Zach Smith on his termination: "I don't think that I deserved it, but I don't think that it was wrong."
I fail to understand what he means by this.
Don Brown must've attended night school, because he got owned by Day.
He was saying that it wouldn't have been fair to the athletes and the program as a whole to keep him around with the media frenzy. So he understood why he had to go, not that he necessarily deserved it.
Thanks for the explanation. That's a lot easier to understand now.
Basically he understands why OSU did it but it wasn’t their fault.
"Because I couldn't go for three"
I believe he means:
(A) I didn't do anything that warrants termination (consistent with his denial of any domestic violence), but...
(B) I'm not claiming the university wrongfully terminated my employment (that is, I understand that the university has a bigger picture when employing a public person like me, and I'm not about to make a stink about my termination).
Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Basically an Alford Plea....not admitting guilt, but saying they have enough to find him guilty. With that said, I'm not an attorney, and really don't know what I'm talking about.
I believe he thinks the trespassing charge was a non-issue and not something he deserved to be fired over but understands that given OSU's position, they had reason to fire him over it. Probably also thinks that if everything could have gotten cleared up, they would not have fired him.
Edit: I see that this has been answered to death haha.
McMurphy totally twisted Zach’s words. What a hack liar.
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Well it certainly doesn’t sound like Ohio state nor Meyer were trying to cover this up.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
I think mcbuttfuck and ESPN should have to publish an apology to the Meyers and OSU.
Urban Meyer 4 Jim Harbaugh 0
McMurphy is fighting this tooth and nail online. Makes sense, considering this is the biggest "story" he has had in awhile. To me, he used to seem like a credible person but this is seemingly a curious hit job because Urban was mean to him.
Number 1 rule in life: always beat That Team Up North.
The moment McMurphy told Scott Van Pelt on ESPN that he had no direct evidence against Urban, the whole credibility of this mess is in question.
"Just remember one thing. I can do your job, but you can't do mine." - Woody Hayes to an OSU professor
This right here... and he kind of knew it. He couldn't put a sentence together after that.
Buckeye til I die
except Urban has since admitted he knew... there is that.
The biggest variables in this have been what the police investigation said and what Urban did with this information. McMurphy admitted to having no idea but still said Urban needs to be fired and claimed the absolute worst happened. That along with "keeping information to drop bombs" has shown this is all BS
this is the actual issue with McMurphy's claims in my view, too..., but his lack of direct evidence regarding whether or not Urban knew is moot now that Urban has admitted to knowing.
Hey Spartan, where did you find the "drop bombs" quote? Would love to read that article/see the video. Perfect piece of evidence that McMurphy is leveraging theatrics to make up for his lack of credible reporting.
"If you're going through Hell, keep going." Sir Winston
When Mcbutt tweets, he uses the word "I" so much. Seems like he's a true ass.
What about all the other sports outlets? Are you demanding apologies form them too?
Also, wasn’t it ESPN that aired the Smith interview that appeared to exonerate Meyer?
Just so they could bring on Finebaum to laugh at it.
“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13
Dude, why do you have such a hard-on for defending ESPN?
All Cincy is fighting for is for us to give every network a fair shake. ESPN hatred often manifests itself in confirmation bias—which leads us to ignore any positive viewpoints from the network and focus only on the negatives, while we afford significant more leeway to other networks like FS1 and BTN.
All these networks are peddling the same thing: a narrative. And for that narrative to stick you need multiple viewpoints. Everyone does this—from ESPN to FS1, NBC Sports to CBS.
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Who are the 2 ass fucks that keep down voting every comment against ESPN or osu and Meyers innocents?
"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa
I am one of TigerSweat's downvotes and I stand by it.
Putting this on ESPN is downright silly. McMurphy doesn't work for them, and they were among the slowest to adopt the story. You want to take on "the media" fine, knock yourself out. you want to even take on andrea adelson's terrible #taek, so be it. but ESPN has been the ones giving Smith himself a megaphone. You may not like them, but their handling of the story has been more reasonable and muted than most.
Just for some light reading for you. http://deadspin.com/how-espn-ended-up-paying-brett-mcmurphy-to-post-the-yea-1828089258
It’s not a light read. Lol
Whay I gathered though is that he is self serving and could care less about anyone else. He didn’t say as much but he is out to get someone and prove to ESPN that they were wrong for letting him go. He is taking his shot and I hope it blows up in his face.
Do I have to put something down here?
I don’t disagree at all but ESPN is definitely a player in this game and has created a culture in sports media that incetivizes scoops even if the information isn’t fully vetted.
The goal isn’t really to find the truth but more so to tell a tantalizing story.
The whole truth will be uncovered by the investigation and if anything that’s the positive here.
also, fwiw, i'm not one of those downvoting you.
I agree, McMurphy said Urban knew and that's a lie. Uh, no wait, the statement that Urban knew was true. It was last week's statement from Urban that was a lie, err, he was confused because he's never done media interviews before and wasn't expecting the question.
So which part is McMurphy apologizing for?
Reckless reporting, holding back things that should have been in his original report to play gotcha games, and now his Twitter shows a clear bias and interest in getting Urban fired.
McMurphy made himself part of the story. He was here three days and talked to one person. He took evidence from one person.
He’s not a responsible journalist.
If Urban keeps his job...McMurphy loses. He is all I'm on this to try to remain...errr become relevant.
We haven't heard the last of it yet.... it is a long way from over. Can't we just play some football?!??!?!
I feel the same way, but we'll have to wait another month for the premier.
Hopefully with Urban in the leading role.
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
Absolutely not. This is the most overblown sports story since...Tatgate.
Gene Smith found out first from the Powell PD. They told Zach he had to come home immediately so the police could investigate. They found nothing to charge him with so the matter was ended. Zach denied everything even with Urban in his face and the police found nothing. Urban should be back with the team TOMORROW.
