Here's What We Know Concerning Urban Meyer's Situation Following His Statement, Zach Smith's Radio Appearance

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Knarcisi's picture

QUESTION: WHY DID OHIO STATE NOT ACT UPON IT IF THEY KNEW IN OCTOBER 2015?

This is what the investigation committee will attack. And this will shift quickly from Meyer, to Gene Smith and above. 

Let’s get our football coach back, now, and get back to business. 

Angry coach, angry team, Ohio vs the World !

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FormerBuck's picture

There was nothing for them to attack. Remember, at first the Powell PD said there was no report of Zach Smith being arrested cause no charges were filed. Only after they went back did they admit he was the one named in a disturbance but his name was redacted.  With no report and no charges, what could the school do??

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Knarcisi's picture

They will certainly ensure that proper protocol was followed, ask about the discussions with Zach and the police department, and how they put measures in place to monitor the situation. 

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tcm1968's picture

It's not about charges.... good dudes don't continue to put themselves in these types of situations... I don't think he should have been hired in 2012 but when he was there had to be some sort of zero tolerance policy. 2012 was his do-over...  and he mucked it up.. You don't have Shelley Meyer being afraid for Courtney and then it's ok to keep the dude on the staff. We had a Coach who says his home life was so chaotic he had to sleep in his office. That's not good for anyone, 18 year old kids don't need to be around that.. You pick the wife or the job.. can't have both and make both a mess..

Of course the unknown is what happened after Urban kicked it up the chain.. that will clear most of this up... if Gene said don't fire him that's one thing.. If Gene said there's nothing here but the balls in your court Coach Meyer to fire him that's a different conversation... 

Bottom line... he should have been let go long ago... dudes don't just suddenly become guys who send texts like " I'm going to beat your new boyfriend so bad he's unrecognizable" 

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beavis's picture

tcm - no charges filed. the police did NOT arrest smith.  what is meyer/school supposed to fire him for? 

bottom line - if someone isn't arrested, they aren't guilty of anything. you have a problem, it's with the police.

beavis

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tcm1968's picture

That's not how corporations work.... You're protecting a State University. A multi billion dollar brand.. even the whiff of wrongdoing can get you canned...

You really think if I punch my boss but he doesn't file charges I'm going to keep my job? 

You fire him because he's sleeping in his office, because he;s bringing his crap to the office, because he got a do-over and screwed it up.. and dozens of other reasons... 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

You really think if I punch my boss but he doesn't file charges I'm going to keep my job? 

To make your scenario comparable, Zach would have had to punch Urban.

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SuperClark13's picture

If you fire him for the reason's that you stated then you fire him without cause and you have a lawsuit on your hands. Now if you fire him for underachieving then you have a legitimate reason.

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beavis's picture

 tcm you said:  "You really think if I punch my boss but he doesn't file charges I'm going to keep my job?"

  in domestic violence, you don't need to press charges. once the police show up, it's up them if an arrest is made.

beavis

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bafiesta's picture

The Police and AD need to believe he will be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, OSU and Urban Meyer do not. Sheely being afraid of him should have been enough. I can get fired for plenty of things that won't get me arrested, so can Zach Smith. 

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beavis's picture

bafiesta, your post is odd. what exactly are you trying to say?

beavis

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martin anderson's picture

Just because someone isn't arrested doesn't mean they're not guilty. There's plenty of guilty people running around that haven't been arrested

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PhillyNut's picture

Ok, what is the deal with Powell? I see a Chipotle there has had over 700 cases of food poisoning reported on top of this story. Powell may become the Love Canal of Ohio. Everything is toxic.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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buckeyefan67's picture

Powell is fine--one of the most affluent suburbs of Columbus.  I'd bet Philly has many more problems than us. 

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Kalmar's picture

Powell's just like everywhere else, just most are richer. Me, not so much lol. The cops are like everywhere else too so there's that. Lotta season ticket holders up here, lot of pro athletes too.

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Turban Meyer's picture

Powell is great. The people of Powell? ...

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Gene could be in the most hot water here, but as mentioned above, do you terminate due to a domestic issue that was never filed (legally)? Hard to make that call for anyone involved. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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aj99's picture

No, that's not a hard call to make at all.  You don't terminate for a bad marriage. You terminate when said bad marriage is negatively impacting the employees job performance or when the bad marriage begins negatively impacting the product you're trying to produce.

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Knarcisi's picture

Correct. Or if that marriage were tarnishing the university and its reputation. According to his contract, he was to represent the university in a positive manner. One drunk fight in public could get him fired with cause. 

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BrutusB's picture

Police getting called to an assistant coach’s house is definitely negatively impacting the product. Saban fires Kiffin for being a headache, but we’re not allowed to fire anyone until they’re convicted of a crime?

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booj's picture

allowed? sure. obligated? no.

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

BBrutus, You seem to over dramatize everything you say. 

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aboynamedtracy's picture

If there was an award for virtue signaling, he'd win in a landslide.

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BuckiNYC's picture

Aboy - Logged in to UP VOTE you man. (For some reason the reply button is broke again amd not imbedding properly) Amen. Lotta those types around here right now... 

can we limit the comment section to those that were members pre- oh i dont know, 2014?? Boards def have a different slant these days...

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NH-IO's picture

Not if the consumers of the product don't know about it.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Saban didn’t fire Kiffin for being a dbag...he had accepted the FAU HC spot and left in between the semi final and NC.

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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SantaBarbaraBuck's picture

Amen. You’re exactly right. Blows my mind how easily people spread total bullshit lies...

"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
- Cardale Jones

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

LOL...it's so easy, even Brett McMurdock can do it. 

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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J Ry's picture

No one can answer that question because we don’t know the details. Let the investigation show whether there was good reason he wasn’t arrested or fired, then make your judgement. 

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beavis's picture

saban also allows players who carry unregistered guns and in possession of drugs to remain on the team with no suspensions......forgot that, brutus.

beavis

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tcm1968's picture

Could be... at this point we don't even know if Gene was involved. All Urban said was he passed on the information as he is supposed to do... that's most likely just a compliance officer of some sort..  they could have done a half days work and thought nothing to see and it never even hit Gene's desk..

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AnaheimBuck's picture

So you must be certain Gene Smith did not receive 2015 data from the police and then demand Smith return from his recruiting trip.  Or, are you selecting who you wish to believe is telling the truth?

TTi

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Doug James's picture

Meyer's players have more incentive to give their coach another National Championship + the fact that this is a very talented team = looking good for OSU.

DJ

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

Say my name, say my name 

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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Buckeye Jack's picture

QUESTION: WHY DID OHIO STATE NOT ACT UPON IT IF THEY KNEW IN OCTOBER 2015?

Should OSU launch an investigation after a "victim" refused to sign a complaint?   And after she refused to cooperate with the police?

