell outta him! 

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Not sure a Facebook post, true or otherwise, is grounds to sue, especially when the falsehood is related to Smith and not Meyer.

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Flyingshermo's picture

You’re probably right, Smith should sue!

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

No, Smith should burn in hell

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TigerSweat's picture

That's a harsh statements based on pure allegations. You must have witnessed something first hand.

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Lantana's picture

There are more than just "pure allegations" against Smith and you know it. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

They know it. They are afraid to admit it because they think that affects Coach’s Meyer. That is a disgusting take 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Also based on his text admitting it, and the police charging him in the 2009 incident. Smith is a sociopath. Don’t be blind.

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CowCat's picture

Also based on his text admitting it,

I would be careful there. It's not a text on a physical phone, it's a screenshot. It's very, very easy to edit a screenshot in Photoshop:

Step 1) Have a fake text conversation with one of your friends
Step 2) Take a screen capture of the conversation
Step 3) Replace the name at the top of the screen capture in Photoshop

It takes about 5 minutes. Given what McMurphy did on Facebook, I wouldn't put it past him. Unless we have the actual phone used, it's not evidence to me.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Ok, if that’s the hill your going to die on. To me it’s obvious to anybody rationally following this story. Doesn’t mean Urban knew how bad it was. 

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Smithie's picture

Step 3) Replace the name at the top of the screen capture in Photoshop

Actually it's easier than that. Just change the name of that phone contact in your address book before taking the screen capture of the conversation. That being said, I really don't think McMurphy would go to such a degree of full-out deception with a fraudulent screen cap.

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yepiwentthere's picture

Or you can change a contact name for a number that is not the real number, say a friend or second line, and have a conversation that looks legitimate. 

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Extramedium's picture

It doesn't even have to be that involved.  It's a screenshot taken out of context.  We'd have to see the entire conversation to know what exactly is going on.  He just might have been to that point in an argument when you're ready to agree to anything just to be done with it.  Not trying to defend Smith, but anything out of context is not very valuable.  Also if it was photoshopped I'd expect someone to have broken that down already

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wigmon's picture

I'm pretty sure the text "admitting it" wouldn't stand up in a court of law.  She makes multiple references in her statement to things she was upset with.  Zach saying I know could reasonably be into all of those things or it could just be on one of them.  He says I'm sorry without specifically saying which thing(s) he is sorry for in those texts.  Now, do I think he might have put his hand around her neck?  Sure, maybe, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure what you see in those texts is not an outright admission that would stand up in any court of law. 

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ibuck's picture

Smith should burn in...

That post is emotional abuse. 

Pot & kettle?

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Brooksie's picture

Screw suing. If proven to be true - McMurphy needs his balls cut off and force fedback down his throat.............

Too much?

I don't think so. And they wonder why the media has ZERO credibility.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Let's not go from one reporter to denigrating the entire media.  This whole "the media is the enemy of our country" meme has gotten out of hand and people in the media are receiving death threats at an unprecedented rate.  My niece is an award winning journalist who is extrememly ethical, does tons of research before submitting an article, and has to go through all kinds of road blocks to get to the truth.  I know you are just voicing your frustration and I get that.  BTW ... my name ain't Francis and I like to keep it light ... but your statement is disgusting and not helpful.

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GareBear's picture

TAke the high road and offer the guy the chance to apply to the OSU school of journalism? 

I would love that. 

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Buckeye Bill's picture

I logged in just to upvote this!

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sivaDavis's picture

Yeah so let’s just ban McMurphy from any Ohio State related events. 

"I've had smarter people around me all my life, but I haven't run into one yet that can outwork me. And if they can't outwork you, then smarts aren't going to do them much good." - Woody Hayes

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stpetebuck's picture

Not sure you should lump in an unemployed Facebook poster with “The Media”. He did get fired from an info-tainment company.  Not a newspaper or national news organization. 

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ibuck's picture

 from an info-tainment company.  Not a newspaper or national news organization.

Yep. Some of ESPN's reporting is info/news, but MOST of it is OPINION. And much of that is opinion with an AGENDA (SEC! SEC!). Much of it is unfair and unbalanced.

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stpetebuck's picture

Thank you. I was being generous. 

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AC1972's picture

SO to answer your question - yes.  Too much.

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MaxMermelstein's picture

If nothing else, Meyer should sue him to bury this pissant in legal work for the next two years. Urban has the deep pockets to do it.

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MD-PAbuck's picture

Yeah but that also drags this out in the public eye for 2 years. Urban will find a way to exact revenge promptly and powerfully.

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Bucky Buck's picture

Sounds like McMurphy tried to take a McMulligan. 

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

McFuckface would deserve to be sued, but, I don't think the Meyers have much to sue him on.  He did say the Meyers knew of the 2015 incident, which is true, admitted by Urban himself.  The details he mixed up really were if Zach Smith was arrested or not.  That's just a small detail in the grand scheme of things.  

It wasn't so much the facts about Urban that were wrong - it was how the report was intended to represent Urban that was wrong.  Which, sucks, but I'm not sure that's grounds for suing...not a lawyer, but pretty sure he would have to have actual facts wrong about Urban, not have some correct facts, and lead people to jump to the conclusion that he's looking for without having the key facts that would prove that conclusion to be true.

Class of 2010.

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Extramedium's picture

You don't need grounds to sue.  You can sue for anything you want.

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Buck68's picture

There is a hope that we all seek, that stands on the truth, crosses the chasm between our lesser thoughts and feelings, to seek to stand on ...in Coach Meyer's terms, Honesty & Integrity.

That is all... in all.

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jpg's picture

Can we all sue him for ruining our day, like class action?

I was fully prepared to waste a perfectly good hour at 11w and instead had to deal with lingering stench of bad 'stache.

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gumtape's picture

Not every national reporter or columnist is biased. I found this article on si that is written by a lawyer and discusses the situation from a purely legal perspective.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/08/03/urban-meyer-ohio-state-investigation-board-members

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Reading that did not reassure me. Sounds like the author believes Ohio a State hired an ‘independent’ panel so it can hide behind its findings to terminate Meyer for cause so they don’t have to pay out his contract.

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Nutinpa's picture

There are many who believe this to be the case.   

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Kangarooman's picture

Idk. After accusations like this, doesnt there have to be a panel? I dont think it tips a hand either way.

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BrutusB's picture

Yea I agree. Whether they wind up firing him or retaining him, there’s going to be an absolute shitstorm of criticism. Having a big panel with a ton of documentation helps insulate that a little bit. 

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KingKosar's picture

I'm inclined to agree with you, BrutusB.  To me, it would seem more likely that by bringing in an independent committee, it would be easier to retain him.  Otherwise, there would be a public outcry of "bias" on behalf of the university not firing him just so we could win a few more football games.

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Homey1970's picture

I just don’t see it if Meyer actually informed his superiors in 2015 or, his superiors informed him.  Where is the ‘cause’ in the ‘for cause’?

EDIT: Another thing I noticed, the SI piece also seems to paint Meyer as possibly culpable in a crime, when that is not in play.  This situation has nothing in common with Penn State.

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TigerSweat's picture

CBS ran an article implying that Meyer is somehow a criminal.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Happen to have a link to that? I would like to see

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

That's why I refer to them as "see BS". 

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Buck911's picture

This too may be of interest, it is long, but well worth your time, a lot of insight into Ohio Law, and a timeline of the Brett McBS fabrication of a hoax.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OhioStateFootball/comments/94t19c/crosspost_fro...

A lot of other interesting comments from a more objective audience.

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mb5599's picture

everyone is biased.  your upbringing, values, and beliefs all play a part in how you perceive something.  even reporters cannot neutralize their inherint bias.  when they pursue or write a story it is from their point of view.  they can try and present other views but they will always fall back on their own beliefs and bias.  no way to prevent it. 

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ibuck's picture

everyone is biased.... no way to prevent it. 

One can/should try to be objective and accurate. Sadly, much media and online posts have given up trying, even if claiming to be "fair and balanced." Editors and industry colleagues used to try to limit subjectivity (and some still try). Instead, some bloviators intentionally disregard and don't report key facts. Their reputations and credibility suffer for it.

Not trying is overcome bias is just poor journalism, and it reveals one's character.

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NiekampPayton's picture

McMurphy is a shifty little character.. would love to see a lawsuit filed after him if and when Urban survives this.

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gumtape's picture

Libel suits are very difficult to win against reporters. You basically have to prove willful and malicious fabrication of facts. It's a high standard designed to protect a free press and first amendment.

Bianchi has written troll based garbage for years and has gotten away with it.

George Dohrmann took down Jim Tressel and never even sniffed a lawsuit.

Regardless of what happens, Meyer and Ohio State should not punch down. Don't feed the troll.

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XUBUCK's picture

Reckless disregard for the truth would meet the malice standard. Libel happens, whether the injured parties choose to sue is another matter. 

IMO BM acted imprudently and has revealed his state of mind, incentives, on a number interactions. It sounds personal. 

But in general, it's not a small hurdle for a public plaintiff to clear. 

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It is, in fact, an extremely high hurdle for a public figure - which Urban undoubtedly is - to clear in a libel lawsuit. And a court would separate the "reckless disregard for the truth" and "malice." Remember these are parameters established in NY Times v. Sullivan, and are designed to help all of us find the truth about, primarily, elected officials. In this case, I don't see a jot of evidence anything has been published by McMurphy with "reckless disregard for the truth." I have no idea if malice was involved; I tend to suspect not. And I say this as an Urban supporter who does not believe he should be fired over this.

