Sooner the better....gonna be a long two friggin weeks
Buy the ticket take the ride.
It shouldn't take two weeks to investigate a situation like this. It should be done by Wednesday at the latest, nothing new is gonna emerge.
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It shouldn't take two weeks to investigate a situation like this.
That was my thought too... its possible the 'investigation' is just about finished already (assuming its true that the events were reported and ran up the chain).
I'd would almost prefer to lose Urban until the Smith's court case has been presented. The information contained there is the only thing that is going to make anyone feel good about Meyer's retention or termination.
Unless the committee is already privy to the evidence being presented at the September hearing.
Or, they knew all along it was reported and handled appropriately by OSU, thus the expedited time table.
I'm already nauseous with anticipation.
Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.
Itshouldn't, but I'm okay with it if it gives the appearance that tOSU is truly doing it's due diligence. Honestly, I dont believe this committee is even investigating Urban anymore, I think they're investigating the Smiths and the Powell PD (to the best of they're ability). They'll want to make sure they've crossed all of the T's and dotted all of the I's on this one.
"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM
Just for kicks, go over and read the article pertaining to this at CBS sports... They refer to Meyer as "disgraced" and imply that he's lying about reporting the allegations in '15.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
The non osu media wants a coaching search for ratings that is clear and is true for any program at any time. Also mega advertising bonus points if they can create the appearance of a scandal. Ratings at 11w alone must be up at least 5x. That's 5x the rev....
Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month
There's a reason I refer to them as "See BS"!
The drive-by media can suck it.
"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland
Don't waste time with CBS, unless you want to "See BS".
This is long, but well worth your time, a lot of insight into Ohio Law, and a timeline of the Brett McBS fabrication of a hoax.
I think the most interesting thing to come out of this, other than Brett McMurphy is a backpedaling bullshit artist, is what he said about Ohio domestic violence law. I didn't know that a cop has to arrest the suspect if they reasonably believe that the suspect committed domestic violence. Kind of damages the "Courtney didn't press charges to save his job/$$$ train" idea that I had and I know many others had as well. The officer would have had to arrest Zach if they believed he did something...the fact that he wasn't on so many calls to the police back in 2015...
Class of 2010.
I agree. I feel like they must already have their conclusion about Urban's involvement and be investigating Ohio State's response (or inaction) to determine if that was a problem, and if so, where/who that failure point was. If it was a simple case of, "We found that there was a problem per police/text/phone/etc. evidence and it was never reported per the university... furthermore Urban / his lawyer were unable to produce evidence to the contrary," then he'd already be fired.
This is a dead issue. The investigation group has all the info they need. The two weeks is just to compare the evidence and paperwork from the University and the Police reports. When they find out all policies were followed they will make a statement. I suspect Urban will be cleared of any wrong doing. Now if I were Butthurt McMoron, I would be working on an apology piece to keep Urban Meyer or OSU from handing him a defamation lawsuit.
Football is a religion in Ohio. We attend our service every fall on the banks of the Olentangy. A place we affectionately call "the shoe".
Agreed, but they created a committee so now to not look stupid they have to spend a reasonable amount of time “investigating”. Any shorter than two weeks and the virtuous would say we don’t care about domestic violence. Once you have a committe you’re committed to about two weeks! This is a good sign ii think.
The investigation is going to be the easy part. The part that will take all the time is figuring out how they're going to say Coach Meyer gets to go back to work without giving the media and outrage mobs a way to spin it as being soft on domestic violence and ending up re-starting this entire witch hunt from scratch.
The heart of this mess is the idea that Zach Smith is a drunk who goes home and knocks his wife around and Coach Meyer knew and kept him on staff anyway. If the investigation reveals that isn't the case, how do you say that to the media where a man is always guilty when accused by a woman?
Who cares about football?!?! I have had 5 crappy breakfasts in a row because I don't have my gosh darn breakfast coach!!!! (sorry for the language) Three days ago I ended up eating part of a cardboard cereal box, then yesterday I broke a tooth on a friggin Lego in my eggs, and this morning I had dinner(!!) for breakfast!!! I need my breakfast coach NOW #freeUrban
No, free the truth whatever that may be, whether we like it or not
I have no idea how your comment has gotten any downvotes - it is clear that the situation is not as damning as it initially appeared, but it's still going to be important to find everything that happened and make a fair decision. We shouldn't assume Meyer is clear (or deserves to be clear) yet.
last i heard, people are INNOCENT until PROVEN GUILTY.....not the other way around.
and people are unemployed until they are actively employed.
True. You still can't assume what the findings will be.
Jay Paterno agrees with you
The court of public opinion and the media disagree.
To them it is guilty until they find something better to talk about.
Absolutely. The truth is the most important thing here, regardless of outcome.
The truth is no arrests were made and no charges were filed until last month when Smith was fired. Aside from that the only reason we're talking about this is because Urban was caught off guard by a question about an arrest that didn't happen and didn't say "no comment" like he should have.
These are the known facts right now. In my opinion, based on the known evidence, Meyer should not be fired. However, if the investigative team finds something far more damning than anything known so far, then that will be valuable information.
Unless he is lying about reporting it (which would be a mindnumbing turn of events & stupidity) Then all we have is a misunderstanding of his interpretation of an interview question... 2 weeks is insane
Lay out all the facts and let the chips fall where they may.
There is a custody battle looming, and make no mistake it will be a war, and the first casualty of war is always the truth.
I will not be surprised if this turns out to be a hoax, perpetrated by the ex in an attempt to gain sole custody of the kids. She fabricates some evidence and gets lucky that a sympathetic, naïve, yet over-zealous cop responds to the call, and then goes and arrests Zack.
Then, has-been Brent McBS, desperate for a story to rejuvenate his existence takes some literary liberties by changing the word “investigated” to “arrested” when describing law enforcements response to some domestic events in 2015, and now the lid is off Pandora’s Box.
Then during B1G Media Day, they stick a mic in Urban’s face asking what he knew about Zack’s “Felonious Domestic Abuse arrest in 2015", then claim he lied about not knowing about something that never happened. Hell if that’s the new standard, we can all be in trouble. I don’t know about you, but I don’t know what I don’t know, about something, sometime ago that may or may not have happened the way you describe it happened. I could be in trouble.