Maybe OSU did begin an investigation, but with no signed complaint by the "victim" made to OSU or the Powell police, OSU would be on thin ice going forward.  I don't know many agencies that will expend much manpower when there is no signed complaint.  Nor should they, IMO.

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Bukirob's picture

Ok, let's see.  In 2015 Smith gets a call from the Powell PD saying they took a report of a potential domestic violence issue.  Smith calls Zack tells him to immediately return to Cbus.  Zack does Smith asks Zacks side of what happened. NO CHARGES ARE FILED.

So tell me Mr I know it all, what exactly should have happened because OSU did exactly what they should have done.  No charges are filed its he said, she said a thing.

You seem to want to operate on if accused your fired  Does that mean if I claim you're a pole smoker that it's then true because I made the accusation?

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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CowCat's picture

I've read the transcript of the press conference over and over.

The only thing that could be construed as a lie was this paragraph:

2015, I got a text late last night something happened in 2015. And there was nothing. Once again, there’s nothing — once again, I don’t know who creates a story like that.

So here's Meyer saying "nothing", but "once again". Keep in mind earlier in the conference he said:

As I do many times, most coaches and people in leadership positions, you receive a phone call, first thing you do is tell your boss, let the experts do their jobs.

We’re certainly not going to investigate. It came back to me that what was reported wasn’t actually what happened. 

So to me this isn't a lie at all. He's just saying that 2009 turned out to be inconclusive. So in 2015 similar reports were given, but similar results: Inconclusive evidence. That's why he says "once again" twice. The second "once again" refers to the accusations in the media that he was covering up for clear domestic one way abuse by Smith. It was inconclusive at the time, it's inconclusive now.

Urban sometimes stumbles over his words. The use of "nothing" was completely shorthand. The media just pounced on it.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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TSparky's picture

BTN is reporting like the 2015 incident is all facts as reported by Courtney ?????

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

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TigerSweat's picture

Every media outlet is doing that. They spin it as a foregone concluded that Smith is guilty of all allegations and Meyer covered for him. Once proof that Meyer reported what he had heard up the chain, the media spotlight will shine in that direction and the story will die down. The media only pretends to gives a shit when a superstar like urban is possibly involved.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Thurdsty's picture

Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale hath had its effect...
-Jonathan Swift

Behold the chunky whoop ass.

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CSnowRun25's picture

Logged in just to upvote. This quote spans generations

I’m a mini van driver in a mega fun world

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Noahkat's picture

that Swift quote blends well with “behold the chunky whoop ass”

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Noahkat's picture

You are right- the headline on ESPN right now is so misleading that anyone not paying attention will believe that UFM “failed” to report the domestic abuse. They’re doing that for clicks, pretty shameful.

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Yep, a totally cowardly, click bait-worthy headline. THAT is the main thing you get from his statement? Hard to not see that as some type of agenda, even though I dont usually think ESPN is out to "get" us.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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BuckiNYC's picture

Man - this reply button never works right...

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Every media outlet is doing that. 

Yeah. Someone stole their binkie this afternoon.  They'll have their panties in a screaming-triple-twist about something else by next Wednesday.

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buckeyeinWI's picture

ESPN Radio, Branden Gall in particular, was doing this on today's 'on campus'.  he piped in the ZS interview, didn't like what he heard, and basically accused Meyer, Smith, and OSU of a 'cover-up'...

@#$%!

GO BUCKEYES!

15-1 is SWEET!

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tcm1968's picture

has it been refuted? Far as I can tell Zach is saying it all happened but we are misunderstanding why it happened..

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Bukirob's picture

We have come to the place where FACTS dont matter when it comes to the media  being first or the most sensationalistic is what counts.  Truth, accuracy those dont matter anymore

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

The kettle is on the boil. We've got investigations surrounding TOSU Wrestling and Diving teams, and now this with Football. Something systemic and corrupt is happening, but what it is ain't exactly clear.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Knarcisi's picture

There’s a man with a gun over there, tellin’ Gene he’s got to beware ...

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

There’s a man with a gun pen over there, tellin’ Gene he’s got to beware ...

FIFY. You got it.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Knarcisi's picture

Pens are a blazin’ with all these hacks. 

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Guess I picked a bad day to have a Buck68 moment. :-/

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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BeatTTUN's picture

A plus GTH some people just can’t hear the music through the words 

I saw Ryan Day hang 62 on Michigan...His hair was perfect.

Go Buckeyes Beat Michigan

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nm_buck's picture

uv from up north coming your way brother

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

You better stop, children, what’s that sound?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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huber57's picture

I won't go that far. The wrestling incident happened almost 40 years ago. The university did all the right things with the diving coach (contacted police, fired his creepy ass, etc).

Why does Dublin have so many round-abouts? Because everyone in Dublin thinks they have the right-of-way.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

The wrestling incident happened almost 40 years ago

Dr. Strauss was on staff until 1998, only 20 years ago, and it wasn’t just wrestling. At least 100 athletes in 14 sports. 

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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aj99's picture

What the heck are you talking about man?  You're saying that something that happened decades ago and someone's bad marriage indicates systemic corruption.  I know you've been around here for a long time, but that's an asinine statement.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

What the heck are you talking about man?

I'm talkin' about Man. Get it, man?

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Also, Aj: I'll spare you my jaded cynicism if you'll do likewise with your overwrought indignation.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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aj99's picture

You got it.  Didn't mean to be indignant, but sure did come across that way.  Here's to a good weekend.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

My Brother.

Go Bucks.
 

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Turban Meyer's picture

In totality, Ohio State probably touches the lives of easily 200k+ people at any one moment. With an institution that large, it's inevitable that some bad things are going to happen. It doesn't mean the institution is rotten to the core. 

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TigerSweat's picture

I assume Meyer reported what he learned through Shelley to Gene Smith, who was already aware of the alleged incident.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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martin anderson's picture

Where's the proof that Shelley told Urban? I've been asking that same question all day and all I get is D/V's and responses like "not all spouses tell each other everything"

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bd2999's picture

Even in a court of law you would not need to prove that each and every link connects perfectly to every other. Just that a reasonable person finds the results compelling and meets a certain threshold. 

Not all spouses tell each other everything, but the idea that Shelly would not tell Urban something of this magnitude is questionable. Given that they intervened personally in 2009, Shelly apparently saw pictures and knew of how bad things were according to Courtney and so on. Whatever happened after that, it would be a stretch just based on what we know that Urban did not know at all from this report. 

That is why the one reporter put the statement from Meyer that he and his wife discuss everything and talk about all things. If we assume they are that close, than something that severe is more likely than not something that is ignored and not passed along. 

It may not be 100% confirmation but it is pretty sound based on what we know. 

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SilverState's picture

Not all spouses tell each other everything, but the idea that Shelly would not tell Urban something of this magnitude is questionable.

