this confuses me
It shouldn’t. Some mirky pasts for Schiano and Wilson. And Meyer loves Day.
Yeah this is about the best choice they could have made – thought it was generally accepted that this was going to be his last year here before taking a major head coaching job. If Urban gets fired, Day would be a great replacement – young, innovative, great at recruiting and a rising star.
When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.
To me it signals that OSU expects Meyer back after a week or two, at least at this point. If they expected to fire, and are buying time until then, they would have tabbed the “best available” right off the bat (GS, in my opinion)
This too. And I certainly hope this is true.
Agreed. Also, “paid” administrative leave lends me to believe Urban will be reinstated before the season starts.
"...because I couldn't go for three..."
I sure hope this entire mess can be sorted out and resolved in a week or two at most.
What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!
It will be resolved quickly, less than 2 weeks.
"Vision without execution is just hallucination."
Great choice. Day is an up and comer without HC experience. He’ll have two former, accomplished HCs as mentors.
Next man up I guess.
Urban will be back in 3 weeks tops. Relax.
Back in the broadcasting booth...
"Hell, Woody didn't recruit me; he recruited my mother!" -Jack Tatum
Or they're just working out negotiations on how to terminate his contract. At this point I'd be shocked if he's back.
Yeah, I'm surprised at all the people who seem like they're expecting him back. Administrative leave for people with contracts is very commonly used as a tool to set people to the side while the legal department figures out how to handle the departure while following the contract terms. Especially if they're worried about Title IX issues or considering firing him "for cause" - there's usually specific procedures you need to follow in order to make sure everything is done correctly from a legal perspective.
I agree LIghteyes.
Why do people keep wanting to call this a title 9 case? I will admit I'm not intimately familiar with the title 9 statue but I thought title 9 was for the protection of female "students". Why would this apply in this situation?
Because if you're a university employee and you hear about another university employee being an abuser (in this case), you're obligated to report it to OSU's Title IX office to ensure that it's properly handled.
Urban and Shelley – both OSU employees – didn't report it. That's why Urban knowing is important. Not reporting something under Title IX is a huge liability for the university.
Most people don't know just how broad Title IX really is and what all it covers. The victim doesn't have to be a student or employee for it to be a Title IX case.
Not sure if that's really true. The Tumpkin precedent determined that he "could have engaged in the exact same conduct regardless of his affiliation with the university… The university and (defendants) provided neither access nor cover for Tumpkin’s alleged conduct". I'm not so sure this is a legal/NCAA battle, but it is definitely a moral/PR one.
I hope you're right but doubt if I'm going to relax.
Make us proud Coach Day.
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He will not have to coach a single game. Urban will still be the head coach on September 1st.
I can raise a glass to that DD
The off season bites !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
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We can hope, but as it sits.. I am not super convinced.
Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!
Most reasonable scenario we're in currently: it's a toss up on whether he's gone or stays.
Best of luck to Coach Day, during a very difficult time.
Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah
Don't get this move at all.... not with 2 guys on the staff that are seasoned head coaches.
I can see how the media would take it if we promoted Schiano or Wilson, given their past accusations. It's a smart move.
Tired of accusations... convictions are a different story.
Joe Paterno was never convicted, how do you feel about him? Obviously different circumstances, but justice exists outside of the criminal system. FWIW I don’t think Urban should be fired, but rationale should be better than “well there was never a conviction...”
Right. Whether there's fire or not to go with the smoke that still swirls around them, the media would have a field day (no pun intended) if Smith replaced Urban with Wilson or Schiano. Wilson's story aside, it's a shame that what happened at PSU still shadows Schiano.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Or Larry Johnson.
I have absolutely no insider information on this, so take this with salt if you'd like...but I'd guess that Larry Johnson just loves coaching the defensive line and doesn't really want to do more than that. I mean, there's no other explanation for why a guy who has been pumping out All-American/NFL talent for over two decades hasn't ever even been a coordinator.
I suppose my thing is I just would like to see day focused on the offense especially with a new QB.
I don't think his job is really changing all that much. It says Day is the interim HC but it's more than likely it's just a 2 coach thing (during practices anyways). Day coaches the offense and Schiano coaches the defense. Day does not need to give Schiano any insight whatsoever on what to do with the defense. All that really changes is, if Urban isn't coaching on the sidelines this fall, then Day will have to be on the sidelines instead of being up in the box like it was planned to be. Oh, and making all the important game time calls and timeout strategies and all that.
If Meyer comes back, I'm predicting that his team will bust their butts this year to give him a National Championship.
