Urban Meyer Says He Reported 2015 Zach Smith Incident And Apologizes For Answers At Big Ten Media Days

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Let Urban Go For 3's picture

So this is looking more like the Colorado incident then?

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Chic'sGhost's picture

Don't think so. Who gives a shit if he gives a wrong answer in a press conference?

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

A wrong answer is what you give on Jeopardy. Saying something that you know isn't true ... there's another word for that.

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Chic'sGhost's picture

So he lied at a press conference.  What is the penalty for that?  Death?

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

His lie gave the impression he was indifferent. This statement gives the opposite impression. Now the University has to sort it all out. He should have come prepared for the obvious questions and told the truth. The good news is that it looks like he didn’t torpedo his own career after all.

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Dstacify's picture

My guess is he knew he was surrounded by untrustworthy people at the media day (like McAsshole for example) and chose to dismiss the 2015 claims as a method of deflection. Was it the best course of action? Probably not but it doesn't warrant firing him and he deserves to be back on the sidelines coaching this team IMO. At this point I'm over hearing about Zach Smith and I'm especially over all these fake news journalists trying to predict that Bob Stoops will become the next HC at OSU (no thank you).

11 Strong.

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flabbercasted's picture

Actually, being recorded "on the record", is the absolute best way to assure that your responses are accurately dictated and repeated. There's nothing fake about that, it's what's called quality journalism. The phrase "fake news" has been invented to not only encompass false reporting but also to describe the inconvenient truths that people want to keep concealed, like the guy who claims to have invented the phrase itself.

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Dstacify's picture

Wall Street Journal's article saying Bob Stoops is a no-brainer to take the OSU job is fake news especially after what we now know. No chance in hell Stoops is coming here and why would we want him? He's an over-the-hill coach who constantly underachieved at OU and who has a history of nepotism (look at how long his brother as been DC at OU). I have no doubt after this latest revelation Urban is going nowhere and McMurphy failed in his quest to take him down.

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flabbercasted's picture

Your post is fake news. It was Bleacher Report and they didn't pass it off as a "report", it was only speculative and clearly stated so. You know what the phrase "fake news" is for? It's for numb-nuts who want to pacify their own beliefs and will contort a story to support it.

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berch's picture

Been on this website since 2015 and I have never seen such a politically motivated comment. The first ammendment guarantees freedom of speech among other things, but this is a privately run website and as stated in the commenting policies we are to avoid bringing political ideology into the comment section. Put me in 11W jail, dv me or ban me all together but this comment obviously violates the terms set forth by this website. Talking to you Flabbercasted. Take your political ideology somewhere else.

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TigerSweat's picture

Weird. Sounds like your upset with his particular ideology. I assume that if his apparent ideology more closely lined up with yours, you wouldn't have gave a shit about him posting it.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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berch's picture

Couldn't care less about his particular ideology.
Just don't see the need to push it on this website. By the way, you know what assuming makes you right?

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tracyre's picture

The thing is he's eff'd if he does, he's eff'd if he doesn't.  If he's in the presser and says I'm not going to discuss it, he's creating a shitstorm of questions and taking the focus off his team which is the WHOLE point of the event.  If he says what he did he's still getting crucified.  Not making excuses, think there was a different way to handle, but let's be honest there's not many options. 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

I still question if it was a lie, given the amount of things he deals with + it was 3 years ago, no police action, and was well aware of the marital problems... would you remember?

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ashtabulassassin's picture

re myself above: which jives with the unprepared piece and makes sense. Clearly there is no benefit to him of lying then or now

I think we can take this as I guess I should have done some research on what came my way 3yrs ago

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Woody1967's picture

Ummmmmm....He didn’t lie  listen to the context of the question and what Zach Smith just said on 105.7!!

Beside since when is lying to media a crime?

[This comment was edited for violating the commenting policy regarding politics.]

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buckeyenationlouisvillebranch's picture

I upvote your comment a hundred times if I could. Lol

Football is a religion in Ohio. We attend our service every fall on the banks of the Olentangy. A place we affectionately call "the shoe".

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cricejr's picture

Its absolutely HILARIOUS that you go with a quote from what, 2014, when you easily could have went from a myriad of lies from just last week. Doing things like that really diminishes your credibility.

Urban lied, this much is true, but seeing what you wrote and quoted, lying doesn't seem to be a problem to you, especially lie after lie. But the main thing is that he only lied to the media, not the university and thats a huge plus.

I bleed scarlet...literally

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Ole Buckeye's picture

Yeah, it's kind of a lie when an AD says, we stand behind Coach Hoke, we know it's been tough but we have confidence in the direction he is moving this program. 

Then, boom, you're gone, Coach.

Was it a lie? Maybe, but maybe it was also a case of "we're not prepared to talk about the imminent dismissal of Brady Hoke".

Happens all the time. 

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

You report a coach for potential abuse ... of course you would remember that.  There are a lot of arguments you could offer in defense of Coah Meyer but you're kinda scraping the barrell there IMHO Ash.  Don't mean to be snarky, just playing the devil's advocate to your assertion.   :}

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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Dillon G's picture

His lie gave the impression he was indifferent.

I don't think so. But that is just me. When pushed he should have said this again, no comment like Texas Tom.

I’m not going to get into that, Doug. It’s a very personal matter. The decision was made. I think the details that I’m obligated to give, I gave.

You’re talking about people’s lives, et cetera. So the decision was made. It’s time to move forward. And we are in a public world. I try not to operate, especially when you’re talking about personnel and people, making things because it became public.

But to say that doesn’t have something to do with it, it does a little bit.

#walkaway

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I laughed. Who ever it was yesterday that said there was a podium call today at 4:30 was dead on. So much for some of the haters yesterday.

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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e135800's picture

Bill Belichick says hello. 

 

 

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Findog5's picture

From here on out, I hope Urban treats the media like Belichick does. Talks only football and is brief. Why would he ever be helpful to them after this disrespectful display of conjuring up all their BS. 

The more you act like a lady the more likely he’ll act like a gentleman. 

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booj's picture

Belichick doesn't have to recruit.

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blueinsconsin's picture

It doesn't matter he lied to the media. What matters is that he kept Smith on staff for years after knowing all of this crap

Not here to troll...Go Blue

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fear_the_nut70's picture

People keep saying this, but this is where the fact that no criminal charges were brought in 2015 matters.  Punishing Meyer or OSU for what we know now seems unfair (keep in mind, firing someone for cause when there isn't any can lead to a wrongful termination suit).  I also think that all the info still hasn't come to light about the sordid details of the Smith relationship and divorce.  Saw something yesterday intimating more than 90 911 calls to service to the Smith residence and that the Columbus police stopped coming because they didn't believe her any longer.  I am not taking a position on the truth of this, just saying that there are often a lot to these kinds of stories and it almost certainly hasn't all come out.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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blueinsconsin's picture

Yeah I have a feeling this will be a long and messy road. Even though Smith was never charged, the amount of times the cops were called, the amount of people who knew or assumed, etc etc there still has to be a moral nudge to cut ties with the dude.

Not here to troll...Go Blue

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tracyre's picture

Dude...you are making a HUGE assumption that this was all on Zack.  You know something the REST of the WORLD doesn't?????  I'd LOVE to hear...

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alba buck's picture

It might be a long and messy road but I have a feeling the OSU admin will continue to move as quickly as possible to oust Gene Smith. The events of yesterday make me think they're moving in that direction. If it's a choice between Urban and G. Smith, I think it's no contest for the OSU faithful. 

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Knarcisi's picture

Go back to your fucking hole, Michigan scUM. Have fun getting your ass beat for 6 more years. 

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blueinsconsin's picture

Lol

Not here to troll...Go Blue

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blueinsconsin's picture

It's comments like this that prove there's too many people who are still putting football wins ahead of horrible situations like domestic abuse. Keep up the good work, gang.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Whose to say she isn't a psycho who abused him, then called the cops over and over again...if she lokked like she was beaten they would have arrested him.

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

He didn't lie, he simply misspoke. 

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CincyBuck's picture

Might be an unpopular opinion, but I agree.  I don't think lying to the media about something of this gravity is a "nothing-to-see-here" type of situation.  Though it's unclear in the statement whether he's (1) indicating that he purposefully lied, or (2) apologizing for not being clearer.  I think there's still a middle ground somewhere. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I am not saying no harm no foul.  It's why a suspension could still be in play.  But it isn't what was feared--an intentional lie to the media to cover up the fact that he knew and didn't take appropriate action.  I don't think someone with his record gets fired for what Urban says happened, assuming what he says is true.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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CincyBuck's picture

Agreed on all counts, FTN.  I think this is a case in which a suspension might be appropriate.  He did the right thing until talking about it with the media, at which time he either fibbed or was too unclear.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

50k fine for unpreparedness

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TheAFBuckeye's picture

We aren’t Colorado /s let’s just make it like 200k to a charity and call it good.

Let's Go BUCKEYES!!!!!

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Major H's picture

50k is too much. How about 15 yards for messing up the off season banter threads. Or worse yet, Urban gets "No dessert" stamped on his meal card. Let us just get back to football!

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

The media mislead, lies, and attacks people on a constant basis. Theyre nothing short of a legal mafia that indirectly extorts people that don’t cooperate with them as we’ve seen here. Urban says something that mcturd doesnt like so mcturd sets out to destroy him. I wish more people would push back against the media. I’m sick of how they spin everything to a point of complete falsehood. Worse yet, when people find out the truth, nobody in the media is ever held accountable. 

Also, you wanna question Meyer for lieing to the media. Why not go after mcturd for not attempting to get the whole story from both sides before releasing his report?

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Commodore's picture

Well said, fuck all those assholes

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Buck_Nut93's picture

Best post on this thread. Period. I agree 110%.

Go Buckeyes and Go Lightning!

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Obviously I don't care much about unpopular opinions :)

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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Extramedium's picture

Either way you don't get fired for lying to the media. Unless they are looking for an excuse to fire you already.

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bd2999's picture

Lying is not as bad as the alternative. If you own up to the lie than you are good, at least that is what I know. 

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flabbercasted's picture

That's right, when you only own up to lies involving a cover-up after the proof arrives that you lied and your job is in jeopardy, then you're practically saintly in my book. I always got off the hook in school, with my parents and with superiors at work using that approach!

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bd2999's picture

What conspiracy? If there was an effort initially to not report the charges, lie about that and so on then it is a conspiracy. If you did everything right at the time, then lie but still did the right and legal thing initially how is that wrong? If your job was on the line for the lie that was a lie that ends up with you having done the right thing in the first place than I fail to see how this is that severe. 

A conspiracy would imply that things were not handled correctly at the initial stages and then lied about from that point forward. That would be the worst kind of lie. 

Forgetting and lying is not really the same as some criminal ring. What he did was bad but if he did the right thing about it, what we have is a reporter going overboard because of Urban's statements but Urban did nothing wrong other than answer a reporters question incorrectly. While a problem, it is not the same as a conspiracy. 

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awlinBrutus's picture

Come on Hove this is obviously a ttun fan. Clean out all these new members signing up the day our coach gets suspended.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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2morrow's picture

Correct: "Fake News" - media deserve the respect they give - "0" in many cases.

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bd2999's picture

I am not prepared to say that anything the media said was fake here or in other issues. As far as I know the reporting was spot on factually, it was the opinion aspects that overreacted. The reporting said Urban more than likely knew. Turns out that he knew and reported it. 

He lied in a press conference, that is on him. But not illegal. Nor does it call for a firing. An apology is all that is needed. What we got was an overreaction from a reporter. 

He did have an agenda, I guess, as he probably could have followed up with the University and found out if the University knew and then gone from there. He did not seem to do that. That still does not make the reporting fake, just incomplete and possibly biased. 

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Delamobob's picture

Completely agree. Just because it's apparently popular to crucify "the media" (I.e. a conglomerate of tens of thousands of people with vastly different opinions and sources and experiences) doesn't mean that a story that we as Ohio State fans don't like is "fake news." Fake news is a term that describes news stories based on complete falsehoods; lies created in order to push a certain agenda. McMurphy's report was one-hundred percent factual. Words and terms have meanings. We can't just change the definitions of words to represent our current emotions towards something.

And for the love of god, stop the mass hysteria against "the media." Seriously -- there's good reporting and bad reporting. There are stories based on fact and stories based on lies. Check sources. Think critically. It's really not that hard.