I guess you've never been in a situation where you've not told your loved one something to protect them. 

She had all of the reason in the world not to tell Urban. It's actually super logical.

"Year for what?"

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Turban Meyer's picture

Were the images embedded in the texts? I haven't seen them that way yet. 

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tcm1968's picture

it makes the whole thing a LOT better if Urban found out third hand from Shelley... that's just one persons word.. If Urban witnessed something that gave him pause that's a different animal... 

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huber57's picture

One question is about how much Title IX trumps the police. Should the University investigate even if the police say there was nothing to prosecute? Does the university have the right people and tools to do so? Title IX can be used as a cudgel to hammer people who the university or the NCAA want to hammer. We will see what happens.

Why does Dublin have so many round-abouts? Because everyone in Dublin thinks they have the right-of-way.

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Knarcisi's picture

I thought I read that title IX was not at play here since students were not affected. We sure throw this term around a lot, but very few really know what’s it means. 

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TSparky's picture

Good question. Does a student have to be involved for title iv to be in place? If not, the media shows more ignorance

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

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huber57's picture

Title IX is not constrained by Geography (eg on campus) and applies to university employees (of which Smith was one).

Why does Dublin have so many round-abouts? Because everyone in Dublin thinks they have the right-of-way.

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OSU_JD's picture

but it’s not applicable to Courtney, and I’m assuming if Gene knew, he told the Title IX office. 

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WVBuckeye's picture

Doesn’t apply here. When dealing with Title IX, the VICTIM has to be a student, teacher, staff member, etc. In this case, the victim is not any of those, and therefore Title IX does not apply.

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Lighteyes's picture

Yesterday, Cleveland.com summarized conversations with a few different actual lawyers about Title IX (rather than the rest of the media's and fans' pretend lawyering). The relevant quotes from other lawyers are halfway through the story (link below), but basically the tl;dr version is that a couple lawyers think Title IX does not apply, but a couple other lawyers think it does so it doesn't seem like it's clear-cut either way. 

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2018/08/confusion_over_title_ix_applic.htm...

So given that even actual lawyers in education and sports law can't agree on a simple answer, you shouldn't feel too comfortable with either media members who say firmly "oh yeah it applies", nor commenters who say "oh no, it definitely doesn't".

(The lesson, as always: Legal matters are absurdly complex)

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Homey1970's picture

Not a practicing lawyer but learned the law in law school and have been interpreting and applying federal law and federal regulations for years.

20 U.S.C. is a good read but the heart and soul of applicability is in the C.F.R.  More pointedly, 34 C.F.R. is only applicable to students and employees, not spouses of employees.

On the other hand, OSU may craft university policy and employment contract language that extends the crux of ‘Title 9’ to its students/employees vis-a-vis their spouses/children/dependents.

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bd2999's picture

We have a fair number of non-lawyers throwing it around. It is vague but even lawyers seem to be a bit split. The question would be Title IX and University policy involving Title IX. Either in Meyer's contract or more broadly. That can be more or less strict. So it potentially doesn't matter what the letter of the law itself is. 

It seemed from what little I looked into it that University views on it mattered a fair bit. 

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huber57's picture

I don't trust lawyers or cited laws. I mainly rely on random internet accounts for my legal advice.

Why does Dublin have so many round-abouts? Because everyone in Dublin thinks they have the right-of-way.

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ibuck's picture

No italics?

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tcm1968's picture

Could be title IX if it's deemed Smith shouldn't have been a Coach and posed a threat... That's what the legal folks seem to be debating. Not the Courtney stuff but if Zach was a bad guy, an abuser etc he shouldn't have been around 18 year old men and women.. The danger would be from Zach to the students which would fall under title iX.. 

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ladybuckeye's picture

At Baylor, there were football players accused of rape off campus and some of the victims were not Baylor students. It fell under Title IX, so I found this confusing. I'm sure we will get a definitive answer as this situation develops, because there has to be someone who can explain it.

ladybuckeye

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aj99's picture

Title ix does indeed trump police, but this is NOT title ix.

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ELJTSA76's picture

My reading of Title IX is that it does not apply in this situation, regardless of the information had and conveyed up the chain. 

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booj's picture

great point. i don't know what the university will conclude, but i will posit my opinion:

no parajudicial structure should trump the police. once the police were involved and notified, the university (any university) should have no obligation or right to independently investigate an employee's personal life.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Several experts have opined that Title IX is not at issue because the alleged abuse here was for the spouse of an employee and off campus.  I think what has confused some is the language in the contract that required reporting of these type of events to the Title IX coordinator,  My theory is that this is part of his or her job so he or she could determine if Title IX is in play.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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hetuck's picture

Was there a Title IX Coordinator for Athletics in place at the time? Or is that a post-Baylor creation?

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TSparky's picture

Am I wrong that 2015 incident produced no charges from the police at the time?

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

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Johnny_Buck71's picture

or any material evidence that would move beyond just one person’s claims against the other. I have that question too.

A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore. - Yogi Berra

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aj99's picture

I don't see that anyone at tOSU did anything wrong here.  Could they have fired Zach earlier?  Sure.  Should they have fired him?  Probably not.  Do you fire someone for having a toxic marriage?  No.  I think they did the right thing here.  When Smith's failure at marriage became an issue for the team, then they fired him.

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TSparky's picture

Dead on accurate in my opinion

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

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NoMad Buck's picture

Perhaps put him on paid administrative leave while they investigated the claims?

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aj99's picture

I hear you, but why?  If there's no charges, and the police are supporting your guy, then why would you put someone on leave for the ten minutes it takes to read the report and talk to the Police?  At this point, I don't see anything here that they should have done differently.  

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NoMad Buck's picture

I don't know -- I'm not knowledgeable enough about what needs to be done in this situation to really opine on it. I'm also speculating that there wasn't any discipline -- perhaps there was, I don't know. I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek with my response but seeing how badly many in the media want to hang this on Urban, I'm sure the who/what/where/when/why of the investigation will be a big talking point.

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Knarcisi's picture

The toxic marriage started spilling over to the university. Allegedly her showing up at the WHAC. Phone calls from the police about a domestic disturbance. Remember, what happens in a court of law has nothing to do with an at will employer. He can be fired for “conduct unbecoming”. 

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EZE's picture

I don't think it's a given that "Meyer... lied in some capacity". When I first heard the interview from Media Days I had the same impression Zach stated - that Meyer was saying he had no idea about Zach being arrested in 2015.

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LawClub's picture

Right. Every inaccurate, or false, statement is not a lie.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

It wasn’t even false or inaccurate...just not really complete.  

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

And that's why Urban said he should have been more accurate.

He can say, "in an attempt to respect the privacy of an individual we already terminated, and his family, I tried to dance around a pretty straightforward question. Clearly, my answer was more misleading than clever."

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2morrow's picture

"What he should have said was, "It's none of your GD business. Go pound sand."

