Timeline of Events That Led to the Firing of Zach Smith and the Suspensions of Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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JOhio1560's picture

Fuck Michigan!

I'm not finished!  Before we let you leave, your commander must cross that field, present himself before this army, put his head between his legs, and kiss his own arse.

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Silver Sniper's picture

All I was thinking was the first word, but including the second one works even better! Well done!

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buckeye_in_WI's picture

Jan 7, 2019 - Urban Meyer and The Ohio State Buckeyes win the 5th college football playoff national championship game?

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ChazBuckeye's picture

I hope so, but I'd say it's s 50/50 shot Urban is the HC by August 10th...

It is time!!!!!

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buckeyenut74's picture

And yet not one charge was ever filed  against Smith until a week or so ago. 

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nm_buck's picture

Why wasn't Smith arrested?

None of this makes sense

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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AzBuckeye45's picture

Exactly. I see lots of allegations. What are the actual court findings??

"Cause I couldn't go for three!"
Woody Hayes-1968

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Frimmel's picture

What if you look at 2015's events before the divorce as Ms. Smith getting her ducks in a row to win a favorable divorce settlement, custody of the children and healthy child support payments does it make more sense? If you then get a few years down the road and one or more of the kids would much rather live with their father does that change how much sense it makes? 

If you look at it as Zach Smith is a POS and his wife is innocent, it looks one way doesn't it? If you look at as Ms. Smith isn't honest and that men have to be pushed really hard to be violent with women, it looks another way doesn't it? And if they're both awful people and everyone just wants to stay out of the blast radius?  

http://shrink4men.com/

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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skinnytrees's picture

Urban Meyer is supposed to enforce the law he knows nothing about in addition to coaching football

Except in the case where he accidentally mis-enforces the law and then its his fault and needs to be fired for that

In other words, all bad things are Urban Meyer's fault.

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TheVictoryBell's picture

Both dealing with witch hunts 

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DaiTheFlu's picture

Both of you guys can take the politics elsewhere, or do we not care about that anymore? Seems like we have enough to deal with on this site.

We can't stop here; this is bat country...

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dlej419's picture

2009 assault

2015 assault 

Just keep punching!

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ChazBuckeye's picture

I really hope that clause in his contract from April of this year isn't the nail in the coffin if OSU finds out more than they already know. Wow, this sucks. All for Earle Bruce's Dbag grandson...

It is time!!!!!

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chris's picture

For real. The bottom line of all of this is Fuck Z. Smith.

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OfficerRabbit's picture

Honestly, I'm shocked we haven't heard of D-threats and /or other crazy shit this fan base is capable of yet. If Urban covered it up, he deserves all that is sure to come from the public outcry. If Smith was able to cover it up to a point where Urban is going to take the fall for Smith's admittedly terrible misdeeds... God help him. 

 

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chris's picture

I think he might deserve whatever this crazy fan base dreams up for him. If Courtney were my relative, it would've already happened to his sorry ass.

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Dstacify's picture

Considering what that scumbag has brought down on this program (not to mention the hell he's put his own family through) put him in a room with the angriest, rowdiest, most drunk group of Buckeye fans you can find and see how long he lasts (especially with Courtney's revelation about him saying to her he would take down the entire OSU football program if this ever got out). At this point I'd love to get in a few shots on Zach Smith myself, even if he is the grandson of an OSU legend. He is easily the biggest blight to come through this program and leave a path of destruction in his wake since Terrelle Pryor (and Pryor at least had a number of good moments on the field).

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DefendYoungstown's picture

With all the evidence on this page (which is public record) the nails are in the coffin, Urban is done.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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mittenst8buck's picture

It is public record...and nobody saw this until now? Come on, there has to be a legit reason he wasn't fired...and not because he was Earl's grandson

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DefendYoungstown's picture

there has to be a legit reason he wasn't fired...and not because he was Earl's grandson

He wasn't kept around for his coaching abilities I can assure you of that.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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JCam061588's picture

It wasn’t. They were sealed until recently by her request.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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Grisle's picture

Hey dipshit sidewalk fan, the court records were sealed until the victim lost her source of income. It wasn't until after Smith was fired from tOSU and she lost her income from his job that she decided to unseal the court records. Yet somehow Urban was suppose to fire Smith in 2015? Contradictory much?

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Dmac3212's picture

If Urban her through his wife of the allegations and incidents he should of fired smith or at least brought it to Gene's attention to make a decision. Call me crazy but if I hear rumors of a woman getting beat up by my employee I am  going to the right thing. 

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mittenst8buck's picture

I am not saying Urban keeping a pile of shit like that on staff is right but it seems to me like the police were well aware of all of this for years. Should Meyer have called them again? This stuff is all public record. Why did she stay with him after 09 and then go ahead and get married to the asshole? There seems to be a lot of shit going on that I am sure many people were aware of. I guess he should have fired him and Smith sucked as a coach anyway. But at the end of the day was he ever convicted of anything...no he was just probably a piece of shit. And there is always 3 sides to the story, his side, her side and the truth...my guess is they both Zach and his ex have some issues.

