Ohio State Fires Wide Receivers Coach Zach Smith Following Reported Domestic Violence Allegations

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Buckeye4life23's picture

Inevitable. 

I am here for the same reason you are.

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311 buckeye's picture

If this is true then (edit all the rest out)

Do I have to put something down here?

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buckeyeinWI's picture

It had to be done....

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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headina's picture

Had to be done. Glad Urban did the right thing

GO BUCKS

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BuckeyeVet's picture

Maybe Urban. Maybe Gene Smith?

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."          - Groucho Marx

"The recipient of Oyster's ONLY down vote".

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BrutusB's picture

With how high profile this story was, it’s ebtirely possible gene or even Drake said to cut him loose. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Could make for a very lively B1G Media Days tomorrow when it's Urban's turn on the dais.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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TheDizzle's picture

"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish" - Charlie Chaplin

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ladybuckeye's picture

This article even mentions Urban Meyer being fired, too, because he kept him on for 11 years. I hope that's not possible.

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TheDizzle's picture

Its Twitter, not an article. That wasn't a part of the report, that's just another post from a dumbass who probably hates Ohio State and wants to start shit.

"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish" - Charlie Chaplin

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awlinBrutus's picture

TD, these milenials really screwed up the rental pricing by overpaying and renting cars too often.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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bucknut1994's picture

What's a "milenials"? 

#94Ways

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Roman Brutus's picture

I'd love to dig into the closets of all those calling for Meyer's head. I bet over half of them have DV history.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Folks, back off of Ladybuckeye with the downvotes.  All she said was the “article” mentioned it, and that she hoped it wasn’t possible, not that UFM should go.  C’mon!  We’re better than this.  

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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ladybuckeye's picture

Oh my gosh,  chivalry is not dead. You're a sweetheart for having my back. It didn't bother me in the least, though. I assumed the down voters misunderstood. Thanks!

ladybuckeye

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Buckfrombirth's picture

No problem!   DVs should be used appropriately, and there’s nothing remotely DVable in your post, IMO.  Take care! 

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

It probably the logo you chose....it's synonymous for takes that glow.

Noon games suck

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Buckloving's picture

You must be new.....there's a bunch of people on here who are definitely not "better than this "

bobbyd

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Buckfrombirth's picture

No, I’ve been here a while, but that doesn’t mean I tolerate stupidity.  Some days, 11W reads more like Reddit than an OSU community, and it’s disappointing.  I still like this site and read/contribute daily, but it’s taken a decided direction toward attacking each other during this offseason.  That blows. 

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Oakland Buckeye's picture

It is not surprising on  that twitter feed how many self righteous Urban haters are calling for Urbz firing - seeing an opportunity to create pressure to get rid of our head ball coach. these people dont care about justice - they just want UFM gone so they can actually win the B1G

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Homey1970's picture

Ref Twitter...at the risk of the DVs, this has nothing to do with the current Z. Smith situation, but the root of most political correctness = hatred, jealousy and group-think.

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ohiobuM's picture

I SMELL FARTS

Urban Lier LOL

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bigbadbuck's picture

and lookie here a slithering little bug that wears blue came out of its hole!  I expect next time we will hear from you will be next offseason when you declare "We are back{".....smh

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, its a war room

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Buckeyeinsc's picture

Can we unblock this comment just for a few seconds so I can downvote it too?

Fighting the good fight in SEC country. "Our honor defend"

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Buckloving's picture

I'm betting it wasn't Urban

bobbyd

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

Urban couldn't go into big 10 media day answering questions about Zach Smith's behavior. Not the right foot to start your college football season on.

It's the right decision - let's focus on football.

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Dstacify's picture

This was 100% the right call. Urban I'm sure knows keeping Smith around after something like this hits the fan is only going to damage his own credibility (and considering this is the 3rd incident that Smith has had under Urban). The biggest area of concern going forward is recruiting no doubt but the current crop seem committed to the team regardles of what happened here and I'm guys like Day and Wilson played a significant part in their recruitment as well.

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Buckloving's picture

I get a real kick when I hear you talking about Urban's "credibility ".....thanks for the laugh on a Monday

bobbyd

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Dstacify's picture

It damages his ethical credibility to keep Smith on staff. Not his credibility as a football coach. Two VERY different things.

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TheBadOwl's picture

Not to be that guy, but the right thing would have been either firing him in 2015 or not hiring him back in 2012.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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PhillyNut's picture

But you just became that guy, might as well own up to it.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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moopdawg's picture

It's alright to be that guy.  I think it doesn't look good that he kept Smith in 2009, assuming that he was aware of the 2009 incident.  We don't know all the facts. But if the Meyer core values were being violated, coach needs to walk the talk.  I'm sure we'll hear more from the man himself in the very near future, so I'll just wait and see.  

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Buckeye82's picture

It was by no means right, but 2009 was a far different time with regard to domestic violence - especially without a conviction.

Buckeye82

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Daniel's picture

I wonder if I could get his leftover Ohio State swag?  We're about the same size.

Va Buck

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Buckfrombirth's picture

You can have the dog tags.  Unless that set was given from a friend or family member and real (which they don’t appear to be), it’s a bit of a poseur move IMHO.  Personally, I’ve never liked non-mil folks wearing tags, but that’s just a pet peeve.  Ok, I’m off my soapbox.  I’ll dismiss myself. 

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Daniel's picture

Buckfrombirth....100% agree with you on military dog tags.  Don't wear them if you don't earn them.  I'm personally not qualified to wear them, but respect the hell out of those who do.

Va Buck

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Thanks, Daniel.  I’ve worn them and I buried four buddies whose wife and kids now wear them.  Those tags mean something, especially the one on the short chain, and it sure as hell isn’t a fashion statement.  

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Frimmel's picture

Being something that had to be done doesn't necessarily make it the right thing. I suggest it is merely the most convenient thing. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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Buckeye1996's picture

I thought this would happen.

"Most Noahs have two of everything, he's got four tonight" - Gus Johnson on Noah Brown's 4 TD catches against Oklahoma.

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shamgod's picture

I'm happy that Smith got fired but sending him off with a Kevin Spacey gif is ... very strange.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Dude.... the irony is palpable.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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nm_buck's picture

GTH I was wondering if anyone caught that...

"The future is bright at Ohio State."  - Urban Meyer 1/1/15

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

If not me, then some other wag. ;-)

Yo, Nm_!

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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bucknut1994's picture

Lol you can take it down GTH. Didn't even think about that. My bad

#94Ways

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

It's OK, '94. We could use a little gallows humor right now.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Wow...funny, but wow...that took some thought.  

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Notor's picture

Not sure why it took all day.

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BiznessTime's picture

Check with the legal team. Avoid more news coverage with end of day firing.

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DrSpaceman's picture

And it had to be done before Urban took the podium tomorrow.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Too bad it’s not a Friday or Saturday.  

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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BStateOuckeyes69's picture

You can't just fire someone nowadays without consulting a legal team. All the vindictive coaches are suing universities for wrongful firing and it's annoying. 

Account suspensions-3 Commenting policy violations-0

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Moo Strength's picture

Yes you can, Ohio is an at-will state.

While you can sue anyone, the odds that someone wins for being fired is about 1/1000000000000 unless they can show racism, sexism, etc.

If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

You obviously forgot about Jim O'Brien suing OSU for firing him then.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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NOLABuckeye's picture

Yes, but at-will doesn't apply where a contract is involved.

Nothing cleanses the soul like a no call pass interference.

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bucknut1994's picture

Yeah and Jim O'Brien didn't do anything against the law, just against NCAA rules.

#94Ways

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stxbuck's picture

Hopefully tOSU has retained a new law firm to handle employment contracts after that fiasco...........

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theopulas's picture

I don't think Tate starts at OSU if not for injury. Recruiting at this level is new to everybody and there will be a lot of transfers going forward. Urban or know one else could foresee that recruiting would be like this. Coach well never recruit a under 6'0 QB again, and Tate isn't transferring to start over at a new school where he has got 2 years of eligibility left and the coaching staff has know loyalty to him, and he still has to compete there against 6'4 homebred QBs.

Theopulas

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terryin20878's picture

Geez...Impulsive much?  What does it matter what time of day it happened?

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Buck68's picture

'fanatic' ... 'could potentially be related'... to "impulsive"?

Say it's not so!   ;-{)}

But nice people can't even do that... because "it happened" - nobody did it.

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PhillyNut's picture

You never fire someone without verifying your responsibilities, any contract terms, what you are liable for, getting Legal and HR on the same page, etc.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Scooter's picture

Seems Urban let recruits know first.  As he should have done.  Fans can wait.

Scooter

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Urban Master's picture

Damn dude - ya fucked up a good thing!  Now get your life in order - you have children!

MW

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Seattleosufan's picture

That is good advice for both Smith and his Ex. The kids didn’t asked to be brought into this world by two idiots that care more about getting back at each other than putting  their kids first. 

Deserves got nothin' to do with it

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Man, talk about coming across as completely misinformed. First, no one "asks" to be brought into this world so that statement alone is idiotic. I'm guessing you've never been a victim of spousal abuse or know someone who is but there's a documented history of domestic violence going back to when Smith was a GA at Florida and she was pregnant. Also, I seriously doubt she wanted him fired so I don't get where you get the idea that she's interested in "getting back" at him. There's no evidence to support that. If nothing else, there's child support and likely alimony and now he's unemployed from a $400K job and his career could be ruined as he's potentially unemployable--so how would Smith getting fired make her feel any better? More than likely, she felt threatened when he pulled into her driveway and did what she had to do given his history to protect herself. In that situation, she's a victim, not a co-conspirator. That incident was the final straw in a long-running cause-and-effect sequence that finally culminated in Smith's termination. Everything about their history says Smith was the agitator and this outcome was long overdue. 

That said, our own opinions and feelings as fans and bystanders aside, the Smiths are a family in conflict and I, for one, sincerely hope they are able to get through this for the better and not for the worse. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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allinosu's picture

I've seen it the other way around also were the women was just plain vengeful or crazy so you are just out there also. A lot of assumptions when we really don't know one way or the other. The whole thing is just sad for the kids one way or the other.

