Zach Smith's Departure and What It Could Mean for Ohio State's Regional Recruiting Assignments

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TNT's picture

If any recruit was coming to The Ohio State University merely because of Smith, I would be shocked. This program/university is an easy sell for anyone.

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buckslan's picture

Many players commit because of their position coach. It's the one guy they're going to learn from more than anyone else.

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Buckloving's picture

Of course. ...you hear players say that all the time

bobbyd

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LB U's picture

You made a really good point at the end.. we overcame Tom Herman leaving and he just signed a top 3 class last year at Texas. No one position coach is going to make that much of a difference.. Zach Smith is in fact replaceable, and Zach Smith will be replaced, and we'll be fine because Urban Meyer is still our HC.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

As long as he survives the impending bug hunt to disprove his comment that he knew nothing about Smith's 2015 incident. In this day and age, no one in the media or our enemies are going to accept his statement at face value. Providing evidence to the contrary could make an unknown's name in the media. Like it or not, we can be sure of that much. It's like his denial is up a big softball he lobbed up for people to take an easy swing at. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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buckslan's picture

I don't think we've ever really overcame losing Herman on offense, yet anyways. The last 3 seasons have been nothing short of a disaster.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Recruiting wise we just signed 3 of the highest rated classes OSU has ever seen.  This is a comment about recruiting.  I would say the OP's statement is 100% accurate.  As far as on field development, that's another conversation.

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buckslan's picture

But has recruiting actually been better? Maybe by the numbers, but the on field results have been different. Who on the team has performed at the levels of Zeke, Mike Thomas, Devin Smith, Evan Spencer, JT (freshman), Cardale, Braxton, Hyde, and the 2013-2014 members of the OL? Time will tell, but so far I don't think we've fully overcome the loss of Tom Herman on offense. Lets hope that changes in 2018.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

The only way to judge recruiting is based off of recruiting rankings.  It's as simple as that...and as far as that goes the recruiting has never been better.  You are literally describing what I said in the last post...development hasn't been what it was under Herman.  But to break your list down for the fun of it:

Zeke:  I'd say that looking at recruiting, Dobbins and Weber have both held up pretty well as young guys.  I mean a true freshman just eclipsed 1400 yards with a freaking timeshare.

Mike Thomas:  His best two years he had 799 and 781 yards, and 9 TD's.  That's not exactly lighting the world on fire.  His development came when he joined the Saints.  I'd say Austin Mack could potentially put up those numbers this fall.

Devin Smith:  OSU hasn't seen a talent like him in a long, long time.  I chalk that up to just pure luck, he caught balls that 99% of the rest of college football couldn't.  

Evan Spencer:  He was invaluable to the team as he did the work most WR's won't.  I was one of his biggest fans.  But not really comparable when we talk recruiting and performance as his numbers were way lower than pretty much all of Zone 6 coming back.

JT:  I'm not starting this argument...many believe we have 3 QB's currently on the roster better than the guy that holds almost every OSU and Big Ten QB record.  But again, development.  The fact that you put (freshman) in there just proves this...after that year Herman left and the development wasn't there.

Cardale:  3 games....3 games is what everyone bases his greatness on.  And it was a hell of a ride.  But the next season (again, Herman is gone and the QB development stops), his performance wasn't great and they had both him and JT doing work....see above JT for the current opinions of the QB's on our roster by most people.

Braxton:  Well, Braxton was a once in a decade talent, just happened to be from an hour down the road and he bleeds for OSU, pulling Haskins out of MD was a bigger recruiting win if you ask me.  They didn't have to really recruit Braxton.

Hyde:  See Zeke comments above.  Dobbins almost bested Hyde's senior year as a true freshman.

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LB U's picture

You do realize Devin Smith, Evan Spencer, Braxton and Hyde werent recruited by Herman right? Our offenseive line play last year was absolutely elite. That wasn't our problem. I'm not even sure what you're arguing.. are you saying recruiting rankings don't matter?

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65 Toss Power Trap's picture

Iowa, Michigan State and Wisconsin are full of 3 stars...and each take TOSU to the final minutes in most games

Knowledge is Power

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bucknut1994's picture

Iowa, Michigan State and Wisconsin are full of 3 stars and teams who will never win a national championship. 