Really, if he comes back, watch out.
Any chance this is all cleared up and Urban is back in charge within a week or so?
Onward and upward! Go Buckeyes!
There's a very good chance he's back with the team before camp is over. This was just the politically correct thing to do. Salute to the university, I guess...
I highly doubt that
Anyone who thinks this thing's gone any deeper than scratching at an iceberg with a fingernail is kidding themselves. This is going to get worse before it gets better.
Why? Are there more assistants? Did urban help help beat his wife? His only fault is keeping a wife beater on staff, and we now know that. Just need to figure out how much he knew, but with everyone assuming the worst now, I don’t know how it will get worse from here.
I once briefly worked for a man who was busted by the SEC for insider trading. He was a despicable human being but he told me something I never forgot: “when you’re on the witness stand and under oath, always tell the truth because you can never trust anyone else to stick to the story. Everyone’s going to be trying to cover his own ass.” Point being: this is not going to be swept under the rug so that no matter what the outcome is, Ohio State will say it handled it properly. Gene Smith will not be handling this because he could complicit himself. Other coaches, their wives, staff, police, a lot of people are going to be interviewed about what they knew and what Urban knew. And they’re not going to lie. Urban already tried and it’s caught up to him. We’re barely seeing the 6% of the iceberg that’s above water and this investigation has hardly scratched the surface. Trust me: this thing’s just getting started. Sad thing is I saw it coming two weeks ago the moment Urban denied knowing anything about it. Everyone should have.
If there is no solid information (texts, recorded calls, etc) how can it be proven that Urban in fact knew about it? Until then, it's a bunch of he said/she said.
Except there's potentially a shitload of she said's. Do you honestly believe all the people who might know the truth are part of a massive conspiracy to take down Urban Meyer if their versions of what happened are not in his favor? That coaches or their wives would knowingly lie about what they know so they can get the man who hired them fired?
If this ends quickly, it'll be because Urban's gone, most likely because he'll resign because he'll see how things are stacking up against him. Conversely, no news is good news--the longer this takes, the better the odds it will go in his favor. I am an Urban Meyer fan. I earnestly believe that he, like Jim Tressel, is a good man, but who, like Jim Tressel, appears to have made bad decisions that if he could do it differently, would. I sincerely hope he is vindicated but I won't be the least surprised if he's terminated.
Read my signature below. This could be another case when those words ring true.
That is positive take on the situation.
I hope you are right
Knowledge is Power
I couldn't give you a timetable, but I'd assume this is going to get done as quick as possible and we'll know the fate of Urban before the football season. But this is just a guess with nothing to base it on.
No. That would be too coincidental if Urban is reinstated by opening weekend and termed a ‘white-wash’ by the ESPiN SEC Network.
If it would be, I imagine he would be fired or forced to resign. I still think that is likely but the fastest would probably be before football season actually starts. But that is optimistic. This sort of thing usually takes a while. Universities are not known for moving with blazing speeds on matters like this.
And it really depends on how they review the information. More could well come out that muddies things further or that was not part of it but tips the balance.
He can be our Lincoln Riley.
Not ready to label Lincoln Riley a good coach yet. He was bailed out a lot by Mayfield last season and OU was far from a complete team (their D was horrible). This year will be a true gauge on how good he really is.
He's killing it on the recruiting trail.
Good for him. So did Fickell. Doesn't make him an elite coach yet. I actually hope Day compares more to Bruce Arians than Lincoln Riley.
Day has my complete faith as an offensive guru. Good luck to him as this role will be challenging
In with support for Coach Day and the rest of the staff, as well as the players.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Don't get this at all.
Putting in a great young coach during a firestorm. ( Think Luke Fickel (sp))
Let Wilson or Shiano handle this, as they have more experience.
We could lose all 3 within 1-3 years if the bad news keeps coming.
It's strictly a PR move, as Urban will be back soon. It's not like Wilson and Schiano won't be around to help out.
I guess OSU is afraid of the BS claim of Schiano's PSU awareness and of the Wilson stuff that got him fired.
NOW I understand Day’s big pay raise!
Meyer's administrative leave and Day's temporary appointment are interesting, but I'm more interested in seeing Smith thrown in jail. I'm saddened that we had such a scumbag on the payroll for so long.
Assuming allegations are true that is. Can’t make that assumption.
Wasn't expecting that. Who made the decision? Gene or Urban?
Behold the chunky whoop ass.
I'm sure Urban pushed Day, but the other options (Schiano and Wilson) would both be highly controversial and would probably create more of a media firestorm.