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chris's picture

Arguably, a call from UFM to the local police could have made a difference.

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Really though, there has to be AT LEAST 10 other people in their lives closer to the situation who could have should have done the same thing.  Why that responsibility would fall on Urban, who at best had hearsay knowledge of ALLEGATIONS of said issues, not first hand witnessing, is beyond me.

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chris's picture

That's fair - a conversation about when an employer/boss is responsible to get involved is fair... but to pretend Urban was incapable of making a difference in the situation is what I was refuting. And to then claim he was just unaware publicly. If he honestly had no clue, I hope he is exonerated.... but to lie about knowing. Why?

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Furious George 27's picture

These are all police reports, what is Meyer telling them they don’t already know? 

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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bucked up's picture

Im going to go out on a limb and declare zach smith is the worst person, both in terms of behavior and performance, thats ever been associated with this program. 

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GoBucksOrDie's picture

Z.Smith is a POS. Worst ever, please see Schlichter, Art

Interesting signature line

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Bucks19's picture

How is Art a POS asshole?!!?!

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DefendYoungstown's picture

Bucks19, are you Art? if so, nice to meet you.

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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DefendYoungstown's picture

I never said he was bud, I am not sure why somebody would think or post that...

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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whalewars's picture

So, this Zach Smith is a piece of garbage — hope he ends up in jail. What about the timeline that implicates that Meyer knew? It seems like Courtney cited a conversation after the 2015 NCG as proof Meyer knew, but, correct me if I am wrong, she did not text the wives about the abuse (when Urban’s wife presumably told Urban) until much later in 2015?

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tcm1968's picture

Urban Meyer said he knew about a 2009 incident involving Zach Smith

This is where it doesn't make sense.... Urban hires him in 2005 then 4 years later the 2009 incident occurs in June of that year and then Smith isn't with the Gators that season ( he ends up at Marshall). The timing optics look TERRIBLE in hindsight... sure looks like he knew about the DV stuff and let him go.... 

So why was he hired in the first place at OSU in 2012?? given that Urban knew about the 2009 stuff at the time.. ?? 

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nm_buck's picture

because the Smiths were still married at the time and apparently getting along?

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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tcm1968's picture

But the history is still there.. a history that sure seems like it got Smith exiled from the Gators.. and a history that Urban never revealed to Gene Smith ( it appears) when he hired him...

It just doesn't make any sense.. Urban says in 2009 that both him and Shelley counseled the Smiths... and then at a point shortly after that Smith is not a coach under Urban..

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mittenst8buck's picture

Haha...I believe if I went into an interview and they asked me about my personal life and how I was getting along with my wife I would have some pretty strong grounds for discrimination. Personal life and home life are separate. Zach is a pile of dog shit...that is about all that I can tell thus far

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Dstacify's picture

Meyer still should've proceeded with more caution when making that decision. Not just for his sake but for the program as well which was coming off of a massive scandal at the time that Tressel created. Zach Smith never should've been associated with OSU football to begin with.

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JCam061588's picture

Even according to a Courtney. He would often check up on her & she denied anything was up because she was “afraid to tell him”.

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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nm_buck's picture

Meyer still should've proceeded with more caution when making that decision. Not just for his sake but for the program as well which was coming off of a massive scandal at the time that Tressel created. Zach Smith never should've been associated with OSU football to begin with.

20/20 hindsight.

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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Dstacify's picture

I mean, the only real pull to hiring Smith at the time with that kind of baggage was him being Earle's grandson. He's an underwhelming position coach at best. Not a guy worth sinking the entire OSU ship over (if that is indeed what Urban has done here).

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Appreciate the dedicated journalists at 11W for staying up on this evolving story. 

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stpetebuck's picture

I can’t stop thinking about Tonia Harding and Jeff Gillooly(sp?)

He’s a cocksplat, possibly a violent criminal bully,   and she doesn’t talk about the abuse until the income dries up. 

CS might be a victim, probably is .. but now bystanders are getting trashed by her.  She will accuse many others and cost them millions, and yet she let her allegedly dangerous shit weasel ex walk repeatedly. 

Why is she willing to ruin people who never laid a hand on her, but not willing to leave the horrible violent person?  

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McLovin2.0's picture

Because domestic violence and "leaving" aren't as simple as you make it out to be.

What, are you trying to be an Irish R&B singer??