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Yenots11's picture

**sigh** I really only wanted to be talking football for the next month. 

Go Bucks!! 

"Aut viam inveniam aut faciam!"

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

This does help pass the time however. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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Buckeye1503's picture

ESPN sure hates the buckeyes. I just got done watching the interview at 6. They still think this is Urban's fault. I believe in Urban and what he said on Twitter.

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TXNut2488's picture

That Finebaum interview was brutal

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XBrax1's picture

I hit FF as soon as I saw fine bams face

Stop abandoning the running backs.

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Homey1970's picture

Glad I haven’t turned on ESPiN in months and won’t except for college football games.  Feeling better abouth this whole situation based on what is coming out.

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WezBuck28's picture

Did you happen to watch the Finebaum segment..you wanna talk about laughable..what a dick bag that dude is..

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fear_the_nut70's picture

My question would be, why torture yourself?  I'll watch for a few seconds if I want to chuckle after seeing those satellite dishes on the side of his head, but then quickly flip it off.  S-E-C Toolbelt (the belt because a tool has considerable use).

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Knarcisi's picture

He’s a known Urban hater. The bias smells on him from 1000 miles away. 

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45has2's picture

Gerry Dinardo wasn't much better on BTN. Talk about too many hits to the head.

Censores irrumasti.

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Careful, typing negative about that acronym will draw a down vote or two.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Is ESPN still around? Thought they went under.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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RC's picture

Queue CincyOSU in 3-2-1...

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Log Jammin''s picture

Finebaum was angry. Found it interesting that he more or less said the PR from today was basically tacky and that both sides should quiet down but isn’t it ESPN that tracked down Zach Smith for the interview today. Can’t have it both ways Paul!

I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Paul Feinbaum on espn going off on Urban and Zach.  Basically calling Urban a liar and that he is no longer believable.   He is saying if this is what Ohio State wants to shovel then so be it. Calls it a PR stunt and that everything today was orchestrated.   

He also said that Urban did not help himself at all today.  Huh?   The hate for OSU runs deep and wide apparently.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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TXNut2488's picture

I think Finebaum is assuming Urban and OSU are working together in this, which I don't think they are. I think Urban's statement was him digging in his heels in case the university chooses to fire him.

Also weird to use the whole "Well if you lied once, you probably always lie" considering everyone in the world has lied once hah

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NHBuckeye's picture

Yeah agreed on the lied once you probably always lie being crap.   I’ve lied before.  I don’t consider myself a liar by nature though. 

Fields of Dreams

 

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D'zbucknutz's picture

Next to May, Finebaum is the biggest Ohio State hater on the planet, their opinions mean nothing here because of thier flagrant biases!  Two of the largest D-Bags in the network!  There’s my opinion... 

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes on Losing & Winning

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fear_the_nut70's picture

There are a lot of butthurt SEC folk that still can't get over Urban leaving and ending up in the B1G.  Ohio State no less.  Hard to deny that while coaching has taken a hit in that conference, the B1G coaching is at an all time high.  Plus, this plays well with his base.  I refuse to feed the trolls and won't watch him.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Bucks19's picture

SEC wanted Urban to leave. Why would they want him to stay????

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fear_the_nut70's picture

They don’t think that way.  It is SEC against the world.  North v. South. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Bucks19's picture

But you said they were butthurt he left. 

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buckslan's picture

It's really, really hard for Finebaum and the rest of the SEC to come to the conclusion that Urban Meyer going from the SEC to the Big Ten has slowly made the Big Ten the better conference. I think it eats at them greatly.

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ohst8buxCP's picture

That ZS interview did us absolutely no favors. Makes it look like Urban and Zach teamed up

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bleedscarletpissmaize's picture

Or they may have told the truth which may coincidentally coincide. Idk either way.

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OSU_JD's picture

I can’t agree with that. If they teamed up to tell the truth (as they see it), isn’t that what McMurphy and Courtney did? Articles, Stadium Interview, etc. 

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ohst8buxCP's picture

There's an extremely large difference between telling a victim's story and (in terms of how it looked) teaming up with a piece of shit domestic abuser to save his own ass. If he would have just put out the statement I think we would have been fine. The ZS interview turned everything into a dumpster fire that I don't think we can put out. Really really hope I'm wrong 

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OSU_JD's picture

See your problem here is you’ve already determined who the victims and aggressors are....based on her word alone. 

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bucksandsurfing's picture

In case you missed the relevant news today.  The real story......

Urban informed his superiors.  Which he was required to do.

Thus, Urban was not protecting ZS, if in case ZS was being physically abusive to his wife.  At this point, who really knows what was going on in that marriage.  

One more time in case you missed it again....Urban did the prudent thing.  What's required of him per his contract.  Was not protecting ZS.  

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Thundermoose87's picture

Proving collaboration here is impossible. Everything is just a supposition and no known will ever know if it was coincidental or not. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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bucksandsurfing's picture

The ZS interview is completely irrelevant.   What is relevant?  Urban reported the incident to his superiors.  AND the poway police reported to the University.  All Urbans superiors were in the know.   

ZERO wrong doing on the part of Urban Meyer.  

I would guess in a matter of 3-4 days we'll hear word Urbans reinstated.  

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Log Jammin''s picture

Will feel better when someone from the administration  comes out in support of Urban’s statement.....

I do mind, the Dude minds. This will not stand, ya know, this aggression will not stand, man.

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SWBuckeye's picture

Exactly. How anyone can not see that interview as  proof Urban did what was required of him is beyond me.

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southbay's picture

That's fine. Seems to me they both made verifiable assertions. The truth will be documented. 

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rkylet83's picture

Just so I am sure here...no charges were filed for any of the 2015 incidents?  

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paulleec's picture

ABC national news all over Urban. They even quoted from his statement, but not one word that Urban reported Zach Smith's behavior to his superiors. Then, stupidly they referenced Urban's contract obligation that could get him fired--NOT REPORTING TO HIS SUPERIORS! Maddening stuff.

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Homey1970's picture

Don’t care about the DVs.  All media on both ‘sides’ are in it for one and one thing only...ratings.  Ratings equals ad revenue.  Facts be damned.  Sensationalism brings ratings.

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armyvet83's picture

I will sum it up like this: I have complete disdain for the media. They never report a complete story and only cover their "slant". F@#@ parasites. They think they have a right to pry into other peoples lives with complete disregard for their families and are rarely ever held accountable for reporting lies themselves. Hypocrites! 

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Buck298's picture

I can’t upvote this enough! Say it brother!  

Send the Earth Reverberating

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2morrow's picture

but not one word that Urban reported Zach Smith's behavior to his superiors.

 

Perfect Paulleec, that is why they call it fake news. These pukes report what they want. A good journalist might have kept going until they discovered for themselves that the 2015 incident had in fact been reported. But no, they get what fits the narrative and stop.