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Skunk bear blood's picture

Best for all.  

Buy the ticket take the ride.

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HattanBuck85's picture

Good riddance. 

"The height of human desire is what wins, whether it's on Normandy Beach or in Ohio Stadium." - Woody Hayes

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BBell601's picture

Had to happen.  I hope this doesn't affect us in the locker room or on the recruiting trail much!

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Extramedium's picture

If anything it will hurt recruiting the most.

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TNT's picture

Keeping him would have hurt it even more. You win with people. And you recruit families.

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BrutusB's picture

I’d be more worried about the locker room if he WASNT fired. 

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stxbuck's picture

Agree completely-team can't see the coaches as having a different set of basic moral rules than them.

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DefendYoungstown's picture

I hope this doesn't affect us in the locker room.

I'm calling it now, this will be the best the WRs have performed since Urban arrived.  

What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Funny DY, I was thinking the same thing.  They get to play for a guy who actually played WR at the top level.  The fact that I don't even know if Smith ever played the position is telling.

I sure hope Hartline's twitter thumbs are warmed up though...

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allinosu's picture

That was going to happen anyway with Haskins.

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NHBuckeye's picture

The right call.   Next man  WR Coach up.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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Extramedium's picture

Let's see if we can get another former head coach on the staff

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

What does this mean for recruiting? Impact with those set to sign for 2019/2020?

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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Notor's picture

It means we have a short-term, offseason PR issue rather than the long-term liability of a domestic abuser heading up our recruiting efforts.

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brutus0717's picture

I'm not standing up for Smith specifically, but in broader terms he's never been convicted of anything. We can all say he's guilty, but technically he's not.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Notor's picture

I didn't say he was guilty, I said he was a domestic abuser. You don't get arrested multiple times, have protection orders granted, and leave a long and detailed police record of domestic disturbances unless you are an abuser. Police aren't getting involved that much unless something very wrong is occurring. DV is different from sexual harrassment allegations - especially in this situation, when there is a decade of police paperwork detailing his toxic relationship.

Doesn't mean ZSmith is 100% in the wrong, but you cannot repeatedly put yourself in those positions. Especially if you want to make $300k a year of tax payer money as a public figure.

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D-Day0043's picture

Doesn’t someone have to threaten to kill someone in order to get an emergency protective order?

I know I tried to place one on my ex wife and that’s what they told me.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

No D-Day, just have to convince a judge that the individual may harm you or may be motivated to harm you. Often times a history of violent interaction can be enough. 

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allinosu's picture

I've seen police take the word of an women falsely accusing a man on multiple occasions. It's a nightmare for the police and the fear that the department will get accused of not backing a women these days does enter the equation. Once that happen one has history and is what you call a domestic abuser.Look a Zeke, the NFL had nothing on him as evidence or history but because of public opinion they acted. Now he has history and is a domestic abuser.  I don't know the truth about Zack and neither does anyone here.

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Jumar's picture

I'm not standing up for Smith specifically, but in broader terms he's never been convicted of anything. We can all say he's guilty, but technically he's not.

He is guilty of being stupid. Being in a position like that will cause every move to be scrutinized. He knew he wasn't supposed to be on her property and went anyway. if he simply would have kept his kids or found a babysitter if he had somewhere to go none of this would have happened.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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CedarBuck92's picture

I may have read it wrong but based on the original post about his court date I was under the impression he was dropping them off in line with the shared parenting plan. It still does not excuse being on her property against her will but if he didn't drop them off he would be in violation of the plan and get in trouble for that. If my reading was correct then I have to wonder if he tried to make other arrangements with her to transfer the children ( IE meet at walmart or speedway or have grandma pick them up and drop them off.) 

With all that being said if a protection order is being granted after this then there must be more to it. 

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TheDizzle's picture

Went through this in early 2017 with my step father. Domestic Violence is so hard to get a conviction for, it's basically word against word. That can't be the standard for whether he is guilty or not.

"The hate of men will pass, and dictators die, and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die, liberty will never perish" - Charlie Chaplin

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Domestic Violence is so hard to get a conviction for, it's basically word against word. That can't be the standard for whether he is guilty or not.

First, I hope you're OK. Many people endure unimaginable abuse, much of it verbal and emotional, before they find the courage to call it quits. But by then, if they're married and have children or even abused children themselves, leaving presents a whole new set of problems. So many try to gut it out and make the best of a bad situation because in their minds, staying with the devil they know is often preferable to the devil they don't know. And so the abuse continues, often escalating over time to physical violence. I know several women who endured a lot of suffering because they felt they had a moral obligation to stick it out because they still loved their husbands and had taken a vow "for better or for worse." 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Dstacify's picture

He's put himself in rotten positions to be accused three times now (all while working for Urban). Three strikes is it in my book. Even if it is not as bad as his ex-wife claims it does sound like there is very real animosity between them on some level and it is seriously clouding his judgment enough to violate trespassing agreements that were made clear to him by law. That in and of itself is concerning and we're talking about a guy here who is coaching young college students who are easily led down the wrong path at that age (I mean, do we really want to risk any Jameis Winstons on this team). That and in today's culture this kind of behavior is a PR shitstorm waiting to happen. If Meyer had stuck by him after this his job would've been called for as well.

11 Strong.

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HilltopHustle's picture

Delete this, unless you feel recruiting is the real victim here.

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script-ohio's picture

Oh gimee a break, it's a valid question.  Hell someone is probably working on an article to answer that very question.

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painterlad's picture

First and foremost, this is a Buckeye sports site. To pretend that fans aren't thinking about how this affects the current or future teams is admirable but naive. Of course domestic violence is a serious problem and it seems that OSU did the right and obvious thing by firing him, but right now a receiver recruit is getting a text from an opposing coach putting a bug in his ear.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

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Extramedium's picture

It's only the right thing if the accusations are true.  But since the accusations go back as far as they do I wonder why he was on the staff in the first place.

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BuckAlum09's picture

Relax man. Nobody is condoning or dismissing the abuse of women, nor the kids involved. We’re just keeping it buckeye football related here.

Take the pop culture shock and awe politics to Reddit or twitter. 

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

I’m not deleting. It is a valid question. 

This is an OSU website, feel free to keep it OSU. Thanks.

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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stpetebuck's picture

It means we osu can look mothers and fathers and prospects in the eyes  and say we do stand behind principles. We do believe in treating women with respect. If somehow mr Smith is truly innocent then she’s a horrible horrible person.  But  OSU football is an iconic nine digit a year institution that simply can’t afford to have dysfunctional highly paid coaches. Regardless of the legal outcome no assistant can have this ugly sideshow bringing down the massive athletic department. I don’t know anything about Zach Smith or care about his problems. I care more about the amateur athletes that he sells himself and the program to day in and day out. Smart move OSU. now be cautious and economical with your statements and move onward and upward. 

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CALPOPPY's picture

Dang, now, according to some commenter, Urban Meyer will now leave because he will not tolerate OSU dictating who is coaching for him.

\s

Memento mori

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bucknut1994's picture

How will OSU even be able to afford to pay Urban after Zach Smith sues the shit out of OSU?!

#94Ways

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shiloh's picture

Petty cash.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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I am Kirok's picture

Petty cash.

You mean straight Cash homie.

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Homey1970's picture

Won't happen.  The '5-0' got Smith...specifically, the paragraph 5.1(o) in his contract got him.  The 'disrepute' clause is going to be hard to beat.

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JimmyVanP's picture

The students' tuition! Our money goes DIRECTLY to the football program!!!

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

No, it doesn't. 

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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JimmyVanP's picture

Thanks for all the downvotes I thought my excessive use of exclamation points would show this was sarcasm but it's cool :)

"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

As an at-will, exempt employee who serves at the pleasure of Corch, he could have been fired for stinkin' up the bathroom at the Woody

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Homey1970's picture

As a connoisseur of flatulence, I take offense to you encouraging discrimination of a certain class of society.

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45has2's picture

Fart shaming by fartophobes is rampant. Let's riot.

Censores irrumasti.

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buckeyedude's picture

LMFAO! 

Best exchange on this thread!

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Assistant coaches get fired all the time, for any and no reason. Where's the ground for a lawsuit?

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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Dstacify's picture

Not saying Zach Smith has grounds for a lawsuit by any means (don't think he does) but where were Jim O'Brien's grounds for a lawsuit when the school fired him for committing recruiting violations and handing out improper benefits to his recruits (which he admitted to). He not only sued the school for wrongful termination, he won. Obviously that's a little more large-scale than this and even then recruiting violations don't compare to domestic violence in any way. But I look back at that and still question how O'Brien even had grounds to sue at all when he knowingly committed NCAA rules violations.

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jpfbucks01's picture

OSU screwed up in the O'Brien case. His contract read in a way that he had to have been convicted of committing and ncaa violation before he could be fired. OSU fired him before that ruling had come down and he had only been accused.

As the Toledo Blade reported at the time: "'O'Brien's lawsuit was built around an Ohio State contract that severely limited what the university could do and when it could do it if he broke NCAA bylaws. It required that the university take a series of steps before firing him, including a lengthy investigation by Ohio State and the NCAA."

Instead OSU fired him when the allegations were made public and before they had done any full investigation or before the NCAA had ruled on anything, hence formally breaching his contract. O'Brien won his back wages plus interest

A further element in his case is that OSU at the time agreed that O'Brien's loan was for humanitarian reasons and not done to gain a recruiting advantage, thus making the claim by them that O'Brien had breached his contract as not material.

The Ohio Supreme court agreed on appeal. It was a terribly drawn contract by OSU lawyers and Geiger didnt follow it to fire him.

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Dstacify's picture

Well hopefully the lawyers the school is employing now are much more competent (and Gene seems to be a much more competent AD than Geiger was considering not long after the O'Brien debacle Geiger's shady dealings with Clarett eventually forced him into retirement). The school definitely seemed to proceed with much more caution with Tressel than they did with O'Brien (although Tressel being much more willing to play nice and fall on the sword to keep the university and football program safe definitely played a huge part in that). Looking back it was a wonder the OSU basketball program survived the O'Brien fiasco. Matta deserves a lot of credit for that. He came in and turned things around almost immediately (including bringing the Thad 5 to Columbus in only his third season and winning a B1G title in only his second).