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

It seems he was caught off guard by the question (although why is beyond me, an obvious question given the circumstances), but bothers me his first instinct was to say "no, knew nothing about that".  For someone in his position to lie about an alleged abuse situation is unseemly at best.  That proffered, in my (highly biased and self-serving) opinion it should not be a fireable offense, more along the lines of a few games suspension.  An ill advised response by Urban, a seemingly sleazy husband, a seemingly disturbed wife even in light of what she may have experienced and the sympathy and benefit of the doubt we should give her IMO ... a lot of needless drama.

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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aboynamedtracy's picture

You shouldn't throw quotes around something you paraphrase, especially when it's inaccurate.

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PhillyNut's picture

Play it out further. He knew, he reported it, nothing was done to Smith. This will be seen as a coverup of inaction by Meyer and the school. The lie is not what is important any more.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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bucks4nuts's picture

Will NCAA be involved now ? 

"To The House"

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bucks4nuts's picture

If he told X and they did nothing .. thinking out loud ! I’m always thinking ha

"To The House"

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chris's picture

Haha, yup, DVs on your initial comment just for asking a question.... why?

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fear_the_nut70's picture

For what?  Inaccurate statements to the media?

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Bukirob's picture

For what?  For Meyer following University Policy?   Screw that Id tell the NCAA to go pound sand

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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Bucks62's picture

That strategy worked for UNC and Miami. Only the schools that cooperate get punished. 

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58Buckeye's picture

Screw that Id tell the NCAA to go pound sand

Please let us know how that works out for you! 

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chris's picture

if he reported it and the NCAA feels the university didn't act accordingly.. I'm not saying I agree with that, but... would you really put it past them?

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tcm1968's picture

Depends...... did they get the report, investigate and determine nothing to see here... then probably not... if they covered it up somehow then probably so.... also, maybe unlikely but if it does turn out Zach is REALLY a bad dude University could be liable for clearing him and then putting him around students..

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buckeyenut74's picture

He was cleared by the police, then university is not the police. 

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Bukirob's picture

Game, Set, and Match!

That's a call out to the media

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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McGrind's picture

sweet move...hot potato now in Gene’s hands....quick Gene find a staffer who dropped the ball and get rid of that potato!

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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TPMBuck's picture

This is good news - sure wish at Media days he would've said something like "Domestic violence is a serious issue but I'm not at liberty to discuss personnel issues with the media".

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sanbuckeye's picture

Agree, if he wasn't prepared to discuss he should have just told them he can't comment due to it being a personnel matter being handled by the university and leave it at that. I'm sure he is kicking himself for not taking that course and wishes he could turn back the clock. That said, if he reported the incident it seems probable that he will return, but will have to pay some kind of penalty for the comments to the media.

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FROMTHE18's picture

WE GOT YOU COACH! Fight and win! 

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Daniel's picture

#FreeUrban.  Urban Meyer is not perfect, and none of us are.  But he is our coach, and we need to support him 100%.   

Va Buck

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ashtabulassassin's picture

That's right, some of these people aren't even using the Free Urban avatar... 

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ChristianHaven's picture

Drive on down the field...
We'll cheer as you go;
Our honor defend;
So we'll fight to the end.

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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stpetebuck's picture

The clouds have parted slightly. 

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TheDizzle's picture

Can I get an RIP in the chat for Brett McMurphy

"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish" - Charlie Chaplin

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The Braden's picture

FUCK ESPN SIDEWAYS!!!

GO BUCKEYES!!!

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CincyOSU's picture

Seriously, which MOD is overstepping their authority and censoring a comments that in NO way violate the commenting policy? Explain how my comments are ANY different than the misguided fuck ESPN comments. Are we becoming a site that only approves of group think? 

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

My man.....I have been speaking out against this for a wile.

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Fuck Espn

18 Saturdays till kickoff

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Josh P's picture

I hope urban and Shelly absolutely abuse him with a lawsuit. Fuck Mcmurphy. Piece of shit.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Please tell me what the lawsuit against him looks like?  Meyer knew about 2015.  Check.  There was a second hand conversation between Shelley and another staff wife?  We wait to see if that is legit.  Please tell me what McMurtrey said that is libel.  I will wait here patiently.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Extramedium's picture

When he goes on TV and states that Urban Meyer lied and covered up the truth to protect a domestic abuser despite not having any evidence.  You don't have to wait very patiently after all.

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bdbrown66's picture

Defamation of character comes to mind. 

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TheBadOwl's picture

Where did McMurphy make any statements about Meyer's character?

McMurphy's report said that Urban Meyer knew of the 2015 incident.

Urban's statement is "yeah, I knew about the 2015 statement."

What did McMurphy do wrong, exactly, aside from reporting something about your favorite team?

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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OSU_JD's picture

His report was still irresponsible.  He only reported one side. He was in Columbus for three days and spoke to ONE person.  ONE.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Did you ever think for a minute that maybe the Meyer's, the University, and Zach (who is being prosecuted) weren't interested in talking?  Regardless, he could talk to 1 person or 2,000, that isn't the issue.  The issue is the accuracy of his information.  Please stop making these stupid arguments so I don't have to defend him or keep explaining this to clueless people.  Pay attention to the facts, what is actually going on and stop getting distracted by red herrings...

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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bigbluebuckeye's picture

You may be the most unnecessarily condescending person on here. That's saying something. It also seems tiresome. Both in just being so smart and always having to remind people just how much smarter you are. Take a break. Us morons will be fine without you for a little while -- promise. 

Our honor defend we will fight to the end for OHIO!

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Zimmy07's picture

I’m faitly certain that there were others willing to talk.

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GareBear's picture

I think the point is that Courtney said “he knew”, while UFM said, “I didnt know,” and now UFM is saying, “not only did I know, but I did something about it.”

UFM is on the record denying knowledge, so Mcwhatshisname is now proven true by Urban’s tweet. However, he certainly does look either 

a) irresponsible for not digging into Urban’s true awareness, or 

b) heroic for forcing Urban to admit he knew - though the fluff in his story is mitigated by Urban’s admission that he acted upon it.

In any case, if Urban has documentation, sounds like he should be covered and someone else will need to get the boot. 

"Because I couldn't go for three." - Woody Hayes

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stpetebuck's picture

He reported a condemning article with a completely one sided point of view given by one accuser  Then with no information to weigh against,  he made his own assumptions repeatedly during interviews of Him.  

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Jeff is a passionate guy's picture

Where did McMurphy make any statements about Meyer's character?

McMurphy's report said that Urban Meyer knew of the 2015 incident.

Urban's statement is "yeah, I knew about the 2015 statement."

What did McMurphy do wrong, exactly, aside from reporting something about your favorite team?

Ok, Mr. Contrarian. You are clueless. He’s basically called Meyer a liar every which way. Listen to the Audible podcast and you’ll hear him say Urban is lying. It’s implied at the very least, unless you’re incapable of comprehending that. Calling somebody a liar, especially a celebrity like Meyer, absolutely defames their character!

I’m Jeff, and I approve this message.

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McGrind's picture

ummm...Urb did lie...multiple times...watch the tape...damn convincing lie too

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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PSU fan's picture

Urban admitted he lied. 

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MN Buckeye's picture

PSU fan, you have no right to comment here.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

At least his comment was about something he's an expert at witnessing. 

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Extramedium's picture

He was on ESPN all day yesterday saying that Meyer protected and enabled an abuser.

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bdbrown66's picture

The implication was that Urban knew, and failed to take any action to protect a DV victim. If he did, in fact, report what he knew, and McMurphy didn't bother trying to report that because it would kill his story, that's certainly defamation. If I had Urban's money, I'd sue him even if I thought my case was weak, just to force him to spend money on a lawyer.

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

When UFM was asked at media days about if he knew or not, it was specifically about domestic violence right? If so I want to make a few points:

1) The 2015 stuff was sealed. UFM was probably aware of a problem, but the DV was covered up by the accuser in the first place. 

2) I’m pretty sure ZS would tell Urban that they were just going through a divorce and having problems as he’d be covering up any DV himself for fear of loss of his job  

3) Shelly probably did say something to Urban after the text conversation, but considering some of the stuff flying around the internet, Courtney might need not be the most credible source. This leads me to believe it could’ve been easily played off by Shelly as a “Zach and Courtney are fighting again” kind of conversation as that seems to be the norm. 

4. If Urban says he was unaware of DV, and considering he may have really been in the dark about the accusations per my previous points, of course he says what he says as to him this would’ve been a “media is blowing this out of proportions” in his head. They are digging for a story.

So I ask, is it really that impossible to think Urban didn’t even lie at the media event?? Courtney and Zach both took measures to make sure he didn’t know back then. It’s not his job to be a marriage counselor. No reports of DV, Zach says it didn’t happen back then, school finds nothing, to him until now the DV didn’t exist. So if I were him I’d probably answer the same way at media days. Just saying, think about it after you’ve read all the info we have. 

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Just throwing buzz words around.  Please explain your theory precisely.  I can't wait to see it.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Extramedium's picture

Not a theory.  He spoke to every media outlet he could yesterday and repeatedly said Urban Meyer enabled and protected a domestic abuser.  

You act like all he did was report the information he had, while leaving the window open for the other side of the story like a good journalist should.  He couldn't resist putting his own interpretation and opinion into everything he said, hoping he'd get the credit for bringing down the mighty Urban Meyer.

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Findog5's picture

Good journalist is an oxymoron these days. 

The more you act like a lady the more likely he’ll act like a gentleman. 

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aj99's picture

HIs mistake was hating Urban to the point that it blinded him from checking to see if there was really an issue.  He thought this was title ix.  He thought the timing was right.  He didn't understand that the BIG is circling the wagons to protect their coaches and he didn't understand that this wasn't title ix.  He's just did a piss poor hack job.  He was right in thinking that it would get him a lot of attention though.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

His statement was that Meyer knew about the 2015 incident (from circumstantial evidence).  Meyer came out and said that he did. The rest of your rant is a characterization of his piece without link to actual false claims.  Move on.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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aj99's picture

Wait? what? 70, I'm not saying he made false claims...just that he didn't understand the environment the way he should have and it probably cost him some reputation points.  Maybe you're addressing someone else. Sorry if you were.

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Extramedium's picture

He's interested in defending his bromosapien Brett.

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booj's picture

you're (probably) right that he didn't get the whole story.

reporters facing a deadline rarely do. even watergate was a piece with a progression of new revelations. it's completely fair game for one media reporter to report what they know and expect others to pick up the torch. this isn't libel. it isn't defamation. it's just incomplete.

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OSU_JD's picture

He had plenty of opportunity to talk to other people.  If the Smiths' issues were well-known, any former player or coach could have at least provided some context.  

He spoke to ONE person and drew a slew of conclusions from that.  It was reckless reporting. 

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Thundermoose87's picture

“Reckless reporting” is the best characterization I’ve seen yet. 

To say “Urban Meyer knew, he had to know, I don’t have any evidence, but he had to.” Then to find out he knew, did everything he was supposed to, and just didn’t want to tell you...that makes Brett look like he was witch hunting over a personal beef. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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TheBadOwl's picture

That's a misreading of his report.

His report was "Courtney Smith alleges that Urban Meyer knew"

There was a text from another coach's wife saying that Urban talked to Zach about it. That's circumstantial evidence but still enough to publish as corroboration of someone else's allegation. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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OSU_JD's picture

No you are not getting away with that.  This is the opening sentence of McMurphy's report on Facebook:

Text messages I have obtained, an exclusive interview with the victim and other information I have learned shows Ohio State coach Urban Meyer knew in 2015 of domestic abuse allegations against a member of his coaching staff.

That's not him saying "the victim alleges UM knew", that's him saying, "Urban Meyer knew". LITERAL QUOTE.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I do see what you are saying, based on evidence he had at hand, it didn't support his conclusion.  But with what we know now, his conclusion was correct, even if it was just an educated guess based on the texts. That some think he can be sued for libel or defamation of character is a gross misunderstanding of what one has to prove (and I know you aren't saying that per se).

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Extramedium's picture

That's fine as long a he presents the story as incomplete and doesn't insert his own opinion and uninformed conclusion as fact on national television and podcasts all day.

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bdbrown66's picture

He had no deadline. He posted the article on his Facebook page, because he's currently under a non-compete agreement.

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SilverHaven's picture

Fantastic response!

Urban acknowledged he may have made some misleading statements without admitting guilt.

And he explicitly stated that he had indeed reported to the proper authorities.

Point, game, set, match. 

Over. Aloha!

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

How bittersweet it would be if he forgot to check with our athletic department.

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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Aristotle's picture

Which part of McMurphy's article was inaccurate?

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hetuck's picture

He said Zach was arrested. He was not.

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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t-dub's picture

I guess one could look to the characterization.