OSU is in a “no win” situation, the independent investigation is the only move they could make and maintain an objective appearance. Now the board just needs to go visit the Powell PD, good chance every cop there will know the Smiths.
Urban really is a stand-up guy, he is not a pretender. Urban knows his limits, he owns what is his and gives to the professionals what is theirs, and he has not done anything wrong, OSU has not done anything wrong. If they take action against their staff\faculty member every time somebody complains, well I guess every student at OSU will get an A in every class they take, or will take, or ever took.
The root cause of this fiasco is Zack and Courtney’s failure to honor their vows to each other. Marriage isn’t always easy, so before the journey begins, you need to both be sure the other one is the right one, and you understand what it means when you stand before God and enter into a covenant “For better and for worse, and through sickness and in health, for as long as we both shall live.”
Any who, everybody has an opinion, and this is mine. There is no value in worrying, so don’t.
I say Free Urban period...… So They say he lied to the press, big freakin deal.... It is a sad pathetic world when we are forced to answer the press's questions just because they think that we should. In what world is it illegal lie to the press. This whole thing started because some worthless ESPN wanna be reporter got his feelings hurt when he wrote a fast half thought out story he thought he had all figured out. A story that would put him on top of the world and make his name known from coast to coast.....A story the more I read about the facts as he continues to rewrite it and try to cover up how wrong he was to jump to conclusions just because he was buthurt that Meyer asked who comes up with a story like that infront of a room full of other reporters making him look bad. The press lies all the time why are we not putting them on the chopping block. When did they become royalty and immune to the ax? I think this has gone on long enough and if there was more to the story that was creditable it would be out by now. It is painfully Obvious that Meyer did everything he was supposed to do in reporting it to his bosses. Meyer should be on the field now coaching the team not sitting at home putting up with this BS. What OSU should of done after the point should not effect Meyer from here on. If the police had no evidence to arrest Smith in 2015 what is he supposed to do? Doesn't matter if Mrs nutjob wanted to press charges or not. If the police would of found evidence of Mr nutjob choking Mrs Nutjob then the police would of arrested him on the spot. That is the law in Ohio. Not saying nothing happened but then again I don't care anymore. This has nothing to do with weather Meyer should or shouldn't be let go. Meyer Did what was asked of him. OSU knew about it now let him get back to work.
Don’t know what to make of this TBH.
"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman
“SWING!....... SWING!!........ SWING!!!!!!!”
Hey now... I coined that in 2013. Hahaha. I was going to inquire about possibly changing, because it wasn’t looking to good for me.
And here I thought it was coined by Al Gore. But then I'm just an Ohio farm boy. What do I know.
Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)
I don't think we can make anything of it, I just don't know why they'd make any public comment and set themselves a time limit unless they already know what they're going to say. And in that case why not just say it now?
Told y'all, he's gonna be back right before the opener.
Or, we’ll know that Ryan Day will be the man for at least this season, at least a few games of the season, or any number of different outcomes
judging by urbans demeanor and willingness to cooperate, i think there is only one outcome.
If meyer gets a suspension, no way it is full season. Just my opinion, but I would bet the house it will be 2-4 games or termination......
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
This tells me that the committee already has a good idea what it is dealing with. They would not have set a two-week timetable if there were a lot of loose ends. This also tells me that there is no direct evidence of a major violation against Urban. In this case, why wait for two more weeks.
The keyword here is within. Could be tomorrow. My guess is sometime this coming week. I doubt we wait the full 14 days to hear something.
I'd bet on this Friday afternoon.
"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."
At about 430 pm?
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
According to CommonMan & TBone, right when they get off the air. (Insert Eye Roll)
They are jack wagons, speaking of common man and t-bone
Common man is the first one to complain about coaches being boring in press conferences.
Then he goes on a witch hunt when a coach misspeaks 1 time.
Don’t read too much into it. No one knows
I just don't know why they'd say anything. How do they know how long it will take unless they already know what they're dealing with?
And if they already know what they're dealing with, why wait two more weeks?
Agreed that the committee knows the facts. Not surprising they do-you just have to talk to five people (CS,ZS,UM,SM,GS), get texts and emails and talk to Powell Police.
They have to wait two weeks bc if they clear him more quickly, will get a lot of grief. And two weeks of practice is nothing.
Probably more than that. They’ll want to talk to Shelley and the other coaches wives they were in those texts to figure out who was told what when. They’ll probably talk to the title ix coordinator or whoever should have received the report. Powell police officers. Other coaches to see if it was common knowledge.
hell now that I type this out I have no idea if two weeks is reasonable.
Don't forget that they already have piles of information from 2015,assuming the University did their due diligence after Urban reported it, and Gene called ZS back from the road.
I am certain that, even if we historically disagree with how they handled it, Ohio State documented what they did, and why they did it. I could be wrong, but post-Ray Rice, I don't see them doing anything less.
With all of that information already in hand, they'll proceed from there (or so I presume).
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Or will the independent committee decide that while they do have that information, they would like to confirm and build that knowledge from the base up. Not considering any previous information concrete fact.
Brutus you have a firm grasp of the process. Cover all the bases, be thorough.
Don’t understand the DV
He's been anti-urban since this story broke. I'd say that the DV's are in response to that.
But maybe he is like the prodigal son who has repented and seen the error of his ways.
It wasn't my dv, but to suggest that the committee needs to review text messages of the wives of coaches, who have nothing to do with the athletic department, means there is a very poor grasp of the protocol.
So you're saying the University should turn into a quasi police department, and perform the job of law enforcement? Absolutely insane.
No domestic abuse criminal charges ever filed against ZS. If the University is trying to investigate a marital dispute and reach a definitive conclusion that would cost Urban his job, this is absolutely fucking crazy. This is he/she said at best. The only reliable, factual, information we have is from the Powell police. Let law enforcement, and the Powell police department do it's job.
This along with Urban reporting to his superiors, is really all we need to know.
(I upvoted you btw)
They might want to, but those coaches wives dont need to talk at all since they are not employed by OSU and they're not being investigated for anything criminal. If asked to talk I'm sure they would though.
"In times of difficulty, those brave enough to stay the course will still be inferior to Ohio State in the end" -Bo Schembechler
Seriously. All they need to know is if Urban Meyer followed protocol. Who cares which coaches' wives knew what and when? They are not part of this equation.