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kmp10's picture

I've been through a contentious divorce... and NEVER did I EVER lay a finger on my ex-wife and my child's mother. Never. I'm trying not to declare Zach Smith guilty before all the facts come to light despite my LONG-RUNNING personal dislike for the man, but there are far too many altercations over far too long a period to believe in his proclaimed innocence. I am absolutely disgusted by Meyer's mismanagement cluster fuck of the entire affair... and that's giving him the benefit of the doubt and taking him at his word that he SOMEHOW knew nothing about any of the 2015 incidents. If it's determined that he actually DID know and unfathomably decided to look the other way out of some pathetic blind allegiance to Bruce, and by extension, Smith, then he's done a tremendous disservice to the university, the program, the players, the assistant coaches, and his family. At least Coach Tressel was only trying to protect 20 year old players who traded some cleats for tattoos... Meyer, if proven to be lying, was protecting a piece of shit who hit and bullied the mother of his children, in front of the children. It's beyond my ability to comprehend how Meyer could have possibly looked the other way on this, and that's why, as of right now, I still do NOT believe he was lying when he said he was unaware of Smith's 2015 issues. I know that seems terribly naive, and looks less and less likely as the night wares on, but I cannot believe Meyer is that big of a PHONY hypocrite. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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Furious George 27's picture

Devils Advocate is what did he know? It’s easy to say Smith is a PoS by what we know now. Families getting divorced are an ugly affair that 3rd parties are best to steer clear of. I’m not going to crucify Urban for not doing more, because we don’t know what this relationship was between the Smith’s. It may be feasible to say that they were two toxic people that should have never been married. How do you approach a situation where one denies wrong doing, and the other refuses to press charges and when asked says “everything is fine”? We’re playing judge, jury and executioner with limited knowledge. If he gets fired, fine. Let it be because OSU did an open investigation and found more wrong doing over making a knee jerk reaction because people are upset about a story published 24hours ago. As you said divorces are contentious and it gets especially nasty when children are involved. This wouldn’t be the first time people have been dragged through the mud by the other. Just allow everything to play out in the courts as it should have happened in 2015

Yeah, well…that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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whalewars's picture

August 15, 2018

Jim Tressel introduced as head football could at The Ohio State University.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

It's difficult enough to read through this unbelievable story without having weapon grade stupid posts like this one here. 

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This made me laugh. 

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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NoMad Buck's picture

Nothing about this story makes sense to me. 

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

According to this timeline, in which much information is left out, Zach Smith was "charged" with Felonious Assault on two different occasions and a Domestic Violence "charge" additionally. Normally, when one is charged with an offense , particularly a felony, one doesn't get to go back into the house and sit down. You get arrested, taken to jail, processed into jail, given a hearing, bond is set or charges are dismissed. 

It's quite odd that in two different states, in two different legal jurisdictions, none of the above happened.  Even more odd that the ex wife gets a restraining order, is granted a divorce , then three years later, files for another RO stating that her ex, whom she has called police on numerous times, is given access to her home in which he is not only able to plant hidden cameras about, but also is able to corner her in a laundry room to sexually assault her.  

In last week's hysterical reporting , we were told Zach Smith drove their son onto the public parking lot of Courtney's condo/apartment to return him from visitation and she called the police and had him charged with criminal trespass. Or was he trespassing in her laundry room?

My take is both of them are twisted individuals whose children will suffer endlessly and will be more than glad to destroy anyone else along the way. 

I do not understand the thinking that if Urban Meyer had fired Smith in 2015, when the Smith's divorced( how was he supposed to have access to their court filings and statements?) that was going to help Courtney Smith avoid, control, or in any manner, remove her husband from her presence? 

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stpetebuck's picture

Gotta agree. They look look more like Harding/Gillooly with every news release. 

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Buckeyedoc99200's picture

Wow. Conflicted. As much as I love UFM, as they say “where there’s smoke there’s fire”. Thats alot of smoke going on at the Smith household and I am having a hard time believing UFM knew as little as he claimed. He has got some serious explaining to do or I see no way he can continue as HC. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

It sucks bc Urbs should have learned from Tressel’s mistake: it’s not worth ignoring protocols trying to protect your boys. Just do the right thing. 

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WestChester Buckeye's picture

Let's tap the brakes a bit kids: From what I can see from the evidence provided by the Shelley Meyer texts, they mention the protection order filed on July 20 of this year. The text chain also mentions the protection order being the start of the investigation into Mr. Smith actions. Shelley also asks "Didn't law enforcement come to your place ever?" I may be reading this wrong, but I still haven't seen the smoking gun. I hope I don't. The media is running with it and sensationalizing the shit out of this situation. Let's see how this pans out before we rush to judgement.

"If worms had machine guns, then birds wouldn't be afraid of them" good talk Jim

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buckeyestu's picture

I will miss Urban. This sucks.

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skinnytrees's picture

The timeline of events says that she never pressed charges and she sealed records to prevent Zach from being fired

Thats all that needs to be said about this situation

Thats all the University should say in a statement

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BayArea_Buckeye's picture

Question I have is, why would Urban say he know about 2009 and not 2015. 