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JTFor President2016's picture

Don’t forget the million dollar lawsuit 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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huffdaddy's picture

Right. BJ says first the 8 figure lawsuit, then UFM walks. And then we all acknowledge how right BJ was all along! 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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CALPOPPY's picture

BJ says first the 8 figure lawsuit...

Who said anything about Buckeye Jack? I just said some commenters. Read it, it's right there.

Oh...what do you mean that I forgot the 's' at the end of commenters, which led you to believe that I was talking about one specific commenter? Gee whiz. Oh well, guess I messed up.

Memento mori

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Buckeye Jack's picture

If Meyer agreed to it then it is over.  If the OSU president or the AD is micro-managing Meyer's staff decisions, then IMO, Meyer will entertain any of the 8 digit offers he is certain to receive. 

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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bucknut1994's picture

Funny how your story always changes so quickly. Guess that's what happens when strike out looking a few times, hurts the ol batting average. 

#94Ways

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avail31678's picture

LMAO - micro-managing?????  Did you really just suggest that firing an employee for documented reports of domestic violence is "micro-managing?"  

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Fatpants's picture

Meyer isn’t leaving because his lowest paid assistant got fired because he couldn’t keep his hands of his wife. 

PG <3 PG

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

When was Smith hitting on Shelley? Did I miss something?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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Fatpants's picture

That’s tomorrow’s headline. 

PG <3 PG

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Meyer isn’t leaving because his lowest paid assistant got fired because he couldn’t keep his hands of his wife. 

No, But Meyer would leave if his longest tenured assistant had been denied Due Process.  And was dismissed against Meyer's wishes.  Particularly after that strange precipitating driveway incident.

It is also possible that Smith withheld actual criminal facts of the '09 incident from Meyer (not saying there was an actual criminal incident - just "what if").  If that is the case, then good riddance. 

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Fatpants's picture

Is this your next crazy prediction?

Hell, Meyer should’ve left him in Florida after he roughed up his pregnant wife because she was mad about “Baby”

PG <3 PG

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Homey1970's picture

Buckeye Jack Zach is full of nutsBuckeyes, nuggets tonight.

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avail31678's picture

I’m just glad Buckeye Jack is clearly so close to Meyer and knows beyond doubt that Meyer would leave if Smith was “forced out.”  Ofherwise we wouldn’t know the #truth.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Meyer was an honorary member of my country club in Utah (with full club privileges) . I wasn't particularly close to him, but knew several of his assistants fairly well. I made sure they had member sponsors any time they wanted to play golf.  Many hours in the card room with these guys.  His management style was often discussed among coaches and boosters - i.e.  "I'll do my job. Hope you like it.  If not, fire me. But do not interfere."  The big-shot Utah AD ignored this,and Meyer cut his tenure at Utah short.  Regardless of their offers and Utah offered a lot.

Boosters and admin and parents and ex-jocks and ex coaches ALL want their "hand print in the cement".  Once that bullshit starts, it screws up the entire program - never gets better, always gets worse - like 50 Jerry Jonses' trying to call all the shots. It is an HC's worst nightmare.  The smart HC's don't tolerate any of it.  it's Head-Coach-Krypton.

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BrutusB's picture

Urban left Utah because he was choosing between Florida and Notre Dame. If you actually think he left because of the Utah AD you’re out of your mind. 

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bucknut1994's picture

No no Urban wanted to stay at a MWC school (at the time) instead of getting a promotion just so he could eventually get to golf with BJ. Then the AD pissed him off and he left. 

#94Ways

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Meyer was never going to Notre Dame.  Their admissions requirements at the time were set in stone, and Meyer saw no hope there.  He spoke with them as a courtesy only. 

Meyer made his deal at Utah with president Bernie Machen.  He had 2 year contract with a handshake agreement for extensions with conditions.  Machen left Utah at the end of Meyer's first year to become the president at Florida. Machen and Meyer were pals.

The new Utah president turned the deal over to a micro-managing AD, Chris Hill, PhD ("call me DOCTOR Hill" - as he was not so affectionately known).  Hill reneged on key provisions.  Meyer let it be known that he would now be available, and Machen snapped him up.  Notre Dame was never in the picture, because of their admissions (now somewhat improved)

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jpfbucks01's picture

Utah was paying Meyer $400K a year, Florida offered him $2 million a year. Larger program, greater chance at titles and 400% raise, i dont care who the AD was, or what "micor managing" he may have been doing, Meyer was leaving.

Also he had a 5 year deal with Utah https://archive.unews.utah.edu/news_releases/utah-hires-urban-meyer-as-its-new-football-coach/

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Huntsman and several other boosters offered substantially more than 2 million - pretty much a blank check (pocket change for these guys*). They pay Whittingham 3.3 million - great guy, but he's not remotely close to Urban Meyer as a coach.  His agreement with Bernie Machen was to stay 2 years, then renegotiate,  $400K was his "test drive" number.  

Utah was coming off an undefeated season. Florida was a mess.  If Chris Hill hadn't been such a dick, Meyer would have stayed much longer. And Utah would probably have been in the Pac conference years earlier.

*Huntsman was widely recognized for his humanitarian giving which, including contributions to the homeless, the ill and the under-privileged, exceeds $1.5 billion and has assisted thousands, both domestically and internationally

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Huntsman_Sr.

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SilvioDante's picture

BJ, ladies and gents!

"Tina, you fat lard, come get some DINNER!... Tina, eat. Food. Eat the FOOD!"

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Jack, you ever going to give up?

Feed the trolls

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bucknut1994's picture

Hell no and if we don't go 15-0 next year he will be back bitching about how that damn Urban Meyer made a mistake firing Zach Smith. 

#94Ways

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ChristianHaven's picture

I'm new and it appears to me that Buckeye Jack is a good thing for the site by inciting opposing comment after comment that increases 11W site usage 20 fold.  I'm sure the owners would be quite happy to have him stick around.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I'm new

You're not that new, Christian.

And if you only knew...

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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ChristianHaven's picture

New enough that I don't know. And so... what don't I know that I should know?

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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osu992's picture

That you are more right than expected, except that the comments don't drive revenue like you might think. It's paradoxical. Don't worry about it. I'm also new, so I don't get it either.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

Ask 68, he can explain anything... and in some very deep, nonsensical way. 

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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BuckAlum09's picture

He didn’t have a choice. There were no options to weigh here in order to even pick between a right thing  or a wrong thing. 

Optics and talking heads will say the “right thing” should’ve taken place years ago. Just a miserable situation and distraction right before fall camp is about to kick off. 

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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Buckeyedad1016's picture

You cannot dismiss or suspend players for accusations/investigations/charges of domestic abuse (remember C. Hyde?) and allow a coach to stay on after an issuance of a protective order.  No matter how much he is ingrained with you or your family personally.

But an interesting "what if", what if Coach Earle was still living?

Mwbuckeyebred

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buckzilla1's picture

I have a pretty good idea that Earle would have made Zach resign and keep his mouth shut. This would of been the best way for Zach to address the problems he has to face and not bring any more ill repute to Zach, Earle, Urban and The Ohio State University. I got a bad feeling that this termination won't set well with Smith and his future especially after Earle's death. He has a bad habit of tweeting off at the mouth and it has come home to roost.

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THEOSUfan's picture

He was clearly - at least to me - the weak link on the coaching staff. He recruited some great talent, but I didn't see them taking big steps year to year. All that double-pumping JT did for 4 years? The receivers had trouble getting off the line, running precise routes, and getting to a spot on time. I felt that was coaching.

I remember ranting about it on here a few years ago, and I half-joked that the only thing that made sense was that Urban's loyalty wouldn't let him can him until Earle died. So...

But domestic violence is the reason because of the nature of that problem, and the timing is bad. So this was something that had to be done, not something that Urban wanted to do. Or maybe it was out of his hands.

Regardless, setting aside the reason for this firing, and just looking at it football-wise, I think the WRs are going to be in a much better situation with their coaching because I have doubts Zach could coach dogs to bark.

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BrutusB's picture

Urban deserves heat for allowing him to stay on staff after both the 09 and 15 incidents. He doesn’t get praise for finally doing the inevitable now. 

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TheBadOwl's picture

Yeah I'm really disappointed in Urban for not firing him in 2015 (and for hiring him in 2012, knowing full well about the 2009 incident) 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

First time incident in 2009, with no charges filed? I can see where this was viewed as a one off. Keep in mind too, Coach Meyer 2018 is not the same man as Coach Meyer 2009. Dec 2009 is when he ended up in a hospital thinking he was dying of a heart attack. 

WRT the 2015 incident, we don’t know what conversations went on between Meyer, Zach Smith, Gene Smith and the University. There’s a whole lot information that we don’t have access to, and trying to fill in those blanks is dangerous. 

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So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

That is EXACTLY right.

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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Oakland Buckeye's picture

my guess is after incident #2 in 2015 is when UFM told him to look for another job.

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swflbuckeye1's picture

Yes. Would like to know if this would impact Garrett Wilson? Or Washington and Williams?

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BStateOuckeyes69's picture

It impacts all of our recruiting, but he needed to be gone. Urban will just have to get more involved in that area.

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JTFor President2016's picture

I’d choose to get him out of the door in a heartbeat before I worried about recruiting 

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Extramedium's picture

I'm sure you would have.  But Urban needs to get back to work tomorrow and work involves recruiting.  We can't all be like ya boy Kirk Ferentz and coast on COY awards with 3 stars.

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LouBuck35's picture

Wilson said he already talked to UFM. 100% still in.

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stxbuck's picture

Doubt it will affect Wilson, he has a lot of local/family connections to Columbus.

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wyatt's picture

Hope they chose/choose the OSU for development as a football player/student, life after football and feeling with other teammates more than Zach Smith. 

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Firedup's picture

Yikes

"Making the Great State of Ohio Proud!" UFM

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Good. 