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XUBUCK's picture

Um James, reckless disregard for the truth satisfies the element of malice for a libel charge. 

Not sure I follow your point on how a court separates reckless disregard for the truth and malice. The former is an element that can prove the latter. 

Regarding the facts at hand, could perhaps only using one source  and posting incorrect infomation as it relates to a felony of another be construed as reckless? In law we look for a convergence of evidence. 

It's still no small hurdle, unlike probable cause, which is a layup by comparison. 

If I was going to publish a story concerning potential criminal culpability of another, I'd be damn sure I covered all basis. And if I was on constructive notice that perhaps, there was more than one police report, I'd find out what was in it before I published. 

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Buckeyes17's picture

So.. I mean what are our thoughts? Is Meyer going to survive all this stuff we think or is this looking like he will eventually be gone?

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kmp10's picture

There was a conversation last night regarding Ramzey Nasrallah's tweets from his personal account. It's in the forum. Anyway, Nasrallah CLEARLY dislikes Urban Meyer... and not just a little bit. I won't rehash his tweets or the debate that ensued, you can read for yourself if you're interested, but those tweets from Ramsey, followed by some tweets of tacit support from a few of the moderators, would lead most people to believe that Eleven Warriors knows more about Meyer than they're reporting, and not just specific to the Zach Smith situation, but in general. The tone of Nasrallah's social media posts suggested Meyer was far less a human being than OSU fans believe him to be. In other words, without coming out and saying so, Ramsey was calling Urban Meyer a POS in a series of furtive tweets. Whether or not this is indicative of Meyer's chances of surviving is left to one's imagination, I suppose. I know Ramsey said on 97.1 that he believed, at the end of the day, Meyer returns as the Ohio State coach... but then he unleashed his tweet storm last night slamming the 'Meyer rally' being held at Ohio stadium tonight and saying the coach is not worthy of the gathering of support being held on his behalf. To me, it's concerning that two (Nasrallah and Arace) Columbus media personalities who have access to the program are not being shy in making public their disdain for Urban Meyer. Again, whether or not any of this is a harbinger for Meyer's eventual firing is left to one's imagination... but it's concerning either way. 

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gumtape's picture

I think this shows the difference between being an Ohio State fan and an Urban Meyer fan

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Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

The tone of Nasrallah's social media posts suggested Meyer was far less a human being than OSU fans believe him to be. In other words, without coming out and saying so, Ramsey was calling Urban Meyer a POS in a series of furtive tweets.

1. Here is my twitter feed. Nothing has been edited.

To me, it's concerning that two (Nasrallah and Arace) Columbus media personalities who have access to the program are not being shy in making public their disdain for Urban Meyer.

2. I've written about Ohio State football nearly every week since 1997, which encompasses the entire Meyer era at Ohio State. My feelings on literally every facet, every element, every part of the program are public domain. So if you think I think Meyer is a POS and hate him - in spite of all that searchable data to the contrary - then I cannot help you. Or more accurately, you are beyond help.

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Free Ramzy! 

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BradentonBuck's picture

Only having seen tweets reposted here... color me confused by intent

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kmp10's picture

I'm horrible at Twitter. I know nothing about it... but one tweet in particular left me thinking, "This man really dislikes Urban Meyer", and that was when someone jokingly tweeted at you whether the rally you were suggesting people stay away from was for Meyer or for POTUS, and you replied, "same." I don't know you from the man in the moon, but my distinct impression from reading your content is that you drawing a comparison between Meyer and the current president is the acme of insults. Then, the drug accusations regarding Zach Smith, and the conclusions drawn about Meyer before the findings have been released implied, to me, that you dislike Urban Meyer. BUCKEYE3M, a site moderator, posted, "It's pretty clear, Ramsey is not an Urban Meyer fan." 

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sgehrich's picture

One thing in particular I think you are misreading... the suggestion there may be substance addiction issues for ZS was not showing disdain for Urban, it was actually a comment that could help Urban. i.e. if there is an addiction issue, it would tie Ohio State's hands in terms of their ability to fire ZS with cause. Medical issues, including addiction, create a protected class (not a lawyer, but I believe this to be Ramzy's point here), and Ohio State would be required to try to help him, rather than fire him. If so, it could put Urban in the clear.

Moreover, I think Ramzy's overall stance, from reading his tweets, was not to show any disdain for Urban, but to show that there are bigger problems in the world than the fate of a millionaire who is already set for life. We could, if we chose to reassess our priorities, focus on those in far greater need.

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BradentonBuck's picture

Zach would have to have sought help before any incidents occurred, a preemptive strike if you will. Anything done afterwards will not be effective.

If he were to have gone to tOSU (or EAP) before the incidents occurred then he most certainly have to be handled differently (ADA). Due to confidentiality we may never know if this was, or wasn't, the case.

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gumtape's picture

but one tweet in particular left me thinking, "This man really dislikes Urban Meyer", and that was when someone jokingly tweeted at you whether the rally you were suggesting people stay away from was for Meyer or for POTUS, and you replied, "same."

My interpretation is that there are parallels in blind loyalty and support for a human being, and human beings are flawed and capable of making mistakes.

There are also facts to be found and conclusions to be drawn, which as of right now are not available. Why are so many drawing conclusions with incomplete information?

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Ramzy Nasrallah's picture

my distinct impression from reading your content is that you drawing a comparison between Meyer and the current president is the acme of insults

I think you're referring to this

So, I live in New Jersey. I posted that about the planned rally for Meyer that is happening today in Columbus. I had no idea that the president was on his way to Ohio for one of his rallies. Someone replied to me and said they weren't sure if I was referring to Meyer or the president. I said both, with the parallels being whose fate is already tasked to lucid adult investigators. I thought that was ironic.

No, I do not see Meyer and the president in the same light. I can definitely see how this might have been confusing.

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"but my distinct impression from reading your content is that you drawing a comparison between Meyer and the current president is the acme of insults"

From reading the comments, I sadly suspect many posters would see that comparison as a compliment

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Meek's picture

When and where is the rally to support Ramzy against people who read their own agendas into his tweets? I'd attend that one.

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kmp10's picture

I have no agenda whatsoever. It's funny, the implication above is that I value Meyer over OSU, and nothing could be further from the truth. I've taken Meyer to task on here repeatedly on a variety of issues, especially over Zach Smith, and long before any of this recent stuff happened. In addition, I've said Meyer overtly bungled the Chicago presser and deserves all the vitriol coming his way for mucking that up (along with OSU)... but until the entirety story is out I personally find it odd that two sports writers in Columbus, in my view, are clearly and publicly on the side opposite of Urban Meyer before they theoretically know for certain what happened, which leads me to believe they know more about Meyer than they're willing to just come out and say. The "Rally For Urban Meyer..." forum thread contains the entire discussion from last night. 

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Meek's picture

These are your words

 saying the coach is not worthy of the gathering of support being held on his behalf

When did Ramzy say Meyer wasn't worthy of support?

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buckeyefan67's picture

It's rather obvious I believe.  Telling Buckeye fans "your time is precious'"  and  to "attend an inconsequential rally" and "or you could do something enriching or of value "  than waste your time speaks volumes.  When a Mod  (Buckeye3M) reinforces that belief "It's pretty clear, Ramsey is not an Urban Meyer fan".  What more do you need??

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Extramedium's picture

The rally is inconsequential either way.   250 people standing outside the stadium with cringe-worthy signs will not affect Meyer's fate. 

He's saying the situation is well in hand and people should spend their valuable time doing something that could make a difference in life instead of something that will not.

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BeatTTUN's picture

South Jordan, Utah. It started about an hour ago, take your time getting here I plan on keeping the rally going until the sun burns out. 

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DibbleDabble's picture

the cryptic daily polls from 11w is interesting as well...    all based on the idea Meyer will be fired.

"Are you still excited IF Urban Meyer is not the coach this season?"

"What's a fair expectation of wins IF Urban Meyer is not the coach this season?"

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TigerSweat's picture

IF Meyer is fired over this, there will be no shortage of power 5 programs who will be willing to overlook it in their pursuit of him.

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villain612's picture

I posted on a Reddit thread that I thought the announcement of the two week deadline was good news for Meyer. There was a very intelligent poster who disagreed with me. I responded back to him with some quibbles on major points of the case, but nonetheless, I thought his reply to me was a very good read and I will copy and post it below. These are my posts he's quoting:

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There is no burden to "justify bringing him back".

He's suspended. To re-instate him would be "bringing him back." OSU has to be 100% confident that there are no more skeletons in the closet, and that there will be no problems in the future. That's the bar to bring him back. That's an unreachable bar, especially in 2 weeks. 

Granted, there are probably facts out there we don't know yet - but if we're referencing an incident in 2015 that could get him fired....and he fulfilled his duty to report.... what would be cause?

He would be, and deservedly so, fired for the sum of his behavior on this issue. People are acting like OSU has to keep him even if he, in some narrow legal sense, upheld his duty to report after the 15 incident. That's absolutely not true. The ethics of this situation are extremely suspect. This whole incident is a black eye on the University and OSU has a reputation to uphold, as well as future questions of liability. 

The reasons to fire him are numerous:

-Retaining Zach Smith after the 2015 incident--indeed, retaining him despite what appears to be a pattern of abusive behavior over years that Urban was well aware of. His own damn wife said she was afraid of Smith--to the point she wanted Courtney to get a protective court order--and this dude kept him around. 