Kinda understand how caught in the middle urban and shelly were now. both sides of the story so different.
Yup it’s a whole different smoke when just two new statements come out.
Oh and Zach stop f’n texting Jesus you’re dumb. !
The fact that Urban is in the crosshairs of a toxic relationship is crazy. The focus of this whole issue should be on the broken relationship between Zach and Courtney and the fact they couldn't resolve their issues for the sake of their kids. I've been in the middle of difficult relationships with many friends and family and coworkers and it is absurd to say that I am responsible for the outcome of their relationship.
The fact that Urban is in the crosshairs of a toxic relationship is crazy.
Jbirmmd, All Urban had to say at Media Days was "no comment". That's it. Shut it down. He's in the crosshairs because he lied. Poorly, I might add. That doesn't bother me, personally, and I do NOT want to see Urban disciplined for any reason. Dismissal would be ridiculous, as would a suspension, IMO. But he did fuck up at Media Days and it was completely avoidable. He did that himself.
He absolutely fumbled on that statement, but have you ever been in a situation like this where you are trying to be sensitive to a potentially explosive situation and knowing that even a little bit of information will set off a firestorm ? I truly believe he was referring to the fact that Zach wasn't "arrested " on that occasion and that no charges were filed. He obviously knew the relationship was a mess and I'm sure he didn't want to get dragged down that hole.
He could absolutely have said "no comment" and I wish he had.
Disagree...watch Urb’s video...had me (almost) believing the unbelievable...world class fibbing
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
he's correct Harbaugh - go back to the Chelsea walmart
Exactly this. Such an avoidable mess. It would even be fair to say “We’re continuing to look into it. Once we’ve done that, I’ll address the media”.
No doubt. He screwed up the interview. My understanding was he was asked about an arrest. Either way, he should have been avoidant in his answer there and not adamant.
Actually, my take is he did not F' up. He just gave the reporter rope to hang himself with. A good reporter more than likely, given the information now available, would have continued investigating, no matter where it lead. Fake news at it's finest. Find facts to fit the narrative and then work the audience into a frenzy - and the msm wonders why no one trusts them. Most are POS.
You’re on the wrong side of the facts here, and the “fake news” makes you look unintelligent. Urban’s statement said as much. “I apologize for the way I handled those questions”. His denial was fuel to the fire once it was logical to assume he knew of the 2015 allegations. Simple.
It is "the facts" that are in question. It was a report done on incomplete news, based on UFM's statement with no follow-up as far as I know. That is "Fake News" to me. Denying it makes you look gullible.
I agree with most of your take, except the part about him giving the (alleged) reporter enough rope to hang himself. Zero doubt in my mind at all that, just like electing to send the opening kick off to Saquan Barkley, Urban wishes he had a do-over here. Look at this shit storm. Urban is presumably at his palace home, instead of conducting practices. That was not a set up on Urban's part. It was, in fact, a fuck up. I'm down with the rest of what you said, tho. +1
This sounds like it's gonna get messy between Zach and Courtney. I've gotta say I'm ready to move on as soon as we find out whether or not Urban is going to be reinstated or not. Not very keen on dissecting the personal details of a contentious marriage.
attempting to be an adult
+1000 I went through an amicable and civil divorce, and it was still awful. This is just such an ugly situation all around. Hope everyone involved gets the help they need.
Going to?!?! It’s been messy for damn near a decade. I feel bad for the kids.
Someone once told me "if you hang out near the hotdog vendors, you will end up buying a hotdog". In other words, be careful what kind of women you spend time with.
Yeah, good point.
He will get his day in court. He’s denying it, but accepting being fired? What gives?
Fortune favors the bold.
That the coverage hurts his ability to recruit and is a distraction for the players.
Well he's going to need a job... even if it's not in football he's not coming back to OSU. Would make no sense to just bash your employer... Own it... move on.. and the next person who he sits in front of for an interview might give him a shot... he bashes OSU and points fingers he's not even getting interviews...
Good point. I’m surprised he’s speaking about it so quickly. I’m glad he’s being a man about it. And I hope he’s cleared and gets help.
^ This. If his statement is even somewhat true, I think he can emerge from this mess. Go get some counseling and/or addiction treatment, and say so. Urban Meyer will give you a good reference. Guy could be back in the profession within a year.
Book OSU on the next Jerry
When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer
Guys, I've been with a crazy, abusive woman before and there were times that I had no choice but to restrain her for both of our safety. She would then immediately claim friends and claim that I beat her. I loved her is the only reason I dealt with it for so long. The police even knew the situation with her but if I were a coach at OSU, I would have likely been fired based on her psycho accusations alone... Not saying that this is the case with Courtney but I'm here to tell you that there are women out there who do crazy shit.
" Oh yeah. I forgot to mention that she was smoking hot from head to toe. Well educated and well spoken. Just by lol at her you would never believe the shit she did behind closed doors.
I could share a similar story. There’s some crazies out there.
My Blood runs Scarlett and Grey
I used to be a divorce attorney and I have been in a volatile relationship. I completely understand your viewpoint here.
The Crazy/Hot scale is real.
LOL, Brunstar. Here's the humorous video of the Hot / Crazy Line for those that don't know about it or for others that want a good laugh.
Awesome to see this again. Plus you gotta love the circa 1960s Woody / OSU prof vibe on this guy. He's not taking any crap (or even any questions) from anybody in the lecture hall. He's just laying down his view of the world, and you better be able to spit it back at him on the next test.
Thank you for this. I'd never seen this before. Definitely some truth to the Crazy/Hot Matrix!