What the coach's wived knew and said only becomes important if something happened beyond what Urban reported. If the committee wants to make sure there were no other incidents ("bombshells" if and when they would come out) that Urban knew about and perhaps didn't report, talking to them would be important for tying up loose ends.
This is not a police investigation. This special group, is not the judge and jury.
Very slippery slope!!
If UM flowed procedures then he’s clear. Lied to the media? All coaches would be fired, however his answer has caused him this mess...
One man that has a mind and knows it can always beat ten men who haven't and don't.
Why? This is a decision on where Meyer reported to his bosses as he was to do. It should not have anything to do with the DV case at all. Meyer has admitted that he knew what went on in 2015 and that he forewarded what he new to OSU. OSU knew and called Smith while he was away to come back right away. Meyer did what he was to do. Should not be that hard for a group of people to figure out weather he did or didn't inform his bosses. If I were Meyer I would be consulting my attorny on possible charges against the spotty reporting done by Mcwishiwasfamouse.
The irony is that we have made him Mcwishiwasfamouse by making him... Infamous. Sorry couldn't help myself
"I don't apologize for anything. When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes
If there is direct evidence against him the timetable would certainly be less than 2 weeks.
if there was ANY evidence against urban, they wouldn't need a committee. this is just ohio state being safe and appeasing the lynch mob wanting to oust urban based on a sensationalist story from a guy who didn't even get all the info before writing it.
They're waiting for the next media storm to remove for this story to fade. If it wasn't for recruiting, they'd let this drag on later
That sounds reasonable. Finite number of witnesses and records. Let's get this done and make a call.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
14 days from today or 14 days from when it started?
That's the first thing I thought of as well.
I'd guess 14 days from today... the release makes it sound like the got together, divided up roles, appointed who was in charge of what and then said we'll have our report to President Drake within two weeks..
To me that sounds like he'll get the report two weekends from today and then probably set a press conference for the 21st of August after he's decided what to do with the information the committee provide him.
Or, we have all the info we need but why stop the party early?
My guess is a two week suspension. (Just my thoughts, not what I necessarily think is fair).
Two game suspension? He’s on record now as saying he did everything he was required to do. This will be a Gene Smith or HR issue. If Urban is suspended for two games - even just for appearances - it’ll be because he admits that he lied about something else, which would make this entire issue murkier. I don’t think any corrective actions will include suspending him.
I tend to agree.. He'll either be reinstated immediately or he'll be fired.
While I agree, they may decide on a suspension just to attempt to appease the media and the #metoo crowd.
Agreed. If he followed proper reporting procedures, he shouldn't get one - but he will because of P.R.
Nothing will appease the Twitter crowd aside from firing and public stoning, as if he was the abuser. Not to mention all the imbecile reporters who called for his head on the permanent record before having all the facts. Two week suspension will mean nothing to them.
LMAO! i said pitchforks, torches and lynching - but a good stoning will do! great comment, extra.
and yea, the national media and the internet nutjobs aren't going to let the truth get in the way of their hatred. even when urban is reinstated, many will still be b1tching about it.
Sorry not good enough. A suspension would be an admission of guilt. No way Urban takes that if he followed procedure. The time he is away from the team right now is punishment enough.
Any admission of guilt opens the university up to a lawsuit by Courtney Smith. Either reinstate or fire.
They can suspend him for misleading the media. Not saying that’s what he did, but that’s not an admission of guilt of anything other than...misleading the media.
“We expect our coaches to have the highest ethical standards in dealing with these issues to the public blah blah blah”
They can suspend him for misleading the media.
Is the university going to suspend every coach and politician in America as well? Is it now university policiy to discuss personal issues with a bunch of blood thirsty parasites who will just spin the answers to create sensational headlines. Normal Americans no longer trust the media and could care less that Urban lied to some sports writers at B1G media day. The only people who care are the members of the self-righteous media.
I’m a normal American. I was taught and still believe the press is the 5th Estate and serves an essential function in a free society. There are a few media outlets out there that I feel are mostly untrustworthy but in general the majority of them I trust. (But verify).
Au contraire, monsieur, the "estates" are not "normal American" terms, but French, and the fifth estate is not the news media, that's the fourth estate.
In the old Kingdom of France (Ancien Regime) there were originally "three estates of the realm" that is the nobility, the clergy and the commoners. A fourth estate or power (quatrieme pouvoir) was added which was the press or the mainstream news media. A fifth estate was added which was the biased underground newspapers and now recently refers to the bloggers on social media.
Touché & thanks for taking the time for your post. I learned something from it.
Merci, you are a gentleman, and a prime example of the type of 11W member that makes this sport site worthwhile.
Well according to the latest Axios poll 72% of Americans no longer trust the media, that’s a pretty good majority.
The latest Gallup poll had the number at 62%.
"normal Americans." I'd take a guess at your political leanings but it's not allowed here.
The polls in my post above provide poll numbers which include republicans, democrats, and independents. Trust in the media is now below 60%, which would be a filibuster-proof majority.
I don't think that politicians or coaches for other schools are within their jurisdiction, but perhaps I'm wrong.
why? lawsuit for what? there is no domestic violence conviction here. and she actively helped hide any record of the events in question.
Doesn’t matter if Ohio State is willing to settle out of court to make it go away.
But that's not going to appease them. It's admitting wrongdoing. Fire him if he did something wrong, bring him back if he didn't. Period. Anything in between is a bigger PR nightmare than doing either of the other things.
If Urban is to be disciplined for whatever reason, then fine him rather than suspend him. Why hurt the team and the fans by suspending the head coach for a game? Are we or the players to blame?
As big of a fan as anyone on here. I hope the facts support him staying here. But a fine (assuming there is any guilt) does NOTHING. In order to really “make it hurt” for a guy like him, you’d have to fine him millions of dollars (which isn’t happening).
I too hope, in fact, think that the facts will support Urban.
And fair enough, Urban will have to be hit hard for millions to really make it hurt, either by fines or suspensions.
At say $7.2 million per year, that's $600,000 per month, or $600,000 for each game out of 12 regular season games. So a 2-game suspension without pay would be about the same as a $1.2-million fine?
Zonabuck, Urban didn't admit to lying. He admitted to not being as clear as he could've been and not being prepared to address the media. If you haven't read the thread from reddit, you need to. It clearly proves how McMurphy misrepresented the story from the beginning and tried to cover it up after Meyer's briefing at B10 media days. It's very likely, if not certain, Urban's comments were applicable to McMurphy's report that Smith had been arrested, which we all now know is false in its entirety.