Fair and unbiased reporting is mostly dead.

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buckcincy73d's picture

Yeah Finebum just sickens me. I can't stand to hear anything that mouth breather has to say. I mean you would think by espn that urban was the one who was the yet to be proven in court wife abuser. So maybe he wasn't 100% truthful. Apparently he is saying he reported whar he had to do. You gonna sit and say not a single news or sports news outlet hasn't lied or stretched the truth? I can't stand what i call glam journalism at all.

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Buckeye1503's picture

I was never a fan of the Paul guy he's a pos in my opinion. I only turned on that shitty station called Espn only to watch Zach's interview and once they started bad talking Urban Meyer I immediately turned that shit off.

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Classof97's picture

The remaining question is why neither Urban Meyer nor Gene Smith corrected the statement made at Big Ten media day. Even if Urban was confused at the time of his misstatement, he surely realized his mistake soon after he left the podium. Gene Smith knew Urban's statement was incorrect. Both share the blame for leaving Urban's "lie" uncorrected and allowing this to become a story.

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buckcincy73d's picture

Oh I'm done with espn unless the Buckeyes are on in some form. I have other outlets for Buckeye news and sports.

Shawn durham

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sarcastrophe71's picture

Amen,and that website will never get another click from me,I hope they just keep sinking!!

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Sanantonefan's picture

Think I'll wait for the investigation to be over before I make any judgments. I'm just sad not to have any practice reports.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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buckcincy73d's picture

Classof97 thats a question I'd like answered as well. Oversight? Maybe but i just dont understand how it was.

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FROMTHE18's picture

Still think this article is following the same false narrative that MSM is doing: Urban committed a major error and deserves to be punished. There is no proof of that only that his statements at B1G media days may have been accidentally misleading. Using the word "lied" implies intent. You can believe that if you want, but you do not know for certain what exactly he was even referencing. Smith saying Urban told him he'd fire him if he found out he hit her shows that Meyer had no clue that he did any type of physical harm to Courtney. This is the first amount of actual dialogue that demonstrates Meyer's involvement. Courtney's texts simply imply it and McMurphy even says he has no actual proof Meyer knew anything. Meyer is innocent until proven otherwise and the only semi-reliable evidence we have of his involvement shows he did everything right except tell the media what they wanted to hear, and to be honest, the media sucks these days. 

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e135800's picture

Did she give those pictures to any police department?  

 

 

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TSparky's picture

Wow.... had not thought about that. Why is there no police report with these photos? Feeling better and better about UFM

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

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ladybuckeye's picture

I wondered the same thing. I think many people are grossly underestimating how many receipts this woman kept. I'm afraid we've only seen the tip of the iceberg. Who knows what else she saved - even video.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Meyer DID NOT “lie” about anything. Period. I’m rather dismayed as to why 11W even let that drivel make it into this piece. In 2015, the infamous date in question, Courtney Smith called the police on a 73 year old Man that lives around the corner from her because she thought he was “following her.” She’s obviously a nut job. We’ve all known them. Because she’s female doesn’t make her infallible. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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BrutusB's picture

He said there was “nothing” relating to 2015. At best he should have been more clear, at worst he lied. 

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TSparky's picture

Exactly.... nothing=no charges
To the msm nothing = i knew nothing because it fits their narrative

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

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wyatt's picture

Semantics:  "I didn't hit her." He could have twisted her arms, slashed, squeezed, choked, etc. but didn't hit her would be true.

"Nothing there" means whatever someone wants it to.  OJ never shot his ex. Cut her head off but never shot. 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

But there is “nothing.” Not to be flip, but as I said, and I read all the police reports, the only thing I see is Courtney blaming Zach for everything and the Powell Police obviously disagreeing in that they’ve never charged Zach with anything whatsoever. “I’m speeding because I had a fight with my ex.” Yeah, let me try that. Lol

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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BrutusB's picture

He wasn’t arrested, but the police still came out and there was a documented incident. I wouldn’t call that “nothing”, but as I said maybe Meyer just should have been more clear with his answer. 

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

The 2015 incident was—as I’ve explained—Courtney called the cops to say “a black suv was following her. The driver was a 73 year old neighbor. She filed for the protective order shortly after. NOTHING. Cops were NOT called to the residence. Zach wasn’t arrested. No charges filed. NOTHING. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Darnell's picture

http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180803/powell-police-refuse-to-release-report-involving-zach-smith

There was "something" in 2015, at least according to this Dispatch article.  It contains a few of the details, but the Powell police are refusing to release the entire report at this point.

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Classof97's picture

I read the transcript from Big Ten media day. It reads like Urban didn't know anything about a 2015 incident. Maybe he was confused. But he should have corrected himself or clarified his comments immediately instead of waiting until two days after this story blew up.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

In 2015, the infamous date in question, Courtney Smith called the police on a 73 year old Man that lives around the corner from her because she thought he was “following her

I am a huge Meyer supporter, but there was an incident in CS's home on 10/26/15.  No arrest.  No admissions of wrongdoing.

Courtney refused to sign a formal complaint on it about 2 weeks later.  Because CS would not file a complaint, ZS was redacted from the reports on the basis of Powell policy on privacy.  Later, in the divorce, all such references were sealed.

When Meyer's people contacted the Powell police during media days,  they were told the computer search turned up nothing.

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Rocket Man's picture

This enquiring mind wants to know

 Success - it's what you do with what you've got.  - Woody Hayes

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jbuck85's picture

Bottom line is with Urban's statement, and Zach's interview, if OSU wishes to retain Meyer they can. If they don't care about the football program, which they don't, then they can still let him go. I think they will keep him on, but they fired Woody, so who knows?

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Yeah, but when you punch an opposing player on national tv, kinda hard to be retained. Lol

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Yeah no kidding.  Punched the kid in the throat no less.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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D'zbucknutz's picture

Right on the Clemson “off button” 

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes on Losing & Winning

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

That was because he didn’t report it.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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bd2999's picture

I disagree with this. The University values the football program a ton. Some things just transcend football. I think we forget that sometimes. 

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tampatom's picture

Woody punched a player on TV, Tressel lied to NCAA, Meyer may have lied at a press conference and there are no NCAA or Title IX issues. The first two issues were much more impactful on OSU than anything Urban has done...if Courtney had a smart lawyer, she should have enrolled in a couple classes and then she would have a real chance at a law suit against the University

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NHBuckeye's picture

Fields of Dreams

 

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Birm making the ONLY salient legal point here. He reported what he knows (according to him and Zach Smith). Case closed.

The reason Tressel was fired was for LYING to NCAA INVESTIGATORS. 