If you say that Coach admitting that he reported it absolves the author for saying that he knew, then the author is at fault for stating or implying Coach did nothing.

If the author is entitled to amend as the story develops, is Coach not entitled to the same grace?

"What is our aim, I can tell you in one word. Victory" Winston Churchill

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

If this checks out then no way in hell he gets fired. Nothing to this involving him. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

No, and it makes it look like a suspension for his statements to the media might be a possibility.  We will see about that.  But if he reported this, OSU can't fire him (as long as he didn't suppress key details, something like that).  If I were Gene Smith, or whoever he reported it too, I'd be a bit nervous right about now.  He has been awfully quiet for the face of the athletic program.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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RC's picture

I'd suspend him from coaching the Spring game next year.

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BrutusB's picture

He’d probably love that. “Suspend” him from doing his radio show too. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I wanted him reinstated with no suspension so I can watch people's head's explode.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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stxbuck's picture

I agree w/ this take-in theory and as a reasonable way to wrap up this mess. Suspend Urban a couple games for lying to the media and move on-or look for some bureaucratic heads to roll if Urban did indeed report it.

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NHBuckeye's picture

And he reported the incident in 2015.  He should be completely off the hook.  Seems like he misspoke at the B1G conference which is unfortunate.  But apparently he was saying that it was looked into and nothing there (no charges or whatever).  So his words got him into trouble.

There is no way he's lying about this with the investigation going on.  That would be suicide for him.  I think he's in the clear.  

And it probably also let's McMurphy off the hook as he was running with the words that Urban said.

Fields of Dreams

 

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stpetebuck's picture

Agreed 

gawd I hope it works out!!

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TigerSweat's picture

Imo, he didn't mispeak or lie. He basically said that there wasn't a 2015 incident to speak of. I believe he said this because the university looked into and told urban that there was nothing to see.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Aristotle's picture

"He didn't mispeak or lie"

Didn't he say he didn't know anything about it until a few days prior?

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TPMBuck's picture

My impression is that Urban is most truthful when he speaks off the cuff - but his line of reasoning isn't always clear. I'm thinking (hoping) that he was only referring to the sealed arrest report which he knew nothing of and not to the larger situation of the Smiths' domestic problems.

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mittenst8buck's picture

He probably didn't want it to turn into a question and answer about Zach Smith. He probably figured if he said he didn't know anything it would shut everyone up and they could get back to football. However that doesn't happen this day and age...

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Chic'sGhost's picture

He reported it, she had a lawyer, dipshit Zach had a lawyer, and everyone wants to hang Meyer?  This is getting ridiculous.  He didn't hit or pay anyone.  He's not the ruler of the world. 

"You're welcome for the house I built."

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BluntedBrutus's picture

My thoughts as well. It seems if he notified them then all he did was say "No comment" in the wrong fashion...

"Conversely, Urban Meyer and his players are an unstoppable army of football automatons that feel no emotion and win in any and every setting."

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Dillon G's picture

BTN and my guys I watch are butt hurt, and they are media. So that makes sense. They made the stretch Zack is guilty of everything and a woman beater. For those that don't know, you can't beat a woman, have the police show up, and not go to jail. Well, maybe in the backwoods of West Virginia.

#walkaway

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southbay's picture

There are those who will and do indeed claim that anything is possible in and around Columbus if done in the name of Ohio State Football. That is a palpable undertone in what little media coverage I have seen and heard outside of 11W, so there must be a lot of it about, and it's not going away.

I suggest that would be good to be mindful of always.

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

I lived in West Virginia for a few years while in school..... you can do it in the backwoods and the cities. 

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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avail31678's picture

Unfortunately I disagree.  He’s jockeying for a settlement or future next job.  He’s essentially thrown OSU under the bus. 

Ideally it doesn’t go that way and anyone that needs to go, goes, and Urban stays.  I really really hope that’s what happens, but my gut has mixed feelings.

I love that he’s standing up though.  Maybe this makes OSU cave and he stays.  I hope I hope I hope!

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Buckeyelicious's picture

Looking forward to when he can answer questions publicly.  It sounds like he has some good responses.

"Cause I couldn't go for three." -- Woody Hayes, 11/23/1968

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stpetebuck's picture

ARE YOU READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL??

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

No way Meyer digs in like this if he doesn’t have evidence to support himself 

And to whoever is downvoting comments fuck you shit   bag. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Cooper's picture

No way Meyer digs in like this if he doesn’t have evidence to support himself 

Agree.

And to whoever is downvoting comments fuck you shit   bag. 

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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NHBuckeye's picture

I agree with you ASJ.

And LOL

Fields of Dreams

 

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okiebuck's picture

Ditto; ASJ has been the man all day on multiple threads!

The only hard day was yesterday

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TigerSweat's picture

It's a Michigan troll who is butthurt that Meyer will be able to keep on pounding their pathetic team into the ground every season.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Extramedium's picture

The only uspide coming from Urban losing his job would have been beating UM and Harbaugh with an interim head coach.   But I'm still glad it looks like that won't have to happen.

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Aristotle's picture

If he reported it back then, more power to him but he looks like a jackoff for saying the opposite at media days. But the more important thing is he's 73-8 and lives to coach again.I wonder if the overwhelming level of support on this issue would be present if his record at Ohio State was 42-39 and he'd lost 3 times in a row to Michigan.

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OHBoy74's picture

He'd already be gone before his record ever got to 42-39.  He'd been let go because of performance years ago.

Haters gonna hate and Bert is gonna Bert.

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So aMaysn's picture

He wouldn't be our coach so the issue would be moot...

GO BUCKS!

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Dillon G's picture

Im giving a HS for the F U 

#walkaway

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BuckeyeFanInBoulder's picture

No way Meyer digs in like this if he doesn’t have evidence to support himself 

Absolutely. The university will have evidence either verifying or denying that he escalated the 2015 incident. Urban would be a total moron to say this, hypothetically the university cannot produce said filings/documentation, then he goes all in for a "you lost my report!" nonsense. Texts and phone calls around the time of filing may also prove or disprove that assertion. There may be an email from DocuSign or similar, depending on the software used, etc. (don't tell me these are done with carbon copy paper or carrier pigeons).

Zach also states that Gene called him back to Ohio in 2015 (again, phone as well as itinerary amendment records should prove or disprove this) so it's pretty clear they agree Gene was aware. Both would have to be total pathological liars to announce this in concert if not fact. Despite the media's portrayal of both as human garbage, I don't think Urban is a pathological liar or a moron. They seem to have back the university and Gene Smith into a corner here. It now appears to be time for the university to clarify why nothing was done sooner. I assume the Powell PD will be involved in that area.

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accyprof's picture

Thank you, Coach!  Looking forward to your return ASAP.

accyprof

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Jwolfe18's picture

Um, I don't know. I tend to agree with 97.1, I think he is fired already. 

I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face - Woody

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Urban? How do you come to that conclusion?

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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JCam061588's picture

You’re crazy if you think they fired him over blowing off a statement to the media. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Interrobanged's picture

Fired up? Well yeah, the season is almost here.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I think we have an OSU hater on our hands (just a guess).  Shit in one hand and wish in the other, see which one fills up first.  If you aren't a hater, you aren't following along at all, and should refrain from commenting. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Jwolfe18's picture

Born and raised Ohio State fan. Graduated from the University. Grew up in Columbus. Still live here. Just calling it like I see it. 

I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face - Woody

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Nothing annoys me more than a drive by statement with no analysis.  thanks for chipping.

I think the world is going end tomorrow, I am certain of it.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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JJBuckeye's picture

You know what annoys me, is your analysis of everyone else’s statements and then your condescending opinion on those statements. 

Since you know more than anyone else on here about the whole Urban situation, I wish you were on the committee board that is overseeing this investigation so that Urban would be reinstated by Monday. 

Change your name to Hear_the_nut007.  It’s obvious you like to hear yourself talk and think that you are better than other posters. 

Object of a chat board is for people to give their insight to the subject at hand. If their insight is different then yours it’s ok if you just read their viewpoint, not agree with it internally, and move on without posting how wrong they are and how your viewpoint is the only right one to consider. Go Bucks

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I don't mind different opinions, just explain yourself.  Is that really too much to ask?

I think he will be fired.  Ok, why?

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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JJBuckeye's picture

Did you say something?  Go Bucks

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Why did y'all downvote this to oblivion? Nothing bad here, just perceived things differently...

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Jwolfe18's picture

Think of it this way, what is the positive to this statement? Do we really think the school is okay with him putting this out? 

I never saw a football player make a tackle with a smile on his face - Woody

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booj's picture

the positive is that his reporting the incident indicates that he isn't negligent in his reporting duties (real or not) and took reasonable steps to oversee his staff. what's not positive to that?

And if he did report it up the chain, can we really trust "the school" to be the correct arbiter of who is more responsible for organizational inaction?

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JCam061588's picture

Do you really think he released this statement without their approval? If that’s the case he could’ve released this the day of & killed a whole day of speculation.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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booj's picture

i absolutely think it's possible. *someone* decided either that the issue didn't warrant looking into or that it was resolved to their satisfaction. if that person was not meyer, it's someone within the athletic department, and they now have some explaining to do. (they may very well be justified, but I wouldn't want to face this shitstorm of media pirhannas)

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I am with you, he was silent yesterday to give the school a chance to investigate.  But at some point, radio silence gets equated in the court of public opinion as guilt (the equivalent of lawyering up in a courtroom).  I would bet my bottom dollar he ran this by the school.  Only way he doesn't is if he: a) reported this up the chain; and b) someone else didn't do what they were supposed to and this is every man for himself (which leads one to get ahead of the narrative before it is crafted).  I hope this is not the case.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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Extramedium's picture

The positive is that he did was he was supposed to have done.  I don't believe he would have made such a definitive statement if he doesn't have proof of his reporting the incident.  

And of course he ran it by the school first.  Contrary to what you might believe, OSU WANTS to keep one of the best college football coaches ever on staff.

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dc215833's picture

Sounds to me someone above him is going to lose their job. 

D

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Yep, that's what it sounds like to me too.  If Meyer can prove his claim, then his sin is lying to the media, and OSU isn't firing him for that.  What would have gotten him fired was not following the proper reporting protocol, and I always thought he was too smart for that (and wouldn't mess around with a mutli-million dollar job).  I look forward to his reinstatement.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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stpetebuck's picture

Frankly, this might also explain why an underperforming assistant kept his job for so long. 

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booj's picture

not saying one way or the other, but let's play that out

(too many smiths, so i'll go with zach and gene.) meyer reports zach's abuse to gene. gene does nothing. zach underperforms. meyer wants to oust zach. zach brings up his own abuse as a reason for him to stay? gene capitulates and years later gets caught flat-footed in a scandal? not seeing it.

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stpetebuck's picture

No, meyer reports the incident, gene says thanks lawyers got it from here.. Meyer’s hands tied. 

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booj's picture

having a report of possible abuse by a coach--proven or not--would not preclude him from being fired on the grounds of inadequate performance.

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OSU_JD's picture

that's not "for cause" and they would have to pay him out. is that a responsible choice?

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booj's picture

if he wasn't performing in urban's eyes, yes. smith was not a big name. it's not hard to see he's the low man on the osu salary totem pole. costs would have been minimal.

this is ohio state. we don't keep bad assistants because we can't afford their buyout. (we might keep bad assistants for other bad reasons, but not that one)

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stpetebuck's picture

Maybe you’re right but if a guy is lawyered up and osu is investigating him it may be too coincidental to say ‘you’re not a good enough coach you’re fired’. Plus has Urbs ever fired anyone?

just questions , Not even my opinion 

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booj's picture

he is (was) an at-will employee with a contract with pre-defined termination conditions. he doesn't need to give a reason. and yes, urbs is much more a fan of the "Everett Withers believes the best next stop in his career progression is James Madison" method of firing someone.

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AZBuck LHC's picture

Yes! If accurate, Coach did his part by reporting what he heard to the appropriate party. If there was a failure to respond it lies with whomever was notified by Meyer. The big issue here is Urban(Based on his comments) did not hide information from the University.

Buckeye B

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aj99's picture

What was tOSU supposed to do?  Seriously?  Sealed records and a spouse who wouldn't press charges.  Come on man. They fired Smith as soon as they should have.

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Thundermoose87's picture

This is where I land to. That could have easily turned into a wrongful termination case and they’d have no evidence to back it up. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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ARMYBUCK's picture

I agree with this take.  However, if they would have fired him solely based off of job performance with no mention of his domestic shortcomings he wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.

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t-dub's picture

I understand your point.

I think he could have pointed at the last 4 recruiting classes and his duty title as Recruiting Coordinator and had some substance.