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BStateOuckeyes69's picture

Can't coach worth a lick and has a dark cloud over his head? Bye Bye

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Extramedium's picture

Agreed, but players/recruits love him and hes put more WRs in the NFL than any other by a long shot in recent years.  I'm sure that will continue regardless but it could hurt in the short term.

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The Rill Dill's picture

He didn’t ‘put’ anyone in the NFL. The talent of the players ‘put’ them there.

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buckslan's picture

The same can be said for the DL recruits under Larry Johnson then.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Actually DL has been a strength and WR has talent, but hasn’t always produced. 

Feed the trolls

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

Yes the same can be said for Larry Johnson.  No one makes to the NFL without the talent to be there and you don't teach talent, you teach technique. The NFL is full of defensive linemen who have never spent a day with Johnson.

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costinjr's picture

Quantity vs Quality - Thomas got there on his own. I’d take Boston, Ginn, Hartline, Jenkins over the NFL careers of Devin Smith, Marshall, Philly and...uhh Braxton I guess? Who am I missing?

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Big Horn Buckeye's picture

Curtis Samuel....

Always and forever, Go Bucks!

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JTFor President2016's picture

Good move. Address it in intros tomorrow. Move on. Beat Oregon state. 

Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win. 

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brutus0717's picture

Can't really argue with this, legally speaking. I know he's never been convicted, but sometimes enough is enough.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Extramedium's picture

Where there is smoke there's fire, and there seems to be a lot of smoke.  Although I'd never heard of any of it before last week.

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D-Day0043's picture

I hadn’t heard about any of it either. Of course I wouldn’t have any idea about what happened back in 2009 in Florida because I pay absolutely zero attention to any other team besides the Buckeyes, but I don’t recall hearing a thing about the incident in 2015 at all.

When you lose, say little. When you win, say less.

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Numbers's picture

The questionals remain. What made him unemployable tonight but employable the last however many years? Or on friday for that matter?

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brutus0717's picture

Publicity.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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buno67's picture

negative publicity, same with GS not getting the Tenn. coaching job.

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stxbuck's picture

This. If the skeleton falls out of the closet, you gotta get rid of it.

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Notor's picture

Coverage. It's not defendable that it took this long for this pattern of behavior to become an issue. Not a good look for OSU/the program.

Cannot have headlines relating to domestic violence, protection orders, and arrests if you want to make $300k of tax payer money a year and serve as a public figure/mentor to young men.

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DrSpaceman's picture

I mean if the domestic violence protection order was truly the last straw, I'll cut OSU some slack for taking one business day to evaluate and then let him go.

But I get the point you're making (re: the decision making process at work here) and I think it's something that needs to be addressed. Whether it will to the extent that the general public would like is another question.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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Numbers's picture

I guess it was but it sure cannot be the 2009 and 2015 incidents. No way meyer can claim ignorance on those 2 imo.

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BuckeyeVet's picture

In 2009 Smith was a graduate assistant. No charges were filed. It could have flown under the radar, I suppose. But not 2015.

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TheBadOwl's picture

I'm not sure there's any way Urban can really justify it.

He could play the "I believed his defense back then, but today's climate made me research the issue and changed my perspective on how serious it is" card, but… he's talked up the 'respect women' angle of OSU football's culture since before 2015. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Because thats all that really matters, that he keeps YOU happy, right?

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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BrutusB's picture

That question is going to be the first one asked tomorrow at Media Day. Urban is in for a very unpleasant line of fire. 

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huffdaddy's picture

he's gonna punt and say it's a legal matter. and the question is whether reporters will let him get away with that.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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ladybuckeye's picture

I think the last event (breaking protective order) was the straw that broke the camel's back. Until then I guess they were giving him a second chance.

ladybuckeye

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ohiopanda's picture

You mean third chance, right?

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ohiopanda's picture

My thoughts exactly. Sad that it took publicity of his past for Urban/Ohio State to get rid of him, after years of documented violence. 

This wasn’t a ‘last straw’ type thing - a questionable trespassing event is nothing other than it brought attention to what happened in 2009/2015. Really curious as to why Urban was willing to keep a guy that repeatedly assaulted his wife. Not reason to fire Urban at all, but it’s disappointing

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AuglaizeDonuts's picture

Hope he can get it together. For his kids as much as himself. 

GO BUCKS

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huffdaddy's picture

Will he tweet about this or nah?

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Kpdunphy's picture

Say no more. Now we can probably develop our WR to be more productive. Great recruiter. Not so much coach.

"Lost to VT at home? You kidding me? Ohio State is going to lose at least 4-5 more games"

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polarbuck's picture

Actions have consequences. 

You need to be humble or you will get humbled. - Jocko Willink

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buckmark1's picture

can i assume there will be a story about the impact on the current wr's, committed recruits, etc?

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buno67's picture

I believe Wilson has said he is still committed to Urbz. 11W tweeted or retweeted something about it.

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mockjocks's picture

No way he was going to be able to survive this. Probably better for media days tomorrow. Urban will obviously have to address this tomorrow, but it should make it easier to talk about. No loose ends. Case closed, and moving forward.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Welp. Next coach up.

Again: NOBODY is above the brand.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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tbdbitlbuck's picture

Don’t need this type of distraction around the program from any coach. Especially don’t need it from a middling at best coach. 

Get someone serious in here

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Sanantonefan's picture

A sad, but necessary move. Hope he gets his life together for the sake of his family, especially his kiddos.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Completely agree, S.A.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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ZekeWeberDobbins's picture

He was a so-so coach, he was one of the few WR coaches who could actually teach his receivers to block downfield though. But now is the time to upgrade the WR coach position and get us rolling into the natty.

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Homey1970's picture

Is this the opposite of a 'BOOM'? 

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FitzBuck's picture

I can’t take my eyes off this gif.  My mind is trying to figure out how this is possible.  Someone feel free to explain.  I really don’t know.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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buckeyedude's picture

A really strong vacuum? 

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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Buckeyeneer's picture

Yup. At least, that is how they described it on the show "Outrageous Acts of Science".

"Because the rules won't let you go for three." - Woody Hayes

THE Ohio State University

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buckzilla1's picture

Fitz, this hollow tanker was filled with air by the New England Patriots Ball boy. 

Hey Cancer! This ass kicking is brought to you by the Guernsey county mafia. Give it Hell 84!

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Railroader checking in...this happens when you unload without opening the vent valve. Creates negative pressure inside the tank which leads to implosion.

Noon games suck

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FitzBuck's picture

Thanks for the explanation.  I’m not sure how thick the walls are but it’s truly amazing.  

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Sanantonefan's picture

I thought it was the air being sucked out of the TTUN recruiting train after their most recent decommitment.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Wasn't this on the Myth Busters?  

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buno67's picture

Is there a short list of who can potentially replace him? I really want a WR coach who has aspirations of being an OC someday. Smith acted like he was too comfortable in his job and just wanted to stay there.

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LouBuck35's picture

There happens to be a former Buckeye and NFL WR on staff who might know a thing or two on how to be good at it...just sayin'.

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beavis's picture

agreed. i'd give hartline the job to see how he handles it. he'll have meyer, wilson, and day for help.

beavis

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Onwards and upwards as they say. OSU will be fine. Hoping they can work out something amicable for the children's sake. I wont kick a man who's down from behind a computer screen

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allbucksallthetime's picture

BuckeyeSki.  I second that and will not convict/condemn a man from my computer.  I wish no man bad.  Hopefully. Zach Smith and his wife can get on with their lives for the sake of their children.  

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43201Indianola's picture

Glad to hear he is gone !!

I never like him anyways,  Brian Hartline step on up !!

Top of the food chain

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DibbleDabble's picture

You do not promote Hartline, who I like being on staff, to replace Zach.  Need someone with more time, experience, and results in recruiting for this top 5 program.  Urban will have his pick on the litter for this hire.

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

He may have his pick next offseason, but we are so close to camp opening...is it realistic to think he can go snag anyone he wants at this point?

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DibbleDabble's picture

Valid question, so up-vote.

I think Urban can, I honestly do.  And I think the timing is actually not bad at all.  This is Ohio State.  Urban Meyer.  Good coaches / recruiters will be knocking down his down as of tonight IMO.

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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Maka's picture

Holtsman was very late notice and that has worked out pretty damn well thus far. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Fair point.  

You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton

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Extramedium's picture

Hopefully he does better than that one time he picked Tim Beck to replace Tom Herman.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

We are a top 5 program. We should shop for and pay for the best available talent. Starting in September we will be potentially passing more often. The best available coach to maximize efficiency of receivers seems smart. Interview the best candidates then make the best hire.

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typeOHpositive's picture

How much time and experience did Smith have when he was hired at 27 to be OSU's WR coach....nevermind the fact that he never played the position...what makes you think Hartline, with his pedigree, wouldn't be as or more effective?

"I don't want to be around average, why be around average!" -UFM

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NHBuckeye's picture

Will be interesting to see if Hartline gets promoted.  If the staff feels that he's not ready who are some good names out there for the spot? 

Fields of Dreams

 

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LouBuck35's picture

Don't think they have only choice. No one is jumping ship from another program with a few weeks until camp starts.

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BStateOuckeyes69's picture

Exactly. I don't think losing Smith will be a problem. We have two OC's, Urban Meyer, and Hartline on staff. We are not undermanned by any stretch.

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DibbleDabble's picture

Lou, I disagree completely.

So what if fall camp starts in a few weeks.  If a quality coach / recruiter is offered a promotion to a top 5 power like Ohio State with an opportunity to work with Urban and this excellent staff of coaches and talent..  he would be stupid not to seriously consider it.

I think timing is actually good here for a new hire, and we will get a great coach accept the position before fall camp opens.

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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smith5568's picture

Going to have to disagree with the "timing is actually good" statement. It isn't that easy to just drop in a new WR coach. You have terminology, new playbook, new personnel, new schemes, coaching style differences, new drills at practices or do you keep prior ones, etc. All that learned in a few weeks? Far from "good" when we have seen it take a coach a full year to get situated. This isn't just plugging someone in.  

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DibbleDabble's picture

you make the hire based on coaching talent and recruiting ability.  Timing is fine.  This is an experienced WR room, with loads of talent, and recruiting is ticking up, plus the new hire will have plenty of help from an excellent offensive coaching staff around him moving forward. 