Lying/misleading/inaccurate statements to McButtMunch are only a PR problem. And guess what, the news cycle will change. Yes, some people will continue to try to dog Urban and OSU. But it didn't work after Tress and it hasn't worked on Urban since he left Florida.  There are just some haters out there. Let them hate. Just do what's right. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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Buckeye Jack's picture

He said it was nothing. That is what he was led to believe. Powell police files search turned up no report on it.  

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

That’s how I take it as well...his answer was just incomplete, not false or lying.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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NHBuckeye's picture

Agreed.  He needs to clarify that it’s what he meant.  The haters will still hear what they want though.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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ibuck's picture

his answer was just incomplete,

Yes, because he did not want to talk about it ..."We're done here." 

He was there to talk about football.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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manbearpig1988's picture

All of buckeye nation needs to boycott ESPN. I’m done with them.

Silver Bullets

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keith7456's picture

Before tonight to watch the Zach Smith interview I had not watched ESPN besides and actual sporting event in probably 5 years. It's been really nice.

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Dirty419Boy's picture

And BTN has been even worse.

We have no friends. Fuck them all. They are all jealous hating trash.

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Bucks19's picture

It’s not just ESPN. It’s ALL sports TV and radio stations. 

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MtWashBuckeye's picture

As for comments about Finebaum and SEC country - if they're still not over the Civil War they certainly won't be able to get over Urban Meyer leaving Florida any time soon. No need to pay attention to that chorus.

MtWashBuckeye

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jbuck85's picture

Urban may have "lied" but no one can prove it. All of us can believe what we want, only Meyer knows what he was thinking, what and how he was replying. That is the beauty of his official statement, when he says he had no intent to mislead, no one can prove otherwise. That occurred in his head, only he knows. I will decide to believe him, he did what he should have done in 2015, keep him as the head coach. Give him his job back immediately and let the media cry as he goes back to work recruiting top talent and leading the football team to a national championship that the administration at OSU could care less about. All they want is the money.

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dw1371's picture

Love of institution over football. Statistically 8 of 10 claims of abuse are truthful. Most abusers claim "self-defense", its text book. Today's events made things worse. Zach Smith has no business being a character witness for Urban Meyer. Please take a step back and view this through the lens objectively and not through "scarlet" colored glasses. Too much is at stake for the reputation of the University we love dearly. Go Bucks

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ohst8buxCP's picture

Watching Zach defend Urban made me want to puke. In the publics mind, it puts Urban and the Abuser on the same side.

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Knarcisi's picture

I guess someone had to defend him. Nobody else would. 

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bucksandsurfing's picture

Dw1371 -  Love of doing the right thing should prevail.  Not love of institution or football.  The only thing Ohio State fans should really care about, was Urban covering up and enabling an abuser?  

The answer to that question is HELL NO!!

Talking about Zach as a character witness for Urban is completely missing the point.  It's about, did Urban do the prudent thing in 2015?  The answer is, yes he did.  (If what Urban is claiming is true)   

Reinstate the man.  

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OSU_JD's picture

Want to cite your source on that abuse statistic?

also, a 80% means there’s a 1/5 chance this one isn’t true.

i find it very, very odd that there is nothing from 2009 to the fall of 2015. He’s a chronic abuser who did nothing reportable for almost seven years?

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Maka's picture

If Urban and Zach really haven't talked since his firing and Urban hears the rumor "I'm gonna burn this whole U down"...He HAD to release a statement before Zachs interview went public. For all he knew Zach has been on a bender and throw out all types of lies. So while the timing of both looked bad, I'm sure there's a reason. Teaming up may or may not be one of them.

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ladybuckeye's picture

I believe Courtney. I believe Urban. I don't believe Zach.

ladybuckeye

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Wyxx's picture

I don't completely believe any of them.  

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jbuck85's picture

Keith-total agreement. ESPN went off of my watch list years ago. SEC is what they are all about, they are in bed with them. They attack Ohio State at every opportunity, as well as law enforcement. 

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SoCarBuck's picture

My two cents... the Smiths have a shitty marriage. She may or may not be crazy, he may or may not be a shitheel. That is for a court to decide, if there are ever actual charges filed. Until then, we can only say for sure that they had a shitty marriage.

Urban can be loyal to a fault. In this case his loyalty to Earle (Earl?) Bruce probably helped get him into this mess. But none of the talking heads will mention that. Like most here are saying, it's all about ratings and saying whatever it takes to make sure your name as a "reporter" is getting recognition. Now, here come my downvotes: all animosity towards UF aside, the political climate and the Me Too movement are driving this. Every on-air personality wants to make sure they come down on the right side of it. It doesn't matter what the facts are, it only matters that they portray themselves as being sensitive to the current political climate. I just hope that the powers that be at tOSU can see past this, and whatever decision is made is based on facts.

Just take a breath...

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bucksandsurfing's picture

Knowing what we now know, if Ohio State fires Urban.  He'll file a wrongful termination suit and absolutely 100% win.  The University will owe Urban $40m, plus legal fees, administrative fees, etc.   

When I heard Urban reported to his superiors AND the Poway police notified OSU, no way in hell Urban is getting fired.   

OSU needs to bring this to a quick resolution right now.  Reinstate Urban, everyone move on.  The longer this drags out, not good for anyone involved.  Let's put this to bed.      

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CooperRuinedMyChildhood's picture

I logged in just to UV this. This is probably the most realistic, clear-headed take I've seen yet.

In Urban We Trust.

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Oatley's picture

Can't wait to see the signs on The Game Day broadcast...

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jbuck85's picture

No downvotes from me SoCarBuck, agree about the political climate. But will disagree about what is driving the story, that in my opinion is money and ratings. If only one person clicked on a link, one household tuned into ESPN, it wouldn't be a story anymore. Money and ratings drive the media beast. It they are not getting the ratings, they drop the story, because it is no longer a story, and move on to the next dumpster fire they can exploit for their own gain. 

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bucksandsurfing's picture

This is turning into a dog and pony show.  Reinstate Urban Meyer, and let the man do his job.  He did nothing wrong.  

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TSparky's picture

Is Jim accousta and brett mcmurphy dating?

"Because I couldn't go for 3"

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southbay's picture

No, but they are both dancing at the same ball.

No one in the field of journalism is interested in "reporting news" these days, that is for chumps. The name of the game is to influence or even control the narrative, that is how you get clicks or viewers. 

All other priorities are rescinded.

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Poco Loco's picture

I am a very slow learner. It just occurred to me re. Title IX, If wives are covered, why not sisters, mothers, daughters, aunts, and female cousins?

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Tresselball4life's picture

I have been in some bad relationships where I texted something nasty during a break up.  Thank god this is happening to Zach Smith and not me.  I am learning from his life damaging mistakes.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

No pics. No video. Don’t write anything down. Deny. Deny. Deny-advice regularly given on Bob and Tom

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jbuck85's picture

No offense, I love Ohio State athletics, not the university. I am a sports fan of Ohio State. When it is unfairly attacked, I will defend the football program. I don't care what people think about an institution of higher learning that has people in authority that think they are holier than thou, taking the moral high ground, etc. The administration was wrong not to have Meyer's back from the get go and they should have had advisors in place that worked with him on a prepared statement for the media day with instructions that no questions would be taken. 

