Ohio State Board of Trustees Forms Independent Working Group To Lead Urban Meyer Investigation

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Mantis's picture

I feel like this is a good thing?  lol

Idk... no idea who these people are really. 

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LCT's picture

JAD's a 90-year old former speaker of the Ohio House who left office nearly 20 years ago.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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LawClub's picture

At least she shouldn't care about the politics of it then.

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TigerSweat's picture

^this

I hope regardless of outcome that they don't let politics decide it.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Ca114fire's picture

Unfortunately, politics has infested everything now days.

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Noahkat's picture

Yep. Someone said “domestic abuse” in the same sentence as UFM so we have to destroy him and his entire life’s work if only to virtue signal that we don’t like domestic abuse. Seems pretty reasonable. I’m gunna go start looting...

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SilverState's picture

Seems to makes tomorrow's bad news dump theory less likely

"Year for what?"

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Precisely my thought.

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

I've known Jo Ann for almost 30 years. Apparently, Goldie has a different impression than I do.

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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LCT's picture

She's fine. I guess somebody has to do it.

It's too bad Vern Riffe's not still around. Coulda been a dynamite Red-Blue combo.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

Now that's funny. Forgot all about that dude.

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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LCT's picture

The pride of New Boston. My grandma from Portsmouth hates that guy.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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TigerSweat's picture

I'm from Wheelersburg so it's safe to assume that I know that family well

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

I’m from Wheelersburg! Hope to see the Pirates get another state title this year! We Are The Burg!

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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TigerSweat's picture

Yes sir! I am a pirate myself. Graduated in 98. Played on some good squads back then too

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Meek's picture

Blech, burg = mich.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Meek's a West grad, FYI. Prolly too many Burg folks on here for his liking. He's good people though so we'll give him a pass ;)

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

Class of 03 for me, and I’m not worried about Meek’s comment. I’d be jealous too of our new shiny state championship rings!!

Meek, nothing is equal to “Mich.” There is nothing else in the world that can sink that low. Nothing. 

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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Meek's picture

I hated burg from birth through HS. Once I got to tOSU, mich is the only thing to eclipse that.

I'm hoping to recruit your artistic kids to the West Side since you guys are slashing the band budget. Payback for those athletes that have been stolen in the past.

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Ohio_Against_The_World's picture

We’ll trade all of our band kids for your 2 best athletes. ALL of them!.... and I don’t remember 1 kid from West transferring to Burg ever. So I don’t know who you owe a “payback” too. 

When in doubt... Muck Fichigan

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ScarletHarlot's picture

From the next county over! Haven't been back in ages.  Is Pop's Drive In stilll around?

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wyatt's picture

She'll be 91 years old next month. Was she around when the stadium was a cornfield?

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Homey1970's picture

Note quite but Hitler was just warming up and the Great Depression was right around the corner.

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BKallDAY's picture

 I agree , This is a move to take culpability off university.  If they decide to reinstate urban Meyer they have somebody to fall back on special panel to take the blame which is stacked with both men and women to remove the sexist card.  Just seems like a very political move here. 

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Mississippi_buck's picture

Lol free my guy.

If if was a fifth we'd all be drunk

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JTFor President2016's picture

So this at least proves it’s an investigation? And not just a buyout negotiation like some thought. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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buckslan's picture

It was always going to be an investigation. People just said it would be a buyout because that's usually what happens when someone is given paid administrative leave. OSU will keep Urban if they can.

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Yuman's picture

Absolutely they will keep him if possible. It’s Saban Sweeney and Meyer as the top coaches in the country. It isn’t possible to replace him. 

Rlc

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D-Day0043's picture

It’s not looking good, I felt that he may be able to pull through it yesterday, but after listening to all of the media outlets today, there is a pretty solid case against him at the moment and the evidence is pretty damning.

I really don’t see how he couldn’t have known about it, considering the coaches probably spend 60-70 hours a weeks together and all of the wives know each other, and Courtney Smith was telling people what was going on.

Urban had to have known. What I don’t understand is why would he keep Smith around?

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

D-Day, I agree that Urban knew, and I think Ramzy was right - everyone knew.

But, WHAT they knew is what changes everything. 

I think the Smiths had such a train wreck of a marriage that their weekly and daily fights were just eye rolling background noise. I think that's what everyone knew. 

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I've had more than one subordinate in those occasionally eye-rolling marriages. Thankfully, there were never abuse rumors, just shitloads of drama, so I can empathize with the "background noise" characterization, especially when it's one against the other and they both seem nuts. The rule was, get them help and keep a VERY close eye on them without breaking privacy laws. Monitor them for potential violence, suicide, etc. But, I only heard the husbands' sides unless civil or criminal proceedings ensued, so, like Urban, I was hamstrung to an extent. But, you can be damn sure my leadership knew EVERYTHING that I knew, even if it was just the husbands telling half-truths. If UFM really knew, the likelihood that Gene knew is pretty good too. But, I'm thinking more and more that UFM may survive, unless there's hard evidence (email, text, etc.) that he was told. Even McMurphy hasn't produced that.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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BuckIhateTTUN's picture

Buckfrombirth, you referenced one of the key issues that isn't getting much play during this whole screwed up story: in the rush to indict Urban Meyer few recognize that regardless of outcome, this opens the door for employers to pry even further into their employee's private lives.  It's sad that so many people are so unwilling to care for themselves and accept responsibility for their own welfare that there now exists an expectation for an employer to manage an employee's private life. Tragically, this case is highly likely to move American society beyond simple employee background checks to the active monitoring of employees' private affairs and reporting transgressions to the police.

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Atl_Buckeye72's picture

THIS!!!! I have been saying this since this whole thing broke a couple days ago. Was Meyer supposed to report every single time he hears about them having a fight? Yes I think Urban knew something, but I believe this was yet another "yeah they are arguing again"  type of scenario. I hope that every coach in the land is paying close attention! 

That being said, I think Meyer is toast. No one will publicly back Meyer on this toxic issue! In our PC/#metoo world no one will put their own neck out their to pose any other stance than fire anybody associated with this. And if no one backs Meyer publicly the University will distance themselves from this to avoid as much public scrutiny as possible. Unless they come up with some really clear cut evidence I don't see Meyer surviving. And even if they do find that evidence the university will have to be prepared to defend everyone (what coaches knew what). I just don't see them wanting to open that can of worms.

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LB U's picture

Wait.. So you were more confident yesterday, when all of those same idiots in the media declared that Urban was already fired once he was placed in paid administrative leave? Because that's literally what every single one of them were saying. They said that there wasn't even going to be an investigation, and that they were just working on a buyout at that point.

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D-Day0043's picture

No. After hearing everything that I have heard over the last couple of days, there is really no way he couldn’t have known about it. It sucks. I hate it. I just don’t understand why he would keep around a guy like that, especially someone who is breaking “core values” that he so adamantly preaches about.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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LB U's picture

One of my favorite quotes "If you don't watch the news you're uninformed, if you watch the news you're misinformed" - Denzel Washington. Sometimes It's better to just stay away from the major news outlets and actually look at things objectively with perspective, what we know and don't know is very vague right now. These people on TV have already been wrong once about this particular situation, they didn't think there was even going to be an investigation..

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Extramedium's picture

There is no evidence, that we know of, that he knew anything.  Until there is evidence, it's not "damning" in the least. No matter what Bleacher Report or Brett says.

Even if he did know, the police didn't take action and she didn't press charges.  You can't fire a guy because his ex-wife sent texts to your wife complaining about her ex-husband.  Once there was official police involvement, Urban fired Smith.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

And she had the records sealed. The only smoke is in the form of assumptions between wives. If DBag Smith or anyone else testifies that he told UFM, or a text/email surfaces, then the entire script will flip. Until then, there's really nothing. My current belief is that Shelley is smart enough to gatekeep for Urban. We'll see.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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zjhousley's picture

But will Meyer let his wife take the fall for him?

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D-Day0043's picture

Right. Meyer said he never heard a thing about it. And his best friend, his wife, never mentioned a word about anything she knew to him. Smith went through a messy divorce, court hearings, got a restraining order put on him, and his wife was telling people about what was happening in their relationship. Even though coaches spend 60-70 hours a week together, and in 3 years no one found out. No one heard a word or mentioned a thing to Urban in all of that time. Urban said, if you lie you should not be allowed to coach again. 

With that being said, Smith wasn’t convicted of a thing and Urban eventually fired him. I don’t think he should be fired over it, but it was a shady thing to lie about it. But the lie is enough to cost Irban his job because public opinion is going to force Ohio State’s hand.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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FairfaxBuckeye's picture

Urban said, if you lie you should not be allowed to coach again. 

Nice use of only part of something he said with no context.  

He was actually talking about lying to the NCAA about cheating:

I’ve always been a big proponent of the NCAA. It’s very frustrating to see that things happen and things happen and things happen — some of a very serious nature — and it just disappears because they don’t have subpoena power. You hear the term ‘toothless.’ It’s certainly not because of effort, because we have very good people there.

“I always believed if you willfully and intentionally broke the rule or you lie to the NCAA, you can never coach again. To this day, I still believe that. I’m not talking about mistakes made when you have a rulebook like this (thick). But if you intentionally pay a guy money or willfully have a second cell phone to make illegal phone calls, you’re done. You can never coach again.

https://saturdaytradition.com/ohio-state-football/urban-meyer-cheating-b...

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beavis's picture

d-day : the police were there in 2015......at the scene of the supposed incident - and no arrests. and the record of the event was sealed so it wasn't readilyavailable. yet, you say urban is at fault for supposedly knowing about it????????? 

beavis

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ceejaygrey's picture

it's not just if he knew, it's also "reasonably expected to have known" which in this case could be his wife knowing. All depends on how it's interpreted. The team is going to have to deal with this all year if they bring him back. It will definitely tarnish the reputation of the university, and will almost certainly invite more reporters looking for more stuff.  I don't get the impression from Buckeye fans that many would care however and that may ultimately be what saves his job. 

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ibuck's picture

 after listening to believing all of the media outlets today, there is a pretty solid case against him at the moment and the evidence is pretty damning.

FTFY.

Don't believe everything you see/hear on media/internet. People with coworker experience with this situation are saying it's usually not black and white, it's generally more nuanced. I give such reasonable explanations more credibility than folks seeking ratings, clicks, or new jobs.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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D-Day0043's picture

It’s not about what I believe or what I want to happen. It’s about what Ohio State will do. There is no way he didn’t know something, and not investigating it further, if that’s the case, will be enough for him to get fired.

For the record, I hope he can prove he didn’t know anything and he is completely innocent, and he gets to keep his job. I hate that he could possibly lose his job over fucking Zack Smith.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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Bukirob's picture

Really because a bunch of talking heads repeat the same points ad nauseaum?

The Guy the broke the story was interviewed by Van Pelt on ESPN.  He started the same BS talking points that "Oh ALL the coaches kenw, Urban knew."  When Van Pelt pressed him concerning what EVIDENCE he had that Urban Knew he had to admit he had NO EVIDENCE that Urban knew.

We have all heard just 1 side of the story and its from this C*NT  and YES that is EXACTLY what she is.  It isn't enough that she is getting justice over her ex-beating her up.  No, she has to make everyone pay with her BULL SHYT.  You CLEARLY are not aware that she is a NUTBAG she would ROUTINELY show up at practice DRUNK. 

This whack job shrills Urban knew but when she is asked how she knows he knew did she text him or send him emails the answer is always the same.... NO.  You have this bimbo, drunk POS trying to destroy the very people that tried to help her and zack in 2009.  She didnt file charges in 2015 so since you are so convinced you KNOW what the facts are tell us please how was Urban supposed to know something happened?

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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beavis's picture

d-day. you don't see how he couldn't know? what if  urbans wife has a different take on what she was texted and never said anything to anyone. Csmith never pressed charges on any of the so-called abuse. law enforcement from 2 different states never arrested or convicted Zsmith once. it's being said Zsmith never told urban anything.  the court records were sealed so nobody could have known they existed........and YET - urban should have known????????

you have some high-powered crystal ball to make those kinds of statements.

beavis

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chris's picture

they'll also pay him less if this investigation proves anything. investigation is a win-win for the university.