"What is our aim, I can tell you in one word. Victory" Winston Churchill

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ARMYBUCK's picture

Certainly,  I agree with this as well.  I still feel as though they wouldn't have to explain themselves in depth if, based on his position coaching duties, they wanted to make an upgrade at the position.

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Aristotle's picture

"They fired Smith as soon as they should have."

Seems like the only thing that triggered the firing was the media and the public just found out. Either Smith deserved to be fired for his actions or he didn't. The public finding out shouldn't be the trigger.

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aj99's picture

Agree.  But maybe there was more than the media report and could have been related to something other than media report.

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Interrobanged's picture

Or they kept him on staff after an investigation found nothing, along with no police record of the incident.  But who knows. 

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NHBuckeye's picture

And no charges filed.

I think you are right.

Fields of Dreams

 

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tcm1968's picture

Doesn't have to be above him... could have died on the compliance officers desk.. 

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Aristotle's picture

Damn that Drake, well I never liked him anyway and how many national championships does he have?

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@osu.fbu's picture

Unless the rumors about her history of making false allegations (i.e. saying he's following her when he's verifiably at practice) are true. In which case, the superiors may have judged the allegations to be lacking merit.

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wyatt's picture

So he misspoke, mislead or misinformed? Maybe equivocated? 

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stpetebuck's picture

Big Ten Media presser is not a legal testimony. 

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JCam061588's picture

What makes you say that? If he reported the incident, then he’s in the clear. Coaches don’t get fired for blowing off the media.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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mockjocks's picture

I was just curious as to why the University didn’t release that statement or if they agreed with what urban is saying, that’s all. I read it like he feels the need to tell his side first because there is disagreement inside  the University. That’s all I meant by not in one piece. Basically somebody above urban is in trouble

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JCam061588's picture

Various reasons. To make sure they are doing their due process or at least appearing too. Rehashing things with Meyer. OSU has a reputation for being very calculated in how they respond to these situations.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Buckloving's picture

I believe this gets even uglier too MJ........it's going to get nasty. ....listening to Tiki and Tierney right now. They're thinking same thing

bobbyd

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schwab's picture

They've both dropped the ball here in the last few days.

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js2378's picture

If this is true, he'll be back. 

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BrutusB's picture

...but some person in the athletic department certainly won’t be. 

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Extramedium's picture

Still not sure why.  Even someone higher up can't fire Smith because of allegations especially when the police did nothing.   Once they did, he was fired.

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Buckeye_in_OK's picture

Hurry up Sept 1st! 

Beat Oregon State!   With Coach Meyer on the sidelines!!!!

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Carnee42's picture

I feel a little bit better now...he admitted his goof but it looks like he did what was required.  

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SilverState's picture

Perfect response.

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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LoufromOSU's picture

Yes, they have definitely upgraded the PR department since Tressel departed.  

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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SilverState's picture

Lingering question though: why did he keep him on staff after 2015

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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Rollin'85South's picture

Because Zach Smith was found to not be charged with anything. It’s all allegations. Just imagine if everyone who was ever accused of something lost their job until they proved their innocence on something the police have already investigated and found no grounds to even file charges. 

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okiebuck's picture

Earle Bruce??

The only hard day was yesterday

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DrSpaceman's picture

Meyer also apologized for providing inaccurate answers to questions about whether he was aware of those allegations during last week's Big Ten Media Days

This is extremely disappointing and downright foolish. You know the type of questions that are going to be asked, and you don't see the need to prepare? And when they do come, you give incorrect responses? I feel like this wouldn't have grown to the magnitude it's grown to if people actually did their due diligence last week.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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Nickstar532's picture

O give me a break, he lied to the media. No crime in that, maybe McMurphy should have had all his facts before he reported. 

Also, coaches lie to the media all the time. 

Reporter: who's the starting QB?

Meyer: Still an open competition

Everyone on the planet: Dwayne Haskins.

Go Bucks!

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DrSpaceman's picture

Sure it’s not a crime and it’s not a fireable offense. But half of the problem is coming from the fact that he said he didn’t know and Courtney’s saying he probably did. They (as in the admin, not just Meyer) definitely should’ve anticipated the possibility that there would be some pushback on his claim he didn’t know and gotten out ahead of it.

And now that there is pushback, he says he did know. If he read this exact statement word for word at media days he would be in a lot less shit than he is right now IMO.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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booj's picture

There's a difference between the magnitude and the rationale behind those lies. Everyone acknowledges that lying to the media is virtually a job description for a head coach. This was a major unforced error though.

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Noahkat's picture

I can’t give out HS yet but I would give about 30 to your comment! 

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Thedrw's picture

"2015, I got a text late last night something happened in 2015. And there was nothing. Once again, there’s nothing — once again, I don’t know who creates a story like that."

He lied THEN accused others of lying. Not a good look.

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LawClub's picture

Maybe... Maybe not. It could be he was simply not concise in that he was talking about a police report of DV, for example, instead of knowing about any allegations. One would tend, and rightfully so, to be circumspect in talking in public about such things, also.

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Davebuck187's picture

The media lies to us daily.

"Woody is a God-fearing man. It's good to know that he's afraid of somebody."
-Archie Griffin.

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Symbolic47's picture

Yup. Nobody owes the media shit. Fuck the media 

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YTOWNBUCKI's picture

You need to understand that as it pertains to the specific instance in 2015, people's personal lives are at stake.  Do you really expect Meyer to stand up there and tell everyone that stuff?  Not everything needs to be made public.  

And maybe most people are forgetting the fact that two children are going to read all of this shit about their parents one day.

I sell women's shoes.

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DrSpaceman's picture

“I was aware of the 2015 incident and I reported it when I became aware. I fired Zach Smith because after reflecting on the past accusations, it became clear to me that regardless of the outcome of any legal proceedings, his behavior does not reflect the values of this team.”

Maybe then he’s a hypocrite for not firing him sooner, but it’s better than where he is now.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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Buckeye1996's picture

YTOWNBUCK post: This a million times and may you be showered with up votes. Urban said what he said for good reasons. Reasons that nearly all of the assholes in the media will never ever be able to understand because they are OUT FOR THEMSELVES.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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GrayDay's picture

I have no problem with him lying to the media per se, but how in the world did OSU not prepare him to answer those questions?  We all were expecting those questions the minute the 2015 news broke.  And while glad he did report the matter, the question is still sitting out there - why wasn't Smith fired back then, when a restraining order is all it took to fire him now?  I expect the University wasn't prepared to answer why Smith still was employed.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

(straw)
(camel's broken back)

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Extramedium's picture

Because back then there wasn't even a restraining order. It was just her word.

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booj's picture

you're right. with the resources he has at his disposal, it's an organizational failure not to have prepared for these questions. 

think about it this way: was he as hard on himself for misfiring at B1G media days as he was not preparing his o-line for a bear front against VT in '14? He should be. The latter was a speed bump. The former almost cost him his program.

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Actorjonnyb's picture

Don't think so buckeye hater. The BIG media days is about football, not private info about a coach where there is no official police report. I could care less what he said to the media at that event. He should have started his press conference by saying I will not address ANY issues about an assistant coach issue we are handling internally.

buckeyeinla

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Yeah, why didn't he?  Meyer has been almost to transparent and honest in presser on things like team performance.  But with sensitive info like this, seems like a no brainer to just say what you said.  I don't get it.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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t-dub's picture

FTN, I hate to be that guy but, that is not the correct "to"...

I know, I know.  I will show myself out

"What is our aim, I can tell you in one word. Victory" Winston Churchill

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McGrind's picture

or just gave a short trueful answer. “yes I knew of previous problems, they were reported as required, Zach is no longer employed at OSU...and that is all I will say about that”

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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BuckeyeGus's picture

Welcome back coach. To McMurphy: Bye Felicia

Class of 2005

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NashBuckeye's picture

Go back to Cheers and sit next to Norm Peterson, Cliffy!

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DibbleDabble's picture

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Mm, I'd like to eat a McFlurry... 

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buckeyes763's picture

We’re Sorry, the Ice cream machine is broke

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nm_buck's picture

Get a Blizzard, higher quality and always in stock

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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WVBuckeye's picture

Bad news: Not a good look that he didn’t tell the truth at media days.

Good news: if the investigation confirms what he said, he won’t be fired.

Go Bucks!

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buckeyeguy0615's picture

It’s not against any rule to lie to the media.

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Cooper's picture

It does not mean Urban didn't look utterly foolish and hypocritical when making this statement, though. I do believe he was underprepared and I do think he acted in one of the most naive ways possible at B1G media days: but if that is all he is guilty of, he should remain the head coach and learn some valuable lessons.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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BAJ's picture

Screw the media, they lie and outright falsify things that are said all the time. McMurphy is going to be found out to be a hack, it's why ESPN dumped him

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Buckeye Beast's picture

I hear visitors from other countries come here and are astounded by how much bias and negativity is pumped into our news outlets. I tend to believe it, so yeah, screw the media.

Downvoting Michigan fans since 2012

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BuckeyeBurrows's picture

Nothing that he reported was false. Meyer said he knew it 2015, which is what was insinuated by McMurphy's report. The questionable action was whether or not Urban knew and/or reported it, which he claims he did. Time will tell.

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Extramedium's picture

Nothing he reported in writing was false (other than reporting Smith was arrested,) but when he goes on TV and says Urban enabled and protected a serial abuser in order to keep pushing his story and agenda, that's what I have a problem with and so should everyone else.  He's supposed to be a reporter of the news, not jumping to conclusions and making accusations with one side of the story.

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Dillon G's picture

I'd put the New York Times top 50 lies about Russian Collusion and their page 38 retractions here, but it isn't wanted.

#walkaway

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SilverState's picture

Seems like it was more miscommunication - could've been more clear - than "not telling the truth."

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Could've been way worse than not telling the truth to the media. 

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Schizo's picture

Eh even if accurate he still may be fired due to PR issue of him knowing that his coach was beating his wife and still not firing him. Also, it's pretty bad that if it got reported and nothing was done... At this point, multiple people may get the axe.

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Buckeye_in_OK's picture

Still lots of unknown info at this time,  but Urban does not have the ability to fire anyone.  If Urban can prove he did what was proper protocol then its not his fault Ohio State decided not to fire him. Multiple ppl may get axe, but Urban shouldn't be one of them. 

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JJBuckeye's picture

Once UFM gave the information to the higher ups isn’t it up to them to do the firing and not Urban?  Go Bucks

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I disagree.  The purpose of reporting this up the chain is so that it can be looked into.  A logical conclusion is that OSU did just that and part of the decision to not fire him might be that no charges were brought.  Or, that there are other details that mean this isn't that cut and dried like all the 911 calls to service for the Smith residence.  It does strike me that if he reported it to say Gene Smith, and he did nothing, Gene Smith has a problem.  But with all the info that is coming to light, I am guessing that is not the case and that the situation with the Zach and Courtney is not a crystal clear one.

While I don't agree with your conclusion, I appreciate you explaining your position instead of just a lazy "he gone" type comment.  This leads to better dialogue.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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kmp10's picture

What? He reported it to his superiors. He fulfilled his contractual obligations and followed university protocol. Fired because he panicked and lied to reporters in Chicago last week? Please. In addition, Smith said on radio today that, although he doesn't believe he deserved to be fired, he understands why he was fired. It's difficult to fire people from state employment with no charges having been filed and no determination of guilt having been rendered by a court just because of the optics, i.e., the "PR". When Meyer went to Gene Smith, or the university's Title IX liaison, or whomever it is he's obligated to report this kind of information to, he completed his duty. Was it bungled optically? Absolutely, and Meyer is far too seasoned in matters of the media to make such a stupid error... but screwing up your presser is not a fireable offense. Hell, it's not even a suspendible offense, imo. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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BAJ's picture

Oh I get the feeling if the Twitter rumors are true, defamation will be the least of Courtneys worries. She can probably forget about custody and alimony ever again. At this point I see her as a blood sucker and hope Zach Smith gets exonerated

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BuckeyeBurrows's picture

What did she say that was ultimately false? The text messages are what they are. Zack is without doubt not a great guy and deserved to be fired. Jury is still out on Urban, we need corroboration on his claims that he did indeed file a report in 2015.

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DRsilver's picture

BS- According to reports she called the police over 90 times WITH NO EVIDENCE!  "It got to the point where the police quit going because it was the same story with no proof". She was obviously a nut case and set about ruining Zachs' life. She was the type that used abuse as a weapon! If all she said was true Zach would have been arrested many times! Urban knew, the other coaches knew, and OSU knew she was a nut job out to destroy Zach.  JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING MANY TIMES DOES'NT MAKE IT TRUE! 