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This was clearly Gene Smith's decision. But I have to disagree with you about Day. I think if Urban had input he would have recommended Schiano, because of his prior experience. Urban's choice wouldn't include any kind of PC element imho.
I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.
Curious as to how this plays out with current recruits and those that are high on OSU?
well.. no-one will be happy about it but it probably won't play well
Well ... what a ... Day.
The will to win is not as important as the will to prepare to win. -- Woody Hayes
Someone get Austin, TX on the phone, STAT!
Let's do this... E + R = O. Or something like that.
Nicely played. Regardless of the "E" when the "R" is a cover up or lie, the "O" is never good. Urban should know that...
Listening to Tim May right now on 97.1 The Fan
Let's let things play out.
Summarize what Tim said for us??
Common man pissed me off today. I might never listen to that station again. Talk about getting the pitch forks out before the facts come out.
All Day Every Day.
At least until he gets blamed for something he had no part of either.
This thing could go either way. Urban knew and then he lied about knowing. And who else is complicit, i.e., did Gene Smith know? And if he did, how did he handle it?
Bob Stoops left Oklahoma and Lincoln Riley didn't miss a beat. I'm honestly less concerned about the impact losing Urban could have this year's team because all the pieces are there than I am about on holding on to our recruits and the image of the Ohio State brand moving forward, and not just in football.
When some people were worrying about how losing Zach Smith would hurt recruiting, I seriously doubt they thought there'd be aftershocks like this.
I get the feeling Gene didn't know much of anything outside of maybe the 2009 arrest (which looking back I wish he would've flagged as a reason why Meyer couldn't hire Smith again in 2012). He wasn't close to the Smiths like Urban and his wife were. Of course it's damning enough to his credibility just not knowing after what happened with Tressel.
Godspeed to you coach Day. Lead us.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Great news for Apple...all former coaches wives will be getting the newest iPhone...to replace thier recently lost one...
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
I'm not sure if I should upvote you or downvote you. I think I'll just let it go.
No longer the QB run requirement on 6 out of 10 plays. YAY !
Seriously, work this out and make things right. In the end it will be better. We have great assistants and are blessed to have a great staff. Work twice as hard and prepare.
Yeah no QB Run 80000 times BUT i hate to see one of the most talented OSU teams this century end up with less than 10 wins on an Easier schedule because they kept a coach with personal issues who wasnt even a goid coach
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Think Day will do a fine job. Good move by the parties to have Urban step away while they do their investigation.
With the blooming of my ressurection lilies the countdown to the season started for me and now this. Hope the truth will be found out if at all possible. Go Bucks!!!
This Day sucks. No offense to coach but domestic violence is no joke. Ask storm Klein.
High and tight boo boo
The one guy on the staff who doesn't have a questionable past. Best possible choice.
Don’t get this move at all... if the argument is Schiano has baggage then he shouldn’t be an assistant coach either... unless Schiano said no thanks makes zero sense...
Rece Davis on ESPN thinks Urban and OSU negotiating buyout
To be fair, that's just speculation on Rece's part.
I have to think if they were going to terminate Meyer, they would have done it all ready.
It's in Meyer's contract that they have to give him an opportunity to explain his side of the story if anything like this ever happened.
Ryan Day was seen by many people at OSU, including Urban, as the future coach. Think Lincoln Reilly at OU.
Yeah, except for the part where Day's offenses hasn't shown anything near what Riley's had up until the point when he took over... Even going back to ECU.
Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0
TigerSweat, I can't help but think Day has not been able to have "full reign" of being the OC yet under Urban. I think Meyer is still making the final decision on the play calling. IF Day is the Head Coach for any game, I think we will see a difference in our offense.
With that said, I hope all this plays out well for us. Personally, I hope that Meyer can be the HC for Ohio State for as long as he wants and he retires on his own terms.
Ryan Day this year. If he wins, he stays. If not, Matt Campbell from Iowa State is the next head coach.
If Urban resigns/is fired and the University moves on, this all goes away. If he is reinstated, this never goes away.
Not saying this is correct but it is what will happen.
Tom Izzo anyone?
If the cave to SJW pressure now it will just get worse for future coaches.
Ohio State needs to reach out to the administration up in East Lansing. I'm serious. They stood their ground and backed both Dantonio and Izzo over IMO much more damming DV related reports of actual players...
This entire blame the head coach PR bullshit is ridiculous.
Day's stock is on the rise. I could see this working out like Lincoln Riley at OU.
If worse comes to worse, Day could do a great job and be here for a long time.