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nickel beer's picture

Well, it's my alma mater and a lot of my family's, both sides, and I don't share the first half of your position.  It is about the school--all about the school.  However, I do agree with much of the last half of what you said.  The school's legal counsel and public relations should've been involved--but long ago.  It's not like this Smith family thing was last night's train wreck.  Someone like McMurph was able to shoot fish in a barrel.

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jbuck85's picture

Patsy Mink Equal Opportunity in Education Act in 2002 (Title IX) is not in play here. People are reaching for straws. 

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jbuck85's picture

Statistics on domestic violence, very interesting on how they would be compiled, and who would gather them. Who would be questioned as to their validity, alleged victims? Alleged suspects? Who would pay for compiling them = a victim advocacy group. To state that 8 out of 10 allegations are true is ignorant. What is the conviction rate in the courts for domestic violence? Many law enforcement agencies have made it a requirement to arrest a primary aggressor in an alleged incident. Sometimes a primary aggressor can't be determined. The standard for an arrest = probable cause. The standard for conviction is beyond a reasonable doubt. Two people involved in an altercation, usually with no other witnesses. I can't tell you how many are true and how many are false, it is a case by case basis. No one can, not even those who quote statistics. 

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bd2999's picture

I would be careful on this. It basically starts to point that most victims are lying. It depends on what we are talking about. 

We do know for a fact that domestic violence is horribly underreported. And this results in many tragedies. Abuse or somebody dying. A person in such a relationship is more likely to die than other people according to statistics. 

Statistics can be misleading but I think you do things a misservice if you ignore one side as bias and accept the other side by default. It seems better to believe the victim than otherwise. Who that may be may vary but it is often harder to prove something in court than one would think. 

If somebody is battered and is the one showing bruises all of the time than they should feel empowered to go get help. And the police should help them. I think accusing them of lying is too far. What the actual number is, is unknown. But with anything, most things are probably underrepresented in reality. 

Because it is two people in an altercation alone, it makes it harder to find total proof in some cases. That does not mean that nothing happened either. It will also make it harder to get help or protection. Seems to me that people should be comfortable coming forward. In this case in particular, the issue is not that she came forward at all. Nor that it was reported on. 

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elitesmithie's picture

I don't think you have to say the victim is lying. Its that in America you are innocent until proven guilty so the default status of someone accused would be innocent. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Doesn't matter what OSU says or does...the media wants blood. They don't get it they will go after OSU anyway

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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OSU_JD's picture

McMurphy is obviously holding back. That’s the big concern here. He’s going to drib and drab acontextual “evidence” until he gets his scalp. 

However, given the modern news cycle, I don’t think the Media at large will remain on this for long. 

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bd2999's picture

I am not sure I would call holding back with the initial accusations. He has said he has more but if it is all about this case than most of it will probably be how horrible ZS is. Which is probably accurate. It seems his main point was that he knew and did nothing. If that is wrong than his points fall a bit flat. 

Even given additional information it would become a matter of what was known, what could have been known and so on and so forth. Which can still cause a major problem, but not totally for Meyer. If he reported what he knew than not sure what more he could have done at the time. I wish he fired him at this point after the first issue but it seems to not be clear. 

And his strongest point is mostly undercut. 

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oldbuck60's picture

Even the the face of SECPN college football...Rece Davis... said "lying to the media is not a fireable offense"!!!

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Alabama grad Rece Davis sure as hell didn't sound like he's a big fan of Urban Meyer. 

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Alabama grad Rece Davis sure as hell didn't sound like he's a big fan of Urban Meyer. 

Really don't want any opponent to be a fan of our coach.

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b01000100's picture

QUESTION: IF MEYER KNEW, WHY DID HE SAY HE DIDN'T AT BIG TEN MEDIA DAYS?

To me, it seems as though Urban would have said something like this as a way to brush off the question out of "respect" (for lack of a better word) for the Smiths.  Rather than dishing on their personal business, he said what he said.  I don't think it was the wisest choice of words or reactions, but that is how I interpreted it.  He could have easily said a few words to dismiss it without further thought, but he didn't.  

I don't know that it would have changed anything, though.  This seems like a situation that would have happened regardless of what he said in that response.   

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TorBuck's picture

This article asserts, in a couple of places, that Urban Meyer lied. I'm not sure that assertion is warranted.

Urban may have misspoke, which he has acknowledged and taken responsibility for, but that does not mean he deliberately misled his superiors or the media.

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Yoda888's picture

this guy seems to have one of the more reasonable take on the issue at the moment:
http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/24278244

Yoda888

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ibuck's picture

Nope, not going to ESPN's site. Sorry.

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1xbuck's picture

It has been reported that Zach came home drunk one evening with another woman. There was a fight because she didn't want Zach sleeping in her bedroom. After that Courtney take the other woman home. Am I the only one who finds that strange as hell? Maybe it's just me and maybe the other woman misunderstood Zach when he told her he and his wife were "Slingers".

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BABuckeye's picture

another 11W thread said that woman was Zach’s Co-worker, and his boss’s assistant, Amy Nicol, who was so important to Urban that he brought her from UF to tOSU. Zach claimed she broke up with her live-in boyfriend and needed a couch to crash on. And where Courtney said he was calling her Baby, he was calling her Amy. Still not what I would consider a normal thing, but not close to the portrayal of Zach bringing home a new girlfriend to have a threesome with his wife. If so, Amy can testify to the investigative committee to get to the truth. Like everything we hear and read, there tends to be more info that comes out later that changes the story a bit, removing some of the hyperbole. 

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Dasniksder's picture

I still don’t get it. McMurphy could post a text from Zach saying Sorry I beat the shit out of you, but it still doesn’t make it Urban’s fault or prove that Urban knew the extent of the abuse. Unless they have something that shows that Urban knew how bad it was, then it’s irrelevant to the Meyer situation.

I just read some b.s. story on ESPN about how the world has changed but Urban hasn’t. The author still blames Meyer for the current locker room culture at Florida. I was shocked when I clicked on the author’s profile and discovered she graduated from Florida in 2010. What a freaking joke. 

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Dillon G's picture

The transcript of Big Ten Media Days looks accurate, even after he said he wasn't truthful with the media regarding reporting.

2015, I got a text late last night something happened in 2015. And there was nothing. Once again, there’s nothing — once again, I don’t know who creates a story like that.

 We don't get more until after. My question is "You say there was nothing. Is that in regards to the police saying the allegation is unfounded or something else?" Because to me that is what he said, with hindsight.