I have a feeling that this woman is the problem and Zach and Urban are taking the hit for her shit!

Go Bucks!

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Seebs's picture

I'm new here so please put me in my place if need be - but this has to be the saddest/worst take on this entire mishandled debacle.

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d1145fresh's picture

Well this is quite the turn of events.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Tressel fell on the sword for Gene Smith and the athletic department. Urban Meyer is not going to do that. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Cruiser79's picture

LOL, Tressel didn't fall on his sword for Gene Smith or the athletic department. 

The one entity that I really want to here from on this matter is the Powell Police Department.  Hope the fact finders are able to come to a quick resolution in this sad matter. 

Cruiser79

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BTwrestle04's picture

Tressel most certainly fell on the sword for Gene Smith. I know more about that situation than anyone on this site, unless for some reason Mark Summers is on this site.

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Knarcisi's picture

Tressel informed Gene Smith. Factual. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

I believe this to be true, but, have never seen actual proof of this.  Do you have a source for this?

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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BTwrestle04's picture

My source is literally in the post. 

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BTwrestle04's picture

Is this a sarcastic post or an honest post? I honestly can't tell.

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Cruiser79's picture

First,  it should be hear not here from. Second, if you believe that Coach Tressel covered for Gene Smith then for the good of the University contact the NCAA with your proof. It is beyond unfair to blame Gene Smith with the actions of our former football coach. It also looks like we will  have Urban back thankfully coaching the Buckeyes again. 

Cruiser79

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Nickstar532's picture

Strong statement, basically saying f%$# the haters, get all the facts and then make your judgement. He's fighting this and doesn't appear to be going anywhere.

Go Bucks!

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TheBadOwl's picture

Can everyone PLEASE stop bashing Courtney now?

That awful Bucknuts shitpost has been spreading like wildfire here as part of wishful thinking that, if her story was disproven, Urban would be in the clear. This is Urban admitting that he knew. Can we PLEASE show a bit of sympathy towards her now? 

Urban's statement doesn't dispute her allegations towards Zach, nor does it defend Zach. Urban talks about the gravity of domestic abuse. That's something we should all consider. 

This community (and other OSU forums) viciously attacking Courtney Smith is shameful, disgusting and embarrassing. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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TheBadOwl's picture

Everyone jumped to the "if we can pick her story apart we can exonerate Urban" when the best outcome always seemed to be Courtney getting justice and Urban showing that he either truly didn't know (despite her sincerely-held beliefs that he did).

Now, Urban is admitting he knew and saying that he did properly report it. If that's true – and Courtney gets justice – that's an even better outcome!

And, for the record, that's the outcome that I hope happens. But I do want to say this:

Urban's claim is that he knew about it the whole time and reported it, but he said at media days (and again in a later press conference) that he had no knowledge of the incident whatsoever. I think most people here are going to take Urban at face value – despite him being on the record, in public, saying that he didn't know. 

Many of the same people who take Urban at face value here wouldn't believe Courtney unless Zach was actually in jail. And many of those people probably weren't as skeptical of the Bucknuts post as they were of Courtney or McMurphy's stories, either.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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ZeroDimension's picture

This won’t be popular but it’s true unfortunately..  I have been an OSU fan for over 46 years and I can assure you that it is a small minority, but a vocal minority unfortunately... and more unfortunately ... there are worthless pieces of shit that only see any issue from a always predictable OSU is 100 percent correct perspective. 

And in the in the case it is osu vs osu they will side with. Who impacts the on field product least.  

But the Majority of OSU fans are not that minority.  And. As someone who loves OSU and can prove it with my life, I can be critical of OSU wrong doings with out hating them. Unfortunately the vocal minority can never admit this.. and I trying to defend osu they end up making it look worse.    

One Shoe

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SilvioDante's picture

No, honestly, I won't.

Because his letter says that he reported it, which means the higher powers decided she was not credible. The Powell PD apparently do not believe she is credible.

She went on a media car wash to drag urban and other innocent families through her shit storm. The criticism she is receiving and will receive is fair and due.

Urban is guilty of lying.

Zach is guilty of much worse.

Courtney lies somewhere in between and it's not good. She does not get a free pass.

"Tina, you fat lard, come get some DINNER!... Tina, eat. Food. Eat the FOOD!"

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BayCountyBuck's picture

Let's withhold judgment until we see some more evidence. We now have a statement, presumably prepared with the assistance of counsel, that refutes some of the allegations and alleges proper reporting protocols were followed while admitting that media days were a complete F up. 

When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer

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SilvioDante's picture

She went on a smear campaign of Meyer on the believe he didn't report it, guess what toots? He did!

So what the the fuck is Brett Mcmurphy's piece all about?! Nothing! Urban did everything right! He lied to a bunch of coattail grabbing media members. Guess what? So did Courtney!

"Tina, you fat lard, come get some DINNER!... Tina, eat. Food. Eat the FOOD!"

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booj's picture

we have no corroboration that he reported it (yet)

it'd be astonishingly stupid to release this statement without having actually reported it, but i'm going to extend the same skepticism to meyer's claims as I did to courtney's. i don't know these people and I won't vouch for character of people I don't know.

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OHBoy74's picture

True, but it should be easy to confirm.  If he's shown lying on that claim, almost no one will believe him on anything else and he'd almost definitely have to be shown the door.

Haters gonna hate and Bert is gonna Bert.

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booj's picture

now that i've seen that zach is saying that gene smith knew and personally called him about it, i'm wondering how courtney *didn't* know about it.

when your boss's boss calls you into his office and asks you if you're beating your wife, that's the type of thing that tends to come up, even in a contentious, toxic (possible abusive) relationship.

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McGrind's picture

while we may suspect many untrue statements...so far the only confirmed liar is urb...either hue did know or he didn’t...both statements can’t be tru

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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Clinger76's picture

This is why we havent heard McButtmunch since!

"If you take no risks, you will suffer no defeats, But if you take no risks, you will earn no victories."

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SaltyD0gg's picture

I won't bash her because I simply don't know the facts. However, the part of this that has always rubbed me the wrong way regarding her story is that she says her own parents told her to bury it. Who does that?

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

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schwab's picture

I'm gonna type no comment, with actually a lot of comments I could type, but I won't... and it has nothing to do with you yourself Salty, it's the other angle I won't comment on lol

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BAJ's picture

No, she has become a media whore. She is now a public figure and open to ridicule. You don't know the bucknuts post was shit, what if it turns out to be true. That Zach Smith interview is going to be quite interesting

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TheBadOwl's picture

You don't know the bucknuts post was shit, what if it turns out to be true. 

The Bucknuts post said that the photos were from 2010.

The phone that she is holding in the photos wasn't released until 2014.

Unless you're really personally invested in Zach Smith's future, there's really no reason to attack Courtney when you could just let the justice system figure it out, as they are currently doing. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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bdbrown66's picture

The phone that she is holding in the photos wasn't released until 2014.

Um...so what?  I have pics on my phone that were taken long before my phone was made.  For one reason, that's why I have a microSD card, so I can move pics and other stuff from phone to phone when I upgrade.  Or they can be stored online.  Or whatever.

Not saying the pics were taken in 2010 or 2015, just that your statement isn't valid.

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TheBadOwl's picture

Um...so what?  I have pics on my phone that were taken long before my phone was made.

No, like, she's holding the phone in the photo. In the mirror. The phone that she is holding – that is physically in the photo – wasn't released until 2014. Meaning that unless she's a time traveler or works for Apple's research department, the photos weren't taken until at least 2014. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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benjgc's picture

I wish I could upvote this 1,000 times.

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OSU_JD's picture

No thank you.

Seriously, there is nothing wrong with dissecting her story.  DV is an extremely strong allegation and her evidence is very weak. 

Sorry, but her story makes no sense. I am going to continue speaking the truth rather than bend to your feelings.

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BuckeyeBurrows's picture

Thank you for saying this so eloquently.

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bakerjon's picture

So much This 

Boy, I got vision and the rest of the world wears bifocals! - Butch Cassidy

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brunstar's picture

You are allowed to criticize people, this is America.

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stpetebuck's picture

I’ve said repeatedly she may very well be a victim. But who takes a screen shot of a text from a person responding to you out of sympathy(mrs Meyers) the day it’s sent?  

“Thanks for kind words Shelly (...click)  I will burn you with this text later beeeyotch.”

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Kangarooman's picture

Lol that's exactly what i was thinking. With "friends" like that who needs enemies?

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Buckeyeman's picture

We are with you coach.

Go Bucks

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SilvioDante's picture

Fuck yeah Urban!

What's up Gene?! What's up BoT?!

"Tina, you fat lard, come get some DINNER!... Tina, eat. Food. Eat the FOOD!"

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

HELL YES!  FREE URBAN!!!  RIP McMurphy

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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northernchild's picture

Is this the “4:30 announcement” or just coincidence?

for best results, read everything i write in italics

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JTstan16's picture

THAT'S MY COACH! EAT IT MCMURPHY.

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SilverState's picture
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"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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SilverState's picture
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"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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TheBadOwl's picture

This is Urban more or less confirming McMurphy's report, though.

McMurphy said that Urban knew. Urban is now saying that Urban knew.

How was McMurphy wrong, exactly? 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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DibbleDabble's picture

HIT THE ROAD OWL

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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TheBadOwl's picture

Nah I'm good. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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HYI3RID's picture

McMurphy got one side and only one side of the story. He then went on multiple "news" outlets and speculated what he thought Urban knew but then had to admit he had no proof. He is attempting to ruin people's lives in order to get his name out there and get pats on the back from the D-bags over at ESPN. You think this story is helping Zach Smith's wife? You think this story is helping anybody? GTFO bro

Vires Et Honestas

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TheBadOwl's picture

 He is attempting to ruin people's lives in order to get his name out there and get pats on the back from the D-bags over at ESPN.

He is already a widely-respected CFB reporter.

He does not work for ESPN.

He was not trying to ruin Urban's life.

McMurphy got one side and only one side of the story.

It takes two to tango. He tried to get OSU to comment on the story the previous week about the 2015 incident and they gave him a no comment. It was a development to the existing story, Ohio State had acknowledged it. I'm sure he tried to get them to update their statement but at that point he is under no obligation to withhold publication until he hears from both sides. If that was the case, nobody would ever be able to publish anything.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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HYI3RID's picture

Widely respected by who? There are very few reporters or media outlets I respect. 

I never said he worked for ESPN. Simply said he was trying to get pats on the back by being on ESPN and speculating. Congrats on the strawman argument.

He was trying to ruin Urban's life. He obviously has an axe to grind with tOSU as he is the same reporter who brought us the groundbreaking tattoo gate. If he wasn't trying to ruin Urban's life what was his purpose? To help Courtney??? Please!

You're taking the side of a sleezy reporter over the university based off of hear say and circumstantial evidence. Let it play out. 

Evidence based reporting over propaganda. Zach Smith is a horrible human being. But Zach Smith isn't a big enough story for McMurphy.

Vires Et Honestas

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Extramedium's picture

He was on TV all day saying Urban protected and enabled an abuser.  That's good enough for me.

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PapaBucks's picture

Maybe the part where he said Meyer didn't do anything with the info? 

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Thundermoose87's picture

Come on, man. McMurphy thought he smelled the next Baylor story. No way he goes to all the trouble of interviewing Courtney, setting up a tv interview for her with his future employer (which was released fully edited a few hours after the first report-convenient), and appearing on ESPN (something that I’m sure he hates) just to get Urban to say he knew. He wanted this to be the watergate of his career. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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bd2999's picture

No reason not to believe him, but if confirmed the University wasted a ton of time forming a committee for something they could have reviewed in short order. 

He should not be fired, resign or even punished if the University screwed the pootch. 

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BrutusB's picture

They needed to form a committee regardless. There’s going to be a ton of criticism regardless of if they fire him or say he’s all clear. But in either case they can’t just have his boss doing the investigation, they need it to be Very formal and with a bunch of paperwork. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is correct.  Also, perhaps Meyer did what he was supposed to, but that might not be the end of the analysis.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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andretolstoy's picture

Almost pooped. I thought it was a resignation letter. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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tampabuckeye20's picture

Hahaha so did I. What a rollercoaster that minute was....

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shiloh's picture

Pretty sure the title would have just said ~ Meyer Resigns!

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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Makinggeorgiahowl's picture

Right there with you. Was in a meeting when a friend sent me a screenshot of the statement. no clue what the rest of the meeting was about...

War is the remedy our enemies have chosen, and I say let us give them all they want.