If Day beats that Team Up North he'll win over a large part of the fan base for sure just like Tressel did in his first season (despite losing 5 games).
*if* day ends coaching this entire season we will see something like 8-4.
Talent-wise there is not a single game on OSU's schedule this year where I can see them matching up poorly. The biggest concern is obviously Day being a rookie HC.
Even 3 years ago, before #metoo, firing Smith would be the right thing to do if there was clear report to existing authority, either campus or local PD. Otherwise, it's a he said-she said with tangential crosstalk between interested parties. That might be enough if the perpetrator were a player under the protective umbrella of tOSU, but not for grown adults, one of whom is an employee of the university. We regularly and rightly leave that to law enforcement. If an anthropology instructor "got physical" with his/her spouse, then said spouse texted a few friends in the department, would we now be going after the Department chair or Dean because he/she heard an unsubstantiated rumor with no police follow up? I think not. As adults employees, the Smiths had/have a responsibility to do more than text their friends if they expect to see action. Which Courtney has now correctly and rather late done (the meeting w the fixer doesn't absolve her of self responsibility) the right thing and so has the tOSU, past rumors of non student poor behavior are not fireable offenses. Does #metoo change that? It shouldn't.
If Urban suppressed the 2015 incident by pressuring Courtney to stay quiet? A different matter altogether.
Ohio State will be fine with Day, Wilson and Schiano calling the shots. We should be, too. It would be a shame to have to say goodbye to Coach Meyer before the 2018 season, but the program is in great shape.
I don’t see it.
Much better than 2011, that's for sure. Don't know why people think this season will be similar to that. That team was gutted due to player suspensions and the coaching staff was mostly mediocre and/or green (aside from guys like Heacock and Taver Johnson). This year's team has much more talent.
If Meyer is fired or resigns we will witness a slew of tranfers and decomits. The Shea Patterson case set a precedent that will encourage many players to transfer out and expect to get immediate eligibility. The program will be set back 10 years.
When is the last time OSU football had 10 straight losing seasons? Get out of here with that nonsense. At most it will set the program back a couple of years (if Meyer is fired) but they will bounce back as quickly as they can. OSU is too proud a program to stay down long-term.
The problem will be the loss of recruits in 2019 and 2020. The QB recruits are Day’s guys as are a few receivers so they probably stay.
15-0 Believe. Recruiting will be even more successful than this year.
Just for the sake or argument, would the University discharge any coach on staff in 2015 or with any baggage in an effort to salvage a bad situation/reputation ??
Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72
Larry Johnson, Mickey Marotti, and Tony Alford (three of our best assistants) were the only current coaches on staff with Meyer and Smith in 2015. I certainly hope those guys weren't complicit in anything.
I can't help but feel sorry for the players. They are still developing adults, most in their late teens and early twenties. An individual who has demanded from them extremely high standards for decorum and behavior may be suddenly taken away because he failed to meet even the most basic of ethical standards, telling the truth. Coach Day, if Urban does not survive, and the remaining coaching staff will have a lot of questions to answer and will need to regain the players trust after this egregious violation. Even if Urban gets by with a suspension, he may never have the full respect of the players.
Why would Meyer get as much as a suspension? What should he have done differently? The police declined to charge Smith with anything and Meyer followed their lead. What? Do you expect urban to be a full time investigator on top of his monumental coaching duties?
Notify his superior, Gene Smith and let Smith do whatever was necesssry under Title IX and OSU policy.
Right on TS!
In fact Urban/tOSU may have received a wrongful termination suit from Zach.
With coaches as it is with players, no backups only more starters...
Day the obvious choice. Schiano is gone after this year, and the PSU tirefire hasn't gone out yet. Wilson shouldn't be rewarded with tOSU HC even interim. He will stay put or find a new gig. Day is a bright rising star with top 3 national talent and this is likely a placeholder til UFM gets back. If the inmates overthrow the asylum, Day will have a year to make the case for permanence. Or be assisting Tom Herman? Next year.
Nah, the Herman ship sailed long ago. I was on here rooting for Lincoln Riley to be hired as his replacement a few years back.
Yes Day (the man with no Head coaching experience) is the obvious choice. Now he wont be 6-6 like Fickell in 2011 because this team is much more talented but the chances of us making the playoffs are SIGNIFICANTLY slimmer without Urban
It would be nice if just for once our leadership at ohio state would fucking stand up and say we are not buckling to bullshit just because
Be nice if they actually said the people that did nothing wrong wont be punished for someone elses actions. Fuck it if i was myer id tell them to shove it up your ass.