"If you're going through Hell, keep going." Sir Winston
That may be what he admitted, but the truth is he DID lie to the media. I'm not saying that's a big sin, but it is what he did. He knew there was an incident (which he apparently reported).
Analyticalguy: With what we know at this point, I totally disagree with you. At the time of the press conference, McMurphy was reporting that Zach had been arrested. We now know that wasn't the case at all. So, in the eyes of tOSU, Urban, and the police, this was just another of Courtney's unfounded accusations against Z. Smith--a non-incident. Granted, a much better answer would have been to say, something to the effect of, "There was never an arrest in 2015 and no evidence that Zach did anything illegal." But as Urban said, he just received the texts about McMurphy's grossly inaccurate story and wasn't prepped to give an answer. Anyone who's been on the public stage knows sometimes the words just don't come out the way you intend. To me it's easy to see why he made the statement he did--to refute the completely false story McMurphy had just published. It's also easy to see how that statement could be interpreted to be false; however, Urban deserves the benefit of the doubt. And I sure as hell wouldn't censure him in any way for a slip up over a story that was based on false information from the get go.
Responsibility for this whole uproar lies squarely at the feet of negligent reporting not only from the originator, but from all the media outlets who jumped aboard the "Hang Urban Meyer" bandwagon without verifying the facts. Worse, now that the original story is falling apart at the seams and one of their own misrepresented the facts, multiple media outlets are spinning their slipshod reporting as, "The accuracy of the original story doesn't matter. What matters is why tOSU kept Z. Smith on staff for so long." Well, maybe it's because Urban Meyer knows more about his staff than some unemployed vigilante reporter who shows up in town for three days.
suspension for what?
From people I've spoken to 1. people inside the OSU bubble think no or a few games suspension 2. people outside the OSU bubble say Urban should be gone.
Jesus. Should be done within 14 hours.
Sounds like a reasonable time frame. But what has Jesus got to do with this?
I was going to start working out again next week. Looks like I'll be drinking instead.
Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.
These are tough decisions for us all.
I say that every Sunday.
Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.
Frustration can turn into great motivation.
Mary Jo White is a very, very big time lawyer. Prosecuted terrorists. Now big deal in private practice. If you asked lawyers to name 5-10 most respected white collar lawyers in America, she would be on that list. No one will be able to say that investigation not serious or not impartial.
Just did a quick search on Mary Jo White on wiki. She was on the NFL’s external expert advisory committee on DV during Zeke Elliott’s investigation.
Is that good?
Not to me it’s not. Never did get a concrete answer on what Zeke did wrong.
She was not consulted as to what she felt the punishment for Zeke should be - which she felt was none.
Oh nice! I did not know that
My facts were wrong. Tia Roberts was the lead investigator, not Mary Jo White.
It was Roberts who would have recommended no suspension.
Why isn't she on this committee then? /s
NFL suspended Zeke for six weeks based on proofless allegations just for the optics of it. I think her inclusion is very very bad.
The League' decision did not seem to be based on that investigatory group's report. The investigation was the fact-finding. The league's decision was the optics.
I’d like to know exactly want her role was. iIRC McRoberts found the allegations unsubstantiated and recommended no punishment but her findings and recommendations were left out of the report. And the NFL handed down a stringent punishment. What role did this attorney play in that?
Wasn't Zeke's suspension on the heels of the dispensary issue and the New Orleans incident? Am I correct that he was suspended under conduct policy and not the provisions specific to DV incidents?
I think the incidents prior played a bigger factor in his 6 games than people may think
No, he was suspended for causing injuries to the alleged victim. Apparently Mary Jo White assisted in reviewing evidence but they all disregarded Ms McRoberts findings and recommendations despite the fact McRoberts was the only person to interview the alleged victim. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/lead-nfl-investigator-in-ezekiel-elli...
Ms. White’s addition to this process worries me greatly.
Is she a Buckeye fan?
No one will be able to say that investigation not serious or not impartial.
If they side in favor of Urban, the Twitter mob will still claim favoritism. Logic doesn't apply to them.
Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.
I just avoid Twitter.. those idiots can't influence shit if everyone ignores them
Oh there will be outrage no matter what if Urban is cleared even with evidence. We'll just have to tune it out and let Urban kindly go on his revenge tour week by week this season.
it'd be sweet year for a NC!
Not even sure why this needs to take 2 weeks, other than the optics of making it look too quick.
There are only a few people you need to talk to.
It's not just interviews. It's also cross referencing documents, preparing reports, and consulting with Ohio State attorneys. 2 weeks is pretty reasonable for all that stuff IMO. Ohio State can't mess this up.
I am kind of wondering if considering the time it takes to assemble and review the documentation if the investigation isn’t essentially already complete.
Gotta get those billable hours up into bonus range. Long days, Long nights, Duty calls
Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season
The only thing they need to cross reference is: did Meyer report the incident to his superiors? That's it.
The report they prepare can be one word "yes" or "no."
No, it's not. Was Urban's report complete, accurate, and filed properly. Were there other incidents? Did Meyer have a role (and if so what) in Bruce and deFriese visiting Ms Smith? And finally, did everyone at the University handle the reported information properly? We may thing this is all about Urban, but it's not.
Much more than a few... could be a dozen people in Florida if they choose to deep dive into 2009. Law enforcement, coaches, compliance department, gene smith, maybe even players not to mention all the students and osu employees who work with the team... could even be ex-coaches and players and that just takes time to coordinate...
yes, Zach was employed by the Florida football program in June 2009. Cops get called to his house in June 2009 and not much longer after he's off to Marshall... Two things. Did Urban tell OSU about this incident? and #2 why did Zach leave Florida? If Florida essentially told Zach to leave or he'd be fired and Urban knew that and didn't disclose it that's a BIG problem..
2009 has nothing to do with this. The only reason we're talking about this is because he said he didn't know anything about an incident in 2015, which made people think he didn't report it as necessary when it came out that Courtney texted Shelley Meyer about it. There's still no proof that Meyer knew about it aside from him saying he reported it. If he reported it, that's case closed.
Need a day or two to find the fall guy...best case guy is already dead /s
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
You didn’t hear this from me but it’s going to be Chris Carter.