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getcristylove's picture

So he knew, reported it, but didn’t fire him at that time?  

So many questions…

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Buckeye_in_OK's picture

As long as he did his part and followed proper protocol,  then this may result in someone getting fired,  just not Urban.

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BAJ's picture

Fire him for what? She isn't credible, Powell police deemed that so. Fire a guy over allegations without proof? Not a chance in hell

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OSU_JD's picture

if her claim is unsubstantiated (again - no arrest or conviction despite investigation), then how can you fire him?

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Well... they did, so something must have stuck.

Pain of Discipline

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tcm1968's picture

Because it's right there in his letter... His core values should never waver.... he knew about 2009 and now he says he knew about 2015... he basically saying his wife texts are true which means they knew he was a bad guy.. it's not about the courts.. it's about removing a bad guy from your program.. he most likely strayed from his core values because of Earle.. probably did what he thought was best for the Grandson of his mentor instead of just sticking to his core values... you really think if a player had multiple instances of potential DV he'd still be on the team?

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OSU_JD's picture

You keep assuming your own argument.  You have decided Zach is a "bad guy".  Based on what?  He's not been convicted of anything, and the only thing you have is her side (and now his, where he denies everything). 

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getcristylove's picture

Agreed… Just trying to understand why he wasn’t fired. Would love to know that information. Hopefully, it all comes out.

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Extramedium's picture

He wasn't fired because he was not arrested or charged with anything and it was just her word against his.  Why is this so difficult?

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getcristylove's picture

But, it seems there had been a pattern of this behavior. And I’m pretty sure we all know that there don’t have to be charges filed for firing to occur. Just looking for more information to come out.

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KINGBUCKEYE419's picture

If he reported it as he said in the letter. All Good in Da Hood baby!

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Basically, didn't do anything to merit firing, complied with contractual obligations (maybe even ones that weren't in his contract at the time). 

Did lie to the media despite preaching honesty, though certainly a gray area but regrets the decision nonetheless. 

Unsure what this means with regards to what he thought Zach Smith did and whether or not he should have been fired years ago and if that indicated hypocrisy or just insufficient evidence to act. 

At the end of the day, doesn't look like he'll be fired to me.

Also, released at 4:22 pm on a Friday lol. 

I don't feel too bad about this. Let's focus on camp now.

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Major H's picture

I don't feel too bad about this. Let's focus on camp now.

BLUF = Bottom Line Up Front!  +1 

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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BiznessTime's picture

Whether this statement checks out or not, answer me this: Why wasn't Zach Smith fired a long time ago?

I like Urban and want him to survive this, but Smith remaining on the staff is tough to justify.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Earle Bruce, Earle Bruce, and recruiting. 

He certainly wasn't staying on because of Zone 6's stellar and consistent play. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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Buckeye Scottie's picture

Because there still isn't definitive proof of what happened in that household.  What if Courtney was the aggressor in each case? I have no idea, but it is a possibility.  Again, you fire the guy with no 'real' cause, you get a wrongful termination suit.  The welts on forearms COULD be from being restrained.  If she was wailing on Zach, his defense is to grab/hold the wrists/forearms. Again, not saying that is what happened, no one yet knows what happened.  I am simply offering a POSSIBILITY of why he wasn't fired a long time ago.  Hard to prove a fireable offense with no concrete evidence from police etc.

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OSU_JD's picture

What can you prove Smith did wrong?  PROVE being the key word.

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BrutusB's picture

But you don’t really need to PROVE anything like it’s a court of law. Lane Kiffin has never broken any laws. But if an assistant is causing headaches you axe them because it’s not worth the trouble. Urban should have done that a long time ago, regardless of how this turns out. 

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Extramedium's picture

He wasn't in the headlines until May 2018.  And then he was fired. 

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buckslan's picture

No cause to fire him. He's never been convicted of anything until May of this year for criminal trespassing (which Meyer fired him over)

In other words, Meyer has always done his due diligence.

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DibbleDabble's picture

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

Sounds reasonable enough in this statement.

I just can't imagine what the hell was he thinking at Big Ten Media Days when he denied any knowledge. 

"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."

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aj99's picture

I don't think he denied knowledge...I think he denied that there was anything there.  People heard "I don't know anything about something in 2015."  Urban said there's nothing there.  I don't know of anything there...meaning "I looked into it passed, it on up, and they looked into it and there's nothing there."  And there wasn't anything there because the records were sealed.

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BrutusB's picture

He went farther than that though. “Who would write something like that” is basically accusing the writer of inventing the story, when he knew very well where it came from. Its entirely possible he handled the Zach Smith situation approximately BUT ALSO fucked up his Media Day interview. 

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aboynamedtracy's picture

Now we're getting somewhere. I agree the press conference was bungled, but I don't take that statement as an accusation it was fabricated, I think it was more of an arrogant attitude that someone would have the audacity to suggest there was something then that Urban didn't properly address.

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aj99's picture

I agree with most of what you say there.  But I don't think was wrong or incorrect for Meyer to say that.  I actually think it's sort of good that, "hey, you're crazy to write these things, because you don't understand the whole picture."  McMuffin took the bait and raised the bet.  And it's not going to end well for him.

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aboynamedtracy's picture

Everyone should try to grasp this please. Thanks, was going to articulate the same thought till I saw you beat me to it.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Should have said no comment at the time imstead.

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XBrax1's picture

If he moved it up the chain then there is zero reason for him to be fired.  

Stop abandoning the running backs.

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Kangarooman's picture

He lied. Or at least was misleading. I dont think he should get any punishment, but i bet he'll get 1-3 game suspension to appease the mob.

Cant wait to talk football again. Go Bucks.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Only thing left is for Gene Smith to grow his fucking balls back and reunite Urban with the team

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dc215833's picture

If Urban reported,then Gene is the one in deep ****

D

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Commodore's picture

U could be right. Or, they found nothing happened worthy of discipline 

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BrutusB's picture

This is above Genes paygrade at this point. The BOT is all over this. 

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Darnell's picture

Except it is probably Drake making any calls at this point, and they probably won't do anything until the committee presents its full findings.

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BucksHave7's picture

Let’s Go Bucks!!!!  

BucksHave7

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jpfbucks01's picture

Let me be the first to say "at this point there is no proof he did what he just said", but assuming there is proof then he will be back and perhaps someone in the AD office will be gone.

The trail still needs flushed out on this. He told who exactly, then who did that person tell ie what actions if any were taken.

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northernchild's picture

Agreed, it also becomes infinitely worse if he lied in this statement.

for best results, read everything i write in italics

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aj99's picture

Nope.  I'm telling you there is going to be a long report of what they did to look into this and it's not going to be good for the alleged victim.  He passed this on to Gene who passed it on to title ix who looked into it and said one or both of the following.  Something happened but the record is sealed.  And it's not our baby because it's not title ix.

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Skunk bear blood's picture

UFM....... Yes!  Amazing he reached out to the Buckeye Nation in such a manor.  Major dude right there.

#POPPYSTRONG

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DibbleDabble's picture

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

Fuck 'em up, Urban. Fuck 'em up!

Don Brown must've attended night school, because he got owned by Day.

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

Mic drop

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

I Believe In Ohio State.

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aj99's picture

Yep.  Let's do football and get some more haters on the hatin wagon.

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

Why accept a suspension - even a paid one - if you reported information when you knew of it?  That doesn't make sense.  The university is the one that should be coming out and saying Urban reported, and should have done so instead of suspending.  Now it makes me wonder what the university is hiding.

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DCBuckeye33's picture

Probably didnt want to be a distraction to the team starting camp. Step away, let the university investigate and see all the proof you did the right thing, be exonerated, and come back. 

GO BUCKS

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booj's picture

i also expect that this entire incident is a somewhat foggy memory for him. i'm guessing he had to check his own notes/emails to make sure he really did pass things along. We're all parsing some very specific text language, but this was three years ago. Off the top of your head, do you remember what you were working on three years ago? I barely remember what company I was working for, let alone what meetings I attended or what emails I sent.

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EarleFan's picture

BOOM! Hey ESPN...You suck at life!

"I didn't get a harrumph outta that guy!"

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Buckets At Fletcher's's picture

That's not all they suck

"Everyone has a plan, 'til they get punched in the mouth."

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CincyOSU's picture

What does ESPN have to do with this that is any different than EVERY other sports media outlet.

Don't you mean to say, hey ESPN and SI and FoxSports and CBS Sports and Yahoo and every other sports media outlet? That must be what you meant, right?

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Bucksknowwhatitis's picture

Hell yeah urban. He sounds confident, he sounds truly sorry and he seems prepared. I’m happy. I think he wants this job. 

The Future is Bright at Ohio State

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Strong, strong statement. Assuming he reported it to OSU, I wonder what their obligations are at that point. Does anyone know?

Pain of Discipline

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DibbleDabble's picture

Uhh... is Gene Smith in some serious trouble....?

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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OSU_JD's picture

I hope so.  I'll try to spare a tear for him. 

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Extramedium's picture

Not if there was nothing proving Zach abused her aside from her accusations.  Meyer is not the police, Gene Smith is not the police.  If there is nothing for them to go on except her word, what are they supposed to do?  As long as they all followed protocol they are in the clear as far as their responsibilities.

This is not victim blaming, this is the truth - if Courtney had pressed charges long ago and Zach was arrested, he would have been fired a long time ago.

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Jeff is a passionate guy's picture

GOOD for URBAN!

People like a fighter!

Stand up for yourself, or everybody will walk all over you. Don’t roll over when you know the truth, especially for the faux outraged media.

[Comment edited for not following the commenting policy on politics

My gut is that Gene Smith fumbled the situation again. 

I’m Jeff, and I approve this message.

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Extramedium's picture

Are you able to have a conversation without bringing your political opinions into it? 

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

If you want to talk politics, it has to be about DJ, otherwise, please see commenting policy.

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

That slanderous article on ESPN's cfb page "As society has evolved, Urban Meyer hasn't"  needs to be removed ASAP!

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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Jeff is a passionate guy's picture

FUCK ESPiN!

... and F the know-nothing beotch who wrote that shit! Who the F is she!, lecturing Urban and .

I’m Jeff, and I approve this message.

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Thundermoose87's picture

Can’t agree with this more! Absolute garbage. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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CincyOSU's picture

Is that any different than what EVERY other sports outlet has published the last two days? Why aren't you calling for their heads as well?

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

Cincy, I don't have any problem with ESPN the network, or the fact that they publish articles on Ohio State.  I'm not one of those people that think ESPN hates OSU.  My problem is with that one article only.  It is slanderous in my opinion.

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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CincyOSU's picture

That's a fair take, but why not just call out the author of the article?

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booj's picture

agreed, you're going to do more damage naming the reporter than taking on ESPN/Disney.

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Darnell's picture

It takes more than just an author to publish a piece on a platform as large as ESPN.

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CincyOSU's picture

Ok, so that same logic must also apply to SI, BTN, Yahoo, Fox, CBS, etc. Why aren’t you outraged by what they have said? They have all been just as critical, if not more so,  of OSU and Meyer as ESPN. 

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Darnell's picture

I didn't say I was outraged by anything ESPN or anyone else has said regarding the situation.  I was simply referring to the previous comment about the specific article on ESPN and that there is more than one person that allows/enables anything on their platform. You seem to easily group everyone in the "Everyone hates ESPN, but they're not the only ones doing it group."  Do you work for them or something?

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

Know what? Look at ESPN right now. The headline is just that Meyer admits failing about the 2015 allegation. Nothing in the headline that he actually reported in 2015 which is what they had been lambasting him for.  THAT is an agenda.

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martin anderson's picture

Question is, does he have proof that he told others? If so, then the ball is in someone else's court. Hopefully ,he was smart enough to save the texts, e-mails, certified letters, etc

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Anglefan's picture

Of course he does. This statement was obviously approved by his lawyer. Zero chance he makes the statement without being able to back it up. 

I am very proud of our coach. 

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script-ohio's picture

Where I sit today, I don't feel like he should be fired or forced out.  I know everyone thinks "Of course a Buckeye fan would say that" but I'm really not one to be a homer like that.  We still have more to learn before this over, however, so things can certainly change.  But right now I, like Urban, look forward to his return.

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elitesmithie's picture

Both statements could be true. He heard of incidents. They checked and they couldn't find a police report plus ZS denied anything. Cut to 2018 and someone claims there are police reports and he wonders why someone would make it up when they checked it out.

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SilverState's picture

^^

"There's still some green showing before you see the chalk."

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EZE's picture

Well put. Media still saying he flat-out lied to media. I think what he said about 2015 was really poorly said and too off-the-cuff. Urban admitted that.