Same here. I was shocked how helpless I felt. Her family apologized to me over and over but they said they had to stand behind her even though she was lying because they were afraid the ex would get custody. She took all the towels and my clothes out of the bathroom while I was showering and entered with her 9 y/o daughter right behind her. I put my hand on her shoulder to get passed her because I was exposed to her daughter but that brush by got me the weekend in jail. Even though she had a condition that made her blood vessels swell from time to time making her crazy it didn't matter. It was erased later because of it but I wasn't going to risk another episode so I divorced her and she continued to call me over and over and months after the divorced she showed up ay my work out of her mind and claim I did all kinds of things. I had to leave there because it wasn't fair to them. So I know this shit can happen.
Crazy doesn't have a gender... it comes in all forms, shapes, and sizes. And, there's no excuse for it.
You're right, BNC, but in general, women are driven hormonally to uncontrollable emotion more than men. They can't use hormones as a get out of jail free card when they're PMS'ing, being unreasonable, or making irrational decisions, but then say they're aren't emotionally out of control at times due to their physiology. And anyone who thinks women don't play the, "he hit a girl" card when it's to their benefit is naive. Many women feel they have the right to hit/slap/kick/punch/bite/throw objects at a man, and if the guy at which she's directing her craziness grabs her, or moves her, or throws her out of the way she screams abuse! In reality, the man is simply not allowing himself to be physically attacked. Crazy is not gender specific, you're absolutely right, just like being a physical and or emotional abuser isn't gender specific. Here's a good rule of thumb... unless you're defending yourself or someone else, never put your hands on another person in anger. Never... and that goes every bit as much for women as it does for men. None of this, by the way, is meant to imply anything regarding Zach Smith's guilt or innocence. Rather, it's just a general observation.
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Yep, happened to a customer of mine. His crazy wife ambushed him, cut his head slightly with her ring, and he grabbed her wrists and shoved her away. She called the cops, even though he tried to convince her not to, and the cops hauled her crazy butt to jail. He had signs of physical contact, she did not, and here in Florida when the cops respond to a domestic complaint somebody gets hooked and booked. Also have another friend going through a divorce and his step son, that's right her son, moved out because he was tired of seeing his mother hit his step father. The woman is not always the victim.
Censors wallow in the feces of the accomplished.
Yes, Me Too, Tiger Sweat.
My ex-spouse accused me of beating her (she had a camera ready, but no photo proof), said I was trying to kill her (police secretly took the rifles), charged me with having sex with my teen daughters (child protective services removed and interviewed them and they denied the charges). These allegations are so serious that the authorities have to take action, and then they are later used by the divorce attorneys.
But our personal experiences do not impact the facts, known and unknown, about this specific case of Zach and Courtney. But perhaps these tales let the uninitiated know that there are many falsehoods told in troubled marriages, and the attorneys amplify the lies. And you can bet your bottom dollar the lawyers are stirring up trouble-- they get paid by the hour-- $300 per hour.
Man oh man, I am so sorry to hear about all these crazy relationships. So blessed that my marriage of nearly 20 years is the polar opposite of your stories. Just lucky cause crazy is hard to pick up early in the relationship.
Sometimes the signs are there but are not heeded because we are not directed by the front of our brain (the rational part).
Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !
Me too. Sigh...
I had a coworker who had the same experiences... went on for 5 years.
It takes two to tango. Sometimes it isn't the man.
"The future is bright at Ohio State." - Urban Meyer 1/1/15
I had a friend who was dating a beautiful and even-tempered woman we both knew. But when she had a drink or someone said something to her she got crazy. He turned to me and said, "I'm dating Satin". He quickly got out of the relationship.
I don't know what to think....maybe Zach "restrained" his wife a bit too hard on a couple of occasions, which is certainly not okay unless he was defending himself. Could be his wife is insane. I believe him when he says it was a toxic marriage that needed to end. But when it gets to the point the police are being called multiple times and he gets arrested, it's obvious that he's not completely innocent. OSU as an organization (not just the football staff) should've done more to investigate this in 2015.
Don’t take this scumbag’s account with much weight; however, if the reporting/phone calls are true, Gene Smith, not Urban, may have some splain’in to do.
How much weight do we give his ex wife then? Were you there? There are women out there who live for this type of shit.
What explaining would gene smith need to do if police said there was nothing to it?
Innocent until proven guilty.
Seems from the comments that he is taking the high road, which is probably smart.
The lingering question I have is -- what happened after it was reported?
Well, the police investigated and presumably asked Courtney if she wanted to press charges, and she said no. As for OSU's part (which is what I think you're asking about), it seems they were made aware but decided not to act or discipline Zach because he had not formally been charged.
The police wouldn’t have cared if she wanted to press charges. By law the State would have to pick up those charges if it were true.
He goes to trial 8/22 for the criminal trespass charge. He says he called the police dispatch to ensure he could go to her residence. I'm sure there will be a record of that. After hearing his side, I'll be surprised if it goes to trial.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
I believe the Criminal Trespass will be bounced IF what the attorney is saying is true, which is that there is a Divorce Decree (stated in the Shared Parenting Plan) signed by a judge permitting child drop-off at her residence. That's a Court Order that trumps the Detective's Criminal Trespass warning.
Vague, I suppose. You already know who to call. But don't fill out that online thing - doesn't work. Ask for Rebecca. She'll walk you through. Pretty simple.
Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season
Here is the thing. It was reported. Gene Smith took action. Police made no charges. Therefore nothing happens. Honestly to me it looks like Ohio State did everything the right way. It is falling back to the POLICE!
Should you be fired because someone says you did something, but the police who investigate it say you did not do the thing?
That's what I was thinking too.
The whole worlds a circus, don't you be the clown.
It’s falling back to lack of evidence unless you are implying that the police didn’t do their job correctly.