The 2009 incident seems pretty damning. Why go out of his way and lie about 2015. 

On another note, if Urban knew in 2009 that this piece of shit person physically assaulted his pregnant wife, why the fuck would you hire this guy as a coach. Seriously. I don't get it. No better coach than that low-life that you have to bring him to OSU? Damn it, Urban...not cool

My stomach is sick reading all this and this has now ruined the excitement I had for this season. 

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chris's picture

I agree with most of this, but not so much the last part. We have young men who were raised right in that locker room ready to battle for the scarlet and gray and I will be cheering them on under Day's leadership.

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Lisadvm's picture

Couldn't agree with you more. I was so excited about this season... Why can't coaches have morals?

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FROMTHE18's picture

Courtney waited 3 years to do this and now unleashes her supposed evidence to a fired ESPN staffer and some obscure website interview. She wants money and its sad. I have no sympathy or empathy for what is happening. She supposedly told a bunch of other women and her family of her problem 3 years ago and they said to do nothing and she listened. Now, we are supposed to feel bad for her and blame Urban? All the Mike Bianchis on here are pathetic. If she is so damn confident then sue OSU and Meyer and prove her worth in court. She won't. She will relay on social media and bs mainstream media to listen to her for page views to show she is some how in the right. She is pathetic for her push for money and all her stance has done is give her cash and try to ruin a fantastic coach, program, and University. I hope Urban is saved and I hope she is exposed for her money grabbing plot. 

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BayArea_Buckeye's picture

Zach Smith was arrested and charged for beating up his pregnant wife in 2009, and Urban admitted he knew of this. 

Let's assume it was a bonus allegation. Why would you even take the risk of bringing this guy to OSU? You know he's got alcohol issues, he has temper issues.....and there is a chance that both parties are overstating their case, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. So why would you even continue to fuck with that if you are Urban? In the very least, bad judgement by Urban. 

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tussey's picture

Based on the timeline of events, I believe this is a bit of a stretch.  Prior to court appearance, it seemed like no one knew what was going on.  The first report was that Smith was arrested for trespassing for going into her apartment for dropping the kids off.  Everyone thought it was odd to get arrested for that so people started digging, which is why all this is coming out now.  This didn't get started as a money grab by Courtney.  This was started because Zach refused to change and thought he was above the law and invincible.  

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

This is why this story is so difficult to actually understand and know the facts. We were told on 11W last week that Smith was arrested in May for driving into the parking lot of his ex wife's condo with their son whom his ex wife had not met to pick up at an agreed upon location.

Now you are saying he was arrested for going into her apartment. 

And there we are , trying to divine what EXACTLY Urban knew when we don't have half the story and the other half is likely full of inaccuracies.

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buckeyestu's picture

Urban should have fired Smith in 2009.

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tcm1968's picture

That's my point above... maybe Florida stepped in and said he needs to go?. The incident happened, Urban says he counseled the Smiths and then Smith is magically off to Marshall and not at Florida any longer... then he goes to Marshall and doesn't stick there and same thing at Temple the following season.....  only in hindsight does the timeline look suspicious..  

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Interrobanged's picture

Where in this timeline do the texts between Shelly and Courtney take place?

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tcm1968's picture

2015 at some point... via Brett McMurphy

Text messages I have obtained, an exclusive interview with the victim and other information I have learned shows Ohio State coach Urban Meyer knew in 2015 of domestic abuse allegations against a member of his coaching staff.

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brunstar's picture

Is that a fact, do the text messages have a date and time stamp or is that speculation?  

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Dmac3212's picture

I highly doubt a reporter is going to lie about the time stamp on text messages

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Interrobanged's picture

So the texts could be early 2015, which makes it worse.

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tcm1968's picture

The text specific to Urban knowing is Nov 5th, 2015... not sure about the rest of them..

and to be fair.... that text is between Courtney and Brian Voltolini's wife Lindsey... this is the exchange... 

Courtney: “(Zach’s) trying to make me look crazy bc that’s what Shelley is saying (he’s doing)”
Lindsey: “He (Urban) just said he (Zach) denied everything”
Courtney: “I hope urban is smarter than that”
Lindsey: “He (Urban) doesn’t know what to think”
Courtney: “I don’t really care. Ya know”
Lindsey: “Yeah, don’t worry about urb”

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brunstar's picture

That’s a conversation between Courtney and a person who is neither Shelley or Urban.  It’s a conversation between Courtney Smith and someone named Lindsey, so my question is who is Lindsey and why should anyone care?  That’s hearsay not evidence.  If I have a text message conversation about you punching a kitten in the face with literally anyone but you does that prove you did it?