-Retaining him right up until McMurphy's reporting on the 15 incident, which Urban knew about. So Urban was going to keep him after this most recent incident in 18, despite being aware of a longstanding pattern of abusive behavior, and only fired him when the 15 incident went public. 

-Lying to Brett McMurphy at Media Days. Not only lying, but suggesting that McMurphy was promoting some kind of witch hunt and manufacturing a story. This on its own is fireable. 

-As I mentioned, OSU has a duty to uphold its reputation, and avoid questions of liability. Retaining Urban at this point is incompatible with that institutional duty. The negative recruiting will be merciless if they keep him, and deservedly so. Should anything else about the past come out, or should anything happen in the future, OSU would be fucked if they kept him. Massive lawsuits. 

I am of the opinion that if they had cause to fire him, it would have happened already. If you're gonna fire him, you don't announce when the investigation wraps up - you just fire him.

Well, absolutely zero administrators or people in power share this opinion. There's a zero percent chance they would pull the trigger before having done all needed due diligence to fire him. 

Urban retains a significant amount of public support, and he has a 38m dollar buyout. 

There's a great deal of incentive, both for the University and Urban, to reach a mutually agreeable conclusion to this matter. At a minimum, the University has 38m worth of incentive to build an airtight legal case to fire for cause. That takes some time. The people handling this investigation are busy, important people who will work deliberately. OSU isn't flying them in for a quick chat and a presser. Real legal work, and likely high stakes negotiations, are happening in the background right now. 

Publicly putting a clock on the investigation is serving multiple causes. One of these is likely sending a message to Urban's camp:

"Either work with us to come to a settlement in the next two weeks or we fire you for cause."

At a minimum, no matter the outcome of the investigation, the University has to offer a timeline to provide some level of clarity to the public. They're letting their community, and the general public know, that this won't bleed into the season. 

I have a very high degree of confidence that the investigation will conclude with Urban resigning as part of a settlement with OSU wherein he admits no wrongdoing and takes a haircut on his buyout. How much of a haircut will be an interesting thing to watch. There'll be a joint statement between him and OSU and a quick presser. Shelley will quietly leave OSU as well. 

I'd say there's a small but non-negligible chance that Urban refuses to settle and forces OSU to fire for cause. I highly doubt Urban wants to go down like that, because, among other reasons, his wife will end up in the cross-fire. 

What's vanishingly unlikely is the idea that OSU brings Urban back. I mean less than 1 percent possibility of this. This is merely to account for the possibility that OSU leadership has lost their minds and will act irrationally. But again, this is vanishingly unlikely.

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LB U's picture

Which comments are yours?

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DibbleDabble's picture

Interesting 612, thanks for sharing.  This is just more fuel to the fire this morning I am learning / reading about, as to why I am not beginning to realize Urbs is never going to coach here again, regardless of my personal views on this situation. 

Fair, not really.  Justified, unfortunately, yeah, I'm starting to think so.

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Extramedium's picture

Even most of ESPN is saying he stays now.  Lying, or being not complete truthful, to the media is not fireable.  The very suggestion is laughable and discredits everything else said, regardless of the skilful use of bold and italics.  

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Kangarooman's picture

Convincing, but I honestly think the poster completely overestimates how much the general public actually agrees with the media. He mentions negative recruiting? I call bullshit. Our recruiting will be fine if they retain Meyer. It may definitely suffer if they hire an unproven entity.

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TigerSweat's picture

Recruiting would take a hit and because of that, the program as a whole will take a step back. Thats the motivation for most of the social media hecklers who are pretending to be outraged over Zach Smith. They could care less if he beat wife or not, they just want Meyer out of OSU.

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Kangarooman's picture

Also, the poster would also be inferring that the committee has been hired with its mind already made up...

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LB U's picture

Yeah, he talks like he's got it all figured out. None of us know, neither does he. He could be completely wrong.

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Kangarooman's picture

Yep. Im not naive, and i totally believe that the committee could be leaning one way from the start, but to say theyre being hired as a bargaining chip? That's almost a conspiracy theory.

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beavis's picture

i didn't find it well thought out or an interesting read. there are so many holes in what you posted it would take me too long to type it all out.

if you found it interesing, villian - then enjoy. it just came off like subjective opinion to me.

beavis

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bdbrown66's picture

Tagging this so I can revisit when the smoke clears. To be clear, which comments are yours and which belong to the other guy?

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Extramedium's picture

It doesn't matter.  The other guy doesn't know any more than the poster.

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Lighteyes's picture

Well, absolutely zero administrators or people in power share this opinion. There's a zero percent chance they would pull the trigger before having done all needed due diligence to fire him. 

I'd just like to highlight this comment, because the Redditor is actually 100% right on this one. I don't know if you remember former basketball coach Jim O'Brien, but Gene Smith and Ohio State certainly do: They fired O'Brien for committing NCAA violations serious enough to get the program on probation...but because they did it too quickly and didn't exactly follow the wording of his contract, Ohio State ended up losing in court and having to write him a several million dollar check.

The suspension, the outside investigation, etc are all part of that process. That doesn't mean it's guaranteed to end in his firing (or a 'resignation' settlement)...but it's CYA - if they do end up deciding/needing to fire him, they want to make sure the entire process is legally defensible to avoid writing Urban a $38 million check because they skipped a step.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I'm no lawyer, but another thing that concerns me is that Gene Smith has been silent, even in the face of Zach's comments. A part of me wonders if that is intended to maintain a safe distance from UFM and ensure he represents the actions of the University and not the program. If that's the case, I understand. It's just concerning.

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gr8bucks's picture

Smith likely knows about the ob case, but he had nothing to do with it, geiger fired ob. 

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Lighteyes's picture

He didn't fire O'Brien, but he was the AD at Ohio State when the court case was resolved and the department had to write that check. 

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kmp10's picture

-Lying to Brett McMurphy at Media Days. Not only lying, but suggesting that McMurphy was promoting some kind of witch hunt and manufacturing a story. This on its own is fireable. 

First, I disagree in totality with this. Lying to a writer is a fireable offense? Suggesting that McMurphy was off base in reporting what Meyer might have thought he was reporting is a fireable offense? The arrest Vs no arrest issue is not a small distinction, both in terms of the investigation as a whole, and regarding what Meyer might have been disputing specific to McMurphy's story. To be clear, I think Meyer/OSU bungled that presser beyond comprehension, but I disagree that any of that, in and of itself, is a fireable offense. 

This Reddit poster presents like someone who knows what he's talking about. He might be an attorney familiar with similar cases from personal involvement or professional interest, I don't know, but what would be unimaginable is that this person is intimately familiar with Ohio State's ongoing investigation. If he/she were, he/she wouldn't be on Reddit opining. 

What's vanishingly unlikely is the idea that OSU brings Urban back.

Was this opinion stated prior to Meyer's statement on Friday? It is unfathomable to me that Meyer and his legal counsel would release his statement on Friday afternoon if they believed, or had been led to believe that Meyer's chance of returning was "vanishingly unlikely," or most especially if they were in the midst of "high stakes negotiations" regarding Meyer's buyout. If Meyer and his legal team were negotiating behind the scenes, as this Reddit poster posits ( Real legal work, and likely high stakes negotiations, are happening in the background right now), then what on earth would possess Meyer, and by extension his legal counsel, to publicly state the following, "I ask that you continue to support the incredible coaches and student-athletes in our program, and I look forward to rejoining them soon." 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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SilverHaven's picture

This Reddit guy has the uncanny ability to talk like he knows and knows a lot more than we know.  This is potent ability; I'm impressed.  But his hyperbolic rhetoric is filled with false premises.  For example this over-the-top pronouncement:

"He would be, and deservedly so, fired for the sum of his behavior on this issue. People are acting like OSU has to keep him even if he, in some narrow legal sense, upheld his duty to report after the 15 incident. That's absolutely not true. The ethics of this situation are extremely suspect. This whole incident is a black eye... " 

Not true. Look at the facts. Urban actually and directly reported the 2015 incident up the chain (and the 2009 incident), and not in "some narrow legal sense."  Gene Smith obviously knew about it  and called Zack back from recruiting in 2015.  The Powell police knew about it and filed police reports in 2015.  Urban's wife Shelley was aware of it.  Evidently the wives of other coaches were aware of it.  So Urban was not covering up spousal abuse. 

That Urban was unwilling to discuss personal marital problems of an employee in a public B1G press conference after his researchers could not uncover police reports does not constitute covering up alleged domestic violence. This is not a matter of "extremely suspect" ethics, this is a matter of public discretion with regards to an employee you have privately reported to OSU.

I could go on, but I have already spent more time than I likely should, and must get on with meetings.  Aloha.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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SilverHaven's picture

And 612 mahalo for posting a dissenting viewpoint.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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qtip's picture

Villain, this conversation flipped my outlook from 60/40 Urban stays to 99/1 he's gone. I just hope the investigation gives more insight as to what happened. I particularly want to know why Urban lied.

That'll be 5 dollars

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Extramedium's picture

It's a lot closer to 99/1 he stays. Even Finebaum is now saying Meyer stays.  If lying to the media is fireable, every coach would be fired. 

What that long-winded poster doesn't mention is that  the head coach is literally not allowed to investigate and fire/retain based on allegations like this.  His job is to pass it on to his superiors and let them handle it. If he did that, as he claimed he did, there are no grounds for termination.  