I agree. If the university thinks that they're better off by caving to the hysterical SJW's they're dead wrong. That will just encourage them to do more of the same in the future. Meyer is a good dude and he has done nothing wrong. The players who came here to play for Urban are the ones being pissed on right now.
Ohio State has many elite coaches on staff, I'm more than hopeful they'll manage to keep the team afloat for however long they have to.
Good luck with camp Coach Day!
This so much.
Even if Urban is gone, the OSU assistant coachies (Schiano, Wilson, Johnson, Alford, Grinch, Studrawa, plus Marotti and Pantoni on staff) are all proven and highly capable. This will help to alleviate some of the impact of a possible HC change.
No saying it won't hurt, but at least we aren't breaking in a bunch of new coaches in key roles.
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Most people don't come back from administrative leave, I wouldn't be surprised if Meyer and the school are working on a severance package. As for Day, I don't see him as the long term solution. If Meyer does leave, I would love to see the school go after Matt Campbell.
Certain HC at Texas that would fit right in...
....the royal we.... man........
The man who doesn't get enough credit for the 2014 championship run. He would be a dream hire in my opinion. There's no opening at this time though.
Problem with that being he's from Texas.. is he not?
LOL... Tommy isn't leaving his dream job, not a chance in hell. He'll coach at Texas for 15-20 years and do well, including win a championship or two there.
Urban's loyalty to a fault with certain players and coaches is what caused this. This was all about keeping loyalty to Earl Bruce,he was not even a good coach, but Urban stayed with him because of his mentor. Sometimes you can't step away from the blind loyalty, I just feel bad for Shelly as she was thrown under the bus today
I had previously refrained from posting. But his “loyalty to certain players”, PLEASE tell me you’re talking about ones who have misbehaved and not those who are playing that “fans” don’t think they should be.
JT coming back too soon from injury. That was all about wanting the best for JT as a legacy and not as if he was ready. we could have beat Wisconsin with Defense and Haskins and running game. He also loved Tim Tebow to a fault. I think it clouds his judgement on how he uses them and shapes the offense. Just my opinion; not about who starts
Exactly ! Thus we have underachieved. Done well - sure, but following one mans tendencies to an obsessive extent meant we didn't beat Wisconsin with the same team that beat Mich. We were very good. 80% as good as we could have been.
I just hope the university will conduct a fair, unbiased investigation and not just cover there behinds to protect the university's reputation.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
It is probably safe to say there will not be a Xmas card from the Meyer’s to the Smith’s this year or any year thereafter. #metoo = fools.
Also, if Urban knew anything, Gene Smith did too! This is the second time he has escaped being fired. Why is that?
Anyone have any ideas on how this will affect Fall Camp, which starts in two days?
In the poll era (since 1936), OSU is by far the class of the B1G:
National Titles: OSU 8, UM 3
B1G Titles: OSU 34, UM 27
Head-to-head: OSU 43, UM 36
Major Bowls (New Year's Six): OSU 20-14, UM 10-16
This is my only take right now - I feel so damn bad for the players! Get your shit together "adults"! Damn!
Ohio State will buckle like they always do. Jim O’Brien, Jim Tressel...gene smith will save his own ass again.
Not sure why you choose Day. He isn’t ready yet. Schiano should have been the choice.
I personally do not think Meyer returns and Day gets a year long audition. If this happens you can kiss goodbye the top recruiting classes going forward
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Schiano had “allegations” he witnessed Sandusky & a boy when he was coach at Penn St and did nothing. Which is why Tennessee pulled the plug from hiring him. And since the Harvey Weinstein stuff changed todays American culture, all you need is “allegations” with no proven facts for the witchhunters and Lynch mob to come after you
The University doesnt need more of that crap after this whole Smith fiasco
Maybe I'm missing something, but why is everyone so OK with Ryan Day? I'm sure he's a fine coach, but it's not like Temple or Boston College have ever been known for torching offenses. Our offense last year (supposedly going to be better after the Clemson debacle) - meh. I wish Day and the staff nothing but the best and I hope things go as well as possible for the Buckeyes, but this is nothing short of a disastrous day for Ohio State football.
The MSU comparison is interesting but at least Izzo and D'Antonio had one big thing going for them when all that went down: Harvey Weinstein was still producing movies and Matt Lauer was on TV every morning.
If all the wives and therefore the coaches knew about the abuse, how can they not all be on administrative leave? The bottom line is Smith never was even arrested and charged so there was nothing to cover up. Give Meyer his job back and let's get on with the season.