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Cincinnatibuck's picture

That's not the text exchange, that's just how McMurphy wrote it.  He conveniently left out parts if you look at the pic of the text on his Facebook page.

Courtney: "Wow"

Courtney:"His attorney is a moron"

Lindsey:"I guess so"

Courtney:"I hope urban is smarter than that"

Lindsey:"He doesn't know what to think"

Courtney:" I don't really care" "Ya know" "I guess they will find out"

Lindsey:"Yeah don't worry about urb"

I bolded the important parts.  What if this whole conversation is about her DUI, drinking, or anything else except domestic violence.  If they already know about DV what as both her and McMurphy claim what is it they are going to find out?

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TXNut2488's picture

^^THIS THIS THIS, everyone is making a HUGE assumption that every text is about DV, when in fact there is no concrete proof of that. I think that's how Urban and OSU get through this..."What I said at media day was misunderstood. I should have elaborated and said I did not know about any physical abuse in 2015. I knew about marriage issues, but didn't think it was that serious, if I had known DV was involved, I would have followed protocol"

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Reading between the lines, it seems that Shelley might have reached out after she found out about Courtney filing for divorce. 

You have to wonder if Shelley ever mentioned to Urban that a longtime member of his staff "scares me." If the answer is no, then those two must talk a lot less than most married couples. 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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brunstar's picture

When did Courtney Smith seal all of the police reports to protect Zach Smith's job as an assistant coach?  When were they unsealed and released to the public?  Seems important.  

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tussey's picture

I agree.  As ugly as this all sounds between the Zach and Courtney, it seems like they were trying real hard to keep it under wraps to prevent him from being fired.  

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skinnytrees's picture

Courtney Smith seal all of the police reports to protect Zach Smith's job as an assistant coach

This is what the University should start with in the official national statement. Make it the headline. Its a factual statement that she cannot fight as false in court.

But they have shown they have no fight in the past

Still waiting for an institution to just say fuck it to the twitter outrage 

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2morrow's picture

UV for you. Miami and MSU did - OSU has become to pc to do that. Tress should have never been fired and UFM not suspended - unless more comes out.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

When were they unsealed and released to the public? Seems important.  

Just this summer, after his recent run in with the law, if I understand correctly. That's why he was fired. Again, if I'm following this properly. 

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

She didn't have them sealed. Brett McMurphy's article actually says the exact opposite, but people seem to be misreading the sentence. 

Here's the quote: "Zach’s attorney had the Smith’s divorce documents sealed “ex parte,” without Courtney’s consent, according to an e-mail I obtained from Courtney’s attorney, shielding Zach’s alleged abuse from going public. "

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brunstar's picture

The Cleveland Plain Dealer said it was Courtney Smith, 11W quoted it in an earlier article.

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

I’m still waiting for the part where UFM hit Courtney. Until then, why is this about Urban Meyer and not about the Smith’s? Zack Smith is the person who allegedly laid hands on his ex. Not Urban. Shelley Meyer was evidently supportive of Courtney the entire time, and likely would have suggested Courtney speak with Urban if the situation truly warranted that, OR Shelley would have insisted Urban talk to Zack if she thought there were reason to. Why do I say these things? Because I’m old enough to know plenty of people with fucked up relationships. Some people’s crazy matches other people’s crazy and that’s all there is to say about that. Bottom line is this is a problem between the Smiths, NOT the Meyers. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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CowCat's picture

I'm with you, OldTown.

Courtney had the opportunity to speak directly with Urban and tell her story. Now we have a crisis based on vague assertions that he probably should have known.

Unless there is a smoking gun of communications that shows Urban responding directly to this situation, he didn't do anything wrong.

To put it into perspective, I don't like to get into advising in domestic disputes with my family or my best friends. It's their business. I've had friends and family try and dump their disputes on me to resolve. My response is generally "Mmm Hmm. Get out or work it out".  My gut instinct is that the Meyers took the same approach, e.g. "We're here if you need us, but fix your own problems".

If any of my female friends were to claim abuse, I would tell them to seek counseling, the police or legal help, and that's it. Any misinformed or uneducated advice I could give would make things worse.

This case seems pretty simple to me. There was a history with Smith's behavior, but Urban doesn't seem to pry into people's personal lives until they break the rules. Then they are canned.

Urban is not paid to be a marriage counselor / therapist / police officer / divorce court judge. He has plenty on his hands as the head coach at OSU. It's human nature to tune out extraneous things when you are under the stress of your own job.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Wildragei's picture

Finally a response that is actually in tune with the real world reality of running a major business.  Most organizations have employee counciling services available from professionals and managers or on this case head coaches are admonished to stay out of the personal lives of subordinates.