I think Mary Jo White + short turnaround means they already know what happened and think the facts are clear. So I think facts actually are black and white. Just not sure which it is-could be there is 0 to the story, could be there is a lot and Urban is gone.
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking too. They probably already know which way this is gonna go.
Delaying his firing wouldn't make any sense. The trolls online are eating this shit up and are going after Urban and Ohio State every day.. I would think they would want to get that over with as soon as possible if that's indeed what they've uncovered. If anything, I think this is somewhat of a good sign that they're taking more time..
My feeling too.
Either way I still don't know why they'd announce a timeline.
From all the comments on 11W, there seem to be some opinions:
1. The 2 weeks is for Meyer to resign within 2 weeks.
2. Committee already knows what they are going to do and
(A). Fire him but take 2 weeks to ease things for Meyer supporters
(B). Reinstate with or without suspension
FWIW, my first thought when I heard about the 2 weeks is the committee doesn't see a reason to fire him. I could be wrong. My other thought was 2 weeks might make it easier for all involved (OSU players, coaches, Meyer). I could be wrong.
I think it is much more number 2 if any. I don't think based on Meyer putting out that statement that pretty much shifted all responsibility onto the athletic department that he would simply resign (settlement or not). The way I see his statement (and I think others have mentioned) was him digging in his heels and basically telling the school that they aren't going to just throw him to the curb like they've done before.
Would they not just fire him now if they have evidence he didn’t follow proper protocol?
Because they’d have a lot of pissed off fans and alumni. No matter what they decide they’re going to have a ton of documentation.
Pretty sure they don't care about alumni and fans. We aren't going anywhere. See: Tress and Woody.
Tress and Woody have absolutely nothing to do with this. Urban has neither punched an opposing player nor lied to the NCAA while under investigation.
I'm no expert - but yes - if Ohio State had cause to fire Urban, they would have done it already IMO.
Or, Mary Jo White is 90 and we better hurry the fuck up with this, just in case.
Two weeks seems ludicrous. How long are they going to put Gene on paid leave to investigate him?
“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13
Maybe he IS on unpaid leave, and THAT is why we haven't heard from him.
Me the next two weeks
You need to be humble or you will get humbled. - Jocko Willink
If I was wagering money, I feel like he would have been fired already if cause could be found contractually.
At this stage, I'd wager a 2-4 game suspension and Urbz will be back.
I say all or nothing. Why give a small suspension? It is silly to admit some guilt.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
I don't think a suspension is warranted (if he followed proper reporting protocol), but they will give one for P.R purposes.
The mob and several journalists who jumped the gun want his head. A suspension or fine will be meaningless to them.
I don’t know if that’s true. He’s got a $40m buyout. Even if they already decided to fire him they’re going to be damn sure they have a strong case.
they could have decided to fire him and now just need a big pile of evidence to justify not paying him.
You fire him because of optics and he keeps the $38M. You find a rule he broke and they don't owe him.. Not saying that's going to happen... but $38M is a lot of money.
Based on no DV abuse charges filed against ZS, that evidence does not exist. He/She said marital dispute. Too murky to definitely conclude DV, especially when no charges filed.
So if the University fires Urban, they'll owe him $38m. If the University attempts to fire "for cause", the University will lose in a wrongful termination suit.
That's not true..... Dozens of ways they could fire him for cause... people are too caught up in the he said she said stuff... something as simple as Urban not telling Gene about Zach's 2009 incident when they hired Zach in 2012 would be MORE than enough cause.. they could get Urban for failure to monitor his team... lots of stuff..
There isn't a 100% clean program in all of D1 football.. you go over any program with a fine tooth comb and you'll find stuff.. the events over the past week gave them enough doubts to look... they literally could find anything on Zach or something with zero connection to this stuff that brings up cause for firing...
The 2009 incident would have shown up on a background check, I would think.
No charges and we don;'t know what Zach left Florida prior to that season kicking off.. not sure any of that would show up. Would have been up to Urban to disclose all of that... most likely... he may have done that but so far we haven't heard that..
I found it on the Alachua County court site. It's there - all you gotta do is look. Further, if you've been fingerprinted, it shows up on a basic background check.
What also shows up is the outcome. 2009 would have shown the charges followed by 'Nolle Prossed' meaning charges were dropped.
2009 incident was well known among those who'd be interested about that kind of thing. Sorry, it's not a factor in this. Neither is title 9.
Sure, you can ATTEMPT to fire someone for cause. My guess is Urban's lawyer's will emphatically disagree with that reasoning. And my guess is Urban's lawyers will win. In a wrongful termination suit, Urbans lawyers will paint a much different picture.
Urban will get his $38m in the end.
And yet when they fired O'Brien, when there really was stuff, they lost in court.
They lost in court because of a poorly written contract, not because ob wasn't guility of ncaa violations. He was, the contract said he had to be found guilty of ncaa violations by the ncaa before being terminated, osu didn't wait for the invest. they canned his ass like he should have been, but he won in court because of the contract, not because he wasn't guilty of paying a player's mom $6,000. The contract put them in a bind, how do you put a coach on ice without firing him, get a new coach under those circumstances, and wait for the ncaa to find him guilty of violations, which he could then appeal, for who knows how long, and osu can't terminate him until he's found guilty by the ncaa. It could have taken years to get that result, with appeals etc. Osu did the right thing in firing him but they had to pay the piper for a horribly written contract. Hopefully whomever wrote that contract was fired as well, but he's probably living happily ever after on a fat pension somewhere, off yours and my tax dollars.
If what you’re saying is right about the “deep dive”, that means his Friday statement was not coordinated. Hmm.
If it was a true honest "deep dive" they wouldn't give themselves a two-week deadline.
I'm not sure what a suspension would be based on. If the information that's come out is true, there's nothing to suspend him for. The only thing Urban did that could possibly be reprimanded was not being entirely truthful at B1G media days. Hardly enough for a suspension.
It doesn't take 2 weeks to go over the 2015 stuff. They are doing a DEEP dive on some other part of this...
Like.... If Zach Smith was asked to leave Florida in 2009 and Urban and Zach never reported that in the hiring at OSU that would be more than enough...