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gr8bucks's picture

I'll take the opposite bet and say there's a 99% chance myer is back. He could take a buyout, if he was already contemplating retirement in the next few years, why fight the negative publicity, just ease into an early retirement, away from the rat race and vitriol. I don't know how tired he is, but he is awfully family oriented. If he's a fighter and doesn't want to go out like this, he'll be back. 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

The biggest thing that scares me outside the investigation is the feeding frenzy occurring in the national media. This thing is taking on a life of its own. And that Adelson from ESPN is the queen of hot takes. She’s gone off the deep end in this reporting. “Society has evolved, but Meyer has not?” Are you kidding me? 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Agreed. What scares me is that todays culture of public outrage is one in which people are guilty until proven innocent and far too many times in recent years organizations patronize the internet outrage mob by ruining innocent people. They are like children throwing a tantrum in the store because mom wouldn't buy them a snickers bar. It is long past time to stop giving them the candy at the expense of logic and factual reasoning.

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DS117's picture

A while back, I saw a movie, or maybe it was a TV show that, in the future, the courts were mostly ineffective.  Instead, a person was put before the world on the Internet and got to tell his side of the story.  The public then got to vote guilty or innocent to determine his fate.  This takes The Court of Public Opinion to a new level, but it seems we are headed that way.  

I'm at the age where food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact, I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table. - Rodney Dangerfield

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Brutus's picture

Sounds like this would be a great episode for Black Mirror.  I’m copying your post and emailing it to the show.  If I don’t get a producer’s credit when they make it, I will lose my shit.

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DS117's picture

So it was.  Thanks for the reminder. 

I'm at the age where food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact, I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table. - Rodney Dangerfield

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MDBuckeyes's picture

That editorial by Adelson was terrible. Editorials are like opinions, which we know are like....

No reason for Ohio State or Meyer representatives to respond to every single "hot take" or biased article right now. I know it gets national attention and spawns media frenzy, but we're already at that point. By Ohio State announcing that the expected time line is 14 days, it's basically an announcement that Ohio State/Meyer isn't expected to say anything until then, nor should they. There has been so much irresponsible reporting on this issue since the beginning (more specifically, the ACTUAL beginning by McMurphy), that the report in 14 days should clear the air of any "hot takes" between now and then.

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MDBuckeye23's picture

She was no worse than Finebaum standing on his soap box basically claiming collusion between Smith, Meyer, and OSU on Friday. I may be naive and I am clearly biased here, but I don't understand how people with a media badge are considered experts in these fields. Finebaum said something along the lines of "I saw his interview, and I saw hers, I believe her. She looks like a victim of abuse". Come on man! What credentials/training does he have to say that? 

I believe that there are only a few facts present in this case and everything else is pure speculation. 1. Urban was completely in the wrong for saying anything other than, "I really cannot comment at this time" at the media day.  2. Zach and Courtney had a horrible relationship that at times got physical.  3. Urban chose to believe a member of his staff that was in his mind trustworthy and doing a pretty good job. 

I would bet that if Urban could go back to 2015, he would have either suspended Smith and urged the university to investigate, or fired him, but I have no idea. I still do not think that any of this is a fireable offense for Urban unless it shows that he did not go to the proper channels. 

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Extramedium's picture

As of yesterday Finebaum was on an ESPN podcast saying he thinks Meyer survives this.  Along with the rest of the ESPN panel. They were still righteously indignant but they seemed to be more offended that Meyer would have been untruthful at media days than anything else surrounding the case.

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funky123's picture

That's one of many reasons why millions of people have cut the cord to ESPiN. I did years ago.

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The Pontiff's picture

I have never liked McMurphy he is a troll acting like a reporter.   There are a lot of great CFB reporters out there that I respect.  McMurphy was never one of them.  Good on him to get the story and I wish him the best of luck in finding work.  That does not mean I don't think he is a POS.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

It’s then disgusting how the sports journalists have been high-fiving McMurphy on this piece and it’s nice to see him on the hot seat.  His was NOT unbiased or fair journalism.

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TigerSweat's picture

McSlurpy didn't even attempt to interview from OSU's camp. This amounts to a hit piece with a singular objective in mind - get urban Meyer fired.

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Buckeye1996's picture

Thank you 11W for addressing McMurphy's edits, and expanding a bit on its implications. I find his actions inappropriate especially given all the time and money costs, and angst the original report has generated. He is going to pay in some way for his sloppiness (I am trying to be nice).

Most journalist who come out hot like he did while moving the goal post would not be employed very long.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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Extramedium's picture

He's already unemployed.  Most think he's trying to get rehired by ESPN.

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MichiBuck12's picture

If Urban and Gene reported this to who it needed reported to, there should be record of that and it will easily be verified. The police record shows no arrest being made, and no charges filed. If those things are true, this would be incredibly irresponsible journalism on McMurphy's part. And making stealth edits like that is hack journalism (at best). 

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Vberger's picture

A rush to judgment to make a name for himself.  At the end of the day hopefully the truth comes out one way or another, but the rush to be the first and print the story from one sided information has gotten us to where we are today. 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

The rush to be first and print the story is part of why the media have continued to spiral downward into the depths of hackery, peddling propaganda. But keep in mind that many of these media outlets - although less so with sports media - regularly lose money and thus are subsidized by very wealthy people who made their money in other industries. 

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keith7456's picture

So here is what ESPNU has said this morning in my 25 min drive to work. 

Basically Meyer WILL be fired becasue the court of public opinion wants him fired and they are the ones that make the decisions now. Also that it is still all Meyers fault because he has more power than Gene Smith does at Ohio State so he is really the one that makes all the decisions. That there is no way that Meyer can come back. They also said that either neither(Meyer and Gene Smith) of them will be fired or that both of them will be fired.

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Buckeye1996's picture

I mean seriously. My wife says I am turning into an old cranky man but this shit gives me comfort in knowing I have good reasons. Context matters I tell her.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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ronaprhys's picture

If the Uni caves to public opinion, then your situation could very well be true.  However, if the investigation board shows that Meyer did report it properly, that protocols were followed, etc., I think it's going to be hard to fire him.  Once this blows over (and with proof like I discuss, it will), then having him around is a very, very good thing.  Sure, they could fine him for his poor handling/lying during the media event, but that's not enough to fire him.  

Especially if they find out Gene Smith new about it and was the one responsible.  

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

In my dreams, the powers that be at Ohio State wouldn’t give a f—- if this media witch hunt blew over or not. They would just do the right thing based on the facts, logic, and reason. 

In my dreams, the football program would then approach the 2018 season with the same angry-but-laser-focused attitude of us against the world and we don’t give a f—- what all the jackals are saying and doing. Sort of like the 1980s Hurricanes, but with good character and without all the dancing on the field and other nonsense. 

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TigerSweat's picture

I'm so sick of the online SJW's dictating what other people do.

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armynurseboy's picture

The media had already pronounced him guilty as charged last week.  They now have a vested interest in him getting fired so they don't look stupid for making a rush to judgement.  IMHO, if Urban gets fired, it WILL be because the university doesn't want to face a PR firestorm. Yes, it's not fair, but that is what this country has devolved to.

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BrutusB's picture

He has a $38 million buyout. If they fire him they’ll have something at least a little incriminating. 

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keith7456's picture

I'm about 75% sure that is what is going to happen. They will do the PR thing and fire him. They would rather pay the possible wrongful termination money than continue with the bad PR.

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

But OSU is going to suffer from bad PR regardless.  The media won't just go away if Meyer and/or Smith are fired.  They'll then say "well, how did you, as an upstanding University, ALLOW this to happen for years and years after you knew?!" 

The media won't let up, they'll double down. 

TeamGB

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keith7456's picture

I agree with you. I believe that if they choose to fire him it will only make things worse. It will just continue the horrible trend of media and public opinion ruling over everything. I just have the bad feeling they will cave to the pressure to do it.

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Trebor40's picture

Excellent point, bullies do not stop when another has capitulated they increase their activities! It is for this very reason that I believe the university will insulate itself and if the investigative team verifies that Meyer reported to Gene Smith either by reply to Gene Smith's queries or by sending the information which initiated the query then they will keep Urban. 

If there is a break in that sequence which the University feels the media as well as the NCAA could exploit, then Urban at the least is gone! 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Why can’t both things be true? McMurphy appears to have tilted his piece to make it more damning. And Urban Meyer showed bad judgment with respect to ZS and in handling the questions at media day.

Why Urban hired ZS in 2012 I don’t understand, but he did. Given his knowledge of that 2009 incident, Urban didn’t monitor things as closely as he should have. And he seems to have lied, or at least split hairs, on media day. That’s not illegal, but it’s unethical and a bad look.

In the end, I don’t think he should be fired. But OSU should punish him somehow for acting carelessly in a way that could damage the program and the reputation of the University. McMurphy found legit news. But he needs a journalistic ethics refresher himself.

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OSUBias's picture

I hadn’t realized that Meyer had addressed a similar question or questions about 2015 outside of media days. That lends weight to the theory that he was deliberately being evasive about it, not caught off guard by a surprise question. Or he was just staying consistent with his first wrong answer. 

Regardless of the outcome (I’m expecting multi game suspension) maybe OSU can send him to “how to answer questions without boxing yourself in” camp. Normally it’s just amusing “he’s the best I’ve ever been around” but the way he speaks in absolutes is going to be over analyzed from now until forever going forward. 

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Given the knowledge that Gene Smith knew in 2015, I'd say Meyer was told to deny.  And then Urban Meyer is now saying, wait, this smells a bit much like 2011 and I'm not going to fall on the sword here like Tressel did.