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ibuck's picture

Yep. OSU has been bitten before by firing a coach without proper investigation.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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Vabuck213's picture

I think this is a good thing. Means the school isn’t gonna take it lightly, they’ve tasked a group to make a legitimate investigation, find out what really happened, then make a decision. There won’t be some snap decision because of the media outcry

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SantaBarbaraBuck's picture

Could not agree more

"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
- Cardale Jones

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Agreed. The only downside is that it will take time to formulate a releasable report, so Ryan and Co. will likely be in charge for a while. Go Coach Day. We're with you, man.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Buckeye1996's picture

Heavy hitters. Go get those facts!

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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Extramedium's picture

And please stay off Twitter and ESPN where they have already investigated and found him guilty.

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CincyOSU's picture

So it’s just ESPN? SI, FoxSports, CBS Sports, Yahoo Sports, etc ALL aren’t saying the same thing? It ONLY ESPN and Twitter? 

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Buckeye1996's picture

I think this is good news as Urban would have just waived a white flag and walked away if it was as clear as we've been led to believe by media reports.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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beavis's picture

his comment about his leave said he's anxious for this matter to be cleared up  - that doesn't sound like a man with a guilty conscience.

beavis

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avail31678's picture

It doesn’t, but of course he’s going to say that.  I still have hope, though.

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andretolstoy's picture

They also usually eat their own. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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brunstar's picture

Monford’s Wikipedia history mentions a lot of tax evasion and organized crime cases.  Apparently he helped bring down former Ohio Gov. Taft with his work on a related case.

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Coingate hardly brought Taft down. He got a fine. He was ordered to apologize. And he served out the remainder of his second term, notwithstanding that that a criminal conviction for misdemeanor state ethics law violations is grounds for impeachment.  Now, Terry Gasper, the BWC Chief Financial Officer lost his job, was convicted of racketeering and ethics violations and was sentenced to 5 years in the slam. THAT dude got taken down.  

Bobbing for french fries.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

Free Urban

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brband64's picture

...with every $10 purchase

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goodlifesean's picture

Solid dad joke

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Not_Sure's picture

Here’s $20, I’ll take two!

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JT Buckeye's picture

Save Ferris?

*Sipping the Buckeye Kool-Aid since 1995

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DrSpaceman's picture

Fire Fickell

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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Defiance's picture

Love the avatar!!!

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Oh, so there is more to the story? I thought McButtMunch had this thing all sewn up. 

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beavis's picture

well, there's brett mcmurphys world...........and then there is the truth.

beavis

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camcop71's picture

Trying to find gainful employment.

"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” -Joey Bosa, PSU 10/25/14

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

And, this task may get tougher after this takedown piece blows up in his face. 

If the emerging rumors are based in fact, then all of the praise I've heard McMurphy get for this thoroughly investigated story is all going to blow up in his face.

It looks more and more like McMurphy had another ill-fated bout with correlation and causation. 

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camcop71's picture

Where are you putting your money on who finds a job first; him or Zach?

"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” -Joey Bosa, PSU 10/25/14

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bigbluebuckeye's picture

What are these emerging rumors?? Genuinely curious. 

Our honor defend we will fight to the end for OHIO!

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Bukirob's picture

Watch the entire Van Pelt interview.  At least Van Pelt has the balls to PRESS McMurphy on what FACTS do you have?  McMurphy had to admit he did not have any evidence that Meyer actually knew.  

If this is merely a PR move by OSU as a prelude to fire Meyer and they do so without any CONCRETE proof that he knew  I will 100% be DONE with OSU and OSU sports

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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Thundermoose87's picture

It’s terrible reporting. He’s hunting a one time strike to get back to the big leagues. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

He couldn't even take down the Crypt Keepper in Manhattan, Kansas. 

Urban's going to give him the rope-a-dope. 

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Madbuckeye's picture

I'm thinking 4 game suspension and we get our coach back. I'll reference this comment down the road uv / dv it whatever. I just want to see if my source is right. I can't confirm his connections. This is a friend of my wife's from our ohio roots.

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costinjr's picture

Lol madbuck, I think we may have the same source and that’s what I heard as well. But again, more for my benefit as a reference as well.

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TheVictoryBell's picture

I would hate to see that. He shouldn’t be suspended for any time! 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

prefer fines if anything.

Get the avatar or bust

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BluntedBrutus's picture

Oi oi oi

"Conversely, Urban Meyer and his players are an unstoppable army of football automatons that feel no emotion and win in any and every setting."

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Clinger76's picture

...ho ho ho??

"If you take no risks, you will suffer no defeats, But if you take no risks, you will earn no victories."

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

In the #metoo age, they have to.

Someone may literally burn down the WHAC if they don't suspend him. 

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TheVictoryBell's picture

I don’t think they do. Suspending him admits guilt. He did nothing wrong. The women called 911 like 100x in the span of a few months! The police stopped responding because she was so crazy. 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

so perhaps ZS isn't the bad guy?

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costinjr's picture

I wouldn’t go that far. He’s still a criminal in my eyes

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Well, it was a crime with what he did to our WR corps...

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Buckfrombirth's picture

^^^This

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

I'm pretty sure there's nothing I could learn that would convince me of this.  

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TheVictoryBell's picture

From what is being said Courtney Smith is an alcoholic who called 911 constantly for nothing. The Powell PD know how nutty she is. She was trying to sell her story for 6 figures and her last option is sue Ohio State or get a settlement from Ohio St. 

Keep in mind Zach Smith was never charged for anything, even in 2015 when she finally tried to press charges. 

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Dstacify's picture

That makes sense. No doubt they're banking on Day being such a disaster as HC that the team will be 0-4 by the time Urban comes back and will have virtually nothing left to play for at that point. Yeah, fuck McMurphy for turning this into a national circus and may the truth prevail.

11 Strong.

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

No suspension, I believe Meyer will give a hefty donation to battered women's group.

GO BUCKS!!! *ichigan sucks!!!

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

A suspension would be "for not being clear at B1G media day"

Noon games suck

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SilverHaven's picture

And will OSU voluntarily hurting themselves with suspensions help?
With Tressel, OSU voluntarily vacated wins in 2010 hoping to placate the haters, and they were still issued harsher sanctions preventing conference championships and bowl bids.
No suspensions.  Fines instead.
Why hurt the football players and fans?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I may be wrong, but I think they're going to suspend him for something like "losing control of critical aspects of the program and not upholding the standards of character expected blah, blah, blah".

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avail31678's picture

TheVictoryBell - not challenging you but how do you know this about Courtney calling the cops so much? Or rather not how do you know, but where has this been said/heard?

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RBloodworth's picture

That report about her 911 calls comes from a Bucknuts post that has already had several parts of it debunked as outright BS.  I wouldn’t take ANYTHING from that post as true unless it’s proven by a reputable source.

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WVBuckeye's picture

Where’d you read about parts of it being debunked? Not saying that I believed any of it, but I’m just curious so I can read more.

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RBloodworth's picture

This is being discussed in other posts on this site’s forum, but I’ll recap:

For one thing, the post claimed that the photos of Courtney Smith’s bruises that McMurphy posted in his story were from 2010.  Funny thing, though;  they were clearly taken with an iPhone 5S with iOS8, which literally did not exist until 2014.  So, that one is bullshit.

Also, the idea that 911 dispatchers would refuse to send officers out to attend to her claims is just impossible to believe.  For one, that’s illegal.  Second, could you imagine the lawsuit if 911 refused to dispatch police and something tragic ended up happening?  Even if Courtney Smith was a habitual crank, there’s NO WAY that 911 dispatchers would treat her like Chicken Little.  That would be dereliction of duty of the highest order.

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Buckeye Beast's picture

I'm not saying she's lying, because I'm throughly convinced ZS sucks. But maybe it could all be as simple as running some image searches on the evidence photos, see if they originate somewhere other than the victim.

Aesculus Glabra

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TigerSweat's picture

I personally know two separate women who harmed themselves just so they could take pics and claim that they're boyfriend/husband did it... Not saying that this is what happened here but I know for a fact that there a plenty of crazy ladies out there that wouldn't hesitate to do this.

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TigerSweat's picture

I don't know where youre from but that kind of thing happens in my area all the time... If the local deputies learn that a particular person is a habitual bullshit caller they eventually stop response. They may drive by or call a relative and/or neighbor but that's about it. This idea that local cops are somehow physically beholden to law and policy is misguided

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downtownbuckeye's picture

VictoryBell - you got a source beyond that Bucknuts thing? 

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Mantis's picture

Don't blame the #MeToo movement.  This is a case of one guy doing something wrong (Smith) and one guy probably not so bad (Meyer).  

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Extramedium's picture

The reason people are worried by the MeToo movement in this case comes from recent history of anyone tangentially related to complaints, or even rumors of wrongdoing losing their jobs immediately with no recourse.

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JSH0717's picture

Sorry, I absolutely blame that movement.  It is what triggered the mob mentality calling for his head.  Zach is fired, good, but to go after his boss when NUMEROUS other people knew.  It's all about validation for the movement to take down prized heads, this is one of them.  

GO BUCKS!

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TigerSweat's picture

Nah. Attempting to burn down a structure that probably has people inside is grounds for being shot.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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BrutusB's picture

Someone’s getting their pound of flesh no matter what. 

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MaxMermelstein's picture

That's the problem with this mentality.  OSU doesn't have to do jack shit here if they don't want to.  This isn't an NCAA issue.  It's just an optics issue.

And before some moron spouts off about Title 9.  Go read what actual Title 9 lawyers are saying about this case. Courtney Smith is not a student/employee and therefore doesn't have any protections under Title 9.

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Extramedium's picture

Brett McMurphy got his temporary spotlight, that should be enough.

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costinjr's picture

Wondering how much she was paid for those interviews and it sounds like McMurphy may not have done due dillegence on the timeline of those photos.

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TigerSweat's picture

He didn't do any due diligence at all...he spent three days in Columbus and managed to only interview Courtney. This guy has an agenda and he's a douchebag. Those two things combined aren't good

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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JTFor President2016's picture

Dude. I swear I heard the exact same thing. Close friend of Shelley, who got my family sideline passes to the Big Ten title game, has said that the Meyers expect a 3-4 game suspension. According to her, Courtney Smith made false claims “multiple times” and they were alcohol related. The Meyers did not know exactly who to believe. 

They expect a suspension as Meyer still should have said something. They expect 3-4 games because of negative PR for him returning before the TCU game. 

We shall see. It’s interestinf multiple people have said this. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

The TCU game is Week 3. A 3-4 game suspension would have him back either for the Tulane game or Penn State game.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

A two-game suspension would not shock me, or no suspension at all. 

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costinjr's picture

It does kind of sound like multiple people are hearing the same rumblings. Columbus can feel like a small town. I’ll be curious to see when this is all over if anyone heard the correct story.

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SilverHaven's picture

Forget the game suspensions and hurting the football team. Just have Meyer pay a fine like they did at Colorado.  Coach McIntyre and the AD George paid $100,000 each. Done. 
Now could OSU get tough and greedy and fine Urban and Gene say $400,000 each?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Extramedium's picture

The team will be fine for 3-4 games if that is what happens.  The team would probably be fine for the entire season.  If we lost Meyer the biggest problem will be recruiting.

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beavis's picture

suspension for what? being accused of something he has already denied?

beavis

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JTFor President2016's picture

He knew and should have still said something according to her friend. That combined with OSU not fully ready to take the PR of no suspension 

mainly PR

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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1988BSME's picture

When you say "he knew" it seems like case closed, but you really don't know what he knew. Maybe he knew they had a crazy personal life and couldn't effectively "get involved." That seems more likely a scenario. 

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ChazBuckeye's picture

My source believes this could take a while now. It looked like it could be done by this weekend or may be next week, but not so much now. I'm starting to believe this 3 to 4 game suspension rumor, in order to avoid possible backlash from tNCAA, possible backlash from either Smith (as sad as that sounds), and more media outlets covering the story casting Meyer and OSU in a negative light.