Reading too many articles by hopeful journalists. 2009 has nothing to do with it. It was public knowledge
I agree with your point that his B1G media day mistakes are not, on their own, enough for a suspension...I do however believe that given the severity of the potential lie (I happen to believe Urban was referring to McMurphy's assertion that Zach Smith was arrested in 2015 when he said "who creates a story like that") there may be some repercussion. In other words, a 2-4 game suspension. I actually think that may benefit all sides in this. One point I think most can agree on, I wish Zach Smith had been gone in 2015...
"I love football. I think it is the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose." - Woody
It seems weird that they already have an endpoint. That almost makes it seem like they’ve already reached a conclusion.
"Vision without execution is just hallucination."
Get ready Oregon State, he's coming with a vengeance
If it's going to take 2 weeks probably means two things. Deep dive into why Zach left Florida in 2009 and interviewing a bunch of people in and around the facility who interacted with Zach over the past 6 years.. The Florida stuff alone could take a week with people needing to fly down there and interview folks.. Can't fully rule on Urban until you have the full Zach story..
I've lived in Florida 20 years. Know some people in the athletic Dept. Only thing I've heard were some phone calls related to Meyer's conduct with players (see James O'Keefe) .
Doesn't mean the Committee isn't doing this, but the two weeks isn't really enough turn around time for 2009. You have to not just gather the info, but process and present it.
You also wouldn't set an artificial timeline of 2 weeks if you were doing this "deep dive" you keep mentioning.
The only thing in question, that started this mess, is the 2015 incident and if Meyer/Gene/etc followed protocol.
If I could upvote this a million times, I would.
I can't help but laugh and think of what other fans that hate OSU would think of this gif posted on this article. I'm just embracing the hate at this point.
Not sure that I like the implications of Cam Newton in this thread.
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Once a Buckeye, Always a Buckeye
Literally how I'm feeling right now. My life is pretty small right now so all I have been doing is refreshing 11W and Twitter every few hours for some news
Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North.
So we get no news for the entire fall camp? Shitty
I hear that state up north has offered Urb a job.
Why would he want a job up there, he already owns the state of Michigan.
Upvoted this. Would upvote again for Papa emeritus, if I could.
We can't stop here; this is bat country...
What worries me is the best career move for President Drake might be to fire Meyer. He will get credit from many for being brave. And then if the team wins without Meyer (and they probably will) he gets it both ways. Team wins Big 10 and beats Michigan, he will be in pretty good shape.
This is not how he should think but I am being realistic about how people do think.
Firing people without cause usually ends poorly for the boss.
And this is one that would take the Board's blessing.
Love my School so what worries me is some ugly title ix stuff that springs out of this... we'll always have different coaches and presidents.. title ix stings for a LONG LONG time..
Except title IX is not applicable. As has been said since the beginning.
He'll do whatever the committee recommends.
I highly doubt President Drake will fire Urban just for a “career move”
"Because we couldn't go for three." -Woody Hayes
The whole point of forming the committee was to take the decision out of Gene and Drake’s hands.
No. Drake will make final decision, it’s been said so. It will be based on r commendation/findings of this committee.
Drake will make final decision, it’s been said so.
From the Ohio State statement last night:
"Decisions about actions, based on the findings of the investigation, will be made by the president of the university in consultation with the Board of Trustees."
Drake is not making this decision on his own.
You just said exactly what I said. And I never said Drake was making the decision alone. I said Drake will have FINAL decision, based on recommendations/findings from the committee.
"In consultation with" = "based on recommendations from"
Like Jon Waters????
I’m also worried about this being in Drake’s hands.
I can think of 38 million reasons that drake nor anyone else would have the balls to fire myer. It'd be north of 45 million by the time this case was settled. Plus a couple more million in lawyer fees, so it would be approaching 50 mill. by the time it was settled-without appeals. Not going to happen under any circumstance.
Urban Meyer should never been put on administrative leave. Reinstate him already and shove all the evidence that Meyer did his job up the lying media’s ass.
Absolutely, they could have conducted the investigation while he continued coaching, but they appeased the started by Mcbumblingidiot.
For those of you who think they already have the information they need in front of them and won’t need two weeks, you are underestimating the magnitude and severity of this. There will NOT be a rush to judgement either way.
Then why set themselves a deadline?
Did he report the incident in 2015 or not? That's it.
Because they probably figured out the task that need to be done and the time needed to do them, leaving some time for "contingencies" and knowing they can always give themselves more time if they decide they need it. Having a timeframe shows upfront that there is no rush to judgment, but still shuts down expecations of a result earlier.
Two weeks?? Having Mary Jo White on the case is a concern; she is a PC political animal.
The only hard day was yesterday
Or... it’s a good thing. Her presence gives the investigation more credibility.
I strongly disagree with that.
That is factually wrong. Why do you think that?
So is the Committee required to be unanimous in it's recommendations? If so, two weeks is not enough time.
Also, how many former/current attorneys sit on this panel? If the reddit lawyer can can pick this thing apart I'm sure a few former AG's can probably as well.
3 of the 6 are.
Never been more ready to flush.
Noon games suck
Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.
Apologies to Churchill who, and this is not widely known, was a diehard Buckeye fan!
Indeed, Woody and Winston would have been good buddies.
Too over the top?
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain
I’ll have no nails after these 2 weeks.
The Future is Bright at Ohio State
Quick turnaround is good for urb as long as his letter is factual...could verify this in a day. So I am thinking urb gets a rose and moves on...unless during the digging they stumble on something....then it gets dicey...stay tuned for the most dramatic rose ceremony yet...oh wait wrong reality show
Can we have a negative timeline and go back a week and never even put Urban on leave
If were just changing things in the past let’s go hire literally anyone else to be WR coach in 2012 and skip all of this
Great news for Urbs if you ask me! They’ll conclude their investigation within two weeks if not before. I wouldn’t be surprised if they release a statement of their findings by the end of this week and Urbs at most will get 2-3 games suspension if at all to appease the masses...IMO
Classes begin 8/21, I don't like that all of the students will be back when potentially bad news is coming. The football program is so unimportant to me in all this; whatever happens, please keep the already damaged reputation of my alma mater intact.
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What exactly has been damaged about your alma mater? That the employees in place followed proper protocol (allegedly). I'm sorry that I'm not willing to follow the guilty until proven innocent line of thinking that society has adopted.