You do not make this hire based on "only 3 weeks before fall camp opens", you base it off getting the right coach for the position.  This is Ohio State.  This is Urban Meyer.  You go get the right coach and everything else will take care of itself.

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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LouBuck35's picture

I just don't believe they will rush into something. I have no idea about Hartlines ability to recruit. He might be great given some time. I'd also bet my house he knows more about how to play the position than Zach Smith did. You have an NFL caliber player available to coach a group he is very skilled at. Seems like a short term to long term no brainer.

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Pahimar's picture

I think that the timing is actually even better to audition Hartline if Urban and his staff think he might be up to it.

I partially agree with you that I think Urban probably could recruit someone good even at this time of year, but IMO the pool is definitely going to be more limited given the timing, even for Urban and OSU. Opportunities from Ohio State don't come around every day, but the kinds of guys Ohio State is going to offer also know they will get other big time offers in the future if they are patient and continue to perform. There are potential downsides to bailing last minute on your current gig and coming in completely cold to take over a position room on the eve of fall camp.

Alternatively, you give Hartline a shot as interim WR coach. If the season goes well then you keep him. If it goes less than well then you can take your time and take your pick of anyone in the offseason and put Hartline back in a different role with (hopefully) minimal hard feelings.

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Pahimar's picture

Whelp...just read James's article. He said it more gooder.

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Extramedium's picture

If someone has a chance to jump to OSU I honestly don't think it would make a difference even if camp started last week.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

If you were a great WR coach would you not take Urban's call to discuss the opening at Ohio State ? I know you would.

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DibbleDabble's picture

I'm ok with this.  Ohio State had more information then any of us, so I trust it was justified.

Time to move on..
 

"Vision without execution is just hallucination."

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Seattle Linga's picture

Hands down the best move overall for the university. 

Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!

It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.

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shiloh's picture

So the previous Smith thread is now moot.

The university just had to get all their ducks in a row before the inevitable. Cut your losses and move on ...

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Really depends on the situation.  If Meyer approved of the firing, then that's the end of it - Smith served at the pleasure of Coach Meyer - section 1.2 of the contract pictured on 11W.

But if admin swept Meyer's wishes aside and fired Smith, then yeah, I think Meyer will entertain offers and leave fairly soon.  Once admin starts meddling, there is no end to it.

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LouBuck35's picture

Statement said specifically that Urban Meyer announced the termination for what it's worth.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

 was fired on Monday, the university announced in a statement.

Didn't see the Urban Meyer aspect of the announcement. Ill google it. 

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LouBuck35's picture

Sorry - saw it on Twitter and think 11W RT'ed the statement. Assumed it was included in the article and it wasn't.

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Buckeye Jack's picture

 “Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer has announced the termination of wide receiver’s coach Zach Smith. Coaching staff adjustments will be announced at a later date.”

Apparently this is the sum total of the statement.

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BELLEFONTAINEBUCKEYE's picture

Google can be your friend BJ (or not) i just googled richard lagow, and all i got was the unemployment.gov!

IMADELOUSYPICKS

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BuckAlum09's picture

Well you gotta know that there’s some serious optics and perception at play here. 

I’d bet my bonus there were a slew of lawyers, as well as a PR consulting firm, on site making sure every T was crossed in doing this. 

Damage control was the theme of the day in Gene’s office. 

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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ChristianHaven's picture

For sure. But did they dot the i? 

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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DrSpaceman's picture

You don't have to do this to yourself, man.

"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman

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Extramedium's picture

Meyer isn't stupid.  He's not keeping someone with this kind of cloud over his head on the staff

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FitzBuck's picture

I think we might have forgotten this.  It’s a core value going back to Florida.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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stxbuck's picture

Uh....the communication of those values was somewhat lacking at Florida.....just sayin..................

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Maka's picture

Meyer leaving would look like he is defending an "alleged" wife beater. No one is that dumb....i take that back....at least 1 person is that dumb. Wanna know who BJ? Find a mirror. 

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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TheBadOwl's picture

But if admin swept Meyer's wishes aside and fired Smith, then yeah, I think Meyer will entertain offers and leave fairly soon.

If Meyer's wishes were to keep a multiple-time accused domestic abuser on staff, I'd happily watch him leave too. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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McGrind's picture

worst part seems like it has been ongoing for years...hope not for everyone sake. always two sides to the story...but damn you just have to be smart...if it says stay 500 feet away..then stay a 1000 feet away.

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Zach Smith was not up to OSU standards. Why it took this to let him go is mindboggling....

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Homey1970's picture

Seriously, hope Smith can get help with his problem(s).  Seems like alcohol may have its grip on him.

Stoked thinking about a potential Hartline (protege) and UFM (mentor) WR combo.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

You dont fucking know that.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Homey1970's picture

Pardon me but I said ‘may’.  From another 11W article...

An altercation ensued with Courtney, three months pregnant at the time, alleging that Zach threw her into the wall of their bedroom. The report states: "a verbal argument took place over the female and questions of infidelity arose. Courtney stated Zach was intoxicated and she took the female to her house. … Courtney stated when she returned to her residence, a heated argument ensued in the upstairs bedroom. Courtney stated she tried to get Zach out of her bed, which he refused and then forcefully grabbed her.”

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2018/07/94553/zach-sm...

All of the events that are described in this paragraph COULD be partially explained by a drinking problem.

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Zimmy07's picture

I don’t know the whole story on this but when I read the article earlier in the day I can say I was highly pissed off about what I read.  

Goodbye Smith.  I suggest taking a new path that involves helping people who are in DV situations.

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mr.green's picture

None of us knows the whole story. But many have opined. I’m pissed too and satisfied that we can move forward. Let’s go. 

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JJBuckeye's picture

This is definitely the right decision. Hope Zach will use this time to reflect and work on any issues that comes from that reflection time. Hope the best for the kids and their mother. Go Bucks

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Buck68's picture

Amidst all our numbers and feelings and judgments... has anyone mentioned the standards Urban Meyer nailed to his wall?

Absent a higher standard, we crown our self King... 

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BrutusB's picture

Has anyone asked asked why Meyer himself seems to have ignored them?

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NoskerHouseRules's picture

Maybe because he knows the situation as well as anyone...... we have one side.  

Had to be fired today due to public perception, not because the evidence warrants.  

truth > confirmation

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Notor's picture

But the evidence does warrant it. I'm not reacting to mob mentality, I'm reacting to reading the police reports that detail 10+ years of DV and poor decisions by ZSmith. There is plenty of evidence there. He should not be in a position to mentor young men and he should not be a representative of the university. He needs to get his own life in order.

He also didn't produce on the field, either.

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NoskerHouseRules's picture

Your last comment is interesting, and I believe is really at the heart of the matter. Would we be using words like "evidence" or would be using words like "alleged" if it were Larry Johnson who was accused? Admittedly, I have not seen the police reports, but the only evidence I have seen mentioned is a stretched shirt.  I have not seen mention of bruising, injury, etc. 

Again, ZS HAD to be fired for poor decision making an immaturity.  100% has to get his life in order.  I simply have not seen enough "evidence" to state that his firing is a result of DV evidence.  Maybe I am naive about our criminal justice systems to get a conviction, or at least get to trial. 

truth > confirmation

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Buck68's picture

in logical fallacies,

"seems to" is a Facade [cover] for, in this instance, an unsupported pejorative assertion.

But of course, it really is whatever i feel...  in Diversity.  Honest.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Amidst all our numbers and feelings and judgments... has anyone mentioned the standards Urban Meyer nailed to his wall?

Yep. It has been mentioned multiple times that there is a tad bit hyprocisy in retaining Zach Smith after you have that on the wall, and Carlos Hyde was suspended for 4 games for an action that had no criminal prosecution but didn't look good.

Personally, I thought I was King. But maybe I'm delusional... and I always thought that I set the higher standard.

Memento mori

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toad1204's picture

Keep looking down on us peasants from your ivory tower

The offseason is the longest season.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Keep looking down on us peasants from your ivory tower

FINALLY, someone understands their role.

Memento mori

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Buck68's picture

CALPOPPY...

yes... i set a rather low bar there....

agree, self-delusion common to man.

But how can i set a standard higher than... me?  Much less follow it....

But yay!  We've at last climbed to the Mountaintop of Recognition... revealing wide ranges of discussion....  Perhaps over a beer... soon?

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CALPOPPY's picture

But yay!  We've at last climbed to the Mountaintop of Recognition... revealing wide ranges of discussion....  Perhaps over a beer... soon?

Yep.

Hopefully we can share a beer at some point soon. It'd be a pleasure...at least for me. I may drive others nuts, though, and they wish they hadn't agreed to beers.

Memento mori

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buckzilla1's picture

I'd buy the beers for ya both. That would be a pitence for the glossary of knowledge that old Al Cohol would pry from inside the domes of you two fellas.

Hey Cancer! This ass kicking is brought to you by the Guernsey county mafia. Give it Hell 84!

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Buck68's picture

clever escalation to the plural, Poppy,   

"beerS".

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Shawnbuck927's picture

Next man up ! I remember the days when we were “Wide Receiver U” ! Time to make Ohio State U receivers great again ! :) MOSURGA !!!! 

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BrutusB's picture

He’s a garbage human being. Bye. 

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Rush700's picture

Seems like someone who’s head got a little too big because of who his grandfather was.  Too bad he didn’t pay more attention to who his grandfather was.  Earl would be sorely disappointed today.

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Homey1970's picture

One thing Urban is probably 'happy' about is the fact that Earle isn't around to see it.

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Skunk bear blood's picture

Earle isn't around to see it.

 Exactly that Homey.....was thinking the same thing.  I'm glad Earle isn't here to see this.
However, I'm sure he had a clue as to his grandson's history.

Buy the ticket take the ride.

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bd2999's picture

He deserved it, it likely will impact recruiting some but this was important to the program. 

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shiloh's picture

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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Jumar's picture

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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Doug James's picture

Smith didn't play football and Hartline played in the NFL........

DJ

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huffdaddy's picture

but I have no idea who Hartline's grandpa is. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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buckguyfan1's picture

Veteran core of receivers and a guy to get them the rock.  Not worried on that front.