Urban also knows that Tressel got a 7 year show cause from the NCAA.  In this situation, I doubt the NCAA has any jurisdiction to bring about sanctions of any kind against Ohio State or Meyer, but that doesn't mean public perception wouldn't prevent other institutions from wanting to hire him.  I doubt Meyer wants an abrupt end to his coaching career over something he didn't do wrong, and is part of the reason he changed his story.

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armynurseboy's picture

Meyer, for all  his organizational and football brilliance, is not a polished public speaker.  He stumbles over words a lot and his speech patterns tend to wander a bit.  

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TigerSweat's picture

That's the thing. He's not a politician, lawyer or investigator... He's a recruiter and a football coach.

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McGrind's picture

Oh that thing...I thought you were talking about the other thing that did not happen. Whoopsie. 

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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hetuck's picture

McMurphy needs to be asked, "Did you do a computer search of Delaware County arrest records? Did you find anything for Zach Smith in 2015? If you had an incident report with an arrest block checked, but no arrest computer record, did you find that odd? Did you question the police about the discrepancy before you wrote your Facebook article?"

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LawClub's picture

Yes. Hard to believe he didn't confirm any "arrest" report.

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LB U's picture

My anxiety is killing me right now. I seriously cannot wait for the conclusion of this just so I can move on, no matter the result.

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BennyBuckeye's picture

I guess what I really don't understand is why those questions weren't answered with "I'm not here to talk about that" or "It's against policy to discuss the dismissal of an employee" (even if it isn't) or some other way of evading the question. Answer questions about how the firing might impact the team, game plan etc, but the details around it, he should have deferred to the athletic dept.

I'm not sure what the truth is. I want to believe his statement. It just seems like a lawyer-prepared CYA statement. Regardless of the outcome, the "court of public opinion" won't be pleased.

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BrutusB's picture

Regardless of what winds up happening that press conference was a gigantic unforced error. Coaches give milquetoast answers without saying anything all the time, but of all moments THAT was when he wanted to be definitive?

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I'm convinced that Urban has a real problem with many reporters in general.  Beyond distrust to dislike.  So in his mind, when he was asked about ZS's arrest in 2015, his thoughts immediately went to "Who makes up this bullshit?"  In that frame of mind, his thought process is a little more understandable.  Add to that that extemporaneous speaking is not one of his strengths...you get this shit storm.

The minute I heard the question on BTN, my first thought was , "Why didn't you just say, 'I'm here to talk about my team'."

The Urban lied and therefore must be fired narrative really pisses me off.  Its like they heard one reporter claim it, so it has to be true and they all run with it.  John Feinstein, a more sanctamonious man you'll never find, dropped that this morning on CBS sports.

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Boss Hog Buckeyes's picture

I don’t know why 11W Staff is so easily dismissing the idea that, in response to unclear questions asked right after a false report that ZS was arrested, Urban thought he was answering questions about an arrest.

Is it because of a reluctance to walk back the previous 11W Staff assertion that Urban either lied at media days or in his twitter statement?

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BrutusB's picture

If that’s what the confusion was, wouldn’t Meyer have said that in his statement? He didn’t say he was confusing “inquiry” for “arrest” he just said he wasn’t clear. 

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Jason Priestas's picture

I don’t know why 11W Staff is so easily dismissing the idea that, in response to unclear questions asked right after a false report that ZS was arrested, Urban thought he was answering questions about an arrest.

You can listen to the audio. And that's not even really our point. Our point is that it doesn't really matter. If the allegations of stealth edits are true, it's a bad look for McMurphy, but probably has minimal impact on Ohio State's investigation of Meyer.

Is it because of a reluctance to walk back the previous 11W Staff assertion that Urban either lied at media days or in his twitter statement?

Meyer himself said this in his Friday Twitter statement: "My intention was not to say anything inaccurate or misleading. However, I was not adequately prepared to discuss these sensitive personnel issues with the media, and I apologize for the way I handled those questions."

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Meyer saying that it was not his intention to say anything inaccurate or misleading is not an admission that he lied. Rather, it’s in the next sentence that he makes an admission . . . his comments showed a lack of preparedness. I.e., poor phrasing, which could be interpreted by others as inaccurate or deliberately misleading.

Technically, Meyer was probably correct that McMurphy’s story that Smith was arrested in 2015 was fabricated. Time will tell. But Meyer did a poor job answering the media questions in Chicago even if the main crux of McMurphy’s pre-Chicago report was fabricated. In the proverbial “court of law,” Meyer is cleared on a technicality, so to speak, keeping in mind that many defendants that are cleared on a technicality are in fact innocent of the allegation. 

P.s., the workers and editors at 11W do a fantastic job on a daily basis delivering excellent free content to an avid Buckeyes fan base. And, in most cases, your reporting, re-reporting, and “editorial” content are at a very high standard compared to other media outlets. I am very negative on the state of the media, in general, but see 11W as mostly above the fray. That said, many of the staff members at 11W hope to one day work for one of the big media outlets. And, in most industries, the guild protects others in the guild. 

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SilverState's picture

Meyer saying that it was not his intention to say anything inaccurate or misleading is not an admission that he lied. 

 Bingo.

"Year for what?"

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Boss Hog Buckeyes's picture

My point is that you called Urban a liar, which matters to me as an at least daily reader of 11W, devoted listener to the podcast, and past purchaser of t-shirts.

Zach Smiths interview on Friday put forth a plausible non-lying explanation that you missed or ignored.  Now that explanation is buttressed by discovery of McMurphy’s skullduggery.

Here’s a snippet of what Smith said on Friday: “My opinion of why he answered the way he did is that when it came up, he kind of freaked out, like, "When did Zach get a felony? I've never heard of that. No one ever told me this."  Then he called some people and said, "Dive into this. Get ahold of Powell police and find out if there were any felony charges or anything like that against Zach in 2015." When they did that, (they saw) there were no felony charges in 2015 because ultimately it proved to be an accusation that was not real. Now he's getting his honesty in question over something that was misreported. I don't know that that's the case, but that's what I took from it.”

I love the website, but you jumped the gun in calling Urban a liar.  Them’s fighting words, you know?

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Jason Priestas's picture

We didn't. I'm interested in seeing where we called Meyer a liar.

ZMBucks's picture

Johnny has definitely been standing on that podium on Twitter. 

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Boss Hog Buckeyes's picture

“While it is still somewhat unclear why Meyer would lie to the media....”

“Meyer, whether he meant to or not, lied in some capacity. Either his Twitter statement or his statement at Big Ten Media Days was false.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/...

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Boss Hog Buckeyes's picture

I sure read this as Urban lied.  However, perhaps it was poor word choice on behalf of the staff.  Lying is making a deliberate falsehood - you cannot lie if you didn’t “mean to.”  In that case you misunderstood the question or misspoke, but you didn’t lie.  

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Boss Hog Buckeyes's picture

Until if and when there is actual evidence otherwise, I believe that Urban was responding to the false reports about a 2015 arrest and did not lie.  That’s why he talked about a text message that he got the night before and having people look into it and finding nothing.  He probably got a text about the false accusation of an arrest.  The reporters’ questions were not clear in the context because the media did not know that the report about the 2015 arrest was false!

Then Urban basically apologized on Twitter for some combo of being unclear / not expressing compassion for victims / not speaking completely accurately.  But he didn’t say he lied.  

We’ll find out who is right soon enough I suspect.  All this is going to come out in the open.  Whatever text message he got, whatever he says people looked into, whatever he thought he was being asked or thought he was saying.  

In the meantime I don’t think anyone should say that Urban “lied.” 

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Boss Hog Buckeyes's picture

Jason I pointed out 11W prior statements below.  Are you going to respond/correct?

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0H-10's picture

This is a Cardinal Point, significant for defining Eleven Warriors as something more excellent than McMurphy going forward. 

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ogama843's picture

This whole thing is ridiculous. Nothing was covered up. It was reported to and handled by the police. I don’t get what the big issue is. Can someone explain?

because if this whole thing is about telling a lie to the media, then screw Ohio State leadership if they tear down Urban over this. I’m so mad I can’t see straight.

Holy Buckeye!

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armynurseboy's picture

The issue is that the media is butthurt because they feel they were disrespected and lied to.   And now they want to punish Urban because of that. 

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ogama843's picture

Thank you. Just as I suspected. Nothing should come of this, and I don’t believe anything will. But you never know with all the people wanting to bring down our football program.

Holy Buckeye!

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BennyBuckeye's picture

My understanding is that his contract, along with Title IX and one other law (the name of which I can't recall) require him to report even the suspicion of domestic violence to his superiors. So, if cops were called for DV, arrest or not, he should have reported it to the administration as soon as he was made aware.

If we believe Zach Smith and Urban's most recent statements, Urban didn't tell the truth to the media (I won't say lie, because that implies intent. It looks bad, but nothing 'wrong' with it). If we continue to believe their statements, Administration knew of the (alleged) incident and Urban performed his duty and should be returned to work.

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Extramedium's picture

AFAIK Title IX is not in play because Courtney Smith is not related to the University, and none of the alleged abuse happened at the school or any official school function

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BennyBuckeye's picture

The quotes from Title IX administrators indicates that Title IX is a potential issue. I'm not a lawyer and if I was I would still be lacking in facts/evidence. But that lack also means I wouldn't be able to say Title IX wasn't in play.

http://www.dispatch.com/sports/20180802/ohio-state-investigation-how-tit...