This is not the only current ongoing scandal involving athletics at Ohio State. Like it or not, agree with it or not, Ohio State has received a huge amount of negative publicity over the last few months and to think the university's perception hasn't been damaged is naive.
I do not think two weeks is possible.
It's going to take them at least that long just to read all of our expert testimony and general counsel so they know what to do.
What a waste of time. What is there to investigate on Urban?! He did what he was supposed to do. This is absolutely ridiculous! Urban should be reinstated now! Let’s get back to football.
Just read ESPN's article on this time table... Once again, they mentioned Meyers statement and how he didn't handle the media session right but they fail to mention that he claims to have followed protocol with the allegations in '15... This is the second article I've read on ESPN that references the Meyer statement but omits the key parts. They're only interested in making this look as bad as possible for OSU.... I'll say it again - ESPN has a clear bias against OSU and they have for years. At least other outlets have cited the fact that Meyer claims to have taken the proper action.
I give your comment about 1 hour before Cincy appears in defense of ESPN
THAT is exactly why smart people do not trust the drive-by media.
You got that right. Most of the media now days are based on opinions instead of facts. I think it is interesting how the media defends few based on the possible facts but criticizes many based on rumors or little proof.
I'll say it again - ESPN has a clear bias against OSU and they have for years.
You can keep repeating it all you like, but you’re wrong and clearly blinded by confirmation bias.
And there it is! LOL. You literally scrolled through 200 comments to find the ONE comment about ESPN/. Called it. Classic
Well, two weeks of grilling Urban for not firing ZS fast enough. Hopefully he clarifies why he stood by ZS. While they’re at it I hope they’ll investigate :
Why cs didn’t divorce ZS fast enough
How a serial abuser never goes to jail?
Why not one angry Floridian ever mentioned one teeny bit about zs?(they readily circulated noise about extramarital affairs)
Why CS told Urban ‘everything’s fine’ after the Jan 2015 cfp. (Her admission)
Why Shelly M uses texts for deeply personal “counseling”
Why CS took a screen shot of a personal counseling text - the same day?
How does any university expect one coach to monitor and report 100 players, dozens of assistant coaches, trainers, therapists, scouts, AND their spouses and several hundred family members? (And this doesn’t include boosters and agents and now gamblers.)
Please reply with answers in red under each question.
It seems like a f#$%^&*witchunt
Enough i enough
I am proud of my University for it’s strong message and thorough investigation by a legitimate board that will be fair and objective. Whatever the result, our University will uphold its integrity and make a statement that will let all know this is more than about a football team, It is about the University. Thank you...
Like they did with the wresting team for the last 20 years?
Or perhaps what they should have done and now regret not doing.
We’re living in idiocracy. How much are they paying these people to investigate nothing???
Mary Jo White is probably $1500 per hour.
The 2-week time frame is certainly a surprise, which tells me that the issues being looked into are not actually all that extensive.
The presence of Mary Jo White is interesting. Let's face it, a committee that's made up of Ohioans and contains a couple of members of the Board of Trustees is going to lack credibility in some quarters if it comes back recommending little or no repercussions. But White has zero ties to the school or (so far as I know) to anyone who is involved in this. Her seal of approval for whatever the recommendation is will be vital to selling it to skeptics.
The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.
So damn stupid. He needs to be back NOW
"I love football. I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes
I'm watching Urban's first game as tOSU head coach on YouTube. I hope we get him back and soon. I have to believe that nothing like this will ever happen again if he's given another chance. Not that I think he did anything wrong (pending investigation), but it seems he came a long way since his Florida days and Zach was the last remaining piece.
Did anybody ask Mark May how he feels about this investigation?
Would be a great time to take a 2 week vacation
Heart: Urbans suspended, fined, and reprimanded.
Head: Urbans toast
Mary Jo White has been at the center of 3 well-known investigations. In all 3 something was found to warrant disciplinary action. Urbz isnt getting off scott-free. Those of you who want Urbz out may get your wish.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
so, using your head and thinking - you think he's fired. you must live in an alternate world where this is much worse than it is here. i don't see urban punished in any way at all.
Sorry, but if Gene Smith knew about this (as Zach Smith claimed) that all but determines Urban is not to blame here.
Not sure how he could be held responsible for something if his bosses were the ones tasked to handle it.
this might be for the best.. 2 weeks will let the media spotlight die down
At this point, unless they find additional evidence of wrongdoing or coverup by Urban, he will be reinstated. I just don’t see any other alternative. I doubt their will even be a suspension. The media might be upset but they will move on to their next story within a day or two and forget about this one.
"You win with people." -Woody Hayes
Short Time Table is very good news for Urban and Buckeye fans.
I expected this to be a never ending witch hunt type investigation.
It really doesn't seem that short. The fact that there's a timeline at all doesn't make sense. Either they already know, in which case, tell us now. Or they don't know, in which case, how do they know it'll only take 14 days to figure it out?
Most likely they have most of not all information needed. They now need to sort and make up a decision
Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.
Press conference answer was bad, wget that.
If the situation was investigated, no charges, does Urban open himself and TOSU to defamation claims if he would have went into detail? Because the law said no chargers, do anything he would have said is pure speculation.
I’m not saying or implying ZS did or didn’t do anything.
Thousands of taxpayer dollars down the drain in fees for Big Law and “experts.” People who we pay to make decisions are MIA and don’t want to make a decision.
I believe Urban should stay, but his decision to keep Zach is a reason we are here. He had no problem suspending Carlos Hyde, which I believed was questionable, but he let a lot of smoke accumulate in this situation. Again, I don’t believe it’s a fireable offense for Urban, but he made a dumb decision keeping Zach around.
Zach and Courtney’s decisions are the big reasons for this mess. Due to the decisions of an immature couple worthy of a Jerry Springer Show appearance, Ohio taxpayers see thousands of dollars go down the drain. What a disgrace.
This had more to do with Urban's loyalty to Earle Bruce than Zach Smith.
Regardless, Gene Smith could have fired Zach as well. HR could have also fired him. So this wasn't Meyer's decision alone.
This timeline indicates they already know exactly where all the evidence is gonna lead them. Weird standard for professional and unbiased investigations.
Just my personal speculation, but IMO the committee is doing its due diligence.
I personally want Urban to be reinstated, given my previous posts on this situation. But the committee rightfully needs to make sure there are no more media-created skeletons that will surface in the future.