I am growing to hate the media driven world we live in....it's just stupid at this point.

It is time!!!!!

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beavis's picture

4 game suspension for what? what is he being punished for?

beavis

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raisincanebuckeye's picture

This ought to throw the media in even more of a tizzy.

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brunstar's picture

Is the media ever not in a tizzy, it’s pretty much a permanent status at this point.  

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raisincanebuckeye's picture

I am getting some enjoyment out of watching/listening to their tizzy. They're gonna lose their mind he's not fired yet.

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brunstar's picture

Who gave this a down vote?   I hope it was accidental.

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aboynamedtracy's picture

They can fuck right off and you can tell them I said that. But I'm sure you're right.

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costinjr's picture

I feel like we’re gonna get parts of this story that will clear up some of the egregious questions in this story. Including some numbers from Powell PD.

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TheVictoryBell's picture

This sounds like it’s going to take forever. Free Urban. Free Urban. Free Urban. 

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Nairion's picture

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TheVictoryBell's picture

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

Banhammer in 3... 2... 1...

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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CCatanzaro's picture

You must be new here...

Dairy-fed intellect and pure, unhinged sass.

 

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JarheadBuck's picture

Ugh...Committees take forever to do anything.  And a committee of politicians and attorneys take twice as long.  I think this will be a long painful time ahead.

On a different note, what's O/U on MGo posts discussing us and using the "This is fine" image?  Six figures seems about right, but then again I'm not a Vegas odds-maker.  ;-)  (Laugh or cry boys...laugh or cry.)

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ELJTSA76's picture

We would do the same thing. Turnabout is fair play, especially when you are the red headed step child. 

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JarheadBuck's picture

Oh, I absolutely agree.  I'm just asking what the O/U is on the purely human reaction like that.

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Extramedium's picture

I think the committee is for show and they’ve already decided on the punishment.  He’ll be suspended or pay a fine.  Otherwise he’d be fired already.  IMHO of course.

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HandsOfSweed's picture

Just wait and see how bad the falsely indignant outrage will be on that site when the truth hits and Urban is vindicated. It is gonna be an epic wailing and gnashing of teeth. I can't wait.

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earthpig's picture

This is going to be expensive no matter the outcome..  Probably looking for a means to keep him employed..  This won’t be over by September 1st, guaranteed..

Pigskins & Porkrinds

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Mantis's picture

It will be.  Guaranteed. 

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DibbleDabble's picture

This will be over before Labor Day.

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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JarheadBuck's picture

They'll make lemonade...just raise ticket prices to offset their investigative costs.  lol

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Homey1970's picture

With the responsibility of a Warren Commission, I hope the budget is at least $10M.

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

I’m a lawyer. I’m willing to be on the committee. I promise to drive up costs, take too long, and deliver a disappointing outcome.

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Homey1970's picture

As a federal government employee, I’m guessing that you’re a government lawyer.

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

No way .... I just do my own thing 

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Homey1970's picture

YOU ARE A GOVERNMENT LAWYER!!!

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Knite's picture

lol  too funny   up vote from me

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WVBuckeye's picture

Good try, government lawyer!

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stpetebuck's picture

I dunno. I’m around media and advertising.  Private industry lawyers are responsible for the hyper speed voice at the ends of car dealer ads and more egregiously, the :45 second disclaimers “..may cause anal leakage...” etc. Not any worse than the .gov stuff we work on.  

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Ethos's picture

Definitely legit

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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Hughesrep's picture

I’m a sales guy.  I promise I’ll be able to see through any bull. 

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steve-OH's picture

Ditto. And which way do you want me to spin the results announcement?

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Ethos's picture

Well great, this is going to take frigging forever.

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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Extramedium's picture

Pretty sure they’ve already come to a conclusion and this is for PR.  

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ollie81's picture

Who's investigating the police and her parents? 

"Because I couldn't go for three."

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TheVictoryBell's picture

Who is investigating her? Reportedly the photos were from 2010. 

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ThePritch's picture

Not super familiar with this claim. Not to say some of them aren’t from 2010, but phone in the one selfie is an iPhone 5, which came out in 2013. So at least 1 of them are from later than that

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TPMBuck's picture

Unless she downloaded old photos to her phone. Not saying she did but it's still a possibility.

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ohst8buxCP's picture

Jesus people are dumb. The physical phone in her hand is from 2013, its not possible for those pictures to be from 2010 unless she's a time traveler, in which case she can go back to last week and kill me so I don't have to deal with this shit.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Made me laugh out loud. Send her my way, too.

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TPMBuck's picture

Sorry didn't realize which photo was being discussed until I saw the actual photo it in a later thread. Definitely not downloaded and definitely after 2010.

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ohst8buxCP's picture

All good, just sick of people posting it

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Jeeves's picture

I had to log in just to upvote this post. Hilarious time traveller take. I’d also like to note, no that itmight mean anything , but some pics were taken in the bathroom and some in the kitchen. One of those little things Columbo would notice to make him say hmmmm?

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

The bathroom pics of the neck are dated November 2014. And the pics Courtney gave to McMurphy may not be the same ones sent to Shelley - everyone is assuming they are. Context is important too

There are no pics shown sent inside the text messages themselves and its clear from screenshots pics were not sent in conjunction with these convos - or they'd be inside the text message.

I have pics on my Note 8 taken with my Galaxy S3 - it's called a data transfer - so it's possible there are 2010 pics.

Let's remember, these are pics of injuries and prove she had injuries - not where they came from or who inflicted them.

This is now an evidentiary matter - particularly with this panel investigating. It cannot come to any conclusion beginning with 'he SHOULD have known' bc if this panel recommends termination it has to have 35 million reasons to be absolutely SURE he knew there was violence beyond the 2009 incident (which was found to have not occurred as reported).

But back to what's been reported about Courtney.

The other stuff is easy to verify - # of 911 calls, showing up drunk to the WHAC and making threats, being pulled over for DUI, witness list for the upcoming court hearing.

Further, not a single text message PROVES Urban knew anything. Hell, none exist to prove Shelley knew antlyrhing - other than Courtney was away from the perp and knew how to utilize the resources around her (911, courts, family). Unless there is a communication along the lines of 'Come see what he did to me last night I'm afraid to go to the police, I need your help' (and we know there's not bc McMurphy would have nuked us with it by now), it cannot be PROVEN either Meyer knew anything other than two very toxic people were engaged in an equally toxic relationship.

Other factors for the committee to consider absent any smoking gun communication:

**2015 Records sealed - some info suggests by Courtney
**Immediate termination once document of 5/18
incident in hand (showing action w/proof)
**Zachs statement of withholding info from Urb
**Courtney's statement no verification Shelley told Urb
**Courtney's admission no one knew til 2014
**Admission by McMurphy of no direct evidence Urb
knew anything definitively
**Text messages present in McMurphy article altered
**Text msg from Shelley asking if police been to the
house - supports no knowledge of 2015 (sealed) LE
reports AND Courtney's response is missing.
**Text msgs (both Lindsey and Shelley) are vague and
do not reference specific incidents of violence or
soecific convo related to Urban.
**Staff searched for 2015 reports & couldn't find
(sealed)
**No arrests/convictions
**No CPS involvement - LE is mandated reporter if
there is a concern even absent arrest. This is more
telling than you think.
**Couple was apart in 2015 (to lay people, less danger)
**Courtney has access and has demonstrated
knowledge/use of resources (mentioned above)
**No TIX, contract, or policy violation
**Recant of 2009 incident circumstances
**Witness credibility

Should be noted, Meyer had dug in. His statements are indicative of someone who is neither afraid of the truth or considering an easy, voluntary exit.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

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Jsnyde45's picture

Fantastic post my friend!

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

Thanks. There are a few other things, but it was getting a bit novel - esque. I may post in the forum at some point. People should realize there is a stronger case for, than against Urban at this point.

Just like in law - it's not what you know, but what you can PROVE.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

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Buck68's picture

AngelHearts:  thank you for your rare example of summary reporting.

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IslandBumBuckeye's picture

it's not what you know, but what you can PROVE

DanielCaffey.gif 

"It's always scotch-thirty on my island."

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JSH0717's picture

Best post I have seen. Well done. 

GO BUCKS!

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Darnell's picture

I think at least 2 of the photos were definitely not from 2010.  Based on the photos that include the phone used to take them, three items point to it being an iPhone 5S. The style of the back of the phone, the phone looks to be gold/white, and the flash is a dual LED flash.  The last two features were new in the 5S, and the 5S was released in late 2014, which lines up with the pictures being from 2015.  At least 2 of the pictures couldn't have been from earlier than late 2014.

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Extramedium's picture

All this is pointless anyways unless there is proof Urban knew.  Brett McMurphy saying he can’t believe Shelley didn’t tell him on ESPN for the 27th time is not proof.  

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beavis's picture

who's investigating her??? she's claiming abuse but never filed charges.

beavis

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McLovin2.0's picture

Victim blaming at its finest. Good job.

What, are you trying to be an Irish R&B singer??

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ELJTSA76's picture

Because lying isn’t something that happens, right?  I expect that all parties will be investigated. Otherwise, why have an I estigation or any kind of process at all?  Seriously... wow

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camcop71's picture

If she had any visible injuries when the police were called and they could determine he caused them, he gets arrested no matter what she wants. Ohio law. She can drop charges later, but he gets arrested.

"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” -Joey Bosa, PSU 10/25/14

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Davebuck187's picture

I've been saying the exact same thing!!!

"Woody is a God-fearing man. It's good to know that he's afraid of somebody."
-Archie Griffin.

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Spirit's picture

Sorry, F-baum, our coaches'  career (and life) will not be destroyed. Praying for the BEST for Mrs. Smith and her family. The FACTS of this case will not lead to Urb's demise. GO BUCKS ! Show your Spirit.

Spirit

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Eph97's picture

So why aren't Texas, Rutgers, and Michigan forming committees and investigating Herman, Ash, and Warriner  (alleged snitch, BTW)? All the coaches wives knew about Smith, right?

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Dstacify's picture

Herman wasn't here in 2015 when the alleged second abuse took place. I think he's probably safe. The shady thing about this case is they only seem focused on nailing OSU to the wall. They couldn't care less about what coaches who were here in 2015 that are no longer here might be guilty of. Schiano was not here in 2015 either but I would not put it past them to throw him into the fire and justify it by bringing up his own history with PSU and his friendship with Urban.

11 Strong.

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@osu.fbu's picture

What did Warriner allegedly snitch about?

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avail31678's picture

ABout Zach Smith recently.  But I can say 11W staff has emphatically said tats not true.

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Dstacify's picture

Did he throw Meyer under the bus while doing it? I wouldn't exactly call him an objective opinion considering the way his tenure at OSU ended.

11 Strong.

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avail31678's picture

No, 11W has said Warriner has NOT snitched.  That was a rumor, as best as I can tell.

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

Will they be looking into the Iowa debacle?

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

Now that’s an investigation I can support 

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Dstacify's picture

If they look into that Iowa should go to prison for rape hands down. There's no question what that was.

11 Strong.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Don’t waste time with the whole game...just the issue with covering the TEs

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Who would trust a bunch of politicians to handle anything. Hope I didn't push the policy to far.

Noon games suck

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mittenst8buck's picture

Lol...what could possibly go wrong there

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Bigmarty's picture

Media with Public Records requests will have a field day.  Unfettered power and OSU will buckle.  Shocked to see UFM stay.  

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camcop71's picture

I would definitely be getting all records of calls to the Smith house since 2015. And copies of any 911 calls.

"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” -Joey Bosa, PSU 10/25/14

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Bucks2TheNatty's picture

This is as good of news as I could expect. My worst fears have been set aside as there was not a buyout talked about yet and Urban is obviously still in denial mode which means some sort of alibi or story exists that tells us Urban didn’t know. 