#94Ways

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65 Toss Power Trap's picture

If there was a 8-16 team playoff....any of those teams in any given year could win.

But when the media/FBS needs to pick just 4....they pick "brand names"....and rightfully so. (as our Bucks gain that advantage).

But in most years any of those three 3 Star teams can beat anyone on any given day.

Knowledge is Power

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bucknut1994's picture

Michigan State got in the four team playoff and got blasted 38-0. (I know we lost to Clemson 31-0) but it's really not a surprise that the teams with better players are usually better ;-{)}

#94Ways

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65 Toss Power Trap's picture

Agreed.

Here is the $64,000 question?

Shouldn't a team with 4 and 5 Stars.....dominate teams...with nothing but 3 Stars?

Who...is "Coaching kids Up"...?

Knowledge is Power

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Woodshed's picture

No. They couldn't.

this isn't hoops

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

The last 3 seasons have been nothing short of a disaster.

You'll forgive me if I refuse to consider any season that includes a win over TTUN to be a disaster.

Shandy is not beer

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Buckloving's picture

Everyone is replaceable including Urban. ....hundred dollars says when he leaves we don't shut the program down

bobbyd

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iowabuckeyes's picture

What are the odds Zach Smith decides to go off on his own and start his own college team and goes after the guys Ohio State is recruiting because he knows all the "dirt" on the program the same way a lot of people who get fired think they can start their own businesses and steal their previous employer's customers?

Asking for a friend...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Jumar's picture

South Harmon Institute of Technology may be in need of a football team.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Shit, you're right...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Dstacify's picture

Lol. Now I'm picturing Zach Smith in a hot dog suit going around handing out fliers saying "Ask me about my weiner."

11 Strong.

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SunnysideVH's picture

I'll say it again: it is time to hire Kenny Quiton (with his strong Texas connections).

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Dstacify's picture

Can he coach WRs? Or are we grooming him to take over QBs Coach when Day inevitably returns to the pros?

11 Strong.

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RBloodworth's picture

He’s currently Houston’s WR coach, so, yeah, he can coach receivers.

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buckslan's picture

I looked up Houston's 2017 stats. As a team they averaged 1 yard per game less than Ohio State passing (262 to 261ypg) and here are the numbers for receiving yards for their top guys. 1,070 and 889 for their 2 best receivers. Their 3rd-5th receivers had 264, 235, and 164 yards. As a team they only had 16 passing touchdowns (OSU had 39)

So basically, the only difference, statistically, is that a couple of their guys received the bulk of the yards, whereas OSU splits theirs more evenly. Based on stats, I haven't really seen anything that would suggest Kenny Guiton would be an upgrade as a WR coach. He could be, but it's not like the Houston offense lit up teams, they didn't (and obviously that's not entirely on the receivers). They ranked 52nd in total passing yards as well. They only played 12 games on the season, as their opener was cancelled due to the hurricane that hit Houston.

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jwm552002's picture

IMO not a loss at all especially on the development front. You come to OSU for Urban plain and simple.

Iowabuckeye-I saw a report that the Olentangy police department had no record of the 2015 incident.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I remember several times when I was a kid when the cops had pulled my dad over, put him in the back of a squad car, and drove him home. No arrest, no record. But you can be damned sure my mom, us kids and the neighbors all knew. Same thing here—Ohio State’s got to have pretty reliable sources within law enforcement. Plus people talk—e.g., did Smith’s ex say something to someone and it found its way to Urban? It’s like with the Tat 5–there’s no way a lot of other people didn’t know what they were doing. If Tressel didn’t, it’s only because no one else told him until Chris Cicero pinged him. That’ll be where the challenge to Urban’s denial comes from—someone who claims he knew but did nothing the same way people say JoePa knew about Sandusky but did nothing.

It’s not always the earthquake that kills you but the tsunami that wreaks havoc afterwards. Smith was the earthquake. Still waiting on the tsunami and hoping it misses us.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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stxbuck's picture

Hmmmm-Hartline recruiting in S. Florida. "Yo, Javontay, the WR coach from tOSU wants to chill w/ you and talk about his career w/ the Dolphins!" "Wow, that's a lot cooler than some dude talking about his Twitter wars and Zone 6"!

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