We were already under the NCAA and media microscope for any wrongdoing after Tatgate, as unfair as that is. We have to run a squeaky clean program, which Urban has done already. If there's any potential dirt the media can dig up, they will do so in a heartbeat.
As the saying goes, "Heavy is the head that wears the crown". We are the kings of the Big 10.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
This committee is full of politicians and lawyer's looking for another notch. I think the only purpose of the committee is to provide cover for firing Meyer without cause so they don't have to pay him. I will be very surprised if Meyer isn't fired. They fear the mob so they will give the mob what they want. They are cowards. Hence the reason for the committee. Look at the difference between how the NFL treated Elliot and how the justice system did. The problem is that instead of letting the justice system run things. The media or the mob is now the arbitrar of justice.
Fourteen days seems too long.
Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege.
Tyrion: A wedding.
"There is nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
Completed the "Double Skully" 18-August-2015
1. Private law firms are not subject to FOIA requests. They can present their findings & not be questioned.
2. The two-week window includes Zach's 8/22 court date for criminal trespass. If the circumstances are as Zach says, the charge gets tossed. The D.A. doesn't want a media spectacle where a jury finds him innocent.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
Fourteen days equals fourteen daily news cycles... this story is already losing it's legs on the national scene, in my opinion.. I fee sorry in a way for the committee... it is very difficult to measure intent.. When we aren't privy to all the inside dope, our minds are free to roam..when that happens, I believe we pick the scenario that pleases us personally... you love Urban and so he is the victim.. you love Brett M and so he is the best investigative journalist since Bob Woodward( if you believe this, for God's sake, get some help..!) You think Courtney Smith is the victim, then everyone else should have protected her... and so on...! The real problem with all of this is the content.. physical and mental abuse is no joke and probably happens more frequently then anyone suspects.. When I saw both of the Smith's talk about their relationship, I could only feel this tremendous sadness for the pain and suffering they caused each other and for how their misery impacted so many people around them .. I also couldn't help but feel outraged at all the media splashing this story out there for the sensationalism and click bait... major university, elite coach, top five football program, etc! Who knows how this will all play out... I personally hope Urban is back.. but if that is not the case.. the university will continue. Let's just support the team and coaches! P.S if you are not following Joey Lane's posts on the Spain trip, you should..:))
We didn't lose the game.. we just ran out of time. Vince Lombardi
To everyone saying two weeks is too long, damn, give the poor cats that have to type out the report that is acceptable to all the egos on the committee and have it edited 1000 times a break. Sounds to me like they know what needs to be done and are finalizing. Always better to overdeliver and putting together a report which will surely be scrutinized takes time.
Honestly not sure if this is good or bad. It may be good if the University just has to review many internal documents and request documents from other sources and so on. It could mean that things are going Meyer's way. However, firing for cause is a big area and even if he did everything right in doing what he was supposed to do, he could still be fired based on percieved wrong doings.
It may not be fair in many respects, but it would be a potential reality of the situation. As this whole thing has hurt the University, intended or not, and that is hard for them to tignore.
I'm beginning to change my tune and getting the feeling more and more like the Urban era is over, weather I like it or not.
I hope I am wrong and Urban retains his job and bounces back strong, but I've never seen this university and BOT support an embattled coach taking grenades along the PR trail. I am seriously worried that Urban's tweet Friday night was his declaration of war and his willingness to fight for his contract, but last night's publicly announced 14 day time table put out by Ohio State, is the cruise missile launched by the administration towards Urban's camp in response... if he refuses to settle in 14 days it will explode.
The administration, Michael Drake, the athletic dept., no one would re-tweet or publicly support Urban's letter Friday night.. I think that silence is alarming.
I am starting to believe that Urban and Gene Smith are both about to be let go by the university... Ryan Day coaches the season... and Matt Campbell is hired in December as the next head coach for 2019 season, the entire current staff moves on.
Question: With this timeline set up will it have an effect on what players are chosen as team captains? Doesn't Coach have the final say on who is elected?
Principles before personalities.
You don’t need two weeks. They need two minutes. Verify Urban reported the incidents in 2015 and if he did, MOVE ALONG. The Smith’s had a SEALED divorce settlement for good reasons that NEITHER wanted to come to light. Both of them obviously have their reasons for doing that, and most likely because both share the blame. The ESPN-led media mob, however, just wants another scalp. Nothing more. If they cared about victim advocacy they would be truthful about what bosses can and can’t do, and what victims of DV should do, and frankly what many couples do to get past incidents like this by getting help for the each other to heal themselves and their spouses.
Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.
All I have to say at this point is that if Urban is cleared, I think he is on a mission this year and we will see him back with a drive and passion that we haven’t seen out of him in a while.
Good luck to those in our way!
Two weeks is perfect: it avoids the committee coming back on Friday saying that they need more time, which would send us all into apoplectic shock, plays to a national audience that is dubious, and gets Meyer back on the sidelines around 8/17, provided there's nothing here to see on his end.
Still ridiculous how ANYBODY can find a fact about something or anything when no legal court of law has found anybody guilty of anything ! This whole situation is based on he said she said and that goes on many levels, what was Urbin supposed to report?
Gene , I think Zach is abusing his wife, at least that's what she told Shelly, how would that sound, or maybe Urbin is supposed to hire a detective to investigate so he can find facts .They will either find Urbin clear and re instate him or fire , I see no way they can fine or suspend him, that would leave a grey area, but really how is Gene Smith not suspended while this goes on.
Living in a small town, when police are called for a domestic problem, it always makes the paper in the daily happening section,
Just sounds like they were both a mess and should not have been together anyway,
Exactly as I predicted - two weeks will be plenty of time for the issue with Urban to be cleaned up and have him reinstated .... the university, may have to wait a little longer to determine if they played their cards right in dealing with the issue .... The media should be collectively ashamed of themselves for being so news-starved, that they had to drag Urban and his family through this ... like I also said, Urban has a long memory and I firmly believe that there will be a retribution coming .....
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
Kinda hoping we find out this upcoming Sunday. My birthday is August 12 and finding out Urban wont lose his job on that day would be the best birthday present ever! Go Buckeyes
the total investigation of how ohio state handled the abusive situation, especially since urb's wife was involved, might well take a couple weeks, BUT reinstating coach meyer should happen sooner. i trust his memo, i read the powell police report...now, it's time to get back to football.