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beavis's picture

denial of what? if what he says is true, and many FACTS suggest he's telling the truth - what do YOU think he's denying?

beavis

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Bucks2TheNatty's picture

He’s denying the fact that he knew about the incidents in 2015 before he fired Zach in 2018. 

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Extramedium's picture

Even if he knew, you can’t fire an employee because his ex-wife texted your wife to complain about him.  Especially when police were involved and didn’t arrest him.  Once Smith was arrested, he was fired the next day.  Brett McMurphy hopes this will revitalize his career but it looks like it could blow up in his face.

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chris's picture

So why not just say that instead of saying you had no clue?

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Doug James's picture

A lot of people are commenting on Courtney Smith's lifestyle and character.  If comments are somewhat accurate, this will help Urban.  

DJ

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villain612's picture

If they just formed an independent working group, then Urban isn't getting fired tomorrow. 

Honestly, the longer it goes on, I think the better it is for him (avoiding media pressure to fire). Unless of course, they find damning evidence or something. 

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brunstar's picture

I wish the court case wasn’t moved to Sept.  it could’ve been settled tomorrow if the rumors about Zach Smith’s evidence against Courtney is true.  

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OSU_JD's picture

There’s at least a modicum of truth to them. Yes, attorneys are d-bags (including yours truly), but for Zach’s attorney to say the police would come in and testify in favor of his client and that she abuses 911? That’s either grade-A bluffing or there’s something to it. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

This is a start I guess. I read some things earlier that were interesting and would pretty much end this thing but I don't know how much I trust the source. There is certainly more to the story than we know right now so well see where this goes.

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brutus0717's picture

I have a very hard time believing that they didn't start investigating this the minute they fired Smith.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

I have a hard time believing they didn't start investigating this BEFORE they fired Smith.

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Extramedium's picture

They did and I’m sure they already have a punishment ready.  This committee could be for PR.  If he was going to get fired I think they already would have done it to get OSU out of the headlines.

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Rizzoni's picture

If Gene Smith announces that Urban Meyer had done nothing wrong, non-OSU fans would roll their eyes. An announcement from this committee may carry more credibility. Overall, I like the move, but please wrap it up quickly. 

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

Right. Shared responsibility too. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I don’t know why, but I feel like this makes it more likely Urban remains coach at Ohio State. I feel like Ohio State knew they couldn’t come out and say their own investigation didn’t turn up anything, they needed an independent group to say it for them.

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BuckFaninSECLAnd's picture

Now there is a story on MSN that Florida players claim mistreatment by Urban. When it rains it pours.

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buckslan's picture

It's a non issue. Even former players have spoken out about how absurd it is.

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BuckFaninSECLAnd's picture

That’s good to hear but just the fact that it is out there just adds more fiuel to the fire.

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Mikus_Aurelius's picture

Such a silly story.  Urban made them exercise.

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mathandler1's picture

I hate the media. They alone determines who gets fired and who doesn't. Meyer did not hit his wife,crucify the man who did. This feels like Tressel all over again. The media will not stop until he is fired. I hope the university does not cave in,fuck the media,they will find someone else when this dies down.

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avail31678's picture

It’s absolutely baffling that Urban is being crucified and nary a soul in the media is taking about Zach Smith, who would be by far the bigger asshole if all this were true.

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Extramedium's picture

They will stop once another story comes up that will help fill their 24 hour news day. and one always does.

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frozen buckeye's picture

This story stinks. The reporter, the accuser, the platform that 'broke'...every element of this story makes me skeptical.  Let the OSU investigation take its course...

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

There has never been a committee in the history of higher education that completed a task swiftly. 

Ever.

On the bright side, I'm glad to see some current Trustees on there to make sure the "bottom line" so to speak is being looked out for. Also, this independent working group, in my mind, clearly shows that it is not a Title IX investigation, which is also good news.

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

To quote, actually borrow from, the great Snoop Dog, a cat that knows how to beat a case or two: 

Free Urban, that’s all that’s on our mind

But at the same time, Courtney Johnson trying to take mine

So Gene Smith gonna get smart and defensive and shit

And put together a million Buckeye March and some gangster shit. 

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Homey1970's picture

What I’d really like to see investigated is the abuse that Jim McElwain did to that shark.

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Doug James's picture

Meyer and team going to play angry this year.

DJ

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Flying Swamp Rat's picture

I'm tired of metoo must do something and the references that he knew (implying abuse is guaranteed) comments. If everyone knew at university and they toxic couple, she's a lyier and drunk same as him why suspend Urb. Unless bc he lied about media day. Please remember when he was legally approved restraining order they fired him. Suspension for What? Nationally tOSU totally trashed, 10 articles pinning jfk assassination on Urb, even herby light weight defended the other side to the story reference, media saying closed book, Urb knew she was abused and he covered up our shittiest coach risking everything. I'm struggling to understand how we go from fired to 4 games suspension bc he had it coming...sorry for rant

"Let's Roll", Todd Beamer, Flight 93, 9/11

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Dstacify's picture

Look, I get the admirable concept behind #MeToo. But the power it provides is bringing forth a lot of lies or at the very least exaggerations in this day and age. I mean, look at the shit Reuben Foster's girlfriend put him through with that false accusation she made this off-season (which luckily she admitted to otherwise his NFL career might've been toast). Not to mention the entire circus surrounding Zeke last year which was very likely based off of false accusations (and he still got suspended 6 games for it thanks to Goodell). I find it hard to believe Urban is the type of coach who would allow people associated with his team who are actively committing domestic violence to stick around if he knew it was actively going on (which there is so much grey area on that where Zach and Courtney Smith are concerned). I mean, look at happened to Bri'onte Dunn in 2016 when his domestic violence accusations became public knowledge. Meyer quickly dismissed him permanently from the team. In Zach Smith's case charges were not pressed by Courtney in 2015 and the documents were sealed from public knowledge at her request to protect Zach's job. All she has to go on now is her assumption that everything she told Shelley Meyer was relayed to Urban (and no confirmation of that was given). Once the circumstances surrounding Zach's most recent charge were revealed we saw how Urban responded to it. This is nothing more than a witch hunt instigated by McMurphy to get himself back on the map as a journalist. I wouldn't be shocked if Courtney herself is a little dismayed at how public this has become now.

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ohst8buxCP's picture

1000000000% right. Great post

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TigerSweat's picture

It's the sjw culture that is decaying the fabric of... Everything. On the bright side, many people are also realizing this and walking away from that whole toxic scene. There is hope

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Cooper's picture

Right move, I’d say.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

I can't believe this is what OSU is doing. This is where my donor dollars are spent.    

Either OSU mandates that employees must report any rumor, or allegation they hear  to a superior that a colleague, staff member, or student has been accused of a misdemeanor or felony, or they don't. And if they do,(which is outrageous but what I suspect) one must surmise that the reason for a committee to supervise an investigative team is because they are going to go after every single person associated with the football program. All of them. Every single one, and I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't include every player is going to be questioned.  And who is going to allow themselves to be questioned by their employer regarding what could be a fireable offense, particularly the coaching staff who have very large salaries, and the associated members of the athletic department, including Gene Smith, without having their lawyer present. And it will take months. 

This is insane. I hope I am wrong and it's just the university lawyers directing this.

The only comforting thought is they haven't hired Perkins Coie to handle this . Yet.

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LCT's picture

"This is where my donor dollars are spent."

They're probably gonna do lots of working lunches in a private room at Lindey's. Some days, when they've worked extra hard, they'll head over to Mitchell's for dinner.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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schwab's picture

Glad you poked the important information in line 1.

Thanks for donating!

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Garyc's picture

I have a real problem believing that Meyer would do nothing in 2015  and ignore the situation (if he was aware of it) but when he became aware of it in 2009, he became highly involved in the marital problem. I am just saying, there is more to this story than being printed. 

Garyc

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Extramedium's picture

What would you want him to do about a private matter between an employee and his wife/ex-wife?  Once anything official happened and he was arrested, Meyer fired him.  You can’t fire or discipline an employee because of rumors or texts to your wife.

im guessing if he knew he definitely told Smith to clean up his act before he gets arrested and fired.  And that’s just what happened.

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tcm1968's picture

Still think people are missing the boat on this whole thing. All this talk of is she a liar, are the photos real etc etc etc is basically meaningless. This about Urban and Zach and wether Urban knowingly hired a bad guy and kept him around knowing he was a bad guy.  This is going to be about if Urban kept a dude with clear anger issues and alcohol issues on the staff because of his relationship with Earle Bruce. They're going to want a straight answer on why in June 2009 there's an incident and then Zach is no longer with the Florida program. If Zach was asked to leave Florida why was he hired in 2012. ( Not saying he was asked to leave but the timing of his departure is really suspicious in hindsight)... 

This is about Ohio State football and Zach and Urban.... The Courtney Smith stuff is just a media side show. 

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McGrind's picture

Real media side show would be bringing in the gal ZS brought home for a 1 year anniversary present.

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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Buckeye Jack's picture

If Jerry Springer had McGrind booking guests, he'd still be on the air.

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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ELJTSA76's picture

Shelley is also very much on the hook with all of this too. You can find fault with one and not the other. It is a sad situation, but I believe there is more to the story that may mitigate... also, we don’t know still what the Meyers did or did not do. All we know is what Courtney said happened, that Zach is an alcoholic, the Smiths fought like cats and dogs, and that Meyer may have lied to the media. The actual facts, beyond that, are really unknown. 

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TigerSweat's picture

There are also rumors going around that Courtney was a violent drunk as well. I will reserve judgement on anyone involved until actual facts are presented (other than texts and allegations).

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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DibbleDabble's picture

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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TigerSweat's picture

We don't know beyond a reasonable doubt that Zach is guilty of all the allegations. This is still America and he's protected by the Constitution until a jury of his peers find him guilt or innocent. You're assuming that everything Courtney has said is 100% true... I've been around enough toxic marriages and relationships to know for certain that in most cases both parties did equally shitty things.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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BucksinNYC's picture

I wonder what other news may be uncovered in the scope of the investigation?

Aside from Bruce loyalty to OSU, what does Smith have to lose?

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bucksandsurfing's picture

I don't understand why the University didn't support Urban from the beginning.  Especially if there's no substantive evidence against him.   All this is doing is driving a wedge between Ohio State and Urban.  Even if Urban is cleared, this will certainly strain the relationship between him and the University.  Who wants to work for someone that wants to fire you for drummed up BS charges?  You'll really dedicate yourself to the job when you're employer is trying to fire you for BS reasons.   

Terrible PR from Ohio State.  The University should've said from the beginning Urban did nothing wrong, and we stand behind him.       

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keith7456's picture

If they "wanted" to fire him he would already be fired. I believe this is them doing everything in their power to keep him. This is something that has to be investigated to the fullest. If nothing was done and then something comes out to be true that would be a university KILLER. Ohio state has made every correct move in the last 2 days.

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Garyc's picture

They may after an investigation. It would be silly to say anything until the facts are known. 

 I just hope they don't use him as an escape goat to protect higher ups. 

Garyc

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minnbuck's picture

We can all agree that escape goats are the worst kind of goats...

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Neilwoodgables's picture

UV for coining the new term “escape goat”.  Regardless of what happens that is permanent 11w lingo from now on.

I Hate Michigan.

 

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camcop71's picture

If everyone around the program knew what was going on, them I'm sure he would have been dealt with sooner. If they had any evidence and she cooperated. But she didn't want to lose "her" money. So here we are.

"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” -Joey Bosa, PSU 10/25/14

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

It's clear both Smiths have some co-morbidity issues (mental health and substance abuse at the same time). There is a pattern of behavior often common to people suffering in these circumstances.

Substances change perception and increase emotions. Attention seeking is often present. Those in violent relationships often disclose physical incidents when under the influence - part lowered inhibitions, part attention seeking. These disclosures are often distorted given the altered mind state. Once sober, stories change - not necessarily on purpose, but often based on the altered state. The sober mind realizes potential consequences - especially those related to having said things under the influence and thus, what was disclosed may be minimized or denied all together.