Wildragei

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

Moral of the story, do NOT get involved in an employee's personal life.  Shelly and Urban should have simply turned over the Smith's to Florida's HR department and not communicated with them other than for work related reasons. It's unfortunate, but this is today's reality in virtually any workplace. The HR and legal department would have advised them as to whether Smith could stay on staff or should be terminated. What has happened is that the Meyers took on the responsibility of dealing with the behavior and problems in an employee's personal life and marriage and it has come back to bite them in the worse way. This is as much on Shelly as it is Urban, for continuing to communicate with Courtney Smith as if she was a dear friend. 

Well, she's found out exactly how dear that friendship was.

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Some commentors appear to be thinking the story is about Urban calling the cops or enforcing the law. No, the story is that Urban last week said:

“I was never told about anything, Never anything came to light, never had a conversation about it. So I know nothing about it."

And today's text messages prove to most people beyond a reasonable doubt Urban was lying to the fans and the world when he said that.

Then the question becomes why has he been lying and covering up for Zach Smith's all these years? And can Ohio State make such a person he highest paid public employee in the state of Ohio? Would the parents of teenage girl students be more comfortable with a different head coach as the face of Ohio State?

That's the story.

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skinnytrees's picture

I will wait for more information

Those texts are not the end all be all

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Facemeat2's picture

Incorrect. In no logical way could any intelligent person conclude that “today’s text messages prove to most people beyond a reasonable doubt...” blah blah blah. It may make YOU of the OPINION that is the case but you don’t speak for most people nor do you seem to understand reasonable doubt. 

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bucksandsurfing's picture

The story has nothing to do with whether or not Urban Meyer lied during the big 10 media day.  The story is whether or not Urban Meyer knew his assistant coach was physically abusing his wife in 2015.  If he did, per his contract, and according to Title 9, he had the responsibility to report what he knew to his superiors and school administrators.   If he knew and didn't report, he violated his contract, and he's fired.  

Has nothing to do with whether or not he lied during big 10 media day last week.      

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BuckeyeGrl5's picture

“I was never told about anything, Never anything came to light, never had a conversation about it. So I know nothing about it."

when did Urban Meyer say these exact quotes? All I got from the press conference was “I read a text last night about something in 2015...there was nothing”

"I love football.  I think its the most wonderful game in the world and I despise to lose" - Woody Hayes

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TheVictoryBell's picture

well if the parents of teenage girl students would be more comfortable with another coach then nothing else needs to be done. He’s fired. 

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Rodney Farva's picture

You're allowed to lie to the media. 

GO AHEAD CALL THE COPS

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tcm1968's picture

2009
JUNE 21 – ZACH SMITH CHARGED WITH FELONY ASSAULT

 Zach Smith arrested and charged with felony assault. Documents show Courtney, then pregnant, told police that Zach “picked her up by grabbing her T-shirt and threw her against the bedroom wall” after a heated argument.

You left the "best" part out from the police report. And more evidence Smith is/was a POS.... the argument took place on their 1 year wedding anniversary after he came home wasted with a girl who he claimed needed some place to sleep.. at 3:00am in the morning....

What a giant turd..

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Icouldnotgofor3's picture

Unbelievable,,,,,,,,,,

Saban on a cart eating cold pizza

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buckeyewalt's picture

Again, UM being too nice by keeping ZS employed as a favor to Earl B. Curious, who is this reporter Brett McMurphy who is trying hard to be a swizzle stick?

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TigerSweat's picture

He clearly has an axe to grind. Nice journalism

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Hanawi_'s picture

Fired ESPN reporter looking for a way back in the game. Got himself on all the sports talk shows today, so he's achieved a good portion of his purpose.

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TigerSweat's picture

I'd like to see what JH would do if he had a grandson of Bo on staff at Michigan and some uncorroborated allegations of dv came up and Bo's grandson adimently denied it... Then, the lady involved declined to press charges while taking measures to hide it from Harbaugh. Do you think that Jim would have went on he said/she said and fired the guy? I think fucking not. This whole thing comes down to whether or not Meyer went out of his way to cover up for Smith and essentially condone dv. For the record, I highly doubt that is the case.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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Spoon's picture

If even half of that is true, holy crap. Smith is a dangerous psychopath. How did he not get thrown in prison years ago??

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stpetebuck's picture

That there is the rub. ZS was never convicted of anything to put him in jail. That said, assholes are everywhere wakingi free. But still they have jobs with bosses who can’t see into their souls. 

Where else  do bosses get fired for not firing employees  fast enough with no charges filed and names withheld?  

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Rodney Farva's picture

The most frustrating part about all this is that every single one of us knew Zach Smith was a trash person YEARS ago. All you needed to do was read his twitter timeline and his fight with Target.