What I am saying is that Ohio State did everything they were suppose to. IF there is any wrongdoing it is by the police not by ohio state.
Gotcha now +1
No problem. Thanks. We are finding out here just how easy one little statement can be taken in a way you didn't mean for it to taken.
Pretty much what I expected. Hopefully it's the truth as well.
"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War
Not sure I believe the guy, but I do not need to. His views on the matter do not matter, only if the University acted appropriatly based on what they knew at the time.
Exactly. We can’t judge what we don’t know for fact. That said, he admits cheating and lies and admits being a bad husband. She obviously agrees. So they are both agreed on that point. He’s definitely not a valiant man
And , damn he needs to stop texting with her His latest is being taken to be an admission of grabbing her by the throat. Dumb trumps bad every time
Man deserves his day in court I think. I hope he can come back IF he is cleared.
Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month
Man deserves his day in court I think.
I hope he can come back IF he is cleared.
Hell no. I don't want him representing the university in any capacity.
EDIT - if this doesn't mean back at OSU then I hope he gets his life together and finds gainful employment to help support his children.
I don't think he meant come back to Ohio State. Just back to having a life.
I mean back to OSU, why not? If he is cleared.. he is a great recruiter and developed all the OSU receivers you've loved since 2012
Parris, Curtis, EGW, Devin Smith, Brown, Thomas... etc.. heck of a track record. I don't get the development knock on him so buy.
Does the text not acknowledge that he picked his wife up by the neck on two occasions? WTF? Zach Smith's account of never being physical falls apart right there.
Not necessarily, Sometimes you just don't want to escalate a situation.
I hope if he is cleared he can one day get another coaching job.
But I don't want him back here. Aside from a damaged reputation, I think he is a terrible WR coach (good recruiter, but the stud talent he has helped bring in is underperforming). This conversation is less important than the events of the day though.
You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.
Why would you want him back?
Smith has zero credibility
Why? he took the high road in lots of ways... mentioned he was a bad husband, mentioned she was a great mother...
Smith just got lit up on Twitter by McMurphy. These guys are pathological liars. The high road? That's the last road he took.
you're being deliberately uncharitable.
if McMurphy was trying to get to the truth, he would have posted that tweet in the first place and let Zach Smith explain it. He held it back and waited until AFTER Zach Smith was off the air.
that's a cheap shot.
that's just the way the media is now. i'm not trying to excuse it. but it's the same stunt he pulled with meyer. these guys need to have more savvy with answering these questions. it's deplorable "gotcha" journalism but are we expecting something else these days?
And we know that McMurphy is honest and credible, how? If Smith is telling the truth and McMurphy is a hack, then wouldn’t we expect McMurphy to respond to Smith’s interview by lighting him up on Twitter?
do you seriously trust zach smith? i don't know how that's possible. at best the guy is guilty of being incredibly stupid. that's giving him every benefit of the doubt possible.
Maybe you didn’t mean to, but you just did an illogical bait & switch. First, you said Smith was a pathological liar that has zero credibility, so we should assume that Smith is lying on this one point, while implying that McMurphy was trustworthy. I asked, why are we assume that McMurphy is more trustworthy than Smith, especially as regards that one point? In other words, both could be untrustworthy for all we know and the truth of the point is still in doubt.
You respond by asking how can I trust Smith? Look, brother, trust comes when someone consistently tells the truth and consistently delivers on their promises. Someone could lie only 10 percent of the time, but makes them untrustworthy. Still, that also means they’re telling the truth the other 90 percent. I don’t trust either McMurphy or Smith. For one thing, I don’t know them very well. For another, Smith cheats on his wife, while McMurphy is a tabloid hack with a vendetta.
This shit has exploded. I've never had to refresh my laptop, my sirius/xm, the local radio, and twitter at the same damn time.
...all the while trying to post on 11w #pandemonium
Make preparations in advance. You never have trouble if you are prepared for it.
No coverup...no bribes to keep quiet...no charges...nothing but two very different sides to a story. This is a ridiculous amount of attention to a situation that I"m beginning to think more and more was just an awful marriage.
The University needs to resolve the Urban situation quickly and move on. I hope there isn't more to the story because I want Meyer on the sidelines against Oregon State. However, Meyer's twitter actually makes me more uncomfortable... You don't post stuff in situations like this without first consulting your attorney, which means he has his attorney involved.
I agree they need to get it over with. I'm sure they're moving as fast as they can. I don't know that if his lawyer is involved it's a bad sign. If it's an independent investigation I would get my attorney involved no matter what.
Maybe I've watched to many movies where the guy who gets caught says... "I think I need to speak to my attorney." LOL
I think I’ve seen those too lol. If his lawyer is involved though it’s not an admission of guilt.
Given the stakes, I would be surprised even more if Urban didn't have attorney. The fact he does doesn't make him guilty of anything.
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
You don't post stuff in situations like this without first consulting your attorney, which means he has his attorney involved.
One would think his attorney is involved, and perhaps a PR person or two. OSU may have even OK'd the text. The total tonnage of what we don't know.
I wish now that I had made more popcorn because this movie is a lot longer than I had anticipated
LOL Thanks for the comic relief, Martin A.
I feel it's like a TV soap opera.
Stay tuned in tomorrow for the next episode of... Buckeyeland.
Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)
It’s never too late for more popcorn, Martin. Never.
Braving the long dark of the offseason
And with this "continuing saga" we're going to need a lot of Orville Reddenbacher.
As a fan(atic) of tOSU football team, my week has been something like this
and has left me feeling a little like this
"Defiance in Silence"
I’m not sure I got a whole lot out of that interview. Either he’s telling the truth, or he’s saying what a domestic abuser would say when trying to save their skin. No ones ever going to come out and be like “yes I hit her, but she deserved it.”