That's my fancy speak for perhaps Courtney gets drunk, starts verbally vomiting all these incidents (not saying they aren't real and not attesting to their accuracy) and then sobers up, realizes she might not have told the WHOLE truth and then back pedals.

Couple that with her reported behaviors (if true) and now you have some major credibility issues - especially for a football coach and his wife who are not mental health professionals. Pretty sure this accounts for the Lindsey text message statement regarding Urban not knowing what to believe.

Just some more food for thought (and mitigating factors for the committee to consider).

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

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villain612's picture

I think Ohio State is very carefully threading a needle here and I believe their actions so far have been the correct path. These are serious allegations against Meyer and they should be taken serious and investigated. Putting him on leave was the right and fair thing to do for Urban and the university - they get a chance to investigate what happened and learn the facts, it helps them from a PR perspective,  and it avoids a rush to judgement on Urban. I am sure Gene Smith (whose job may also be on the line here) and the university WANT to keep Meyer, as long as the facts back him up. I suspect the Meyers understand exactly where the university is coming from. They're smart people.

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Ca114fire's picture

[This comment was deleted by a Mod for violating the commenting policy regarding politics.] 

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westcampus's picture

The paranoia of the OSU fan base is astounding. We're a program that UPGRADED after the Tressel scandal. How many programs get better after a legendary coach is fired? Come on, people. OSU is way bigger than Meyer. And OSU football is a top 5 (minimum) important college sports brand -- nobody is trying to take OSU football down on some witch hunt.

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keith7456's picture

I literally said this to my friend who is freaking out earlier..

Its ohio state they will be fine. Everyone thought we were f****d after tressel and look what happened. Either way they will be a top 5 program consistently. It the most desirable job ever. They will get whoever they want not named saben.

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AngelHeartsBuckeyes's picture

I don't entirely disagree, but let's be honest. We got lucky Urbz was warming a chair at ESecPn.

Is there a coach of his caliber waiting somewhere in the wings?

And don't underestimate the REAL impact of losing Meyer - recruiting. That game is DRAMATICALLY different now - especially out of state kids - especially out of state kids from the South. They probably didn't grow up yearning to play football for the Buckeyes in the snow, BUT they do dream of playing for a coach like Urban and how well he sends kids to the Big League.

Buckeye born and bred. Buckeye til I'm dead.

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brutus0717's picture

I still believe that Urban was waiting for all of the Tatgate stuff. They knew well ahead of time that Tress was going to have to go, imo.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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LoufromOSU's picture

Not necessarily true.  Tressel and the school was preparing to fight it tooth and nail, but then Les and the BOT's decided enough was enough when the Lantern published an interview with Ray Small https://www.thelantern.com/2011/05/ray-small-tells-all-ex-buckeye-says-he-sold-memorabilia-some-players-dont-think-about-rules/  (coupled with some Rob Rose statements).  It was the final straw.  Tressel was called in to meet with Gene the day before Memorial day, and the rest is history.  Tressel agreed to resign to protect the school, and did not fight the allegations.  Then Gene Smith and his team bumbled another investigation that lead to the no-show jobs and booster payments from Bobby D revelations that JT had nothing to do with.   

What I wrote above is accurate whether its public knowledge or not.      

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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LCT's picture

"OSU is way bigger than Meyer."

I'm glad to see this. It's 1000000000% right. Urban's a passive enabling doofus who plays favorites - at best - in all this. OSU doesn't need this mess. Next.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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brunstar's picture

Passive enabling doofus with the highest winning percentage of all modern coaches and 3 national championships who plays favorites.

FIFY

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LCT's picture

Woody Fucking Hayes got fired here.

Nobody's bigger than the institution.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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brunstar's picture

Woody punched a player in the face on national TV.  

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chris's picture

according to Brett McMurphy... that punch was a rumor! Woody was an escape goat!

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Homey1970's picture

Woody may have escaped the Gator Bowl that night with a goat (Tom Cousineau), but I'm sure McMuffinTop would have said the same thing...making Woody a scapegoat.

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Dillon G's picture

Earl Bruce and John Cooper are also Hall of Fame coaches and Ohio State fired them too. All of them since Woody are Hall of Fame coaches, Meyer is still active, that is the difference.

#walkaway

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Give it up LCT. Tress ain't coming back.

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LCT's picture

Of course not. I'd like that but it'll never happen.

Is Urban the sharpest-knife-in-the-drawer CEO who Leads or is he the hypocritical bumbler who kept giving Earle's grandson chance after chance after chance until it landed tOSU on front pages nationwide for not good reasons? Can't be both.

To your point in your thread....if Courtney was showing up at practice bombed & threatening everyone all the time.....Courtney was showing up at practice bombed & threatening everyone all the time......on Urban's watch..........

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CincyOSU's picture

To your point in your thread....if Courtney was showing up at practice bombed & threatening everyone all the time.....Courtney was showing up at practice bombed & threatening everyone all the time......on Urban's watch..........

What? Come on man. You’re just as bad as the other side...you have your mind made up and are going to blame him for anything at this point. I supposed if a player had a heart attack in the WHAC you would blame urban for that too...

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LCT's picture

Please.  If one of my employees had a spouse show up here drunk and making threats the first time would be the last time.

If that's true it's an indictment on Meyer's level of control of the situation & tolerance for BS.  Zach Smith shouldn't have been anywhere near this football program.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Extramedium's picture

Except there aren’t any more Meyer’s out there.  He’s one of the top three recruiters and college coaches on the planet and it’s not close.  Unless we get lucky with an up-and-comer we will take a hit. 

When Tressel was in trouble no one was worried because we knew Meyer was bored and wanted the job.

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Tatum74's picture

TSUN Fans thought they'd be fine too. Coaches matter, and fans are naïve to think Meyer isn't one of the greatest and not easily replaced. There is a risk we find ourselves ironically in the Earle Bruce years wondering what it was like when we hardly ever lost. I'm not worried yet, but let's see out it plays out?

"True role models don't expect to be thanked at the end of the day for what they do. They just do what's Right" - Kyle Maynard

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beavis's picture

westcampus, you are so shallow in your thinking. this isn't about football. this isn't about domestic violence. i don't want to live in a society where all someone has to do is give an interview/write an interenet article/ or point a finger and accuse someone of something and then eveyone say it must be true. there has to be solid evidence to support any claims and then due process. if courtney smith had issues or brett mcmurphy had theories: they should have aired them 3 years ago. they didn't. there is no evidence (to this point) to show urban knew anything. he11, there is no evidence to support that there was anything to know - the source of the finger-pointing is a bitter divorcee who has lost her huge support check now that her ex has lost his job. a job she protected by sealing court documents so nobody could know anything.

grow up.

beavis

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Flying Swamp Rat's picture

The guy who broke the story mcbuttbutt has huge issue with Urb. Check out his interview as he is very pleased with himself. Clearly loves spotlight, and is a dueche

"Let's Roll", Todd Beamer, Flight 93, 9/11

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Dillon G's picture

It is amazing to me how many people think he is lying here. This was follow up to the main presser.

The moron from Cleveland.com must not have heard the answers the first time.

#walkaway

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getcristylove's picture

Never saw this, so thanks for sharing. He doesn’t seem like a man who knew anything from 2015. This response from him seems to indicate that he did due diligence of what he knew when he knew it, and followed proper channels. Also, the comment about the he said, she said and why he didn’t do this or that shows that there will always be criticism that you didn’t do enough. 

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SilverState's picture

After seeing that, I have no doubt in my mind he's telling the truth.

"Year for what?"

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

That's McMurphy with the mustache, right?

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LoufromOSU's picture

Good thing Urban didn't have a gatorade in front of him.  Everyone knows he uses those bottles as weapons.  

"Great moments are born from great opportunities."  - Herb Brooks

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Buck68's picture

Dillon G - thank you for this video clip of the Q&A between Coach Meyer & questioners....

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CincyBuck's picture

Yeah, agreed.  If he's lying, he's one of the best liars I've ever seen. 

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SlickityDarza's picture

Turns out he was lying Dillon lol

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Banks of olentangy's picture

The idiots from the media were banned from practice and they should be banned from covering the investigation. Just pack up your circus and get the hell out of Columbus. And when urb keeps his job they can write their whiny crybaby columns 

Banks of olentangy

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CieGrant_Blitz's picture

In the pathetic media shit storm twitter mob world we live in, we just really need a new story to dominate the news cycle and take the pressure off bringing Urban back sooner vs later 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

That is the beauty of this.  Conduct an investigation to 1.  Buy time for the story to die down; 2) sanction results as having been fully investigated.  The good news is the ADD riddled masses can’t stay focused for more than a few days on one story. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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goodlifesean's picture

Please dont lump those of us with ADHD in with the outrage mob on twitter. Our long term memory is better than our short. The Twitter mafia on the other hand is about the cause du jour

Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.

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Bucks's picture

If any had hope of this coming to a quick conclusion... exit stage left.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Yep this is the next step to quell the masses fake rage. OSU following the script. Feeling better about this after just 24 hours.  #freeurbs

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

4 game suspension with pay being donated to a charity.

Commitee takes it out of Ohio State’s hands allows them to follow that recommendation

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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buckeyenut74's picture

I’ll be pissed if they find nothing more than we know and suspend him 4 games

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goodlifesean's picture

It'll be all about appeasing the outrage mob and the media. We find that urban didn't know of any specific incident, but he did know about the volatility of the situation.... yada yada. Donate 4 games pay to a domestic violence shelter and by November no one remebers. Its all about PR especially with the idiot wrestling doctor stuff

Have you ever seen a fierce animal who you were sure wouldn't bite? Because I haven't.

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brutus0717's picture

Good God, that would be the largest donation they've probably ever seen!

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Dstacify's picture

Zeke got suspended for 6 games last year for accusations that had no evidence to support them and were very likely false. In today's day and age all it takes is the finger being pointed and you are straight up guilty. They unfortunately have to punish Urban to some extent to appease the PC white knights out there. What we can hope for is the team playing angry and balling out during Urban's absence.

11 Strong.

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RBurgundy4's picture

No need for a rushed conclusion. This season's roster is stacked and the staff is experienced. Rather they take all the time they need and get it right. 

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buckeyenut74's picture

The jack wagon that started this then said he didn’t have proof should pay for every freaking penny of this investigation...he started, he pays for it. 

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40 Degrees North's picture

Oh my God.

Fischer and Shumate-2 well connected Columbus folks

Jo Ann Davidson-90 year old. Very much a pro-women type too. Even though she’s an R, I would bet she did not vote R in 2016.

Carter Stewart-Fun fact: his office’s investigation of Edward Rife led to Tatgate and the downfall of Jim Tressel

Craig Morford-top lawyer at Cardinal Health and I believe when he was US Attorney prosecuted Jim Traficant

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Jeff is a passionate guy's picture

Free Urban.

I’m Jeff, and I approve this message.

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McGrind's picture

Watching Urb...NOT the answer you would give if you were trying to create some wiggle room...could of said he heard some rumors, some innuendo but never anything direct from Courtney or the authorities. He either heard nothing...or just built his own coffin. 

His body language and mannerism indicate a true response...or a pure pathological liar who would pass a lie detector test with flying colors.

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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btalbert25's picture

Aren't major college coaches all kind of pathological liars?  Recruiting is built on it!

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SlickityDarza's picture

I guess he's a pure pathological liar then lol

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brunstar's picture

Get we get an 11W breakdown on who these people are and their accomplishments tomorrow? 

I'm a little relieved it's an independent working group instead of a kangaroo court.  I thin Urban has a chance at a fair investigation now.  It might just be a long investigation.

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RBloodworth's picture

Guys, PLEASE stop repeating things you read in that message board post from Bucknuts about Courtney Smith abusing 911, having multiple DUIs and generally behaving like an unstable alcoholic.  There are multiple points in that post that have already been disproven as outright lies (the pictures in McMurphy’s story were from 2010, yet were somehow taken with a phone that wasn’t made until 2013;  911 dispatchers refused to send police out to investigate her claims, when it would be literally ILLEGAL for them to do so even if she was a crank;  etc.).  STOP.  SPREADING.  FAKE.  NEWS.  It does no one any good here.  Unless you hear something from a reputable source, don’t repeat it.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

It is not fake news, It is blatant rumor.