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johngobuck's picture

My guess is that behind closed doors LOTS of people knew what was going on.   My guess is that all parties, Courtney included, thought the best thing wasn't for him to lose his job.  My guess is that behind closed doors decisions were made, promises were made, and the problem was seemingly solved.    She got divorced from him and at that point I'm sure everyone thought this was over.   I can't blame Urban if he was doing Zach and Courtney a personal favor by not firing him.   I'm also guessing if Courtney had wanted Zach fired she could have made that happen.   My guess is that the whole reason this story is just now coming to light is that Courtney as well as Zach didn't want their dirty laundry aired.  I'm also guessing Urban didn't bury this.   There are way too many court hearings, police reports for OSU administration not to know about this. 

And with the divorce going through it probably seemed like firing him or telling him to move along to another team wouldn't be necessarily.  He probably still should have parted ways with Zach.   He can't be that important to staff.   

With all this going on I'd also find it hard to believe that OSU administration also didn't know about it.   Heck they are probably the ones who ordered Urban Meyer to simply deny knowing about it.   They hoped he would be their smoke wall.   Urban is going to be FIRED because if it comes out the UNIVERSITY knew about this all hell will break loose.   

Lost in all of this will be that all parties probably agreed he didn't need to lose his job over it.   Just stop the abuse and for them to get divorced.   And without any charges or arrest made do you go and fire someone over what from their point of view was probably a one or two time incidents of abuse.   The one in 2015 seems to be stemming from her cheating on him if you read his text.   

At what point does an employer have to take responsibility for the private affairs of a married couple.    Do company's have an obligation to fire employees who have bad relationships?  Should company's fire employees when allegations are made?  We do know from the text that in 2015 she was saying one thing and Zach was saying another.    

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

At what point does an employer have to take responsibility for the private affairs of a married couple.    Do company's have an obligation to fire employees who have bad relationships?  Should company's fire employees when allegations are made?  We do know from the text that in 2015 she was saying one thing and Zach was saying another.    

The answers are always more clearly seen in hindsight.  

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JNRBUCKEYE's picture

Heh this is the era of -point finger and get someone fired- whether Real crime or coverup was committed or no. Liberalism is a mental disease

GO BUCKEYES!!!

"Son, at Ohio State we run straight for the goal line."
-Woody Hayes

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CTBuckeye's picture

ELEVEN WARRIORS COMMENTING POLICY:

AVOID POLITICS: "Sorry, we just don't want any of that stuff around [...and] we've always believed the quickest way to ruin a good conversation is to bring up politics"

"Because we couldn't go for three"

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Bucks's picture

Such a clusterf. From what I've read, one thing thing seems odd to me on timing. The specific addition to Urban's contract this year, regarding Domestic Violence and/or abuse.

I guess that could just be coincidental but seems unlikely to be. I thought it could be in relation to the other issues tOSU has undertaken recently (current investigations in other sports) but didn't think those stories had begun in April.

I'm going to hope that the addition to his contract was/is purely coincidental & not a indication that yes, everyone was aware and adding this specifically for this mess.

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cottageavebuckeye's picture

Johngo's take on the situation seems to me to be one that rings the most true.  It's a shame that those enjoying this "gotcha" culture  happily render judgement from the cheap seats.  I for one would be angry if UFM is sacrificed over this incident.  Does anyone doubt that UFM was trying to do right for all affected? 

COTTAGEAVEBUCKEYE

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BHokesmanjugs's picture

Both sets of parents knew.  I mean honestly what father tells his daughter to just take the beatings for the money?  I find that hard to believe.  I also find it difficult to believe that her attorneys and the Police knew and nothing was done.  None of this makes sense.   Hopefully there is a lot of evidence that will vindicate him but regardless the damage to his reputation is already done. 

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BHokesmanjugs's picture

One thing is for certain....lawsuit against OSU will be filed soon.  That video was a precursor. 

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stpetebuck's picture

Gawd. You’re probably right. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Zach Smith is officially one of the world's worst scumbags, that is apparent.

But I still fail to see what Urban Meyer is guilty of, other than looking foolish in front of the media and saying something that was untrue.

The legal system was involved, seemingly, every step of the way when the Smith's were having their problems, so again, what is Urban Meyer required to do? And I'm not asking that to be an asshole, I'm genuinely wondering, what legal recourse does anyone have to say that Urban Meyer should do anything? I agree in 2015 he should've fired him, but the legal process was in effect, she didn't press charges when those allegations surfaced..

This whole thing is crazy.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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ScarletandGREAT's picture

Does she not have any family? Friends? If someone was doing this to my sister/niece/daughter/BFF whatever I would say something. Seriously. Even if they told me not to. Because, you know, I’d rather risk a mad sister/niece/daughter BFF than have a dead sister/niece/daughter/BFF. Why did no one say anything, if she was telling everyone? It just doesn’t make sense. 

I hesitate to judge the validity of her statements because I do not want to victim shame and I do not want to doubt her. I was raped in college- I told 2 people, 1 of which told a bunch of other people, and no one believed me. I was ashamed so I let it go. I have compassion for victims, and I understand how hard it is to be heard. But she supposedly told all these people who did believe her and still did nothing? I don’t get it. I really and truly don’t. 