The most important part is we officially have two sides of the story. Courtney through McMurphy had completely monopolized the coverage.
Zachs not going to have any credibility in this and im fine with it. I just want him and his ex to go away.
"Sherman ran an option play right through the south" - Woody trolling the SEC.
So if Zach goes on trial in September and they find no clear evidence that he ever assaulted her, you wouldn't forgive him? Zach has finally had a chance to say his side of the story. Don't let the previous weeks information that came from Courtney rule your opinion on Zach, simply because her information came out first.
Zach Smith told @1057TheZone he never abused Courtney. Here is text message b/w Zach & Courtney when he admits & apologizes for strangling his wife on Punta Cana trip in March 2015 & again in April pic.twitter.com/GjcjWh6mFT
— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) August 3, 2018
Here's him admitting he assaulted her. Hop off the horse.
I didn't see that, it was just posted 10 minutes ago. You can't fault me for not checking his twitter.
this is not inconsistent with the "restraining" talking point. he sounds like he's groveling to get her back and is admitting to all wrongdoing to reconcile.
if you haven't been there, you don't know. for all you know, she emotionally abuses him and he's codependent. this happens ALL THE TIME
this is not inconsistent with the "restraining" talking point.
A football coach doesn't know how to physically restrain someone without lifting them off the ground by the throat? Doesn't seem legit.
I’m glad Meyer is likely in the clear but as for Zach Smith’s denials ... strangulation is VERY SERIOUS and is not just a way to restrain someone. Calling it restraint is a justification a lot of abusers use.
yep, you're right.
it also could be the truth.
moreover, does he not sound like some of your clients who will willingly admit to all wrongs in order to reconcile? let's not discount the strong possibility the abuse was a two-way street. what if they were physically fighting?
If those texts are legit, he conceded to her accusation that he strangled her. Strangulation is a big red flag for a possible lethal assault in the future, BTW. And it can cause injuries that an ER may not even catch, including vein damage and blood clotting that is a time bomb for a later stroke.
I want Meyer back as HC, period. Believing ZS abused his wife is not incompatible with that.
I am not a Zach fan in any way, shape or form.....but I read it as him saying "I KNOW" to all of the lying......Am I the only one who saw it this way?
She stated a multitude of things....how do we know what he was acknowledging?
Right. there's no way to give it context without looking like we're "defending" him, but I only ask for basic fairness.
McMurphy's holding this back is vile. he waited until Smith was mid-interview. if McMurphy wanted the truth, he would have included everything he has in the original report. he won't do that because he's a hitman.
Come on. If someone accused you of strangulation you would just reply “I know” and not address that specifically?
Holy shit, thank you! Any posts from here on out suggesting that Zach did not abuse his wife are the work of imbeciles or fellow abusers. How can you read this any other way?
ZS grabbed her around the neck to stop her from head butting him...self defense
Yep, that's awesome.
Lol. There's no such admission there McFurphy. Saying "I know" is not an admission. Man this guy is stupid.
This is by no means an admission of guilt. This is a few lines of text taken out of context. How do we know he wasn't being sarcastic. The social media age is not necessarily better at conveying truth.
Like I was saying to my wife .... I could take her phone tonight, and write that message between us while she is taking a shower. If I was to delete the exchange on our phones ... she would never know. I just don’t see how these screenshots hold much weight. Just my opinion though.
Especially when these messages have no dates attached to them so who knows when they were actually taken.
You have been the biggest supporter of Zach since people started criticizing him for the lack of WR production and now you want him to go away even if he's proven not guilty. What a hypocrite
Even if Smith is completely innocent, I haven’t loved him as a position coach for a while. It is the one unit that in my opinion has underperformed, overall, during Meyer’s tenure. I get that Zach Smith is a great recruiter, but Ohio State mostly sells itself.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
lol fuck off Zach
Correct if all true. However F*** off mcmurphy too for sitting on the info.
In his defense he probably didn't expect Smith to bold-face lie about this.
Why wouldn't he? If Zach is the scum that hits his wife why wouldn't he lie about it?
he held this back on purpose. his interview on 97.1 definitely sounded like a threat.
He doesn't want this story to get a resolution. He wants it to stay in the news for as long possible. He doesn't even begin to care about helping anyone.
mcmurphy even admitted that he felt slighted by Urban's comments in the presser. His motivations are obvious.
This doesn’t even come close to proving that Smith lied. It’s one snippet of text. For all we know, Smith read the first line about cheating on her, ignored the rest, and sent the “I know!!!” without thinking about it.
Or, maybe he was placating her. I’ve been in volatile relationships where I went along with my ex’s crazy claims/recollections because I was trying to patch things over.
Lets not jump to conclusions like this hack McMurphy. If Smith was physically abusive and he and his wife made a habit of arguing via text messaging, why is this the only example?
this sounds like codependent groveling. he will say anything to get her back.
DV is ugly. Period.
I obviously don’t know whether abuse occurred or not, but nowhere in that text does he explicitly acknowledge abuse. Clearly you can infer it, but he could have been responding to any of the lying and cheating accusations, or simply just saying “I know” because he is seemingly apologetic and trying to save the relationship in those texts. And please don’t take it as a defense of Zach, because that’s the furthest thing I’m trying to convey.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
it sucks we have to walk on eggshells just to provide reasonable explanations to these things.
if you're codependent, you will admit to every wrong just to reconcile.
moreover, were they simply physically fighting? do we know? a physical fight is unfortunate but it's not what we classically call abuse
Just want to point out that texts like this can very easily be faked with little to no technical prowess. There are programs available to do it. I'm not saying that is the case, it is just something to considering when the only evidence is a text. In the responses for this post someone did it to prove a point.