But you make a fair point.  I also think it may be time to take it down

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TigerSweat's picture

Who decides which sources are reputable or not? Is that your call?

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Buckeye Jack's picture

"The investigators have interviewed more than 200 individuals, and reviewed more than 300,000 pages of documents. We have found no evidence of wrongdoing by Urban Meyer or his staff. Coach Meyer has been reinstated.

We have, however, found that improvements can and should be made to the systems designed to facilitate prompt reporting of domestic abuse by anyone associated with the university. These new guidelines will be facilitated as soon as practically possible."

Like that?  By August 10?  A lovely Friday news dump?

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va_buck's picture

My biggest gripes.  Nobody calling McDufass out for lying.  Nobody mentioning the 3 suspensions of players for DV (proven or unproven).  and nobody is interviewing Courtney's parents and asking them tough questions.

VA_Buck

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Thundermoose87's picture

What Brett reported is so full of holes. Watching his interview, and Courtney’s interview, made it look like there’s three sides to the story pertaining to what “we think” people knew: Courtney’s, Brett’s, and Brett’s report. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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Ca114fire's picture

So its only slightly better than Mark May, Harbaugh and every SEC coach leading this "independent" investigation.

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Urbanologist's picture

My worry is thatour board of Regents have no spine. When shit hit the fan with Tressel our boy Gordan Gee was ready to tell the media and everyone else to suck it, he wasnt firing Tress for protecting his boys from a bullshit ncaa rule, Gee more or less did. But the the board got involved and Tress was out. Seems to me that the boarrd is not concerned with whats right, but rather whats the path of least resistance. 

Theire is only one truth...

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Jeff is a passionate guy's picture

You’re 1000% correct.

These Board decisions are usually geared toward PC appeasement.

What are Gene & Drake getting paid the big bucks for? To pass off the responsibility to others? Pretty spineless. 

I hope they do the right thing, and stand behind Urban. The media can suck it.

I’m Jeff, and I approve this message.

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villain612's picture

The Board has a responsibility to protect the Ohio State University. Not Urban Meyer. The football team is just one part of a huge infrastructure. 

Oh...and Tressel lied directly to the NCAA. He deserved to be fired.

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TigerSweat's picture

Ok. What about all of the coaches who have had very similar scenarios play out within their program that weren't brought to light? Do they still deserve to have a job? I guarantee that every single major program has had deal with similar crap

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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nickel beer's picture

I think Drake is the key.  He's had a record of no tolerance in his decision-making for things of this nature and this is of extraordinary magnitude.  It's not about the band.  It's in his interest to put himself at a distance from this crisis and, given the ongoing wrestling and diving issues, it's understandable he'd want the investigation separate from the AD, too.  It does seem like a Pilate maneuver, but really, for the purposes of this investigation, it might be the best thing to do for the school internally, as well as from the perspective outside of the school..

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hodge's picture

Tress wasn't protecting his boys from a bullshit NCAA rule -- he purposely withheld that knowledge because he didn't want them getting caught up in Rife's FBI investigation.  No matter how noble his intentions may have been (we'll never know -- and let's not pretend that they weren't some of the most important members of that team), he knowingly played ineligible players.  

If Urban knowingly employed a wife beater, I'd hope the BOT would kick him out without hesitation.  However, I'm inclined to believe it was nowhere near that cut and dry (fighting couple, he said/she said, no police charges, etc.) -- and that's why OSU is investigating.  If they wanted the path of least resistance, he'd have been fired as soon as McMurphy's report dropped.

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BuckeyeMike2002's picture

I have been pretty frustrated today listening to the media damn and condemn UFM without complete information.

I believe Urban wanted to help Zach Smith, Smith played for him at BG. Earle Bruce was a mentor. Of course Urban went above and beyond to help him. As soon as it became criminal, Urban cut him loose. I believe Urban and Shelley Myer were trying to do the right thing. Whether they broke a rule in a contract, I don't know. Urban has given a lot of second and third chances to a lot of people. Coaches do that because they care about the people they coach, there is a bond of loyalty there that is apparent.

I hope Urban survives this. I don't think Zach Smith is a good person at all. I think Courtney Smith  is just as messed up as he is. I think the committee means the university would like to keep him. I hope the lynch mob of public opinion doesn't force the university to move before the results of the investigation.

What a mess.

Q: What is the difference between the Michigan Football Team and a bag of crap. A: The Bag.

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Dillon G's picture

Meyer did nothing immoral or illegal, and they could fire him anyway to appease.

#walkaway

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Thundermoose87's picture

Truth should matter more than public opinion so I hope they don’t care about appeasement. This isn’t Tennessee....hopefully.  

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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TigerSweat's picture

Sadly, the keyboard virtue signalling warriors have the final say until someone stands up to them and tell them to fuck off back to their safe spaces.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Thundermoose87's picture

That’s why I think Courtney and McMurphy should face repercussions if it’s shown Urban didn’t break any laws or obligations. Media is for accountability until they manufacture, or twist, details to make a story. Then it’s time to hold them accountable. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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BucksHave7's picture

Sue espn and McMurphy for Slander.  

BucksHave7

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Dillon G's picture

Jim Tressel was fired because of a phony SI article that got exactly what it wanted. Not because of TP selling and not disclosing. Tressel was suspended for it. Ohio State moved to end the charade.

#walkaway

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CincyOSU's picture

Tress got fired because he LIED about what he knew about his players breaking an asinine NCAA rule. If he tells the truth, he’s still our coach. 

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Dillon G's picture

No, he was suspended for doing what is legal and not talking about an ongoing investigation.

#walkaway

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Buckeyedoc99200's picture

Geez. I just hope this thing gets wrapped up one way or the other quickly.

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maximumblitz's picture

My worry is that many/most allegations will neither be able to be proved nor disproved.

With that ambiguity, that would leave people free to have opinions on both sides. My guess will likely be that more people will think Urban is guilty, than vice versa.

Thus the board will likely have to make a political decision and fire Urban, because that is what is "best for the University".

I might have hoped that things could be proven or disproven.

Also, if the facts cannot be determined by the court, my guess is that the DRVO will likely stand. My understanding of what is coming up is simply a DVRO hearing, and the objective is not really to ferret out the truth.

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Thundermoose87's picture

I wander if the reporters slamming Urban will be made to take it all back if he’s cleared? People are out here talking like he’s the anti-Christ. 

“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13

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Josh P's picture

“You have all been told a bunch of fantastic lies” 

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Kernfan's picture

Not sure how well the committee will be able to untangle this mess. But at least they seem like people competent to deal with an issue that has a media circus swirling around it.  

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buckeyepastor's picture

Bunch of politically connected attorneys.  I’m surprised Meyer isn’t already fired.  They are ultimately there to cover the university’s butt from a political and legal perspective, which means fire the coach and move on.  

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Greenbriar's picture

I fear he is lying. I don’t believe he would have fired Smith if the only thing he knew about after 2009 was 2018. Only hope is if he did know and did report and the media day answers were weird technical denials.

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brunstar's picture

Courtney Smith sealed the police reports specifically so Zach Smith wouldn’t be fired in 2015.

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Darnell's picture

Isn't it possible Urban, and everyone of the coaches and wives for that matter, knew that Zach and Courtney had a troubled, toxic relationship that included many fights and run ins with the authorities?  Especially if they both have drinking issues, and the stories of her showing up to the WHAC intoxicated on multiple occasions trying to chase down Zach are true?  Isn't it also possible then that Urban didn't know about a specific incident in 2015, which is what he denied at Big Ten media days?  Especially if no charges were filed and records were concealed?

That text that says "Urban doesn't know what to think about this".  I think that is referring to their relationship as a whole, not a specific incident in 2015 as Brett McMurphy would like everyone to believe.  All the coaches and wives knew their relationship was rough.  They did not however know there was physical abuse.  And there were no charges/arrests to prove it.  If charges had been filed or he was arrested in 2015, I imagine he would have been gone then.

What if, after 2009, Urban told Zach if anything else ever happens, he would be gone?  Next thing that happened was in 2018, and he's gone.

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DarthSweaterVest's picture

I haven’t seen this point if anyone has made but the actual texts released have no actual mention of domestic violence. 

I am with you! A lot of women stay hoping it will get better. I don't blame you! But just want u to be safe. Do you have a restraining order? He scares me."

while that definitely could speak to domestic violence it could mean many other things. He punched a wall. He broke a window. Why take only that snippet of her “many texts” with Shelley

and the other texts to mrs volitini are also very general  

Courtney: "[Zach's] trying to make me look crazy bc that's what Shelley is saying [he's doing]"
Lindsey: "[Urban] just said [Zach] denied everything" 
Courtney: "I hope urban is smarter than that"
Lindsey: "[Urban] doesn't know what to think"
Courtney: "I don't really care. Ya know"
Lindsey: "Yeah, don't worry about urb"

urban doesn’t know what to think about what exactly?  Again this could be referring to a whole host of things that aren’t actual domestic violence  

just something I find interesting in their “proof”

If only you knew the POWER of the Dark Side

 

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

With all the craziness going on in the world it's nice to sit back, chill, and read a little bit about how the buckeyes are doing these day ... OK let's scan through a few articles and see how practice and recruiting are going ... WTF!!!!! ARRRRRRRG!!!!!!!

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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Greenbriar's picture

They will get Urban and Shelley’s texts. Those texts will tell a lot. And if Urban or Shelley refuses to give up phone, he will definitely be fired. 

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brunstar's picture

Unless they both have burner phones.

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maximumblitz's picture

How far back does a high end mobile phone save texts?  

Urban probably doers more texting than most people.

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ohst8buxCP's picture

Depends on the phone settings and the wireless service. I would be surprised if they still had texts from 2015.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

Ha ha no.  How many texts do you still have on your phone from 2015?  They can try and get them from the carrier but most companies keep them for about 6 months.

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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brunstar's picture

Phone companies might still have records.  I assume the federal government does as well, but it wouldn’t  share anything for a civil case.

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Dmac3212's picture

Its' a company phone, they have the rights to all messages

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brunstar's picture

Good call, but he can still use a personal phone not provided by the university. 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

one thing is true, and not that he'd need it, but if Urban's millions can't buy enough of the best lawyers to get him out of this then this just isn't america anymore

Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month

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BuckNutzGasMan's picture

This whole thing is kind of a load of shit

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Qujo's picture

This is ugly and it is a he said she said. I feel for Courtney Smith the rest in the end doesn’t really matter in the bigger scheme of life.  I hope real Karma smacks Zach Smith in the face. Unfortunately because of a marital situation and no charges filed or in the case of 2015 no arrest made, OSU loses either way – they either lose millions of dollars being sued by Meyer and lose a significant future revenue stream by dealing with unknown coaching abilities for the future, fan dissatisfaction or otherwise. If they retain Meyer then what are OSU liabilities potentially with Title 9? No one wins. I will say this, I don’t know what the truth is but I tend to believe Urban and OSU is in a position where they have to determine the lesser of two evils. I hope OSU does the right thing if Urban didn’t know and not cow to the media, all enjoying increased ratings at OSU’s expense.  Since there is no factual details (to date) that Urban knew, and if the investigation ends with him supposedly not knowing then I would suspend him for some amount of games for the fact he should have known (I guess?). Lastly having lived through the minute by minute dredging of OSU during the tat “scandal” for months with the media all calling for the death penalty, admittedly I have my chest bowed because once again the national media is having a negative heyday with this and all are saying Urban is supporting a wife beater and should be fired. It isn’t that simple. They love a scandal and like most human behavior want to see those on the top fail. I hope OSU does the right thing here and it may not be the most popular with the media. 