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Flyingshermo's picture

Curious everyone’s take on a couple other things - when McMurphy though he had his Woodward & Bernstein moment to expose this huge cover up and bring down Meyer, he went to great lengths to inexorably link Shelley Meyer to Urban & the university. Using his media days statement about how important she is to him against him and reminding everyone she’s a university employee and may have violated Title IX - essentially hedging his bets so if he couldn’t prove Urban knew, at least he could say it was an Ohio State cover up. But as soon as Urban admits he knew, Shelley’s no longer close to Urban or affiliated with the university. Everyone starts asking why Urban did nothing and how could nobody from the university reach out to her. But the texts from Shelley make it very clear she was proactively reaching out to courtney and making sure she had everything she needed - even offering to get groceries. So If McMurphy establishes this link of Shelley being a rep of the university and Urban’s most trusted advisor, isn’t it possible that she was acting on behalf of both when she was helping Courtney?

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brunstar's picture

Has anyone seen the full context of those text conversations or confirmed the text are real?  It’s ok to question these things.

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Buckeye1996's picture

After the report, McMurphy gleefully doubled, tripled, and infinitely downed. He even had a piece on why he didn't need a big media platform. He is going to find out why he does - attorneys to look over garbage to save his ass....lol.

 I'm sitting here waiting for the mushroom cloud to show up and for Urban to be cleared.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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Flyingshermo's picture

Yeah, saw that article too. Where he so much as admitted he was desperate to stay relevant (lest he be “digging ditches in 18 months”). Also found it interesting he used employees of other organizations to check his work. No ethics issues there - he can’t even name who reviewed his work because they’d get fired from their actual jobs if he did.

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Buckeye1996's picture

No ethics issues there - he can’t even name who reviewed his work because they’d get fired from their actual jobs if he did.

They were probably more than happy to let him troll away with them at arm's length...lol. Hey let's get Mikey, he'll try!

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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BrutusB's picture

PSA: Please don’t go to the rally. That’s just going to be embarrassing. If/when the investigation exonerates him, by all means have a ‘welcome back’ rally. But doing it before all the facts are in is just a disaster waiting to happen. 

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ogama843's picture

I’m ready to rally because of the ridiculousness of all this. But you are right. No need, because all of this is so stupid nothing will come of it. Then we can rally in front of McSmurfy’s place of employment when it’s all said and done.

Holy Buckeye!

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blocko330's picture

Typically corrections of this magnitude are made in the open with notices explaining the correction. For whatever reason, McMurphy did not do that with his post.

For whatever reason.................................

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller

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brunstar's picture

Any media outlet America could’ve fact checked McMurphy, instead it was some guy on reddit.

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Flyingshermo's picture

No, no, no. The media was too busy fellating him!

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2morrow's picture

It usually happens that way because it might interfere with the narrative that the media is trying to create. It's a shame that good journalists are being overshadowed by the scum among them.

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BradentonBuck's picture

If the University fires him who the fuck is going to want to work for tOSU after the way they just throw people on grenades.

I hope they take a stand against social mob mentality, it's bullshit.

Buckeye til I die

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Brooksie's picture

Once Urban is exonerated - I would make a very public statement that the University is severing ties with all things ESPN - and they are forbidden from setting foot on campus.

Bottom line - WE DON"T NEED THEM AND THEIR VENOM.

Bucks Fan since 1970

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BrutusB's picture

Huh? McMurphy doesn’t even work for ESPN anymore. 

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CincyOSU's picture

Are they also going to cut ties with SI, Fox, Yahoo, CBS, BTN, etc?

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Bucks19's picture

Brooksie- really? And throw away hundreds of millions of dollars away? Really??!??

If that is the case, every single media outlet in the country will have to be banned because EVERY ONE OF THEM have made it a witch hunt. EVERY SINGLE ONE. 

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Waterbeagle's picture

Retired LE 31 yrs.   when all said and done I think we will find out that Smiths wife is a complete loon.   

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erniefurgler's picture

It still baffles me everyone is assuming Courtney Smiths claims are 100% accurate???  I'm by no means victim-blaming here, but with the severity of the allegations & the fact one person has already lost their job & others may as well...shouldn't there be scrutiny on all parties involved?

  1. Shelley Meyers comments regarding Zach "scaring her"...I would imagine so if you only heard Courtney's version of the '09 incident
  2. What exactly was the "2015 incident"?  Shouldn't that be verified?  It's been confirmed Zach was out of town when the "incident" came to light via the local PD contacting Gene Smith.  So the "incident" occurred, Zach left for a recruiting trip, then she reported it to authorities?  Just trying to understand the situation
  3.  Zach was fired after the "incident" last month in which he dropped his kids off at Courtney's residence after her not showing up at the agreed-upon meeting point. (per reports I read)  Basically the 3rd strike involving domestic issues with his now ex-wife...you're out.  Poor judgment by Zach, yes, a domestic violence incident- no
  4. Urban's comments a B10 media day- I never felt he was trying to ignore or deny what happened in 2015, rather I interpreted the response as there was no arrest so why are people acting like Zach was allowed to stay on staff after a DV arrest- again, damning allegations
  5.  I want to reiterate, I'm not "defending" Zach, I have two daughters of my own & if one was involved in something like this, I would be hard pressed not to take the law into my own hands & knock the sh*t out of someone.  With that said, these are life-changing allegations & every party involved needs to be held accountable for what was said & done.
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Flyingshermo's picture

To be clear - questioning accusations and seeking truth is never victim blaming. It is an absolute necessity in the criminal justice system. The accused have rights too. Victim blaming is when you actually blame the victim for the crime that was committed against them. Like, if you didn’t want to get raped, you shouldn’t have dressed so provocatively, or gone back to his apartment. That’s victim blaming.

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Flyingshermo's picture

To your last point - I was laying in bed thinking about that last night. I have two boys and a daughter. I was thinking what I would do if my young daughter grew up and found herself in that situation. The thing that doesn’t get talked about is that after the 2015 event, Courtney said her family told her not to press charges. I feel for Courtney and certainly her kids - this is a sad situation all around. But if you’re own family tells you not to press charges, to me that seems like there may be more to the story.

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erniefurgler's picture

Agreed, forgot to include that in my comment.  I find that very telling, when your own family tells you pressing charges may not be a good idea, it give you pause for thought.  And I agree with your other comments as well

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Trebor40's picture

In the line of work that I am in I have to warn you that the family may not have wanted her to make a complaint because they consider Z.S. a cash cow. The accusation leading to his loss of employment from what is likely the highest paying job related to their family and the children's financial support. It is ugly yet I have worked with women and men dealing with MUCH worse! 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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stxbuck's picture

Key question-Have the "proper channels" at tOSU, indeed confirmed that Urban Meyer reported the incident to them in 2015? Gene Smith, Title IX Coordinator, whomever?

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Bum juice's picture

Was just listening to the spielman radio show, he believes that Urban will not be fired! It was refreshing to hear somebody not be so one sided, and lay out ALL the facts and then base his opinion of that.

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keith7456's picture

and I'm sure he will soon be blasted for being a homer by everyone in the world.

I saw Herbstreit say the other day he could not give an opinion because he did not have enough information to do so. Which was also refreshing to hear.

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BradentonBuck's picture

You are probably right, but for those knuckleheads should know Spielman was one of the more vocal against Tressel during Tatgate.

He calls it like he sees it.

Buckeye til I die

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Extramedium's picture

Yeah the opinion has shifted considerably in Meyer's favor.  I mentioned it above but even Finebaum (and three other guys) is saying Meyer survives on an ESPN podcast yesterday.

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bd2999's picture

Based on what we know I think he should not be fired. However osu is a creature of pr and reputation. I have trouble seeing them being able to retain him. It sucks but is the reality

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Extramedium's picture

They'd need to worry about their reputation even more  if they fire one of the best CFB coaches in history without cause because of Twitter and ESPN.  

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Buckeye1996's picture

Some reason among the madness...click on the audio.

https://www.koffellaw.com/columbus-criminal-defense-blog/2018/august/the...

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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Waterbeagle's picture

This what I’ve been saying.  The state law MANDATES an arrest on domestic violence cases.  The police did not arrest ZS.  Ask the PD why?  I believe we will find out she is a very unstable person who they are very familiar with.  A local cop is not going to risk his neck for a football coach on this situation. 

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KYBuck's picture

Thanks to both of you for being voices of reason. I listened to the Koffel Law piece, and he makes good sense. I have also seen a screen capture from social media (Twitter, perhaps?) of a guy who spoke with an 'insider' from tOSU, who laid out some interesting points about Mrs. Smith and her erratic, substance-fueled behavior. Talked about how the local police had become pretty numb to her behavior, and that they plan to testify on HIS behalf at the court hearing. This isn't to say that he had never abused her, but that the entire relationship was toxic and it was splattering all over anyone close to them. Just a damned shame that it has also splattered onto Urban, who tried to give the guy a chance to work and support his family, as well as the University. Urban really could not have fired this guy any earlier, because there was nothing but chatter -- no actual arrests or other actions that would constitute just cause for termination. 

If this were most any other university other than tOSU, this would be much ado about nothing. It is a matter that belongs in the hands of law enforcement and the judicial system (I know this personally as some of the women in my family have dealt with DV). Unfortunately, the national sports media uses it as some sort of warped social justice statement to harvest as many scalps as possible, rather than see it for what it is -- a personal matter that should not be sensationalized for the sake of clicks and dollars.

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MoEddieRobtCarlosBeanie's picture

Bottom line is that if Meyer followed protocol in 2015, it will be very difficult to fire him with cause. I could be wrong but being dishonest with a reporter seems like it would be a stretch to fire a head coach independent of all other possible violations. 