Text messages? Where is a video? Where is an audio recording? What is being specifically said in those text messages? What is the context? Where is the conversation before and after? If accurate were they provided to the police and did Courtney pursue charges? Smith hit it out of the park on Sportscenter.
So she was supposed to videotape the abuse? C'mon man.
ESPN still saying Urban straight up lied which I don't think I agree with anymore now that I have full context. The question was whether urban knew Zach Smith was charged with a felonious DV(which he wasn't) in 2015 and Urban said he didn't know about it(BECAUSE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN)
ESPN is saying that yes but they dont think he should be fired anymore for lying to the media. slap urban with a 1-2 game suspension and move on with this shit.
I'm gonna say that I'm still 50/50 on if he will be back. He hasn't done anything to get fired, but Ohio State PR will probably just do it to "look good"
Firing him would be really difficult as of right now. He followed protocol, even according to Smith he was very adamant, & his bosses knew. You would have to throw the whole Athletic Department out.
^^^this. If Urban goes, then Gene Smith must. Even more so.
IMO, it wasn't their job to determine if abuse happened. That is up to police. It isn't their job to make sure all their employees have marital bliss.
They very well could decide to "clean house" as something people are suggesting they do.
If they do that it may take this program a long time to recover from it. Cleaning out the entire administration from top to bottom over a marriage gone bad? That's more than a little extreme. If they go that route I don't see any top tier coaches wanting to come here until the stigma from this blows over. If Urban is telling the truth that he reported the 2015 incident there is no basis to fire him IMO (nor should they).
Ahhhhhh.... the off-season
"Vision without execution is just hallucination."
By the was Urban should be home free after that, it is now exactly what it should have been all along, about Zach and Courtney, period end of story.
Yup, but fucking ESPN is still to this very moment asking if Urban should still be fired for knowing something in 2015.. I hate that damn channel. If anything, GENE SMITH knew before Urban, so why is Urban's name still being mentioned for disciplinary action? FUCK OFF ESPN!
Bring on the Beavers!!! (the Oregon State variety)
Regarding ESPN, that is exactly why I turned it off immediately at the conclusion of the interview. ESPN wants Meyer fired, nothing personal, it means bigger news story. More ratings and more clicks. More money, they have been in decline for years, watch what their ratings were for that interview, it will be enormous. They want this, they need this. They want Meyer fired, then they can cover all of the drama and as a bonus, cover the new head coach. It is the media and what they have become, sensationalism is everything, and can be tracked meticulously.
I don't recall them calling for Izzo or Dantonio's head
Izzo didn't give them much to work with. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I also don't remember Izzo or Dantonio saying straight up that a reporter made up a story about them or giving a reporter a reason to go after them like McMurphy went after Urban. It would be much bigger news if Urban had done what McMurphy said he did rather than if Dantonio did. OSU is just the bigger brand. Hit jobs are asinine, to say the least. I can't wait for this all to be over.
2 journalists think urban should be suspended, not fired for lying to the media which im fine with. as long as hes still coaching.
it's worth a grain of salt that the people being lied to don't like being lied to. I don't much care what they want.
i've seen several parsings of meyer's phrasing at B1G media days that seem plausibly honest to me (although unacceptably unprepared and inarticulate).
If they want him fired, why air an interview on their flagship show that essentially clears his name? If they wanted him fired, why not bury the interview?
that text looks ugly.
disappointing that it was released afterwards so smith didn't respond. i hope he either gives it the context it demands or shuts the hell up about how innocent he is.
disappointing doesn't begin to describe it. it's an assassination. if McMurphy wanted to report the whole story, he would have posted that originally. he's laying traps and waiting until his prey is no longer able to defend himself.
yes, the text looks ugly. it's also unfair for him to have not posted it in the first place. he held it back on purpose.
I've made my point that his groveling looks like codependency. I've also said they could have simply been in an ugly physical fight.
McMurphy is a hitman. he's completely unprofessional.
McMurphy is nuts. This is straight up hitman-style reporting. This in no way helps him get Urban fired...he's just attacking people now. If Urban reported the allegations to the proper people, then that's all Urban can do...If no one found anything, what else is Urban supposed to do?
can't disagree more. smith flat out said he was innocent. he's not "just attacking people" now. he's attacking the subject of the story for what appears to be admitted domestic assault and then lying about it publicly. this story doesn't have to be about urban to be relevant.
Agree to disagree. This is only a story because it's Urban Meyer
This is only a
story because it's Urban Meyer
That's fair, I'll give you that. It's not on national news or ESPN if not for Urban.
a journalist's job is to catch people in lies and drive the story forward by forcing their hands to tell the truth. you don't do that by showing all your cards up-front. this is pretty standard. mcmurphy waited for smith to deny something he already had evidence he had already admitted to. this is important to damaging the credibility of his denials. this is a) standard, and b) good journalism.
you might be right that the groveling is codependency. there are a lot of reasons (aka, she's in mid-rant and he didn't want to spend the energy fighting again and again about the specifics of stuff she keeps throwing in his face and he keeps denying). the limited scope of the screenshot is certainly eye-raising, but it's on smith to provide full context here. nothing mcmurphy has reported so far has been inaccurate or misleading. it's simply been incomplete and one-sided. that doesn't make it wrong, it just makes it one more piece of a bigger story.
Also, consider that text screenshots of the type released by McMurphy are incredibly easy to fake and require no technical skill. Just look in the comment thread for that tweet if you want examples.
I'm not saying this is definitely the case btw, just something I wanted to point out because I'm suspicious of the way the image looked.
yes, they absolutely need to be verified. smith is a good candidate to do that digging. I believe mcmurphy has largely played this investigation straight, and on the balance, i would be shocked if these were fakes--that would be the equivalent of going all-in on a huge and easily called bluff with your career on the line.