Why be around average? -UFM

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GlenBuck's picture

I hope he is in the clear, but he still has to explain why he has kept a domestic abuser on his staff for so long, or someone needs to prove that Zach Smith isn't a domestic abuser.  

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

There's not a good explanation, is the problem. The "I was obligated to Earle Bruce" thing can only go so far. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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aj99's picture

Come on man.  People keep thinking that Urban and the university knew everything that was going on.  First, Smith has never been found guilty of abusing his wife.  Second, Urban doesn't know everything.  TOSU doesn't know everything.  They only know what people tell them.  The Smiths were not telling them everything.  The Smiths were literally trying to hide this from them. 

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Extramedium's picture

Seriously man.  The police did nothing. Courtney didn't press charges.  Records were sealed in order to keep details from Zach's employers and protect his job.  Do you really want Meyer to fire people based on accusations alone?

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DibbleDabble's picture

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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BucksHave7's picture

Nice. How did you get a pic of Urban and this January’s trophy already?

BucksHave7

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buckslan's picture

His iphone 5 is a time traveling device, or so I've been told.

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jbuck85's picture

Bottom line, if he would have thought about things, and had good advisors, he would have read a prepared statement at the B10 meetings and taken 0 questions. They had a format from MSU and Dantonio from January they could have followed, except I wouldn't have allowed two questions like MSU did, unless they were scripted. This would have made most of this a non-issue.

jvanbucki

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dc215833's picture

In other later news, we find out McMurphy did in fact pay for the story, lol. 

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BucksHave7's picture

I just wish there was a sentence in the end of the letter that said btw  F—k ESPN and Brett McMurphy.

BucksHave7

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Jeff is a passionate guy's picture

#FreeUrban

#FireGene

I’m Jeff, and I approve this message.

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ITWASME's picture

Hell yes Urban! Waiting for the truth to the come and wash away all the lies that have been spewed

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AcrossTheField11's picture

Guys on 97.1 saying this is the nail in urbans coffin and that this is just him getting in front of everything, restoring his reputation, and getting his $$$.

Time and change will surely show how firm they friendship... O-HI-O.

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BucksHave7's picture

I don’t get that. His dagger was he knew and didn’t report.  He did report.  

BucksHave7

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Mfryer2's picture

While it certainly could or could not be, the guys on 97.1 are largely clueless.

"In times of difficulty, those brave enough to stay the course will still be inferior to Ohio State in the end" -Bo Schembechler

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

Whether right or wrong, I am done with Common Man. He is being the media jerk he claims to hate. It is not that he disagrees with my opinion but it is his attitude. He is almost enjoying this. 

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TJG32's picture

Listen to 105.7 The Zone during that time slot. They actually talk sports. 

TG Proud Buckeye alumnus.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

I have tuned into them the other day as well as today. It doesn't seem to me that these guys are being very objective and haven't from the get go. I know that radio guys are certainly playing radio and are certainly arrogant asses. The other day they put out there that the University would wait till THEY were off the air to put out a statement!?!? As though they were concerned about what The Common Man will have to say about all this. Stupid!

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Dirty419Boy's picture

I get their argument that this could be about Urban setting the stage to sue them for his contract money. The reality is much more likely these 97.1 media whores are throwing shit against the wall to keep themselves relevant.

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

Can't wait to see the disappointment over at MGo

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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SaltyD0gg's picture

And everywhere else. I had a guy gloat on a work call about it. He was giddy and asked how sad Columbus was that Urban had been fired. The rest of the country is already dancing on his grave. Can't wait for his return and subsequent destruction of all comers this year. When you come at the king, you best not miss.

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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jbuck85's picture

By the way he is getting excellent advice now, his statement regarding not intending to mislead is perfect and can't be disputed. He is the only one in his own mind, a statement that can't be clearly contested. Well done.

jvanbucki

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tcm1968's picture

He'll still have to pay a penalty for having an Earle Bruce blindspot. Smith should not have been hired in 2012 and should have been fired in 2015. If he did run it up the chain of command in 2015 probably going to be more than just Urban that pays a price.. He's the head football Coach and the hires and fires are up to him. 

Sidenote... bet $$$$ they settled with Courtney Smith.. Her case is extended and we haven't heard a peep out of her and now Urban releases a statement.. seems like a clear payout NDA... 

Go Bucks!

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OSU_JD's picture

Agree. I believe the case was moved so OSU could NDA both Smiths. 

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buckeye4life03's picture

I'm sorry to say, but Urban is done.  He just released a statement that is not in collaboration with anyone at OSU.  This tells me OSU was preparing to let him go.  I so deeply hope I am wrong.

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

But why would he say he looks forward to rejoining the team soon if he is leaving?

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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Buckeyes17's picture

What? This is a good thing. He is now guilty of .. lying to the media. Oh well. Don't care.

"Khajiit has wares if you have the coin."

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buckeye4life03's picture

I completely agree he is guilty of nothing, who gives a shit that he lied to the media?  We all know the media is so truthful (sarcastic voice).  I just don't see why he releases a statement with out OSU leaders being involved, unless he felt he was about to be let go. We all know OSU is extremely powerful, do really think they are worried about paying a 40 million dollar buyout?  They are more worried about the brand and the overall image, and if they felt it was being muddied, they make the problem go away.  

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Knarcisi's picture

He releases it 1) to get ahead of it and 2) to cease the media slander barrage against him and his family, 3) to put public pressure on the investigation committee to get through this expeditiously and get him back on the field well ahead of the opener. 

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McGrind's picture

Watch the video...does it bother anybody how good Urb is at lying?

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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Extramedium's picture

He didn't lie, he said he didn't know about any police report in 2015, which there wasn't.

If he lies about reporting the incident and doesn't have any kind of proof, no one will ever believe anything he says ever again.  I really don't think he or his lawyer are that stupid.

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Thundermoose87's picture

He’s on paid administrative leave...he can’t be in collaboration with anyone at OSU. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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Extramedium's picture

You're assuming it was put out without talking to anyone at OSU. You can bet he did and it was approved.  Believe it or not, OSU wants to keep one of the best CFB coaches in history on their staff.

But OSU can't put their name officially a document like that while there is a supposedly impartial investigation going on.  It's not hard 

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Mfryer2's picture

This is great news. Despite the media feeling they are very important, nobody else gives a fuck about them.

"In times of difficulty, those brave enough to stay the course will still be inferior to Ohio State in the end" -Bo Schembechler

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Gmac44135's picture

If Urban is in the clear, I hope Gene Smith is forced to Resign because of this. I still feel he should have been let go after the Jim Tressel situation, and this incident just adds to it.

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Knarcisi's picture

Urban got smart and lawyered up. 

Bye bye, Gene. Bye bye. 

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klynne85's picture

He looks forward to rejoining his team soon, why say that if he is on his way out? No cover up, not fired. Someone failed above him, not his fault. Let him get to camp and let's start preparing to win a NC!

Kellie Lynne

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aj99's picture

Why do people keep thinking someone at tOSU failed?  No one failed.  She was in an abusive relationship.  She chose to stay in an abusive relationship.  She chose to not press charges.  She chose to seal records.  No one at tOSU failed.  Everyone seems to have bought into the idea that tOSU was supposed to do something about this, but they weren't.  Zach and Courtney failed.  Those are the only people who failed.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

If I'm following the facts, there were allegations made in 2015. Urban reported those allegations. OSU would have looked into them and made a determination. If there wasn't subsequent evidence to prove DV, then no one else at OSU is in the wrong either. Right?

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

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bdbrown66's picture

^^^ This.  If she's not gonna pull up her big-girl panties, and the cops aren't going to take action, not much OSU can do about it.

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bucks4nuts's picture

Well the pm folks on 971 r absolutely on the same boat as all week 

"To The House"

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goodlifesean's picture

CM and T-Bone, I'm pretty sure ate paint chips as children

Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.

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40 Degrees North's picture

They got dunked by Urban and Zach by Zach going on 105.7 with Matt McCoy and Stan Jackson. Of course they are pissed!

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BuckeyeStevo's picture

I highly doubt he would make this statement if he didn't have proof.  He's probably lawyered up pretty well and doubt this is a statement he mae without legal eyes looking it over.  Social media is out of control and lynching people without a single fact.  Now it's going to social media asking him to be fired because Urban keot Zach on as a coach.  All is all, I am pretty happy we are getting our coach back!!!  GO BUCKS! 

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11UrbzAndSpices's picture

I hope this means everything will work out, I wouldn't want to have to make up a new username

#DayOne #ItsANewDay #HereOneDayGoneSchiano

If you laugh, you think, and you cry, that's a full day. That's a heck of a day. You do that seven days a week, you're going to have something special.

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Toledoan's picture

Yea and I seriously DO NOT want to have to change my profile pic. #Priorities 

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Buckeyeinsc's picture

Fighting the good fight in SEC country. "Our honor defend"

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Listen. The only thing that will satisfy the media is if Meyer is fired and osu puts itself on sanctions. 

No matter what osu does they will be killed by someone in the media. So screw them all. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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dc215833's picture

OSU doesn't need to put themselves on sanctions, none of this is ncaa sanctioned. 

D

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tcm1968's picture

Media doesn't care if he's fired... they care because it's a story that generates clicks... if he's retained they'll have stories about how OSU did the right thing and stories about how he did the wrong thing.. If he's let go they'll have stories about how OSU did the right thing and stories about how OSU screwed him over.. Media almost never has an agenda. The agenda is money/page clicks..

I work in the media.. almost every thing these days is algorithm driven. Doesn't make it an awesome practice but that's what it is these days.. Software tells you what is getting clicks and what pieces to write to match those clicks.. typical editor runs the software and then says " I need 2000 words on why OSU is doing the right thing"... 

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elitesmithie's picture

Thats not true. If we are being honest a large chunk of the media won't be happy until all collegiate sports as we know it are gone and football is also gone as well. As far as this incident goes they won't be satsfied until the next "BIG STORY" comes up and we go 24/7 into it without having all the facts. Remember when Izzo was the devil and should be fired? Exactly.

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NOLABuckeye's picture

Yes!

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

GIVE ME MY FUCKING HEAD FOOTBALL COACH BACK NOW

ps...maybe everyone breathe a little bit next time, eh?

"It's so easy to be average...to HELL WITH THAT" - Urban Meyer

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wilkins0802's picture

Truth & Courage, 1-17IN, 5/2 SBCT

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

This gif made me LOL at work.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Major H's picture

It's after 5 on a Friday! GO HOME!

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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jbuck85's picture

He reported the 2015 incident = no problem with him, higher up the chain of command. As I have said in other threads regarding Smith, no official police investigation in 2015, no arrest. In 2009 according to Meyer, Courtney apparently lied about the incident.

jvanbucki

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dc215833's picture

I'm telling you I think Gene Smith has something to do with this and he didn't do his job and Urban finally had to say it's me or you. If urban has his proof, its off him. I'm telling you something doesn't sound right with above urban.

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j2gobucks's picture

Hindsight is 20/20, so here goes:

1) I wish Urban had never hired Zack Smith based on the Florida non-sense.  Maintain his relationship with him, keep trying to help him and Courtney?  sure.  But without hiring Smith at tOSU in 2012.  Pretty clear ZS and his ex are both not stable people with deep issues.  

2) I wish he had fired him in 2015 when the allegations were leveled - while we have only seen the ex's side, at some point you have to realize this is NOT going to end well. 

3) I wish he had just admitted at the Media Days that he probably should have let ZS go earlier based on his values, but there were conflicting stories and no charges ever filed, we will learn and move on, E+R=O, etc, etc, etc..

None of that happened, and here they are.  I personally dont give a flip that he lied to the media - terrible optics, fans the flames of the press, especially an idiot jobless reporter with an ax to grind and a willing victim to tie (however loosely) to Urban.  I hope this isnt the end of Urbans run at tOSU, but I wouldnt be surprised if this is him fighting back against a "for cause" termination...

Everything that happens-good and bad-should motivate you to be persistent. ~JT

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DibbleDabble's picture

LOOKING AT YOU GENE

 

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

My guess is a three game suspension for the big ten garbage presser and donating part of his salary to domestic violence charities 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Knarcisi's picture

Nope. No suspension. He’s back within 2 weeks. 

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Thundermoose87's picture

I think if they just had him give a donation to a Dokestic Violence foundation and maybe have an emphasis day with the players it’d all be fine. 

It sounds like he did everything he was supposed to do except prepare more for the line of questioning he should have seen coming. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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EZE's picture

So relieved to hear from Urban finally. Switched my profile pic in support. I trust in Urban. Now to just wait for the return to normalcy!