Going to have to re-recruit a few I suppose.

Nobody's perfect, but you just can't do that shit.  Glad he's gone.

Simplify...

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bonebuck's picture

Bring on Brian Hartline!!! I think he would make an awesome coach with NFL experience.

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0H-10's picture

Wonder if Joey Galloway might want a different gig this fall?

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82spencer's picture

And now the attention turns to Urban. It’ll be quite interesting to see how he defends having Smith on the staff all this time. 

I don't believe in no-win scenarios

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Nappy's picture

Right move for obvious reasons. Had to be done. But considering he pretty much sucked at his job, I'm extra ok with it.

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Maka's picture

Agree. Some would say he developed Michael Thomas. Thats a huge hell no. MT developed MT and he should have left here a 1st team AA. Time for the next Alpha to stand up in Zone6 and lead the squad. Smith acted like a spoiled immature brat here. Never liked him either. 

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shiloh's picture

More likely his uncle, Keyshawn Johnson, had a big impact on his development.

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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NoskerHouseRules's picture

Jeez. Mobs these days are quite remarkable.  Should ZS have been fired? Absolutely. Did ZS deserve to be fired? Maybe.  Fantastic, not average recruiter with a pipeline to the NFL, that had questionable in game results and clearly some poor decision making.  We have heard one side of the story, and his attorney asked some compelling questions, albeit irrelevant in the court of public perception   

My guess is this is one of the hardest personnel decisions Urban has ever made. Probably feels like he let Earle down. 

Again, had to do it, but I am not going to dance on ZS’s grave. 

truth > confirmation

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

^ One of the few sensible posts in this thread.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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stxbuck's picture

Urban should absolutely NOT feel like he let Earle down. Nepotism is not a positive moral value, and sparing someone the deserved consequences of their their actions because of it does not reflect well on the character of the patriarch/root of the tree-even if they had no specific input into the decision making process. I agree with those who say it is a good thing Earle Bruce did not have to see this sorry mess play out in public.

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Chicago Connection's picture

I wish Smith the best. We don't know the details behind close doors, so I'll refrain from any judgments about him or his ex-wife, for whom I likewise wish the best.

I'm guessing that he'll eventually latch onto a job somewhere else, albeit after a bit of a timeout of a year or so, and the good news is that distance will probably serve him well per his relationship with his ex, assuming that proximity breeds contempt, which is often the case in these sorts of emotionally-charged situations. 

I only hope that his kids don't suffer.

A dad in Smith's position typically will get partial custody, which means he probably won't be able to see the kids on a daily basis during the school year, but he'll likely wind up with almost the same amount of total time as if he lived in the same city, getting their summer vacation, holidays, etc..

In fact, many dads and their kids feel like the continuity and quality of time that they spend with each other is improved under this arrangement (vs. kids being juggled back and forth between parents during the week and/or every weekend).

But the best part (for the kids and their father) is that it minimizes the need for parental interaction and potential fireworks.

Meanwhile, best of luck to his other kids--the Buckeye WRs. Fortunately, they're supposed to be one of the best position groups in terms of unity and leadership, and I'd like to think this will see them circling the wagons and being more responsible and mature than ever.   

 

chicagobuckeye

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NoskerHouseRules's picture

Well said. Much better than what I attempted to say.  

truth > confirmation

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Oakland Buckeye's picture

This & your other post earlier Chicago are two of the better written and mature approaches to this. 2 thumbs up - you too Nosker!!

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Davep160's picture

If Meyer holds his players responsible,  the coaches should be judged the same way.   I truly hope the family heals and can eventually move on.

The lord of brevity.

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BuckeyeinSF's picture

To be honest, I've been hoping for a while that he'd move on from his coaching career at Ohio State. The immaturity of his twitter wars with people always rubbed me the wrong way. Hate to see this happen so close to the season but in the long run, this is for the best.

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AZBuck LHC's picture

Well, I'm not going to comment on his situation. However, I will say that for the most part, development of the team's receivers has been disappointing. The Buckeye's under Meyer have really only had one solid year(2014) of receiver production. Yes, the QB's and the offensive play-calling also have played a part in the problems, but the position Coach has not consistently lead his room to be effective route-runners and reliable pass-catchers. That position Coach job desperately needs an upgrade because the talent is there.

Buckeye B

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OSU2002Grad's picture

Urban gonna have an uncomfortable day tomorrow and, quite frankly, he deserves to have to answer some tough questions for not firing Smith in 2015.

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TheBadOwl's picture

As he should.

The 2009 incident would have come up in a background check. The 2015 incident should have ended Smith's coaching career, full stop. 

Meyer had better have one hell of a statement. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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Pahimar's picture

The 2009 incident would have come up in a background check.

That is an interesting assertion. I honestly don't know if that is true or not but I'm curious if anyone knows more. I do know that the types of background checks vary and what may be reported on a criminal background check varies from state to state. If no charges were filed, would a 3-year old police report from another state show up on a criminal background check?

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TheBadOwl's picture

As far as I know, arrests come up in employee background checks – not just convictions or charges. 

I personally find it unlikely that Meyer – his boss at the time (at Florida) – wouldn't have known about it regardless.

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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Pahimar's picture

Meyer had better have one hell of a statement. 

I expect his statement to be incredibly bland and largely uninformative, however much we may wish otherwise. That is the way of the world generally. 

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NoskerHouseRules's picture

I am guessing that Urban will lose more sleep because he was unable to keep his mentor's grandson out of trouble than answering press questions. 

Considering ZS was suggested to find other jobs in the offseason, a salary that was one of 2 that did not include an increase, oh and the fact that Ryan Day was going to spend more time with WRs, my guess is that Urban would have been perfectly content to cut him loose prior.  

In other words, I think Urban, having infinitely better information than you or I, feels content in how he managed.  

truth > confirmation

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collards's picture

Earl was still alive.

Collards

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

Because the soon to be ex wife called police but  once again didn't file charges.  And there was no evidence at that time of any physical abuse. 

If any of you have ever been on the receiving end of a vindictive ex, you might have a bit more understanding when there is zero evidence of what you are being accused of, but everyone wants to destroy you because we now live in a reality show society.

There was no way OSU could continue Smith's employment when he had a restraining order issued against him. I agree with the decision to fire him, but I'm not dancing in the streets and calling him a "wife beater" and waiting to slam Urban for not firing him three years ago despite the fact he was not charged nor jailed for domestic abuse. The amount of joyfulness around here is actually rather disgusting.

I'm sure Jay Harbaugh already has the recruiting signs printed. Lord knows he has gotten plenty of material here today.

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Notor's picture

If his ex-wife wanted to ruin his life she could've easily filed charges. There is no evidence supporting a "vindictive ex" situation. ZSmith has a 10+ year record of police reports detailing numerous domestic violence situations, including ones where the police corroborate injuries to his ex-wife.

Victim-blaming her and exonerating ZSmith because charges weren't filed is ridiculous. Who wants the father of their children, breadwinner, (and someone they probably love, in a sick way) in jail? Not many people, which is why DV is underreported and so many suffer in silence.

He was an unqualified nepotism beneficiary when hired. He hasn't produced results as a coach. And it just so happens that he has a 10 year history of the police getting called to his home over DV. He shouldn't be an OSU coach because he has performed, and he shouldn't be an OSU coach because he is a poor representative of the brand and mentor to young men.

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btalbert25's picture

Love this post.  I'll tell you, it's amazing the stuff I see people spout off about on here, but when it comes to beating women the PC police come out and want use phrases like, "Let's wait and see" or "We don't know all the facts."

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Frimmel's picture

He better be darned careful with those answers or he'll find the outrage mob directed at him. And there are a few of the answers that could find us without a head coach by the end of the week particularly if they are some version of "Because he didn't do it." 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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OSU1978's picture

The court of UFM has spoken.  Next.

Go Bucks!

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Buckeye Jack's picture

So we've been informed.  I still want to hear Meyer speak the words.  

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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Buckeye Jack's picture

Big fan of the Fifth Amendment - Due Process

Zone6, with rotating WR's, will have 1000+ yards at all 3 WR positions this season

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Then let Smith's hot-shot lawyer take his case up in court. Wrongful termination? I'll wager it won't go far.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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avail31678's picture

Yep.  Remember our previous band director who was fired for less, IMO.  He tried to sue and the university had much deeper pockets.  

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BuckeyeBig2012's picture

And now someone can ask his ex-wife the following question: How much money do you get each month for alimony and child support when your ex-husband's salary goes from $340K to nothing? 

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I have a feeling Mr. Smith will land on his feet, find another coaching job, and continue to support his family. It just won't be in Columbus, Ohio.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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toad1204's picture

I’m sure he’ll do fine in the No Fun League

The offseason is the longest season.

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TheBadOwl's picture

Rethink this take. 

Read those police reports. Read up on domestic violence and its lasting effects on its victims – and how often it occurs, on average, before the victim finally leaves the relationship. 

Then, knowing more about how pervasive and horrible domestic violence is, re-read your comment and ask yourself why, with all of that money at stake, she would still go through with filing for this protection order. 

Finally, realize that your first instinct upon hearing about Smith being fired was to imply that she's either a dumb gold digger or that she's a bad parent for not keeping her abuser in her life (through shared custody of the children) because of the money she's giving up. Seriously?

Congratulations on having one of the worst takes I have ever seen online. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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mr.green's picture

She may have thought of that many times. Or never. You and i do not know.

But in my opinion no one should EVER keep quiet for financial reasons. If any other victims of DV are reading this i hope they do not let a situation continue because they think they need that money. Just get  to a shelter or family or friends. Just go. 

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BBQ_Fan's picture

The sad thing is that - perhaps - she stayed with him partly because his income provided a good life for her and her kids.  With all of the other emotional baggage and strain of DV situations, it's certainly possible that an abuser's high earnings makes leaving seem even more difficult.  But as someone else said here - just go. Life will work out.

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Lifetime45's picture

Or you could ask my father how he felt at 11 years old telling his father if he laid one more hand on his mother that he would kill him.

He would go from having an abusing asshole father to nothing.