I don't think McMurphy would put out a fake knowingly, but I do think it is possible that Courtney could have supplied him with a fake text. Even if we assume it to be real, the context needs to be cleared up, because the way it is presented is fishy.
I totally agree that if anything is off with how this text is being presented then Zack/his legal team should go after it.
How did McMurphy get their texts anyway? I must have missed that part.
When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.
Intentionally incomplete and one-sided = misleading.
lazy reporting = lazy reporting.
this is important to damaging the credibility of his denials. this is a) standard, and b) good journalism.
"good journalism" would have probably discovered that the 2015 incident had been reported.
nothing mcmurphy has reported so far has been inaccurate or misleading. it's simply been incomplete and one-sided
Incomplete and one-sided is the very definition of fake news.
Would like to see Smith or Meyer beat the crap out of Mc little guy.
Please tell me someone watched Jeremy Schaap give his useless thoughts and wanted to throw up as well once he was done. I felt like he was yelling at me the whole time on top of it. Stop talking in all caps Jeremy!
Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.
I used to like Jeremy Schaap. Now, I say "fuck to you"
When this story first broke I was almost certain Urban would be fired. Last night I was 50-50. Now after hearing more info, zach’s interview and Urban’s statement, I will be surprised if Urban is let go. I think he will be reinstated early next week. As far as a suspension, I am not sure osu will go even that far. I just don’t see any wrongdoing by Urban aside from a terrible big ten media day press conference.
"You win with people." -Woody Hayes
As a side note, has anyone been following the string of tweets by Mcmurhpy? He seems to be getting more angry and defensive by the minute. I think he is starting to realize that Urban will likely keep his job and he is not happy. He wants him gone so he can get hired again. Now we are starting to understand why he may have been let go in the first place.
Sad to say that the Big ten Network has been just as critical of Meyer and even negative after his statement. They even said if Gene Smith knew, Urban should have still fired Smith on the spot because of the pictures regardless of if charges were ever filed. They also said they did not believe he was unprepared to discuss. Dinardo now is the standard for ethics
It might be getting to the point where Mcfurty's intent could be called into question and he could start making himself liable for a defamation suit. He's posting private conversations out of context without both parties permission in what is becoming a clear attempt to defame someone.
Exactly, that text (if true) does nothing against Urban if Urban reported the allegations like his statement says. All that text is is an attack to ruin lives.
Smith said that he heard about the DV report from Gene Smith, but all ESPN kept repeating was that Zach admitted he told Urban. It's so shocking that ESPN was forced to let so many people go.
Truth and Facts don't matter to ESPN. That is not breaking news.
I don’t like snippets of text conversations. You can delete specific texts to change context & spending on when you respond things could look misleading. Not that I’m defending Smith, just saying I don’t like those snippets.
It those texts are still on Zach's phone, he can dispute it easily.
Behold the chunky whoop ass.
Replying to above about Dantonio they went after him hard. What MSU did, and you can pull it up, was a micro press conference with a prepared statement. They then allowed two questions, that Dantonio handled OK, but not great. They then shut the door on it. It died, when you shut the door on the media, they cry and complain until the ratings go away, and then move on. OSU blew this from the beginning, it should have always been about Courtney and Zach, they allowed it to grow by feeding the frenzy at media day. With a prepared statement and no questions by Meyer at media day, this would have died within a week.
spot on. this is an example of exactly why even usually articulate people need pr help and messaging coaching. (or at least a modicum of preparation)
Ironic that the same people who teach pr and crisis management...can’t do it ;)
no one does it alone well.
Upcoming ESPN interview
ESPN: Did you report it to the police Urban?
Urban "The police were already investigating"
ESPN: Did you report it to the university?
ESPN: Did you buy a tan detective trenchcoat, magnifying glass and a fancy pipe and start interrogating suspicious blokes while using a British accent in an attempt to get to the bottom of this?
ESPN: So you really didn't do everything you could correct?
ESPN: SEE YOU HATE WOMEN! You don't believe the Weinstein accusers! Where were you the night of Courtney's abuse? Maybe you hit Courtney!
"Folks make sure to turn into the 11pm Sportscenter tonight to see how Sage Steele was so brave to sit next to newly admitted abuser of Courtney Smith and probably the actually murderer of Nicole Brown Simpson, Urban Meyer."
This one makes me sad I can't upvote yet.
Scarlett & Gray > Blue and Gold
Thank you. I needed a chuckle.
Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.
Watching the Ben Ten Station tonight is enough to make a person sick. What the hell is expected out of Meyer when he actually does the correct thing and reports the possibility of domestic violence to the appropriate people and Zack Smith indicates he did not hit his wife and the police does not provide details indicating that Smith did hit his wife. Do you fire every man that is involved in a marital spat and accused of something? Is that what the media wants. Where is the innocent until proven guilty stance. I wonder if the University recieved any information from the police department that actually stated that Smith abused his wife or just the opposite.
The standard sure seems to be that anyone accused (not proven) of doing a wrong should be fired. What ever happened to "innocent until proven guilty " or "due process "?
Wait, you mean other news outlets are saying bad things about Urban too? This can’t be true, only ESPN hates Urban.
This comment section makes me hate the eleven warriors community
I don’t know who is telling the truth, but Occam’s Razor based on what we do know . . . the most likely scenario . . .
Smith’s ex was actually the one who is prone to violent outbursts. Smith repeatedly cheated on her and was an otherwise bad husband. That is a volatile combination that I’ve personally witnessed several times and the patterns of behavior were eerily similar to this case . . . a theory that so far fits the data better than the pitchfork mob’s theory. Maybe we will find out that the mob is right, though.