I don't like the two week time table. I dislike it as an Urban supporter if he is ultimately going to be our coach, because it is just two more weeks for mud slinging and character assassination. If he followed protocol, why not get that out there as soon as possible. If you are sitting on facts that prove that exonerate Urban, why not at least try to control the narrative a little bit? It seems like proving that Urban is innocent should take very little time, but proving his guilt and properly getting out from under his contract would take considerably more time. So I fear that it could be the latter.

It feels like this conversation has been elevated above football, but there are real world consequences for the team and the football program. If Urban is publicly tarred and feathered in the media for the next two weeks, half of the recruits in our pipeline decide to start looking elsewhere, and the team misses a few weeks of the season's most important practices with their coach, it could create an environment where it is very difficult for Urban to come back in and effectively do his job.

If Urban's superiors were aware of the 2015 innocent, it seems like that would be fairly easy to reach a conclusion and at least stop the bleeding.

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stxbuck's picture

Agree with the post, but disagree on the timetable statement. Setting a self imposed deadline will allow the committee to work quickly and efficiently, and outside forces-media, public opinion, donors,whomever-less time to to put pressure, spin, and their own agendas on this situation.

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JoshieD's picture

Scenarios and my reaction/logic:

#1 - Urban knew about everything, didn't report it/hid it/pressured others not to disclose it = he should be fired immediately and I would be fine with it. Since that didn't happen - I'm assuming this isn't the correct scenario.
#2 - Urban knew, reported it through his chain of command and "let the professionals do their jobs" as he said repeatedly at media days. If this is true, then tOSU dives further to make sure they have their ducks in a row. = they KEEP Meyer, probably fire someone else (Gene Smith?) or explain why they handled it appropriately and don't do anything. I will be HAPPY but the media and non-OSU fans will be LIVID. Cry foul, complain, maybe even protest, etc...
#3 - Urban knew, reported it. tOSU is afraid of media/PR look and they fire him. They THINK this will satisfy the bloodthirst - but it won't. = I am VERY UNHAPPY, and tOSU gets eaten alive as media starts going after the other assistants, former assistants, wide receivers currently on staff...they smell blood in the water and they won't let up until the entire ship sinks.

If you don't believe these scenarios - show me ONE instance where someone cowers to the public/media/PR pressure and then the media says, "ok, thank you, we will move onto another story now."

If tOSU knows that Urban did exactly what they asked him to do - and they fire him anyways because of "pressure" believe me, the target just gets moved to the other coaches, staff, even players as to "what you knew and when you knew it" nonsense.
 

Thoughts?

vicariously living through tOSU since 1987...

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Buckeye1996's picture

Scenario #3 will be blown up once McMurphy is served with papers to respond to allegations of libel or whatever is the correct term.

You will see the rest of the cockroaches who sprung off of his story backtrack and run back to their closets to watch the take down.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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DibbleDabble's picture

#4 - Urban and Gene Smith are both let go.  Ryan Day coaches the season. Matt Campbell is hired in December as the next head coach for 2019 season, the entire current staff moves on.

I hope I am wrong and Urban retains his job and bounces back strong, but I've never seen this university and BOT support an embattled coach taking grenades along the PR trail.  I am seriously worried that Urban's tweet Friday night was his declaration of war and his willingness to fight for his contract, but last night's publicly announced 14 day time table put out by Ohio State, is the cruise missile launched by the administration towards Urban's camp in response...    if he refuses to settle in 14 days it will explode.  

The administration, Michael Drake, the athletic dept., no one would re-tweet or publicly support Urban's letter Friday night..  I think that silence is alarming. 

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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Buckeye1996's picture

My man. You got some good points but that is the worst case. Under that scenario, I will give up my fan card and never follow OSU in any capacity - and raise hell as an alumnus on my way out.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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shiloh's picture

Re: support Tressel flat out lied to the NCAA. Meyer didn't lie to anyone!

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

He's spoken extensively of how much research he put into this story and how proud of it he is

Yet, he didn't ask either Meyer or Ohio State for comment. 

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TigerSweat's picture

Hell, he didn't even ask Shelley for a comment and she's a central character to his narrative! That proves that there was nothing objective about his article - it was a hit piece from the beginning and he's lying when he claims otherwise. (Likely) a former coach tapped Brett with this in hopes he would do his usual hack journalism on it and it worked. Imo, it was almost certainly Ed warriner who contacted McMurphy.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

That's actually what I meant by "either Meyer", meaning Shelley or Urban.  But, now that I see it, it's poorly worded as is.  You'd think that the person you're stating was party two, in a two-party conversation, would be able to provide some critical context to your story.

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Lincoln Linworth's picture

Was Meyer's Media Days response due to questions about 2015 that used the word “arrested?

It's really hard to say, but probably not.

I would edit this to "It's hard to say - we just don't have enough information yet."  We need to know what the text message said that he received the night before.  Let's just suppose that the the text message that he received said something like "Brett McMurphy is reporting that Zach Smith was arrested in 2015."  That's a plausible scenario.  Then, this happened...

The morning of July 24, hours after Meyer fired Zach Smith, he was approached in a hotel walkway by Bill Landis of Cleveland.com, Tim May of the Columbus Dispatch and Dan Murphy of ESPN.

Landis asked Meyer if he was “aware of alleged incidents with Zach in 2009 and 2015,” May asked about “the revelation from yesterday” and Murphy asked about the “2015 thing.”

The reporters were being vague and so for all Meyer knows, they were referring to the reported arrest.  Meyer only knows about an incident in which the police were involved, but in which no charges were filed.  To his knowledge - and presumably to the knowledge of the people he told - there was no arrest in 2015.  But now someone is reporting it, he was alerted by text message, and he assumes the questions he's getting are about the arrest.  So he responds this way...

Meyer responded, saying, “In 2015, there was nothing. When I first heard that last night, I said, ‘Do some research,’ and there was nothing.”

If he assumes the questioning was about the arrest, this would be factually accurate.  There was no arrest.  Then, later, there was more vague questioning...

Later that morning, speaking from the podium, Meyer was again asked about the “inquiry into 2015” and he said, “2015, I got a text late last night something happened in 2015. And there was nothing. Once again, there's nothing – once again, I don't know who creates a story like that.”

In neither of those cases was Meyer asked about whether Zach Smith was arrested in 2015. He was only asked about the incident in vague terms, like "revelation,” “thing,” and “inquiry.”

So Meyer again assumes they're talking about an arrest and has to explain that there was no arrest.  Finally, he issues his statement...

Further, in his statement released Friday, Urban Meyer apologized for “the way I handled those questions,” not for misunderstanding what was being asked.

This argument I'm outlining does center around him misunderstanding what was being asked.  Regardless, he probably wishes now that he would have been very specific with his answers and, thus, issued the apology.  Think about it - making a public statement that he misunderstood (even if that IS what happened) would have gone over even worse than just apologizing for not handling the questions well.  There had to have been a lot of thought about how his public statement would have been received which is why he made the choice he did.

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Boss Hog Buckeyes's picture

Who creates a story like that?  Brett McMurphy.  Who runs with it?  Everyone else.

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Buckeye1996's picture

Let's not forget that Shelley was brought into this front and center by McMurphy's willingness to publish one side a very complicated and horrible issue.

I honestly believe that she was there to help at various points in time. How would this sit with any of us who have a wife or loved one? Urban won't let this go. I can promise you that. He not only has a motive but he also has the alpha male mentality, tenacity, and the money and connections to go after McMurphy hard. This was one of McMurphy's biggest boo boos. I was taught to never mess with someone else's livelihood and/or family. McMurphy did both!

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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MABuck's picture

What do you mean you dont expect McMurphy's edits to 'mean much'?  The initial report was used as a basis for Ubran being asked questions about Zach Smith at B1G Media days.  The fact that his report was completely inaccurate at that time is the entire point.  If the report had been accurate at the time, people wouldnt not have said "Urban Lied", which people are still claiming even though McMurphy edited his posts.  

I'm sure the commissions' report will put Urban in position to sue multiple parties and I hope he does.   This entire thing is a planned hit on UFM and Ohio State.  

#McMurphyLied

#FakeNews

MASSBuck

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Poco Loco's picture

Has anyone noticed that Mary Jo White also was part of the groups that investigated "Bounty Gate", Jerry Richardson, and Zeek? How did all of those turn out?

a hard rock miner from Butte, Montana

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

#FreeReuben...........

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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wigmon's picture

CAn someone give a relatively concise series of reports/events that cover the 2015 incident(s).  The first call in Oct 2015 was about someone she thought was following her (described as a male in his 60's).  In that report, she mentions she's had troubles with her husband, but a guy in his 60's clearly isn't her husband.  On Oct 25th, she called to say her husband had her son and hadn't brought him back when he was supposed to.  On Oct 26th, she called and said the previous night there had been a "domestic incident" with no specific details, but also stated that she has been suffering sustained physical abuse.  She also made mention of filing a restraining order.  Then in November, '15, she filed a stalking complaint, but I don't know that Zach was identified in that one. 

Is this information accurate and if so, is it the 26th complaint about a "domestic incident" that McMurphy says when the the felonious domestic violence occurred?  Also, Zach is saying the incident he recalls had him being called off a recruiting trip.  This certainly doesn't seem to mesh with the October complaints in 2015 because Zach supposedly had the kids.  This is where I am confused.  If Zach was called back from a recruiting trip, when would that have been as it doesn't seem to match up with any of these police reports.  We were coming up on a bye week after beating Rutgers, so Its possible I guess its possible the coaches would take a couple of days for recruiting.  I am just trying to understand whether I've got the timeline correct and if McMurphy's reporting has been based on this October 25th incident.