"Tough times don't last, tough people do" - Gregory Peck

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bucks4nuts's picture

Title 9 is not the case here per this lady tonight and other reports

.. https://twitter.com/colemanespn/status/1025210938272690176?s=21

i follow someone very close to the Meyer family on Social media.. Very.. and they have been outspoken about full detail etc 

"To The House"

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ashtabulassassin's picture

if anything fines donated not suspensions

Buckshots... always there for you if you missed the news last month

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TheDizzle's picture

GREAT NEWS. Committee ensures that public opinion is basically nullified, Ohio State wont make an emotional decision. The substantial evidence is on Urban's side

"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish" - Charlie Chaplin

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Osu1997rk's picture

Paul Finebaum is a clown!!!!!

One man that has a mind and knows it can always beat ten men who haven't and don't.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

The story is already starting to die down. It won't go away, of course, and we as Buckeye fans will be more obsessed with it than anyone else out there, including the national media that everyone loves to scapegoat. The deliberate nature of the independent group, however, will actually take advantage of the fickle nature of the national audience to give themselves time to reach a responsible conclusion. Whether Meyer stays or not (and I think he will), it will not be front page news nationally through the decision. It's already in the small print on most non-OSU sites. 

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Baroclinicity's picture

Radio shows still nearly completely devoted to it as of Thu. evening...

Priority #1:  Beat Michigan

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ScarletNGrey01's picture

Wishful thinking look at the front page of cnn.com

The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes

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DesertBuck2018's picture

Let me give you one simple example of how uninformed the media reporting has been and how incredible the rush to judgment has been:  Yes, Courtney Smith was granted a protective order by the Delaware County Court on July 20, but what none of the news stories tell you is that the order was granted ex parte. That's a legal term that means that only Courtney Smith was present in court, Zach Smith was not, he did not even have advance notice she was going to court. The only evidence the protective order was based on was whatever Courtney Smith told the judge.

Incredible, isn't it? Under laws like Ohio's, someone can get a protective order against YOU with absolutely NO notice, have it served on you in your home by the county sheriff, and then have it sprayed all over the news and made a part of your record FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE without you ever having had ANY chance to defend yourself. Hard to believe that in America this is true, but it is.

Did Zach Smith actually do whatever it is that Courtney Smith told the judge he did? He will get his first chance to defend himself when he gets his hearing on September 14th, and maybe then we will have a better idea.  To be sure, most of the time these requests for ex parte protective orders are completely legitimate ... but every once in awhile - 5% to 10% of the time I believe is the statistic - the accusation is false.

There are a lot of rumors flying around message boards about what Courtney Smith may have done over the past few months and years, and I am not going to repeat them here. But Zach Smith's lawyer was very clear in his statement: Courtney Smith "weaponized 911" and "Once [Zach] gets his chance to tell his side of events, don’t be surprised when it is corroborated by every police who ever responded to Ms. Smith’s calls." 

We have to wait another few weeks, but then we're going to find out a lot more about Courtney Smith, and about whether she has been telling the truth or not, and maybe even whether she has been inventing accusations against her ex-husband. I don't know what the truth is, but I do know that if he abused her, he would not be the first ex-husband to do that ... but on the other hand, if she has made things up about him that are not true or she has staged events to try to make it look bad for him, she would not be the first ex-wife to have done that, either.

An awful lot is riding on whether Courtney Smith has been telling the truth. And if it turns out she has not been telling the truth, Urban Meyer will be coaching the Buckeyes for as long as he wants to coach them.

Go Bucks! Beat Michigan!  OH!

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Buck68's picture

DesertBuck2018 - a self-controlled, reasoned post about our legal adversarial process.

Is it not probative to ask again that ancient question:  "what is Truth"?  The latest, 'appropriate' answer is 'my truth'... which is 'telling'.

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Deano's picture

Let's hope the committee finds a truth and that justice is done.  This shows me the University is going to hope to either prove yes, Urban is a scumbag and we are firing him with cause, or that no, we have no proof Urban knew anything, he keeps his job.

I'm at peace with either of those outcomes, so long as they are based in truth.

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buckeyearchie76's picture

This may be nothing but----if you listened yesterday on television as they read a statement from Urban immediately after this hit the fan.  When he was told that they were forming a committee to investigate him, he last response was--and I paraphrase---good, let's form the committee and get this investigation going.  To me, that does NOT seem like a remark a guilty guy would say.  Sounds like coach is going to have some interesting things to tell all of us.  

Louis Haynes

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KerryEffinCoombs's picture

As someone who has responsibility over others in the workplace, I struggle with some of this story. If I were Urban, what would I have done? Nobody seems to be asking, what does everyone think he should have done? From my reading of this story, I can't imagine that Courtney actually wanted Zach fired. How would that have made anything better? If you believe everything that is being reported, it seems that the best course of action would be to show support for Courtney and encourage her to be proactive and do something herself, for her. Support her in any way possible, but taking away the livelihood of the whole family seems like it would just have made matters worse. Now that they are separated/divorced, I think it's not much of an issue, but when they were together, I think that would have just exacerbated the situation. I'm open to comments/suggestions/criticisms of my thoughts here. I'm not set on things; this really is something that I am struggling with. Thoughts?

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Blackcoffee's picture

Urban and Shelley in all likelihood discussed the Melrose Lake lake house down around G'ville. Wonderin bout all the implications on their personal life with regard to the Zach Courtney shit show. Sheesh, why wouldn't they. Say fuck all this BS in the name of standing by a scumbag person/coach and the ultimate idiotic marriage and divorce of two people they honestly believed in their heart of hearts they could help. Uran and his lawyers in all likelihood drew up a buyout plan and hinted of it to
Gene and co. Perhaps Gene and co. looked it over and asked Urban to first let them do this invesigation. I lived in thhe Gville area for 9 years, as a student and civilian. Alachua county Micanopy Paynes Prarie... Could do worse. Part of me thinks this investigation is not about exonerating Urban from any guilt(?) and more about the institutions worries concerning any possible NCAA enquiries. Could be a liitle of both. Do not think this is something Urban wanted to happen mainly becauseuse the investigation concerns his wife and probably he doesn't want her to be caught up more than she already has. She probably told him "its all good, fuck 'em we did the right thing" something long those lines.

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rjmatrim's picture

Perhaps this has been posted, however let me make this comment. I have experience and knowledge regarding Tells and interview techniques. I can't help but share this. The "Tells" and potential lack of credibility of Courtney jump off the screen. There are many potential credibility issues with this person. It will be obvious to a trained person. Obvious!

I am surprised that so many have made detrimental conclusions about Coach Meyer based on the interview tape (and I guess the 3 year old texts).

The Tells are many and consistent and should, at the least, give every objective person pause and not to pass judgement until and after a thorough examination. 

Besides the "Tells", there are several examples of statements that lacked credibility. Even in the last 20-30 seconds it was obvious that Courtney made inconsistent statements, was coached and table setting for a lawsuit. Just watch/observe the last answer, the continued elaboration of, 'the protective mother", "hope he never lets it happen again", society-"young people need protection", "next time". 

If the OSU/Meyer attorney wants to reach out to me I can give contact for experts to consult with. It will be helpful. I would guess that they know experts, but just in case. 

Best,

robert mitchell 

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Buck68's picture

rjmatrim.

likewise; but, practical application & personal 'experience'.

thanks for your proffer to tOSU re: observations, and ref offer.  We do need reminding on occasion; especially, those things we 'already know.'

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CincyBuck's picture

Huh?  You just said the word "tells" a bunch of times.  Then failed to point out any actual "tells."

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DEF D's picture

Thank you Gene Smith. Nonsensical $ grab with this deal and the wrestling B.S. Stand firm against the crazy eyes.

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sidz-z's picture

I have to believe as someone wrote earlier that they probably did have a trainwreck of a marriage.  There probably was a lot of fighting and a lot of drama, and believe me divorce is ugly.  UFM probably did hear stories of fighting, what he did to her, and what she did to him.  It's easy for a couple to fight, one or the other gets pissed off and calls the cops.  Accusations will fly, but no charges were filed and no one was arrested until recently.  When Smith got arrested, he was let go.  I guess it's all going to come to who knew what and when they knew it.  There may have been crimes committed by both parties within the Smith household, but I don't think there was ever any type of "cover-up" to protect this POS Zach Smith.  IMHO, whether UFM knew anything is irrelevant, when Smith's actions got arrested and charged, affected the university, he was dealt with accordingly, before that it's all hear say.  This whole thing is ridiculous.   

Good player's make the play's they're suppose to, great player's make the play's they're NOT !!!

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JNRBUCKEYE's picture

Heh every news story says the same thing ALLEGATIONS of spousal abuse... IF that assistant coach HAD BEEN CONVICTED 3 YEARS AGO then WHY don't the reports say CONVICTED instead of ALLEGED?! [This comment was edited for violating the commenting policy regarding politics.] 

JNRBUCKEYE

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Neilwoodgables's picture

Robert Mueller has no integrity eh?

I Hate Michigan.

 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Not sure how this is not a political take.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

No, just would rather keep politics out of it as it takes the conversation in a completely different direction. There is plenty of intelligent dialogue to be had about the validity of the charges, Meyer's culpability, Courtney Smith's role, etc. without dragging names like Mueller, Trump and others into this. There are plenty of sites for those worthy conversations. 

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JNRBUCKEYE's picture

This is 100% result of a hack politically motivated movement in this country it's been going on for couple years now all is needed is an accusation without merit even and then it is blown up by the propagandist media and now the vultures are at Ohio State

JNRBUCKEYE

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OSUFlash's picture

This board better so what's right not what's easy. Title 9 and METOO assume everyone is guilty which is a big pile of #$@!. I'm surprised Tressel isn't guilty in this too.

osuflash

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45has2's picture

Memo to Ryan Day: Study the pressers of Saban, Belichick & Dantonio, only divulge to media scumbags what is contractually required of you by your employer, and constantly repeat the mantra....No comment   No comment  No comment  No comment.

Censores irrumasti.

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OH-IO's picture

A gym buddy read me a text from a Powell PD buddy this morning. She is know by the PD as a complete whack job. Called 911 60 some times in 90 days. They stopped responding. Was pulled over 3 times for OVI but was taken home an not charged. She showed up drunk 3 times at practice making a scene. The Powell PD will be testifying on HIS behalf. There is a LOT more to come out. It takes two to tango. 

OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville

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Garyc's picture

The reporter had some text messages to Shelley from Smith, but what if this was something that was happening hundreds of times (texting) and you begin to get numb to the situation. 

Garyc

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

This is a very positive development imo.  You don't need to go to so much trouble to fire some one.  This looks like something designed to make not firing him bullet proof or at least fire resistant.   Up until this I was of the opinion that Meyer would probably be fired.  Not that he should be, but that he would be nonetheless.  Now I think he is going to come through unless the investigation comes up with something that has not as of yet been revealed.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

My cynicism toward politics and lawyers and legislators tells me Urban doesn't coach at all this year because the investigation runs into December. I hope my cynical side is wrong. But I also DO want Urban to get due process in all this and if that takes the rest of the year so be it. Football aside, Urban, as any U.S. Citizen, deserves their due process regardless of what the public opinion of him is. 

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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MABuck's picture

I think there is a bad assumption being made by nearly everyone.  Everyone believes Courneyand in turn thinks ‘what Urban knew’ involves real abuse.  What if if it’s just drama from a dysfunctional marriage, and there was no abuse?  Pictures do not prove anything unless they are cooperated by police and hospital documentation, in court, not public opinion.   

Doesnt it seem odd that the police never proceeded filing charges even if she elected not to?

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TXNut2488's picture

^^ This ^^

I think it's clear that they Meyers knew SOMETHING, as did everyone involved with OSU it seems. The key to all of this is did they know about physical violence. With that McMurphy has dropped, there is nothing that shows the texts are about physical violence. I've seen a few different ideas ranging from Courtney just being a bad relationship (obviously) to the texts being about Urban knowing about HER issues.

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Darnell's picture

I’ve started to wonder about the texts as well.  Why not provide texts between Shelly and Courtney that specifically mention physical abuse or injuries sustained from it?  If Courtney was taking screenshots back then of texts, why not screenshot the most direct evidence?  Makes one think a little...