And all joking aside that is the way the media, especially ESPN play it. They take up an issue and bait you to respond to it, make it legitimate to the masses, and then shove it down your throat. Until you shut them down and refuse to play the game they will eat you alive.
In reply to above regarding the 11W community, domestic violence and sexual assault are horrible crimes. That being said, subjects guilty of those crimes should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. However, when people (outside groups, individuals, media) get involved in those personal matters for their own agenda, I don't believe in it. When people declare someone guilty or label them an abuser with no facts, no knowledge of the situation, only rumors, etc. I don't support it. When someone goes after innocent people, not involved in the situation and attempt to have their jobs taken from them, trash their reputation, etc. I don't support it. Learn to separate truth from public opinion and media mania.
Very wise words! I will be sure to read all of your comments going forward. My “get off my lawn” meter is telling me that the “85” in your screen name is probably the year you graduated from Ohio State and not your birth year, but if it’s the latter, there is hope for the Millennials yet!
P.S. I love the 11W community but I do not like the OSU administration.
There are two theories to arguing with a woman. Neither works! ~ Will Rogers
carry on ...
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain
UV for the Will Rogers quote.
I also like his quotes about economists, and the Oklahoma people that moved to California.
This was all necessary. It is Ohio State who is laying the traps, not this sleeze-ball hatchet-man reporter.
They needed us to hear the Zack Smith that Urban heard in the office so many times throughout the years. The tales of a troubled man in a toxic relationship that probably made some mistakes in his life. Never been convicted of a crime but you knew he liked the sauce and you worried about him personally.
They needed us to feel the way we felt when the other shoe dropped with this new text message, and we found out we have absolutely no idea wtf went on between these two lunatics. This is a mystery wrapped in a riddle.
the play is to protect Urban. Pass the ball and say Gene was notified. Urban was only hearing one side of this all these years, and that is Zack’s side... plausible deniability... Aside from that his superiors knew about it so Urban checks all the boxes to stay on board.
Gene Smith may not make it. It sounds like they all lit up chesterfields together last night in the rotunda and looked at poor Gene, and said “sorry Gene, you gotta go.”
If Brett wants to act like screenshots are iron clad proof, then check out what I just got
100% battery... nice.
/S You can fake text messages, no way!
At least your fake messages have a time stamp.
I don't remember urban placing his hand on a bible at BIG media days and swearing to tell the truth. Jesus, Look how saban handles media. urban owes them NOTHING.
I find myself torn. If she was abused, then fuck ZS. But from the age of 20 to 24 I was in an incredibly volatile relationship. Most of it revolved around alcohol (and blow, on her part). She would get out of control and start swinging. I just played defense until she went to bed. Then the next morning she'd be like "why didn't you hit me?" "why didn't you put me in my place?". Don't get me wrong, I wanted to choke her out when she got like that. One time I did pick her up and put her against a wall after her slaps turned to punches. We loved each other. Deeply. And in those moments, especially if alcohol is involved, it's a whirlwind. Once she even cut herself so badly I had to take her to the hospital. I got angry stares from literally everyone there. I thought they were going to call the cops. When I did absolutely nothing but care about her.
I'm not saying that's what happened here. In fact, I'm leaning towards Courtney's side of things, because I watched my dad treat my mom like that when i was a kid. (Which is why you should believe my little story above that I wouldn't hurt women). I'm just saying at this point, I don't think it's on Urban (I believe he reported it), it's on the couple. And I'm in a holding pattern on opinion until this gets sorted out by the proper people.
"Aut viam inveniam aut faciam!"
One thing I would point out with regards to the media is they have to be seen as tough on domestic violence and those who would cover up for domestic abusers. They can't find themselves in the crosshairs of looking like they condone domestic violence/intimate partner violence. They kind of have to call for Urban's head or some sort of suspension.
No they don’t “have to”. They created the Twitter Justice culture. They could try fair reporting.
Not that there is any indication that her texts aren’t real, but I sure do hope McMurphy validated that they are. For his sake. He is using them as a weapon.
I would think that she would have threatened Zach with the knowledge that she has been saving these for years. The more you think about this whole story the weirder it gets.
Fields of Dreams
He keeps saying he never "hit" her, but I don't see her ever claiming he did. You don't need to hit her to abuse her. She complained of strangling, throwing against the wall, etc.
He seems like a really bad liar. Who can know for sure though, at this point?
"and revealed that Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith was aware of the allegations she made against him to Powell Police in 2015."
I just hope. based on UFM's statement which I believe, that OSU does the right thing here........
Saban on a cart eating cold pizza
I find it strange that Courtney takes pictures of herself through the mirror (apparently) or worse with someone else taking pictures of her taking selfies.
Also, I swear the bloody finger looks like ketchup.
Unfortunately, I'm trying to understand an irrational situation using rational "what would most people do in that situation?" logic.
If my daughter sends me pictures of abuse she has received, the husband losing his job or getting divorced is the least of his worries...he has to answer to me!
Taking pictures of yourself instead of going to the ER to report the abuse? (scratching head)
Saving text messages for three years in case you might need evidence??? Not my habit. Is that what most people do?
Not politically correct these days to blame the victim...but it does happen that "victims" use their situation to cash in. What has Courtney been using for living expenses for the past three years? What role does the alleged new boyfriend have in motivating this public accusation? Is no one checking bank accounts to see if profit is a motive for going public?
Also happens that unemployed "journalists" look for a big story to pump up their application for a new job. Maybe there is a reason this guy is a "former ESPN reporter".
One final thought...news media whose job it is to report the news are different than those who are paid to offer opinions. Those lines have been blurred by virtually every media outlet in a contest to be the "first to report". I'm buying rounds the first time I hear a media type say "Looks like I jumped the gun and overreacted to partial information with more severe condemnation than was warranted".