I know there are a lot of scenarios that could play out and I think a lot of us are overthinking things because we simply don't know all the details.  I will say I don't think for a second that Meyer would try to protect any coach that he knew was beating his wife.  I also don't believe that if there was any evidence that Zach was physical with Courtney, that a police department would not arrest him.  The Florida police department arrested him with the only physical evidence being Courtney having a stretched T-shirt and a red mark on Zachs arm. 

If I were to ask McMurhpy 2 questions, the first would be, show me the police report that shows what you claim in your initial report (Zach arrested for felonious domestic violence) and what did Courtney's parents say when you interviewed them and asked about her abuse  (or if he didn't seek to talk to them, why not)?

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Buckeye1996's picture

That attorney in the audio that I posted above said that 6 of 9 incident reports were not related to domestic stuff. The other 3, I'm not sure.

This is where it goes off the rails (among other issues, I can't keep up with the 'misreporting) in the media reports. They talk about 9 domestic related issues when at least 6 of them are not.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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Facemeat2's picture

Two more weeks of running in circles. Wonderful 

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MoEddieRobtCarlosBeanie's picture

Pretty much...

But that's really what worries me. The evidence to clear Urban's name should be readily available. If they have this exonerating proof and they are just going to sit on it for two weeks, that seems like it would be a great disservice to not just Urban Meyer, but also the team and fan-base.

I'm not buying the 'they just want to make sure' theory. This concrete evidence should be readily available and truthfully they should have had that resolved well before Urban even sat down and penned that letter, and should not have  even required a special investigation team. 

The only way 14 days of preparation makes sense is if you are preparing to shit-can a guy with a $39,000,000 contract and you want to make damn sure that you are not going to be liable for that when the smoke clears.

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Facemeat2's picture

Conversely, I could state my OPINION that if they were going to fire him, now is the time. This story is still flaming hot and they would get a ton of support from the media. Thus, we’re still running in circles aren’t we? 

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MoEddieRobtCarlosBeanie's picture

Of course.. Yes, you can state your opinion, even the variety of opinion that would require ALL CAPS.

Relax buddy, I think we're on the same side.  

If you are trying to avoid people's opinions on the matter, perhaps it would be better to avoid the comments thread of a fan-site article discussing the matter to which you are trying to avoid. I come here because I want to read other's points of view. Yes we have discussed this ad nauseam at this point, but again, that should be expected when you read and participate in these comments and discussions.

To your point, yes I somewhat agree with what you saying, and I certainly hope you are correct. 

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Facemeat2's picture

Thank you for telling me how to spend my time on the internet

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MoEddieRobtCarlosBeanie's picture

If you don't slow down here pal, I'm going to take back the upvote I gave you. 

I'm not sure you deserve it.

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ibuck's picture

The only way 14 days of preparation makes sense is if you are preparing...

Controversy and public outcry tend to lessen over time. I suspect that OSU, the committee and the high profile lawyers involved are hoping this occurs. Then they can present their findings in a calmer, more reasonable atmosphere.

At this point, I doubt anyone else will be fired. Though there may be some discipline meted out for PR reasons—as long as that discipline / loss of money is legally defensible.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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BuckNutzGasMan's picture

A lot of media people out there on a mission to make sure UFM and tOSU are held accountable. 

I really hope there is someone that pushes McMurphy's accountability to the bitter end.  He clearly exaggerated to make the story bigger.

Was it Dan Rather that got fired for doing the same?

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TigerSweat's picture

This makes we curious as to how Nick Saban and Alabama keep themselves insulated from a scathing report of organized cheating and cover ups... Think back on how many Instagram pics we saw of 18 year old kids who just signed with Alabama flashing huge wads of cash and showing off their new cars. Where was McChodesmoke for that one? Alabama has almost unquestionably paid kids large sums of cash and new vehicles to come there to play football. It isn't even a well kept secret yet somehow Saban is always depicted as a saint in the media.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I don't even thing the Facebook edits matter much at this point.  Isn't the key to this whole thing what Urban knew and did he report it to the proper channels?  He said he did in his statement.  Unless the investigation finds that to be bullshit, then there's only one way this can end, right?  He returns, suspension at worst, probably a donation to some DV-related charity.

Speaking of Chicago, do you think it's possible that Urban denied knowing about the 2015 incident because the firing of Smith only happened a day earlier, and he wasn't sure exactly what he was allowed to say about it?  Of course, probably the best course of action in that situation is not to deny, but rather, just to say you can't speak on it.

Class of 2010.

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bd2999's picture

I think it matters, but probably not a ton for Meyer. It still does not indicate that most of his points were wrong, just he is not a very ethical journalist. The biggest issue for Meyer will be if he handled things right and even then, will the ship be righted by a punishment other than firing him?

He could very well get axed by the University because of the firestorm that fellout. It may not be fair but probably the likely possibility. At least in my mind. Returning him seems less likely because there will still be questions about it from the media that will hammer OSU about it. 

And OSU has to be considering all that. Fairly or not. 

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wigmon's picture

I agree.  HE isn't going to get terminated for what he said to the media.  I think the current suspension is just because of that.  IF he had just said no comment, we might have still gotten an independent investigation, but Meyer wouldn't be on suspension. 

Now, to get fired, they have to find that he hid something.  Even the guy who takes liberty with the truth hasn't claimed he has any direct evidence of any physical abuse that either wasn't already reported to police, or even knew of any claims that weren't.  ITs clear from the Shelley Meyers texts that he presented that Courtney made it clear she had contacted police, but no arrests were made.

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Knite's picture

As for the investigation, don't expect McMurphy's failure to disclose his edits to matter much. In Meyer's statement, he said he was aware of the 2015 incident between Zach and Courtney Smith and that he reported it to the “proper channels.”

There ya go story over. Next pls......

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

If Meyer really gets fired over this then the osu folks are a bunch of spineless turds that only care about public perception 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Maka's picture

If Urban decides to protect his wife from a thousand questions, I guarantee he takes a buyout. People will ask... Wouldnt accepting a buyout make him look guilty? If Urban knows he did everything right, he doesnt give to sh*ts what other people think. All he cares about are those close to him...family 1st.

He fired Zach because it isnt fair for the players to deal with the distraction. 

Well, what do we have now? A larger distraction that will not go away silently. I know this is the unpopular Buckeye fanbase opinion....but I see the writing on the wall. Urban, much like Tress will always put family 1st. And the players are family. 

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mooboy's picture

We live in a sad time and country going to pot, when media is allowed to say ANYTHING about ANYBODY with out repercussion, courts now look for grey instead of black and white ,and illegals being legal with more rights then white working middleclass guys ,and CBS sports radio over the weekend ,morning edition 4-6 pounding for URBIN to be fired calling him a sleeze , and they hide behind their freedom of speech,  tell that to Howard Cosell ,Jimmy The Greek, John Rocker, Roseanne Barr , and the numerous athletes having to apologize for things said years ago.People need to grow up , I hope  Urbin  has told the truth and stays as coach  but what a scathing he and his family are taking over something said and not actually proven, only  thing for sure the SMITH marriage was a mess, and it appears  on both sides. And I am sure most posters here would rather be talking  football instead of he said she said crap.

Jlr

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Mikeosu02's picture

Holy shit, is this a bad take.

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Bobby Bow's picture

Wow! I expected to see tOSU fans to be supportive of Meyer.

But Wow! I was not prepared for the attack the messenger virus that has spread throughout Ohio.

Do any of you people care that this guy beat his wife and that Meyer and the AD did nothing about it?  

I particularly liked Meyer's initial statement when he talked about praying on the situation. If Urban Meyer needs to pray to know what to do about a wife beater, then his parents wasted their time in teaching him right from wrong. I wonder now what Urban would do if he found out that one of his star players had assaulted one of his daughters? See, this is the problem - your moral code needs to be 100%, not convenient.

Bobby Bow

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

Please provide proof of "Urban and the AD did nothing about it".  In addition, please add what the hell he was supposed to do, when the police were already involved, no arrests were made, and no charges filed????

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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wigmon's picture

I think most people look at all the police reports she filed over the years and only one of those contained any mention of a specific physical interaction with the only evidence being a stretched shirt.  Maybe this is a bad assumption, but if all the physical abuse that she mentions occurred, given the number of police interactions she had, if there was any real evidence that domestic abuse/felonious assaults had occurred, the police and prosecutors would have arrested him, especially given the fact that they arrested him for trying to drop their kid off at her apartment when she didn't show up at the designated meeting place.

Does this mean that nothing bad happened in the relationship?  Of course not, but there hasn't been any evidence provided that Meyer knew anything or hid anything, so people are backing Meyer.

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grantlandR's picture

Meyer may only have been asked about the incident in vague terms, like "revelation,” “thing,” and “inquiry”, but they were all referring to McMurphey's Facebook report, and that was what Meyer's responses were directed towards.

So I disagree, I'm sure in part that Meyer was reacting to the report an arrest had been made. Also, Meyer likely knew only of the original police report (at least generally), which made no mention of felony domestic violence and felony assault, and was reacting to what perhaps must have seemed like false and slanderous hyperbole.

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GoBuckswin's picture

I heard that President Drake got a message from former President Gee saying what a swell job he is doing in this crisis, but his only suggestion was for President Drake to make sure to say to the media "I just hope that Urban does not fire me!"

Bucks fans in Mass

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