Sometimes enough is enough. Its better to be from a broken home then be in one.

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collards's picture

Would that have been done, if Grandpa was still alive.

Collards

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Homey1970's picture

Idk.  Need to ask Smith if he would have tresspassed or broke the protective order if grandpa was still around.

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RBurgundy4's picture

There was no other ending. Truth is, he lasted longer than he should have, which never would have happened if he wasn't Earle's blood. This had to happen.   

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KBonay's picture

Damn, all that work I did on ZS gifs for all these wide receiver booms......

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toad1204's picture

Should make for some conversation starters in the PL

The offseason is the longest season.

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Chicago Connection's picture

It'll be interesting to see how Urban handles the press conference tomorrow. As someone with experience in these areas, I expect him to make a formal statement along the following lines and then take no further questions, except perhaps to comment on how he'll handle the receiving group going forward:

"I've known and worked with Zach Smith for years and he's been a good coach and colleague. None of our lives are perfect, and while I have been informed about some problems in the past, they've never risen to the current level of concern.

I can only say that I want what's best for him and his wife and his children, and I'll hold off on commenting on their personal situation, much less getting into any he-said-she-said dynamics. This is a difficult personal situation, and now it's a legal matter, and I simply don't have the information or expertise to add anything meaningful or helpful, so I'll ask you to refrain from any further questions with respect to the nature of his personal and legal situation. You would need to speak to Zach or his attorney about that.

Beyond that, Ohio State has a code of ethics and a reputation that goes with it, which we all need to live up to, whether coaches, players, teachers, students or members of the administration, and we're charged with abiding by that code and protecting that reputation, which obviously includes public perception.

To that end, I want to make it clear that nobody here is involved in a civil or criminal trial, and neither myself or Gene Smith or anybody else is presuming to play the role of judge or jury in terms of any personal or legal actions that have played out or will play out for Zach and his family. However, we fully appreciate that we are always being judged in the court of public opinion. It's part of our job description to preserve our good name, and because of the recent developments that you've all read about, we felt that it was best for the university, the team, and for Zach to part ways, which will allow all sides to focus on making the very best of an unhappy situation as soon as possible."

chicagobuckeye

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buckslan's picture

Had to be done. It sucks but this is going to affect recruiting in a big way. Players loved Coach Smith and he's been instrumental in recruiting good receivers and other players around the country from Virginia to Florida.

Have to think they'll promote Brian Hartline to an interim assistant role for the upcoming season and either retain him or find a WR coach after the season.

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My buck's picture

In hindsight, it's easy to be critical.  Shoot, Urban now... in hindsight, probably thinks he should have taken action sooner. But Zach had every opportunity to "right his ship",so to speak. And it appears Zach had a lot of people with his best interest in mind, and he failed those people. I think it was handled imperfectly, but nobody is perfect.  Not Urban, not The OSU, nobody.  Now let's wish Zach the best of luck and move on!!  Got football stuff to attend to in the morning. 

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

History repeats itself. Despite the way the 1987 season ended, Earle Bruce might have been able to survive it if not for the fact that his mentor Woody Hayes died earlier that year.

And now, the underwhelming Zach Smith ends up coaching exactly zero games at Ohio State following the death of his grandfather, Earle Bruce.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

That's a strange irony, Chuck.

Appreciate your perspective.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Let's hope thats where the irony ends and we dont lose to fucking Indiana.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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buckzilla1's picture

Now that's a fan there. IBLEED +1

Hey Cancer! This ass kicking is brought to you by the Guernsey county mafia. Give it Hell 84!

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Bill Mallory FTW!

No fate but what we make, Bleed.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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stxbuck's picture

Interesting statement-how so on the politics of Bruce's firing Did Woody still have enough pull-and inclination to use it-to save Bruce?

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GoBucksOSU's picture

Good riddance. Maybe now we can get someone who is a better person in addition to being a better coach.

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BlockO's picture

Per Twitter sources: Brian Hartline will in fact be interim wr coach

"faith seeking understanding” (fides quaerens intellectum)

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BluntedBrutus's picture

"Conversely, Urban Meyer and his players are an unstoppable army of football automatons that feel no emotion and win in any and every setting."

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osu992's picture

$10 says the the unreported rumors won't be unreported within the coming weeks.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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buckeyenut74's picture

Hasn’t Philly Brown been coaching at the college level? Maybe he gets a shot, who knows.  

And for the ones that wonder about Hartline. I thought it was reported his coaching the receivers had them running better routes? Maybe he will fill in nicely. Personally, I think if they didn’t do anything, it would have negatively affected recruiting, worse than firing him will. 

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GoBucks0477's picture

Unless it was more than what I know and am too lazy to research... wow, really?

Domestic indecent... is that code for abuse?  Or just another way to say the criminal trespassing?

He laid hands on her?  Bye bye, jerk. 

Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else.

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Bum juice's picture

Its like someone drew a line across my hart.

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shiloh's picture

IIRC Urban mentioned a couple years ago he didn't, as a rule, fire assistant coaches. Wonder if this was the 1st asst. coach he fired assuming it was his ultimate decision.
 

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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BiznessTime's picture

Yes it was, and only because he had no choice.

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Buckeyechuck5's picture

So where are all the mods that wanted to white out comments about Smith needing to go not even a couple days ago. Cmon guys.......let the people talk more.......

"Life is not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. THATS HOW WINNING IS DONE!!" - Rocky Ballboa

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

And just who was that Mod? I'd like to meet him.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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CALPOPPY's picture

So where are all the mods that wanted to white out comments about Smith needing to go not even a couple days ago. Cmon guys.......let the people talk more.......

First, the MODs did not "white out" your comments. The MODs would delete comments or change the text. But if the commentariat doesn't like a comment, then they will downvote it, and if it reaches a -10 net (UV/DV), then it gets greyed out.

Second, the reaction was fairly split a few days ago. Some people said get rid of Zach Smith while others said that was crazy. In general, the "hotter" the take, the more likely that it gets downvoted.

Memento mori

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40 Degrees North's picture

This is a sad situation folks. Relationships over, jobs lost, and individuals/families going through challenging times. This is not over too. 

I feel sorry for the Smith children. This is playing out in national media. I have been there when a family member does something stupid that makes the news. It’s not fun. I really feel bad for the kids. 

The Smiths already had a toxic situation now turn permanently toxic. There is no going back now. Dad is going to have to find new work and possibly mom too. They have to take care of themselves and their kids. As we have seen with this, these situations can turn nasty.

I don’t know where Zach goes from here. Over the weekend, I mentioned that a change of scenery might not be a bad thing given his situation. We will see. I know folks say we are a forgiving people, but I’m not so sure these days. 

The leadership of the football program and athletic department has some questions to answer given the prior history we found out today. 

There was some speculation over the weekend on Ozone that someone from college football circles might have dropped a dime on Zach. Given some of his past actions, on Twitter for example, I wouldn’t be surprised. I mean it was McMurphy, a national guy, who broke the story wide open. It is interesting the 2015 incident, which is public record, was never reported locally. Like it or not, it is newsworthy. 

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MaxMermelstein's picture

LOL. Nobody "dropped a dime" on Zach Smith, except for himself.

If he didn't go to his ex-wife's house and get charged with a crime, he still has a job.  The 2009 and 2015 incidents are moot.  No charges were ever filed and I doubt anyone would even care.

Now that he's actually being charged with something, the other stuff is relevant.  And all that combined sealed his fate.

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LoufromOSU's picture

FYI - 11W reported on the 2015 incident 7 hours before McMurphy did, yet it didn't stop Mr. McMurphy for trying to claim credit for ZS's firing all evening acting like he was first.  It was actually a pathetic display on twitter. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

Ahh! Das mob has won again, long live the net.

Sani

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brglr14's picture

never thought much of him as a coach. felt he was kept around like some legacy in honor of bruce. sound like hes a much worse person

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

This is the right move for Ohio State. There should be no place for an abuser in the Buckeye program. Besides that, he was never a great wide receiver coach, only a good recruiter. We can do without him. 

Also, this might be an unpopular take, but I think--keep in mind, I'm not recommending we fire Meyer--if this had happened to another program, say Saban's Bama, there'd be people here calling for Saban to get canned. 

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GIBS_STI's picture

It’s not unpopular I’ve seen this posted in several different ways. Perhaps Urban gave him a second chance regarding the incident in 2015, perhaps not. People bring up the Hyde incident frequently, but my question is— isn’t there a difference between how coaches are treated and players are treated? A player can be suspended recover and bounce back. A coach gets fired for an incident that seems to be recoverable (2015) seems a bit harsh to me (Second Chance) Urban probably handled the ‘15 incident in his own way. Just as he did with Hyde. Just my opinion. No offense intended toward anyone or any other opinion. 

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Facemeat2's picture

Guilty until proven innocent. Just like our forefathers envisioned it. Err... wait...

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bucknut1994's picture

Yeah, in the court of law. If you embarrass your employer continually while also underperforming then your ass will get fired. Capitalism, gotta love it.

#94Ways

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ladybuckeye's picture

Zone 6 is a very strong unit as far as leadership. Parris Campbell and Terry McLaurin returning captains. They have a very strong brotherhood bond and a large part of the group spend outside time together. I believe they will step up and carry this leadership into the season.

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bucknut1994's picture

Buckeye Jack had his wife sign up on 11w? 

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Jay Lawerence&#039;s Laugh's picture

Your all nuts...

judging by your avi’s

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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Brooksie's picture

Obviously there is more truth than fiction to this story...........

You hit your wife............

While she is pregnant no less...............

What the F**K did you expect was going to happen????

Grandpa Earle is rolling over in his grave.

Bucks Fan since 1970

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louts8wings's picture

If he hit her why was he not charged??

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Dillon G's picture

So, he is guilty?

#walkaway

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Dillon G's picture

I'll trust Meyer makes the right choice for the team and school first.

#walkaway

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

I agree he should have been gone a long time ago. You don’t preach to the players about how unacceptable this is and have a guy on your staff who can’t stop being stupid. What a horrible example. This makes Urban look really bad . He knew way back in Florida and still hired him at OSU. How did this guys pass a background check to get into OSU? This makes you wonder...