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Turfgrad's picture

I'm tired!

"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015.  Needs no explanation.

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gobucks96's picture

If Zach Smith had a police record, wouldn't OSU have known, wouldn't they do their work on this as well??? No way OSU let's Urban run around without checking this stuff out. He got arrested and a restraining order was filed.

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TW's picture

The fundamental issue at this point involves Urbans comments at big ten media day.   Either he was lying about knowledge of the 2015 event ....which case he would be a fool or he did not know.   if you can't prove that he knew of the event your left with...should he have known.   That is a good question but doesn't rise to the level of a termination in my view. 

TW

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flabbercasted's picture

Nothing else really matters beyond Title IX and the "body of work" of this whole Zach Smith story. If the HC job is salvaged because of a lack of a clear link involving the Lindsey Voltolini/Courtney Smith exchange to Urban Meyer, OSU will have a very hard time overcoming the overwhelming negative public sentiment that will result. The Trustees have to be struggling with this at this very moment.

I think an Urban Meyer resignation is the most likely result. Pre-#metoo, maybe not, but now, there's just too much in that Shelley Meyer exchange for the public to bear. "He scares me" doesn't really need further explanation. That's precisely what the domestic violence provision of Title IX is there for. Part of the enabling cycle of the domestic abuser is the employment structure, especially when you're bringing in $300k+/yr.

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lhardeman's picture

If this has already been stated and I missed it, then I apologize. I watched her interview and a couple things stood out. The first is that after she stated she told no one about the physical abuse until after their separation in 2015. Two, she stated that they had attending counseling, if I remember her wording correctly it seemed like multiple times. I bring these up for these reasons. Firstly, no one would if he was hitting her until after the final abuse happened. I think most people are looking at this situation from present to past instead of past to present. If looking at it from past to present he looks like a guy who got drunk and hit his wife 6 years after the last incident and no other physical abuse happened. If looking at it from present to past he had a bunch of non-physical incidences with his ex-wife (typical of an abuser), physically assaulted her, and had other non-physical abuses against her. Urban admitted he knew about 2009, I would say it wouldn't be a stretch of the imagination to say he knew they had a rocky relationship. I would also say he probably knew they were going through counseling to work on their problems. My guess is he probably thought Smith was a crappy husband, but that they were trying to work through their issues. Not a reason to fire a guy. Shelley's messages could refer to physical abuse or the fact that she thought Smith was an asshole. The messages from the other lady could refer to the fact that Urban doesn't think Smith's ex-wife is crazy and not necessarily any proof that Urban knew of any physical abuse. They could also mean that Smith denied the stalking or taking the son or any of number of things. We have to look at things in chronological order and not use hindsight to fill in gaps to prove our position. Personally, I think if Urban knew this guys was abusing his wife and didn't let him go, he should be fired.

God, Country, Ship, Shipmate, Self.

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ZeroDimension's picture

If I just focus on Urban for now...

1.  Why did he say what he did last week about not knowing anything of 2015.  Was that just conversational language and not meant to be all inclusive?  IF not, why lie?

2.  Employment contract... So many people just do not understand their employment contract and that little code of conduct they sign and never read every year.  We had a 400 page one at IBM, I actually read it end to end once in 15 years.. It was terrifying... basically could fire you at any moment for violation of something in that document.  In 15 years I did not know one other employee who read the whole document outside of HR.  I always highly recommend everyone do that! as in .. stop reading this, and go read your employment code of conduct now... it will not be a common sense document. 

3.  Urban's assistant coach being part of a conversation to not press charges... that could be a really really bad thing... 

4.  People keep saying Zach was never convicted... My only worry would be.. was he given special treatment by law enforcement because of Earl and Urban.  This is the one thing that would scare me the most.  If people start pointing fingers at the police department, then something of this nature may come to light.. like... we notified the coaches about theses issues.. or the Coaches called us to help ease tensions etc... ,,- very speculative and I hope neither happened.. but this is that land mine I would not want to stepped on, because then OSU and not just Urban will have bigger implications. 

When the Tressel story first broke, I metioned to my buddy, JT was fired, once it was proven he lied to NCAA... you just never get away with that ever.  They have to fire you because of the NCAA.  And I get why the NCAA has to come down hard once you are proven to have lied.  That was all obvious to me from day one the emails were found(but many disagreed based on what they hoped wouldnt happen). 

The Urban issue seems different.  And I liked tressel better than Urban.   I actually think some of Urban's issues I mention above are more circumstantial, and make him look worse than what his role was...  But pending more information I reserve the right to change my mind.    

One Shoe

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Lisadvm's picture

How likely do you think Tom Herman will leave Texas for OSU?

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