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

Not really.  I am not a legal expert, but in these types of cases I don't think charges can be independently filed if the victim refuses to agree to them.  If he had killed her then the state has the right to file charges regardless of who agrees. 

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TXNut2488's picture

Don't live in OH so could be wrong, but from what others have been saying...if the police saw signs of physical abuse then they HAVE to arrest him whether Courtney wanted to press charges or not.

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wigmon's picture

This is correct.  Police in oh must arrest the accuse in a domestic violence claim if there is physical evidence present, regardless of whether the accuser wants to press charges.  law went into affect in early 2015.

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JObucks's picture

The way the university is handling this is uping the percentage that he coaches again. Keep him out of the spotlight. Let the media have its day. Let another group decide if there was wrong doing.

Go for 3.

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NEOHIO89's picture

Whaaaaaaaaaaa... If thats true, my mind is blown.

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Homey1970's picture

If true, this description would actually make a lot of sense.

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Buckeye_in_OK's picture

I am not in Ohio, and have been up able to follow the most up to date news feeds/rumors etc.  But I do have a question.  

Has it been verified that the text from Courtney to Shelley were indeed in 2015?  The reason why I ask is because if that's not the case then Urban didn't lie.   They asked him did he know in 2015?  I think Urban is too smart of a man and has integrity to sit up there and directly lie to reporters.  Just does not seem like something he would do.  Now we all know we are often surprised on how ppl act behind closed doors and sometimes their true character is revealed,  but I still just don't see that happening.  

IF it did.  Then yes, we have some big issues.  

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

I haven't  yet heard that Shelley Meyer has denied the truthfulness of anything claiming to involve her.  I find it hard to believe if these things were not truthful that there would not have been a statement from the Meyer's saying so.  I don't see the value in letting someone lie about your involvement is something and not disputing it. 

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wigmon's picture

The texts in question discuss the pending or just completed divorce, so that would indicate 2015.  However, in those texts, smith does not claim any violence had occurred recently, only that she was seeking a restraining order.  shelley did make mention of photos in those texts, but smith did not, which seems to imply the photos would have been something in the past, with no date known.

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jbuckeye007's picture

When/where are the Rallys to support Meyer???

If OSU does the unthinkable, my fear is hardballs gets fired and tsun Immediately  hires Urban

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NEOHIO89's picture

hahahaha what a twist of fate that would be

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TkeBuck's picture

the recent segment on Cowherd points to:

1. lets hear the investigative findings before 'sentencing'.

2. urban knows the rules so well that it is truly unbelievable that he would not have reported it to compliance person or smith himself 

3. urban so believes in honesty that it is hard to fathom that he would lie.

4. to think his wife/life partner/associate/partner wouldnt disclose her knowledge to him is a tough nut to swallow.

5. having said all of the above, urban is probably gone.

klusewski

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BucksHave7's picture

Cowherd is the best.  Always well thought out and impartial.

BucksHave7

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TkeBuck's picture

i hate the national media transitioning into 'hater mode'. predictable, but deplorable. 

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SpiderBuckeyes's picture

Why is it important on whether or whether not he knew? If he knew, it doesn't mean he lied to cover up his own crime. If he knew and lied, it would be one or a few of millions of reasons like protecting their privacy, didn't want to make a circus, etc. Before the trepass incident, he didn't have to fire him, because Courtney didn't file charge and he wasn't found guilty. Should we fire anyone based on allegations? I don't get why he's on adm leave and have him under investigation.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

There seems to be some disagreement over whether Ohio State's interpretation of Title IX's mandated reporting extends to spouses of employees, or simply to students. I can't say I know for sure myself what the policy states legally. That would be the argument, however, as to why it's important to know whether Meyer knew or not, and what he did if he did know. It's my opinion that the administrative leave is an attempt to buy time and sanity in this matter. I think it's working. 

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Go1Bucks's picture

Title 9 is a joke

Go Buckeyes!

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Go1Bucks's picture

This story should seem familiar...
The trustees and dbag Gene Smith are gearing up to throw UM under the bus just like Tressel, using a boohoo social media storm that tries people on a biased platform with little or no proof.

Go Buckeyes!

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jbuck85's picture

Enough is enough, I am done. I grew up in the shadow of the Horseshoe. Woody knew it and after many years I finally get it. Ohio State does not care about the football program, sports in general, or their supporters. As a fan, I cared more about the teams than the academics / employees who run it all. It is over for me. I was a fan of Ohio State athletics. I never attended the school, they can close the school tomorrow and I could care less, I was there for the sports. I will always hope they do well. I hope they win all of the national championships in all of the sports moving forward, but I will not be a fanatic anymore for an institution that constantly abandons those that put money in their coffers to bend to the will of public opinion / political correctness. History proves they screw us at every opportunity they are given, Hayes, Tressel, and now Meyer. Screw them, I will no longer throw my money into their pot. If anyone has a different opinion, I welcome your response / thoughts. God Bless! 

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D'zbucknutz's picture

I feel so bad for our players, this is the last thing our guys need running through their heads as they start fall camp today.  I truly hope we can get this figured out, and get this put to bed very soon.  I trust Ryan, Greg and the guys to keep them focused, but if you think for than one second our guys are 100% mentally in it today your wrong, the media has made sure of that.  Godspeed with their investigation, this needs squashed soon...

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes on Losing & Winning

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jbuck85's picture

Nutz I wish you the best. Unfortunately this is their problem, this won't be their last investigation. It will always be a pending investigation or the next investigation on the horizon. Today in the world of social media everything at every turn is on trial in the matter of public opinion. Ohio State will bend, every time, to their whim. If you are a fan of the university, I wish you the best, if you are a sports fan, move on to the pros now. Unfortunately for me, that means the Cleveland Browns, who I will continue to support, that is a different sad story.

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hetuck's picture

Anyone know if the investigation materials will  be subject to FOIA? That will determine level of candor.

I don't see the 3/4 game suspension. Either he knew about the 2015 police incident or he didn't. Firing or exoneration. If exonerated, I can hear the "But he should have known" cries now. I don't buy it & that shouldn't be the basis for a slap on the wrist. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

I agree with you on the exonerated or fired stance personally, except the factor that tOSU has an image and brand that regardless of how this turns out, that is even if Urban is exonerated, has taken a hit. I saw somewhere in the 5000 threads/webpages/tweets ive read in the past 48 hours that maintaining tOSUs image is essentially part of Urbans contract. So they could justify suspending him for X amount of games based on that part IMO.

Again, this literally happened at the worst possible time for Urban and tOSU. I think if all this transpired last year, its probably not anywhere near as big of an event. But the media has really dragged Urban and tOSUs reputation the mud. They probably are going to do something to clean that up a bit.

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HENRYJONESJR's picture

There is a lot of speculation - so I am going to try mine.  Smith did not want to lose the money her husband was making, and if Urban found out he would have lost his job.  So while talking with Shelley she says - "you cannot tell Urban, it will only make things worse for me and our kids - you have to promise me you will not tell him."  So Shelley trying to do the right thing and help the kids - she did not tell Urban knowing he would fire him.  

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D'zbucknutz's picture

Back at ya Jbuck, we have a great squad this year, loads of talent returning and a lot of fresh blood out there on the field ready to make an impact!  As a lifelong fan, I want to see the current team given the opportunities the other teams have had, distractions are going to happen and I understand this.  I think The University has done the right thing to mitigate this distraction as much as possible, but a distraction it remains.  Totally sucks we are even going through this crap right now, a quick turnaround is all we can pray for at this point.  After all, we gotta big September coming up!!  Oh, and I wish our Browns all the best too this year! 

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes on Losing & Winning

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BuckeyeZ23's picture

Something that I think would help Urban, Shelley, The University, and all the “he knew = he is an enabler” and friends of abuse victims everywhere is to interview someone from or read the national domestic abuse phone/website. 

I can tell you that it explicitly states the absolute wrong thing you can do is take the management of the abusive relationship away from the abused. You can read for yourself why. 

Then you can sit back and ask yourself about how disingenuous all these “he knew = he’s enabler “ people really are to propogating blanket actions in these situations. 

At this point I think this panel and OSU has a responsibility to address domestic violence and how to handle it first. (See website)

then address Urbans handling of it. 

After reading the suggestions from the websites I’m more inclined to say Urban and Shelley did what they were supposed to do as Human beings in this situation period. If You want to argue that they were wrong in what they did as it relates to university policy or football I guess we know where your priority is focused

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Buckeye4life23's picture

Urban is safe, Gene Smith will be gone as result of this committee.  Calling it.

I am here for the same reason you are.

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DibbleDabble's picture

This is an interesting take.  We haven't heard from Gene yet, have we?  Or Drake.  If Urban DID let Gene know about rumors in 2015, then this may fall on Gene and validate Urbs.  Interesting.  Genie... did you drop the ball??

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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Buckeye4life23's picture

You got it.

I am here for the same reason you are.

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Wildone's picture

Why does it always seem like ESPN has a hard on for Ohio State!?  I have listened to ESPNU radio for several hours each of the past 3 days. There is so much speculation that is being shared, accusations cast and just plain wild statements that are without merit and not befitting of a news organization. Title IX violations - there are none. NCAA violations - there are none. I have not heard too many that have not called for Urban;s head, and why is that? I think they have their boxers in a knot because he may have lied to them. As if the media never lies to us, This whole thing smacks of a campaign to malign Urban and/or Ohio State. We do not have enough of the story yet, so we should not be trying it in the court of public opinion. 

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D'zbucknutz's picture

Hater'z... and I bet most of them have journalism degrees from TSUN... cept Herbs.  

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes on Losing & Winning

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BucksHave7's picture

Because ESPN is dying for ratings, literally laying off employees everyday.  

The tOSU hate all started when Dick Vitale was caught on air during during a commercial break on a hot mike during a buckeye hoops game calling Lawrence Funderburke's play a bush league play.  I believe tOSU took action as result and ESPN has gone way downhill since then. 

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D'zbucknutz's picture

Ya... and because Mark May is D-Bag.

"There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you." - Woody Hayes on Losing & Winning

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fear_the_nut70's picture

ESPN, like all media outlets, care only about ratings and will whore themselves out for viewers and clicks since this is what keeps the lights on and the bills paid.  Ohio State is a huge interest story from the legion of fans to all the haters that want to see them fail.  We no longer do news in this country, but rather entertainment masquerading as news.  I won't get into the political reason for this because of site rules, but let's just say that the media is another casualty of the everything must make a buck capitalism mentality in this country.  From this perspective, it is easy to understand why things play out like they do in the media.  Finally, as much as I am not a fan of ESPN, they hardly stick out in their behavior here, and one can argue they were last to the dance on this story--they just stick out to you now because they are the biggest sports entertainment conglomerate in the market. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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BucksHave7's picture

Im struggling with what we are being as Urban's Title IX obligation language inserted in Urban's recent March 27, 2018 contract renewal.   

He was supposed to report something from 2015 at that time?

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NOVABucknut's picture

Is Bob Stoops available?

To crush *ichigan, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their pompous fans

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Wildone's picture

I am not a Title IX expert. (although I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.) It is in regard to reporting abuse AND allegations of abuse against students and on campus or at school-sponsored events. Ms Smith is not a student, and the house in Powell is not a part of OSU. I also heard the author of the article speculate that Shelley was bound by Hipaa to report the abuse to her superiors.  What!? That is just flat out bad reporting. It is just wrong. He has no idea of what he is talking about. If anything, it could be construed she was bound by Hipaa to NOT say anything to Urban. 

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jbuck85's picture

There are zero Title IX issues.

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rockdoc1942's picture

You guys have thoroughly discussed all facets of this issue. I hope that Urban isn't just thrown under the bus but that the special committee appointed by OSU does a thorough and unbiased job so that Urban gets whatever justice he is due.

I taught at a university for 25 years and have been retired for 15 years. One thing that was true when I was employed is still true today: Too many males have a strong bias against and disregard for women in the college arena and in society at large.

Daniel R. Tucker

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