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CedarBuck92's picture

Well since no charges were pressed for the FL incident he did not have a record. The background check is in depth but its not like he was being hired to be the WH chief of staff. In that check if your 2nd cousin's wife's grandmother's uncle's kid stole a penny candy in 1807 you are disqualified for the position. and I'm only partially joking. 

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CincyBuck's picture

Eh...  I found the case in Gainesville within a matter of minutes.  It contains the details of the charge (DV against a pregnant woman) and verifies it was dismissed for insufficient evidence.  I agree background checks miss things all of the time.  But if you're hiring someone for a position with this prestige, one would think you'd at least search the court docket.

If OSU Athletics did a background check on him, and they didn't locate that case, they really, really dropped the ball.

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Go1Bucks's picture

Let us hope that eventually the truth of yhe matter truly supports the verdict of the social pressure court of opinion, since the courts of legality are obviously secondary by a society of supposedly just democratic principles.

Go Buckeyes!

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westcampus's picture

That was quite the operation they had down in Gainesville in the late 2000s. Must have been one of the most dangerous zip codes in the country. Also - this was some brilliant work exhibited by the crack reporters at the dispatch. Somebody get them a Pulitzer! 

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RunningFree's picture

Coaching skills aside, I'm just guessing all these downvotes are coming from people that like the idea of a domestic abuser being on staff.  But if staff stability is more important to you than keeping abusers accountable well, I guess that's your bed of shit to lie in.  I personally didn't pay attention enough to know he had all this trouble going on, but now I know I'm glad he's gone.

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stxbuck's picture

The DVs are coming from a-trolls, or B-pannicky fanboys who somehow think Urban's recruiting machine is going to suddenly blow a gasket. Remember how everyone thought LB recruiting was going to go down the toilet when bill Davis was hired? How's that logic looking now. 

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CowCat's picture

The writing was on the wall with this situation.

Given the 2012 sanctions against the football team for previous misconduct, Urban's written rules about treating women with respect, and an ongoing investigation for sexual misconduct by a doctor in the AD ... well, there you have it.

Abusing your wife, especially when she was pregnant, is unconscionable. Justice will be served. 

But in the bigger picture it will be the kids that will suffer the most. Zach Smith is now a diseased pariah that will have a very hard time finding a job.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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The Buckeye Bullet's picture

The bright side is now Urban can go out and get an NFL quality coach to come in and really make our WRs great.

Smith came off as a juvenile twitter troll along with questionable professionalism. 

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

Let’s see ....What questions will be thrown at Urban tomorrow? What did he know and when did he know it? At Florida, questions...what a mess.Urban deserves the heat. Let’s see how he handles it.Hope this will be over with soon. Please no investigative reports. Ugggggh!!!

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james allen's picture

I think his salary communicated that he has never been the most valued assistant.  Meyer's relationship with Earle Bruce kept him on the team despite Zach's historical pattern of domestic abuse allegations.  When Earle was gone, and the pattern persisted, there was no longer a reason to justify keeping him.

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0H-10's picture

The clause in his contract regarding the reputation of the University and Team is enough for this firing, IMO. There are reasons for not increasing an employee's pay, and I think we found out one of those reasons. Get through the s#itstorm of media the rest of the week, and find a stellar replacement and Zone 6 might soar.

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Trotwoodbuck's picture

This was an incredibly unfortunate turn of events, but once the details were in the public eye the outcome was inevitable.  No one person is bigger then the University. It doesn't matter who is upset, who leaves, who sues, who rethinks their recruitment of anything else.  You simply deal with the fallout and move on.

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lamplighter's picture

Very sad situation in every way.  No one wins here.

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CowCat's picture

I don't buy into the argument that "Smith was the lowest-paid assistant because of his allegations". He was the lowest-paid because he had little professional experience before joining the OSU staff. He was a quality-control coach and graduate assistant at Florida. He was given a chance to establish himself, but he was not established already. He didn't help himself by acting like a boastful teenager on Twitter -- So you were a part of 3 national titles, blah blah, but you were just along for the ride.

Everyone on 11W notices that the WR production hasn't been sufficient, given the talent we've recruited. Smith was likely on a short leash and this allegation was the final straw, given that The University is actively investigating the athletic department for prior misconduct in 14 sports. There's a 0% tolerance policy now.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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ChristianHaven's picture

Being new I read through everything because I was curious and interested in all the comments and takes of 11W members on this sad marital and employment situation.  Two stuck out with me:
Buckeye Jack insists on digging himself into a hole with disagreeable down-voted comments.
Bad Owl keeps repeating the same thought like a parrot, probably because she keeps getting up-votes.
I'll be really glad when we start talking football on here!
Good night.
 

Life starts all over again when it gets crisp in the fall. (F. Scott Fitzgerald)

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Sad situation for the Smith children.

Noon games suck

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GunnerBuck's picture

Him being fired bothers me because it was premature. We don’t know what happened. We don’t know if he hit her or etc. 

I understand being on a leave of absence until they know what happened/the whole thing is settled but nothing has even been investigated. 

We have a report of a almost 10 yesterday old “case” where no charges were pressed and that’s all we know. Then a new “incident” that’s extremely odd given the circumstances. 

If he did do these things then he needs to be charged  and prosecuted but if he didn’t this ruined his life because a vindictive woman decided to toy with him.  

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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osu992's picture

As they say, with the writing on the wall: it's a "Dunn and done" culture.

You can't hyde forever if the allegations are real.

New Day for OSU. Same noon for TTUN.

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Frimmel's picture

The culture is such that the allegations are enough. 

You've got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight. 

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CowCat's picture

Allegations are allegations. They are not convictions.

As I've said before, there is a 0% tolerance policy now for anything that puts the program and the university in a bad light. That is what happened.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Buck68's picture

Cowcat reminds us of the legal process relationship between allegations and convictions. 

Cowcat reminds us of tOSU FB policy.

Consider what "0% tolerance for anything that puts the program and the university in a bad light..." means...logically.  Note the grammatical subject in the subordinate clause:  "anything" and the verb "[that] puts".

Consider who is logically accountable for "happenings".

So...logically, "anything"... "puts"... into not light or dark, but the moral self-contradictory "a bad light",

So, what's our Situation about 400+ posts into this thread alone?  Here we are, blanketed in our own multi-layers of 'bad light' darknesses, shining ['darkly'] our little feeling lite on someone, judging with our feelings based on who knows what besides the usual speculations.

IMO Cowcat's post illustrates the power of basic [big picture] comparisons, and the double-secret chaotic consequences of Diversity Zero Tolerance.

Small wonder we keep 'piling on' and the ref's whistle of sanity is drowned in the tsunami's of dark lights whenever something that we so sadly and sincerely 'hope' 'never happens again'... happens without a cause.

Honesty & Integrity... is like Hope at the bottom of the Pandora's Box of Diversity.  Just another 4 letter word... or, if any person is willing... leads toward The Word... the light at the end of our self-made 'tunnel', made by us with the freedom & power of choice, we each have been giving from our beginning.

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

Wel IMO Zach has not always been professional in how he presents himself via Twitter. I feel that zone 6 has under performed based on ability.  I have no idea of the reality of the magnitude of the domestic violence allegations - relationships can get crazy and both sides can exaggerate the truth. Hopefully courts will sort out. 

Of all our coaches over the past 5 years  he’s been the one I would have been happy to part ways with at any time, so if he can’t behave himself I’m over it pretty quick. I do think that players loved him though and he meant something to them and for that relationship to be gone I’m sorry for the kids.

Hopefully the next coach will bring maturity and stability and skill. If Zach’s partner is lying hopefully she realizes thanks to her, his alimony checks are gonna be smaller now ;-) 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I'm assuming Urban gave Zach some slack because of his linage to Earle Bruce... However, after this incident - there is no way he could have remained on the staff.  

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jpfbucks01's picture

This incident along with the others around Strauss etc has given the university a pretty bad black eye in terms of how they seemingly "overlook" these issues.

I am glad he is gone and I was not nearly so critical of him as others, but this cannot be tolerated any longer by this university

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VanillaStache's picture

Good recruiter, terrible coach and even bigger douche.

Make sure to keep it "one hunnid" on that unemployment line. 

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louts8wings's picture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSZN4LsOdXU&feature=youtu.be

Interesting take by his lawyer. I kinda feel bad for Smith in this situation. The more that comes out about this, it just looks like he was married to a crazy lady. They said in the 2009 situation, it was based on her accusing him of cheating. She went nuts and went after him. He defended himself and restrained her from hitting him. She calls the cops and he gets arrested. The police investigate it and find there are no signs of abuse. No charges. 

The incident in May, he tries to drop his kid off and she asks him to come to her apartment. When he arrives she comes out and takes a picture. He leaves and shortly after that she calls the cops. I question if she is in fear of him hitting her or hurting her why ask him to your place or apartment. 

Personally, after watching Urban in today's press conference you can tell he did not agree with this. His hand was forced in the situation and this came from higher up the chain. Unfortunately for Smith, he's out of a job and his kids are smack in middle of an ugly situation. 

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CincyBuck's picture

The incident in May, he tries to drop his kid off and she asks him to come to her apartment. When he arrives she comes out and takes a picture. He leaves and shortly after that she calls the cops. I question if she is in fear of him hitting her or hurting her why ask him to your place or apartment.

If Smith's account of the most recent incident is true, don't you think he'd have text messages to prove so?  I find it hard to believe a guy in his mid-30s, who is basically Mr. Twitter, and who is talking to an ex-wife that's (allegedly) bat-shit crazy and willing to fabricate stories, wouldn't have conducted at least some of this conversation via text message.  I find it equally hard to believe that, if he had texts that supported his side of the story, he wouldn't release them nearly immediately once the events began to take a heaping dump on his reputation, his job status became in jeopardy, etc.

I just find it all very, very, very hard to believe that it's all smoke and no fire (i.e., that Smith is an upstanding fellow that happens to be a victim of a crazy and vexatious ex-wife).  And even if he's innocent of all allegations (unlikely), he is a Grade-A dipshit.  Maybe he deserved to lose his job either way. 

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