I’m not going to get into that, Doug. It’s a very personal matter. The decision was made. I think the details that I’m obligated to give, I gave.

You’re talking about people’s lives, et cetera. So the decision was made. It’s time to move forward. And we are in a public world. I try not to operate, especially when you’re talking about personnel and people, making things because it became public.

But to say that doesn’t have something to do with it, it does a little bit.

I have no problem, at all, with anything said. Nothing.

The follow up I posted is inaccurate. They kept pushing and he didn't want to talk about it. 

#walkaway

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blackblockO's picture

Once the Powell police notified Gene in 2015 saying nothing really happened.. this became a dead issue. I said before Zach should have never been brought on to coach here.

The smoke now should be around Gene since he has been involve with 2 big fat black eyes with our school.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Yep...Gene Smith is a weasel that will sell off anyone around him to save his own ass. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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ZBucksVA's picture

Not a frequent contributor but ESPeeN is really trying to sink TOSU and Urban, and they p@#$ me off. Convinced their SEC backers would like nothing more than to see our 2014 NC vacated since we dominated their darling Bama. That tool Finebaum leading the charge. Go Buckeye Nation!!

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

OSU and Meyer are the only team that can rival the SEC in popularity, competition for championships and winning titles. Eliminate Meyer and OSU steps back allowing the playoffs to be 4 southern schools each season. ESPN has a huge interest in the SEC and ACC....been shutout of the Big Ten. 

They, as well as other media outlets will go harder after OSU than other schools. Just like with Tressel. How to you apply pressure to the school? Create a narrative and push it at every turn. They will not stop until OSU fires Meyer. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Shayla39's picture

It's not only ABC/ESPN. CBS also has a vested interest in the SEC and NBC has ND.

Those 3 corporations all have reasons to bring down TOSU to build up their interests.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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keith7456's picture

At least someone out in the media world seems to be looking at this in a unbiased agenda free way.

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@osu.fbu's picture

We still don't know all the facts. I don't believe Gene called Zach back from a recruiting trip for nothing. He knew it was a big deal. He's not putting his butt on the line for an assistant WR coach.

There's more evidence favoring OSU that we havnt seen. We've seen most of McMurphy's arsenal by now. OSU is saving theirs for the release of the report that reinstates Meyer for PR.

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MurphMcBuckeye's picture

As a LEO I can say that theres one side of the story, the other, and the truth. Zach Smith is a POS don't get me wrong. But there is still plenty more to come out of this. Both Courtney and Smith's stories are on opposite ends of the spectrum and thats the way it usually is. But the truth I think lies somewhere in the middle. And If Urban did tell the right people and the police were already investigating it in 2015 then he did what he had to do. Sick of this day in age where Urban's head is being called for before all the facts even come out. If Urban is lying about taking the right steps in 2015 then ya, see ya later. But I don't believe thats the case and believe when the dust settles on this the story will lie somewhere in the middle. #FREEURBAN

Murphy Serafino

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NYWoodyFan's picture

I am sure that Earle Bruce’s failing health may have had something to do with Smith being given chances. Meyer may have felt that firing Smith would have broken the old man’s heart. 

However, I am confidant that if UM knew of verified domestic violence, he would have acted regardless of his mentor.

Zack’s womanizing sounds like the cause of the domestic conflict. He still gets the benefit of reasonable doubt until more facts emerge. 

Matt

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Sanitarian2's picture

Someone needs to look into the police department officials here, while much of it is considered public information you are not permitted to spread the information around short of a public information request.

Sani

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

"If Meyer is telling the truth in his Twitter statement and he did in fact report the allegations against Zach Smith to the higher-ups, who exactly were those higher-ups, especially if Gene Smith already knew? "

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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Maka's picture

Thank God for Johnny Football. He took it on the chin tonight just to take all the current focus off Urban and tOSU. I use to think he was a selfish prick. He proved me wrong.

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elitesmithie's picture

I would like to point out that the holier than thou media is giving domestic abuser Johnny Football all kinds of coverage for a CFL game tonight.....

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BuckeyeLion's picture

I think Urban's statement during B1G Media Days was an issue of semantics. He used the word "incident" to reference what I believe to be an arrest in October 2015. Since there was none, this is was Urban was referencing. I could be wrong, but it appears both Urban and Zach have positioned it in this context. If so then Urban technically didn't lie. Certain media and fans may think this is a copout excuse, but in reality their opinions are irrelevant in regards to the decision to retain Urban's employment and in regards to Title IX lawsuits.

In the poll era (since 1936), OSU is by far the class of the B1G:
National Titles: OSU 8, UM 3
B1G Titles: OSU 34, UM 27
Head-to-head: OSU 43, UM 36
Major Bowls (New Year's Six): OSU 20-14, UM 10-16

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keith7456's picture

Given all the facts that we have been given I see nothing the Urban did to warrant being fired. I also see nothing wrong with how Ohio State has approached anything so far in the last few days. 

Saying that I am still not overly confident that Ohio State will allow Urban to stay the coach. They will pull the PR move and let him go saying it is what is best for the university because Urban made them look bad in the media recently. If this is the case I hope Urban gets his whole contract paid and sues the University for wrongful termination.

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JCam061588's picture

Letting him go became extremely unlikely the moment it’s became pretty clear he did his due diligence. If they fire him they are looking wrongful termination suit they will lose so in the end they end up paying upwards of 50 million to fire the 2nd best coach in CFB.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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keith7456's picture

I truly hope you are right, but I won't believe it till it's official.

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AnaheimBuck's picture

All I want to say is "welcome back Coach Meyer and Bye-Bye Gene Smith.  This is how OSU shares responsibili ty.

AnaheimBuck

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thedewman10's picture

Why is it that someone cannot ‘allegedly ‘ win the lottery? Or ‘allegedly’ win a car? Or ‘allegedly’ have a million dollars in the bank?

Because of the above requires proof. So why doesn’t everything else require proof for any other ‘alleged’ happening?

TheDewMan10

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NorthernOhioBuckeye's picture

This all boils down to ESPN and the MSM all butt hurt because when they asked Urban about the 2015 incident in Chicago, he didn't open up completely and throw Zach Smith under the bus. In my opinion, he was doing his best to not trash ZS's reputation any more than he had too with allegations that were never proven or even charged in the 2015 incident. The media was looking to run someone through the ringer and Meyer didn't provide it, so they went after him. 

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45has2's picture

Waaaay back in the 70's when I took a Mass Communications class they taught us that the media companies were making up news not simply reporting it. When the big three told their news divisions that they now had to generate a profit just like the entertainment divisions the news became entertainment as well. Bottom line: In 2015 the legal system, we are a nation of laws, decided that there was no legal wrong doing by Mr. Smith. So, why is the media churning up so much crap about 2015? Clicks, views, posts, ratings and most of all....MONEY. Follow the money.

Censores irrumasti.

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