Why be around average? -UFM

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

So did he just throw Gene Smith under the bus?

Edit: Or is Gene Smith laying on the sword for Urban?

Why dont I feel any better about this?

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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tcm1968's picture

For all we know he could have passed it on to one person and the whole thing died there and never made it to Gene's desk.. until we know more no way to tell what Gene did or didn't know.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Hard to say, since Gene is apparently never going to speak again regardless of how much news the Athletic Department makes. 

But if people are suggesting now that it's Gene's fault for not firing Zach Smith himself in 2015? How is that supposed to have worked?

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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OHBoy74's picture

Always felt he lied just because he wanted to move on to focus on football and not deal with a hot button issue like DV.  That is what it appears to be.  He lied to the media.  BFD.  If he did report, the only issue is the inevitable Twitter mob saying "Then why did you keep on a known abuser as a coach for 3 more years?".  The answer- "I didn't have complete knowledge of what transpired in their marriage.  I'm not the judge and jury, no arrest records, yadda, yadda, yadda."

Haters gonna hate and Bert is gonna Bert.

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Extramedium's picture

Exactly.  He wasn't a "known abuser." He was an accused abuser.  

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Zach smith interviewed...airing tonight on Espn’s sports center

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Man ESPN is such trash. What a trash company.

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t-dub's picture

this has more potential to make things worse than potential to make things better

"What is our aim, I can tell you in one word. Victory" Winston Churchill

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Thundermoose87's picture

If he reported it to his superiors correctly then it doesn’t matter. He fulfilled his moral and contractual obligations so drop it. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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Woody1967's picture

Stand for what you believe and never cower. UFM is a rock star. Take Smith and Drake down!!! 

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jbuck85's picture

Because you drink the media Kool-Aid.

jvanbucki

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Wyandot Buckeye Fan's picture

I'm glad Urban came out with this statement and clearing things up. And according to him he followed the proper procedures in 2015, good for him. Not being honest with the media isn't the worst thing that could happen, but still doesn't send a good message to his players. But people make far worse mistakes daily. I would say 2 or 3 game suspension and close the damn book on this topic.

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Buck-n-A's picture

Totally understand not wanting to discuss a marital issue with the press. Think of how much grief could have been avoided by just saying, "no comment".

Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.

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ELJTSA76's picture

Doesn’t sound like someone who is afraid of an investigation. I like it!

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Brohio's picture

FREE THIS FUCKING MAN RIGHT NOW. NOT NOW BUT RIGHT THE FUCK NOW! 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Great job apologizing. Mistake made. Apology accepted. Reinstate Urban and move on.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Great job apologizing. Mistake made. Apology accepted. Reinstate Urban and move on.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Great job apologizing. Mistake made. Apology accepted. Reinstate Urban and move on.

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Brohio's picture

You can say that again! and Again!

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NHBuckeye's picture

BOOM!   great entrance into the weekend.  About ready for a cold one. 

Fields of Dreams

 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Zach smith will be on 105.7 in Columbus at 5:10

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Tooth55's picture

So he reported the incident to the higher ups which we have to assume would take it to title IX who investigated a sealed file that Courtney herself said they sealed to save Zach’s job found nothing and moved on until he screwed up recently. I don’t see where the university is liable for anything at this point especially if the protocol was followed the way he said. Just my thoughts O H

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IBleedSandG's picture

FREE URB!!! LETS GOOOO!

#GrindFor9

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Rocket Man's picture

I wonder who he reported it to.

And if the school knew, now does the program get gigantic Title IX sanctions?

Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege. 
Tyrion: A wedding. 
Varys: Exactly.

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LCT's picture

Exactly. This is potentially catastrophic.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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westcampus's picture

Exactly. OSU is so much bigger than Meyer. This could be a short-term victory but a disaster the mid to long term. Lots of coaches can beat Michigan, folks. We all talk about how easy that it is. Beating the NCAA? We've been down that road before...

As for those of you who don't think this involves Article IX, that's your problem

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wilkins0802's picture

From the way it was explained, Title IX is off the table with this not happening at the University or a OSU activity. Even though they knew, what do you really do when the evidence you receive all points at nothing? It makes more sense now why he was fired, because with the stuff from this past May, put legitimacy to the claim, whether real or not, it had legs, and then he was fired. I also just watched the Zach Smith interview on ESPN, and from what I can tell he's not lying. Not to fluff myself, but I have 15 years of interrogation experience, and I can tell you he wasn't lying.

Truth & Courage, 1-17IN, 5/2 SBCT

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Dillon G's picture

His quality of lie is vastly better than people like Bill Clinton. Then again, he wasn't hiding anything, so that might have made him seem so at ease.
 

#walkaway

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Crumb's picture

Tress fell on his sword and went quietly into the night. Urban is swinging his sword and if forced out will go down swinging and raising hell. Mad respect to both of them! OUR HONOR DEFEND WE WILL FIGHT TO THE END FOR O-HI-O!!

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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teddyballgame's picture

Good to hear that he did what he was supposed to do.  This is probably the only thing that would save him

Really a shame that he was unprepared to handle dicey questions at media days though.  Regrettable, sure, but not something to lose your job over

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adrianbuck's picture

great hearing something from THE MAN,first thing that come to mind    BOOM !   fuck espn , fuck rese davis,(when he gets off the sec dick,)   & fuck the media , read my lips   WE OWE YOU NOTHING.

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ncarmstrong's picture

FREE URB! Fire Harbaugh! Chicken is good for you!

Ncarmstrong

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

So he reports it, people look for the police report, it's sealed and Zach denies it. If half of what is being said about Courtney's behavior is accurate, not sure what ANYONE was supposed to do.

Fast Forward to 2018 and as soon as there is a documented incident in hand, Zach is fired.

I hate his comments at media day. Seems colossally stupid, but he did say he had people look into it and nothing was found - trouble is he said when he heard about it THE DAY BEFORE.

It felt better defending him when I didn't think he knew. His job might be safe, but his reputation as Urban Liar just grew wings. Damn.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

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Extramedium's picture

From what I understand there were many accusations against Smith. It sounded to me like Urban was saying he only heard of a 2015 official police report the day before.  Which makes sense since it was sealed.

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LCT's picture

This makes me feel a little better about Urban, but worse about the program's future. I think we're in big trouble.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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DibbleDabble's picture

please explain.
 

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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LCT's picture

Depends who Urban reported to & what they did with it. If it wasn't by the book we have a problem & now we're looking at a He Said, He Said between our head coach and the administration potentially.

You DVers are too knee jerk. It's a pro-Urban statement.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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blumski13's picture

Incredible how you could replace Urban with Paterno and Zach Smith with Sandusky in just about every post defending Urban and this looks like a PSU message board circa 2012 (save for a few dates and details) and you folks don't even realize it.

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BucksHave7's picture

Don’t get this? PSU has 4 of its leaders (LOL) serving federal prison sentences for 50+ felony convictions against children from a repeated and systematic cover up that spanned 25 years.  And JokePa would be in jail too right now. 

BucksHave7

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goodlifesean's picture

Are you serious accusations with a sealed police report vs massive child rape. Get off it.

Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.

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TkeBuck's picture

amen brother.

this isnt even apples to watermelons.

psu is systemic criminal act over decades...not one incident of unreported/reported spousal

abuse. if um is telling the truth, he'll lead the team into the shoe opening day!!!!!!!

jt

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LCT's picture

Dude.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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bdbrown66's picture

The comments may be the same, but the situations are vastly different.  We're dealing with a situation between adults here, adults who are free to act and take responsibility for their actions or lack thereof.  No one at OSU was diddling little boys in the shower.

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smith5568's picture

Thank you, Bdbrown. I have been trying to make this point. Some people just don't get it. 

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t-dub's picture

and...

The authorities were notified and investigated. This is as important as anything.  There does not seem to be any cover up.  The abuse did not (as far as I know) happen on campus.  The victim reported it to the appropriate authorities.  This really has nothing in common with the PSU incident other than there is a victim(s).

"What is our aim, I can tell you in one word. Victory" Winston Churchill

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Goodbye PSU troll

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Grisle's picture

Amazing that idiots like you draw parallel's between two situations that aren't remotely similar.

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Cool Hand Luke's picture

Right.  There's no difference between defenseless children being molested by a coach with the knowledge of the head coach.... and two grown adults who took a vow to love and honor each other and made adult decisions within their marriage resulting in violence.  I don't see how there is any way the two spouses didn't know each other to the point where it might not have been a good idea to get together.  Yet somehow people think Urban is some kind of "daddy/babysitter" to adults in their late twenties, who can tear his shirt open, show the "SC" for "Supercoach" and save the day as law enforcement, prosecutor, judge, and jury.  Yes this is exactly like Penn State.....the resemblance is like looking at "circumstantial twins".  Go home to your hate cellar!!!

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dubjayfootball90's picture

Doth ye troll?

You can feed a bobcat all the chili it wants. That don't mean it's going to crap out diamonds.

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libera's picture

Based on this statement which I am sure was approved by (and probably written by) Urban's lawyers, it is clear that he and his lawyers have the proof that Urban did follow the protocols of University and his contractual obligations as outlined in 2015. If so there are no reasons for termination or suspension. I feel good....actually, I never really felt worried.

libera

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buckeyenut74's picture

Just wish he would’ve said he notified the proper authorities and can’t comment further during the press conference. 

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sullie's picture

Down goes McMurphy, down goes McMurphy, down goes McMurphy!!!

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Piperdown's picture

If he reported the 2015 incident why did the university put him on leave?  They had to know he followed procedures.

Luck favors the prepared--Edna Mode

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

to separate urban from the team for a bit while the media shitstorm flies over. 

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Interesting. We have an intelligent and well spoken head coach. I will feel better when he answers 18 tough questions and when the university ends their investigation and reinstates him. Great statement and good news. More to follow.

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

I think Urban should survive this, now that it seems we have more of the facts of what he actually knew and did. His Big 10 presser was an absolute disaster, as he basically admitted here. He was unbelievably naive or ill-prepared to handle something that most here knew would be a big deal to handle correctly.

I am glad he reported the incident and I wish he had given this statement or something close to it at the BIG 10 press conference. This investigation will continue and hopefully what Urban said in his statement checks out. Still think Smith should have been fired in 2015 due to this, but its hard to say what facts Urban, Gene Smith, and Co knew or didn't know about the extent of Smith's behavior. This whole thing is a clustermuck of epic proportions to say the least. Also like to know how Gene Smith let Urban walk into that presser without having a solid statement to put out instead of just answering questions unprepared.

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BuckIDave's picture

I feel a lot better about Coach Meyer's future at OSU. Unfortunately there are some in the national media that want his head on a platter, even with his self-admission of handling the questions at B10 media days poorly. Will he still be disciplined despite following the proper protocols? Is his quick response by letter a fast track to getting back to coaching his football Buckeyes? Interested to see how the OSU administration and committee proceeds after this letter.

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buckeyenut74's picture

I’m done with 97.1, so I was listening to 610 and Dave Metzold is all over Utban. Your media types will all band together. 

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BUCKfutter's picture

i am stunned he was so ill-prepared, but i have been in his shoes before (albeit in much lower leverage situations) where being completely transparent in a public setting would have made my superiors look really, really, bad. i completely understand that part of this on urban's part.

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

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westcampus's picture

I'm alarmed by how many people on this site think this could be a step towards closure. This opens up a bigger can of worms than we already had.

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LCT's picture

Exactly right. Someone dropped the ball here. If it wasn't Urban, who was it? Gene? If so, that's even worse than if Urban had.

Here's another thing. UFM's making statements independent of the university. That's not "good."

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braneli's picture

It feels sincere but also calculated. This has OSU lawyers written all over it as well as over some of Zach's statements in his interviews. Or that's how it feels. I'm okay with it.

"You are confined only by the walls you build yourself."

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Extramedium's picture

They didn’t drop the ball if they investigated the allegations and found there were no charges filed and no police report (since it was sealed.) 

the OSU athletic department is not the police.

He’s releasing a statement independent of the school because he’s on paid leave and there is an investigation ongoing.   Can you imagine how it would look if the university signed his statement when they are supposedly conducting an investigation?  Come on people, turn off 97.1

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wojodta's picture

I agree with you, but the media doesn't seem to want to accept that conclusion.

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Clancy's picture

I am assuming that the way this is going to play out is that Urban reported the incident higher up the chain. When the investigation was done they found that court records were sealed. They could not find a proper way to remove Zack Smith so he remained employed. That is how I think it plays out anyway, but who knows.

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